Oldham's Jose Baxter on drugs ban, depression and hitting 'rock bottom'

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Jose Baxter became the youngest first-team player in Everton history when he made his debut in 2008, aged 16 years and 191 days. The Merseyside-born attacking midfielder, who had been with the club since the age of six, looked set for a great future.

But he made only 15 appearances in four years, before leaving under a cloud, having been arrested on drugs offence, he acknowledged poor off-field decisions as a factor.

In 2012, Baxter joined Oldham – then in League One – where he stayed for two seasons, before signing for Sheffield United. It was while at Bramall Lane that things started to spiral out of control. He received two suspensions in nine months for drug use, after taking ecstasy and cocaine.

Baxter was released by Sheffield United in May 2016, but an unexpected call from Everton chairman Bill Kenwright offered him a chance to turn his life around as he served out his ban – and resulted in the club giving him a short-term contract to play for the Under-23s last season.

The BBC are featuring Baxter's interview with Juliette Ferrington, on Football Focus on Saturday at 12:00 GMT.

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Ian Jones
1 Posted 01/03/2019 at 12:24:35
This is a good article on the BBC website re Jose Baxter – I think it might be of interest...
Paul Cherrington
2 Posted 01/03/2019 at 12:38:19
A very good read. Interesting to see how much Bill Kenwright helped him out and how warmly he speaks of him. Maybe Kenwright is not quite the ogre many fans would have us believe...
Jay Wood

3 Posted 01/03/2019 at 12:39:20
I know it is anathema to some to offer any sort of praise to Bill Kenwright – and heaven knows I have been scathing of the man himself on these pages – but Baxter credits him with saving his career, possibly his life even.

I also know some take a very cynical view on many topics Baxter's story shares: the 'old boys' network at Finch Farm and Goodison; academy kids too flush with money and not dedicated enough to the game; EitC and all their good work; our current CEO, Denise Barrett-Baxendale.

I'm sure if anyone cares to read it, it will provoke different reactions, but it is a good read.

My own personal takeaway from the story is, given Baxter's tale and George Green's story, I hope Brands and others are improving the pastoral care and support of the boys under their charge to do as much as they can to save them from falling into the same trap as these Baxter and Green evidently did.

Terry White
4 Posted 01/03/2019 at 17:10:18
This should be mandatory reading for those who vilify Bill Kenwright, the man.
Ray Roche
5 Posted 01/03/2019 at 17:30:52
Fair play to Kenwright. Whatever you think of him he seems to have a heart.
Brian Murray
6 Posted 01/03/2019 at 18:07:27

Kenwright's humanitarian side has never been in question – it's his ability as Chairman of Everton Football Club that has let him down time and time again. Totally inept... yet fatally our new owner can't see it.

Terry White
7 Posted 01/03/2019 at 19:18:00
Brian (#6), what you say about Bill Kenwright's abilities as a Chairman may be true but it is the personal attacks that are made against him on this site that are totally uncalled for.
Dave Abrahams
8 Posted 01/03/2019 at 19:20:34
Terry (#7)... "May be true"???
Tony Abrahams
9 Posted 01/03/2019 at 19:40:40
I think that Kenwright has done alright by Jose Baxter but has been very wrong for Everton FC.

I think he's begged, stolen and borrowed, lied through his back teeth, especially with regards money being ring-fenced, and has helped turn an English giant into a plucky little football club, who haven't won a thing during his very long overdue stay, and I personally don't think he's always had the best interests of the club at heart.

Maybe you're right, though, Terry, but only if you think that personal attacks are uncalled for on anyone?

Dave Williams
10 Posted 01/03/2019 at 19:52:42
Dave and Tony, you are always very reasonable guys – give a bit of credit where it's due! If you detest him like you say, then fair play... but he is clearly doing something right too.
John G Davies
11 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:02:38
Something that doesn't involve spending a nicker Dave.
He's expert at that.
Dave Abrahams
12 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:05:11
Dave (10) fair enough Kenwright, through Everton, has got Jose back on track. If he paid Jose's wages when he was given the 12-month contract, I'll give him a further pat on the back.

My objection was to Terry White, he doesn't like the personal attacks on Kenwright but in a previous post he wanted Kenwright's good deed to be “mandatory reading for those who vilify Kenwright the man”.

In other words, praise his good deeds but brush the other side under the carpet.

Dave Brierley
13 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:10:51
Dave #8 and Tony #9, A bit sad. Even when there's positive stuff on Bill Kenwright, you put the boot in. I thought you were both better than that.

Kenwright has done some good, some bad. He's not the root of all our problems. A bit like of all of us, he gets things wrong sometimes, as I'm sure do both of you.

John G Davies
14 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:16:19
Dave 13,

"Kenwright has done some good"

What do you think he has done good?

Dave Brierley
15 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:21:57
Saint John. I'm not a Bill Kenwright fan but it's not all bad.

Dave Abrahams
16 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:28:18
Dave (13) see my post at (12), might explain my position.
John G Davies
17 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:29:40
Roger Hunt.

I'm not a Bk fan, I consider its mostly bad.
I can't think of anything positive he has contributed

Martin Mason
18 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:36:49
Tony @9, Surely they are? Once you make a personal attack, you have lost.

Dave @12, what is the other side of Bill Kenwright? Surely he is what he is?

I would agree that he isn't the answer to Everton's current problems but that doesn't mean that he isn't a good person who has done nothing but his best under difficult conditions, including nearly going under as a club.

Dave Abrahams
19 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:48:50
Martin (18), good for you defending our chairman, carry on defending him, that’s fine by me.

Martin, by the way,if you think Kenwright has done his very best for Everton FC then I wouldn’t like to see the outcome if he stopped trying.

Don Alexander
20 Posted 01/03/2019 at 20:57:22
Just as I wouldn't lay too much blame at Kenwright's door for Baxter's destruction of his own career (even though he was an 8 year-old schoolboy Everton player when Kenwright took the reins) I'm reluctant to give him credit for, ahem, "saving his life".

The fact is that Kenwright re-signed one useless footballer in Baxter aged 25 and then gave him a one-year contract in which he contributed zilch to the first team, again. Can anyone name any of the top six, or any other Premier League club, who would do such a thing? It's simply not professional.

We need to stop re-signing ex-players who "get" Everton for roles at Finch Farm (overlooking the apparent fact that Baxter is a red-nose). It weakens the club, promotes complacency and gets us, the club, nowhere.

Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 01/03/2019 at 21:08:51
Dave@13, are you being serious mate? If you read my first line I said Kenwright has done alright by Jose.

He done brilliantly with regards Bradley Lowery, and his family, but he’s ran Everton into the ground.

Dave, I would love you to tell me which part of my post@9, which isn’t the truth, and only when you do, will you be able to say I’m a bit sad, because nobody should be chastised for telling the truth, unless they like telling tales of course.

Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 01/03/2019 at 21:11:15
Same to you, Martin, how can it be a personal attack, when it's the truth?
Tony Hill
23 Posted 01/03/2019 at 21:29:57
Bill Kenwright has done extremely well out of this club. He is, above all, incurably sentimental except in the matter of his bank account. He cannot let go, and he should have done long ago.

Good mates with Philip Green, as well as Jose Baxter.

Mike Gaynes
24 Posted 01/03/2019 at 21:44:16
Don @#20, what a shitty post that is.

By all accounts, Baxter is no longer a "red nose" (a pissy, judgmental term for it if I ever heard one), but has overcome his addiction and straightened out his life, which takes considerable fortitude. And he has re-earned a place in professional football. Credit from you? Zero.

Baxter says Bill saved his life, but you think he's lying. (Complete with the sarcastic "ahem".) So he's a "red nose" and a liar? And he's also "useless" because he never made it to the first team? Lovely. Slag the kid because you despise Kenwright.

And reaching out to save one of our own and give him a second chance is "unprofessional" and hurts the club? Bullshit. You ain't "the club", Skippy. Your attitude is about as un-Everton as anything I've ever read here.

When I make my next trek across the pond to Goodison, you're at the top of the list of TWers I have no interest in meeting.

Stephen Meighan
25 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:04:26
Bill Kenwright, for fuck's sake he has been running this club for the last 25-30 years as a benevolent fund for his mates and hangers-on — that's why we've fallen so far behind the Sky darlings.

Why should Everton Football Club be bailing out the likes of Jose Baxter??? He's had his chance and blew it. I know some on here will say I'm being cruel or hard but you get a chance to play for Everton and you blow it... well, that's your choice.

I'm sick to the back teeth of Kenwright and all his fucken antics. Ferguson, Jeffers, Embrell, Denise Barrett-Baxendale... just do one, Bill.

Andy Crooks
26 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:11:49
This thread means a lot to me because I have to confess I was a rednose. I spent seven months in a secure rehab. Robbed my family and friends, lied, thieved, broke promises, broke the law and justified every fucking bit of it. I survived because I got help from good people who didn't judge.

The horrible hell, which I inflicted on myself and my family, ended in 1990. Every day since has, in the words of Raymond Carver, been "gravy". I bow to no-one in my disdain for blue Bill... but respect to him for this. It is never black and white.

Karl Masters
27 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:19:04
It’s a sad state of affairs reading many of these comments.

Even sadder, is that ToffeeWeb seems to have become a site populated almost entirely by cynical, grizzly, mealy mouthed men in their 50’s and 60’s who have become so disillusioned with all things Everton they just slag everything and everyone.

Depressing reading, fellas.

Brent Stephens
28 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:22:03
As I understand it, Baxter turned his life around, and people at our club helped him.

We all blow our chances. Anybody on here never made a mistake? If so, move over, god.

And if we acknowledge our mistakes and try to move on, would we all not want a second chance? So why would we deny others a second chance, in a holier-than-thou attitude?

Brent Stephens
29 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:25:22
Andy #26 respect, mate.
Tony Hill
30 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:26:22
Nice one Andy @26, that sort of post is what makes ToffeeWeb special. Also because you like Raymond Carver. Late Fragment is a special joy too.

Karl @ 28, some truth in that but not, I think, in "mealy-mouthed". Age and cynicism have their place too amid the modern festival of sentimental self-indulgence and reflex optimism.

Brian Williams
31 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:32:46
Andy #26.

Forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick here but I think the "rednose" that Andy @20 refers to meant "Kopite".

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 01/03/2019 at 22:57:22
Andy #26, well and bravely said. I salute you, my friend.

Brian #32, on this side of the world, it's an old term for a coke addict, based on the fact that snorting cocaine produces nosebleeds. And given that Baxter joined Everton at age 6, I seriously doubt the term was used here as a reference to his footy allegiance.

Tony Hill
33 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:06:47
Stephen @33, no. But I like Jonjoe Kenny too. I also share your view of Red Shite bastards, on the whole.
Neil Copeland
34 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:07:57
Sorry if I have misunderstood the term but my brother is a recovering red nose (alcoholic?). Long story and I won’t bore you all with details but I shared a park home with him for 2 months then he came to live me for a further 3 months (I was going through my divorce at the time so helping him meant I was also helping myself to come to terms with my own situation). I realised over time that his was by far the more difficult problem to deal with what is a very deep illness to overcome.

So; Andy #26, I have a little understanding of what you must have gone through and how difficult it is to recognise for yourself the problem that you had. Full respect mate.

Brian Williams
35 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:18:59
Mike #34,

Thanks for clearing that up.... I think. I still believe though, after reading the post again, that Andy #20 meant RS fan as it was something that's been mentioned in the past quite often.

Andy Crooks, the man you described sounds like a nightmare... and bears no resemblance to the genuine, sincere fella I met in the Midland! 👍

Neil Copeland
36 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:22:19
Looks like I have the wrong end of stick, hope I have not caused any offence.

Andy Crooks
38 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:48:55
Brian, I should clear this up, and, frankly it makes me feel ashamed. When I said 'red nose' I was referring to cocaine addiction. Now, I could make a cheap joke and say it's better than being a red but it is kind of too serious.

I very much appreciate your nice comments. That night in the Midland was something special and I hope we will do it again.

I hovered over the 'Submit' button for a while before I submitted my post because, when you make private stuff public, it is a big deal. I did it because I just get it with Jose. It doesn't matter how much money you have.

Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 01/03/2019 at 23:57:51
Andy and Brian, that was a special night, wasn't it? I will cherish the memory.

Like I said, Andy, that post was an act of bravery. Even though it's almost 30 years ago, it's a part of you, and your willingness to share it speaks volumes of your character.

Neil, no worries, and no offense. I have heard the term used in your chosen context as well.

Don Alexander
40 Posted 02/03/2019 at 00:11:00
Mike Gaynes #24 (and any others, and chiefly Andy Crooks who I applaud for his candour), the term "red-nose" to me has no other significance than to describe a Liverpool fan. Baxter is allegedly a Kopite. I've never even heard it being used in the context of drug usage.

Sorry if my apparent naivety caused any of you any offence.

Neil Copeland
41 Posted 02/03/2019 at 00:19:09
Mike, thanks.

Off topic, I know, but the ref in Cardiff game awarded a foul throw to Everton because the Cardiff player raised one foot.

Faith restored and Mike; you were spot on in the thread when foul throws were briefly discussed.

Don Alexander
42 Posted 02/03/2019 at 00:27:14
But, Mike Gaynes, I'm perversely confident my life as a "blue-nose" will continue despite being excluded from your retinue when and if you visit Goodison Park or Bramley-Moore Dock again. Enjoy it when you do though. No hard feelings.
Bob Parrington
43 Posted 02/03/2019 at 06:20:45
Mmmm?? This has been getting quite deep. Andy - Well done for getting back on track. Can't be easy!

But, on this subject aren't we confusing 2 separate things

1. Bill Kenwright clearly has a good heart, as shown with his treatment of Jose Baxter.

2. Bill Kenwright has not been good for Everton FC. I believe most Blues fans would believe this.

However, it is probably the timing of the whole Kenwright take-over that has been the problem... Just when the whole English game was thrown into the "money pot" era. Money, Money, Money and Billy Boy didn't have enough of it but, once in, he didn't want to give up. Personally, I reckon it has been a case of "Good Guy – Lousy Timing!"

Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 02/03/2019 at 08:16:20
Nothing to be ashamed of, Andy, pulling yourself out of that great big fuckin hole must have been hard enough, but the fact that you can talk about it, shows that you won the biggest fight of your life, and you will hopefully be a big help and inspiration to others no doubt, because of your very frank, and open nature mate.

That ticket still stands if you can get over, Andy, but the mood of the club rests on Sunday, so hopefully it's going to change for the better, but only if the players can find what you found, Andy, loads of determination and fight!

Dermot Byrne
45 Posted 02/03/2019 at 08:32:44
Nothing worse for some on here than a tale that challenges their simplistic caricature of Bill Kenwright. Some need to grow up and see life as the endless shades of grey it is rather than the black and white they feel comfortable with. That begrudging "Yeah it's nice but" is pitiful.
Peter Mills
46 Posted 02/03/2019 at 09:01:22
Well done to Jose Baxter. And well done to Andy Crooks.
Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 02/03/2019 at 09:05:28
Well done, Andy, you have done yourself proud and continue to do so, every single day since you turned your life around and started living again after making that escape from the terrible place you obviously were in. I hope you can take up Tony's offer of that ticket for the Man Utd game, it will be a pleasure to hand you the ticket and hopefully have a drink or two with you after the game.

God bless and good luck to you and your family in the future.

Paul Tran
48 Posted 02/03/2019 at 09:06:03
Andy Crooks, I always like reading your posts and I respect you even more after reading your post. Thanks for sharing.

A great human story about Jose Baxter. It's perfectly possible to praise Kenwright for this, while criticising his business acumen and stewardship of the club.

The problem here is that to some degree, we have made plucky little Everton, does wonderful things for the community our MO. It's becoming an overdone strength. It's very laudable, but I am longing for the club to become a more ruthless, success-driven business, as I think the absence of that culture off the pitch affects what happens on it.

That aside, this is a great human story that's deserving of credit.

Ray Roche
49 Posted 02/03/2019 at 09:21:51
Kenwright has not been good for Everton as a Chairman, tasked with the job of taking us forward. That is a fact. But that shouldn't deflect from the humanitarian side of his nature. If Baxter can open up and claim that Kenwright, in effect, "Saved his life" then that is Baxter's take on the matter, no-one else's. And no one on here can dispute that with any accuracy.

Let's look at the Baxter "invitation" to rejoin EFC at Finch Farm. It was a great gesture from Kenwright, no question. The fact that "Kenwright re-signed one useless footballer in Baxter aged 25 and then gave him a one-year contract in which he contributed zilch to the first team," as Don puts it, may well have masked the role Baxter had been given. Maybe he was there as an example to our younger players of the pitfalls of young man, too much money. "Look what happened to me".... imagine if Billy Kenny a couple of decades ago had had someone like Baxter in his ear, pointing out where he'd end up if he continued hoovering up illegal substances?

Okay, that is purely conjecture, but no one on here knows for certain if that was Baxter's role or not. I can well imagine the plight of Baxter being referred to at Finch Farm. And the fact that Kenwright's generous gesture has helped someone in life should not be denigrated to the extent that some people do. Not always easy, but try and see past Kenwright the Chairman.

And Don, bit pathetic to call Baxter out as an RS when he was with us from the age of 6. Peter Reid was an RS as well. He did okay for us, didn't he? Yet look at the Bluenose turncoats who delighted into sticking it up us, Rush, Owen, Fowler etc.

Andy, fair play to you for opening up on your problems. Must have taken some courage.

John G Davies
50 Posted 02/03/2019 at 09:34:36
Well done to Jose or any other young men and women with the guts to straighten themselves out. Always nice to hear a story like this.

Andy, a while ago on ToffeeWeb you asked me to stop doing something as it was annoying you. I stopped and said at the time I would because you seemed like a decent lad.

Your post confirms my thoughts and more. Takes a lot of courage to open yourself up like that. All the best.

Andy Crooks
51 Posted 02/03/2019 at 17:02:41
Tony, many thanks for your very kind offer. I am going to check out flights and hotels and hope to be there.

Also, many thanks to you and others for your very generous comments. Don, you have not a thing to apologize for. I have been in agreement with you very often.

I'm just in from work so I haven't checked out the match thread. I would do a pact with the devil to win this one.

Don Alexander
52 Posted 02/03/2019 at 17:07:13
Andy, thank you.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
53 Posted 02/03/2019 at 20:01:07
What good things did Kenwright do?

1. Get rid of Agent Johnson

2. Appoint David Moyes as manager when we were perennial relegation candidates.

3. Find Moshiri

4. Help Jose Baxter

5. Survive the Boys Pen (I never knew it was that bad!)

You problems with BK can be summed up in two statements

1. He didn't have the money of the Glazers, the Sheiks, Abramhovic, Stan Kronke, John Henry and Daniel Levy, and he was reluctant to let others take over in case they made us money-orientated obnoxious clubs. If only he could have persuaded any them to buy us, we would have been fine with any one of the above... wouldn't we?

2. He didn't find the alternative to those above quick enough and, when he did, he still didn't have the money of the Glazers, the Sheiks, Abramhovic, Stan Kronke, John Henry and Daniel Levy.

Dave Brierley
54 Posted 02/03/2019 at 20:11:13
Lots of truth in that, Phil.

Bill Kenwright could irritate the life out of most of us with his luvvie mannerisms and delivery but, although his business decisions have often been poor, I believe his heart is in the right place and none of us could doubt his credentials as a True Blue.

Full respect Andy.

Tony Abrahams
55 Posted 03/03/2019 at 10:12:58
His business decisions have often been poor. Do you mean for himself, or with regards to our club Dave?

I personally think he’s made some great business decisions for the benefit of himself, but can’t think of many that have helped Everton FC, along the way though.

For that reason alone, how can his heart have really been in the right place?

Trevor Powell
56 Posted 03/03/2019 at 11:18:55
Irrespective of individual views on Kenwright, the article was about Jose Baxter and yet, within a couple of posts, it has turned into a Kenwright thread. It seems that any article mentioning Kenwright risks going off at a tangent with the focus on Kenwright's weaknesses.

I often feel that, if we won the FA Cup and the photo of the winning goal had Kenwright in the background stand, the debate on here would be about how we could have won it in 2009 if he had not been chairman, bugger the celebration of winning a trophy. It seems that any topic can be turned to vilify Bill Kenwright.

I am not a Kenwright fan but I am less a fan of this constant carping! Am I right in thinking that Pickford's blunder at Anfield was caused by Kenwright's advice on glove colour in one of his west end theatre productions. Some posters here are just looking for any old stick to beat him with. It's boring, boring, boring and takes away from other themes!

Dave Williams
57 Posted 03/03/2019 at 12:32:55
Never met you but well done, Andy Crooks, and total respect! That takes a lot of guts and determination to do what you did and hopefully life is good for you.
Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 03/03/2019 at 13:33:54
Great point, Trevor, because the Everton years under Kenwright have probably been the most boring in our long history.
John G Davies
60 Posted 03/03/2019 at 14:42:29

Read the top of the page again. The fact Kenwright is mentioned invites comment on him. No?

Trevor Powell
61 Posted 03/03/2019 at 15:48:22
Yes, it might invite comment about his interaction with Baxter but not the repetitive diatribe about his perceived failures as a chairman. The apparent desire on this website forum is to denigrate BK on every possible occasion ad infinitum.
John G Davies
63 Posted 03/03/2019 at 19:24:31
Any idea why Trevor?
Andy Crooks
64 Posted 03/03/2019 at 20:35:14
Tony, I can get flights and hotel. I would hope to come over on Sunday morning and return on Monday. You have no idea how much I appreciate your generosity.

If anyone wants a beer after the match, Brian, Dave, Peter, Rob, John, Dave. Darren Hind, Tony Marsh John G, Don, Paul, Dave Wilson, yes Dave Wilson and many others. I have saved up enough money to buy a pint for all of you. Steve Ferns, there will be a large brandy for you.

Just checked my bank statement. A cup of tea for every ToffeeWeber.

Dave Brierley
65 Posted 03/03/2019 at 20:52:14
Tony. Both I would think.

Have another look at Phil's points 53.

Kenwright put his money where his mouth was. Did You?

Tony Abrahams
67 Posted 03/03/2019 at 21:24:35
That's sound Andy, I hope we can beat the team, you love to hate the most mate!

I've looked at Trevor's points, Dave, and the only one I'd give Kenwright real credit for is surviving in the Boys Pen!

BK, put his money were his mouth was? Have you got real proof of that Dave?

I remember when Kenwright was “hocking Everton” and I picked up the echo one day to front page headlines saying, “I will buy Everton a striker with my own money”

It never happened, but it didn't half make great headlines, which is what it was all about, I'm sure.

Trevor Powell
68 Posted 03/03/2019 at 21:25:11
There seems to be an assumption that I am a BK supporter. At no point did I try to defend his management/chairmanship of the club. What I was saying was that that argument's ship has sailed. BK is old news, the focus should be on whether Moshiri is steering the club effectively.

Constantly foaming at the mouth about BK's record is as about as useful as moaning about the Mike Walker and Walter Smith, it's no longer relevant. Hold Moshiri to account and dwell on the here and now and the future.

Who appointed Silva? Moshiri did based on his view of his performance with Olympiakos at Arsenal, unless of course was that at that game!
Peter Mills
69 Posted 04/03/2019 at 09:23:47
Keep us posted on your plans, Andy. Best wishes.
Jim Potter
70 Posted 04/03/2019 at 12:01:06
To me, this kind of gesture by Everton, and in this case Bill Kenwright, speaks volumes on us as a football club. It makes me feel proud. If we can spend zillions on sub par players, then we spend a bit to help one of our own get his life back on track.

There was a great article in the NY Times over the weekend on what we do in the community. It just re-inforces my pride at being a blue.

Not a lot to cheer on the field. Tons to cheer off it.

John G Davies
71 Posted 04/03/2019 at 13:02:55
"Constantly foaming at the mouth about BK's record is as about as useful as moaning about the Mike Walker and Walter Smith."

The difference being, Trevor, both Walker and Smith are no longer at the club.

Andy Crooks
72 Posted 04/03/2019 at 19:55:54
Tony, I have booked flights and hotel. Coming over Sunday morning and going back Monday morning. Many thanks for your kindness.
Brian Williams
73 Posted 04/03/2019 at 20:10:13
I'm up for a bevvy after the game, Andy. Be good to see you again, mate!
Tony Abrahams
74 Posted 04/03/2019 at 20:13:20
That's good news, Andy, I will get Dave to give you the ticket, although I might be able to give you it myself, now that the game has been put back to the Sunday.

I was laughing at the “cheerio story” you told me, and hope we can help you get your own back against Man Utd, which is what I'm definitely going to be hoping for now, mate!

Jay Harris
75 Posted 04/03/2019 at 20:48:11
It is very easy to be magnanimous with other people's money.

If Kenwright wants to contribute to the community, let him put some of the millions he has made out of Everton without putting a penny of his own money in.

I have no doubt he cares about Everton but he cares about himself more.

I cannot forget that we lost Kings Dock through him lying through his teeth and refusing to stand down as chairman when Paul Gregg offered to fund it.

I cannot forget his lies to the supporters when he said Goodison would fail its next safety certificate in an effort to get support for him and his moneymaking cronies for Destination Kirkby.

I cannot forget his lies about remortgaging his house to "save" Everton or about him being in the Boys Pen.

The man is an incompetent serial liar who has overseen the worst period in Everton's history while making himself a fortune and not putting a single penny into the club.

So please can we stop canonising him for something most people with a heart would do – especially if it involved using someone else's money.

Terry White
76 Posted 06/03/2019 at 04:38:55
Jay (#75), where is your evidence that BK did not remortgage his house and did not watch the games from the Boys Pen?
Peter Fearon
77 Posted 10/03/2019 at 02:44:31
Of course this thread got off on the old meaningless tangent. I am happy for Jose. Few people get a second chance. Even fewer take one.
Alan J Thompson
78 Posted 27/03/2019 at 13:45:16
Phil(#53); Not to mention what sort of a pitch we would have been playing on if he hadn't have bought those super duper new lawn mowers.
Jay Harris
79 Posted 27/03/2019 at 15:53:31
It has been well documented over the years. Also his house was only worth 1 million at the time.

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