What is Moshiri thinking?

Steve Ferns 26/11/2019 136comments  |  Jump to last
It seems so many cannot understand why we might be keeping hold of Marco Silva. Maybe, as someone who still backs Silva, I can give you an insight into what Moshiri might be thinking.

Sure, I don't actually know what Moshiri is thinking, but I may have more of an idea than you guys who want rid, because it seems certain that Moshiri still has faith in Silva, as I still have faith in Silva, so there may be some parallels.

1. Money - Moshiri has invested heavily in Silva and in Koeman and even spent on Allardyce and he does not want to invest in anyone else as investing means him spending his own money; as a successful businessman, you know sometimes you need to not throw good money after bad.

2. Statistics - Everton perform well on the various metrics. We are top 6 for most of the attacking ones, which bore most of you so I won't bang on about chances created, expect goals (NIP) and all of that, but we are top 6 for most of them. We are also 2nd for preventing chances against, and top 4 for expected goals against. Everton employ analysts, and no this is not because Silva is a "laptop manager", quite the opposite. Moyes and Allardyce were the ones obsessed with Prozone and running stats. The analysts will be telling Brands and Moshiri that there is not a lot wrong on the metrics. Over the course of the season, either the metrics deteriorate or the team improves, as not many teams differ as much from the metrics as we do right now, certainly not by the end of the season.

3. Finch Farm - I think you will find that the various staff around Finch Farm will tell you that Silva's coaching is very good. That he is hardworking and spends long periods of time at the training facility. He is also said to be friendly and approachable. Which will mean that some of those consulted about Silva who work at Finch Farm but do not form part of his inner circle will argue in favour of him. Brands is unlikely to find that there is much more that can be done on the training ground.

4. Putting things right - Silva has given up on zonal marking. He accepted that one of his core beliefs was not working and he made a significant change and that appears to have had an effect. There is other issues that are fixable, such as preventing players making individual mistakes that have led to goals that led to losses. For example, we have lost a lot of games where we were the team who had the better of the game up until conceding and were effectively hit with a sucker punch. That can be fixed by addressing the issues leading to the goals in training, altering the level of the defensive line (ie, how high we are up the pitch), by signing a better player in January.

5. VAR - This has cost us this season and we may argue about the points lost, but I think most will agree with me, on this at least, that 3 extra points (at least) would have had us in a slightly better position a few games ago and so the pressure would have been less, and if the pressure was not as bad, maybe the players would have been more relaxed and so performed better.

6. The squad - Silva has said he did not want to sell Gueye, he wanted to sign Zouma, and he wanted a left-footed forward, and he wanted a centre-forward. Brands signed Gbamin and we all know what happened there. Silva can argue that he has been short-changed that he has at least two massive holes in the side (Zouma and Gueye) and that this squad is weaker than last seasons, not better.

7. The players - Silva wants us to play a fast game of football. The players have come out on the pitch and seem to be "too scared to play football" as he put it. This is common in teams struggling. We saw it before Martinez got sacked, before Koeman got sacked, and we are seeing it again. The players take easy options instead of making things happen, or just hoof it down the pitch in desperation. Players stand still and stop moving. They appear to mark themselves out of the game. This is a good reason to relieve the manager of his duties, and why I accepted Martinez needed to go and, if there is another game like that (ie, Norwich), then I would accept Silva would need to go. But ultimately, the players are not going out and doing what they have been coached to do. Which goes back to 6, that we need better players, ones with better mentality, as some of these players go back to Martinez and are doing what they did under 4 different managers and you wonder how a 5th manager could get a different result from them.

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I'm not seeking to persuade anyone to back Silva. We've all made our minds up where we stand at the moment. And we should really only change it based on what we see on the pitch. I said I would not sack Silva even if he lost the next 5 games. I thought that scenario very far-fetched but, if it did, happen I thought we would be close to winning and against Norwich it was pathetic. And I will agree 100% that this was down to Marco Silva, and that this game did shake my belief in him.

Why Norwich made me doubt him is that the team he put out was not a Marco Silva side, the way we played and tried to play was not the way Marco Silva played at other clubs when he was doing well. It did not fit in with what he says.

If I was on the board, I would be thinking that there is probably no way back from here. If all of you backed Silva, then maybe so, but once you lost the crowd, it's so very hard to turn it around. The only way is to do it away from home. So, this is why I think he is getting Leicester at least. If Silva is able to beat Leicester then beat Liverpool, he might not restore all faith in him, but he would climb the table considerably, and by the time we play Chelsea, the crowd would be with the team (rather than him) and if we did not go behind, then I think he can claw his way back. Fanciful for sure, but that's the only way I can see him keeping his job longer term.

So, I would hope that Brands is actively lining someone up, and someone better than the names mentioned (ie, Moyes, Hughes, etc), because it is important that we get any future appointment right.

I hope the above helps some of you understand why some of us still think Silva should not be sacked, and I would expect Farad Moshiri is unlikely to disagree with much of that.

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Robert Dunleavy
1 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:25:18
What a load of nonsense. Anyone taking the time to go into that much depth to try and defend Marco after the way this team have performed in recent weeks is bewildered. lost for words at that I am really am.
Simon Dalzell
2 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:30:53
I've resisted for years, but your completely deluded Mr Ferns.
Tony Hill
3 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:38:56
I think you're a bit all over the shop, Steve, but so is everyone at the moment. I agree that the absence of any obvious or attainable candidate is a problem but then we are not paid to provide solutions.

If he wins at Leicester and at the RS then I would be ecstatic. You'll have to forgive my doubts on that front.

Steve Ferns
4 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:41:28
What's all over the shop Tony? That I think he should carry on but the reality is his days are probably numbered? That's why if I was Moshiri I would be getting him to get a quality candidate lined up until it reaches the point of no return (although I accept that this point is long gone for most of you).
Jamie Evans
5 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:51:49
Steve F, I love your passion mate and I love your knowledge, honestly I do.

However, it’s time to turn it in now.

Please.

Paul Jones
6 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:55:18
Nah Steve - you lost me at point 1. And I lost the will to go through the rest.

If you don't throw good money after bad you don't stick with a serial loser. And you will never back them in a transfer window.

I thought your silence after Saturday was a time for reflection. Your first posts after that seemed to be a considered departure from your misplaced faith in Silva. But now you're back to your old self. It seems like you will never shift from that standpoint now, and while I respect your loyalty to this charlatan I will never respect the damage he is doing to this club so I have to say you're wrong. He is wrong. The board are wrong for their inaction. And that's why we're completely f**ked here.

Brent Stephens
7 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:57:04
Robert, I think a polite, detailed, reasoned post deserves more than a response which is nothing more than insulting ("nonsense") and devoid of counter-argument. I would question Steve's post for the following reasons...

"1. MONEY. sometimes you need to not throw good money after bad". But arguably that is what we're doing in keeping Silva. And arguably another manager would be good money after good (come on, Stephens, so who would you replace him with?!).

"2. STATISTICS". I don't have an argument against the use of metrics except to say that I'm not sure of their validity - a weak response from me - we are where we are in the league and in the qaulity of our performances.

"3. FINCH FARM. hardworking and spends long periods of time at the training facility. He is also said to be friendly and approachable... Brands is unlikely to find that there is much more that can be done on the training ground" [my emphasis]. Hard work and approachability do need to be supplemented with more than what he's doing on the training ground - it's output / outcome that matters.

"4. PUTTING THINGS RIGHT - Silva has given up on zonal marking. There is other issues that are fixable, such as preventing players making individual mistakes that have led to goals that led to losses. For example, we have lost a lot of games where we were the team who had the better of the game up until conceding and were effectively hit with a sucker punch. That can be fixed by addressing the issues leading to the goals in training, altering the level of the defensive line (ie how high we are up the pitch), by signing a better player in January". That seems to contradict 3 in suggesting that more CAN be done on the training ground. But give Silva his due if he has conceded mistakes such as zonal non-marking. Maybe there's hope yet!

"5. VAR...Moshiri still has faith in Silva, as I still have faith in Silva. so there may be some parallels". It isn't in Silva's gift to influence VAR, so I don't see it as relevant to keeping / retaining him.

"6. THE SQUAD". Agree entirely that Silva (would have) wanted replacements for those we lost.

"7 THE PLAYERS...too scared to play football". Arguably as manager he should be putting that right. But if they can't be changed in this respect, then a wholesale clear-out is needed - massively worrying.

Thanks, Steve.

Daniel A Johnson
8 Posted 26/11/2019 at 16:57:40
Good article Steve but excuses, excuses.

To be so abjectly diabolical in every way shape and form against bottom of the table newly promoted Norwich and to get our arses handed to us in our very own back yard was absolutely scandalous.

The tactics, team selection, mind set and half arsed approach was all down to him.

He has to go, a nice guy maybe but how can you say he's a good coach when direct evidence in the premiership at Hull, Watford and now Everton clearly demonstrate he's not.

Sometimes Steve you talk about Silva likes he's some managerial giant but in reality he's a nobody. The harsh reality is he's failed massively in the only meaningful league he's had a go at managing in.

His career in the premiership is now well and truly over and rightly so.

John Keating
9 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:04:04
Steve
I hate to say this but you are as deluded as Silva.
That must be the most disorganised rant you've ever come out with.
The statistics nonsense you're trying to peddle would put us top of the league if it related to anything but reality and what we are actually witnessing

Putting things right. You have been saying the same thing after every game

VAR and other excuses have been used after every game since he took over. You do realise other teams have injuries and have been on the wrong end of VAR

The Players. Well it's Silva's job to play a system to suit what he has, use tactics to suit the team. Motivate the players. Everything he has been sadly unable or unwilling to do.

Sorry Steve you really are clutching at straws there with that rambling

I admire your undying loyalty to Silva but after the horrendous complete shambles of Norwich I thought even you would finally admit the charlatan had to go, obviously not.

Jason Broome
10 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:07:18
Steve I usually enjoy your posts.

You're a good guy who is loyal, passionate and knowledgeable. You still have a lot of respect on here mate however you are damaging your own credibility and reputation for this clown.

Posters on here know their Everton. Some of them a damn sight better than you and I. Let it go dude. Call it. Know when to fold them.

Tony Hill
11 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:13:51
The only hope, and it's a faint and unscientific one, is that sometimes when you're absolutely rock bottom the shackles fall away and freedom arrives. I just don't think we have it in us though.

I said you were all over the shop, Steve, because I think you are trying to square a circle. As Brent says, it's massively worrying. I don't consider Silva to be entirely to blame, far from it, and while I want to provide no excuse for our unimpressive Board, I do understand that they will be keenly aware of what is at stake.

Complex and horrible. We need luck, for once.

Steve Ferns
12 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:16:57
Brent, thank you for a very courteous response. A gent as always.

Tony, all the best managers are lucky managers. We need a lucky one more than a good one.

David Pearl
13 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:25:38
Oh my.

I think l might write my first ever ToffeeWeb article, gonna call it;

What Is Steve Ferns Smoking?

Christopher Timmins
14 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:26:03
Steve, until Brands comes up with a better solution then I think Silva should still remain on. Last Saturday was one of his worst days as manager and how he arrived at a team which contained Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Tuson I will never know. In fairness he is not responsible for any of the above signings. He also has to deal with a right back who is good going forward but who is out of his depth when it comes to defending.

He has a chance on Sunday to extend his stay at the club. I hope he takes it.

David Midgley
15 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:28:06
Steve, it's not a trick question. Explain to me about the team not being a Marco Silva one.

If it wasn't his whose was it? The way the team plays, what he says?

Do you not think a year plus is long enough to change it?

Ken Kneale
16 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:28:49
Steve As ever, well reasoned but I have to say hugely over optimistic to the point of delusion on a fundamentally flawed argument. You make us sound like a brilliant team in, as Tommy Dougherty once put it, "the crest of a slump". No amount of results over the next few games and I sincerely hope for the reputation of the club and the loyalty of the fans we do pull some points out of them, can undo the stubborn and reckless stewardship Silva has displayed in his formations, tactics and handling of situations - that includes the buying and selling - he needed to grow a pair if he genuinely did not want to sell a player not complain later. Add in a completely dysfunctional board for that is what they surely are, and you have a club on the precipice of history - do we stay connected to the elite albeit hanging like a thread to that reputation or are we also rans who have slipped too far down the food chain to recover.
Steve Ferns
17 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:30:08
Christopher, it was undoubtedly his worst day as a manager and that team selection was dreadful. I couldn't believe it. We needed pace and he went with those three. I understand he cannot pick Gbamin, Delph or Gomes so Schniderlin gets in by default, but there was no excuse for the other two. It was a pathetic performance that followed a poor team selection and seemed to make no effort to negate Norwich's strengths. We could not have picked a better team for them to play.
John Davies
18 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:31:35
WOW! What a dreadfully constructed, nonsensical piece that is.
Steve Ferns
19 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:34:00
David, it did not play like a Silva team. If you watch Everton's best performances under Silva then there is a lot of energy, a high tempo, a lot of pressing and closing down, quick passing, and there was none of that. That's what I mean. I still think it can be fixed.

Ken, Silva has no influence on the buying or selling. That's Brands remit. How is Silva meant to stop Brands selling a player?

David Pearl
20 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:36:30
Steve,

That exact same team battered Saints last week, especially first half. So how come all of a sudden they lacked pace? His selections seem fine to me. It’s his tactics that are atrocious.

Tony Everan
21 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:37:04
I desperately wanted Marco to well, I wanted him here, I believed too that he could get us playing well and challenge the top 6.

It's all gone wrong since that glimmer of hope in the last 8-10 games of last season. There is mitigating circumstances, Injuries, Gana, Zouma, and maybe most of all losing his right arm in JPS.

But it ends there, team selections, formations, substitutions have all been poor. We have never really looked a coherent and solid force apart from sporadically at the end of last season.

All this was evident way before Norwich where was the reaction against Burnley 6 weeks ago after losing 3 on the bounce. Another insipid and disorganised display. the writing was on the wall a long time ago. The board have already waited too long.

He has tried and failed, he has fallen way short. Not good enough for EFC.

The sooner we make the change the better.

Paul Tran
22 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:48:52
Interesting and reasoned as ever Steve.

What do you think will turn these metrics into improved results?

I'm looking at our squad and looking at those of, say, Sheff Utd & Burnley. Are their players better? Or are their managers getting more out of them?

I'm struggling with the idea that Silva is a good coach, he wants the players to play quicker, yet they don't. Looks to me as though he's not sure about the quicker players; he trusts the slower, 'safer' players more and is caught between two stools.

You're right that confidence is a huge issue. To me, that stems from the managers ability to communicate and motivate. The biggest flaw of Martinez, Koeman and now Silva is their apparent inability to turn a team that's on the slide. It's not inevitable, the good managers turn it round before it becomes a rot.

It's entirely possible that if your metrics are consistent and we are likely to keep hitting them, that things may well change. Given what my eyes have seen during Silva's reign, I'd suggest that's a very, very threadbare straw you're clutching.

But as ever, I hope you're right and the unlikely happens!

Amit Vithlani
23 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:52:02
People clearly have not read the post properly (except for Brent).

It's an attempt by Steve at rationalising Moshiri/Brand's reasoning for the stay of execution.

I'd suggest a very simple alternative: they will not let him go until a replacement is in the bag.

Also re Zouma & Gueye: not an excuse. We lost 8 out of 12 last season with both in the team.

Zonal marking cost us dearly last season and this. That now has been rectified, but an inability to recover from going behind is another horrible Achilles heel.

Both flaws present with & without Zouma and Gueye in the team.

David Thomas
24 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:56:39
We are just over a dozen games into the season and we’ve played the 3 promoted teams and lost all 3 games 2 nil. We haven’t even managed to score a goal in one of these games.

You and me definitely have different standards for a Everton Steve and if Moshiri is thinking what you are saying then we might as well put the closed signs up at Goodison and finch farm because we are finished.

Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:58:37
Steve, you did actually watch the Norwich game. So why do you not believe what your eyes are telling you?

I will address only two of your many points. On #4, Silva has NOT, repeat NOT, set things right on corners. Perhaps he has given up on zonal marking, perhaps not, but the simple fact is that we gave up two more wide open back post opportunities against Norwich. On one, the header was somehow missed over the bar from eight yards. On the other, the target of the corner stumbled and the ball was uneventfully cleared. But on both the attacker was alone. Unmarked. And as for our own corners, they remain a joke. We tried another Silva training ground routine, and the result again was chaos. There is nothing more basic than executing on corner kicks, and Everton cannot because Silva cannot coach them. Set things right? No, he has not.

And regarding #6, yes, Gueye left a yawning chasm that has yet to be filled, but I am just plain sick to death of the pathetic whining over the "hole" left by Zouma and the "failure" to sign him. To be clear, Zouma was never ours and Chelsea was never going to sell him after losing Rudiger and Luiz. Never. Furthermore, Mina has replaced him very nicely. Until the Norwich game Mina would have been my nominee for our Player of the Season thus far, and he is right now a better player than Zouma was at the same time last year (folks have forgotten what a rough autumn 2018 Zouma had). So Silva may have one personnel excuse, but not two.

And Steve, one point you haven't addressed is the lack of spirit in the team, the lack of togetherness and cohesion, the lack of mutual accountability. Silva holds no one accountable for lack of commitment -- players not performing still keep their jobs -- and therefore the players don't do it for each other. The manager's most important job is to set the tone for his club, and Silva is tone-deaf, so this club is an off-key cacophony on the pitch. There is no one else to blame for that.

One more thing. You are welcome to your belief about Silva's continued employment, but I believe that the only reason Silva is still the manager is because Moshiri and Brands have been unable to come to an agreement with their preferred replacement for him. I offer no evidence to support this claim, but I believe it will eventually be confirmed.

Kevin Prytherch
26 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:02:20
David 20...
That same team battered Saints because of the early goal.

The way Silva flourishes - especially with Sigurdsson (and to some extent Schneiderlin) is when teams come at us. It stretches the game, allows us the press and affords Sigurdsson, Richarlison and Walcott (in this instance) space to move into behind the midfield.

When we scored early, Saints were forced to become more expansive (you can’t sit back at home when you’re losing), it played into Silvas hands and we look good. That’s why we look good against the better teams.

Against Norwich, they were more compact and we couldn’t break them down (like usual). Sigurdsson, Richarlison and Walcott don’t have the nous about them to when there is no space behind the midfield and we look dreadful. Schneiderlin offers nothing because he stays in the same little area (great when teams are attacking this area - pointless when they’re not).

We will only ever look good against the poorer teams if we manage to score first and they have to come at us.

That’s one of the fundamental reasons why we have never won from behind. Silva is clueless against defensive minded teams.

Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:06:18
David #20, if I may answer your question, I believe Saints are the slowest club in the Prem -- there's simply not much pace in that side. Norwich have tremendous speed everywhere on the pitch. That's why our similar lineup looked so different in those two games.

Kevin #26, excellent post. If we agree, something must be very wrong!

Mark Guglielmo
28 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:09:14
David @20 the same lineup did okay at Soton...after Iwobi & Kean came on.

But even ignoring that, are you in favor of a manager putting the same lineup out regardless of the next opponent's style, formation, whether you're home or away, etc., or just because that same lineup won the previous game? In this case they are mutually exclusive.

Follow-up question: are you in favor of Tosun, Schneiderlin, and Sigurdsson continuing to get important minutes, let alone start?

Darren Hind
29 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:14:51
Steve,

Fair play to you, lad. You knew as you were penning this piece that you were going to be stoned by some. Many of those throwing the stones would not dare put their heads above the parapet and pen an article of their own. In football, there is always a chance. Anybody wanting to deny that must be new to the game.

Leicester are flying at the moment. Their confidence is sky-high; ours, on the other hand, is on the floor, but this set players have beaten that set of Leicester players before. We will need luck, but it's nowhere near the forlorn hope some are portraying it. The Bookies will offer a stingy 4/1 on it happening.

The trip to Mordor seems like mission impossible right now, but I'm not prepared to write that one off either. They have not been as convincing as the bare results would suggest recently. Their luck must be stretching to snapping point.

We need to approach this aggressively. The longer they go unbeaten, the more they will feel the pressure and we all know, the very last team their fans want to lose to is us. If we can go there focused and aggressive, cut out the stupid individual mistakes that have so dogged us and eroded confidence, stay in the game or better, take a lead, they will start to feel the pressure increase in exactly the same way it did at the Old Lady a few short months ago.

Look, we all know the size of the task. You will get around 8/1 for us to win at Anfield. The 45/1 on offer for us to win both games will not tempt the shrewd punters... but the way I see it is we have two choices:

We back the "Dead-man-walking" and his team to the hilt over the next week or so; try to generate a defiant "fuck you" attitude in the face of overwhelming odds. Or we can accept our fate and simply throw the towel in.

You are right to remain defiant, Steve. The day I throw the towel in is the day I have attended my last match and I'm not quite ready to do that yet. I'd rather the hope killed me than the fucking apathy.

Brian Hennessy
30 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:22:20
Steve #19 "it did not play like a Silva team."

I have to disagree. We played EXACTLY like a Silva team against Norwich. These type of performances have been the norm under him - all be it not quite as bad as we were on Saturday.

"a lot of energy, a high tempo, a lot of pressing and closing down, quick passing," I could count on one hand the amount of games we have played like that under Silva.

Silva has had plenty of time to show us if he is a good coach/manager and he has failed miserably. Time to move on.

Mark Guglielmo
31 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:30:16
Steve gets a lot of flak, but like Darren, I admire not only his willingness to absorb it, but to do so in a levelheaded, discussion-inducing way. I don't typically agree, and this particular piece seems a little "straw grasping" to me, but nevertheless, the man has stones.

Brian @30 above, I've seen a lot of your posts that are singularly focused on getting Silva out as quickly as the taxi can get to Goodison. No problem there. But I can't remember any of those posts also naming who you personally want, and believe we can get. I would ask that you not say "anyone" as that's not really an answer to begin with.

Daniel A Johnson
32 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:47:14
Mark you don't have to have an alternative name in mind in order to say you want Silva to leave. We can speculate on here for the next 100yrs who it should be and why. Its the Everton hierarchy's job to sort that out not us.

Steve needs to decide is he an Everton supporter or a Marco Silva supporter?

Mark Guglielmo
33 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:51:31
Daniel, of course you don't, that wasn't my point. Without one it's just complaining though, and reads as "anyone but Silva."

As far as speculating, I'm sure you've read the exact same last 10 threads about the exact same thing as I have. It's not like there are 500 options, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that the Board is acutely aware of that. I stated my choice. What's yours while we're on the subject?

Raymond Fox
34 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:51:36
Fair play Steve, the reason for recent form is not as black and white as most want to make out, its not all down to the manager.

I have to say though that his demeanor as a leader doesn't inspire confidence and he has made poor decisions on too many occasions this season.
In his defence I said earlier in another thread that he's the same manager who led the team to excellent results at the end of last season, the only difference is he has a different squad of players to choose from now.
So who's to blame, is the squad weaker, is it down to injuries to important players or has he been found wanting.
The answer is probably some of each, but at the end of the day the buck stop with him and its just not been good enough!

I don't see him winning the majority of fans over onto his side again, so its only a very short time before he will be gone.

Jer Kiernan
35 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:56:21
Steve as mentioned by some above is very courageous of you in view of the highly charged emotions this week to pen such an article, If there is one TWebber I would want in the trenches with me it would be you, I admire your resiliance and loyalty

But ( you knew it was coming) I have to take you up on a couple of things, You appear to paint the Norwich game for you as an "epiphany" that you had finally noticed something after all the scrutiny and stats which you hadnt noticed before ?

To me it was an exact replay of Burnley,Sheff Utd, B/mouth ( Their manager is one for the future!!) Villa and any number of games in middle of last season (remember that run phew !!!)

Too much has gone wrong for you to be right. I feel even if he gets lucky in the next couple of games ( and it is possible ) he is never going to deliver anything but stagnant dreary rigid football, clueless attacking and circus-esque defending

I firmly believe if Mosh is wanting to keep Silva is solely because their are not many Billioinaires who enjoy looking foolish,

I am genuinely hoping whoever we get in, you are happy to study and add your valued insight on and maybe this time the favourable stats will actually match what we see on the pitch and more importantly the results

Daniel A Johnson
36 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:56:24
For me Mark I want a back to basics approach so I would go Dyche.

I want us fired up, hard to beat and blood & thunder again. You can save the fancy football for another fancy clever manager further down the line when the squad has been rebuilt form the ground up and we can play that brand of football.

Tony Abrahams
37 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:07:43
I’d echo fair play Steve, and add that if Everton beat Leicester and Liverpool, Silva would come out to a Goodison, against Chelsea, that he has never seen before, even including the day Unsworth’s Everton, came back from two goals down against Watford.

He needs players that will stand up and be counted now, and when I think about this, then this is when I start to worry about Anfield.

Agree with Darren, we can’t throw in the towel, and if people think Steve’s deluded, who knows, maybe Twatkinson, might even overrule the birkenheader next Wednesday night! (Okay, but if he does? I already know the answer)

Brian Hennessy
38 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:12:35
Hi Mark #31

I mentioned on the Arteta thread that out of the list of names being mentioned he {Arteta) would be my my No.1 pick from the realistic possibilities. A gamble, yes, but so would almost any manager we can get our hands on.

I would be willing to "forgive" Benitez for his past sins if he came as his record as a manager is very impressive.

If it was up to me I would sack Silva now and put Unsworth in temporary charge while the hunt for a permanent manager continues.

I know that too is somewhat risky, and lessens our bargaining power in negotiations but I honestly feel Unsworth has a better chance of getting something out of the tough run of games ahead of us than Silva.

Rob Halligan
39 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:22:21
If Silva is in the dugout for the next two games at least, then so be it, there is nothing we can do about it. At the end of the day we back the eleven players out there on the pitch. Yes, even the likes of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Tosun if they are playing. The team need our total support throughout the next month to get us out of a difficult situation. We don't need people saying "I hope we lose to X Y or Z" in the hope Silva is sacked. Who knows, maybe Moshiri is waiting on a particular person before calling time on Silva, but until he does, we need to get behind whatever team Silva puts out.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

40 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:24:21
Sorry Steve, but in trying to present this as the possible thoughts of Moshiri, you are perpetrating a deception. A truer title would be 'What is Steve Ferns Thinking?'

IMO it amounts to wishful thinking on your part as a means not to ultimately have been proven wrong on Silva.

The news blackout on the burning issue from Everton since Saturday does not necessarily, as you claim, amount to: "it seems certain that Moshiri still has faith in Silva."

To go through your points:

1. Money - "as a successful businessman, you know sometimes you need to not throw good money after bad."

Exactly. With Silva reportedly 'only' on £3 million pa, when balanced against the prize money received per finishing place (up to £2 million per position), sacking Silva and paying off his salary is chicken feed which could easily be recuperated with a more effective coach in place. And that's without taking into consideration the very worst case scenario of (whisper it) relegation and the potential losses that would incur.

2. Statistics - the very statistics you use to praise Silva can be flipped to damn him. Top 6 in attacking metrics, but averaging a goal per game - 13 in 13 (the equal 4th worst) - as our transitions from defence to attack are so ponderous and rarely can we find our three most advanced players in the same post code to trouble the opposition.

2nd for preventing chances against and top 4 for expected goals against, but with 20 conceded in 13 we have the 5th worst defence in the league.

The most damning stat of all is the one you don't reference: Saturday's loss to Norwich extends to 23 games in Silva's 51 PL games with Everton that the opposition has scored first and the Blues have NEVER come back to win.

That represents a whopping 45% of all his PL games as Everton manager. The 23 game record reads:

P 23 W 0 D 4 L 19 F 14 A 44 Pts 4 out of a possible 69, a minus goal difference of 30.

Such numbers, which are being repeated this season as they were last, chops our hoped-for progress off at the knees.

In the majority of those games - as Norwich did on Saturday - the opposition does not have to play particularly well, do anything extraordinary, or be potent. Keep your shape. Be organized. Maintain discipline, and your rewards will come.

3. Finch Farm - it "is unlikely to find that there is much more that can be done on the training ground." If that is truly the case, if Silva has exhausted all the ways to improve the team and results, sack him NOW! Regardless of whether we have a replacement lined up or not.

4. Putting things right - as already pointed out by others, this seemingly directly contradicts point 3. I also think you are watching the game through Silva-hued glasses if you continue to claim "we have lost a lot of games where we were the team who had the better of the game up until conceding and being hit with a sucker punch."

We have rarely, if ever, put together a good 90 minutes over the course of a game in Silva's entire tenure. This season the paucity of joined up football barely extends beyond 15-20 minutes in any one game.

5. VAR - has not treated us well. Other teams have, and will, also suffer. Absolutely nothing to do with Silva and what he can deliver.

6. The squad - can always be improved, but it is not radically different from the one that finished last season so well. But to now claim Silva "has been short-changed" by losing Zouma and Gueye is a huge flip by you Steve when game after game after game you kept repeating the mantra last season that Gana "was not a Silva player" and that he was a liability and ill-disciplined when others challenged you and argued how fundamentally important he was to the team. Injuries have not helped. Not all positions were covered adequately in the transfer market, but as a high-earning manager, you do the best you can with what you've got. And Silva is not doing very well.

7. The players - if Silva, as you claim, "wants us to play a fast game of football" he is certainly disguising this desire.

By the end of last season, as benefits any team, nice partnerships were forming across the park. The Dein-Bernard combo; Richarlison and Coleman; Siggy and DCL; Keane and Zouma. And each pairing was dovetailing nicely into the other combos.

It should have been easy for Silva to build on that going into this season, all the more so with the undeniably benevolent fixture list of the opening dozen games. But we haven't come close to reviving the verve and instinctive play they displayed from Cardiff away onwards last season.

The players are not exempt from blame, but we all know how football works. The one who ultimately pays for poor results and a lowly league position is the manager.

I don't accept how you glibly pass it off that his Norwich selection "was not a Marco Silva side" or the way he likes to play. Again, if that is the case, if he is not staying true to his 'principles', then possibly it is yet another sign of a man lacking in confidence in his own ability and methods. If so, it constitutes another reason to look elsewhere.

For me, not a convincing case of second-guessing Moshiri's thoughts you offer at all, I'm afraid Steve.

Mark Guglielmo
41 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:26:46
Daniel @36 thanks for your answer. It's on the 'conservative' side IMO but I fully understand your desire to get a "fucking fight, lads" guy in there.

Brian @38, how funny, we want the same guy! I would also stomach Benitez. Well, maybe stomach is the wrong word for me to use. Not being from Liverpool, I don't have the inherent hatred and/or vitriol toward them and everything related to them that many do. So yeah, sign me up for Rafa too even though I don't find his football all that exciting. Where we differ is that I canNOT stomach the interim/caretaker route. Though I'm also of the opinion that relegation, while possible, is very highly unlikely. Not because of our form, but because of the equally crappy form of the table this year. Oh, and thanks for your answer too.

Rob H @39 "Yes, even the likes of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Tosun if they are playing." Sorry mate, you lost me here ;-)

Jay W @40 do you understand xG and the like (stats)? "2. The very statistics you use to praise Silva can be flipped to damn him. Top 6 in attacking metrics, but averaging a goal per game - 13 in 13 (the equal 4th worst) - as our transitions from defence to attack are so ponderous and rarely can we find our three most advanced players in the same post code to trouble the opposition." This makes it sound like you don't to be honest. I believe what Steve is alluding to is that xG indicates we should be 5th in the table. How much stock you put into that is entirely up to you.

Jay Harris
42 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:32:04
Steve,
I always admire your attention to detail and your voracity for tactical knowledge but as you know I have always been opposed to Silva for the very reasons we have come to this situation

This may not be Silva's Everton in your opinion but it certainly isn't mine.

The number of occasions we have had a "Norwich" moment particularly this season would have set alarm bells ringing long ago in the corridors of power of ambitious clubs such that it would have been sorted out well before a "Norwich" moment.

The team even when doing well remains unconvincing and characterless. It lacks strength and resilience but contains dangerous levels of apathy and timidity.

In 18 months and 200m later I see no improvement nor leadership from management yet I see all the symptoms of Hull and Watford. "Moments" yes but over a season the man gets found out and found wanting.

Personally I would have ordered a taxi weeks ago. I don't think anyone at the club would have done a worse job while we looked around for somebody decent Maybe Mourhino might have been available then. We will never know because the boardroom is just as bad as Silva.

However I think the damage has already been done and to leave him in charge any further is suicidal. Could Unsy do any worse in the next two games or would we get some "the manager is sacked" bounce.

One things for sure Silva has proved incapable of getting a tune out of these players and will be seriously out of tune if left in charge any longer under these circumstances.

Jay Harris
43 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:32:04
Steve,
I always admire your attention to detail and your voracity for tactical knowledge but as you know I have always been opposed to Silva for the very reasons we have come to this situation

This may not be Silva's Everton in your opinion but it certainly isn't mine.

The number of occasions we have had a "Norwich" moment particularly this season would have set alarm bells ringing long ago in the corridors of power of ambitious clubs such that it would have been sorted out well before a "Norwich" moment.

The team even when doing well remains unconvincing and characterless. It lacks strength and resilience but contains dangerous levels of apathy and timidity.

In 18 months and 200m later I see no improvement nor leadership from management yet I see all the symptoms of Hull and Watford. "Moments" yes but over a season the man gets found out and found wanting.

Personally I would have ordered a taxi weeks ago. I don't think anyone at the club would have done a worse job while we looked around for somebody decent Maybe Mourhino might have been available then. We will never know because the boardroom is just as bad as Silva.

However I think the damage has already been done and to leave him in charge any further is suicidal. Could Unsy do any worse in the next two games or would we get some "the manager is sacked" bounce.

One things for sure Silva has proved incapable of getting a tune out of these players and will be seriously out of tune if left in charge any longer under these circumstances.

Rob Halligan
44 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:32:06
How have I lost you, Mark? At the moment these three seem to be getting slated for so much as stepping into the pitch. Quite simply, if any of them are playing in the next two games then the fans need to back them. Wouldn't have thought that was difficult to understand?
Dave Evans
45 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:34:08
Steve. Well reasoned summary as always.

If Silva was to win against Leicester and the dark side, I would be on board for another couple of months. If Silva is sacked, finding another manager that would not alienate part of the fan base will be difficult.

Poch, almost certainly, will not come here.
Wenger and Benitez have just started lucrative jobs.
If these pages are to be taken as a reflecting opinion of the fan base, the home grown alternatives of Wilder, Moise, Howe and Dyche, are somehow not good enough for us and Arteta or Cahill too inexperienced and risky.

That leaves Ancelotti or some up and coming Dutch/European or South American manager that I, for one, would be ignorant of.

For the mess we are in the board are culpable and sacking Silva and spinning the wheel may have to be done. But no one will be a given.

The premier league eats even talented managers for breakfast.


Steve Ferns
46 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:34:57
Jay, of course it's what I was thinking and not him. I never wrote an article, just posted some thoughts as people kept asking what Moshiri was thinking on here and elsewhere all day when the inevitable emerged and Silva was all but confirmed to be in charge for Saturday. I would bet we're not a million miles apart though. Cheers for your thoughts and those of the others.

By the way I watched the Libertadores game last night. Gabigol did nothing for most of the game then suddenly game alive and won them the game. If only we had a striker capable of that.

Richard Nelson
47 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:35:06
He's not thinking...he's dithering...he IS a DITHERER...!
Brent Stephens
48 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:38:40
Any links to the U21 game tonight?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

49 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:41:38
Ehrm...Mark @ 41.

I responded PRECISELY to the statements and stats Steve himself put up, NOT to something you retrospectively now claim:

"I believe what Steve is alluding to is that xG indicates we should be 5th in the table."

Steve didn't reference xG or the fictional position of where we should be in the table, at all.

Do you understand that?

Brent Stephens
50 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:43:39
Stop shouting, Jay, my ears hurt!
Dave Evans
51 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:48:54
Jay you really will have to stop shouting. Either stop inhaling or pay for another month of sessions.
Steve Ferns
52 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:51:44
Brent, you can pay £10 and watch it on the Fleetwood website. It's on the iFollow package for the EFL.
Brent Stephens
53 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:53:11
Lend us a tenner, Steve?!

U21s one down already.

Steve Ferns
54 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:56:03
Jay, I did mention xG by the title expected goals, and the NIP means not including penalties, which is one of several metrics that shows that I alluded to but I didn't want to get into a statistical debate. The analytics are to be interpreted, so flip it all you want. Draw your own inference. The guys I follow are all saying, and have been for some time, that Everton are in a very false position and should improve soon. But sometimes you don't improve and the statistics get worse to justify the league position. Perhaps that is what would happen under Silva in the long term.
Steve Ferns
55 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:56:25
haha ok Brent!
Andrew Laird
56 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:58:59
Marco Silva might be a great catch Steve but he is a fucking abysmal manager. You can’t polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter I suppose.
Joe McMahon
57 Posted 26/11/2019 at 19:58:59
Steve, I really do admire your optimism, but bloody hell we are well off the pace and are not in anyway shape or form going to nip into the top 6 with this squad or manager. Forget the Citys, Liverpools. This team are not going to overtake Wolves and possibly even Burnley. Leicester are definitely out of reach, possibly for a few seasons and they could make the CL league again (a different world to us)

Just asking Steve, we don't hear from Richard Dodd anymore, do you know something that we don't?

Mark Guglielmo
58 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:01:10
Jay @49, so because I attempted to make an educated guess at what Steve was referencing, you use that as your latest platform to come across like a pretentious professor with a superiority complex? Ok then. Toodle-loo and GFY. Interpret that.

Rob @44 I guess everyone has their panties in such a bunch that sarcasm isn't coming across on the interwebs. I know exactly what you were saying, and meant. I was making a joke that I can't support those 3 clowns as in haha, they stink haha. Of course I will, but I reserve my right to do so begrudgingly. I'll only speak in a literal sense

Derek Taylor
59 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:02:07
If I were Moshiri reading that twaddle, I'd give Super Silva a long improved contract, pay him up front and then send the bill to Steve Ferns the Deluded.
Mike Doyle
60 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:08:51
Joey Barton reported as saying yesterday that he’d fancy the Everton job.
At present his Fleetwood side are leading Unsie’s U21 side 1-0 in front of a watching Little Miss Dynamite no less.
Could this be an audition?
Before dismissing the suggestion, EFC do have previous form for this sort of thing. Older TWs will remember we signed Bernie Wright after he played for Walsall against us in the cup.
Jason Wilkinson
61 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:09:20
Steve,
I admire your support for Silva and having the balls to post this article.

I unfortunately cannot agree with you over a couple of points.

1/ I think our board of directors are about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike (when it comes to football)

2/ if Silva is the next Mourinho (which most doubt) he is either being gagged or does not have the cahunas to speak up and throw Brands under the bus. (With regard to signings or lack of them)

3/ He has by all accounts one or two very talented youngsters in the U23 team. Why has he not given them a go?

The definition of stupidity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

We expect a team put together at an eye watering cost to play attractive team football with individual moments of brilliance. I have not seen either during his tenure so far.
The last time I saw anything like was the cup win v Chelsea.

P.S. did she rinse your wallet at the Trafford centre? I normally get stung then mugged in the food court on the way out.

Simon Dalzell
62 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:18:16
Darren 29. Many of the people who are ' Stoning' Steves' comments have written many posts explaining why Silva is not worthy, without having to write a non sensicle exhaustive saga. Your so called head above the parapet. Their comments and mine have been plentiful, are already out there to be shot at.
Christy Ring
63 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:18:38
Steve 100% for effort, but cannot defend Silva anymore. His formation, and tactics, haven't changed since the start of the season, and look back, not alone on Saturday, but against Sheffield Utd, he lost the plot and brought on 3 subs together. He has played Calvert-Lewin and Tosun together from the bench, but never tried DCL and Kean. As for transfers, regarding not getting an established no.9, and a centreback, I'd blame Silva/ Brands 50/50.
I believe Moshiri is dithering over sacking Marco, because he's not sure of his replacement, because Kenwright is in his ear, promoting Moyes/ Hughes. The longer he waits, Arsenal will be closing in on Arteta, there fans are worried, we'll make a move.
John P McFarlane
64 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:19:53
If Everton were to match last season's results in the next 8 league games it would mean that we would have 23 points from 21 games, the fact that many of us think that this is very unlikely, is the most worrying aspect of our current plight.

All the XGs, possession stats or any other statistical measure won't help our results, simply start scoring more goals and stop gifting opponents time and space in our last third and we may be able to grind out some very useful points.

Any thoughts of top half should be put to bed until we have gained enough points for survival, trying to play our way out of a crisis will not work and that is where Silva lets himself down, pragmatism is sometimes a necessity and playing 'luxury' players such as Siggy, Walcott and Tosun in the starting line-up isn't what's required when the team is struggling for form.


Conor McCourt
65 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:23:17
Steve Ferns-up until the Norwich game I was still giving him the benefit of the doubt but I'm not joking when I seen his line-up for Norwich I thought he wants out, he wants out but he wants paid up.

Then after the game he came out with a flippant comment over whether he would remain suggesting to me at least that whatever is going on in the background he's ready to go.

I wonder your thoughts on this

Peter Laing
66 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:24:48
The table never lies, we are 15th Liverpool are top. As much as we are all entitled to our opinion - would Silva be tolerated at Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United or even Leicester City ?
Mike Doyle
67 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:31:15
Peter 66] No Silva would not be tolerated - in fact it’s highly doubtful any of those you name would ever have considered appointing him with his record.
Liverpool ditched Rogers (who almost won the league) when they realised an upgrade was available.
Spurs didn’t mess around replacing the guy to took them to the CL Final last May when recent form suggested they would not qualify this season.
If only we had the mindset of these clubs. One can but dream!
David Thomas
68 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:37:43
Steve 54,

You say the guys I follow say Everton are in a false position. Who are these guys you are referring to?

Also you say these guys have been saying for some time that Everton will improve soon. Do you think maybe it might be time to stop listening to them considering that they have told you Everton would improve For a long time and nothing has improved. Maybe it’s time to question whether these guys know what they are talking about.

Jim Burke
69 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:42:35
Loyal to the end, Steve, fair play!

I'd stick until Jan, and reassess. We'd likely lose any bounce a new manager would have given our upcoming fixtures. And I can't think of anybody we could realistically get right now I'd prefer to Silva, as disappointing as Silva's been.

I agree, a huge slice of it's down to luck. Can you train chemistry? Can you force things to click? I dunno. May be if you're Guardiola or Klopp (Klopp would get our current squad in the top four, no doubts... how did that shower get so lucky, grim as fuck watching them walk away with it).

For the majority who say get rid, what next? I still think Silva can achieve top 10 (albeit still not good enough) and you never know, a half decent cup run. The alternative is more chaos, a never ending cycle. We're a few points off top five. Granted don't look like getting anywhere near that at the moment, but it's amazing what confidence can do if we can somehow string a few results together.

Unless relegation becomes a realistic threat (it's not yet, just as it wasn't two years ago), hold tight for now I say.

Derek Thomas
70 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:44:04
Steve; Silva and Boa Morte are in Leicester...sorry I meant - Butch and Sundance are all shot up, trapped in a house, surrounded by 200 Federales (badges optional).
Butch says - Australia; that's where we'll go, nobody knows us there, they speak English too.

Sundance; keep thinking Butch - it's what you're good at. They leap outside...

Hands up who knows what happens next?

This will be Silva and Boa Morte at Anfield...Camera pulls away as our heroes fade into the sepia toned past that is Everton history.

The End.

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:46:45
Various statistical analysts with no affiliation to Everton David, on twitter and other places. And no David, I'll keep an eye on what the metrics say, cheers.
David Thomas
72 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:53:43
Fair enough Steve even if we don’t perform in the actual league at least we can rest easy that we are flying high in the stats league.
Andy Crooks
73 Posted 26/11/2019 at 20:58:13
Darren@ 29, that us a fine post. Steve backs his man, he does it with reasoned argument.That is debate. I don't think 4/1 is skinny. The best I can get in the shops is 7/2. What I will be, though, is 100% behind our team and coach on Sunday.

There will be some who want us to lose, to see Silva gone. Each to their own. What I will do, however, goes against all of my previous betting strategies. I never back our club to lose, never to win.

I have a tin in which I drop pound coins. I consider it to be money I don't have. There is a fair bit in it and it will be all going on Everton to win.

Yeah, I know I am a jinx, but, we will win at Anfield someday and we might win at Leicester. Steve Ferns, well done for your stance on all these threads. If we lose at Leicester I will demand an explanation( and compensation) when we meet up with Mike Gaynes.
Steve Ferns
74 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:02:35
No David, the teams flying high in the stats league are the teams that do well in the real league.

If you want to attack the stats, you can do so easy. For example, you may well say that it's indicative of the "easier" games, and that our statistics will take a big hit over the next 5 games.

Eddie Dunn
75 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:03:36
Steve- just a couple of points. These metrics putting us in the top six may have some interest but the results tell us a clearer tale of where we are.
On the zonal marking- I don't think he has given up on it. Last season he seemed to drop it for a hybrid which worked better but the dogmatic bugger decided to go again with different personel. The boys looked to be playing zonally to me for much of the Norwich game.
Finally, although I have been wanting Silva sacked for a while now, I will be right behind him hoping he can still turn things around. I think the heirachy are also hoping for a near miracle result at Leicester(which is possible) and at Anfield (less likely).
I sincerely hope he sorts it out, puts fire in the bellies of the players and does the business.
Unfortunately I have hoped like this so many times this season that I have little hope of success, but you never know. I hope our marvellous travelling Blues get behind both the team and the manager at the King Power, and that they can give the faithfull something to cheer.

It's not been fun recently, even here in deepest West Wales. So many snide comments from glory-hunters of every colour. Got xmas on merseyside to contend with. Luckily my Red inlaws verge on the patronising, kindly wanting us do well. It doesn't help though. I feel for the Blues in the city.

John Graham
76 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:04:51
I think the simple fact is that there is not one outstanding candidate to replace him who all most of us on here can agree with.
Howe, Moyes, Dyche, Hughes, all have a few supporters but mostly haters.
Top managers are looking to get teams/squads who are capable to get them into Europe year after year so are not coming here.
Young managers such as Arteta and possibly Cahill etc are a big risk mid season and probably better end of season choices.
So for the next few games at least Silva will be in charge and hopefully the team and results will improve.
COYB
Oliver Molloy
77 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:06:13
How the fuck did I ever let BK talk me into investing in this football club - that's what Moshiri is thinking i'd say!
Rob Dolby
78 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:14:30
Steve I agree with you up to point 7.

Anything that could go wrong has gone wrong this year.

He isn't a lucky manager, he can't turn around onfield performances.

The flawed marking at set pieces especially on the back post are still there.

If he wants to play fast attacking football he doesn't pick Tosun over DCL or Sigurdsson over Iwobi.

I have given up trying to guess what style of play he wants besides get it to the overlapping fullbacks.

I can't see him lasting out the next 6 games.

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:17:17
It'll take something spectacular to still be here in 6 games time Rob.
Ken Kneale
80 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:20:31
Mike Doyle sadly not likely with our dysfunctional directors
Michael Kenrick
81 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:20:50
Steve, you seem to be saying that (a) "Silva's training is very good", but that (b) "nothing more can be done on the training ground".

Call me stupid but I've got this naive belief that a manager needs to be an exceptional coach on the training ground in order to bring the best out of the players on the field of play. If it's not happening on the training ground, then it inevitably leads to poor/incompetent play on the field – which is exactly what we have been subjected to watching.

Simple logic means the fault lies with the coach. Yet you seem to be trying to bamboozle us with myriad more excuses because you are so convinced Silva is this brilliant coach, despite all the evidence (at Everton) to the contrary.

Sorry, not buying it.

Mark Williams
82 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:21:32
Brave words in the current climate Steve - Qudos for that alone!

@John Graham 76,

Agreed - although I'm now 95% convinced it's untenable for him, regardless of the next 5-6 results.

That said; home and away against the next ("big") 5 PL fixtures, he took 14/30 points last season. At a time when expectations were undoubtedly lower. Some of those (ManU/Ars away), we maybe should have won (but for that terminal first conceded goal...)

I can't name a manager we can realistically secure now, who I would back to beat that at this stage, so I'd say leave him in, get a replacement or 3 in the wings, and task Brands with a way to measure the chances of a longer-term improvement from Silva over those games (no idea how he'd do that) - then either replace him or don't in Jan - but set the criteria now and stick to them.

If he manages the impossible, then maybe give him some funds for at least 1 of those players he reportedly didn't get in the summer in January perhaps?

That said - I've been pretty appalled with his style of management too many times now. Suspect in-game management, Bizarre touchline demeanour when it's not working, Roberto-esque soundbites, and tactical naivety as Steve details well for the Norwich game. It's all too hard to excuse

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:23:08
Not asking you to buy it at all Michael. Draw your own conclusions.
Drew O'Neall
84 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:23:30
Yes Darren Hind @ 29.

That’s the spirit! We’re Everton aren’t we?!

Andrew James
85 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:26:17
Steve,

I look at the side and am not totally down hearted because the changes that need to be made are relatively small but they would be effective.

With Martinez, there were too many problems. Lack of fitness, poor defending, ill discipline, terrible signings from Wigan (apart from JM) ludicrous game management.

Under Koeman while the second season was mad with all the new signings, I felt his stubborn refusal to change things up and basically leaving Lukaku isolated up front a lot with him and Barkley left to try finding the goals (he seriously never looked like he had much time for coaching the forwards and seemed to leave them to their own devices) left me puzzled as to what our identity was.

But with Silva I think the changes are easier to highlight and won't mean a big overhaul.

No more Schneiderlin. Siggy coming on with cameos from the bench. Pick a No 9 and back him to the hilt. No more rotating Tosun and DCL or even Richarlison. Stick with the one who works best in the system.

There are a whole host of other issues that Silva cannot influence like a paucity at the back and the injury crisis in the midfield. Yet if he had stopped tinkering and returning to the tired old names who have a history of failing us, he might have stood a chance.

Instead he's blown many of the winnable matches. If he does go, he will look back at this and kick himself.

Tony Abrahams
86 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:27:58
The best trainers, don’t always make the best players. I’ve seen loads of brave footballers in training who are the complete opposite on the pitch. Good managers know this, but I’m not sure obsessional coaches do?
Darren Lindsay
87 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:28:07
For whats its worth I'm with you, Steve. Now there have been poor performances and questionable decisions, from the manager. but I'm a firm believer stats are a great indicator of where you may be over the season. Even if the current situation appears dire. Moneyball is one of my favorite films, because anything that takes emotion out of deciosn making is a good thing in my opinion. We have played well on lots of occasions over the course of many games and not always had the rub of the green or got the reward our play deserves. Points, however you come by them, relieves pressure, creates a better atmosphere from the fans and gives players confidence. which is the most important. It is very difficult for managers to address confidence when things haven't gone your way. I would stick with Silva, hope for a turn in fortune and come by some points and build from there.

As an aside Fans don't know what they want. At the last home game I heard forward, forward being shouted, and in the next breath from the same fan, "for christ sake play it simple" when the player tried to play on the half turn but failed. In that instance the player should have gone back to the keeper, but I swear it was the atmosphere in the ground that made the player try somehting that was wrong for the situation such was the pressure from the crowd.

Steve Ferns
88 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:28:21
He will only have himself to blame too Andrew. He has gone with experience too often, when he has tended to go with youth in the past.
Mike Doyle
89 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:32:38
Tony 86] Spot on. Not just football. Most sports people have tales of those who looked great in training but couldn’t replicate it on the big stage.
Andy Crooks
90 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:39:40
Yes, Tony. I have seen it for years, as I guess you have very often. Great trainers who disappear on match day. I know because I was one. Happy in training to try every trick, run, tackle. On the pitch, no mistakes, keep it safe.
David Pearl
91 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:45:28
Kevin, l agree. Isn’t Schneiderlin being asked to play that way? Why else would he play behind his midfield partner.

Mark 28, I’m not in favour of keeping those players in if we play the same tactics. If we change and fix the shape of the midfield then yes they could work. Silva started to tinker. 4141 and for a game or two Walcott played close to the striker. How is it Mourinho can play 2 ‘defensive’ midfielders but we can’t? He lets the forward play like forwards. Our manager has them chasing back. Steve has a point that we are close and the stats if you rate them point to us being close. After 18 months to be is this position... Moshiri has a lot to answer for.

It’s been said above but Silva looks like a deer in headlights. He knows how to set up the team and pick the players but once the game has started he’s done. The Sheff Utd game when he played his hand so soon. Was that to make a point, or did he actually think those changes could work?

Anyway drawn in again to the same old arguments. Silva has failed and another season bites the dust.
I think l will ask my mummy for a nice blazer, tie, white board and some coloured marker pens.

I enjoy the banter with A Mercians. I used to think, what would they know. But then l lived in Toronto for 5 years and won 2 nfl pools 2 years in a row... and they hated me for it (which l loved). Sometimes sports is so simple. Football is a simple game made to look hard by millionaire managers and millionaire players that can’t even pass a ball.

Sam Hoare
92 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:51:10
Interesting piece Steve and I agree with a lot of it. Very little has gone our way this season. But like you Silva lost my backing somewhat with the Norwich game. The moment the lineup was announced I was unhappy and feared the worst. Conservatism and sticking to the same tactics that have failed against low blocks before. And the failure to turn around losing positions becomes more damning the longer it goes on.

I think another reason he’s yet to be fired is that it would be harsh to start a new manager (interim or otherwise) with the next two very tough games. Silva has specialised in more open games and will need 4 points I I imagine from next two games to stand a chance.

Eddie Dunn
93 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:56:42
Darren, it is true that at times we have played some good stuff without end product. However, this season, particularly in the first halves we have played some of the most tepid football I have witnessed in many a year, and in a good few of those games we could and should have been 2 goals down before the break. So it rubs both ways.
Martin Mason
94 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:08:40
He must be thinking what a mistake he's made. Everton are the tragedy that is slowly turning into farce and I for one see only one outcome. No manager could turn around what js happening at the club because it is a sickness that nobody seems able to excise. In 1970 and in the mid-80's we rode at the very top of the world of club football. Soccer clubs are typically mismanaged by their owners but we have made an art form of it and have managed to turn what was the ultimate silk purse into a total pig's ear not once but twice. Let nobody be in any doubt that we're in an existential crisis now and that is Moshiri's problem. Sacking or keeping Silva could result in relegation, getting a new coach could result in relegation even if he were a top man. How do you cure this Everton disease? We have money now, we've recruited well as we thought and yet the farce not only goes on but gets worse. And to be an Everton supporter? We have been the best and yet we have suffered the most and all the time across the Park has been the most successful club in UK history and they are awakening. How can we suffer such collective Karma?
David Thomas
95 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:19:17
Ha ha Steve you won’t give it up will you. If we lose the next ten games I’m sure there will be a post from you on this site explaining how silva can’t be blamed for any of those defeats.
Martin Mason
96 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:23:40
David, maybe Silva is just one more victim of the EFC problem?
Andrew James
97 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:39:46
Steve

To be fair to you, you've always consistently told us what Silva did before and that there were some puzzling things in our first 11 that were not indicative of his usual set up.

It dawned on me last season that Gylfi stuck out like a sore thumb when the rest of attack comprised of Richarlison, Walcott and Bernard. All speed merchants. I believe the perfect example of the football Silva wants to play was at home versus Brighton last season. We sucked them into a changeover and got the third goal courtesy of pace.

There were other examples but that one sticks in my mind.

People can be quite rude to you Steve but I respect you not getting into slanging matches and having the courage of your convictions.

Steve Ferns
98 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:45:49
Thanks Andrew. I hope I get an explanation on what happened one day. I fear we only saw glimpses of what Marco Silva could achieve (Man Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal games were examples).

I thought Gylfi might work if you pack the rest of the side with pace. But having Davies and Schneiderlin behind and Tosun ahead was just brainless. What on Earth was he thinking?

It must have been something like “let them worry about us” on the basis of how we played at the Saints. But come on the difference in size from saints (one of the biggest) to Norwich (the smallest) and speed with saints being one of the slowest sides and Norwich being one of the fastest, surely that'd make you think you'd need a bit more pace in there?

John Boon
99 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:58:43
I would never want Everton to lose under any circumstances. While we may have had some bad luck it is certainly not the main reason we are in this position. Silva alone is also not responsible for the desperate situation we are in. It is due to bad management all round. We have signed incompetent managers who in turn have made a complete mess of signing players who have proved to be lousy signings.

However I think it is ludicrous to accept anything other than the fact that Silva is completely out of his depth. A poor manager deserves valid criticism and I would have no problem accepting his dismissal, hopefully with a man who can prevent us from being relegated. YES, that is how bad it has become. From predictions of a top four place to a genuine struggle to stay in the league.

Everton can not afford to be relegated. I was a twelve year old boy when we were relegated in 1951 and at that time it was not the death knell that it has become today. Many teams Burnley, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Derby were able to compete and win and become Champions and even be relegated.

Everton over the past twenty or so years have been one of the worst managed teams in the football league. The appointment of Silva has only prolonged this disastrous sequence. I still do not go along with vile hateful obcenities thrown at him. In fact he is just one more overpaid fall guy for a system that is in complete disaray. We need a magician to bring about the changes that we would all like to see. Steve, you have wrapped all these problems in cotton wool.. I am sure you are a fine Evertonian but your desires to succeed have clouded your perspectives.

Jamie Crowley
100 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:01:12
Steve -

As someone who held onto the Martinez wagon too long, and got dog's abuse for it, I respect your stance.

I think you're dead wrong, but I respect it. 😜

Steve Ferns, TW regular, spent countless hours putting together "scouting analysis" of Marco Silva when he was appointed. Most of the tactics briefs were spot on.

Steve Ferns, TW regular, spent countless hours dissecting games and providing game analysis in columns after said games.

Steve Ferns, TW regular, has posted hundreds of times backing his man, creating a level of discussion and banter, along with controversy, that has given this reader hours of enjoyment. And the banter has been gold at points, and TW thrives on banter; TW is a well-oiled machine and at it's best when the debate rages.

So Steve, thank you. You don't deserve the nasty comments. I appreciate your contributions, no matter how wrong they may be. 😜

Steve doesn't need me to argue his point. He's a big boy. But I think Steve should be commended for what he does bring to this fabulous website, whether you agree with him or not.

Mark Guglielmo
101 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:09:18
Steve @98 now you've crossed a line that I can't tolerate!

Gylfi should be launched into the nearest volcano, never to be seen nor heard from again.

Cheers, mate. :-D

Andrew James
102 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:30:33
Steve

Agreed, I figured Gylfi was in there to add another type of threat to the opponents.

I'm never sure why Schneiderlin is in any team.

I also agree on the performances against those teams you mention. While we didn't necessarily play the way I expect of a Silva team, we were composed, controlled the tempo and expanded the pitch. It was good to see and makes the recent fall even more frustrating.

Jerome Shields
103 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:31:31
Steve, I think you are correct that Moshiri and Brands are thinking in terms of the 3-year plan. That is why no decision will be made regarding Silvas future in the immediate aftermath of the Norwich debacle and it also explains why a ready-made replacements has not been sourced. As yet, there is no threat of relegation, so they think they have time.

You are correct that they are looking at the various contributing factor regarding performance and Brands will have done detailed reports and conducted similar analysis to what you have put forward.

At the start of the 3-year plan it was decided that Silva, who was given a three year contract, could perform sufficiently to keep Everton in the Premier League and make gradual progress so that Everton would be challenging in terms of League position and in the second year would progress in the Cup competition. There was no interest in Cup competitions last season.

So there will be no knee jerk reaction regarding Silva, but the plan and Everton progress in relation to it will be looked act, in terms of Brands analysis. They will be concerned by Silva's capitulation against Norwich, he appeared to have given up or lost his way.

There are factors that will also be considered. Brands progress reducing the wages bill and offloading of deadwood. The difficulty of recruiting new signings, where a reluctance to play for Everton was an issue, causing Brands to take risks with injury-prone players and the assessment of how risk/performance has worked out. The fact that Moshiri has not got full control and previous regime staff seem embedded in the Club, which appears a to be a no go area, for Moshiri and Brands.

The problem now, is the plan showing signs of progress and if not how can it be got back on track. It obvious changing the Manager is considered the last option.

But Steve unlike you I think there other problems which where not envisaged as being barriers to the plan implementation, namely the Culture of Everton Football Club, which has underpinned the underperformance for years and continues to do so.

So the problem is that Silva was not able to overcome this barrier and will not do so. Moshiri and Brands may not even be aware of its influence.

So Silva may be able to provide results in the immediate future in the League and may get a bit of a cup run, but he is destined to be rep!aced and not receive a further contract. It is apparent that Silva would not be able to take Everton to the next level, since there are doubts he will be able to get Everton to the performance to the original expectations expected.

Moshiri/Brands decision will be based in continuing the three year plan and a replacement will be recruited in that context.

Silva is a goner either sooner or later.

Don Alexander
104 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:40:24
Steve, I too recognise your commitment to seeking the best for our club but, as far as I'm concerned, it's getting increasingly difficult to prise Silva into the equation for achieving success.

For sure he's far from the only culprit at Everton but as manager he's the only one in the cross-hairs of fan/media scrutiny on a daily basis. Others at the club, from the owner, boardroom, players and Finch Farm, are under nowhere near that sort of pressure or scrutiny and to me they all remain passively grateful for that, including Moshiri.

The club is weak, from top to bottom and, as you have spent all your efforts promoting Silva, I want to bore readers again by reminding them of the one person who's been in the boardroom as owner or chairman during the decades we've become so weak.

Maybe, just maybe, we need to be rid of him before we can expect any new manager to on his own cleanse the swamp of mediocrity created by our self-proclaimed greatest fan.

(And, for the avoidance of doubt, in saying that I don't mean Darren Hind or Jay Wood!)

Alan J Thompson
105 Posted 27/11/2019 at 03:53:09
"If at first you don't succeed try,try again then give up. No point making a damn fool of yourself." - WC Fields

Seems to apply to both sides of the white line.

James Hill
106 Posted 27/11/2019 at 03:56:35
Groan, what nonsense.
Jack Convery
107 Posted 27/11/2019 at 04:11:15
What happens if somehow Silva gets 6 or more points from the next five fixtures - how could they sack him then. Moshiri is counting on exactly that and has most probably told Brands that's his target given who we are playing. I as an Evertonian would normally want all 15 as we all would but realistically given the shit we are in 6 or more may well save his bacon - for now.
Jack Convery
108 Posted 27/11/2019 at 04:12:32
Forgot to say, Mrs Ferns (if there is one) is a lucky lady given the size of your gonads, Steve.
Tony Abrahams
112 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:04:03
Don@104, why spoil a very good post? the second paragraph especially is both thought provoking and also very true imo.

I’m praying for the miracle on 4th December street, because like you Don, I don’t want to keep changing managers until we can finally rid ourselves of “the messiah” (at least the life of Brian, was funny) but it looks like it’s over for Silva, and I just wish Moshiri started listening to some genuinely great, knowledgeable and fanatical Evertonians, and has hopefully stopped listening to the self proclaimer, even if I’ve still got visions of David Moyes, by the end of next week.

“Ps” I’m serious about Moshiri getting a meeting with a few Knowledgeable die-hard Evertonians, because he’d probably learn more in one hour, than he’s learned over the previous four years.

Dave Abrahams
114 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:28:08
Steve (98),Yes Silva has given us glimpses of what his teams can provide and at the the season I had realistic hopes that we would have a good team to watch, it has never looked back since the first, very poor game at Crystal Pal.mostly gone steadily worse, due to injuries, VAR and some bad luck, but mostly due to the inefficiency of Silva, and I don’t have to tell you about that, incidentally not getting a centre back and a striker in didn’t help his cause, but I think it is right to let him go now, he hasn’t helped himself in far to many games.

By the way Steve I wouldn’t quote that Chelsea home game as one of the good games, Chelsea destroyed us in the first half of that game and should have been out of sight at half time, then again we did win 1-0.

Ajay Gopal
115 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:28:02
Well played, Steve. I don't think you believe in Silva blindly, but you desperately want him to succeed because that means Everton is successful. If he fails, then it is back to square one and another painful rebuilding process. Silva is on thin ground, but looks like he has been given a stay of execution (for the time being). In sport, there is always hope (agree with Darren with that one) - without hope, why would you even support a team? I remember the Indian cricket team going into the 1983 World Cup - the all conquering Windies had their greatest players in their prime (Lloyd, Richards, Greenidge, Holding, Roberts, Dujon, Marshall). India had never won a World Cup one-day match against any reputed cricketing country in the previous 2 World Cups. We were the laughing stock of one day cricket. But the summer of 1983 changed all that and incredibly, India became World Champions beating the West Indies in an unforgettable match. That is a sporting miracle that I and millions other were witness to. Miracles do happen. The question is: Does Marco still believe in himself and his players? Can he rouse his players to believe in themselves and make them play like their lives depended on it? Can he get rid of his failed tactics and make major changes in whom he selects? I consider it highly unlikely that we will beat one of Liverpool/Leicester but the away matches may just be the right environment for Silva to make the miracle happen. All the best, Steve (and to the rest of us Blues).
Steve Ferns
116 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:41:37
Cheers Ajay.

I think we have been swinging wildly from one style of manager to another in our recent managerial appointments. Consider them: Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva. We look at what's wrong with Moyes and hire someone who has strengths where he has flaws, then the same with Martinez and so on and so forth.

I would hope that Brands ensures that we don't go that way. That we say, ok Silva didn't work, but that does not mean the model is broke. So we go out and get someone who is what Silva was meant to be. One obvious example being the current unemployed Marcelino who could be parachuted in and make some significant but subtle changes and should be able to do what he does using this squad.

John Keating
118 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:19:43
Steve 116

Steve I appreciate your article and the various posts/replies to others, however, I am a bit confused.

You have, and continue, to back Silva in the face of everything many of us have seen, witnessed, experienced over the past 18 months.
You continue to try and fit everything we see of Silva in a good light and give reasons and excuses for his continual failures.
Your article again attempts to show us that Silva is still the right man.
Then I read the last paragraph of your 116 post

Sorry, totally confused

Martin Mason
119 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:31:43
To be fair, Silva answers to Brand the DoF, Brand to the CEO and the CEO to the Board and Chairman. Whilst we tend to concentrate on Silva he is small fry really; those responsible for the current demise at Everton are those who hired him and supervise him. To be fair, surely we should heap equal scorn on Brand?
Steve Ferns
120 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:43:57
It's simple, John. The if Silva is sacked now, then there is no arguing he failed as we sit 16th.

If we sign a flying winger who is meant to bomb up and down the wing, has a bag full of tricks and can supply the ammunition our strikers need, but then he turns out to be Bolasie or Van Der Meyde, we wouldn't go out and sign someone more like Kevin Kilbane. You'd go and get someone better who is still of the same type.

If Silva is sacked, then it means he didn't work out, but why can't you still go out and get the same type of manager in the same way you would still go out and get the same type of winger. You'd just ultimately go for one who can fit the profile.

Colin Metcalfe
121 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:55:08
Wow some very harsh responses on here, Steve has written a balanced view of what may or may not be going on behind the scenes.
I am pretty sure Silva’s goose is cooked unfortunately in this game is all about results and after a so called easy set of fixtures we have just 14 points out of a possible 39 , I guess if Silva has any chance of keeping his position then he must win the next two games which is a tall order however to Silva’s credit he normally does well against the top sides
I will be supporting our team and manager come saturday now matter what !!
John Keating
122 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:09:00
Steve
so we sit 16th. Even your good self was horrified by his team and tactics against Norwich.
There have been many similar games, tactics, teams and substitutions which have taxed the support over the last 18 months.
Silva has proved to be his own worse enemy.
So may I ask do you now accept he has been a failure and should be replaced as your post 116 certainly implies ?
If so, why continue to support him ?
Dave Harvey
123 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:10:17
if a manager tells you to do something and you think its wrong, do you still do it ?
Jerome Shields
124 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:00:23
In any company takeover, the buying company has to make sure that the taken over company adapts the culture of the parent company. The takeover is more likely to be successful if this is the case.

Moshiri in his takeover accepted the already existing Everton culture. This is where all the problems of his tenure started.

Steve Ferns
126 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:05:02
John, I still believe we are in a false position. I believe if given time, we will quickly climb the table.
Daniel A Johnson
127 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:09:30
The style of football has to fit the players.

We need to ditch the type of manager with rigid philosophies for a mangers who just get the best out of the players at their disposal.

The squad is awful and the failure of Silva tells me we have players who aren't up to the task of playing cultured football.

Daniel A Johnson
128 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:19:09
Steve [126] but what has Silva done that makes him deserve more time? How long do we wait?

Being well beaten by Sheff Utd (home), Norwich (home) and Aston villa is relegation form.

This is Silva's 2nd season and the direction of travel is down.

John P McFarlane
129 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:31:25
Everton are not in a false position, we are exactly where we deserve to be, given the below average performances we have witnessed so far this season. I concur that our position may not be as precarious as some supporters might believe but our current form and the fixtures we face between now and the start of 2020 doesn't offer much comfort to even the most optimistic of Evertonians.

If the team were putting in above average performances and we were a) keeping more clean sheets b) making and taking a greater number of chances, the supporters would be far more willing to accept the odd blip in progress, Silva's track record in England doesn't persuade me or many others that he has the fortitude and abiltiy to arrest a slide even when the odds are in his favour.

Injuries and suspensions have and will play a part in Everton's fortunes but under Silva we appear to be a hostage to those variables. His comments not to mention his body language, in the last few months, have the air of a man who has psychologically given up and if that is the case it's little wonder that save the odd 10-20 minute spells here and there his players often look as if they have too.

It would't surprise me if Silva has offered his resignation and the board has asked him to hang on until his replacement can be found. Although that's an unlikely scenario, it's the only valid reason I can offer for his stay of execution.

Moshiri has so far avoided the direct wrath of the Goodison faithful, could it be because he is using Bill Kenwright in the same way that Bill himself used David Moyes as his shield in times of difficulty?


Pat Kelly
130 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:35:10
Having read that, I have to admit that Silva's credibility has now surpassed that of Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny.
Mark Guglielmo
131 Posted 27/11/2019 at 14:55:37
Martin @119 kind of right. But Brands has been cut off at the knees just as much as Silva has. The DoF position does indeed report to the CEO (who mind you, has no qualifications to be a CEO). A successful business is built on the TRUST that each department & leadership position can and will carry out the goals & responsibilities of the position. If the DoF position is to own all things related to Everton's football club, then him and only him should be making those decisions. If he fails, he loses his job. That's how it works. The CEO oversees the business, and the Board holds that position accountable. Except the CEO sits on the Board! How can she be evaluating her performance when she's evaluating herself? It's a ridiculous structure that's designed to fail so it's no surprise that there's no clarity or sense to be made around how things work.

Jerome @124 Spot. On. Everton needs to decide if they're a business or a football club. Before anyone takes this too literally, they can (and should) be a business who's primary goods & services are professional sports in the form of EFC. When Moshiri took over, he simply flooded it with cash without overhauling the management structure, thus leaving all of the old guard "yes men" intact.

It really shouldn't come as any surprise that the Football Club is floundering given the broken hierarchy that's running it.

Bill Watson
132 Posted 27/11/2019 at 15:06:27
I agree that some managers appear to be 'lucky' but, unfortunately, Silva isn't one of them. There's also the adage that you make your own luck i. e. the most successful sides seem to be the luckiest.

He's lost players through injury but the fact remains that what we have is, at least on paper, a very talented squad but Silva seems unable to get a tune out of them.

Norwich was the best example but far from the only one. The statistic that we've never come back from behind (in the Prem) to win is damning.

Silva seems unable to learn from his mistakes. OK, he's abandoned zonal marking but sooner, or later, he'll bring it back. He abandoned it last swason, too, only for it to reappear this season.

He'd reluctant to give young players a chance which is, maybe, understandable given his current situation but surely the likes of Kean should be given more minutes?

His substitutions are often a sort of last throw of the dice by throwing forwards on in an attempt to rescue a situation he's caused in the first place. Very little thought appears to go into it.

Steve, I go to all the away games and he deserved dismissal on performances at Brighton, Southampton, Watford, Newcastle and Milwall just to name some.

This season has been exactly the same. One win and one draw in five away games against sides we should be easily beating. In over 60 years of watching Everton I've never seen so many dire performances in such a short space of time.

I think Silva has had too much time already. Not to sack him now is just delaying the inevitable. He just isn't up to it.

Jimmy Hogan
133 Posted 27/11/2019 at 17:53:14
Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?
Bismillah! No, we will not let you go
(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go
(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go
(Let me go) Will not let you go
(Let me go) Will not let you go
(Let me go) Ah
No, no, no, no, no, no, no
(Oh, mamma mia, mamma mia) Mamma mia, let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me!
Adrian evans
134 Posted 27/11/2019 at 18:04:22
Steve, can't argue with everything you laid out as facts.

But, 14 points 13 games. Next four games 0 points, but their football games and he has done okay-ish against top sides. But 14 points 17 games. Out Carabo, maybe not? Beat Burnley 17 points 18 games, go to Man City. 18 games,17 points.

If he stayed? Relegation.

Get Rafa in. He won the Championship??? First time. He also won Premier Leagues, so he can do that 2020-21 season, oh good measure he can take us to Champions League success in 2021-22, ready to move into new stadium.

Let's get real. We might need Rafa cos we might be in the Championship with this squad.

Plan for worse, hope for best. Arteta, Howe?? Moyes, we'd be in the Championship for ever.

1963 been going, this is serious, well by 6 January it will be.

Need to ship Silva out now. Give the team to Tim Cahill until Rafa arrives.

Well let Rafa pick the team from China tell Tim what to do.

Can't be worse than Silva.

Derek Taylor
135 Posted 27/11/2019 at 18:46:44
Mark @ 131, I don't know in which country you hold court but it is customary in British companies for the performance review of the CEO to be conducted by the Chair or his/her deputy.

I understand that before 'the EFC takeover', formal Board meetings were rare and voting non existant. Since, Moshiri as owner and Kenwright as chair make the big football decisions after speaking to Brands and their own personal advisors.

Corporate Governance is not high on any EFC agenda and who reviews whom would be unlikely to be of much concern.

This is Everton.

Lenny Kingman
136 Posted 27/11/2019 at 19:07:56
In response to the genuine heartfelt post by Steve and all the other responses throughout.

In the words that Sir Geoffrey Boycott likes to use, the continuing impasse at Everton "is all a load of bloody rubbish".

Not the club or its supporters, Steve Ferns or dare I say it, Marco Silva. It's the myopic vision of people currently running the institution that is Everton FC.

They don't know what they are doing.

Mark Guglielmo
137 Posted 27/11/2019 at 19:08:04
Derek (above) the U.S., coming from someone who spent a fair amount of time in corporate culture. You've validated my point, so thanks.

"The CEO oversees the business, and the Board holds that position accountable. Except the CEO sits on the Board! How can she be evaluating her performance when she's evaluating herself? It's a ridiculous structure that's designed to fail so it's no surprise that there's no clarity or sense to be made around how things work."

So the difference here is that it's only Kenwright who would evaluate DBB? 'Cause that's worse! Seeing as how she's his "little Miss Dynamite." lol

Either/or, it's a poor structure (for Everton) because apparently no one is accountable for anything. Businesses do fail when this happens, and it's possible (I hope not) this has begun to happen. All of Mosh's money is being squandered meaninglessly because he didn't wipe out the old, and bring in an actually qualified leadership team. Brands seems to be an effort to do so, but has he been allowed to do his job without interference? I hope that's happening and we simply don't know it. *crosses fingers*

Rob Marsh
138 Posted 27/11/2019 at 19:39:08
What's Moshiri thinking? Perhaps this.........

Head in hands:

"What the fuck is wrong with me, that I would allow this Kenwright character to swindle my money off me and invest it in this no-hope club?"

Tears begin to flow:

"My best friend, good old Alisher Usmanov does not want anything to do with this clusterfuck of a club, he's not returning my calls. I can't raise a single penny for the new stadium, all the banks think we're going down!"

Enraged, he stares off into to space whilst grinding his teeth and clenching his fists, then roars:

"There has to be a mug as gullible as me out there who'll buy this pup from me!"

Derek Taylor
139 Posted 27/11/2019 at 20:00:14
Mark: I understand from fellow 'old-timers', that in 'days of the Moores' executives were evaluated by Littlewoods Personnel staff. That was probably appropriate given that the company used to pay most of their wages !

My information is that once Kenwright took the chair, everything became very informal with a quick ten minutes natter after a game being regarded as 'a meeting of directors.' Given that Uncle Bill lived and worked in London and with other so-called directors in other parts of the globe, I guess formality via a code of governance was never seen as practical. I imagine that telephone and, more recently, internet conferences provided a means of communication and as well as material for minuting.

I have no information on how corporate governance operates since the takeover although I do believe that DBB is experienced enough to ensure that proper standards are established and maintained.

Mark Guglielmo
140 Posted 27/11/2019 at 20:06:59
Derek all I read was "kill Bill" :-D

Rob M, it's possible the Russkie isn't returning calls because he's been brought up on charges for tax evasion or something. Wouldn't put it past him!

Nicholas Ryan
141 Posted 29/11/2019 at 13:58:03
I don't agree with the basic premise of this piece; but, it is well thought out, considered and logical, unlike the majority of the predictably splenetic responses to it.

A few points:

Although the present position is precarious, it would be disastrous, if we were the ONLY team having such problems. We are not, Arsenal are in turmoil, Man U are struggling, and Spurs have seen fit to sack a manager, who by common consent, is among the best in the game.

Who are thriving, while we are not? … Leicester and Sheffield Utd. teams playing very direct, fast, simple football …. dare I say it, Championship football. We need to be faster in attack, and maybe simpler at the back.

There is a growing gap, between 'Managers' and 'Coaches'. Marco Silva, and Roberto Martinez were, by all accounts, very good coaches, but of questionable managerial ability. Davey Moyes was a better manager, but, I suspect, not the world's greatest coach. Is it time for a dual appointment? E.g. Arteta to coach, Cahill to manage?

Idrissa Gueye left, and in reality, we couldn't have hung on to him. Gbamin might have been a half-decent replacement, but we still don't know. Centre-back: I believe, that we were 'given the nod' by Chelsea, that Kurt Zouma would have been made available at the last minute in the January window; hence why we didn't look for anyone else. Then, the David Luiz bombshell dropped, which absolutely no-one saw coming. It was too late in the window to do anything, so Chelsea kept Zouma. I think they did not expect him to be the success he has been, this season.

Striker: Recently OG-S said that Man U didn't sign a striker in the last window, as there was no-one worth signing. Quite!

Most Evertonians turned their noses up at signing Chris Smalling or Marcos Rojo as defensive cover 'No more Man U rejects etc.' Smalling now has several Serie A clubs queueing up to sign him, and O G-S has said that Rojo will not be allowed to leave, because of his excellent current form.

We all think we know football, and we know people, and how they will react, but we don't. We've had a little bit of bad management and a lot of bad luck. Consolidate this season, and look to attack, next.

We are not sufficiently proud of the fact, that we have always been in the Premier League: Newcastle have not, Aston Villa have not, Leicester have not, Norwich have not, Crystal Palace have not; Leeds and Nottingham Forest [European Cup winners in my lifetime] have hardly been in it at all.

We are a big club, we are a good club, we are a proud club. We are having a hard time at the moment, but it will change. So, 'Keep calm and carry on!' as the cliché goes.

Bit of a 'round the houses' ramble, but there we are!

Derek Knox
142 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:53:59
Having read through most of the posts, I can't understand why people are feeling sorry for Silva. Okay, injuries, a few decisions and VAR have gone against us, but the style of our general play has invited it.

He has rarely if at all picked the best combination, to best deal with the opposition, whoever they may be, and it's not as if apart from injuries, he was limited to fourteen players.

Besides, he is not doing us any unpaid favour, he is handsomely rewarded for a job, which is results- (hence League Position) and entertainment-driven, to date has hardly delivered on either front.

Considering the easy fixture list we had at the start of this campaign, he has abjectly failed (while I appreciate we don't have a right to win these games). I believe they were winnable (mostly) but stubborn and unimaginative team selections handed the opposition the upper hand on a plate.

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