Blades cut to the heart of Blues' incompetence

By Michael Kenrick 21/09/2019 320comments  |  Jump to last
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André Gomes, who missed the Bournemouth game with a rib injury, is still ruled out

Everton were back at home hoping to use their Goodison Park fortress to get them back to winning ways against Sheffield United after last Sunday's huge disappointment at Bournemouth. but that is not the way things panned out, as 70% possession saw no goals scored and two painfully conceded.

Moise Kean starts up-front with Richarlison and Bernard. Iwobi, Davies, Tosun and Calvert-Lewin are on the bench. Gomes and Gbamain are out injured.

For Sheffield Utd, Phil Jagielka is on the Bench but Everton Academy graduate circa 2015, John Lundstram starts.

It was fairly lively stuff from both sides after The Blades kicked off, some fine team play winning a corner on 3 mins, that Sigurdsson looped in to little real effect. Sigurdsson then tried a shot that was blocked at source. Richarlison then did brilliantly to retain possession and curl his effort beyond the angle.

Everton's passing was pretty crisp, but it needed to be, as the visitors swarmed klienfelder energetically to cut down space, with the Blues strategy of advancing down the flanks not yielding much. Ricarlison worked the ball well to put in a tasty cross that went to nobody. Schneiderlin then had a chance to shoot, deflected well wide.

Moise Kean was caught in a sandwich but tricked his way out of it only to be dragged down, the lineman deciding to give the call the other way.

Delph was scythed down by Norwood but Hooper played the advantage as Everton moved the ball around until Sigurdsson's cross was headed out with Kean threatening, Norwood was then booked.

With 68% possession, the Blues were running through the gamut of plays, Sigurdsson putting it up n a good cross for Kean, headed wide. Bernard and Baldock, chasing a nothing ball, tussled Baldock pushing Bernard after the Brazilian had grappled but not elbowed him. Handbags and bookings ensued.

When they were actually playing football, the pattern of the game was well entrenched, Everton trying to advance down the right flank mainly but not making any impression despite massive amounts of possession, it ending up back at Pickford far too many times.

When they finally got forward, Digne got to the byeline but crossed straight at Henderson, and out for a corner that was worked around for a spectacular effort from Richarlison that was way off target.

A faster move led to a bobbling ball from Dige to Kean, and the most awful execution from the young Italian, hitting the Park End roof with his wayward shot. Bernard then won a corner with some tricky work, the 5th, with the same inadequate result, Kean penalized for pushing off a defender.

Each Everton attack frustratingly fizzled out for one reason or another, without really threatening the Blades goal, epitomised by Richarlison's overhit cross, but he did then win the 6th corner, which was defended effectively. Richarlison at the other end then gave Sheffield Utd their first corner, superbly delivered and past Pickford off Mina's shoulder. VAR confirmed.

Kean picked out Rcharlison with a fine cross that he should have buried but didn't and the miserable script of a frustrating game edged toward half-time with an air of painful inevitability, Everton losing at home, with that unwanted record of not being able to come back after conceding first in the Premier League.

A late chance came after Richarlison was fouled, Digne firing his free-kick into the wall before the half-time whistle blew.

The Blues resumed the acton... or more like inaction as the ball was cycled around in the Everton half with zero penetration, Richarlison eventually resorting to a strange cross-shot that flew away. Baldock again fouled Bernard but no penalty.

Everton were demonstrating with increasing certainty that they had absolutely no idea how to break down the resolute defensive wall the Blades had constructed, forcing Silva into thinking about (for him) early changes, as The Blades threatened from a corner. Tosun and Iwobi replaced Bernard and Schneiderlin. At least something different from Silva.

More of a threat now from two Sigurdsson corners, Kean being blocked by Henderson and then defended for two more corners (that's now 10!) as Everton piled on the pressure but could not create even half a chance. Tosun got behind the Blades defence but was a long way offside.

Richarlison was wiped out going for a 30/70 ball as Jagielka replaced Norwood, to an overly generous reception from the lovely Goodison faithful. Another blatant foul on Richarlison went uncalled (maybe it's the way he goes to ground?) as Everton kept huffing and puffing around the periphery of the Blades area.

As the changes had not really had that much effect, Silva's masterstroke was to bring on Theo Walcott with 20 minutes left, the increasingly ineffective Seamus Coleman going off.

To be fair, Walcott's first cross caused plenty of panic in the Blades defence but no clear chance on goal. Kean was again a victim of the physicality of the Premier League, going down easily and then getting trodden on with little sympathy extended from referee Hooper.

Kean then Tosun got close enough to get a sight of goal but desperate defence thwarted each attempt, with Kean volleying a shot that barely skimmed the top of the bar. At the other end, a corner for visitors was quickly cleared upfield as time ticked away relentlessly.

It was game over as Lundstrum set up a beautiful chance for Mousset that he slid expertly through Pickford's legs and into the Everton net. If the third goal given up at Bournemouth was bad, this was inconceivable.

Whatever happened in the rest of the game was inconsequential as the Blues faithful began to desert their seats and leave a hugely frustrated Goodison Park, with Pickford probably set to receive much of the blame for both goals conceded.


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Brian Murray
1 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:02:27
How Scneiderlin, Sigurdsson and especially Coleman have kept their places after last time is beyond me. Disgrace.
Ciarán McGlone
2 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:06:10
Hard to understand why Iwobi has been hooked.
Brian Hennessy
3 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:06:14
I see from his team selection that it's the same rubbish formation again today from our one-dimensional manager. Is it any wonder our centre-forwards score so few goals being so isolated.

Dave Abrahams
4 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:06:42
Iwobi on the bench and Sigurdsson playing? I hope that works out.
Kevin Prytherch
5 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:12:57
With that line up we need an early goal or else

Sheff Utd will begin the game on the back foot, effectively having 9 men behind the ball.

Everton will play ponderous sideways passing.

Sigurdsson will find no space to play in and will be largely anonymous.

Schneiderlin will look ok at first, however the longer we take to score, the more Schneiderlin and Delph will become isolated in midfield.

Sheff Utd will grow in confidence and begin to overrun us in the centre of midfield.

Our defenders will then be on the back foot and they will carve out a number of good openings.

The game will open up and, if we score late, it will be another fortunate victory.

When the game does open up, Sigurdsson will come more into the game and will be praised for his good performance when in reality he will have done nothing for the first hour.

The alternative is
If we score early then Sheff Utd will come at us more and will play into our hands, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson will both have a good game if this happens and Silva will be labelled a genius.

Annika Herbert
6 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:28:56
How badly does Sigurdsson have to play before he gets dropped?!!
Ian Lloyd
7 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:33:19
Unbelievable - how can sideways bob keep getting picked ?!?! Drop Iwobi ?!?!?

I am no DCL fan but why does this charlatan insist on picking him then dropping him, picking him then dropping him ?!?!

Why not try Kean and DCL together for a change?!?

Win or lose today - he has to go

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

8 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:36:19
Thanks for that, Kevin.

Saves us all from watching the game.

Christy Ring
9 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:37:04
Silva still plays his tried and trusted, what does Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson have to do to get dropped. Why does he need to play two defensive midfielders.
Frank Crewe
10 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:40:53
Sidibe not even on the bench. Out of favour or injured?
Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:45:02
Puzzled again by the subs. One defender. If we play with one striker do we need two strikers on the bench? What's the scenario where we say "oh we need to have Tosun's skill set here as opposed to DCL" or vice versa. If Digne gets hurt what do we do stick Iwobi at LB? Even if Baines is injured I'd sooner see Martina on the bench as an emergency back up.
Steve Ferns
12 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:52:55
Kieran, i’d Always have a full back and a centre back on the bench. It’s a risky strategy and screams being worried about needing to chase the three points.
Fran Mitchell
13 Posted 21/09/2019 at 14:55:07
4 attackers on the bench - so if we're chasing it still with 20 minutes to spare Silva can pull his tactical masterclass of 3-1-5 that he so likes to do.

Surely, but surely, when players are injured, that is the opportunity to give some youngsters a chance on then bench - rather than 4 different strikers.

Anyway, hopefully a confident 2-0 win.

Ian Lloyd
14 Posted 21/09/2019 at 15:41:32
Get rid ! And get rid after today’s game !
Jim Marray
15 Posted 21/09/2019 at 15:44:21
So 0-1 down and under Silva we have never won a game having gone behind. Let's hope today is the day he breaks his duck
Frank McGregor
16 Posted 21/09/2019 at 15:49:03
Looks like another change is required at the managerial level. Benítez to be contacted ASAP.
Fran Mitchell
17 Posted 21/09/2019 at 15:55:28
Oh ffs. So we really have to wait for Silva to drag us to 15th to make a move?

Marcelino is available, Just saying.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

18 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:00:03
Ridiculous, isn't it?

All the stats favouring Everton, but the one that counts.

We have six corners and the delivery from our dead ball specialists didn't give us a sniff of a chance from any of them. They win their one and only corner five minutes before half-time, an excellent delivery sees their players running off ours attacking the ball, spooking Pickford who has to get a fist on the ball. Mina an unfortunate own goal.

They are leading - and haven't even registered a shot on goal!

Our two Brazilians are playing well. Kean, other than the cross he made to give Richarlison the chance of a headed equaliser, once again peripheral.

Nobody is playing 'badly'. Richarlison looks the most likely to score of his own making, cutting inside from the right. But nobody is producing the magic to suggest we can create good scoring opportunities.

As things stand, I can't see Kean staying on much longer in the second half.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:00:43
One of my biggest gripes with Silva has been his failure to successfully adapt tactics when things are not going our way. Hence our failure so far to win when behind. If that trend continues over the next hour the question marks have to get larger.
Lee Brownlie
20 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:01:46
Dog Shit. Dog shit. In fact, I'd PREFER dogshit!!!

Fuck this!!!

Fran Mitchell
21 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:02:26
Cue the Silva tactical masterplan: DCL for Kean, Walcott for Delph, Iwobi for Bearnard. 4-1-1-4.
Cristobal Aguirre
22 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:02:36
It is definitely a relegation battle. We have the worst manager in all the league by distance... mmm not but far distance in fact. Apart from that we have the a terrible midfielders and a strikers who can not score a goal even if the goal is a rainbow. apart from Richarlison, Pickford and Digne no one deserve to play for us nowadays. Maybe Iwobi, Gomes and Kean could be useful, the rest is garbage. I will sign 100 times a draw against Sheffield and perhaps I will sign a 2-0 defeat, just to see some changes for the uncertain future. I miss so much players like Carsley, he is 10000000 times all our midfielders.
Kevin Prytherch
23 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:05:17
I’m not watching the game, but I’m guessing that my predictions in post 4 are correct - up to the part where they start to see a few openings?

Didn’t actually expect them to score.

Like for like subs with two anonymous players in Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson staying on the pitch?

Cristobal Aguirre
24 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:07:15
Kevin 22 you are absolutely correct.
Cristobal Aguirre
25 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:11:20
I hope Tosun could do something... at least he feels the t-shirt
Jim Marray
26 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:29:53
To rub salt in the wound on comes the headless chicken.
Christy Ring
27 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:33:46
Changing the formation, it shows he's out of his depth, and how is Sigurdsson not replaced?
Ian Lloyd
28 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:37:39
He's got to go!
Gerry Ring
29 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:37:44
Time to call the Taxi!!!!!!
Dave O\'Connell
30 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:40:40
Get rid of Silva for God's sake!!
Frank Crewe
31 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:40:42
I'll bet Silva just jumped to the front in the Premier League sack race. He's lost the plot again.
Cristobal Aguirre
32 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:41:42
I told to my Everton friends before the match that I would sign 100 times a draw. They told me that I was crazy. Definitely I was not.
John Davies
33 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:41:48
I've been saying it for weeks and have had posters telling me I'm an idiot. Get him out. The guy is clueless.
Andy Mead
34 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:42:02
The system is not working. It's predictable and boring.

If Silva is not sacked right now, the board have no balls. We are going nowhere under this clown.

The only problem is, who will Moshori hire next? His record is disgraceful as far as hiring managers

Ian Lloyd
35 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:42:21
He has never ever been a manager this guy

Charlatan! And we head-hunted him!!?! What is that all about?!?!

Shocking at Watford, shocking at hull and we go and head hunt him ?!?

Unbelievable!

Trevor Peers
36 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:44:15
Hope Moshiri doesn't back him he has to act quickly now surely he must of seen this coming !
Cristobal Aguirre
37 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:44:54
Moyes is the answer, even if it hurt.
Dave O\'Connell
38 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:46:03
Keep Silva and he will do what he did to Hull.

Watford tried to believe in him but he is not up to the job.
Ian Lloyd
39 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:46:37
Instead of paying £50 million for rubbish players

Why don't we break the bank for a proven manager

- Wenger with a young understudy?

- Mourinho with a young understudy?

Someone who knows how to set a team up with a game plan at least!

We need someone who can put this stinking club back on track somehow abs fast!

Jim Marray
40 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:47:56
So what else can I say but I told you so. Silva should never have been appointed, he was so similar to Martinez, it was obvious he would not deliver. Today just proves that point so well.

We need a new seasoned manager who knows the importance of runners when looking to beat teams that defend in-depth, knows that seven passes to get over the halfway line is far too many passes, understands you need a player with vision in the middle and that the job of the defensive midfielder is to win the ball back and give it to the visionary to release the fleet of foot so they can score.

Maybe it is time to give Arteta a chance because he certainly coaches a team that delivers that style of football.

Fran Mitchell
41 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:48:14
Marcelino got Valencia into the Champions League two seasons on the trot, and won the cup. They were in crisis after crisis before that. He's available.

No-brainer.

Dave O\'Connell
42 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:51:48
It was nowhere near this bad under Martinez and he got the axe. I pray by tomorrow so has this clown.
Cristobal Aguirre
43 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:54:58
Good job for the stupid one, I hope he will be sacked immediately.
Fran Mitchell
44 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:55:35
There is no defending is manager,
It is just woeful. Woeful.

Silva, get out of this club!

Joe McMahon
45 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:55:50
Dave @41, I'm not saying I wanted him, but it was a lot better with Allardyce than what we have now.

In Moshiri We Trust. Absolute laughing stock. Joke of a club!

Kevin Molloy
46 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:56:16
The real question now is: Who the hell do we bring in??? I hate to say it, but the point of having a director of football is so they can handle this. So we could be getting some fucking nonentity from Holland
Cristobal Aguirre
47 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:57:18
Moyes Moyes Moyes
Bill Gienapp
48 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:57:43
If you read my piece about the Wolves match... that was the exact performance I was afraid of. My condolences if anyone was making their first trip to Goodison for that.
Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 21/09/2019 at 16:58:58
I said on Thursday we would lose this 1-3. Close enough. Not taking satisfaction from the prediction but I am frustrated at how predictable the outcome was based on our obvious flaws, their strengths, and our complete lack of imagination to make a plan B. I felt Silva was a joker before he came here. I still think he's a joker, only he's not a funny haha Ken Dodd joker, he is a delusional Batman style joker.
Frank Crewe
50 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:00:16
It's amazing. We spend millions on players yet skimp on the manager. It just doesn't add up.
Could be worse I suppose. We could be Watford supporters.
Alastair Donaldson
51 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:00:24
What was Goodison like today atmosphere wise? Have the fans at large given up or just the ToffeeWebbers as yet?
Cristobal Aguirre
52 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:01:02
Next week we will be Watford supporters... I predict a two digits defeat.
Steve Ferns
53 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:02:18
That was one of the worst performances I’ve seen. Silva had a nightmare. His subs were too early and like a 5 year old was telling him what to do. Throw on more and more attackers and take off defenders.

The issue was in the middle and that meant Davies or Iwobi coming on for Sigurdsson. We needed the ball to get it into dangerous areas. Kean and Tosun didn’t have a chance between them.

Furious at that. No one gets any credit here.

Simon Smith
54 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:03:26
I have to admit, I really thought we would kick on this season. I accepted villa away (eventually) but these last 2 defeats are disgraceful.
The expectation of winning is dissipating now, being replaced with the acceptance that we are an embarrassment.
I love football but can’t have anything to do with it when Everton lose.........until next game.
Fuck knows why so many of us put up with it. I guess we have no choice!
Steve Ferns
55 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:03:29
The atmosphere was good until they scored.
Steve Ferns
56 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:06:07
It ruins the whole week, never mind the weekend Simon.
Mike Powell
57 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:07:38
Embarrassing, nothing else to say
Tommy Coleman
58 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:09:33
Dreadful. Did we create a chance? The Coleman substitution and tactics sums up Silva. PE teacher in charge. I'd hoped he'd learned after last season, he hasn't and should be getting much more out of those players.
Mourinho?
Kunal Desai
59 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:12:09
This reminded me of the time when Martinez lost away at Southampton in December 3-0. He never came back from it and neither will Silva, sadly incompetent owner in Moshiri will keep him on until the summer
Steve Brown
60 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:12:31
From the moment they scored the first, we were done. Both the manager and the team panicked. Silva took out a central midfielder and defender, leaving us wide open to the counter attack when it was only 1-0. Who knows what the exact formation was in the last 15 minutes? Certainly the team didnt.

Silva has lost the plot this season in terms of team selection, formation, tactics and substitutions. My patience with him has expired.

Steve Ferns
61 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:12:44
Mourinho? Stop with the delusions of grandeur. He’s set for Real Madrid anyway. We wouldn’t get anyone of that level.
Brian Hennessy
62 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:12:58
Make no mistake about it, if we keep this clown as manager he will get us relegated sooner or later. He hasn't got a clue what he is doing.
His team selections don't make sense.
His formation doesn't make sense
His substitutions don't make sense
He doesn't get his players motivated
We tried him, it isn't working, not going to work, get rid of him.

I would give it to Unsworth again until we can find a new manager. At least he has a clue what he is doing

Fran Mitchell
63 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:13:24
The predictability of his subs are an embarrassment, a signal to a manager with not a fucking clue. Zero tactical astuteness.

But to be fair, keep him until the City game. Let him take that embarrassing defeat, then sack him and start afresh.

Danny Baily
64 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:13:27
I'd have no complaints about a wholesale clear out in terms of the coaching staff.

We have the players to steer clear of danger.

Rob Marsh
65 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:14:17
Steve # 61

Wouldn't want him, he's not so special anymore.

John Voigt
66 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:14:48
Dreadful performance.

Silva out!!!

Jim Bennings
67 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:15:03
Can’t even be arsed commenting on it anymore!

It’s Everton isn’t it?

Laughing stock of the city as per usual, as long suffering fans we are used to it.

All this “In Brands we Trust” shit!?

I’m sorry but we had another monumental cock up of a summer yet again, failing to rectify problem areas.

Nothing changes, frankly nothing ever will.

Fran Mitchell
68 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:15:43
Worst part is, another season down the drain already, and we ain't even in October.
Kevin Prytherch
69 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:16:36
Post 4.

If we can see exactly what is going to happen lining up against a team like that, why can’t the manager whose being paid millions?

Jay 8 - I wish all my prediction was correct. I’m glad I saved myself the bother of watching it.

John Boon
70 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:17:38
Silva has lost all credibility. Unfortunately all the comments indicate complete frustration. It is understandable and easy to be critical of a coach who seems to have lost the plot and only shows that he is not up to the challenges of being a Premier league manager. What is more frustrating is that he does have good players and should have been able to have a plan to beat Aston Villa, Bournemouth and certainly Sheffield United. Let's face it Sheffield United were awful and should never have been able to score never mind WIN. Look forward to the visit of eight goals Man C.
Paul Tran
71 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:17:58
Finally we get to the Koemanesque point where Silva throws anyone on in the hope that something happens. And it didn't. Now the papers will call him 'beleaguered'. At the very least, Moshiri & Brands will be thinking about a possible next appointment.
Jim Bennings
72 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:18:09
t was so obvious we needed a experienced striker (or two) instead we end up with a understudy to DCL who’s nowhere near ready.

We’ll struggle to score 30 goals this season.

Christy Ring
73 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:20:22
Don't think moral could be any lower, Silva has to go. His tactics are clueless, how was Iwobi dropped instead of Sigurdsson, who was shocking again today, and taking off Bernard, who was probably our best attacking threat, was totally mystifying. We ended up shapeless, toothless and a total shambles.
Ian Wells
74 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:20:35
As with Simon Smith I've no idea why we put up with such rubbish. Everton's fortress defence towards the end of last season was because Zooma was there. Keane hasn't a clue sadly. Schneiderlin what does he actually bring to the game?Mind you I did actually see him pass a ball forward against against Bournemouth! He's just like the Chelsea crab always passes back or sideways not a clue. Get rid along with Silva. Silva just wants to be the most handsome premier league manager not tactically the best. He's got to go awful stuff and why the hell don't Everton shoot! Bloody awful!!
James Byrne
75 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:20:48
Danny @64

Spot on and I've said this for years now and especially during Allardyce, Koeman and Martinez. What is the common factor between all those managers! It is the core coaching staff and mainly people like Duncan Ferguson.

What the fuck do these coaches actually coach when setting up a team of supposed talented players. The standard of football has been shocking this season and something has to give.

Derek Knox
76 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:21:02
I hope no-one comes on accusing the fans on TW as being pessimistic or moaners, what the hell was that we saw this afternoon?

Equally, I hope no-one comes and defends Silva, as I assume the majority spotted a fraud before he was appointed, but were prepared to back him, oh how he has let everyone down!

There is no way, he can possibly stay now, like Danny @64, says I believe we have the players, who just need a proper Manager to coach them with purpose. Some shouting for Brands too, I can't see why, he has provided reasonable ammunition (maybe a bit over-priced in some cases) but Silva has pissed on that and it is incapable of use.

Sam Hoare
77 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:21:03
Jim@70; yes I agree. I think Kean will prove a talent in time but he is not what we needed for this season; would have much preferred Haller.

Also the lack of fast CB. Bad luck about Gbamin.

Brands left Silva a squad with notable holes it. Though even then Silva is not getting the best out of what he has currently.

Eric Paul
78 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:22:05
Sack him now he hasn’t got a clue and the DCL bashers must think he’s Dixie Dean compared to Kean
Fran Mitchell
79 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:22:12
Jim, the problems run sonics deeper than the need for a 'no9'. We could have Ronaldo and would still struggle to score.

Silva just doesn't know how to set up the team, his tactics are woeful, we are slow on the ball, awful at set pieces, and we panic.

This is all down to the manager.

Simon Smith
80 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:22:36
I often wonder am I an Everton fan with depression, or have depression because I’m an Everton fan!
Rob Marsh
81 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:25:25
James # 75

You can coach them forever and a day, whether they actually listen to you or attempt what you've said is another matter.

They're just as guilty as Silva.

Eric Paul
82 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:25:29
Silva couldn’t motivate a drowning man to swim and is a tactical fuckin vacuum
Kieran Kinsella
83 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:26:53
Sam Allardyce took the view the players were crap so adopted a boring but essentially effective approach. Silva like RM seems to think the players are better than they are so essentially sends them out and just expects to win.

Pat Kelly
84 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:26:56
I remember when the season lasted till Christmas. I doubt Silva will.
Derek Knox
85 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:26:59
Simon @ 80, I believe it's the latter, and you are not the only one who is suffering, it's bordering on an epidemic!

Blue Fever/Silva poisoning!

Jeff Armstrong
86 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:27:03
Wenger, good shout.
Sam Hoare
87 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:27:12
I was very much a Silva advocate and have defended him many times. I haven't totally given up hope but today (and the rest of our season so far) will be a hard blow to rebound from. I would not be at all surprised to do better against the better teams as he relies heavily on the counter attack but its hard to envisage even that right now.

Make no mistake, he will not be sacked now. Even if we'd lost 10-0.

I'd say the earliest they would sack him is December and even then we'd probably have to be in bottom 6. Brands and Kenwright are big fans of giving managers time and know that the best managers are usually available in the summer not mid season.

Steve Ferns
88 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:28:03
It’s not all down to the manager. It’s not a PlayStation game. If you change the manager you don’t change the player. The players are not performing. It wouldn’t have mattered who was in charge today. Sure silva did everything wrong and made it worse but it’s not all him and you change the manager and suddenly it’s all good.
Simon Smith
89 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:28:10
Hahahahaha derek! Hopefully there will be a vaccine soon!
Phil Smith
90 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:30:26
I'm sorry but what the f**k is the boss playing at with that "team" selection??? Too many players out of form in the starting 11/squad, while we have the brightest kids in the country no way near getting on the bench even! This side needs a kick up the arse. I'd drop Siggy, Snides and Richie boy (bench only though) out of the match day squad completely and add Evans and Gordon! Players should be getting into the team on merit and if these clowns can't do anything then freshen it up!
No way Silver will ever do this though because he's too safe and predicable. If he actually has a game plan, I'd like to know what it is because, once again, he's out of his depth in the EPL. Clueless, tactically inept and too passive. Davies should have come on at the half to at least get a crap and chase down this, very organised, hard working Blades side. Only one "tea" out there today... Horrible to watch again.
Pat Kelly
91 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:32:16
Does a beleaguered manager belong in the B league ?
Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:32:41
Steve

It's not ALL down to the manager but he has to bring something to the table. Case in point, corners. How hard is it to practice scoring from set pieces when you have two massive center halves? We scored a header from Iwobi at Lincoln that looked good until Iwobi said in the press that everyone takes the piss out of him in training cause he can't header. So effectively, that goal was a fluke.

Derek Knox
93 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:33:06
Oh come on Steve, you can't exonerate him at all, and not just today's (non)performance but pre-season and the away games this season.

Even the home games where we have won, it has neither been convincing or showing any promise of getting better.

He's got to go simple as, I've seen earthworms with more back-bone!

Jim Bennings
94 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:33:18
I agree Fran it does go deeper than a Number 9 but it doesn’t help when the guy that’s up there can’t do anything remotely worthwhile with the ball, and can’t stand up!

It’s hard for young Moise, he’s nowhere near ready, especially to solve a goal scoring problem in a bad team like ours, Lukaku played in mediocre teams but he carried us through because he was (at Everton anyway) a top quality centre forward.

I would have like to have seen a move for a unfashionable centre forward, Ashley Barnes, Fernando Llorente for example, someone who can get the job done in a dirty way sometimes.

Rob Marsh
95 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:33:39
Kieran # 83,

Well said.

Though no one on TW will believe that, most think:
money spent = talent = good team

It doesn't!

We're polishing a turd!

Frank Sheppard
96 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:33:42
Everton need a new manager, Mickey Mouse or Donald Trump would do a better job than Silva. sack him tonight please, sack him tonight please,
sack him tonight please, sack him tonight please,
sack him tonight please,
Frank Sheppard
97 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:35:57
Any replacement will do
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

98 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:37:03
Well after today, it's official: we have had a CRAP start to the season.

Silva repeatedly says he won't make big changes to 'the plan' because of a defeat. He said it again in this week's presser.

But time and time and time again, from a losing position, he goes all 'gung-ho' with the schoolyard tactic of throwing on as many forwards as if the sheer weight of attacking options will shift the balance in our favour. It is yet to work.

He went earlier than normal with his first subs today and his double change immediately made me nervous. Any threat for us up to that point had come primarily from our two Brazilians, Bernard and Richarlison. Kean was having absolutely zero joy against the Blades' 3 centre backs who, it is worth noting, did NOT display their remarked upon 'overlapping centre back' tactic today. Chris Wilder instructed them to stay at home and defend the edge of their penalty area, confident they could repel anything Everton threw at them.

So what does Silva do? He withdraws one of his main threats - Bernard - and one of his holding midfielders - Schneiderlin - for Iwobi and Tosun which immediately unbalances the set up.

It effectively further narrowed the pitch for Everton as Tosun joined the ineffective Kean up front and Iwobi played more inside rather than directly play wide left as Bernard had done. Sigurdson was also withdrawn a tad and asked to play 10-15 metres deeper.

It made the visitors' task of defending even easier.

With 20 minutes to go, Silva further compounded this 'gung-ho' approach by throwing on yet another forward - Walcott! - for his right back and captain Coleman. The side looked bemused by this wondering how the hell they were meant to set up.

Eventually, it settled down to become Michael Keane playing half right back, half centre back, Delph kinda in between Keane and Mina as a very deep lying defensive midfielder, Mina half left back,
half centre back to cover for the still raiding Digne.

You had Iwobi and Sigurdson in no-man's land in a very loose midfield, Richarlison now switched to the left whereas up until that point he looked our most potent threat cutting inside from the right. Tosun and Kean nominally in a central forward role, but unsurprisingly, getting no service. Walcott doing what he does on the right flank: not a lot.

There was no 'bridge' to build through from back to front. There was no quality in our crossing, particularly in the second half with the bewildering substitutions and formation change. Not once from our 12 corners did we duplicate the quality of delivery they did with their first corner of the game which led to the opening goal.

It came as absolutely no surprise to me that we never looked like scoring following these substitutions, or that they hit us with a second on a simple counter-attack.

2-2-2-3-2. That's what the goals conceded in our last five games now reads. Once again under Silva we are in the territory where teams do not have to play particularly well against us, or be inspired, to score goals and win the game.

This is quickly becoming a crisis. With a big cup game mid-week then a rampant City next week, it could very quickly get very, very messy.

Steve Ferns, sorry fellah, but your man is floundering. Badly.

Eric Paul
99 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:37:15
Steve @88
Are you fuckin kidding the man is incompetent
Colin Glassar
100 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:37:57
Silva out!
Derek Knox
101 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:39:27
Frank, we can only sack him once. 😂😋
Pat Kelly
102 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:40:24
What bollocks can Silva possibly come up with to explain this now ? We had a few bad moments but we dominated possession, blah blah blah
Dave Williams
103 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:40:45
Truly awful second half. I thought we played some nice stuff for twenty minutes or so then faded and once they scored that was it.
Dreadful goalkeeping by Pickford, no structure to the team after the subs and why Tosun and not DCL? Cenk does very little and against a physical team like that we needed DCL to help Kean. I said last week that the midfield three are too slow and ponderous to play together and we miss the skills of Gomes and could have done with the energy of Davies.
So poor the coach home has scrapped the man of the match vote!!
Gary Jones
104 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:43:41
A least I managed to get some enjoyment out of the afternoon sun.
Six mile walk, no phone, no distractions, no stress, until I got back home, then someone called me.
After watching them for 50 years, it’s sad when you decide that the walk in the sun, was the better choice.
Paul Tran
105 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:45:02
We need to stop and think.

Can Silva lift & motivate the players? Can he be bold? Can he inspire?

Who can? Can we get them?

I was indifferent to his appointment. I'm becoming more indifferent to him match by match.

We need to think about who/what we need, whether Silva can be that and whether we can attract/afford someone who can.

Kieran Kinsella
106 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:45:03
Pat Kelly 102,

Likely Silva will say:

"we made individual errors that cost us"
"we didn't take our chances"
"it's difficult when we are missing Gomez to control midfield"

Which begs the following questions.

1.What do you do in training to eliminate these constant individual errors?
2.Do we ever practice finishing?
3.Seriously? Did you see him in the Villa game?

Dave Ganley
107 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:45:33
Well just back from the game and that was truly awful. No pace, everything was just so ponderous. Every time we had a break on we just stepped on the ball and went backwards. Play what's in front of you and not playing by numbers. Truly shocking performance. We are so predictable.
Anthony Murphy
108 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:47:14
It’s still early days, but my knee is jerking a bit

I’ve said it a few games back, but the loss of Silva’s trusted right hand man (Joao Sousa) is possibly the one big reason for what we are seeing this season. Silva may be struggling without the person he has leant on for many years.

I don’t buy it that a big manager would not come to us. Maybe not a top draw manager, but I don’t think it’s out the question given the money we could offer. Newcastle took Rafa and WH Pelligrini. Not advocating for either, but a manager with a history of winning can be found (and I do acknowledge Silva has won silverware).

Big week coming up - beat SW with a committed performance and we’ll feel better, but a defeat

Kieran Kinsella
109 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:47:20
Funny but tragically possible from Lineker on Twitter:

"The way things are going Marco Silva could be managing Watford come Monday"

Cristobal Aguirre
110 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:48:31
Why the stupid one has not been sacked already? with him on board the next game will be a two digits defeat and I am not speaking with angry or disappointed I really think that we will loose 0-10 or maybe 1-10 against city.
Tony Everan
111 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:48:57
We don't look like a team.

Just a bunch of players thrown at a football pitch.

When we go behind any team cohesion gets worse.

When substitutions are made they exacerbate the situation , they are slapdash and not thought out in any shape or form.

I have growing concerns about our season, we are struggling to score. We are struggling to make any clear chances at all. Other teams look fitter , physically stronger and bully us out of it where it matters. We cant win away from home. And now we are leaking 2 ridiculous goals a game.

Time for a proper team, properly set up, to show up.

Why two defensive midfielders today ? It was a great opportunity to play Tom Davies in the centre of the park and give us something extra there. We were flat as a pancake in the middle of the park.

Time to make coherent substitutions that don't completely destroy what little shape and control we had. ie keep the shape and inject some pace.

Bill Gienapp
112 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:50:06
Not sure why we're so bad at taking corners. Feels like we also hit them low and short, or deliver these high, arcing balls that are overhit. As Sheffield United showed, just whip it into the box with pace and things will happen.
Christy Ring
113 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:50:27
Steve @88 It is all down to the manager, especially tactics, shape and motivation. The first player on should have been Davies, two holding midfielders, is totally ridiculous. Why was Bernard taken off, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson should have been gone at halftime. He lost the plot with his substitutions, we had no shape whatsoever.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

114 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:52:15
Ehrm...Kevin @ 69.

Sorry to pop your ego, but virtually nothing you wrote @ 4 happened. That's not how the game played out at all.

Nice try, though.

Richard Mason
115 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:52:26
I genuinely Believe he should resign tonight, Sheffield utd, Villa, palace Bournemouth, 1pt. For the money and squad assembled there is no excuse
Kunal Desai
116 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:54:13
I was expecting us to kick on from last summer and stepping up to recruit the next level of players, sadly that didn't materialise this summer. Largely disappointed by Brands here and really don't think he has delivered here anywhere near what we would have expected to challenge top six and beyond.
Tony Hill
117 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:54:27
We are awful. I wouldn’t know where to start with them and with the club as a whole. We are directionless and feeble.

These are dangerous times. Someone needs to get a grip but I don’t think anyone will.

Alan J Thompson
118 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:55:48
"Right, lads, here's the plan, get players out wide"
"What do we do then, Boss?"
"We play the ball out wide"
"And then what, Boss"
"Then we play it into the middle"
"Who to, Boss?"
"Why do I have to think of everything? Alright, after about 60-65 minutes we make a couple of subs"
"To do what, Boss?"
"Well, to get players out wide"

Fucking hopeless!

Dave Williams
119 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:56:56
Kunal- Brands has delivered some decent players albeit there are a few gaps still. He was there today!!
Tony Hill
120 Posted 21/09/2019 at 17:58:38
Kieran #83, Allardyce did have crap players. Silva hasn’t.
Ian Riley
121 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:02:52
We can't score or defend. Go and get david Moyes and David unsworth as number 2. Desire, heart and fight we lack. Today was unprofessional. That's Bournemouth, Aston villa, Sheffield United, no points.

Feel a long winter ahead.

Kieran Kinsella
122 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:06:31
Tony Hill 120,

Proof is the pudding. Since RMs second season our players have commented our repeated failures by saying “we know we have a good team” or words to that effect. Out of boredoom yesterday I Googled “Coleman Jagielka puzzled” and found about 12 almost identical quotes to that effect from the past four years after shocking defeats. What does that even mean? How can you be “good” if you play badly constantly. It’s like a Trumpian universe when you lie so often it becomes true.

Denis Richardson
123 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:07:14
The city game is almost a given so Moshiri and Brands better start using the time to draw up a shortlist to replace Silva.

The guy is simply not up to the job. Was utterly underwhelmed when he was signed and nothing has remotely changed that since. I call him Martinez mark II bit realise now thats actually doing Martinez a disservice - if that’s even possible.

We need a proper seasoned manager who can communicate properly and knows what the premiership is about and has had some success (winning the Greek league with Olympiacos doesn’t count!). Stop signing managers who talk bollocks for a start. If West Ham can get Pellagrini why can’t we get someone with that pedigree?

People should not be asking the usual ‘but who would replace him?’. That’s for Brands and Moshiri to sort out.

Jim Bennings
124 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:07:47
In 2019

Southampton
Millwall
Watford
Newcastle
Fulham
Aston Villa
Bournemouth
Sheffield United

That’s a list of teams that have beaten Everton in this calendar year.

Joke.

John Audsley
125 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:08:37
Silva is a pathetic manager who failed really badly today with terrible formation choices. He looks like a dead man walking but I suspect he is going knowhere anytime soon. If we are in the bottom 5 at Christmas maybe but still I doubt it
Paul Armstrong
126 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:09:07
Silva is going nowhere fast.

We have yet to go through
- the manager saying he is determined to put it right
- the new players to settle in
- the senior players telling us it is down to them not the manager and they are determined to put it rightzzzzzzz yawn
- the board saying they have every confidence etc
- the board being 'concerned' but want to give the manager more time

We are not going to win the Caravan Cup so a damaging loss to Sheffield Wed may help but complacency is rife and I can see that loss dismissed as coming at 'a difficult time and the club is not about to panic'.

Kevin Prytherch
127 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:09:20
Jay 114 - how did it play out until the substitutions?

I’m only going off reports and what people were writing on here, but the general consensus I got was that we had a lot of possession, made a lot of sideways passes, created little, Sheff Utd day back, started getting a couple of chances, scored one of them. There were plenty of moans about Schniederlin and Sigurdsson did nothing.

After they scored, they continued to sit back and soak pressure up with the afore mentioned being complete passengers.

That is pretty much what I predicted in the first part of my prediction, I just thought it would go on longer until the first goal.

Raymond Fox
128 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:10:06
While I'm not defending Silva, he wasn't my choice in the first place, our fantastic players cant score or produce scoring opportunities to save their lives.
Their getting paid fortunes for what? Kieran 83 and Rob 95 are near the mark, they will be calling us Everton nil next.
So how many managers have we got through if we sack Silva, and does it make any difference, not from where I'm standing it doesn't.
We have one top 6 player in our squad, three at a stretch, and that is stretching it.
Brian Williams
129 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:10:13
For me it's becoming more and more obvious that we don't have the midfield to get anything decent, let alone the best, out of our forwards.
We're all fully aware of our ponderous side, side, back like a fucking Viennese waltz but we have no dynamic, quick, creative central midfielders to move the ball quickly through the middle or the channels.
Our whole style (if you can call it that) of play is too ponderous and painfully slow.
My sone said at the game "we never seem to get in behind teams" and he's right because we give teams more than enough time to get back into two banks of four and watch us run out of ideas.
If we had a quick attack minded midfield we could force teams to be defending while facing their own goal as we have bypassed them quickly. But we have a midfield who are not confident or brave enough to get the ball and run at teams with it.
Teams like today's opponents, Villa, and Bournemouth know only too well how to set up against us and easily nullify any threat.
Jay Tee
130 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:10:15
Bernard was the only bright spark amongst the lot of them and he gets hooked off. No penetration and so predictable a schoolboy team could beat them. COME ON Silva, have a plan B. I think the definition of a fool is trying the same thing over and over again expecting it to work. Absolute rubbish today.
Craig Mills
131 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:15:21
Is there a more embarrassing time to support Everton - we are seriously shit, we have no goal scorer, Kean & DCL not even decent Championship players. What a fucking mess
Amit Vithlani
132 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:15:42
To blame Brands is to overlook a serious achilles heel that Silva has. His record when we go a goal down is terrible and the impact of his subs too is terrible.

Injuries to Gbamin and Gomes have no doubt played a role - Schneiderlin and Delph are not a good enough pairing.

Mina's og was unlucky and from there it was kind of inevitable we would struggle - but this stuff happens & Silva does not seem to know how to change the course of the game.

His run last season came on the back of clean sheets or - crucially - scoring first.

Law of averages says you can't always win games that way.

Tony Hill
133 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:17:58
Yes god knows, Kieran@122. It’s a nightmare and I have no idea where we go next. That side of ours looked dead today.
Fran Mitchell
134 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:18:32
How about Bielsa?
Annika Herbert
135 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:20:32
The worst of it all is the bloody expectations!! All week I convince myself that this game will be the one where our season really kicks off, then they produce another bloody god awful show just like the last one!!
I have been a supporter of Silva right from the off, I am fast losing all belief in the guy. We are going backwards and the season is almost a write off already. It's clear to most of us that Coleman is no longer the player he was, yet he is there every week, come what may. I think we need to play Holgate at the back now, in place of Keane, if only for his pace. Can he really do any worse than our current centre back pairing? For me Schneiderlin is finished, he should not be in the squad. Play Davies there, or even Beningame, until Gbamin is fit again.
As for Sigurdsson, words simply fail me. He just doesn't create anything and, now he isn't scoring, he is nothing more than a passenger.
Kean could well become a top striker given the time, but he clearly needs more time to develop. I am not sure DLC will ever be a top striker, although he could flourish as an out and out target man. Saying that, we create so little it really would make no difference who we had up top.
I think time is up for Silva but very much doubt there will be any change for the forseeable future. I also have no doubt that his favoured players, Sigurdsson, Coleman and Schneiderlin will all be named in the next line up. Not sure I have enough beer onboard to truly drown my sorrows!!
Clive Rogers
136 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:21:12
The clown made two changes to the front three when it was defence and midfield that needed changes after last week. Delph and Shneids is not the right combination, while Siggy is past his best.
Iwobi looks poor. Whenever he runs 15 yards, he has to stop and stand still for a minute. Weird.
Jay Tee
137 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:21:27
Ha Ha Jay Wood, 2-2-2-3-2 thought that was the formation we ended up with. Certainly played like it.
Brian Hennessy
138 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:21:40
Lineker, at his peak, or any top forward, would struggle to get 10 goals a season playing under the Silva system.

The only positive I can take from our current situation is that Silva's ineptitude has been confirmed early enough in the season to allow us time to get in a new manager and maybe salvage something from this season.

I just hope that Brands and Silva can see what most Everton fans know - that this guy is not good enough and they need to begin their search immediately for his replacement.

Fran Mitchell
139 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:22:21
Or Patrick Vieira?
Matt Butlin
140 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:22:28
Bielsa is an option I’d say. If he’s open to it. We need a manager who puts a bit of fear into the players if they don’t perform.
Dave Abrahams
141 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:23:42
Dave Williams (103), you have my sincere sympathy on that long miserable journey home. I only have a mile to walk home, that mile was a lot harder today after watching that game.

Nothing really to add on what has already been said, just frustrated, disillusioned, fed up with the very poor or non existent tactics of Mr. Silva and asking the same question that Darren Hind asked a week ago, were do we go from ?

Pat Kelly
142 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:23:51
Just been reported the Board of EFC is to convene an emergency meeting tomorrow. Only one item on the agenda. " To hereby approve the shortening of the Club motto to Nil " All in favour..
Jamie Crowley
143 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:24:00
Schneiderlin, Walcott, and Cenk played today.

Villa, Bournemouth, Sheffield United all losses.

That's really all you need to know.

Ken Kneale
144 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:24:46
Taxi for Silva. He is cowardly and incompetent. No wonder the players don't perform. He does not motivate or scare them. Our season is toast with this chap in charge. None of the clubs we seek to emulate would tolerate this any longer which means no doubt the incompetent Everton management structure will
Tony Abrahams
145 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:26:43
Very concerning because we can't defend, and we just don't create enough.

The tactics and the system just don't add-up, because we keep trying to get the ball wide, but don't try and get bodies into our opponents box.

Their centre-backs dealt with every cross, our two go for the same ball, and don't look like they will ever strike up a proper understanding.

Kean, looked like a fish out of water, and with a ponderous midfield, then the spine of the team is not only not good enough, but it's also not playing to its strengths.

Tony Everan
146 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:26:47
Annika 135, beer wouldn't numb the pain, need a pint of morphine after that.
Derek Knox
147 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:27:02
Watford may well be interested in him, if only to have the pleasure of sacking him again, after they have sack Sanchez Flores again.

Maybe we can come to an agreement Delboy and Doucoure, in exchange for Silva Schneiderlin, Keane and Sigurdsson.

No Compo, no Clegg or Foggy!

Justin Doone
148 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:27:10
Shef U did very little and yet won 2-0 which tells you everything about Everton and their 70% possession.
John Audsley
149 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:27:54
Bielsa would be perfect but he is totally tied in with Leeds and I'm sure he will respect that arrangement
John Audsley
150 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:27:54
Bielsa would be perfect but he is totally tied in with Leeds and I'm sure he will respect that arrangement
David Connor
151 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:27:57
Just get shut ASAP and take his shite coaching staff with him including Duncan Ferguson. What the fuck does he actually do? I thought he is the attacking coach. Sorry, it ain't working, mate.

Too many useless bastards taking the piss out of our club. Top money paid for very average players. We will never offload these shitheads to other clubs because they are on too much of a good thing at Everton.

No heart. No pride and no fucking idea. What a shambles and we are only 6 games into another long hard disappointing season. Just awful...

John Keating
152 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:32:17
That was unbelievable

Steve I said prior to the game that Silva was no motivator and you challenged it. Still think I’m wrong?

As regards to the team. 2 defensive midfielders 1 up front against the mighty Sheff Utd.

He had a chance today to show everyone he could motivate these fraudsters, change the team and tactics and show he has a plan B. He showed nothing but total incompetence.

Had he picked a decent starting 11 we would not have had to witness the embarrassment of his substitutions and panic tactics. You wouldn’t see the likes on a park pitch

Silva missed a great chance for himself today and just dug a bigger hole for himself

There are no excuses and nobody should look for any. A disgrace

Ralph Basnett
153 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:32:57
Pickford - needs dropping from England and maybe that will wake him up.
Coleman - finished.
Keane- not good enough.
Mina - as above.
Schneiderlin - fookin rubbish.
Delph - just don’t know.
Siggie- not good enough.
Richarlison - trying but playing with shoite.
Kean - needs time.
Bernard - to lightweight.
Digne - poor at the moment.

All of the above does not give me much hope for the future.

Schneiderlin, Siggie, Kean and Coleman all need to be dropped.

Silva has to be sacked, it does not matter who comes in this fella ain’t got a clue.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

154 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:34:58
Kevin @ 127.

I take the novel approach of:

a) watching each game play out without first making a 10-clause prediction as you did before a ball is kicked.

b) I then watch the game to make my own judgement of how the game ACTUALLY played out.

If you are to be believed, you didn't even do that, but still patted yourself on the pack believing your predictive post played out as you said.

On the law of averages, some of your scattergun predictive clauses would prove right. At a stretch, maybe 2-3 of them did.

Nostradamus you ain't.

Tony Twist
155 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:39:27
F-ing disgraceful. Is this Brands' vision or Silvas' vision. Who's ever it is should be sacked. It was blatantly obvious during pre-season that the manner of play is impotent and inept. I have not known, in my fifth years plus of supporting this club the level of naivety and plain and simple incompetence shown by this collection of footballers. And I use footballers in the very broadest sense of the word. How long does it take to put things right, seasons by the looks of things. Silvas replacement should be lined up now as it is only going to get worse.
Oliver Molloy
156 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:42:31
Steve Ferns @ 61.
I disagree, so lets wait and see.
The next managerial appointment ( and of course there will be one ) might surprise all of us.
Dave Evans
157 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:43:01
Its not the players. It is what they are being asked to do. Keep the ball and work it out wide is all that Silva has shown he has to offer as a tactical option.
Premier league managers know this, they set up to counter and do us. Easy.
Tony Hill
158 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:43:19
How has it deteriorated so badly from the truly promising end to last season and, I would say, from the superb football we played at Anfield, for example? Is it simply due to Gueye and Zouma going? Surely not. Gbamin’s injury was wretched luck but he was still learning about the Premier League anyway.

Ronnie Goodlass on the local phone-in said that the players looked as though they’d just been introduced to each other before the game. Indeed they did. Why?

I have no answers.

Kevin Prytherch
159 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:46:00
Jay 154

I would hazard a guess that the first 7 paragraphs were correct (out of 10).

The last 3 paragraphs referred to what would happen if the game dragged on goalless until the second half, and if we managed to score first.

Like I said, I didn’t watch it and have gone on what others have said. If I’m wrong, let me know what parts.

I’m not claiming to be some form of mystic, simply pointing out what has happened time and time again when we line up with a similar line up against a team who defends. It’s not exactly the first time this season it’s happened.

Soren Moyer
160 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:47:38
I am all in for Marcelino. Was my choice even before we hired MS.
Si Turner
161 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:48:32
Really poor from Silva today. I think his starting formation and line up was wrong and we looked ponderous when we went behind.

I think he has 5 games to improve the situation or we will need to replace. I don't think a neejerk reaction today with no one lined up is the right way to go.

Given our current squad, I think we should move to 2 up top and play a diamond formation with Delph playing there until Gbamin is back.

Tony Abrahams
162 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:52:21
We took one short corner all game, even though we could have took at least six, and created a two v one every time.

The players didn't look like they believed in what they were supposed to be doing, and it didn't half show, but still they wouldn't brake rank, and go off their own backs.

No positives except the weather, which was that deceiving it felt like we were already in April, but no such luck, only a very long winter ahead of us, how much more can we take?

Peter Neilson
163 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:53:29
Terrible performance not helped by Silva entering Roy Hodgson England territory with his substitutions "right lad you're a forward on you go". Silva seems as lost as the players were trying to work out the formation. No real threat up-front, poor movement, no urgency and a terrible defence. Worrying to be beaten by what looked like a poor/limited Sheffield team.
Kieran Kinsella
164 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:54:08
Bit desperate if we are relying on Gbamin. He’s been here five minutes and had one good game and one poor game. I hope he does well but I’m not pinning my hopes on him
Derek Knox
165 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:54:58
Tony, it's got to be Silva who has shown for too long now that he is way out of his depth, he has no Plan A or B.

He may be a coach who is obsessed with detail, but he hasn't got a clue when it comes to picking the right combination, or assessing the opposition, he has no fight or knowledge of how to right the wrongs after going a goal down to weaker opposition.

That's a laugh, we were the weakest team on view today, and I'm afraid it is all down to him, plain and simple.

I further would make sure he received zilch in the way of compensation, otherwise it is being rewarded for failure, and they will be queuing up to take the reins, beats buying a Lottery Ticket!

Mark Burton
166 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:55:59
Silva proved today that he actually has no idea how to change any game. He made changes that exposed the counter attack. Two attempts and two goals compared to 70% possession, fifteen attempts, twelve corners and no goals. What actually happens at training.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

167 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:57:01
Brilliant, Kevin! @ 159.

Your predictive talents now extend to events that have concluded, but which you have yet to see.

Your 'guess' of 7 out of 10 is wrong.

Watch the game. The majority of events you listed didn't unfold as you predicted.

Colin Malone
168 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:58:50
Why some blaming Brand's? Madness. It's no coincidence since Boa Morte came on board results have been bad.
David Thomas
169 Posted 21/09/2019 at 18:59:06
Just get him out the club ASAP. To put in a performance like that is a disgrace.
Ian Lloyd
170 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:03:40
Has he not gone yet?!?
Vincent Borg Carbott
171 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:05:47
SILVA MUST GO BRING BACK MOYES
SILVA MUSTGO BRING BACK MOYES
SILVA MUST GO BRING BACK MOYES
Clive Rogers
172 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:07:30
Poor team selection and substitutions that made things worse.
Joe McMahon
173 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:08:54
Tony H, I think the superb football at Anfield you refer too is slightly over the top. We didn't score and lost. Another Pickford howler thrown in.
Kevin Prytherch
174 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:09:35
Jay 167 - which ones weren’t accurate?

You say the game played out differently. However then make sarcastic comments without actually stating which predictions weren’t accurate.

How did the game play out? I didn’t see it but it would indicate on here it was fairly accurate.

Tony Abrahams
175 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:12:22
I got the feeling he wasn't bothered today Derek, but I got the same feeling when he just sat on the bench at Bournemouth last week.

It's like he's adopting the attitude that he can only go with what people have signed him, and as you say I don't think there is a better industry in the world for rewarding failure, especially if you think you've been failed by your bosses, and it really isn't your fault!

Tony Hill
176 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:16:40
Derek #165, I understand that view, though I should frankly say that I thought Silva was going to restore us to the footballing joy that you and I remember from the 60s. The Anfield performance last year, despite the result, seemed to me to be hugely promising.

The other thing that worries me so much is that this is now the sort of football that bored and infuriated us all under Martinez (seasons 2 and 3) and Koeman. Why have we reverted to that type? Why did Martínez flop after that dazzling start?

We are somehow frightened of the stuff of success.

Bob Parrington
177 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:17:54
This is a shambles. No excuses acceptable from either manager or player. Pity we can’t fine them 50% of their wages to shake them up a bit!
Tony Hill
178 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:18:40
Joe 173, yeah probably a bit OTT, but we outplayed them and had swagger. That’s gone.
Julian Exshaw
179 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:28:26
Silva's defence: His right-hand man Sousa left. Zouma and Gueye ( arguably our two best players last year) left. Failure by Brands to replace the aforementioned players. Failure to find a proper striker. A severely under-performing squad.

Nevertheless, the manner of defeat against Villa, Bournemouth and SUtd bear evidence to some serious mismanagement. Where is the team that murdered Manchester Utd that glorious Easter Sunday last season? Was that a one-off? Why were certain players left out today after Bournemouth and others who hardly performed, retained? Why is Walcott continually given a chance? What's wrong with Sigurdsson? Why is Davies not being considered? Where is the passion?

I'm old enough to remember the day, or rather night, the great Howard Kendall turned us around. Footballing fortunes can change overnight with one decent result. I'm still willing to give Marco a chance to show the moral courage to make changes, to stamp his authority on this group of players which seems incapable of performing for him. My patience and his time are running out though.

Joe McMahon
180 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:31:56
Tony @178, yes, you are correct about the swagger. It was a similar story at Arsenal away last season and we didn't score and lost (again).

The failure to bring in a striker since Lukaku keeps hurting us hard. This would not happen at any other Premier League club with, *ahem*, top 10 ambitions.

Robert Workman
181 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:35:51
Why take Coleman off and not Mina? We didn't need 2 central defenders against their attack.
Why not bring Davies on for Schneiderlin. In fact why not start with Davies in this game?
Why take Bernard off?
Why not start with Iwobi?
Answers please Marco Silva.
Kim Vivian
182 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:39:52
He certainly looks pretty stressed in that photo. No personal responsibility that I can detect sadly so a wee bit deluded as well.
Like all of us, I wanted him to do well but was sceptical like many as well. I think a fair few of us were swayed by some of the narrative we read and kept our fingers crossed.
Without the run at the end of last season I think it's safe to say he would be gone by now. How much longer Silva can cling on to the job is anybodys guess with our current liberal mindedness. Personally there would be no-one happier besides Marco himself than me if we had a sudden metamorphosis, but I'm afraid I'm not seeing it.
We are not a draw for anyone looking for anything other than a free lunch so who we could possibly attract of the right calibre is anyone's guess.
I am resigned now to another season of mediocrity with little to look forward to week to week although I shall be religiously streaming/watching every week, and getting to any matches where a ticket or two might become available.
Onwards and sideways...

I must be bloody mad.

Christy Ring
183 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:45:56
Silva's tactics are totally clueless. Why is he constantly playing Delph and Schneiderlin, two holding midfielders, who offer nothing going forward, and not giving Davies a chance, with Gomes and Gbamin injured is beyond belief. He plays Kean, a 19 year old, upfront on his own, who would work a lot better with DCL, a target man, instead he brings on Tosun, beside him. I also said it was a huge mistake by Brands/ Silva, not to sign a centreback before the window, it's coming back to haunt us.

Colin Glassar
184 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:49:31
Rumours (online) have begun regarding silva and his permanence at Everton.

Spurs fans are fed up with Poch. Any chance of a swap?

Danny Baily
185 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:54:25
If he stays, we'll no doubt string together a few wins in the new year and get over the 40 PTS mark. All that will do is paper over the cracks. If the right candidate is available, I'd say get rid ASAP while we still have something positive to play for.
John Boon
186 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:54:59
Rob (181)

Agree. All the subs were basically the wrong ones. If we are ever going to win a game we need to score first. Once we are down Silva goes into "Total uninspirational mode", and we become even worse. He has the worst body language and looks defeated as soon as the opposition score.And that is against the might of Aston Villa, Bournemouth and now Sheffield United.

Mike Doyle
187 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:58:03
Christy we have a weaker defence than last season (no Zouma) without the added protection of Gana in front of them. Even playing 2 x DMs we are leaking 2 goals per game against supposedly inferior/bottom half teams - and don’t look like scoring many.
I’m not a big Silva fan, but Brands must take some of the responsibility for the recruitment failure.
Roll on Man City.
Bill Watson
188 Posted 21/09/2019 at 19:58:09
Absolutely shocking; team selection, tactical set up and shockingly chaotic substitutions.

What worries me most is that Silva doesn't learn from his mistakes. The Bournemouth game was a mirror of the Villa one. Palace was very similar without the goals. Overwhelming possession but very few chances created and those that were, were missed.

Today we had two holding midfielders against a side which last season was in the championship. Overwhelming possession but very few (if any) clear cut chances created. Their goalkeeper had very little to trouble him. The service to Kean was non existent and remained so even after Tosun was introduced.

Silva's substitutions are mystifying to the fans and, it seems, to the players. They completely disrupt any semblance of balance.

I'll be at Hillsborough on Tuesday but I'm starting to feel it may be best to take the pain so that Silva's position becomes untenable.

He must go soon or we face a relegation scrap.

Craig Walker
189 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:01:11
I didn’t see the game today but listened the official commentary (when the website bothered to put up the Listen Live button). It sounded like Pickford was culpable for the first goal. How many times does he cost us at set pieces and high balls? I can think of two losses at Anfield for starters. We’re weak at the back, have no creativity in midfield and no potency up front. Our away form is shambolic and we’re always capable of throwing away games that we should win at home. We can only play well when the pressure is off. Same old issues. The only comfort is that I didn’t get wrapped up in the top 5 predictions over summer: this is Everton. They’ll always let you down.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

190 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:01:13
Kevin...first two are correct. The first was a sensible tactic by Sheff Utd which paid them dividends, forcing Everton to largely play ponderous sideways passing.

#3 Sigurdsson did find space. Indeed, if the two young players Kean and Richarlison had laid off the ball to him rather than blaze over for glory, he was twice in an excellent position to open the scoring. You were wrong.

#4 Once again, Schneiderlin was the best of our midfielders, but for many on TW they cannot acknowledge that. For the 55 minutes he was on the pitch, at no time were he and Delph 'isolated in midfield.' Silva's substitutions totally scrambled the formation. Again, you were wrong.

#5 Sheff Utd were a metronome all game, sticking to the game plan, so they never 'grew in confidence'. They were simply steadfast throughout. At no point did they 'overrun us in the centre of midfield'. They didn't have to. You were wrong.

#6 Our defenders were never on the back foot and the Blades did NOT 'carve out a number of good openings'. They took the lead, even, without recording a shot on target! At no time in the game was there wave after wave of Sheffield attacks. Again, Silva's bizarre substitutions and resultant mish-mash in formation led to eventual exposure and concession of the second goal. Again, you were wrong.

#7 The game never 'opened up' for either side. It was played very much on the Blades' terms. Sit deep and comfortably repel. You were wrong.

#8 as the game never 'opened up' as you incorrectly predicted, it follows that Sigurdsson didn't 'come more into the game' under those conditions.

#9 In reality, Sigurdsson did a lot MORE in the first hour (rather than nothing, as you predicted), but he was another victim of Silva's shambolic substitutions and shifting sands formation. Wrong again, Kevin.

# 10 Your alternative history didn't happen. Wrong.

Clear enough for you Kevin?

Try watching the match without a jaundiced eye rather than look for confirmation bias from others supporting your (80% incorrect) pre-match predictions.

Kelvin Leung
191 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:09:06
One of the commentators said "Sheffield have not actually scored in the first half this season" and I just threw my arms in the air, rolled my eyes; I just KNEW what was going to happen next.

0-1 in the thirty-odd minute or so. Fecking typical. Everton. That.

George Cumiskey
192 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:10:43
Jay Wood I think you had better go back to sleep because I think the time difference has sullied your mind, because what you watched was entirely different from everybody's else.
Stephen Brown
193 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:17:06
I think we are giving silva too much credit criticising his tactics! I really am not sure we have any tactics!

Why is it compulsory to play 4231? The substitutions are like something off football manager or local league !

I’m so disappointed as we have become possibly the most pointless team in the league! There’s no chance of a trophy but little chance of being relegated ( which I suppose is a positive!).

Silvas interviews are incoherent and bizarre! Has he watched the game ? Is his English too limited ? He doesn’t inspire me at all ! Can he inspire a load of millionaire footballers ! Against Bournemouth when he sat on his seat staring at the floor with 15 minutes to go ! Criminal !

I hate we’ve become a sacking team but he’s really on borrowed time now ! I’m sad to say I really think Moyes would do a better job until the end of the season but my real hope is for Arteta to come in with Pep’ winning mentality!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

194 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:21:40
Well done, George! @192

Promoting your view is the only legitimate one (not that we know what it is, because you haven't stated it).

And more, you now speak for the whole world, do you? What remarkable gifts you credit yourself with!

Read what I've written in the ENTIRE thread. Neither Silva nor the players are getting any praise from me. It was crap and that is exactly the word I used to describe the season to date.

Steve Ferns
195 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:22:10
I think if you boil down the criticisms of what those who want Silva out and put them into the characteristics of the best manager we could persuade to take the job, fitting the profile of those characteristics, then you would have Sean Dyche. I think he's your man. He's not a bad manager and he'd salvage 8th for sure. I doubt he's got enough about him to ever get into the top 4, but he could break the top 6 with a bit of luck.

Silva just moved into a house this week. Permanent residence after temporary for the last few years. Guy has got his young family here now too. He ain't going anywhere. Brands is also a cool customer, he'll not be pushing the button any time soon. He'll tell Moshiri to "hold his nerve" again. I predict results will improve and we'll see the season out.

Silva has to sit down with his team and accept that whilst the players are playing badly, and making mistakes, he's making things worse. He's being far too reckless and his paying the penalty. He needs to stop throwing everyone on like a kid on FIFA and make sensible substitutions.

If it were me at half time, I'd have tried to get Kean into the game. He barely got a touch all game. So bringing Davies on for Sigurdsson. Moving to a narrow 4-3-3 with Richarlison and Bernard up top with Kean. If that wasn't working, then it was a game for Calvert-Lewin. Their centre-backs were too strong for Kean. We got a good deal of crosses in, but Kean offers little in the air. Calvert-Lewin is certainly more of an aerial presence.

The Coleman substitution was wrong, but it did make some sense. Just before he came off, Coleman was getting a lot of the ball on the right, he was doing little defending and a lot of attacking. He was slow and ponderous on the ball and his crossing was ineffective. Silva was thinking if only that was Walcott. But Walcott didn't get the same chances or as much of the ball.

Sigurdsson also dropped deep on 55 minutes. He was anonymous there as he was when he was further up the pitch. We lost this game in midfield. Sure we had plenty of the ball, but we were too slow in possession. The ball moved slowly or when hit with pace, it moved predictably. Sheff Utd looked very well drilled. They knew we would get the ball out wide and they stopped us using it effectively from there. They showed us outside time and again and we kept obliging. Digne has not been the same player this season and again he didn't have a good game. Coleman looks a spent force.

The moment to sum the game up though was when Moise Kean felt like he'd been injured and threw himself to the floor. He then lay face down on the pitch, whilst we were 1-0 down and increasingly desperate, and kicked his feet like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

I still have no doubt the boy will be a top talent. The boy is a boy and he is not ready to start games. Calvert-Lewin has to start. Let Kean be eased into the season as we play well.

There was so many things wrong with that game, and Silva cannot come out and hold his hand up and say he got it wrong. It's ridiculous to expect him to do so. He may as well resign right there and then. However, he needs to sit down with his team and accept that they fucked up badly. Sigurdsson is not the same player, and he needs to drop out. The formation needs to change. We need to get rid of the AMC and play three central midfielders with Schneiderlin sitting and holding until Gbamin is fit and ready. Some good news with him is that he does not need surgery and so he might be back sooner than we thought. Gomes has a rib injury and hopefully he will be back soon. Those who criticised Gomes, well look at the midfield without him.

Derek Knox
196 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:22:19
Kim @ 182, sorry to quote you here but " and getting to any matches where a ticket or two might become available " don't worry Kim there will be shed loads of Tickets available in the next few weeks.

I genuinely believe most genuine supporters have seen enough, and had enough to realise that this guy isn't going to lead us to the Promised Land. He hasn't a clue where it is for starters, or what direction to start off in.

I know as some players are before they sign, you are never sure what you are going to get (the Forest Gump Chocolate box syndrome) it's even worse with Managers, because there is only one of them, then of course all the hangers on who masquerade under the name of Coaching Staff.

This Boa Morte (Dead Snake) I don't recall seeing the job advertised in the Echo, but he suddenly appeared when his other side-kick moved on to other pastures.

Robert Workman
197 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:23:16
Brian (129) Having attended a few balls here in Vienna, I can assure you that there is more movement in a Viennese waltz - especially when our friend Hannes takes my wife for a twirl - than there was in our midfield today.
Even Tom Davies, dressed as Mozart, would have made more impact!
Kevin Prytherch
198 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:25:58
Jay - you really do love looking for arguments don’t you? At no point have I ever said anything derogatory about you, however you insist on your condescending nature of your posts. I never once stated that I watched the game, instead I asked if I was right. Indeed, at half time someone commented that it was pretty much spot on.

Unfortunately with 4 young children I can’t always watch the game, so I then rely on information from elsewhere. We’re not all privileged enough to be able to watch every game live - this shouldn’t stop me from having an opinion.

Unfortunately Jay - it is people like yourself who I suspect cause a number of posters to simply stop posting. You regularly become embroiled in arguments and often deflect any responsibility in causing any of them.

As for bias - it’s interesting that on some news outlets, the three people with the lowest ratings where Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Kean. Could it be that, rather than 80% of posters on here being biased, that it is actually the 20% that you suggest you fall into.

Thanks for the breakdown anyway, that is what I actually asked for in my first reply (however without the passive aggressive sarcasm).

George Cumiskey
199 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:27:08
Jay two points Siggy did find space and Sneids was our best midfielder, enough said I think.
Paul Hewitt
200 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:28:06
I fear the rot has set in, and will take years to remove.
Matt Melia
201 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:29:37

If ever a manager had a misnomer it’s Marco Silva, as; we will NEVER win any Silverware while this plonker is at the helm.

Where is the goal-scoring Centre-forward and additional Central Defender, we were screaming for?

Can anyone on the Board read or do they Not peruse the applicant’s CV’s?

Martinez, Won the F.A. Cup with Wigan and they were relegated. We employed him.

Big Sam, just a total mercenary. We employed him.

Silva, won the Portuguese 2nd division and took Hull down. We even head hunted him!!!!

Stubborn, Zonal marking which creates such panic in defence that we’re now scoring own goals.

Why didn’t Davies start. Why do Tosun & Walcott get on the bench, done nothing since they both signed massive contracts, no wonder they don’t want to leave.

Spent an absolute fortune and the team’s the worst I’ve seen since; “It’s been very disappointing” Walter Smith.

We cannot wait and I know I’ll get the vitriolic responses of, “Rubbish”, “You don’t know what you’re talking about” et al.

Well, we stole the points v Watford, had the rub of the green v Wolves, dragged out a point v Palace, got a snotting v Villa & Bournemouth.

Today, another Championship side had two attacks and scored two. No confidence, No quality and definitely No idea.

Had our players been introduced to each other? If Silva stays we are in the deep proverbial, I guarantee it.

City should look good from my Upper Bullens Seat next week, probably after Sheffield Wednesday have softened us up and give us another tonking

Joe McMahon
202 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:38:42
Paul@200, the rot started many years ago. We will never win the league again, and it will take an astute managerial appointment to see us ever playing in the champions league.
Clive Rogers
203 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:43:02
The rot went worse when Kenwright took over. He has presided over the worst 20 years of EFC’s history. He is still there and it could become 30 years.
Chris Williams
204 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:43:50
My son and I took my five year old grandson to his first ‘live’ game at Goodison today. I fear we may have been remiss in our safeguarding responsibilities as they are called these days.

If we take him again anytime soon it could represent child abuse. He and I will be seeking counselling on Monday!

Although he loved the sirens and Z Cars but found the noise intimidating.

Disappointing, to quote Walter doesn’t begin to describe it. It was very difficult to put a positive spin on it, and to suppress a natural tendency to let rip in a profane and colourful way in front of him.

I managed that, by and large, but I reckon I’ve shed years from my diminishing life expectancy with the effort. This I can Ill afford.

I’ll leave the BP monitor until tomorrow morning!

A lovely family occasion ruined - five generations of our family now Matchgoing Everton supporters.

Jesus, why do we bother? But as Scarlet said tomorrow is another day.

Abject shite, utter garbage, fucking rubbish, arse, wank, twat, knobhead!

Serenity now.

Chris Leyland
205 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:51:46
From my viewpoint in the Gladwys Street our players looked like a bunch of strangers thrown together for a game where as Sheff Utd looked organised and had a plan. The number of times we go sideways or backwards is depressing. The lack of energy and urgency through the side is soul destroying.

Pickford - an accident waiting to happen.

Two lumbering buffoons in the middle at the back.

Two flatter-to-deceive full backs who didn’t manage 1 decent cross between them all day.

Delph looked lethargic and off the pace and got caught in possession too often.

Bernard’s did a few runs but zero end product.

Moise Kean looked out of his depth.

Richarlison was at his petulant worst.

Sigurdsson huffed and puffed to little effect.

Only Schneiderlin had anything like a half decent game and that’s probably only because the others stunk the gaffe our so much.

The subs:

Walcott - what’s the point?
Tosun - got more touches of the ball acting as the ball boy for their goal kicks and throw ins.
Iwobi- touched it 4 or 5 times.

David Greenwood
206 Posted 21/09/2019 at 20:56:13
Taxi for Marco.

We're in for a bottom six battle if he stays, not top six. That's gone, we've no chance. Probably the most frustrating thing is other than City and the referees faves the league is wide open.

Any goodwill he built towards the end of last season has long gone.

Team selection, motivation, tactics, organisation etc etc are an utter shambles.

Good players being used very badly.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

207 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:01:38
Steve @ 195.

I think you dumb down the debate questioning if Silva is the right manager to meet our ambitions by claiming those calling for his head are listing the characteristics and profile of Sean Dyche.

I believe you do so deliberately to be provocative as a round-about way to defend your man Silva. I honestly haven't seen any such profiling to suggest there is a body of thought that (possibly unknowingly) are identifying Dyche's best qualities as a good fit for Everton.

Indeed, I haven't read anyone recently putting Dyche's name forward as a replacement for Silva. Mourinho has been mentioned (ain't happening, don't want it to happen), Marcelino (available), even the return of Moyes (have people no pride?)

Now I remain of the belief that - as bad as things are (and they are bad Steve. VERY bad. Your '1 point off third' lament of last week no longer applies) - it is still premature to think of dismissing Silva.

That said, Moshiri - for all Brands' possible counsel that you reference - dismissed Koeman just 9 games into his second season. He dismissed Martinez even though Roberto got us to two semi-finals that season. He dismissed Allardyce in spite of the manager equalling Koeman's 8th placed finish. So Moshiri has history of pulling the trigger.

He won't be swayed by any sentiment or emotion, such as Silva has just moved into a new house this week with his young family.

As I said, Koeman went after 9 games into his second season after a humiliating 5-2 home defeat to Arsenal. Silva is on game 6 of his second season and the results are similar to those that got Koeman his P45.

In the next week alone, there is a tricky away tie in the LC, followed by a now daunting home game to the rampant Man City. If City gives us an Arsenal-like home tonking which proved to be Koeman's last game (and possibly on the back of an early cup exit), Moshiri could well get antsy.

Look how empty the stadium was before the final whistle today. Listen to the boos that came from those that remained. Silva, his coaches, his players, his team, are under severe pressure from a very large number in the fan base already.

Three more games for Silva to match game 9 after which Koeman was sacked: H City, A Burnley, H WHU. What constitutes an acceptable return in those games?

Together with the LC game away to Wednesday midweek, it could make or break Silva.

Annika Herbert
208 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:02:07
Tony@146, at least your comment gave me something to smile about today lol!!
Tony Hill
209 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:11:43
The one happy thing is that we never lose to Sheffield Wednesday when it counts. It's the law.

How many of us would take, say, 11th and winning the EFL Cup? I would.

Gary Willock
210 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:16:13
We have no identity anymore, zero heart, no passion, no dogs of war, no school of science, nothing but lethargic pass across the pitch again and again till we lose it and get hit on the break.

Go all out to get Arteta. He’s learnt from the best in Guardiola and Wenger. He understands our club and our fans. Get Cahill to support him, and bring Unsworth up into the first team coaching.

If Moshiri can’t see just how bad Silva now is (that final formation was nearly as insane as playing Morgan and Delph together again) then the fans will start to turn quickly on him. This manager is a fraud.

Robert Williams
211 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:43:12
Can anyone tell me why the very knowledgeable Attorney for the Defence of Mr Silva (a failed manager of football of this parish), does not shut the fuck up and leave us all to make up our own very simple minds about what we think a young up-and-coming manager's qualities should be and the level or country the said Mr /Senior Silva should be managing at.

Mr Ferns, a self appointed Attorney for Silva's Defence has long managed to find his way up my nose and no doubt will continue to do so until his mate is dismissed from high office at Everton FC. I trust that will not take too long!!

Alan Barlow
212 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:45:11
Why is Marco Silva still at Goodison? We have lost to 3 of the promoted sides of last season's Championship.

I am old enough to remember how ruthless John Moores was when he had control of this great club. If I had poured the same amount of money into Everton FC that has been spent this summer would at least have expected 9 points against 3 of the promoted sides.

It's obvious to me, that as a tactician, Marco leaves a lot to be desired. The door is there and he should be shown it. He IS a good manager, but not at the level that Everton FC should require.

I have never been so ashamed at these last few weeks. I keep saying to myself, well it's only the start of the season but where is the formation and balance of the side? I hope that the club gets a strong centre half to replace Phil Jagielka. We NEED one. And a manager that is not afraid to drop under-performing players.

God help us next week as they hit 8 past Watford this afternoon.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

213 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:45:19
Kevin @ 198.

No Kevin, I don't 'love looking for arguments'. I challenge posts I don't agree with. There is a world of difference between the two.

You consider my responses 'condescending' and 'passive aggressive sarcasm' yet in the same breath say you never say anything derogatory about me. Rigghhtt!

I only further contested your predictions (after my original playful comment to you @ 8 pre-game) when you returned to the thread @ 69 and - guess what - addressed ME directly, Kevin.

Acknowledging that by your own admission you hadn't watched the game, I again (playfully) told you that the game did NOT unfold as you predicted. A view I stand by. In a later post I advised you to watch the game yourself to better judge if your predictions matched the actual game play, rather than depend on the opinions of others as you admitted you did.

That does not constitute me attempting to suppress your opinion as you try to imply. A common (and devious) ploy used by many on TW who resent having their opinion challenged in any way.

As for your highly speculative claim that I am 'the cause of a number of posters to simply stop posting' and that 'I regularly become embroiled in arguments and often deflect any responsibility in causing them...'

Seriously? Guess what. I have my own opinion on all things Everton. I represent my view, and my view only. I never ever claim that I speak for the majority or that my view is the only valid one. Many on TW do, however.

In support of my view, I debate... I contest... I defend my position... eloquently. Supported by reasoned counters and data. I also am self-aware enough to know that is resented by some, particularly those who dislike having their opinions challenged or undermined.

Unlike many on TW, I always-always-always take responsibility for my words and actions and their consequences in life, never mind just TW.

And as I said earlier, in my viewing of the game, 80% of your predictions @ 5 simply didn't happen.

Roman Sidey
214 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:50:02
Manager's an idiot, his coaches frauds... and the players, as I said last week, are cowards.
Robert Williams
215 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:50:55
Jay Wood @207.

Over time, I have found your posts to be long-winded and often tedious but at 207 I believe you are spot on, both in your reply to the said apologist, Steve Ferns, and in your suggestions that Silva's reign could well be short-lived.

Knock-on-Wood!

John Boon
216 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:54:42
TW is an open forum which allows fans to agree to disagree. It is also a great release to express your opinion, particularly after a display like the one we all saw today. Some posters become quite touchy if anyone has the nerve to suggest that they interpreted match situations differently than others.

I sit around our dinner table with four Evertonians, two sons, a son-in-law, and a daughter, and we usually disagree about many of the others' opinions and get very annoyed. The only sane person in the room is my wife, who couldn't care less who won but thinks we are all daft.

Roman Sidey
217 Posted 21/09/2019 at 21:57:50
Jay, 6 points would be my bare minimum from those three fixtures. In fact, letting x represent the Man City fixture, I'd say the bare minimum is x+6 points. Anything less than that is unacceptable.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

219 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:08:23
Robert Williams @215.

And I don't give a stuff what you think about me and my posts as you never have anything of interest to say, other than very rare appearances to gratuitously abuse others before scurrying off and hiding behind the sofa again.

Give me the likes of Steve Ferns over a half-trick pony like you any day.

Neil Copeland
220 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:15:25
I am generally optimistic about the blues and posted before the game about our good home form. Shows how much I know.

Sheffield United were very poor today which probably says it all given the result.

I can't make my mind up about Silva. Following the good run at the end of last season, I thought he was starting to look the part. Our battling display at Lincoln and determination shown against Wolves also gave me optimism. The defeats against Villa but particularly Bournemouth and today are bordering on unforgiveable. Silva looked lost in both games; to me that is very worrying.

Needless to say that a decent result on Tuesday is a must. A good result against Man City would work wonders for all but difficult to see it happening,

The players look like strangers, so much talent being wasted should be a crime. I have no idea what the answer is, not convinced about giving Silva more time but equally unconvinced about sacking.

Whatever happens though, anyone calling for Moyes needs to see a psychiatrist – get a fucking grip.


Bill Gall
221 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:21:56
I read on here supporters saying we have to get back to the Everton Way. What is the Everton Way?

How many years is it since we won anything, how many managers have we had since we won anything, Why is it that teams we play seem well coached, and we put in performances, and our players look like they had just met. How long will we go before we can win a game after going a goal down?

Having to continually having to ask these questions to me reads of disgraceful management from the top. I worked in mining for over 25 years and worked under some poor management that effected production rite throughout the organization; once the shareholders and owners realized what was going on they brought in more experienced managers and the production improved. This demonstrated that success starts at the top. And this is were Everton are failing.

Another statement I made was strikers may get you points but it is the defense that wins them. It is no use Silva complaining about the defense as he trains them, and the owner and board have no excuse to allow what is going on as they or him hired Silva

Chris Woods
222 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:24:02
I've followed ToffeeWeb for years now but this is my first post. This is as bad as I have felt in supporting Everton for 45 years. I can't believe any supporter can still want this clown in charge.

Today's tactics were on par with a teenager on his PlayStation; taking off a right-back for a winger is something you would do in a cup tie with 5 mins to go, he's totally out of his depth and needs to go now.

Jerome Shields
223 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:32:22
The performance of a badly prepared and trained team, with some individuals worse than others.

They would have made a shambles of any tactics. Passing the ball with no real purpose going through the motions and not being available to receive the ball. The Goalkeeper and centre-back prone to an error, because of lack concentration. The players that want to play, can't amongst this level of mediocrity around them.

The whole attitude and culture of the training ground must stink to high heaven. Silva and his head coach may be working hard and trying their best, but there a bigger push of poor attitude emanating from Finch Farm in the opposite direction.

They may even be successful and get Silva out of his job, because he tried to get them to work to get the best out of the players. Some of the players' attitude is questionable as well, the lack of self-motivation all too clear.

A fan on TalkSport who was at the match said that the players weren't playing for Silva. The truth always comes out in the wash, no matter how unpalatable it is.

Ernie Baywood
224 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:33:07
Woeful. Really woeful.

I'm not sure anyone really deserves singling out over the rest as they were all shite, but I'll reserve a little mention for our 'promising' centre-forward. I don't think I've seen a worse centre forward performance at Goodison. I'm including people like Brett Angell in that.

If he thinks that effort was in any way acceptable then he won't be here within a year. Send him on loan or something while he figures out how the game is played.

Andy Crooks
225 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:33:38
Jay, @ 207, that's a good post which I endorse. I have always thought that it is fair comment to call for a new coach without being expected to name a replacement.

Dyche, much as I admire him, is not for me and the return of Moyes would, to me, be more unpalatable that the appointment of Allardyce.

Robert Williams, Steve Ferns's post well thought out, considered posts. I like the way he writes and he always treats those who disagree with him respectfully.

I share your view, Robert, that the game is up for Silva, but I respect Steve's views and I think your comments are unfair.

As I said last week, I just have a gut feeling that there is no way back. I have no confidence in Silva and I look at every game with trepidation.

The coach has talked of nerves. That is utterly down to him. He looks uninspiring and utterly clueless. His performance today was as abject as Martinez at Southhampton in that dreadful 3-0 surrender. He must go.

Kevin Prytherch
226 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:40:32
Jay

Passive-aggressive behaviors are those that involve acting indirectly aggressive rather than directly aggressive.

Some comments from yourself are below - you decide...

“Sorry to pop your ego, but virtually nothing you wrote @ 4 happened. That's not how the game played out at all.
Nice try, though.”

“b) I then watch the game to make my own judgement of how the game ACTUALLY played out.”

“Brilliant, Kevin! @ 159.
Your predictive talents now extend to events that have concluded, but which you have yet to see.”

“Clear enough for you Kevin?
Try watching the match without a jaundiced eye rather than look for confirmation bias from others supporting your (80% incorrect) pre-match predictions.”

In addition - re-read what I posted. I did not make a comment that could be considered derogatory until all the above had already been said. I referenced your post @8 saying that I wished the game had ran like my last couple of paragraphs, with us managing to nick one. I referenced that post because you had replied to my original one - nothing sinister about it.

You made the whole thing into an argument while I was just trying to gather a view of how we played from others as I couldn't watch the game. I take no pride in predicting what might happen based on a team selection; however, several other posters have seen it differently to yourself.

Tom Dodds
227 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:40:53
All posts here have been made unnecessary by Roman @214.

Except he (obviously) forgot to add (as well) "Please can someone get rid of that fuckin Jonah, Bill Kenwright."

John Reynolds
228 Posted 21/09/2019 at 22:55:43
Steve -195 - I've appreciated your tactical acuity and advocacy of Silva and what he's trying to do since his appointment. I've said before that if I ever found myself on the wrong side of the law I'd be ringing you for an impassioned defence. But tonight I'm afraid I'm afraid you and Marco are straying into paralysis by analysis territory.

To my eyes, the last thing Silva is at the moment, is “reckless”. His conservatism is killing him. Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, maybe even Coleman (though I love him) all need to sit out games. He seems incapable of changing the structure or pattern of play and it is his inflexibility that worries me most.

He doesn't have to go full Lampard and throw in the kids but trusting only 14/15 players who let him down consistently will get him the sack sooner rather than later.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

229 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:06:14
Kevin @ 226.

And every one of those isolated quotes you attribute to me is taken out of context, ignoring the flow of our exchange and your own responses either side of them.

The written word is always starker than the spoken word. I would absolutely speak to you in the same terms face to face, poking fun at you for continuing to claim your original predictions were proved correct even though you hadn't seen anything of the game.

John Voigt
230 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:08:17
Silva deserves the sack... It most likely won't come for a while, but I don't see him turning around the season.
Simon Smith
231 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:14:45
Good to see we have a Hollywood opinion on this website John! Please invite Angelina to our home games.

Sorry couldn’t resist.

Ian Smitham
232 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:16:26
Good to read the various threads about the game and the state of the team.

I watched a game today, I saw an enthusiastic side roared on by enthusiastic support.

I have been going to Goodison since 1969, when we won the league, and have witnessed the good,bad, and ugly. Like many on here, we have played at whatever level and effort is the minimum criteria.

Not sure I saw a lack of effort today, but a complete lack of guile, tactics, imagination, enthusiasm, movement, were all there. Players, especially in midfield taking too many touches, an approach play that was so predictable, a defence that looks like the players are strangers, all together, a disjointed group.

Sheffield United were that, United. Limited, but with a plan they wanted and were willing to commit to being executed.

The job of the Manager is to .

A more uninspirational man would be hard to find, a body language analysis would be welcome to me at least.

To be fair, the owner, he is, for me is a property speculator, will do well out of the rumoured move to BMD. But the hardworking Evertonian, will have to pay to watch the sort of stuff served today.

The link is that the team needs to perform at a level that will maintain the fantastic support that the club enjoys, and always has had.

Today, as I walked to the pub after the game, there was unanimous opinion that what is being served up now is not good enough.

Who is to “blame” I am not qualified to know, Brands role must come under scrutiny, the Manager must be in the spotlight.

The players, well they are not exempt. Pickford is as inconsistent as can be, how a defender has confidence in him is beyond me. An accident waiting to happen, for all the good stuff he shows. Seamus shows how good he used to be, the centre backs look like they have never met each other, Siggy, great player on the ball, but bone idle, throws his arms about like our previous centre forward, Gomez, leggy, slow, Tom, full of energy, but needs managing. Snide, just get rid. Bernardo, the no nonsense Sheff Utd guys sorted that wimp out. Theo, moaning about time on pitch, get him off it. DCL, play him, develop him. Same with the guy who fell over every chance today. Richarlison is our best player, if I was him, I would leave.

So, friends, after the best early season fixtures we could have imagined for, we are where we are, allowing for Sunday outcomes, at best mid table.

I read on here how we are doing and the live forums, it is all so predictable, like our feeble attacking moves today, and I can only see one course of action.

At a higher level than me, taking the course of action may be easy, costly too, but who to get in is another matter, but it needs to be done sooner than later, and well before the next widow and the costs that will be incurred in merry go round of player and manager changes.

I have tried to be balanced in this contribution, to be honest, today we were absolute shxxe as bad as I have ever seen and someone needs to get a grip!!

Thanks for reading, Ian

Mark Wilson
233 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:27:11
When you manage a team that cannot come from behind you really have to get the team right from the start, have a shape that everyone is familiar with and well, yes, comfy with, so to speak. You need confidence but decent respect for the opposition.

We had none of the above against Sheffield, plus a manager in trouble from the beginning of the season. And most of the last one too.

Wrong team. Davies needed to play not Morgan and Iwobi for Glyfi just made sense as did Bernard returning. But even that may not have been enough. We simply haven’t come close to replacing Gana and Zouma. Gana should never have been allowed to leave regardless of age or contract, without a strong replacement and Gbamin isn’t that. We arrived at the start of the season with only two senior CB’s and we all knew that was a huge problem.

I know what some will say about Gana going. But we are too soft. Same with Lukaku. Neither replaced and it’s cost us so much.

No idea how bad this is going to get. Silva is stubborn and I can’t see him changing his approach but by Christmas it could be too late. I’ve always scoffed at those absurdly early sackings but six games in and there’s nothing. Zero. No optimism just dismay at the hopeless performances, lack of guile and fight, no urgency. A manager starting to look lost tbh.

People here will dive in I’m sure. Rubbish, fume, OTT, it’s early days, give him time, Marcel needs several windows, the wind was against us nada nada nada.

It’s been the same since Mr Moshiri arrived. And for years before. Identical in fact. OTT hope, stinging disappointment. Embarrassing, dire performances. Year after year after year. What to do? Stop doing the same thing or the same things will happen. Change the mgt? Play several kids? Change the setup of the team ? I’m not paid to make the decisions like everyone else here but I can’t believe that carrying on like this will work for us.

But in the meantime the stadium plans are going great, EiTC win more deserved awards. We have the best ever potential start on record and most of us haven’t a clue how we are again embarrassing ourselves. So doing something different, drastic even, feels more and more attractive frankly as we’ve tried everything else and are still rubbish.

Winning is the only progress.

Jay Harris
234 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:36:41
It is easy to let our emotions and frustrations out and call for immediate remedies.

The problem is that things are now so bad at Everton that there is no easy quick fix.

We need a plan and a champion who is also a leader and will not accept second best in any function.

That person is not Moshiri and its as sure as fuck not Kenwright and don't get me started on Lady "Everton in the Community". Its no wonder we are a laughing stock..

Silva is like a lamb to the slaughter so was Martinez. Koemans answer to the nonesense that goes on behind the scenes was to take a golfing holiday and wait for the payoff. In his first season we were building something then Kenwright agreed to let Lukaku go and did not replace him.

We need a Shankly, Clough or Ferguson but instead we've got a lamb.

The team are playing like little lambs.

After today I am convinced that Silva hasnt got any balls and has zero imagination and tactical nous.

Anyone who can follow the debacle at Bournemouth with that nonesense today does not deserve to be a premiership manager and is certainly not fit to manage Everton.

Liam Reilly
235 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:42:30
Thought I'd save this and watch a good win after the kids have gone to bed.

FUCK OFF EVERTON

Bobby Thomas
236 Posted 21/09/2019 at 23:57:43
Brian #129

I agree with you about the midfield. It's a big problem.

One paced, slow and ponderous. Minus Gana, it doesn't offer the centre backs as much protection. There's no energy, no legs, no pressure on the ball.

In addition, no-one gets beyond the ball and breaks lines and makes runs in behind. This was a problem anyway and one we did nothing about. The passing is slow, predictable and lacks tempo; only Gomez offers any kind of incisive passing. Oh, and there's no variety and no real depth.

Steve #195

That's optimistic on Gbamin. He hasn't had a pre-season and will need to get up to speed, new to the Prem fresh off about 3 months out. It's going to be around 2020 before he's up to the required level physically. And he has to adapt to the Prem. By all accounts (I didn't see it) he seemed way of it at Palace. Its already got a bit of "one for next season" about it.

I thought over the last couple of years we had made positive strides in improving the spine of our side. But minus Zouma we are weaker at centre back. Minus Gana we are weaker in mid. And there is still no proven front man to replace Lukaku. The spine of the side is poor. It's slow and lacks athleticism. Our mid lacks presence and running power. And not having a quick centre back, especially when Silva likes to play as he does, is inexcusable.

And this is after trousering £50 million for Stones, £30 million for Gana and £80 mil for Lukaku. The Sigurdsson transfer was a joke. He's 30 yrs old already.

Phillip Warrington
237 Posted 21/09/2019 at 00:04:17
We have now been beaten by two of the promoted teams, struggled against the teams out of the top 6 of last season. God help us when we play the top six this season.
Jason Broome
238 Posted 21/09/2019 at 00:14:23
The only surprise is that anyone is surprised.

Silva was shit last season and (you guessed it) more of the same this season. Honestly, seriously... How is anyone on here surprised?

Joe Corgan
239 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:15:43
There's a little Spanish former midfielder 30 miles down the M62 who'd be a great fit as manager. A gamble, yes, but surely he'd get a better tune out of this expensive, talented squad than the totally uninspiring Silva has done.
Ian Riley
240 Posted 21/09/2019 at 00:22:00
After calming down this evening and reflecting on today. My question is was the result a complete surprise? We have lost to Aston Villa, Bournemouth, and Sheffield United. All whom have British managers. A working mentality to their play. "Get at them" and see what they are made of. Everton were like that under Moyes. Work hard and in games like today win. Against more talented sides they would have to battle to get the win against us and with quality let them earn it. If they were not up for the battle we could get a result.

Today we had over £250 million pounds worth of talent in our team. Imagine if someone said that 5 years ago or 10. Problem is we don't have players who want to do the hard work of the game. Sheffield united won the battle, stopped us playing, no fluency to our game. The midfield is were it's won and lost. We have no-one to do the donkey work. Tackle and pass it to a player with more ability to change the game. A graverson or carsley who break up play and stop the opposition playing.

In the summer we let Gueye go to PSG. A player who made more tackles and covered more ground than anyone in the league. Sadly not replaced. Need a striker or centre half? No, we needed another Gueye or two like him. Our recruitment has lost its way. Our team lacks the grit, fight for your team mate, will to work harder against teams like Aston Villa or Sheffield United. We don't have those players. We will struggle against teams with less ability but will work harder than us.

Today was about getting at them. We are to nice and no fight when going behind. Today we expected to win. Against Wolves they let us play and like wise. If we are not going to struggle all season against less talented sides, then the manager needs to drop players not working hard enough. Ability is pointless without work rate. Sadly today and last week we showed a soft belly. I fear this will put our Premier League status in question unless the director of football addresses this in January.

John Raftery
241 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:23:33
The first priority now for Silva is to make ourselves difficult to beat. That was the case last winter. In many ways we are back to where we were in February. Forget trying to play fancy football from the back. Defend in depth, move the ball upfield far more quickly and make better use of set pieces. Easier said than done with the current personnel but not impossible.

Those who hammered Silva for not starting with Kean in place of DCL in previous games saw today why the manager has been reluctant to use him. The lad is not ready to lead the line in the Premier League. It was sad to see the confidence being drained from him in this game.

Alexander Murphy
242 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:27:13
Time for a new TW Poll.

Chop.

Kieran Kinsella
243 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:30:58
Ian Riley

It wasn't a surprise. I was surprised people were surprised. But I guess optimism helps keeps people coming back. I don't fault the optimists – I just have no optimism left.

Rob Marsh
244 Posted 22/09/2019 at 01:00:52
John Reynolds @ 228

He doesn't have a lot to lose by throwing in kids at this stage, he needs to start rolling the dice to save his job.

Mike Doyle
245 Posted 22/09/2019 at 02:35:35
Ernie #224] You have to feel sorry for Kean. 19 years old, new country, doesn't speak the language etc... Nowhere near ready to be a starter in the Premier League – and we'll wreck him if we continue to do so.

As an example Klopp paid c£50m for Naby Keira – then had him in training for most of his first season until he acclimatised to the British game. And this guy was an experienced player.

However, and it pains me to say it, the RS go about their business in a far more impressive way than us – and their recruitment is excellent.

Laurie Hartley
246 Posted 21/09/2019 at 02:39:04
Steve # 195 - “if it were me at half time” - see what you did there. Sorry Steve time to let him go; he will never vindicate you. I have found that in life it always pays to admit when you are wrong painful though it can be at the time.

Tony # 209 - “The one happy thing is that we never lose to Sheffield Wednesday when it counts. It's the law.”

No offence but I wish you hadn’t said that.

I started watching the pre match press interview and turned it off after about 5 minutes. He is going through the motions. I wasn’t in the least bit surprised by the result.

We need someone with a proven track record.


Andrew Dempsey
247 Posted 22/09/2019 at 03:16:34
We don't need someone with a proven track record. It means nothing. Managerial experience is irrelevant. It is a game, taking place within a rectangle. Everybody understands it. That's why it's so popular.

We need Cahill and Arteta. Or, Arteta and Cahill. Whatever way they want to work it. That's the combination we need.

How do I know? The answer is, I don't. I just feel it extremely powerfully inside.

And the people who want Mourinho, guess what, you don't know how that will go either. My feeling on that is - very badly. If Zidane is sacked and Perez reappoints Mourinho, that will go very badly too, because Mourinho is finished as a top level manager.

Arteta is the tactics, Cahill is the motivator - that's what we need. Make it happen, Moshiri. I know you're reading this, pissed yet cogent, just like me.

Derek Knox
248 Posted 22/09/2019 at 03:40:10
Andrew, while I tend to agree with your first two sentences, I appreciate there are no guarantees with either players or managers alike.

Players as well as Managers have to start somewhere to build a reputation for being a regular and consistent performer. Thing is, the way the Prem is now, it costs millions to find out the hard way.

Strange is it not that Guardiola has just advocated a couple of days ago, that Arteta would be the ideal choice should Pep not extend his contract, coincidence or perhaps he knew there was a bad odour at Everton.

That would be a dream team for me, Arteta with Tim as Coach/Motivator, they couldn't possibly do any worse than the long line of Clowns and their Assistants that we have recently appointed.

Jay Harris
249 Posted 22/09/2019 at 04:26:11
Andrew,

You must have read my mind.

I said on another post that Mikel and Tim would make a great combination and, with Moyes as general manager to sort the admin out, we would have a very capable management team.

Only an opinion because you don't know till you try it but anything has to be better than this tripe.

John Voigt
250 Posted 22/09/2019 at 05:12:06
What's wrong with the current regime???

We got like 13 shots vs. 1 shot...

70% possession...

12 corner kicks to 3 corner kicks...

It's just plain dumb luck that the 1st corner we conceded turned out to be an own goal and our opponent was just as lucky to score on their only shot of the match...

Let's face it, it's not every team that can concede two goals on one total shot!!! That's quite the stat!!! And we did this at home to a newly promoted side...

This would be comical, except it's the truth... and this is the the team I support...

I won't be switching my loyalties but I'll be lowering my expectations... This year's Everton team isn't a top half team and I just hope they find a way to head off a relegation battle!!!

Henry Lloyd
253 Posted 22/09/2019 at 05:58:44
I have said it before many times before and I will say it for the last time:

"Marco Silva, collect your belongings and all of your so called Coaching Staff and get out of my Football Club immediately"!

Charles McCann
255 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:09:08
Yet another match where Silva makes a mess of things. I'm convinced, if Silva had held his nerve and stuck with the style of football we had been using up until the first substitutions, we would have scored at least a couple of goals. To bring off Bernard was a joke as he had been the one player whom with his skill and ability was looking dangerous.

It was clear Moise Kean needed replacing as he was starting to struggle and Sigurdson also was having little impact and so could have been subbed. The final straw was taking of Seamus who had played really well and putting on Walcott.

The team at this stage became totally out of shape and completely clueless. Going with two up front and playing more direct was a panic move by Silva. We just needed to up the tempo and intensity of our play and Sheffield Utd would have cracked under the pressure.

I do feel Silva will have to go as he is showing no signs of learning from previous mistakes. This is his usual predictable tactic which clearly doesn't work.

Arteta is a great shout to replace Silva assisted by Cahill. No need for Moyes in my opinion. Moshiri needs to act quickly before we lose team morale.

Gerry Ring
256 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:40:11
I’d love to see Arteta coming in however I’m surprised that nobody suggested bringing Lee Carsley onto the coaching staff as well. He is currently with the England U21 team & highly regarded. He’s one of our own & has blue blood running through his veins. As for Silva, his career to date is one of total mediocrity with absolutely zero experience of being a winner. I’ve said it before, if things don’t go to his initial “plan”, he doesn’t have the ability to make changes to counter what’s happening on the pitch. When the taxi is ordered, make sure there is room for Duncan as well. Offers nothing either!
Laurie Hartley
257 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:41:34
Andrew # 247 - “We don’t need someone with a proven track record. It means nothing. Managerial experience is irrelevant.”

That is an interesting point of view - I am going to have a think about that.

Paul Ward
258 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:49:53
I think the consensus of opinion on this thread is anger, frustration and disappointment. Many posters are blaming individual players because of their inability and or lack of effort. Then there are the ones who blame the manager and want him sacked now.

Managers need some time to show their capabilities, by results, use of players and tactics for different opponents. Silva has demonstrated he has only one plan, that being against an open attacking team. He has no idea of breaking down a defensive set up like Sheffield United and many more we have failed against.

Like the last 3 managers it is obvious he is not going to get better so Brands and owner should be doing everything possible to find a successor, then sack him.

I must admit I would like to try Arteta and Cahill.

Annika Herbert
259 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:54:09
Watford lose 8-0 and loads of their fans happy because we lost too!! They believe we are so bad they should get 3 points off us at Goodison. How much lower can we sink?!!
A small, crap outfit, like Watford yet they laugh at us. It is so depressing being an Everton fan at times
Derek Knox
260 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:36:01
Annika, I take your point but we have already played Watford at Goodison, and narrowly beat them 1-0, don't know what happened against them, and Wolves a fortnight later, but apparently winning at home was an expected occurrence. :-)
James Newcombe
261 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:51:43
As MOTD dissected the game, what kept coming up was our lack of movement - the forwards just stand like statues, and so there’s no good ball. It’s inevitably played wide and crossed in. I have high hopes for Kean but he’s not good in the air. Neither is Tosun. United’s centre halfs easily dealt with the attack time and again. Bournemouth were more enthusiastic and quicker to every first and second ball than us. Why isn’t Silva seeing this?
Martin Berry
262 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:59:13
Its worrying that we have not yet played a side who creates multiple chances, it appears you only need one to beat Everton in their currents state.
The does not seem to be a proper balance and its all very predictable, get it wide and pump in the crosses, yet the player who could get on the end of those DCL is left on the bench, it made no sense.
Kim Vivian
263 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:02:50
If you're going to employ tactics which basically amount to pumping cross balls into the area from the wings why the fuck don't you employ a target man who can at least get up and get his head on the ball. For all his criticisms DC-L is good at winning headers and he is a combatant - the sort of player you need against teams like Sh Utd. After actually managing to get on the score sheet last week which will surely have improved his confidence, Silva drops him to the subs bench and doesn't even bring him on for 20 - 30 mins, thus probably erasing the regained confidence. If he had come on and somehow rescued a point (rescued a point - against SU - ffs!) then we might be seeing Dom up and running.

If you're going to use tricky on the floor type players - Kean, Bernard, Richie, Iwobi (I know he was a sub) then play the game on the deck, which is where we seem to make better in roads.

As Brian Clough (I think) once said - grass was made for playing football on, so keep it on the grass - or words to that effect.

Finally how we can have accrued just one point from Palace, Villa, B'mouth and Sheff Utd is just staggering. Two months ago you would have banked on at least 9 and probably wouldn't get a price for min 5 points. And just 5 more points would have us sitting third today.

I feel utterly despondent about our club today, having perused the league table..

Danny Baily
264 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:23:27
We should resist the temptation to bring back former players for their first job in management as some have suggested. It won't end well.

We should start looking for a new manager though. A winner from the lower leagues or an experienced bigger name.

It's not so much a matter of personnel as much as it's a matter of tactics. A good manager (and backroom team) would have us comfortably safe this season.

Jerome Shields
265 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:25:02
James #261.

If a forwards makes runs and no attempt is made to get the ball too him, he will get feed up making runs. Secondly if the play to him is slow it means he is easily marked or he has made the run and the opportunity wasn't taken by the player that's feeding him quickly enough.

And lastly in Everton s case the player who has got the ball going through the motions, making himself available to receive the balls in unchallenged positions and than passing the ball on with no meaning and purpose, just to get did of it.

If you are a forward watching a ball passed backwards, you are not in the equation at all, you might as well have a seat in the stands.

To anyone watching its like watching a game of pass the parcel with no prizes. Yes there is loads of ineffective possession and tactics that look unproductive. If you where a opposition team manager, you would like Everton to have as much of possession as they want, to tire themselves out and tel! Your players opportunities wil! come. Possession like that is no threat what do ever.

Lack of Speed and movement the result of poor preparation and training and a total lack of motivation.


Andrew Clare
266 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:47:04
It just seems like we are going around in circles. Hiring and firing mediocre managers and getting nowhere. We have become and have been for the best part of three decades a mid-table team.
If we really want to challenge for the top six we need to find a manager who has won things and who has high expectations and high standards.
The candidate has to come from abroad as British managers are just too limited and tactically inept.
I really wanted it to work out for Silva but it’s not happening and if something very positive doesn’t happen in the next three games I think he will be gone.
Jerome Shields
267 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:47:07
All you need enough players like this and the whole squad will be forced to play the same.
Rob Hooton
268 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:12:28
Someone mentioned that you couldn’t fault the players effort, this might be so but you can fault their commitment which is something else entirely.
Committed to getting there first, making the tackle, reacting for the second ball, tracking your man and so forth.
We are lacking urgency and it is painful to watch.
Mark Pridgeon
269 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:25:28
I am born and bred Everton, I predicted the sacking of this muppet about 8 months ago, and targeted November this year after another expected abysmal start to the season, however this is beyond my most pessimistic of expectations. We should be up with the shite considering who we have played and the players Marcel Brands has managed to draft in. I think strategically we need to think when to sack Marco. Monday would be good!!
Robert Williams
270 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:38:26
JW 219

As I said, I believe you were right on that one point. Keep spouting something cohesive will eventually come out!

Robert Williams
271 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:45:35
We now have a points tally of 7 (seven) leaving us 3 (three) points above the drop zone which currently has the likes of the mighty Aston Villa, Wolves and Watford - all of whom we have struggled against so far this season. The next game could well see us replacing one of those. If that happens what are the chances of changes both on and off the field?
Anyone want to buy a Season Ticket?
Jerome Shields
272 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:50:40
Robert #271

Panic rather than changes, maybe more accurate.

Tony Everan
273 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:53:15
I heard we pumped in 30 crosses yesterday, we had 12 corners.

if that was the strategy why have DCL on the bench?

There just doesn't seem to be the basic joined up, logical thinking through of tactics at the moment.

Sheffield had 11 players and a manager not many people have even heard of, but to their and their managers credit they had us worked out before the game started. And executed it well throughout the game, players playing as a team working hard and becoming more than the sum of their parts.

A shameful day for Everton, and marco Silva got one thing right when he said it is ''just not good enough''

Paul A Smith
274 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:55:33
Just sack him. Lets change manager again. Keep doing things the right way as in selling our best and not replacing them.

When the new man comes in we can tell him to start Kean over DCL then when that fails we should say it should have been 442.

This is just a comical cycle now. Exactly what I predicted 2 summers ago and this summer.

I'm not clever at all but could see this coming a mile off.
We have so called genius's working for us that thought we had done great things in the summer.
How embarrassing.

All those that loved the grim summer window are now turning on Silva because we don't like to admit our own poor judgement while Brands will get away with it.

Robert Williams
275 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:07:35
JS 272 - Panic yea! They say you can smell panic and some bugger sitting in front of me must have been in panic mode or talking through his arse! It is not a nice smell - panic!! I do hope it does not catch on otherwise the whole place will stink - pretty much like the current set up.
Roman Sidey
276 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:13:39
Tom Dodds, I didn't forget to call for the ridding of Kenwright because I don't waste column space on fairy-tales. We're stuck with him, sadly.
Stephen Davies
277 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:13:57
Mike #245
Maybe having top notch professionals and a clear vision at every stage of the club has something to do with it.
Amit Vithlani
278 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:35:08
I am sorry to turn on Brands because of this season's shit shows is totally ridiculous. There are too many on the pitch failings that do not add up.

1. We do not need a world class CB pairing to defend set pieces half decently. Worst record in the division last year. Changed it to mix man marking / zonal at the end of last season and hey presto we looked better. Inexplicably in the last 2 games our man marking goes to pot again costing 3 goals. Why? Mina may lack pace but is absolutely not inferior to Zouma at defending crosses.

2. Pickford has a weakness on crossing. Why are the coaches not working on this?

3. Iwobi & Kean start together in two games and we score 7 in total. They are rotated in next two and we score one. Same story in first 3 games of the season where we scored 1. Does that not suggest keeping them in starting line up? How will forwards build an understanding if they are constantly rotated?

4. The biggest point of all is this. Silva is coming up to 50 games in charge. In his reign, we have not won once after going behind. His record of points gained after making substitutions is also pretty dismal. How is that going to work out? Law of averages suggests we will fall behind in a few games. As soon as opposition score first, under Silva it is game over. That is absolutely a coaching and tactical issue.

5. Finally, if you are telling me the squad assembled by Brands is inferior to Villa, Bournemouth and Sheff United you are having a total laugh.

No, I am afraid the 3 poor results are to be pinned on the coach. We are near 50-games into his reign and there are deep rooted flaws emerging.

As for our squad, factually we have more pace and power going forward than we did before Brands arrived. We have bought Richarlison, Iwobi and Kean. There is no way such a good array of talent should put in such a dismal attacking performance as we saw yesterday.

That array of talent (3 full internationals) is definitely capable of turning around a deficit at home against an inferior side.

That they were used so poorly in the last 2 games is an issue for the coach, not the DoF.

Paul Tran
279 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:01:44
Silva is now 10/11 to be next sacked manager. 6/1 at half time yesterday (I got on), 2/1 after the match.

After that interview yesterday I can see why.

We were lots of things yesterday, unlucky was not one of them. Some may take comfort in a barrage of meaningless statistics, my eyes saw a slow, ponderous team create very few chances and make basic defensive errors. A pattern we have seen regularly under Silva. Of course players make individual errors, when the same failings show up again and again, the finger points to the manager.

In that interview, Silva looked and sounded like a man who couldn't believe what he had just seen, like a man bereft of solutions, like a man drifting towards the end of his time here

He needs to respond on Tuesday. His job depends on it.

Paul A Smith
281 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:22:42
Apparently we haven't won since 2016 since going behind.
Its not new under Silva.
The question is, who do you expect to change them games?
Calvert-Lewin?
Kean?

Its all on Richarlison and Sigurdsson to get the goals and they are not exactly lethal as even Vardy or Rashford.

The cost of having no real striker is immense. Nobody to take the pressure off the defenders when its tough.

I don't believe for one minute we would be this bad with a real striker. I can't believe anyone does.

We don't even have anyone making runs like a striker.

John Voigt
282 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:23:14
Here's Marco Silva's Win% at his last 3 clubs... This doesn't inspire confidence!

Team GP W D L WIN% DATES
Everton 53 20 15 18 37.7 31 May 2018 - Present
Watford 26 8 5 13 30.8 27 May 2017 - 21 Jan 2018
Hull City 22 8 3 11 36.4 05 Jan 2017 - 25 May 2017

Paul A Smith
283 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:33:36
I've got no affection for Silva personally but I don't see big changes being maintained with a new manager.

The next man will take us so far and show flaws.
The honeymoon period will fade out and we will see younger players with indifferent form and anyone getting headlines sold.

Paul Kelly
284 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:37:48
Don't worry people, he done something with Estoril, beat Arsenal in the CL, relegated Hull after getting them out of the bottom three, got 5 points from a possible 30 in charge of Watford.

What's to worry about?

Paul A Smith
286 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:44:30
Didn't we all moan about "Brand of football" under Allardyce?
Now Sheff United and Villa have beaten us in smash and grabs its all of a sudden a weapon against Silva's football?

Views are so distorted its unreal. If we want results with this team we have to play a Wilder or Allardyce way because theres far more class in the league than we have.

I don't see Silva ever setting up this way, does anyone?
The board were crazy for going for a style of play manager without buying class. It hasn't been thought through properly as the saying goes.

Bournemouth have tried playing football for years and they lose at least 10 games a season and draw loads. Give them De Bruyne, Sterling and Bernardo Silva and I reckon their football gets higher rewards.

Oliver Molloy
287 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:53:21
The rumblings will begin even more today when Brands will "advise" Silva of team selection etc etc.
Like all familiar scenario's Brands will blame anyone but himself for the current poor results and as far as I am concerned he is as equal to what is happening on the field as Silva is.

We needed three top players, proven striker, quick dependable centre half and of course Gana needed replaced ( and a player like him was always going to be hard to find ).
Brands delivered none of the above so he must take it on the chin like the manager.
I remember when I gave my opinion of Brands after his version of events and how he signed Mina, I said it was a little early to be patting yourself on the back, some on here thought I was out of order so to speak, well I stick by what I said, fucking anyone could have done better than the Walsh and co.

I would respect Brands and Silva if they came out and said "our players need to stand and be counted " or words to that effect.
Shocking at how some of them are faking it at the moment from rolling around on the ground, not getting stuck in to 50-50's and just not be able to pass the fucking ball.
rant over for now !

Paul A Smith
288 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:04:48
Oliver its good to see someone speaking outside the mainstream opinion.

People seem reluctant, incapable or scared to go and question what has been going on with the squad since Moshiri arrived.

Nobody has even asked why theres a 2nd "genius" above the manager and we are finishing lower than we were before Moshiri.

I'm not even bothered if we sack him now its just continuous mis management everywhere.

We beat City 4-0 and the press grilled Pep on what changes he was going to have to make. He said none. We will work harder.

He knew he wasn't going to change up because he was going to get the players he needed to go for teams.

City are a different scale of course but we can't be playing beautiful football with nobody to kill teams on a regular basis.

We still have players that struggled under Koeman's poor football.

John Raftery
289 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:15:53
It is interesting to note that many of the fans who could not wait to see the back of Allardyce have now turned on Silva and Brands after our first defeat at home since February. When Allardyce was in charge some said they would prefer to see us lose than win with what they saw as his dinosaur approach. That preference is now being granted as we tap the ball around aimlessly and concede easy goals.

Unless matters deteriorate catastrophically there is nothing to be gained with yet another change of manager at this stage. Silva has shown he can pull the team out of a bad run and get us through a season. I expect him to do so again once the new players have adjusted to their new environment and/or recovered from injury. On that basis we have to stick with him at least for this season.

Alastair Kelly
290 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:17:31
Eddie Howe.
Tony Hill
291 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:33:18
Correct, John @289. We cannot keep changing. As you have said somewhere else, we need to dig in now and avoid defeats. This season can still be a success.
Amit Vithlani
292 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:48:44
"Apparently we haven't won since 2016 since going behind.
Its not new under Silva."

Er no, we went 2-0 down against Watford (for whom Silva was in charge) and won 3-2 in November 2017. Under Unsworth, a rookie at this level.

Under Koeman, we won 4-2 v Leicester after going a goal down in April 2017. Even Allardyce steered us to a win vs Swansea after going behind in December 2017.

Coaches who were rookies or mediocre (Allardyce) have managed to garner a win from going behind. Allardyce & Unsworth also had a vastly inferior line up to what Silva can field.

With Silva, the sense of deflation after conceding a goal is palpable. The law of averages also says we will go behind so it is a problem that must be addressed or we will lose many more games.

The squad we have is capable of beating Bournemouth, Villa and Sheff United. Instead we accrued zero points from three winnable games, 1 goal scored 7 conceded.

If Silva you think deserves more time, fine. That is a different debate.

But to pin this on Brands is ridiculous, especially as the glaring failures of the current on pitch set up are so obvious.

Denis Richardson
293 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:53:58
Kim 263c,

Think Clough said something like football was meant to be played on the ground, otherwise god would have put grass on clouds.

Take your point non the less.

Lot of analysis of the game and tactics, which is to be expected, but personally I think it’s all a bit pointless. The man in the dug out is simply not up to the job and never was in English football. Let him go back to Greece or Portugal with his millions for failing and stop wasting our time.

Also a few saying we were unlucky given possession and shots. I can buy that in isolation but when you add the Bournemouth and Villa results then things look decidedly different. You make your own luck and setting up with 7 defensive players to start a game at home to Sheffield Utd says it all. Also it’s easy to have loads of possession when you just pass it sideways and backwards. We had a live example of this not too long ago with another manager.

Looking forward to the city game as thats apparently when Silvas counter attacking legendary tactics come into play.

John Hammond
294 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:54:42
So here's what will probably happen: We'll beat Wednesday on Tuesday, draw with City on Saturday then go to Burnley and nick a winner in the dying seconds. This weed I'm smoking is good stuff.
Paul A Smith
295 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:01:50
Amit that was just something I heard yesterday and couldn't remember so my mistake for believing it.

However I can look at the bigger picture and easily hold Brands Moshiri and Silva all being at fault.

Only Silva has to work with their faults. No doubt he will make tactical errors but I don't doubt for a second we have dominated in our 3 defeats and lacked the quality to go ahead nevermind come back.

Derek Knox
296 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:07:58
John @289, while I agree a change of manager is not ideal, can you honestly envisage us getting anywhere with this idiot? He hasn't got a clue, has no leadership
qualities, has no strategies to combat going a goal down, doesn't know how to assess the opposition, and pick a team to deal with that.

I could go on with many other of his glaring deficiencies, but I'm sure there will be many more to highlight those in the days/weeks to come. What exacerbates the situation, is he has better quality players under his tutelage then ever before, and still can't fashion a decent showing.

As many have stated already, the pre-season was poorly planned, with very disappointing results, against mediocre opposition, and the start to this season, (all games we were expected to win and should have) has yielded 7 points out of a possible 18.

Those wins haven't been convincing by any stretch of anyone's imagination, with the possible exception of Silva himself, who still probably didn't see anything wrong.

Only one solution I'm afraid, and it involves a human cannon, preferably close to a cliff.

Denis Richardson
297 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:19:38
Paul 295 - we’ve spent about £200m on 8 players in the last 15 months. A figure that’s far higher than the value of the whole Sheffield Utd squad. I’d say that means Moshiri is backing the DoF and manager. Not sure what else Moshiris supposed to do.

How can you really say we were lacking quality against Utd?

On paper we have a much better team than Shef Utd and Villa (Bournemouth debateable). Whilst the summer transfers weren’t perfect, I have to disagree that we didn’t have enough to win at least two of those three games (never mind losing all three). That lies squarely with the manager for me. We play the exact same tactics regardless of opposition or whether home or away, and continue when they’re not even working. It’s fairly easy for other teams to play against us as it’s so obvious how we’re going to play.

That stat of Silva not managing a single win in 50 games after going behind is incredible. Even I didn’t think it was that bad.

The guy is a complete empty suit as a Premiership manager. Only shame is that when (not if) he’s fired he’s still going to walk off with millions in comp!

Peter Neilson
298 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:31:31
I can only judge Silva by what I see on the pitch and it’s a very poor reflection. Saturday was probably a new low. Couldn’t see any discernible style of play other than am obsession with possession and throwing on forwards with no plan on how to use them. Can’t think of one player that has improved under him. It’s not just the results it’s the lack of incremental progress that makes me question him.
Paul A Smith
299 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:41:19
Denis I am not comparing us to Sheffield United. I find all that pointless and irrelevant.
Norwich beat City last week. Its easier to compare us to the football the fans all asked for and what the manageris trying to do.

Having watched all 3 defeats, and saw us dominate, i would say if you want us to play like the teams we lost to I am all for that too.

Their fans were on the ropes throughout them games. We couldn't finish our moves off.
We could go for the smash and grab football and I will be happy if we are winning.

Amit Vithlani
300 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:43:33
Paul, there are in my opinion 3 strands of debate which should be seperated:

1. Moshiri's decision making: No doubt in my mind that the bloke has been good for us financially, but were you to say you worry over his decision making on appointments I would probably agree with you. The appointments of Koeman, Allardyce and Walsh were a huge mistake. I think Silva is presently going down that road too. As for Brands, see below.

2. The performance of Brands. Here I diverge. It is without question that Brands was given a brief that he has followed to the letter. First, clear out the dreadful acquisitions by Walsh and Martinez and replace ageing legs. Buy young talent and the odd seasoned pro mixed in. There is no doubt in my mind that he has done that job in tough circumstances.

3. The pursuit of Silva. To this day, this is a mystery. Remember the approach was pre-Brands. He was Moshiri's man. If Silva is axed, then Moshiri will have failed with 4 out of 5 appointments.

Here's the thing. The job of appointing the next coach should unquestionably be left to the DoF. Brands is a proven operator and deserves the chance to head hunt the next coach.

Moshiri's judgement is suspect. Kenwright's too (viz. Martinez). Brands has not appointed any coaches to date.

My view: if Silva is to be given time fine, but if he fails to deliver, the job of finding his successor should be left to Brands.

Paul Tran
301 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:45:50
Well, here's my 'non-mainstream' take on what's happened to the squad since Moshiri took over.

Under Koeman/Walsh we bought wastefully. Part of that was out of necessity, as we have to pay over the odds in wages to attract players. Part of that was over-played confidence in Koeman's judgement of players and Walsh's fiscal discipline.

Koemans departure left us with an imbalanced squad on high wages with little sell-on value. Big, big mistake letting Barry go - he had more to offer as a player and should have been earmarked for the coaching staff. What is our problem with having top PL players on our coaching staff?

Allardyce bought Walcott & Tosun for c£50m. That looks good now, doesn't it?

In my view, particularly given the above fiscal handicap, Brands/Silva have done better in the transfer market.
Gbamin was bought to replace Gana and got injured, that was unlucky. Tomolli was joining us until Luis unexpectedly left Chelsea. I would argue that Mina, Digne, Richarlison, Bernard, Iwobi & Delph are good signings. Kean is a promising kid that'll need time. I'd have liked a 'proven' striker, but they're hard to find. Sandro & Tosun are clogging the wage bill, making that particular gamble even more risky.

With the squad we had yesterday, I see any half-decent manager producing a reasonably solid defence and midfield, with an abundance of pace and movement up front.

Why are we not showing this? Why are we playing like the over 60s priests team from Father Ted?

I don't think Brands is the reason.

I'm sure Silva wants the fast, flexible, energetic, creative team we all want. But it's not happening. If we had the proven striker, would he get enough chances to score under Silva?

I hope in a couple of years time, I've been proven wrong and people are taking me to task on this post. I think Silva's the weakness here. Moshiri has created a system where the manager delivers or is dumped. Paying him off will be cheaper than buying a journeyman player from the Championship.

I'm an optimist and even I'm struggling with Silva. I hope Moshiri & Brands are sounding out coaches and their agents as we speak.

Paul A Smith
302 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:49:11
Amit I think there is some substance to all your points I just don't see anyone working miracles with a lack of options in Central defence and serious lack of quality up front.

I cannot forgive the lack of options the manager has got - to make the difference in games we are not playing well in. If we are playing well its even more beneficial to have a good forward.

I am also ignorant to Brands past in Holland. Its a completely different ball game and way of doing business.

How many Dutch genius have left Britain with their head in their hands now?

Not that defines Brands but substance has to be consistant and this summer has left Moshiri's man short of quality.

Ian Riley
303 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:52:17
Interesting stat about coming from behind in games. Two reasons for this could be. Firstly, the manager doesn't know what is needed to turn the game around or we don't have the players to impact the game when they come on.

I feel alot of head scratching to be had tomorrow. How much longer can the owner keep pouring money into our club? Funny how we thought money would bring success. More confused now than when we didn't have it.

Amit Vithlani
304 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:53:22
Paul T - much better put than me.

Mind you, I do respect Paul S' views.

What I am sure we all agree on is yesterday was a terrible day to be an Evertonian. Our supporters club gathering was a pretty morose affair. It must have been 100x worse for match-goers!

Paul A Smith
305 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:55:37
Amit I agree with that totally but as predicted on here previously it didn't suprise me.

If I saw it coming, the high earners should have easily seen it.

Darren Hind
306 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:59:49
"6/1 at half time yesterday (I got on) "

That put the first smile on my face since yesterday, PT

A twat of a day, but absolutely no reason why we should be looking to soften the blow.

Admirable opportunism

James Marshall
307 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:05:58
Martinez 2.0

Keep doing the same things and hope for a different result. Watford fans laughed when he came to us, they knew, they'd seen it. He's a shit manager. I for one never wanted him.

The sooner he leaves the better. And no, I don't know who could do the job because of who we can attract, and also who's available. Just not this jester. He even sounds like Martinez in his interviews now.

40 years Evertonian and I've lost all interest in the club. I barely sulk or react when we lose these days. Maybe it's age, or maybe I've just had the heart beaten out of me. It's just not fun anymore. I don't even bother going to games either. What's the point?

Derek Knox
308 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:06:10
Amit, some good points there you have made, let's start with 1. I have always said that Moshiri was initially the answer to a long awaited prayer, but also said it is patently obvious he is NOT a Footballing man. Who the hell has ill-advised him in not only appointing a Triad, of unsuitable Managers who have further spent exorbitant sums of money, on over-priced, unsuitable players?

2. Marcel Brands has been a breath of fresh air, albeit too late, as millions (which could have been more sensibly been used) has been proliferated on players and compensation for previous managerial mistakes/dismissals.

3. Who the hell advised Moshiri to head hunt Silva? Not only was he a serial loser, but had never achieved anything of note. As you so rightly pointed out Brands was not on board/Board then!

Hopefully Brands will be involved in the approval/appointment of the next Manager, and I also hope it is sooner rather than later, otherwise we will have the best Stadium in the Championship/League 1.

Paul Tran
309 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:11:27
Silva linings, Darren. Silva linings. I've printed the slip off, just in case he delivers us trophies and I can laugh at my 2019 judgement!
John Pierce
310 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:14:55
PT. Measured as always but underneath it all quite a stinging rebuke of the manager.

There are many who know Silva is not good enough but baulk at change because we have a veritable revolving door.

Time is the luxury we cannot afford, and that is not the reason not to Remove him. Yes it’s short term, and yes it’s feels unstable but the structure we have is there to make that change.

Brands has a good reputation, a reasonable eye in the market, however I will say he dropped the ball on both a CF & CB. I’d expect he already has replacements lined up for Silva, succession is part of the role.

I’ll repeat my own view is the only way we will make the leap, and it’s a big one, to the top six/four is to find a coach who can make wine from water, to make us an overachieving outlier. From then we have one chance to make it stick.

I cannot foresee any incremental time based approach working as, like Spurs, because we are simply too far behind the others to catch up.

Otherwise we are doomed to become, if we are not already, a Watford, a Bournemouth, maybe a Villa.

Annika Herbert
311 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:22:39
Sorry Derek@260, I missed out the ironic part of my post when I forgot to mention the fact that Watford have already visited Goodison Park!! My error kind of negated the point I was trying to make.
Glad you spotted and made me aware of the omission. But at least you kind of got what I was aiming to get across
Denis Richardson
312 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:23:41
Paul - see where you're coming from but every team is going to be different and a decent manager needs to be flexible in order to be able to counter that. The Silva system is simply not working. We're not a city or RS where our side is so good we can play the same way week in week out regardless of opposition.

Silva is simply incapable of adapting to the situation. You say the 'style' Marco is trying to play is on the pretty side, however I see a team that tends to have loads of possession but for the most part doesn't do anything with it, just like Martinez. On paper the players we have are high quality so who's fault is that? You don't need to go down the Allardyce route to play effective football. We have decent players but we don't seem to be getting the best out of them. We don't ask enough questions of opposition defences and most of the time our build up play is too slow.

Taking Utd as example. Everyone knew they would come to GP and close ranks. However we still set up the same way at home with 7 defensive players to start against a team set to defend against us. The players we have should have more than enough trickery and pace to be able to get past a championship defence but we struggled to even create chances never mind taking them. We did not need 2 DMs as we were obviously going to have most of the possession. Yes, we had loads of possession, crosses and shots but most of that was toothless and so in my view these starts are a bit irrelevant and saying we dominated using those as back up is a bit flawed. 70% odd possession is a pointless stat when the ball is going sideways and backwards most of the time. A lot of our shots were half chances or not even chances. Whats the point in lumping crosses in with no target man. Why can't we be a real threat from corners with a 6ft5 CB? Etc.

Yes on another day, we may have had more luck and gotten something but this is becoming a regular sob story and we should not be needing luck at home against Sheffield United. Fact is we have played 6 games and have 7 points. We haven't yet played a single team who finished top 6. We're easy to score against and the opposition know if they score first its game over. If we can't win against the Villas and Shef Utds of this world, we really are in trouble. The two teams we have managed to beat are currently bottom and second bottom - i.e. the worst in the league.

We just don't look like a joined up team and for me Silva has shown nothing to suggest he has more than plan A, and even Plan A isn't great. Next league game will be the same 4231 and the one after etc. Same players, same tactics, same shit.

Boring and predictable - if we the fans know this its not difficult for an opposition manager to set his team up against us.

Tony Everan
313 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:58:05
Our midfield is a massive problem just not tough enough.

Liverpool today have Henderson/Fabinho/Winjldum as their midfield 3. There is a bit of nastiness and uncompromising professional athelticism about all of them. Milner and Oxlade Chamerlain are in the same mold. As was Alsonso/Mascherano.

We never seem to have them uncompromising players, who have steel running through their veins instead of blood.

This is our soft underbelly, has been for years and years.

Joe Royle toughened the midfield up and fed them raw meat and told them to fight with every last ounce of energy to win that midfield battle. We just dont seem to be able to battle any more and then win the game by means of brilliance from a talented player. We seem to have an abundance of talent and not enough worker bees . Gana was our main [only?] workaholic and he has gone.

We never win midfield battles now. We have the talented players but the midfield is so weak that the talent doesn't come into the equation.

I think Gbamin was brought in to address this, and it is a crying shame he is injured. But we need more from our midfield 3 in the way of fight and steel.

We all know Tom Davies has some development still to come , but the lad has more about him with regards steel and determination than most of them that get picked. Yesterdays game was perfect to put Tom in with Delph and tell him to get stuck in and drive forward. I was very disappointed he was overlooked , especially for this match , what a poor decision .

Colin Davidson
314 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:17:31
Hard to disagree with most of the posters on here but just on the issue of Silva’s record on coming back to win after going behind - we did beat Lincoln after they scored first... impressive I know, (and admittedly not the Premier League). Still a pretty poor record.
Fran Mitchell
315 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:25:20
We need to make some drastic changes, starting with the management. Someone like Bielsa would be the ideal choice, but may be difficult to get him.

Vieira is highly thought of, doing a decent job at Nice. Arteta also highly rated but zero experience - are big risks.

Marcelino did excellently at Valencia and has had a decent managerial career in Spain, but never managed out side of Spain (probably doesn't speak English).

An out the box option could be Željko Buvač - Klopp's previous Assistant Manager. Hasn't ever had the top job, but thought to be the tactician behind Klopp's success at Dortmund.

Ten Hag - teh Ajax manager would be an ambitious one, maybe he could be convinced - if we paid enough.

Rudi Garcia has always been a decent manager, and is unattatched.

Laurent Blanc is still unattatched, too.

There are many options out there. We shouldn't have to suffer Silva any longer.

Joe McMahon
316 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:48:07
Does anyone know why the takeover from John Jay Moores and Charles Noell, suddenly in a matter of days ended with Moshiri coming in with 49.9%?
Jerome Shields
317 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:56:48
Robert #275

I am just hoping with Brands about, there maybe no daft decisions taken and the problems are identified and sorted out. No doubt Silva is in panic, but he has Brands to talk to and listen to him, and hopefully offer advice.

John Raftery
318 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:01:48
Derek (296) I fully accept Silva has deficiencies. He was never my ideal option to replace Allardyce. In fact I was one who advocated sticking with Allardyce for the remaining year of his contract while we gave ourselves more time to find a suitable replacement.

But Silva is here now and I believe we must give him more time to sort things out. The transfer window in the summer saw us lose two players who were key to the recovery in the spring. We failed to replace Zouma who had formed a good partnership with Keane and it is unfortunate the replacement for Gueye is injured.

Silva has some key decisions to make in the coming matches. I think he is better placed to make them than any new manager would be. The priority must be to sort out the midfield. I think the time has come to give Tom Davies another chance because he would complement Delph more effectively than Schneiderlin who plays in the same style as Delph. Davies was on the receiving end of a lot of criticism last winter, much of it unjustified. Possibly fans will be a little more patient if and when he gets his chance this season. As someone said leaving the ground yesterday he cannot be any worse than the player he would replace.

Sacking Silva at this stage of the season seems to me not only pointless but also potentially counter-productive. As there is no obvious ready made replacement it would leave us going back to David Unsworth or one of the many journeyman managers currently without a job.

Tom Bowers
319 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:23:53
Sadly a game that started decent turned upside down yet again by awful defending.
Yes, the attack is stuttering but the way Everton are conceding is absolutely pitiful.
One only has to look back to the Lincoln game and see just how easy they scored almost at the off. They are not a Prem. team so that in itself was scary even if one makes excuses about the team selected or the competition itself.
Coleman is not the defender he was which only compounds the fact that Mina and Keane show very little cohesion together.
When you expect other players ahead of them to channel back and close people down it just doesn't happen effectively enough which makes it easier for other teams to get through and cause problems.
Silva has had enough time to sort this mess out and we have not seen any remote sign of improvement.
Surely to God Moshiri can see that too !
Okay, right now there is not much to choose from in the managerial ranks right now but money talks and Moshiri should be looking to cut his losses with Silva who will never turn this club around.
I bet Watford are quietly smiling about this despite the thrashing they got yesterday.
Harry Hockley
320 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:25:20
What about Slaven Bilic? I love the way he shouts from the touchline at his players when they're winning 4-0. Silva doesn't do anything – just mopes around looking sad all the time.
Ciaran O'Brien
321 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:30:24
I'm not one for wanting managers sacked when they go through a bad patch but Silva is not learning from his mistakes. He's persisting with 4-2-3-1 which is a horrible and negative setup with having 2 defensive midfielders and a 10 who are all slowcoaches.

Sigurdsson is stinking the place out and so are Keane and Coleman. We over-rely on our full-backs and have been for years now. We hardly ever test the keeper every game and create any chances.

If Silva goes there are tons of names such as Howe, Arteta and Mourinho etc but there are still so much utter shite at the club who are bleeding the club dry.

Brands is doing a good job but the failure to get a top striker and centre half is killing us.

There is one name who might change things around if Silva gets his marching orders and that is Massimiliano Allegri. He's out of work and was great at Juve and Milan. His sides play good football and he gave Kean his breakthrough.

Italians are the best coaches in world football. 3 have one the Premier League while Sarri and Di Matteo won the Champions League and Europa League respectably.

Darren Hind
322 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:36:16
Over 300 posts and hardly any criticism of the center forward. . Funny that. Every other time we have not won, the center forward has dominated every post match thread.

Maybe the penny has dropped. Maybe people are beginning to see the glaring deficiencies throughout the team.

We have got to make ourselves hard to beat again. The guard dog has gone to Paris and our defenders our being exposed week in week out. They clearly need the protection they enjoyed last season.

Scheiderlin isn't the answer, if anything he adds to the problem.
Holgate is faster. has a better touch, sees danger earlier and he isn't frightened to play the ball forward. He couldn't possibly offer the defence less cover than the current so called DF's.

Given the current set up. I'd play him in the Gana role in a heartbeat

Paul Tran
323 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:41:32
Can't believe it took you so long to do that post, Darren!

Interesting shout re Holgate, but Silva doesn't rate him, does he?

Tony Hill
324 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:09:23
We're all down in the dumps but this is a moment when Brands must show his mettle. He's both Director of Football and a Director of the club. He is uniquely placed to bring us through.

I hope Brands can steady Silva because, despite the awful start and the accumulating evidence against him, I retain some faith in this manager.

Tom Bowers
325 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:48:03
Some seem to think that giving Silva more time will be the best thing to do and they are very optimistic fans and welcome to their opinions.
We shall see over the next few games (excluding the Carabao Cup) what happens. Will he be able to motivate their game against a rampant City but we need to see some better attacking prowess and some solidarity on defence which has been totally lacking so far this season.
Zouma may have gone but has screwed up a few times this season back at the Bridge and I doubt one man in the shape of Gana would have made much difference this season so far as he was not that great a factor for much of last season until PSG showed interest.
We all want the same thing but persisting with a manager who keeps on with the same thing and failing is not what we want.
John Reynolds
326 Posted 22/09/2019 at 23:12:54
Fran 315- “Željko Buvač - Klopp's previous Assistant Manager. Hasn't ever had the top job, but thought to be the tactician behind Klopp's success at Dortmund.”


I remember hearing this over and over again about Colin Harvey in 1987, but that didn’t prove to be true, did it?

Harry 320 - “What about Slaven Bilic?”

Based on his last stint at Goodison, he’d be missing for 9 out of 10 games with unexplained injuries or illnesses.

Darren 322 - “Over 300 posts and hardly any criticism of the center forward”


Funny, I noticed that too.

Really conflicted on this. We need stability, there’s a good side there that needs a bit of magic dust to click. Just not sure that Marco has the nous to sprinkle it. But he has to be given the opportunity. Some imagination required though because if he keeps doing the same thing he’ll get the same results. So frustrating to see Man U, Chelsea and others dropping points while we fail to capitalise again and again.

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