Sack Marco? Not Now

By Paul Traill 22/09/2019 89comments  |  Jump to last
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It’s safe to say that, such has been the negativity following last weekend’s disappointment at Bournemouth, most were uneasy going into this encounter with Sheffield United. Most also expected a win, in whichever form, though defeat has left many shocked, upset and frustrated despite it’s somewhat feel of familiarity. It’s certainly hard work being an Evertonian.

My father-in-law, visiting from Germany, was excited for the game. Uwe and I arrived early to pick up his ticket and as we were by the stadium we went to a pub near the ground instead of the usual, and ventured upon The Harlich Castle for a couple of beers while watching Tottenham miss out on a goal due to the narrowest of offside calls. I’d be furious to lose to that.

The lads arrived and we got the team news. I was pleased Bernard got back in the side. Not necessarily at the expense of Alex Iwobi, but I feel he had begun the season well and was a bit unlucky to be the fall guy. I couldn’t however fathom the omission of Dominic Calvert-Lewin who has toiled admirably up front without goals for some time, only to be dropped when he finally scores one. What good that does to the confidence of the young lad I don’t know, and against his former club you imagine he’d have been quite up for the game. Sheffield United featured an academy product in John Lundstram, great to see him make it to the top league, and of course, our ex-skipper Phil Jagielka who received a well-deserved ovation before kick off. Great to see him back at his old club.

Before we got under way I took Uwe to his seat in the Lower Gwladys. I couldn’t get him one near us, turns out he was on the far side of the Gwladys Street so I asked him to meet me by the Holy Trinity statue after the game.

The crowd were lively enough as the game got under way, and though Everton had plenty of the ball and all the attacking, things felt generally a bit slow and laboured against a determined and resilient Sheffield United team. Though we looked a bit bereft of ideas you felt that the dominance we had in the game would be rewarded somehow, and there were flashes when we raised our tempo and looked threatening, but we couldn’t force the ball into the net and Sheffield United began to get more comfortable in the game.

A few flashpoints got everybody on their feet but for the wrong reasons. A melee resulted in yellow cards for a number of players though being down the other end of the pitch it was difficult to see exactly what happened. Likewise, when I assumed Everton had won a free kick after neat play by Moise Kean I looked away to say something to Gary only to hear the rest of the stadium roar their disapproval at referee Simon Hooper as he somehow gave a free kick against the young Italian.

As has been Everton’s way this season, we failed to capitalise when on top in the game and then let the opposition in with an avoidable and poor mistake. How we contrived to concede a corner in the first instance was poor.

First Michael Keane didn’t clear very far with his header, but we were then invited to have another opportunity to head it clear but this time Yerry Mina and Michael Keane jumped into each other and again, failed to properly clear the danger. Eventually it was popped back in and Richarlison smashed the ball out for a corner kick.

It was a wicked delivery into the box by Oliver Norwood and when Jordan Pickford tried to punch it clear he was set upon by a couple of Sheffield United players and then somehow the ball ended up deflecting onto Yerry Mina and into the net off his back. It all happened so quickly we had no idea what had really happened. Immediately the referee seemed to indicate there was a foul and signalled for VAR right away. After a lengthy delay, the goal was given and Sheffield United had the lead.

At second look many feel Jordan was impeded, perhaps he was given how much protection goalkeepers get in the modern game, but I didn’t see a lot wrong with it myself. I pray for consistency in the game though. If that isn’t a foul, yet the nudge Kean gave the defender late in the game is a foul, then I really don’t know what’s what any more.

We should have equalised straight away but Richarlison headed tamely at Dean Henderson when he should have done a lot better. The players went in at the break with boos ringing in their ears. We had a big 45 minutes to come.

At the break Everton showed the trailer for the movie about Howard Kendall which is soon to be released, title Howard’s Way. I look forward to seeing that. Around our seats the inquest was really in full swing amongst those who sit around us. One lad who sits near us was about as distraught as I’ve ever seen him, saying he’ll never stop going but he’s had enough of players not giving their all in games.

“How long have you been going the game?” he asked me. “Ste and I have been going for about 20 years, and have never seen us win anything.”

“I was about 13 when we won the FA Cup,” I said with a shake of my head.

“I wasn’t even born when we won the cup,” he replied.

It really made me realise, as if I needed reminding, quite how depressing it can be to be an Evertonian, though honestly I’ve pretty much long since given up complaining. I’m so numb to failure now. It’s made me so passive.

The lads came back out and I felt we’d eventually plunder a draw but alas that wasn’t to be. Marco gave the team 10 minutes longer before changing it, bringing on Alex Iwobi for Bernard, and Cenk Tosun for Morgan Schneiderlin as we went 4-4-2. Initially this made an impact and we were testing Sheffield United, but we couldn’t maintain the tempo and Sheffield United, aided by Phil Jagielka’s influence, soon settled and we couldn’t find a way through. The best chance probably fell to Moise Kean but his half volley was quite easily saved by Henderson.

Our players lost heart a bit too easily. Nothing really worked and when Lys Mousset was played in by a nice ball from John Lundstram, and slotted past Pickford, you knew we were done. You just knew. Yerry Mina was a little unlucky that his good tackle on half way didn’t retain possession for us, but the ball then wasn’t well defended and I don’t know why Jordan came flying out. The angle wasn’t easy for Mousset but by coming out like that he exposed his goal and the Frenchman took full advantage.

With about 5 minutes on the clock, and conscious that with Uwe the complete other side of the Gwldays Street, it would take quite a long time for him to get to the statue, I thought I’d go and get him and beat the rush. I walked over to his seat on the far side, only to find he’d already scarpered. It says a lot when a somewhat neutral supporter has seen enough. I walked to the statue and he was already there waiting. I looked him in the eye and he looked embarrassed for me from what he had seen.

Unexpectedly, and I don’t blame anyone because it was a poor performance, people are really venting their anger with Everton on ToffeeWeb and on social media. I can well understand the frustration. I think it’s all pent up from years of misery. Perhaps we accepted not winning anything under David Moyes because you could see there was a real team effort though. You could see there was a progressing team and we never spent any money back then. Now we’re spending plenty, but for years have gone nowhere. It doesn’t help that them lot across the park are top of the league and Champions League holders also.

Many want Marco Silva out. That would be a mistake in my opinion and I don’t think that is the solution and here’s why…

Whether we currently have the team or not is debatable, but if we have aspirations of cracking into that top six, and our chairman certainly has that, then we won’t get there if we keep on sacking managers. Marco has been in charge for about 15 months. In that time Everton have cleared out a ton of deadwood and unwanted players and have brought in better ones. We can’t meet our expectations overnight. Everyone seemed to agree that when we sacked Sam Allardyce, that the next guy needed time, and after one, mostly, encouraging season and a frustrating start, people want Marco out.

If we sack Marco, who do we get? And which players will the next guy then want to move on and bring in? The cycle begins again, and we get nowhere. We don’t achieve anything this way, and end up like Watford, sacking a manager every season, and gaining nothing from it. They’ve just got a new manager and lost 8-0 yesterday.

I would also add some mitigating factors. I like Marcel Brands, I think he’s doing good things at Everton, however it was he who didn’t get a centre back in when we all knew we needed one. The loss of Idrissa Gueye’s replacement (Jean-Philippe Gbamin) and Andre Gomes to injury hasn’t helped either.

I’m not saying that Marco is blameless. Not starting Dominic Calvert-Lewin yesterday was a shocker, and I’m stunned Tom Davies has been completely overlooked when we need a bit of zest in there, but overall, I’m not having anyone tell me this is worse than Sam Allardyce’s, Ronald Koeman’s or most of Roberto Martinez’s tenures.

The most frustrating thing for me is how easy it is for the opposition to score compared to what we have to do to score. Marco seems staggered by this himself in every post-match interview. In all three defeats against Aston Villa, Bournemouth and Sheffield United we have conceded in the game when we’ve been well on top. If we were getting well beaten in these games I’d be more concerned. Marco has sorted out a leaky defence before, and I back him to do it again.

The next three games are massive. If we get dumped out of the cup by Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday, and then get a hammering at Manchester City, and then dip at tricky Turf Moor, there will be real cause for concern going into an international break. Five defeats on the spin, including a cup knock out against a lower division side, may result in irreversible pressure and then Marco’s time may well be up.

A big few weeks coming up!

Player ratings:

Pickford: At fault for both goals which is some doing given that was all he needed to do. A shame after a promising start to the season for Jordan. 3

Digne: Tried and got forward well but with no end product this time. 5

Keane: Frustrating because for most of the game he made defending look easy and was comfortable, but lapsed leading up to the corner. He and Yerry need to get their heads down and work hard on this partnership. 6

Mina: I’m not convinced by Yerry, I think he’s careless at times, but I would say that come the closing stages of the game he was one of the few who seemed bothered by the result and was trying hard to put it right. I think there’s a player in there somewhere, but you feel he needs to get it right quickly. He and Michael have to work hard on this partnership. 6

Coleman: Tried his best but that spark and dynamism from his game seems to have gone with his injury. Perhaps time to give Djibril Sidibe some game time? Let’s see how he does on Tuesday and then decide…whoever plays will be in for a tough afternoon in the following game, that’s for sure. 6

Delph: No question of his attitude. He kept on getting on the ball and trying to keep us moving. Some poor decision making at times but he shows good leadership and has to stay in the team. 6

Schneiderlin: Morgan wasn’t really doing anything wrong but something needed to change. 6

Bernard: A disappointing return to the side which was cut short on 55 minutes. A shame. 5

Richarlison: One of our livelier players I suppose but end product was missing and he was guilty of missing at least one of our best chances. 6

Sigurdsson: Poor and often anonymous. Needs to start contributing with more goals and quickly if he is to stay in the team. 4

Kean: He did try and he needs time, but far from justified his inclusion today in a game we really needed to win. 5

Iwobi (for Bernard): Gave the ball away cheaply for their second goal and didn’t quite get involved. 5

Tosun (for Schneiderlin): Tried hard but just didn’t get the service. 5

Walcott (for Coleman): A brave move from Marco to essentially go without a right back and force the game. Theo did very well. He put in our best ball of the day and at one point chased the whole length of the pitch to reach an aimless punt from Jordan, kept the ball in and got us on the attack. He’s nobody’s favourite but he far from deserves all the stick he gets as his attitude is always good. It’s some doing when a player gets on the pitch for about 25 minutes and is your man of the match. 7


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Paul Tran
1 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:22:25
That's a good report, Paul, as usual. I'd feel more comfortable about retaining Silva if people talked onvincingly about his ability to change things rather than the number of managers before him.

I can't see us attracting a top-notch manager, so we're in the market for an up and coming guy, or someone on the way down. That means it's like buying a lottery ticket, hoping you get it right. Many clubs above us in the table have gone through a few before finding the right one.

Moshiri really wanted Koeman, yet still sacked him three months after giving him a blank cheque. Should he have had more time?

I regarded Silva as a punt on a younger manager with a patchy, streaky record in England. I hoped he'd do better with a bigger budget and better players. He isn't.

I always pride myself on being an optimistic second/third chance person.
He's floundering right now. He's had his chances with me.

Kevin Molloy
2 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:56:10
yes, I am minded to think our chap just isn't up to it. But who the hell do we get in, that's the question
Bill Watson
3 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:08:50
Excellent and measured report Paul.

I'm done with Silva because he doesn't appear to learn from his mistakes. Away matches have essentially been the same since he arrived; we dominate the first 20 or so minutes, create and miss chances and then concede. After 60/70 minutes Silva makes his usual chaotic substitutions and the side loses any shape it had. Yesterday, we saw this transferred to a home game.

Even during the good run, towards the end of last season, we had capitulations at Newcastle and Fulham.

Everyone comments on what a good coach he is at FF but Premier games aren't played there. If he can't set his team up properly and then cannot appear to change the direction of a game, when necessary, then we must change the manager.

The opening Prem fixtures were very kind to us but games against Palace, Villa, Bournemouth and Sheff Utd have yielded just a solitary point. That's relegation form and very worrying. We cannot afford to carry on like this until his situation becomes absolutely untenable (which it will).

Brian Harrison
4 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:25:04
All we have done for the past 30 years is take a punt on an unproven manager and the same approach has been used to buy players. I don't care how much money Moshiri has got so far he has sacked Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce and deemed Unsworth not up to the job, and the cost of sacking these managers £26 million, that cant go on.

Moshiris problem is that a top manager wont touch Everton with a bargepole, so you are left considering Dyce or Howe and I suspect neither is up to managing Everton. I really don't know were we go from here, I guess neither does Moshiri. Silva has lost his long time assistant and Brands failed miserably in letting Gueye go and failing to secure a top striker.

Our last DOF bought the lastest young thing from Spanish football, he was going to lead the line for years to come, sadly Sandro is back in Spain and still failing to find the net, but still trousering £ 100,000 per week.I would assume if we lose to Sheffield Wednesday and City and don't get anything from the Burnley then it would put untold pressure on Silva. And would you want this bunch of players to help you out of a crisis.

Joe McMahon
5 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:28:07
Paul your rating of 3 for Pickford is kind. Yes some will say he's made some great saves as an Everton keeper, but he is a Goalkeeper and that's what they are supposed to do. What concerns me is how many points has he also cost us, and it's a lot.

This isn't knee jerk, I just don't rate him.

Habib Erkan Jr
6 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:32:10
Well done on the report Paul! One question, do we really have Brazil’s starting numbers nine playing on the right wing? It is both a dream and a nightmare like nothing I have seen before.
Kunal Desai
7 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:50:15
I don't buy this rubbish about who would come to Everton. That's a large part of this fanbase's problem where we have been fed and accepted mediocrity for decades. It's up to Moshiri to sell the club to a proven manager, he is a businessmen ofcourse if he cannot do that then what is Marcel Brands there for?Nothing is impossible but you have to sell the product/service which will require work and effort and not taking the easy option in appointments such as Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva.
This small mentality talk has got to stop if we have any ambition, but thats something i'm starting to question from Moshiri and Co, whats the plan and strategy, where are the building blocks each season to progress forward? Sorry not seeing it.
Stewart Lowe
8 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:10:48
For me, Silva has now stepped in to that realm of no return. We all watched Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce reach that same tipping point, and we all knew the the axe was ready to fall. And the media certainly aren't going to let this go. When Everton signed Allardyce and told him he would get the minimum of two years and that they wanted him to help build the club, Allardyce was obviously convinced that Everton were honestly willing to honour that. He thought it would be a longevity project and Manage Everton for years to come. What Everton won't have been honest about, is that they only wanted him to stabilise us because we as a poor squad were on our knees. We then sack him after doing a relatively decent job. Allardyce will have mentioned this to all his friends in the media, from Stelling to Merson, and this has created a hatred for Everton because they all love Allardyce. To an extent, I'm sure we did lie to Allardyce to get what we wanted because nobody else could guarantee safety like he could. So the media are never going to let go when it comes to Silva. Every error will be magnified and scrutinised, and that could end up playing a huge part in his eventual sacking.
Steve Hogan
9 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:13:56
Silva won't get the bullet YET, but once again his team selection and tactics are again under close scrutiny.

I've watched the game for a long time and certainly don't possess any UEFA coaching badges, but a number of factors are apparent when watching this Everton team.

1] We must be the easiest team in the Premiership to play against. our build up play from the back is painfully slow. Mina passes across the back to Keane, who then passes it back to him, it eventually ends up with Coleman who try's one of his marauding runs (last seen in 2012).

By this time the opposition have two banks of four and five players spread across the pitch.

2] It's obvious we have little or no creativity, after lot's of possession, the opposition simply pick us off at will, a bit like waiting for the storm to subside, you kinda know it will huff and puff but not blow your house down.

3] When will Silva realise we don't have the player's to execute 'zonal marking'? I noticed Bournemouth's first goal last week, there wasn't just one player waiting to score with the header, there was actually another two lined up!!
4] All this coupled with Pickford's current form which isn't great, his apparent weakness is crosses from either wing, although the corner which resulted from Sheffield's first goal was difficult, he absolutely flapped at it.

Most evertonian's would be happy to just to see progress each season, I just don't see evidence of that under Silva.

Eddie Dunn
10 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:16:48
I like your write-up Paul but the problem is Marco Silva.
It has got nothing to do with how long the manager has- this guy will continue to make the same tactical decisions for the remainder of his contract. He is stuck in a rut. Last season his insistence on zonal marking made it harder for us to reach the Europa league (thankfully) places. He remedied this with a blend of Man-for-man and zonal. Now we watch with our hearts in our mouths at every corner. Back to square one.
His obsession of playing two holding mids is perhaps understandable away to a top side but he uses this same system at home, when the opposition are parking the bus. The continual tactic of getting the full backs down the wings to put in crosses to no-one in particular is so lame, especially when Sheff Utd are in town, who can play heading crosses out till the Sun turns into a red dwarf.
I see no problem in finding a new coach. It is normal in Spain and Italy and increasingly here.
We will only waste more time if we keep this idiot in charge.
Who would I go for? Last time I wanted Howe, and I still like him, but I would be pleased with Dyche, Benitez or Arteta.
John Voigt
11 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:20:20
I'm expecting to lose midweek on the road and then lose to Manchester City next weekend. This will have us bowing out of a cup competition at an early stage and will mean we've picked up 7 points from 7 Premier League matches.

It's not hard to do the match when you're averaging exactly 1 point per Premier League match... That's corresponds to 38 points for the season and definitely puts Everton in a relegation scrap.

Personally I'd give Silva a month to sort things out but no more time that that. There's got to be an end-time to Silva's time in charge if positive results aren't seen pretty soon.

Otherwise we could be dealing with one of the most expensive Championship sides of all-time!!!

Stewart Lowe
12 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:30:57
I never wanted Silva in the first place and thought he was a Portugese Martinez. Although not completely the same as Martinez, there are so so many glaring similarities:

1: Everton under Martinez always had upwards of 70% possession each game, and then lose to Stoke, West Brom etc.
2: Martinez had 15+ shots per game but we would still lose 1-nil or 2-nil
3: Martinez would press so high up the pitch, that teams like Leicester and Stoke would steal possession and score with one shot in the break
4: Everton under Martinez would have hundreds more passes than the opposition in areas of the pitch where we couldn't hurt a team and was boring to watch. It takes one pass to get the ball from our keeper, to their box, so why should the build up take so long? It never made sense.
5: Everton under Martinez was tepid and slow, it's the same under Silva
6: in Silvas tenure so far, we have let in 20 goals from set pieces which is the highest amount for a manager, Martinez was exactly the same because Baines told us that they don't practice them.
7: apart from Bernard, Coleman and Digne, almost all our squad are huge 6ft+ units, so why do many set pieces not get cleared by their heads???


There too many similarities

For me, basics like running faster, getting in the faces of their opponents when they are in possession, and pressing forward in numbers should be the basics, why don't we see that?

Martin Mason
13 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:41:11
There comes a time in the lives of managers who have been lucky when they are found out at the top level and with Silva that time is now. The fact is that we have another dud on our hands and it is because we take a flier on somebody who could just be the one. Not somebody who is proven to be the one but somebody who could be and who may match the club's philosophy of playing good football along the way. Silva has been found out now, he is Bobby Brown Shoes 2 and similarly without the competence needed at this level. We can't fire him yet as he could come good by some act of God but at some stage he could take us down. What a position we find ourselves in. I hate the idea of paying millions to somebody who should be coaching at Primary School level but now is the time to appoint a young English manager and to start playing U23 graduates rather than overpaid foreign nomarks. How to improve quickly? Give free transfers to Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson, they drag the side down with their transfer fees.
Jim Bennings
14 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:59:08
This great squad we’ve supposedly got, all this potential and promise, promise that never actually amounts to much.

My ratings would be as follows

PICKFORD. (5) Jolly average, rubbish on crosses, too short to be commanding and far too indecisive, good distribution and decent shot stopper, nowt more.

COLEMAN. (4) Playing merely on memory, I love him but his legs have gone and he’s never going to be what he was between 2010-15, can’t get past a man anymore, crossing is awful and defensively not great.

MINA. (5) Erratic, at times bambi on ice, doesn’t instill any real confidence amongst his teammates.

KEANE. (5) The partnership with Zouma gone to dust, looks a match made in hell partnering Mina and both guys turn like the QE2.

DIGNE. (7) Our most gifted ball player but he’s not started the season well.

SCHNEIDERLIN. (3) Plays the game in a fuckin’ circle radius of 10 yards, hasn’t been over the halfway line for two years, what’s the point in his selection in any game least of all Sheffield Utd?

DELPH. (6) Wants to do well, only player that has a voice, but just doesn’t have the legs around him to help out, would have been great next to Gana but think he’s going to struggle in this squad.

SIGURDSSON. (4) Having a horrible season so far, I did say in summer if his and Richarlison goals dried up then we’d struggle and my point is being proved.

BERNARD. (5) Some good things here and there but the lack of pace and strength at times really tells and just lacks that vital end product to be a top six player.

RICHARLISON. (5) Frustrates the life out of me, still feel he’s wasted playing out wide.
Too much time spent bitching and rolling around the ground.
Not consistent enough to be a top six player as of yet.

KEAN. (4) Erratic, nowhere near ready, snatches at too much and frankly I just feel sorry for the lad coming in and because of our ineptitude in the transfer market the pressure on him to score 15 goals is immense, but he’s not up to it yet.
We needed a experienced striker to share the burden, we failed to get one.

Subs.

IWOBI. (5) Started well, tries to make things happen but looks a little lost of where he’s meant to be playing.

WALCOTT. (3) What’s the point?

TOSUN. (3) Read Walcott.


Silva. (2) Regressing each week with the same tried and tested boring formation and tactics that you can read like a book.
Not brave enough and too reactive yet again rather than proactive with his substitutions. (Why not make a change at HT, why did two holding midfielders come out again for the second period?)

Nowhere near good enough.

Andy Crooks
15 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:13:47
Martin Mason, I have argued and disagreed with you for many years but that is a spot on post. Are we both mellowing?
Paul, I enjoyed your match day experience, top stuff as usual. Poor title for your article; "not"should read " right"
Martinez was, in my view, the worst coach in our history. Silva seems like, Martinez a good man, why prolong the agony? He is done. Given enough time he will relegate us.
Mike Doyle
16 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:16:29
Jim - Christmas - the season of goodwill & generosity - must be approaching. How else can your generous ratings be justified?
Mike Doyle
17 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:18:39
Andy. Martinez the worst coach in our history? Worse than Mike ‘sun bed’ walker and Ronald ‘golf course’ Koeman?. surely not?
Peter Neilson
18 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:20:57
Stewart (8) it appeared that Allardyce was offered a contract to the end of the season and demanded a second, Moshiri gave in. He was never going to get a second season. He also didn’t do a decent job. He was terrible. The media won’t get Silva sacked, he’ll manage that himself.
Ian Riley
19 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:22:16
Going to appoint a manager like Jose will cost. Six to eight million a year salary and 300-400 million for players. Oh yes it's a short term plan of two to three years. Sadly we are years behind the top two. Funding a top champions league manager comes at a cost. Everton have spent nearly three hundred million over the past three years.

I'm all prepared to get a top league and champions league manager but not at the expense of the club. Boom and bust not for me. What sold Manchester city? A new 60000 stadium ready to go. Let's get the new stadium in place first and increase our match day revenue.

Silva needs time. Next ten games will decide his future at our club. Sorry a top manager could get frustrated with this group of players and could have a negative impact. It's not about accepting middle of the road managers but let's be respectful of Martinez, koeman and allardyce. They have all helped us in our hour of need or tried to build something bigger. Their is a snobbery within our fan base that need a reality check. Once a big club but not in my lifetime supporting Everton.

Reality is we will have to be patient. Stay in the league, new stadium and go from there. Win a cup? Possible but everyone knows the league is out of two clubs that leaves two trophies. If Silva goes then a team of Moyes, unsworth, cahill, dyche, or bilic? A manager whom will role up his sleeves and get the team ready for battle each game. I don't see that and have not for a while.

Kieran Kinsella
20 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:23:06
We may just have to accept crapness. The board have proven inept at hiring and probably don’t have the money or judgment to get a good coach. May as well get Unsie in in the cheap to oversee things until we are no longer a viable business.
Eric Paul
21 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:39:37
I have been going to the old lady since 1968 and I can’t remember us appointing a proven manager but I think we need to start now
Andy Crooks
22 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:42:26
Mike@17, oh yes, and by a wide margin. Towards the end of his reign I actually could not find the words to describe just how bad he was. I tried, though.
Jerome Shields
23 Posted 22/09/2019 at 21:57:48
Really good report on the match and I am so glad you expressed a opinion on Silva, taking into account the wide picture, I agree with your opinion, ,

There was a lot of work to be done at Everton and we are only halfway through the project, Silva will see out his contract as long as Premier League survival is not in doubt, I don't think that Moshiri and Brands will want to start again with a new Manager,

I trying to remain positive about the coming fixtures and hope we get the right response from the Management and players, As for the International break, I am in total dread, because they seem to have be retrograde step on Everton s progress,

John Pierce
24 Posted 22/09/2019 at 22:58:56
Paul, a very generous report on the game I thought we were truly woeful in. I’d be interested to know what Uwe thought as a neutral, did he loosen his jaw after a beer or two?

I think what you say about Silva is true for many, changing again is too much.

I will disagree about what you describe as ‘on top’ in the games we’ve lost. If you mean we have the ball, then yes, however we are utterly redundant when we have it. Too predictable, and we never sustain heavy pressure were everyone knows the goal is ‘just coming’. Sadly the system and Silva’s tactics are instinctively counter attacking, yet we play with possession.

For me it’s over and sadly it never really began.

David Pearl
25 Posted 22/09/2019 at 23:04:30
Usual balanced report Paul. You are one of the few that will judge players on what you see for that game on not on a ToffeeWeb reputation.

I actually think the form of certain players is down to the formation we are playing, and that comes from the manager. I'd change him. He may have overseen the improvement of a few players but as a team we are going backwards.

I don't agree with your 5 for Bernard. I don't agree with Silva taking off him and Schneiderlin (who had an excellent game). Walcott came on a showed a touch of the class we know he has... he still has his speed for a start. He's just being asked to chase back into our own box because we play so wide. Siggy supports the striker because the wide players aren't close by... and that leaves a gap behind him to our other midfielders. As l said... Silva out. It wont get better. We are set up all wrong and how Silva cant see it. Urgh

We have skillful players. Full internationals. In their prime. We have proven scorers in Charlie, Tosun and Walcott and he persists in throwing the kids to the wolves instead of bringing them into a confident set up to improve in the right conditions.

I'm winding myself up. Not good.

Filipe Torres
26 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:09:16
I'm going to get some stick with this post, but I think we should play 3 CBs (Holgate, Mina and Keane). Richarlison should play right-back... Yeah RB. He should be dropped back to allow him to run at defenders at full pace.

To all that are going to write this off as complete BS, just think about it as if we had a right-sided Digne. With Digne on the left in full attack mode we would have 3 problems solved: Holgate as a sweeper to cover for the lack of pace, dropping Richarlison out of his lethargic game of falling to the ground and 3rd provide depth on the wings and solutions on the attack.

One of the rookie errors from Silva is the constant isolation of the striker. Week-in & week-out I see a desperate striker trying to get a sniff of the ball. To solve this problem Kean and Calvert-Lewin should pair in the box, with Kean dropping back a bit to pressure the defence, but always at a touching distance to Calvert-Lewin.

A physical midfielder is a must. We have to protect the back 3. I believe that has to be Gbamin and without him I can't see anyone so we should consider bringing one in January.

I believe Bernard and Iwobi are our other starters, two number 10s (although I'll admit Gomes may be an option as a box-to-box midfielder). Bernard is a great player but he is not big or strong so he should be protected. How do you protect a player? You put others around them... It's really easy, Marco, and I'll not charge you for this lesson.

You should play an inverted triangle with one back and two upfront, with Iwobi dropping back has he looks way more capable of holding the ball than Bernard. Bernard should be allowed to be near the front two; to make through and one-touch passes and running at the "left overs" to strike them.

You seem to forget the basics of footie, Marco: 80+% of goals come from winning the 2nd ball in the box, dude. So we should play something like this, and it kinda of make sense, if you think all the way back to Koeman and what he wanted to do and the strategy of recruitment in the last couple of years:

----------------Pickford--------------
----------------Holgate---------------
-----------Keane------Mina---------
---Richarlison-------------Digne--
----------------Gbamin---------------
-------------Iwobi---------------------
--------------------Bernard----------
-----Calvert-Lewin----Kean----------

Dick Fearon
28 Posted 22/09/2019 at 00:52:36
Just as they did with Matinez, Koeman and Big Sam we get folk on here saying that Silva should be given more time.
What a load of Bulldust!
I suggest they open their eyes to what is happening to our club. Silvas game plan of play it wide and knock high crosses into the area is a throwback to the 60s and easily countered. His plan B consists of long punts in the blind hope the opposition are asleep.
His team selection plus timing and choice of subs are school yard stuff. His lack of motivational skills are there for all to see.
In the same manner as the three managers I mentioned earlier he rarely speaks to his assistant coaches during the game. It does not show confidence in their ability that he thinks they have nothing worthwhile to offer.
Some say defeat in the next few games will see us in a relegation battle. To that I Once again I say open your eyes. We are already in it and things must change without a moment to lose.

Tony Twist
30 Posted 23/09/2019 at 01:14:59
Mr Brands needs to have a replacement for Silva lined up and signed up. Silva is supposed to be a good coach but I just don't see it. It seemed to take him an absolute age to cure the problems last year and his game management is just pathetic. I think this rubs off on the players. We are crap at picking managers, I hope Brands didn't pick Silva else we are screwed. That really was an oddball decision. The ex Juventus manager will do, massimiliano allegri, has pedigree and experience that will hopefully impress and influence the players. Though he will have his work cut out with this team of losers.
Graham Lloyd
31 Posted 23/09/2019 at 01:53:04
Great write up Paul. I agree with sticking with Marco for now at least as I just don't see how the club will move forward by changing manager again. I think (or hope?) it is more likely things will improve on the pitch with stability rather than appointing a new manager with new ideas. That sentiment may well change if the current form continues deep into the season!
Jack Convery
32 Posted 23/09/2019 at 03:36:56
In my nightmares I see Moyes riding in on a Pale horse - aaarrrghhh.

Great report - feel very sorry for Uwe.

Paul Ward
33 Posted 23/09/2019 at 05:57:07
Jerome @23
Mosheri and Brands may not want a new manager right now, but they should be searching very hard for a replacement because Silver will not get better.

We must hope their money and influence can tempt a good manager as soon as possible and be lucky enough to keep the defeats to a minimum with Silver.

Christopher Timmins
34 Posted 23/09/2019 at 08:35:41
Paul, I agree with your view that now is not the time to make a managerial change, I also agree that the next three games are crucial for the manager. I was hoping that by October we would have a settled side and a defined way of playing to suit the players chosen. However, we are a long way off that particular target.

Let's hope that tomorrow evening we see a reaction!

Sam Hoare
35 Posted 23/09/2019 at 09:21:25
Filipe@26 Richarlison should not be allowed to run at defenders more because he is not a very good dribbler. He is one of the few decent wingers in the league who actually has been dispossed (3) more times per game than he has completed a dribble (1.3).

PLaying him RB would be a terrible waste as he does his best work in and around the box where once again he is out top scorer so far. If anything he should be playing up front with DCL or Kean.

Other than that the formation you suggest is interesting and I'd like to see Iwobi played more centrally.

Martin Mason
36 Posted 23/09/2019 at 09:25:02
Andy@15, There are things that we'll disagree on and things that we'll agree on and long live that. Perhaps I'm also getting just a little less tolerant of the club in keeping Bill Kenwright in such an influential position. He's past his sell by date now and is too associated with failure whereas we need people who have proven success and who demand it. I'd love to see fire and passion from the players not what jobsworths likeMS and GS produce. Best Wishes.
Colin Glassar
37 Posted 23/09/2019 at 10:05:39
Heart says sack him (and the players), head says stick and tough it out.

We obviously lack leadership, on and off the pitch, so start being ruthless. Drop Coleman, Sigurdsson and Kean (he should be an impact sub for now) and name Delph as capt. Sidibe and Davies need a run of games to see if they can add a bit of dynamism to the team.

Make Marco sweat and earn his wage. The standards have to be set by the owner/board. Right now we are a rudderless ship and we need guidance from above. Get yer fingers out, Moshiri/Brands.

Jerome Shields
38 Posted 23/09/2019 at 10:28:16
Paul#33

They are probably looking ahead as you suggest, but I can't see them taking any decisions till the end of next year, when Silvas contract is up,

Rick Tarleton
39 Posted 23/09/2019 at 11:53:17
I think Ian Riley(19) sums up the current situation cogently and succinctly. We are in a no-man's land and have been since the late eighties. We need to sort out our priorities and take each step. We're all familiar with the story (true or apochryphal) that Everon could have been the first choice of City's owners if we'd had a stadium.
A new stadium, as all of the big six except Chelsea have had, I know Old Trafford and Anfield aren't knew, but they've been expanded. We build from there and we start with a short term plan, but with long term objectives. A manager who has the vision and ability to do this. Someone flexible enough to build round his players to begin with and then to recruit and train the players to play in his desired fashion. It's very difficult, Mourinho has his way, but it is basically to buy proven stars and pay accordingly for their wages.
Everton have to convince everyone that they have an and objectives. At the moment it must look like one of the most difficult jobs in football, an expectant and impatient fanbase, and enough money to challenge Leicester and West ham, but not the big six. The wages at Goodison for a manager are very tempting for all those second tier managers, but we aren't going to get Simeone et alia for obvious reasons.
Answers on a postcard.
Daniel A Johnson
40 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:06:13
For me in terms of English Mangers we only have the choice of two.

Dyche or Howe both are Polar opposites.

Dyche likes his teams to graft and stay solid in a rigid formation, well drilled and disciplined. Hits treatment of Danny Drinkwater shows Dyche rules the roost. I honestly think he would come to EFC.

Howe is almost like an English Martinez can beat Chelsea 5-0 and then get stuffed 4-0 next match. Very gung ho and yet to show he can shore up a leaky defence. Supposedly an Evertonian but in a nice little comfort bubble down south at the moment.

The reality is if we do sack Silva then Brands is unikely to look at either of them anyway so there is zero chance of us getting an English manager.

Expect another unproven foreigner to come in no doubt.

Matthew Williams
41 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:07:51
Lose tomorrow night and I want him gone...we simply won't improve folks.

Be honest with yourselves...can you see us winning at Mordor or more importantly... Wembley !?.

Steve Pickering
42 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:23:55
I like both Dyche and Howe but would prefer Benitez (or Rodgers if we’d have been earlier)
Tony Hill
43 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:32:50
One thing we should do is to pick a side and stick with it. We're struggling and it's always a temptation to fiddle about in the hope of hitting upon a solution. That is a mistake. Instead of rushing around, we should revert to the basics and let the players get to know each other.

I understand that the modern football manager has to deal with egos but some people are going to have to be upset.

Danny Broderick
44 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:35:45
Whoever we appoint (if we replace Silva), they would no doubt have a bump in the road at some point and then there would be calls for their heads also. It really is becoming a toxic job. Admittedly Saturday was a bad result, but let’s keep things in perspective. We’ve lost 3 games. Sheff U only had 2 attacks!

We are all frustrated, but like Paul says, we all agreed after Allardyce that the new manager would need time. You can’t be calling for his head 5/6 games into his second season after a decent first season. He’s got new signings who are still settling in. We shouldn’t even be judging him yet. Judge him when his signings are up to speed and we have Gomes and Gbamin in midfield.

History is lettered with manager’s who ended up succeeding after difficult patches. Moyes had a bad 2nd season, while Kendall was on the brink of getting sacked when it all came good.

We need to let things settle down and hopefully the results will start to improve, starting tomorrow. It really doesn’t help when people are calling for the manager’s head every year in September. Progress is never a straight line. There are always setbacks at some point. We need to support the team and the manager.

Martin Mason
46 Posted 23/09/2019 at 13:49:06
That is absolute reason Danny and I always use Kendall and Ferguson as examples of why you should never take rash action. It has to be an end of season decision for fairness. Why do I worry about his body language though? He looks beaten already.

One thing that we must do is stop beating DCL and Kean, they are in a poisoned chalice position the way Everton play now and it is unfair to blame them if they aren't magically producing goals. Ronaldo would look like Bernie Wright in the current Everton team.

Daniel A Johnson
47 Posted 23/09/2019 at 13:56:52
The result on Saturday was pretty awful, actually I thought it was a disgusting result.

At Half time we had Silva able to settle the lads and instruct the team on what to do then we had 45min to get an equalizer in the 2nd half. Yet we looked completely lost and they got the killer 2nd instead. If all it takes is for newly promoted Sheff Utd going 1-0 in front to completely destroy our confidence then we are royally fucked this season.

As soon as the opposition score we are beat. We have no fight no pride and no clue. Top to bottom it is rotten and we have zero goal threat in the team.

Dark times ahead

Stewart Lowe
48 Posted 23/09/2019 at 14:10:31
The biggest investment should never be in players, but in the Manager. With all the best players in the world at your disposal, if you then have an Alan Pardew or Mark Hughes at the helm, you will never reach your full potential. If Brands is as smart as we all think he is, your not telling me we couldn't get Mourinho
Colin Glassar
49 Posted 23/09/2019 at 14:22:17
I don’t know why nobody mentions Erik Ten Hag (Ajax manager). He’s got a great record bringing through young, exciting, talented players. He’s done miracles on a minimum budget in Holland and Europe.

I’m not calling for Marco’s head, yet, but this guy is the real deal and will be poached, sooner or later, by one of the giants. And, I’m sure Brands will be able to understand him when they speak to each other.

Mike Doyle
50 Posted 23/09/2019 at 14:24:11
Stewart @48, you are spot on. After a succession of not-quite-good-enough managers, the hierarchy over at Anfield had the good sense to recruit Klopp - apparently using a 'Moneyball' type analysis to identify him. While in post, he has accommodated the departure of Coutinho while (sadly) making them a major force again.
Steve Ferns
51 Posted 23/09/2019 at 14:30:16
Stewart, Jose Mourinho is favourite to be the next Madrid manager. He would also be high on Bayern's list and whilst unbeaten they are not top, and any Bayern manager not top is not comfortable in his job. This one won the league was still under pressure all season long.

The other problem is that Mourinho has a nasty habit of appearing to stay in position daring the club to sack him, when things are not going well. Since leaving Inter in 2010, he's been sacked and left in less than glorious circumstances.

I would say that he's something of a spent force. The early Mourinho, the Porto manager was adventurous and played on the front foot. Over the years he became the master at stopping the opposition, but this made him more and more defensive. His early personality of a cheeky chappy, brash and confidently calling himself "the special one" has given way to a prickly character who is arrogant and grumpy.

I would say the single greatest managerial achievement of the 21st century is Mourinho winning the Champions League with Porto. That Mourinho would surely catapult Everton up the table in an instant. I fear, and I hope I'm wrong, that Mourinho ain't that Mourinho anymore. This Mourinho ain't worth the money. The great man-manager, the Psychologist, has given way to someone who clearly cannot relate to this younger generation. He cannot inspire them like he did in the '00s.

If you want to break the bank for a great manager, then go for Julian Nagelsmann of Leipzig and formerly of Hoffenheim. He's still only 32, despite having 3 years top level managerial experience. Sure, he's won nothing. But this guy is the next big thing in management. He finished 4th, 3rd and 9th in the Bundesliga with Hoffenheim. That last season affected his reputation which is why he went from the next Arsenal and Bayern manager to taking the Leipzig job. He sits top of the table and has Champions League football. He's just a few months into his new job and so unlikely to go anywhere. I would expect Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd or Tottenham to be breaking down his door (depending on which of them fail to make the Champions League) as well as Bayern, unless Niko Kovac can win the fans over. So unlikely to be persuaded, but if you want to dream Mourinho then why not dream Nagelsmann and get the next big thing in before he fulfils his potential and moves out of reach?

Dave Abrahams
52 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:14:13
Steve(51), surely you haven’t give up on Mr. Silva ?
Steve Ferns
53 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:21:33
No Dave. No chance. Class is permanent and form is temporary. Someone needs to sober him up and tell him to stop being so reckless. If not one of his backroom team, then Brands. Brands will be the key man here. Brands will not allow Moshiri to sack Silva before Christmas, and if we are well clear of relegation, then I doubt he'd be allowed to sack him before the end of the season.

Sure, it's up to Moshiri. But Brands will make it very clear to Moshiri that the football business is for him to Direct, and so to let him get on with it. IF Moshiri was to just go and fire Silva, then I wouldn't be surprised if Brands walks. As I said, I can't see it happening. I am certain that if given time Silva will revert to form and win a lot of games very quickly. Brands will remind Moshiri that he did just this at the end of last season.

Daniel A Johnson
54 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:37:54
Steve Ferns "Class is permanent"

What class..?

What premiership class has Silva shown that he can take us forward? Despite the upsurge in performance last season it was also hard to forget the worrying dip that derailed our whole season and had SIlva walking the tightrope.

The fixtures this season thus far have all been winnable and the abject capitulation to Sheff utd at home now has me convinced Silva isn't the man.

Wish I was as optimistic as you but would love to know what you have seen WATCHING EVERTON under Silva that has you so enthused on Marco.

Tony Everan
55 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:38:20
Steve, I think he is floundering a bit without Joao Pedro.

I have been wondering that if Sousa was here to talk things through whether Silva would have had a different team out there on Saturday.

I am sticking with him, but he needs to turn this malaise around quick.

Beating the struggling Sheff Weds and 4 points from Man City / Burnley would be a step forward.

Eddie Dunn
56 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:45:02
Steve, you have supported Silva throughout but how long will even you be willing to wait for Silva to start "winning lots of games" again?
If you look over Marco's PL career his spells of winning are balanced by his spells of losing lots of games.
His PL record is as follows...Premier League Records

Matches 86
Wins 30
Draws 18
Losses 38
Goals For 112
Goals Against 135
Steve Ferns
57 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:45:20
Daniel, we clearly see things differently.

Tony, I always watch Silva closely, as I do most of our managers. I sit in the Park End and it's easy to glance to my left and see the manager on the touchline. JPS was often in Marco's ear. Now he wasn't on the touchline, but he'd get up there and get in Marco's ear. Also, Marco would be seen conversing with him. I'm not seeing that with Boa Morte. No one seems to be getting into Silva's ear and Silva does not seem to be getting a second opinion on his changes in game.

I don't think JPS would have influenced Silva that much, but I think he's clearly lost a sounding board and it is having an effect on the man. Also, interesting to note how well JPS is doing with a team that has never been in the top flight before. Quite remarkable and on a par with Silva's Estoril or Fonseca's Rio Ave, if he can see the season out.

Eddie, I like that you want to be selective. I know we will stick with him, and I firmly believe he will turn things around.

Daniel A Johnson
58 Posted 23/09/2019 at 15:58:28
yes we do Steve,

Silva is all style over substance

Just like his football

Franny Porter
59 Posted 23/09/2019 at 16:08:38
To me, it feels like all I've wanted now for years is another manager to come and "rescue" us.

I'm fed up of the whole boring process, it seems every time I want a new manager in they end up worse than the last one.

As such I won't say whether we need to go down the road of a new man as I clearly don't have a clue anymore (not as little as the poster who suggested Richarlison plays right back but hey ho).

One thing I do know however, is that since Moshiri arrived and started splashing his cash, we have had four crap managers, a DOF who hasn't done his job properly in the Summer despite all his adulation. A back four consisting of a right back who is clearly (sadly) shot, two first choice centre half's with no competition who range from average to shite. Morgan fucking Schneiderlein still stealing a living and being picked in the middle of the team, three strikers who don't score goals and when the going gets tough we bring on Theo Walcott.

One final thing. This 4 2 3 1 formation (I think), does not work, hardly ever worked, wont work. Please for the love of God, try something else.

Tony Everan
60 Posted 23/09/2019 at 16:16:32
Losing JPS is concerning me. He looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders now and maybe Boa Morte and him are not in tune with each other, with regards to training and conveying methodologies.

It was always going to be a wrench having been a team for the last six clubs together. Losing him has knocked Silva back, decsion making, team selections and substitutions are not good enough.

He has been unlucky with injuries to Gomes and Gbamin with Gana going, but to counter that we have had a theoretical easy start to the season.

Furthermore Kean has been brought in as the goal machine. He is not ready.

I have been thinking what Arsne Wenger would do with this player to nuture and introduce him at 19yrs. I don't think he would play him as a lone no9.

I think Moise's confidence and devlopment would be far better suited to playing wide [from the start or as a 60th min sub]. Moise playing with his back to the goal is a mistake and a travesty to us and to the lad. He could do damage and get confidence running at defences given a bit more space from a wider position.


Front three of Richarlison DCL and Kean/Bernard would reap better dividends.


Steve Ferns
61 Posted 23/09/2019 at 16:21:07
Agree Tony, if you look back I kept saying we needed to keep Kean on the bench. DCL should have started and been sent out for 60-70 minutes and to rough teams up. DCL will know how good Kean will be. They can all see it in training. This should put pressure on DCL to perform to try to keep Kean out the side for as long as possible. Meantime, Kean would need to be showing it in his cameos that he is ready to start. For me, he started without earning the right from his appearances as a sub.

Maybe, Kean might be better wide in a front three. I don't think Bernard suits playing as a forward, he's certainly a midfielder for me. Iwobi also doesn't strike me as a forward. Both suit the 4231 formation.

Sam Hoare
62 Posted 23/09/2019 at 16:56:57
I think JPS's amazing start at Familcao is probably indicative of how much he was bringing to Silva's coaching setup. We've lost our best defender, our best midfielder and our best coach. They have to deal with it and re-adjust quickly.
Filipe Torres
63 Posted 23/09/2019 at 17:39:32
Silva wil persist with his tactics/formations because he just doesn't understand why they don't work. He may think that is due to the players' effort, as he usually says things like we have to work harder, we have to be more "present" etc.. etc... but he won't challenge players, as he doesn't want to lose the dressing room.

Brands, as a great DOF, will stick with him, until the red flag has been raised, and Moshiri will be happy as long as Premier League status is maintained. The rest is just debate for the fans.

I for once can only see one escape for Silva: a BIG change in tactics.
Pat Kelly
64 Posted 23/09/2019 at 17:53:49
Fully agree. Let's not sack him now. Wait till we're dumped out of the cup tomorrow.
Kieran Kinsella
65 Posted 23/09/2019 at 18:16:17
Steve Ferns 51

"Mourinho, he's something of a spent force"

Steve Ferns 53

"Class is permanent and form is temporary."

Donald Trump, stop signing in as Steve Ferns with your contradictory statements!

Steve Ferns
66 Posted 23/09/2019 at 18:26:15
Haha fair enough Kieran!

Mourinho hasn’t won the Champions league for 9 seasons despite managing Real Madrid, Man Utd and Chelsea in that time. He’s also only managed to win the league once in the last 7 years. I just don’t think he’s the same manager he was 10 years ago.

Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 23/09/2019 at 18:29:26
Steve

Couldn't resist but I agree on Mourinho. I think he worked wonders as a young man but it seems as if his ego became inflated at some point and he's not got the drive to prove himself now. He just wants an easy gig where he has instant success. So I agree with your assessment he would be a poor choice for Everton even if he wasn't being wooed by Madrid.

Steve Ferns
68 Posted 23/09/2019 at 18:50:11
There’s also the sense at the first sign of internal conflict that he just throws his toys out the pram. Imagine he had the run silva is on. Instead of digging deep, it seems like Mourinho just adopts this sack me attitude. He knows how much he’s about to get as a payoff and he can have a long holiday and then walk into another big job. With rewards for failure like that it’s no wonder certain managers just seem to stop giving a shit and appear to actually want the sack.
Kieran Kinsella
69 Posted 23/09/2019 at 19:03:31
Not usually one to bring optimism to these pages but I just discovered Everton have NEVER lost to Sheff Wed in the League Cup. Even at Hillsborough. Last time we met was 12 years ago, we won 3-0 and Franny Jeffers was on the losing side. Maybe "being Everton" is good after all in terms of the League Cup versus Wednesday?
Dermot Byrne
70 Posted 23/09/2019 at 19:35:01
Good article Paul but many of us on TW are worried about our age!

Hate to repeat it but my view is the overall project is to hit form and our best team when new stadium opens.

Silva here? Doubt it. Brands. Yes.

Does nothing to help with pissed off-ness after Saturday but they know our loyalty.

Also does little for us who are ageing!

Brent Stephens
71 Posted 23/09/2019 at 19:49:03
Dermot, I’m also ageing but time just stands still with this lot.
Martin Mason
72 Posted 23/09/2019 at 22:28:01
I've bought tickets for the game against Arsenal on 21 December: do I need to go see the Doctor? I'm 68 now and worried about losing my marbles but haven't seen any other signs of dementia.
Ian Riley
73 Posted 23/09/2019 at 22:48:41
Martin #72 your 68 and breathing supporting Everton!! Forget supporting Everton for a while can only be good for the brain!!

To late for the doctor. Treatment for supporting Everton removed from the NHS. No cure and no hope!! It's a chronic condition!!

Martin Mason
74 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:02:39
Ian@73 We were once God's own club but why must he punish us in stereo by making us so bad and LFC so perfect?
Anthony Murphy
75 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:06:50
Interesting piece by Matt Law in the Telegraph this evening... someone leaking about a unhappy camp?
Laurie Hartley
76 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:12:47
Tony # 60 - Arsene Wenger is looking for a new challenge. Link We could certainly provide that.

Moshiri needs stability for the next three years so that he can go ahead with the stadium development. I ask myself the question - if I was him would I be able to rely on the present manager to deliver that stability?

It is a serious matter sacking anyone but football managers are well rewarded for the risk they take unlike many of the fans whose football club plays a huge part in their lives and suffer greatly when their team is letting them down.

Could Arsene Wenger get a tune out of this squad? If the answer is yes then Marco Silva needs to do so very quickly because there is an outfit up the East Lancs who will be asking the same questions right now.

Oliver Molloy
77 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:21:56
Steve @ 61.

The reason Silva is starting Kean is surely obvious, he is desperate for someone to score fucking goals and he is a top talent we are told!

I hope to bejesus he scores sooner rather than later otherwise we might have another fucking Sandro on our hands.

Filipe @ 63.

In my opinion, I think it is yet to be proven that your assessment that Brands is a great Director of Football is correct – he fucked up mighty big this transfer window did he not?
And if he was as good as you and others say why did he end up at Everton?

Neville Southhall reckons Duncan Ferguson deserves a chance, could it get any worse !

Silva trying to get doubters like me on board with spin "unhappy with Everton players hiding" – he might have just had a word in his ear from somebody!

Drop whoever is not giving his all for the shirt then might be better message – roll up Sheffield Wednesday, right on cue.


Tony Everan
78 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:23:35
Laurie, I think Arsene could get a limited tune out of this squad, but would sign big improvements in the required positions. There is not many managers who would command such respect. He has seen it all and done it all and there is nobody better other than Sir Alex who knows what it takes to be a top 4 Premier League team.

He is a clean-living fit man so I wouldn't worry about his age so much. He would serve a purpose for EFC, and we could reciprocate by providing him with the final club challenge he craves.

It is one for the back burner.

Andrew Keatley
79 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:40:35
Steve Ferns (51) - “I would say the single greatest managerial achievement of the 21st century is Mourinho winning the Champions League with Porto.”

I strongly disagree. Porto rode an enormous amount of luck on their way to their 2004 Champions League win. Heading out v Man Utd in the last 16, until a dubious last-minute goal out of nowhere sent them through. Then Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco. The draw opened up for them. It must give Fergie sleepless nights even now – they should have walked it that year, and the cult of Mourinho might never have existed.

As far as I am concerned Ranieri winning the league with Leicester City is the “single greatest managerial achievement of the 21st century”. Mourinho fluked the Champions League and then bought his way to success wherever he's been. I'd love to see him manage a mid-table side somewhere – we'd quickly find out how over-rated he and his methods are.

Andrew Keatley
80 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:48:16
Filipe Torres (26) - “You seem to forget the basics of footie, Marco: 80+% of goals come from winning the 2nd ball in the box, dude.”

Where on earth have you got that statistic from? Maybe I’ve misunderstood something - or you’ve phrased it in a way that is confusing (to me at least) - but I’d happily wager that winning second balls in the box does not lead to 80+% of goals...

Jim Harrison
81 Posted 24/09/2019 at 03:30:06
It's not good enough, and this weekend was dire. The manager made some bad decisions but I am willing to give at least until 10 games, and I am interested to see what happens when we get the actual first-choice midfield on the pitch.

Laurie Hartley
82 Posted 24/09/2019 at 04:24:27
Andrew # 79 - pretty good comeback at Steve but I think the bloke who took his team through a whole premier league season undefeated just pips Ranieri’s wonderful achievement.

The last game I went to with my dad was against Arsenal - we lost 1-4. I can still see the look of awe on my dad’s face when he turned to me as they swept up the field to score their second or third goal. What a football team that was. I consider it a privilege to have been there.

Tony # 78 - he is a perfect fit for what we and Moshiri need - he would turn the football side of the club upside down; but we would have to move very quickly - he has put the message out there that he is ready for management again. Someone will answer him in the very near future.

Martin Mason
83 Posted 24/09/2019 at 09:50:12
The media are picking up on the crisis at Everton now and I think Silva's position could become untenable if we get a really bad result tonight as Moshiri is influenced by bad press and bad feedback from the fans.
Sam Hoare
84 Posted 24/09/2019 at 10:35:42
Martin, I very much hope that Brands and Moshiri don't give a toss what the media think. I think Silva could lose tonight and against City and still be fine.

If we are in or near the relegation places by Xmas time that may be a different matter but Brands will want to stick by his man for as long as possible.

Ray Roche
85 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:00:57
Oliver@77

Give Ferguson a chance? “ Could it get any worse?”

He’s done fuck all as a strikers coach so I can’t see what this “Legend” would do as a manager? Maybe but Schneiderlin?

Martin Mason
86 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:53:33
I'm sure you're right Sam.
James Carroll
87 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:32:50
Matt Law in the Telegraph - woah!! Not good! Sounds massively like he's lost much of the dressing room... I wonder who the 'sources' are...? :

"Silva could be losing his grip on members of his squad, with question marks emerging over his lengthy training sessions and ­ability to motivate his team."

"The biggest of those problems appears to be the mental fatigue some players are feeling as a result of his long, tactical training sessions and ­preference for his squad to stay in a hotel before all games.
There is also a sense that he is failing to inspire his team and dwells on bad results for too long, rather than quickly lifting his ­players."

"Individuals have become bored during set-piece practice and switched off to the instructions they are being given. Those not ­directly involved have to hang around and can lose concentration."

"Silva likes to keep his players at the training ground for long periods, but groups of them are used to more intense sessions under past managers or at former clubs."

"He also prefers the squad to stay together in a hotel before home and away games, meaning players will often only have a couple of hours to return home after a Friday session before having to meet up again, which can be unpopular."

"Silva’s demeanour on the touchline has been commented on by frustrated fans, who would like to see more passion, and questions have been asked over whether he can motivate his players."

"Sources claim the 42-year-old stews on bad results and is not an inspiring character on the training pitch or in the dressing room."


Link

Tony Hill
88 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:43:02
I mentioned this on another thread James. Thanks for doing the link. I'm with Silva. Our " dressing room" needs to get its head out of its pampered arse.
Steve Ferns
89 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:08:49
If Marco silva has lost the dressing room his days are numbered. It seems he’s losing people rather than the dressing room based on that article.

The question is what are players telling brands. This is the point of the DoF. Who’s complaining? Disgruntled out of favour players? Or the big stars who we rely on? Has silva got enough players behind him to pick out best side?

If true, this article also shows the root of the problem. I’m with silva, if things aren’t going well, work hard to put them right. It’s what I’ve always done and what I was brought up to do. If you struggle with something work hard and put it right. The players are failing and this suggests they don’t want to work hard. Those are not players I want to see at my club and brands should move them on.

Cracks always appear with defeat and get worse as the pressure intensifies. Let’s see what happens after tonight. We must win. We must play well against city and we must start winning in the league.

Trevor Peers
90 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:19:51
Silva sounds like pain in the ass to work for if James's link is correct, no wonder the players look so depressed.
Steve Ferns
91 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:20:07
Andrew, Ranieri fluked his way to the premier league. He had a great 12 months were everything went right. It’s the only time he’s won any top flight. Mourinho has a CV few can match.

Mourinho had a mid-table side before. União de Leiria and he did great there in a very short period of time. He then took a faltering Porto who had not won the league for 4 season to the title in his first full season. He also racked up the pressure on himself by promising it beforehand. That first full season he also won the Europa league beating Martin O’Neill’s Celtic. Then the next season he won the league and the champions league.

He never fluked the champions league and I stand by my assertion it’s the single greatest managerial feat of the 21st century. Just look at the winners roll of the champions league over the last 20 years. Only Porto have won who are not a giant from the big 5 leagues. Make that big 3 as there hasn’t been a French winner in that time. His Porto side were a group of misfits and he turned them into a great side. Remember he had benny McCarthy upfront for God’s sake!

Main point was he attacked more back then and seems to have got more and more defensive as time has gone on. He’s lost his cheeky persona and become a grumpy old grouch.

John Keating
92 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:21:18
I don't know anything about Matt Law or his "sources"
However do we really need a journo to tell us what we can actually see with our eyes each week?

Every game we witness a completely unmotivated bunch of players.
We witness a manager who shows nothing when we go behind except strange tactics and substitutions.
We see a bunch of cowards strolling about giving even less when we go behind.
We may well cover as much ground over 90 minutes as other teams do but look at our lack of effort chasing back especially after 3/4 time.

There are other things Matt Law mentions which may or not contribute to what we are seeing every game, who knows.

Unfortunately once the dressing rooms gone then invariably the manager shortly follows. Shouldn't be but does.

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