10-man Everton beaten in another insipid away display

By Michael Kenrick 05/10/2019 654comments  |  Jump to last
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André Gomes returns after missing the last month with a rib injury, but only gets a seat on the subs bench

With Silva's approach and team effectively unchanged and the inevitable goal conceded from a set-piece, the performance and result differ only with the dismissal of Seamus Coleman, plunging Everton to the brink of the relegation zone.

Macro Silva, cautious as ever, made no real change to the side, with Iwobi starting now in place of Walcott, rather than replacing him after 1 minute, as happened last weekend. The dynamic duo of Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson start together in Everton's sluggish midfield.

Gomes is fit... but only for the bench. Walcott does not make the squad, while Gbamin is still on a long path to recovery from his thigh muscle tear.

Everton get an early opportunity, Gylfi Sigurdsson firing a free-kick towards the top corner but Nick Pope gets across to push the ball behind for a corner that is wasted.

On the whole. it was a bright Everton start but Burnley began to threaten, particularly down the left. Dwight McNeil broke down the wing and won a throw-in level with the Everton box. Eventually the cross was driven in for Gudmundsson, who headed straight at Pickford.

At the other end, a shot from Iwobi is deflected inches wide of the post. But the pace of the game was nothing if not pedestrian at best: no tempo, mo urgency, just two poor lower-mid-table teams feeling eachother out. Coleman won a corner for Everton and Sigurdsson this time found Mina but the ball bounced off the top of his head and over the bar. Tarkowskicomes off worst in impeding the towering Colombian, needing some treatment.

Calvert-Lewin escapes with a foul on McNeil, then Keane is all over Bares, and gives up a free-kick 35 yards out, but Everton clear with ease. No real chances after 30 minutes.

Tarkowski put Richarlison's teasing low ball behind for Everton's fifth corner of the game. The ball was flicked on at the near post where Iwobi doesn't get a good connection and Burnley can clear their lines.

Another Everton corner deflected off Tarkowski and McNeill was in the right place at the right time to hack the ball off the line. Iwobi then got in close and fired on the turn but Lowton got across quickly to block the shot away.

Coleman stretched for a loose ball but ended up planting his studs into the lower leg Erik Pieters, who hobbles off after treatment, bringing a pretty uninspiring first half of poor Premier League football to a close.

A careless pass back was almost pounced upon by Calvert-Lewin, but Mee hooked it clear. A clever little flick by Calvert-Lewin sent Sigurdsson through but his first touch was heavy and he couldn't keep the ball in play./p>

Coleman, already on a yellow card, gets himself sent off going in late and heavy on McNeil.

A mad scramble inside the Everton box, Pickford came out to punch, the ball glancing off his gloves but he managed to gather the loose ball before a Burnley player could pounce.

It's Burnley who finally break the deadlock, doming Everton to another ignominious defeat, another goal from another set-piece, Maroc Silva's famed zonal marking still all at sea. The corner is sent deep where Hendrick is unmarked, and thumps in a brilliant volley. It's a simple goal, but the finish is superb as he manages to fire in from a very tight angle.

Everton tried to respond but Keane could only head just wide from a corner. Kean replaced Calvert-Lewin with barely 15 mins left to come up with some Italian magic, Silva's substitutions nothing if not predictable.

Everton win another corner but play it short, and Pope catches the ball in with ease. Burnley break at pace, and Delph is forced to foul, giving away another threatening set-piece. Gudmundsson drove it into the wall off Iwobi for another Burnley corner that Pickford fails to catch.

With Everton now pressing, Burnley look to threaten again whenever they can break, but this time Pickford is able to make a comfortable save.

5 mins left and the final masterstroke from embattled Everton manager, Marco Silva, is to bring on Andre Gomes in place of the uninspiring Morgan Scneiderlin. Everton huff and puff through 6 minutes of added time to another ignominious away defeat.

Scorer: Hendrick (72')

Burnley: Pope, Lowton, Tarkowski, Mee, Pieters (55' Taylor), Gudmundsson (84' Lennon), Hendrick [Y:64'], Westwood [Y:86'], McNeil, Wood, Barnes (73' Rodriguez).
Subs not Used: Brady, Hart, Vydra, Long.

Everton: Pickford, Coleman [Y:44';R:56'], Keane, Mina, Digne, Schneiderlin (85' Gomes), Delph, Richarlison, Sigurdsson (59' Sidibe [Y:87']), Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin (74' Kean).
Subs not Used: Lössl, Holgate, Davies, Bernard.

Referee: Graham Scott

Attendance: 20,650


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John Pierce
1 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:01:49
You have to be kidding me with that team and formation?! Lordy.
Gary Fenton
2 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:04:16
No Walcott on the bench.
Ray Roche
3 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:07:28
“Slumpbusters “🤣

Same old shite line up. Predictable as an echo.

Steve Croston
4 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:10:14
Just seen the lineup and it's official... Silva is a fucking dunce. An absolute incompetent fool and he needs binning off ASAP.

Same formation, same shit players, same old Everton... He never changes that formation, ever!!! Aaaagggghhhhh!!!!

Danny O'Neill
5 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:10:15
Now I'm usually patient & tolerant (inherent Evertonian requirement right?).

But having lost 3 league games on the bounce, we effectively do the same thing?

This is beginning to smack of latter era Martinez stubbornness or lack of ideas.

Kim Vivian
6 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:11:19
'Dunce' - brilliant. Not heard that word for ages.
Tony Everan
7 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:11:35
The line-up worries me.

Too open in midfield, but maybe it will suit this game?

Taking up my position behind the sofa.

Derek Knox
8 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:14:14
We are going to change our name soon to Groundhog Rangers.
Bill Watson
9 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:18:55
Same old same old!

Martinez Mk 2 but with better players.

Michael Lynch
10 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:32:03
"Never change a winning side" is the old maxim. Marco has now expanded that into "never change a winning or losing side".
Clive Rogers
11 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:32:23
So monotonous. Complete lack of imagination. These guys were supposed to be good at bringing youngsters through. What do they have to do to get picked?
Neil Lawson
12 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:34:41
Too old now for despair. We have been shit so let's select the same usual suspects who combine to make us shit.

Results may prove me/us wrong, of course, but is there anyone out there who is genuinely confident of a positive outcome this afternoon with those 11 players? I very much doubt it.

Frank Crewe
13 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:34:43
@Bill 2

Better players? Don't know about that. Martinez had Lukaku. If he was in our current side instead of Calvert-Lewin, I'm sure we would be doing a lot better.

Kim Vivian
14 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:36:16
It's just mind-numbing to realize we could so easily be sitting 4th (just 6 more points – Sheffield Utd and Aston Villa?) or even 3rd (8 more points – Crystal Palace?) right now with our so-called easy start to the season. Such a wasted opportunity this car crash has been so far. Beggars belief but so predictable.

Start sorting it out today, Blues. Just do it.

Peter Jansson
15 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:36:40
Are you serious? The same formation with Schneiderlin. Does Silva want to be fired?
Christy Ring
16 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:37:59
Surprise Surprise, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson starting. Most managers make changes when you lose your last 3 games in the Premier League... unbelievable.

Gomes probably wouldn't last 90 mins, but would it not make more sense to start him, instead of using him from the bench. Also, I would have played Bernard instead of Sigurdsson.

Danny Baily
17 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:39:27
Whenever we have the pitchforks out, they normally surprise us. Fingers crossed!
Simon Smith
18 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:40:35
We have to face it, we are one of the poorest teams in the league at the moment. I could not confidently predict us beating anyone right now.

That team is completely bereft of any confidence, which has filtered through to us fans. I'm finding the start to this season as bad as Koeman's second season.

Christy Ring
19 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:46:35
Surprise Surprise, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson starting again. Most managers, when they lose their last 3 Premier League games, change things.

I know Gomes wouldn't last 90 mins, but would it not make more sense to start him, instead of him coming off the bench? I would have started Bernard for Sigurdsson.

Ian Lloyd
20 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:50:32
Bill @ 5 - better players? Not convinced myself!
Annika Herbert
21 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:50:42
Can someone please explain to me exactly what Sigurdsson is currently doing to guarantee his place in the team every single week?!! I can only hope that this is the week he shows his, alleged, creative talents.
Ian Lloyd
22 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:51:55
Regardless of the result – I'm so disillusioned with this; win or lose today, please get rid of this clown.
John Hammond
23 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:53:21
Silva is just screwing with us. He's going 4-3-3. Surprise!

*Sarcasm*
Bill Gall
24 Posted 05/10/2019 at 14:56:05
The manager has a lot of imagination with this team selection. His players must be aware that, if they play poor, the manager will still play some of them.
Jerome Shields
25 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:04:01
I would have put Sidebe on for Coleman and Davies on for Sigurdsson.
Christy Ring
26 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:13:28
Jerome @25, Coleman was probably our best player against Man City?
Ken Kneale
27 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:22:04
Bill. I think you mean will still play ALL of them. I cannot understand those supporting this manager. He is out of his depth even more so this season than last having lost his Number 2 and it is showing in his decision making, pre- and post-match comments and in his game management. Whatever the result today, I am afraid he is not up to the job of managing Everton.
Danny Broderick
28 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:40:11
I'm disappointed, not so much by the players selected, but by the fact that nothing has changed, it's still 4-2-3-1. Why not try Sigurdsson in a midfield 3? Playing Sigurdsson behind Calvert-Lewin does not give us enough attacking threat.
Jim Marray
29 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:48:30
See Silva has sent the team out with Granny instructions today. Don't run to fast, when you have got the ball in our half make sure you're passing it round within touching distance of our box. And finally, make sure you wave to Calvert-Lewin 'cos he will be lonely up there on his own.
Annika Herbert
30 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:49:47
How about dropping Sigurdsson altogether? He is offering nothing.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

31 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:50:18
Exciting, innit?
Danny Broderick
32 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:53:18
0-0 half time. Too many familiar failings for me. Coleman constantly dribbling into trouble, never crossing the ball. Richarlison half asleep - must be the doziest player we have ever had. Sigurdsson anonymous. DCL has had no service. Schneiderlin covering a lot of ground, all of it in 2nd gear.

We are too slow moving forward. Every time we turn back and go sideways, and by then Burnley have everyone back behind the ball.

Positives: Keane and Mina have looked solid, Digne is probing and Delph has done well. The rest is same old.

Gary Willock
33 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:55:35
Anyone who thinks Silva should stay should take one look at the table and one look at who we’ve played.

If you think that’s good enough for the money we’ve had, we are a big part of the problem.

Lennart Hylen
34 Posted 05/10/2019 at 15:57:27
Predicted final result a Burnley win by 2 goals = Silva out at last. :)
Drew O'Neall
35 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:04:19
Can’t lose your two most important players and improve.
Ciarán McGlone
36 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:18:42
The worst thing about that red card is that it lets Silva and his pathetic management off the hook.
Neil Lawson
37 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:23:50
Ciaran.

Potentially yes... but equally, the mark of a good manager is his ability to react positively and proactively to adversity. Not our Marco.

Lose a full back. Put on a full back. Cling on. Lose. Moan.

Neil Lawson
38 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:30:26
I am abroad. 150 yards away is a pub showing all Premier League games simultaneously. My wife is happy for me to go.

Says something about just how disillusioned I am about my team that I would rather stay with her than suffer up the road with a pint!

Danny Broderick
39 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:31:10
In fairness Neil, he had to put a right back on.

Coleman completely let Silva (and us all) down today. He played crap and put in two terrible challenges – the first one could have been a red card on its own.

It's so depressing being an Everton fan at the moment.

Frank McGregor
40 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:31:59
Please tell me the difference between Marco's team and watching Allardyce's team?
Neil Lawson
41 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:34:30
Wise choice for me. They would have scored as I walked up. Presumably now Kean and others will join the fray and all of them will run around like headless chickens, whilst Burnley stroll through the last 20 mins.
Christy Ring
42 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:34:42
Zonal marking is an absolute joke, he has to go.

Regarding the red card, the 2nd yellow very harsh.

Jason Broome
43 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:35:46
Calling time on this nonsense. I've got no motivation for this boring, passionless garbage.
Ken Kneale
44 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:38:13
You cannot employ second-tier management and expect first-rate results or performance or tactics. This guy will never be a winner – time for a taxi.
Neil Lawson
45 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:40:34
Silva's teams have conceded 45 goals in the Premier League from set-pieces.

45!!!

He couldn't manage a Sunday League team.

Neil Lawson
47 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:44:58
Oops, 46. (Please see #37.) I will be applying for Marco's job along with thousands of others who CAN see the inevitable.
Ken Kneale
48 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:48:51
Neil - most of the applicants could do not worse, I suspect.

Time us all to be put out of this depressing miserable Groundhog Day that is modern era Everton FC.

Gary Hughes
49 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:48:59
I wasn't in the "Sack him" brigade but have had my mind changed. A good manager brings in players and hopefully makes them better than they were.

Guardiola has done it at Man City and klipperty Klopp is doing it with the Red Shite. Guardiola has got rid of players who don't improve or don't have the work ethic he is looking for. Klopp has either been lucky or he is great at scouting players because I can't really think of anyone he has brought in and he not improved (maybe Keita but he's still young enough).

Silva and his coaching staff aren't doing it for Everton and his whole demeanour is depressing, whether it's on the touchline or in interviews.

Neil Lawson
50 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:53:35
Gary, Yes. I cannot believe that there was a single supporter who was confident of a positive outcome once the team was announced. What is it that Silva sees that no-one else can... or vice versa?
Paul Gallagher
51 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:55:47
Is there a supporter left that sees Silva as the man to take us forward as oppose to relegation?
Frank Crewe
52 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:56:06
Our young up-and-coming manager turned out to be our young up and going manager.

Silva is just marking time now. The sack is inevitable as night following day.

Simon Smith
53 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:57:30
I said earlier, there isn’t a single team in this league worse than us. Utter tripe!
Annika Herbert
54 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:57:31
Silva should be sacked straight after the game, we simply are awful!! With the quality of player available to him, we should not be down in the relegation zone. Get him out now and start the search for someone who can get these players motivated.
Cristobal Aguirre
55 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:58:25
I said it many times before and I say it again. We have to get rid of our "Manager". He definitely does not know how to defend set-pieces, I believe that even he does not work on it.

Our midfielders contribution for the attack is 0 but really 0. We can barely create a chance and the "manager" even dresses as he goes to a funeral. The sooner we get rid of him, the better.

The only point I was wrong was when I said that it is a relegation battle. It is just a relegation. The players today tried to do something but there is not a system and that is because we don't have a manager.

Eric Paul
56 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:58:41
45 goals conceded from set-pieces in 100 games under Marco Silva.
Jim Harrison
57 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:58:56
Thats him done.

With the players at his disposal, he has to get them playing better.

Who comes in? Jose would be my choice, at least it would be interesting come pressers!

Denis Richardson
58 Posted 05/10/2019 at 16:59:21
Simple analysis of the game: We need a new manager and coaching staff.

The end.

Paul Birmingham
59 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:01:13
Sick to the back teeth and as predicted the RS get another penalty.

Huff, puff, and no genuine game plan. What the hell is happening at Everton?

This is a serious malaise and no sign of scoring goals and a loose defence.

The character and soul of the club is being melted down into the very long distant past.

I don't get the game plan, and how the hell can we aim to win a football match, playing like this?

We are rank and 4 defeats and in all, bar a bit of effort last week, we are looking like a defeated team as soon as we get on the park.

Rant over, and what happens next?

Tom Roberts
60 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:01:36
Loyal followers. It's time to vote with your feet. If Marco Silva is in charge after the International Break, then nobody should attend the West Ham game.

I know your love is for the club and not the manager but something has to give. We are heading for relegation. I have not seen a worse Everton team in my life and also have not seen a worse team than us in the Premier League. Can't defend and can't score.

Tony Hill
61 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:01:48
That was an utter disgrace. Yerry Mina played well. There is nothing else to say, I am in despair about the club. I don't think it's just the manager, not by a long chalk.

As low as it gets.

Gary Hughes
62 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:02:01
Sign of madness is doing the same thing time after time and expecting a different outcome. Taxi for Silva but who do you bring in?

And, if we do sack him, that will be 3 managers we have sacked but are still paying wages too. Moshiri must be thinking "WTF???"

Neil Carter
63 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:02:18
Can't score. Can't defend. Poor team selection. No team spirit. Expected result. He's got to go sooner, not later!
Ray Smith
64 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:02:19
Where do we go from here?

Two weeks for the directors to try and sort this mess out!

Get Rafa, and pay the going rate for a proven manager at the highest level.

We have the players who just need organising.

Shouldn’t be that hard!

Kieran Kinsella
65 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:03:14
I am not even mad or surprised. I guess my spirit is just broken and I am so conditioned to failure I don't even have the sliver of optimism required to be disappointed. I imagine our "cup run" may keep Silva around a while longer, not that the board are likely to replace anyone better if they ever fire him.
Jim Bennings
66 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:04:22
He's gone now, Silva... let's be honest, he can't get anything from these overpaid no-marks and as per usual when we go behind we lose.

Relegation battle, when you can't score goals or keep clean sheets then what else is there to expect really?

I'm awaiting the Monday morning sound bites from one of our players

“We'll turn it around”

Yadda yadda fuckin' yadda!!

Rudy Chinchilla
67 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:04:24
I've never wanted Silva as manager, but I'm also concerned about who might come in if we sack him now. This board has proven to be inept at finding a good manager in the last few years and I'm afraid we might just end up in the same situation with the next guy who comes in for the job.

I could see them appointing Mourinho, but I don't think he's the answer, either. I would love to see Marcelino appointed, but the people who run things at the club never seem to look overseas for a manager.

Jason Broome
68 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:04:53
This is not a joke. I'm thinking about sending my CV in.

If this is what Moshiri expects from an Everton manager then I could deliver the same results for a lot less wages.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

69 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:05:11
Groundhog Day.

Always difficult when you go down to 10 men, but in all honesty the way Everton played all game didn't change either side of the sending off.

Teams do not have to play exceptionally well to beat us. Just be bog-standard ordinary – in defence, midfield and attack – and we do and have nothing to hurt them back.

We continue to look quite abject against very ordinary teams. It's inevitable that Silva's position will increasingly come under pressure. This malaise cannot be allowed to continue unabated.

Andrew Lum
70 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:05:49
I can't believe after three successive defeats, Silva still started with Delph, Schniederlin and Sigurdsson in midfield and the same tactics. Conceded another goal from a set-piece. No Plan B. Please go now, Silva.
Charles Barrow
71 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:06:32
Silva must be stupid! It's clear his team selection and tactics don't work. Does he not realise that when he watches the game?? Whoever is up front is isolated! The midfield are far too slow in 'transition' and the defence fanny around too much.

He could change the players and/or try new tactics. His stubborness should cost him his job.

James O'Connell
72 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:06:47
Same shit served up on a different plate each season.
Annika Herbert
73 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:07:25
Silva should be sacked straight after the game, we simply are awful!! With the quality of player available to him, we should not be down in the relegation zone, get him out now and start the search for someone who can get these players motivated.
Tony Hill
74 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:07:29
Oh, and the referee was another disgrace. Not that we can look to him for an excuse after that debacle.
Jim Marray
75 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:08:09
Before everyone gets excited about sacking Silva stop and think about what happens next. Another Koeman, fat Sam, another Martinez look alike? I am not confident that Everton could actually find a manager who can do what is necessary to turn this club around.

We need a manager to develop a team that is cohesive and work for each other. A manager who is strong enough to say no when Brands or Moshiri want to bring in the next big-name player and instead demands the player who fits the role needed to move the team on.

We also need new coaching staff. I find it incredible tgat tye youngsters that Unsworth develops then go backward when they get in the first team. Davies was one, Barkley is another. Maybe it is time to promote Unsworth to assistant manager to provide some continuity for the current crop of young players.

If Silva is shown the door, then I think Everton needs to look to Germany for the next manager. They seem to be providing the best development for young players and their commitment to strong technical ability would improve the current team no end.

John Boon
76 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:09:57
Jason 68... I have the same qualifications as yourself. I could become your assistant. We couldn't do any worse. Silva could go back to Watford and help Everton in their relegation fight. Yes, we are in one.
Jason Broome
77 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:10:20
Moyes until May 2020.
Jeff Armstrong
78 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:11:17
We now need 10 wins out of 31 games to stay up, that's a massive ask given our current form and fixtures to come. We need a big change because currently this manager cannot see the issues we have and keeps picking the same out-of-form players over and over. Had Coleman stayed on, the best we probably would have got was 0-0, not nearly enough.

I really wanted Silva to succeed but he is showing himself to be totally incompetent and unable to stop the rot.

Bill Fairfield
79 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:11:46
Same line-up, same failed tactics, same clueless manager... it will be the same next game.
Ian Lloyd
80 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:12:14
Please do the club a favour and walk now.
Craig James
81 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:14:02
As the saying goes keep doing the same things and expect the same result...

Not one to call for the managers head but he has to go. No plan A, B or C and how poor are we in the final 3rd?!

Silva has been given time, money and still can't get these overpaid prima donna's playing as a team.

If Moshiri truly wants to turn us into a major force again then he needs to show his ruthless streak that obviously he must of had to make the money he has because if not do we will be dragged into a relegation battle for the rest of the season and it will be another wasted season.

Joys of being a blue I suppose?!

Simon Hermansen
82 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:14:18
It's the total predictability of it all that's most frustrating. Same old "caution first" line-up. Possession but no creativity. No quality in front of goal. Concede from set-piece. No Plan B. Like-for-like subs.

If Silva doesn't want to change his approach, then we need to change him!

Joe McMahon
83 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:14:53
Moise Keen showed some promise when on, that's it. Again I won't watch another game until the manager has gone. It's just wasted hard earned.
Tony Twist
84 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:15:05
Insipid – just like the manager. We were just luring them into a false sense of security, ready to pounce when Coleman got sent off! This coach needs to go as we are on the slippery slope.

But hang on – if we do dice with a relegation battle we will be fine coz pressure brings the best out of these players!

George Cumiskey
85 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:15:44
Spot on again, Annika.
Cristobal Aguirre
86 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:15:57
Jason 77, I completely agree. Moyes has to come back at least till the end of the season.
Danny Baily
87 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:16:07
Is Benitez available?

We can stay up, just need a new coach to come in and shake things up.

Ian Riley
88 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:16:27
How does an ex Liverpool manager come into our thinking when he thinks we are a small club?

The club is 17th in the league! We are in trouble. Two weeks till the next match. Silva won't turn this around, sadly. We need to be organized and hard to beat. David Moyes with Unsworth as number two. May not be perfect but a fighting chance of survival is required.

Mike Gwyer
90 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:17:25

Ray Smith.

"Get Rafa, and pay the going rate for a proven manager at the highest level"?

Not a chance. We are total shite and Rafa is on mega bucks. Why would he come here?

Everton currently play without a striker, not even a fucking stiff of a striker. So somehow, Calvert-Lewin gets the ticket and fuck me, other teams just laugh at our excuse of a Number 9.

Oh well, we can now have hundreds of threads on how or why Calvert-Lewin is not quite there or how shite Silva is, but in reality we play without a striker.

Every game we somehow get beat, but we always seem to have around 60 to 70 percent of possession. Figure that one out.


Gerry Ring
91 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:18:42
It was patently bloody obvious, even before he was hired, that Silva neither had the pedigree nor track record to succeed at Everton. He compounded his shortcomings by making incredible, ill-judged decisions, eg, selling McCarthy without even giving him a chance and keeping Schneiderlin.

Anybody would be an improvement, Benitez or Hughton, would be a huge improvement. Pay him off tomorrow and get somebody who has a record of success or at least somebody with a football brain.

Tony Hill
92 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:19:25
What is the rot though, Jeff @78? The players are incapable of doing basic things, first touch, passing, crossing and so on. That isn't to do with the manager. We've been having versions of this debate for years and years. That performance was indistinguishable from the same shite we have seen away from home, apart from a handful of games, under various managers.

We are a club of half-arsed losers, full of fantasy and sentimental nonsense grown over decades and still curated by the current Board. Who's going to change that, who do we have, or who can we get, with the immense force of will and character required to overcome this poisonous heritage?

Ed Prytherch
93 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:19:33
Roy Keane watching the game in the stands. Has he been tapped up to take over until the end of the season?

Jason Broome
94 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:22:57
The players can't play zonal marking... so, for two seasons, we play zonal marking!?

We don't have Lukaku to bail us out this time around and I don't know where the goals are going to come from?

I have no confidence in us beating any of the bottom 6.

How ironic would it be if, in the season that Liverpool win the league, we end up getting relegated!

John Davies
95 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:23:33
I get it that people are asking "Who do we get in if we sack Silva?" — but the club simply cannot afford to leave him in charge. He is going to get us relegated (along with his spineless players) and so Moshiri has to make the change.

My choice would be Eddie Howe but I'm sure plenty of others will have different thoughts. The bottom line is that, if Silva is left in place, we are going to be in the Championship next season.

60 years a Blue, I've never been so flat and despondent.

Christy Ring
96 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:24:09
The sending off didn't change the game, we were playing utter rubbish with 11 men. No passion, no drive, absolutely shocking at set pieces, we're going backwards.

The scariest part is, we're 17th in the table, and the only top team we've played so far, is Man City. Time to change the manager in the 2-week break.

Lennart Hylen
97 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:24:19
Enough is enough. Silva out now. I said it when he was appointed.
Just look at his win %. It speaks for itself. He should never have been appointed.

Replace him with José Mourinho. I cannot say that I like his personality but he has got a track record. That is what Everton needs now, at once!

Pat Kelly
98 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:24:42
It's over for Silva bar his actual sacking. He has stripped this squad of anything it had. Can't defend, nothing in midfield and wouldn't know a goal if they saw one.

He's a spent force without the credibility to retrieve the situation. Surely the Everton board must see that. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing at the right time. Nothing is gained by delaying it.

Jason Broome
99 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:25:13
John Boon. I call you if I get the job!

Ed Prytherch. You might have a point.

Dave Evans
100 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:25:44
We had easier starting fixtures than most. We have players that are of a better quality than most. Yet we a languishing around the relegation zone.

It's no longer about how the manager can turn things around. It's about how did he get us here.

David Connor
101 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:25:49
Boring football. Boring manager/coach. He needs sacking tonight before it's too late for anyone else to save us from the drop. Because these useless bastards wouldn't give a flying fuck if we were playing Championship football next season. They would jump ship in the blink of an eye.

It's blindingly obvious these bunch of mercenaries just don't care enough about the fans and the club. They should all hang their heads in shame. But guess what: they fucking won't.

Craig Walker
102 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:25:53
What happened to the tactical genius who won the league with Estoril?

I'm afraid this was all too predictable when we appointed Silva. Even the good run last season included the Fulham debacle. He wasn't good at Hull City or Watford. The odd good performance but many dreadful ones. Not good enough.

We need a manager who knows how to win. Benitez for me. Fed up of summer optimism turning to relegation fears in October. We were a lot better when we had no money.

George Cumiskey
103 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:26:40
Mike Gwyer @ 90 — if you watched Brighton today, you would have seen a great young striker, Connelly, miles ahead of anything we've got.
Ray Smith
104 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:27:23
Mike 90

Rafa is currently in China, and his family are still on Merseyside.

Not sure money is the be-all and end-all.

Don't ask, don't get.

Andrew Keatley
105 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:27:46
The pile-on is in effect, and with good reason; Marco Silva has taken a good squad of internationals – young and old – and with the first 8 games of the season returned 7 points, and placed us at the dark end of the table.

Our first 8 fixtures – on paper – should have given us the chance to build a challenge for the top 6 by being at the top end of the table. Instead, we've been subjected to disjointed performances, predictably repetitive formations and selections time after time, and a manager who has proven himself to be clueless as to how to instigate change. It's time to act boldly and remove him from his post.

In many ways, I am not overly concerned with who we bring in. I'd personally be happy to give Unsworth the job until further notice. Seeing how Graham Potter at Brighton rolled the dice today – against Spurs no less – by giving starts to the mightily impressive 19-year-old Connolly and 21-year-old Alzate makes me weep for the ever-cautious Silva. I feel that Unsworth would shake things up immediately.

As a footnote, I thought we were also incredibly fortunate to get wins against Watford and Wolves. We have not played at all well this season – not for longer than the odd 10-minute spell here and there. Silva must go. Now.

David Nelson
106 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:28:34
Hope you're off the mark with that one, Ed (93).

With these fuckers in charge, anything is possible.

Bill Rodgers
107 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:28:40
There is something about this club for at least 25 years that produces the same result – the team is always lacking in commitment, organisation and professionalism.

At its heart, I think the problem comes from the need to achieve a quick "fix" – perhaps it's the comparisons with neighbours that drives managers to seek off-the-shelf solutions? Whatever it is – the pattern is well-set: EFC will flatter to deceive in the odd game against big names, and consistently struggle and fail in the majority of matches.

There have been too many managerial failures to attribute it all to the man at the top. The players come and go and the money we pay for them, for at least the last 3 years, cannot be the cause. But when that team steps on the pitch it lacks any professional determination and the fragility is almost constant.

The only way forward is to rebuild from the basics, as Klopp did. Throw away the backroom structures, the sentimental attachments to ex-players and School of Science bollocks – it is all a failure. I realise that the easy answer on here is to replace Silva with God knows who – or to blame it all on Kenwright. But the source of failure is the refusal to start at the very basic level, rebuild the lot, risk a really crap season. Or settle for another 25 years of mediocrity.

Rob Marsh
108 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:29:06
Jim Murray # 75

"We need a manager to develop a team that is cohesive and work for each other"

That's what we thought when we brought Silva in, young and progressive.

It's frightening when you think about the same mistake being made again with the next manager?

I hope Moshiri has nothing to do with the choice of the next manager.

Mike Powell
109 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:29:42
How much more of this do we have to take?

Get Silva out off our club before it's too late.

Kieran Kinsella
110 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:30:27
In the spirit of EitC and charitable work, we should bring Mike Walker back so we can definitively settle the debate as to who is worse: him or Silva.

Pick a worthy charity and, every goal we concede, the charity gets $10k.

Mick Davies
111 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:30:37
Gerry @ 91, well said; players like McCarthy will die for the cause, which is what we need right now.

Can anyone name a player we have that will do that? Gana left and this dope gets rid of his replacement for buttons.

Rob Marsh
112 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:31:38
Ed # 93

Roy Keane would probably continue the cycle we're already in.

Then again he can't be any worse than Silva.

Kieran Kinsella
113 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:31:46
Desperate times call for desperate measures. We need to convene a meeting — steel cage match — involving Brands, Moshiri and Tony Marsh.
Ian Lloyd
114 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:31:56
Defo Benitez, fook this ex-red shite – he would attract decent players with the money we have.

I'm sick to the back teeth of this monotonous shite, week-in & week-out – it's about time us Everton fans had some success to cheer on!!!

John Davies
115 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:32:59
Just seen Silva's after-match interview on Sky. Was he at the same game as the rest of us? Gibberish! Total gibberish. Get him out, for God's sake.
Michael Lynch
116 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:33:19
Silva was a gamble that didn't pay off. I know there are those on here who go on about his fantastic record in Greece and Portugal, but we're the third club he's fucked up here in England.

At least he actually had a decent start at Hull and Watford, but with us he's been shit from the start, except for a decent home spell at the end of last season when the players finally showed some intensity. Since then, we've gone back to the way we were – slow, ponderous, clueless, under-performing from one to eleven.

His record is now worse than Koeman's, and only marginally better than Sam's. Sack the fucker.

Ken Kneale
117 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:33:46
There is no reason to hold onto Silva now. He has had long enough to produce performances and passion from his team irrespective of results. We are no further advanced than when he took over – no shape, inconceivable line-ups and tactics and certainly no way of changing a game through match planning and substitutions.

The sending off today had no influence on any of the above so any comment along those lines from the manager is complete twaddle. He must go and go soon to enable a new manager to try and rescue a season.

Rob Marsh
118 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:34:35
Ian #11,4

Good shout, but I think many on here cannot forgive the fat Spanish waiter!

Bill Fairfield
119 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:34:48
Marco, these players just can't do zonal marking! How many more goals from set-pieces do we have to concede for you to be convinced???
Justin Doone
120 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:35:09
Fuming! Performance was as bad as the scoreline. Very few positives to take.

Well played, Schneiderlin sees off another manager after becoming a regular starter.

But at least Silva can take satisfaction from having more possession than the opposition again, bloody moron.

It's bad when a 'swashbuckling attacking manager' can't got his team to score or create half-a-dozen decent chances. 3 attempts on target, those stats are being kind.

I wanted Silva to turn it around but, as I and many others have said, he doesn't learn lessons or if he does, isn't able to get his players to do what he wants. Why not play two strikers for 10 minutes when 1-0 down or push Mina or Keane up top for last 10 minutes?

Either way, it's unacceptable because he keeps picking the same players, playing the same keep-ball and pass backwards rubbish.

Burnley's full-backs ran at our defence, winning corners, throw-ins, free-kicks. They whip crosses in because they have bodies running forward able to attack a ball. Simple, a bit of pace, energy and players carrying the ball forward down the wing into space, not cutting inside where the defenders are.

Seamus had a few good runs but his final ball isn't good enough. I can understand the sending off, he maybe was a little bit frustrated but another silly rash moment from one of our defenders.

Digne, who can cross, appears to have given up on first-time crossing. Always taking a touch, passing back inside for someone else to cross or lose possession.

I feel sorry for Calvert-Lewin. If he had 5 decent quick crosses into the box whilst he's on the move he'd have a chance. Today nothing. He'd be sensational playing for Burnley.

Mina played well. Richarlison and Delph ran themselves into the ground but overall no quality, no imagination, no leadership and the manager clearly has no answers.

Welcome back to the spotlight, David Unsworth. Do us all proud. If players aren't performing, drop them and give youth a chance.

My criticism of him, in his last stint he started playing Schneiderlin. Criminal mistake which I will not forgive if he does that again.

Tony Everan
121 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:37:12
Silva is on the brink.

Maybe Joao Pedro Sousa was the main man all along? Since he has left their partnership Silva has been all at sea. He's like a puppy that's lost its owner at the fair.

Anthony Jones
122 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:39:08
Jamie Crowley: Glad to see that you agree that the Klopp approach could be the way for us to close the gap on the usual suspects. Maybe one day brother.
John Pickles
123 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:39:37
Absolutely no point in sacking Silva unless Moshiri is going to bring a better manager in. Martinez, Koeman, Alladyce and Silva, all managers that have never managed a top team, never linked with a top team, never won a top league and never got to the latter stages of a top European competition.

Man Utd bring in Gollum, a similar manager and get similar results to us. City and The Dark Side bring in top managers and win the Premier League and the Champions League.

There is no reason why Moshiri can't lure a better quality manager to us. We are one of the 20 richest sides in Europe, playing in one of the few leagues that can expect European success.

There are more than 20 active managers that have a much better CV than our last 4 managers, some of them are or will be available. If Moshiri can't persuade one of them to take us on then there's something wrong, but if he can't we may as well stick with Silva as we are going nowhere either way.

Ray Roche
124 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:40:45
George Cumiskey@103

George, that was Connolly's debut. Remember the scenes when Davies broke into the team? And Lookman? One swallow etc.

Rob Marsh
125 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:42:48
John # 123

I'm hoping Moshiri has no part in the next manager coming to this club, he chose both Keoman and Silva if gossip is to be believed.

George Cumiskey
126 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:43:33
Ray, I'd swap him now for Calvert-Lewin.
Kieran Kinsella
127 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:44:49
Never understood the hype about Benitez at Newcastle. He led them to relegation, got promoted and then just about survived. Alan Pardew worked under the same financial constraints for years and had a much better record. We had their best start in 17 years, and won the manager of the year awards. Not saying we should get Pardew by any means but my point is that he was regarded as a failure, even though he had better success than Rafa. Yes, Rafa had success elsewhere but the situation at Everton is more akin to the mess he inherited at Newcastle or Inter, both of which he failed at.
Dave Lynch
128 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:45:50
Get fucking rid now before he wastes more money in the Jan window.

Like most people I would take the fat waiter in a heart beat. He's been gone a long time from the other lot, so that will be out of his system by now.


We always seem to employ managers with "potential" well fuck potential, get in a proven winner.

Benitez has won more on his own than our last 5 managers put together.

Neil Storey
129 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:47:27
Wenger?
Fran Mitchell
130 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:48:51
Glad I missed it.

Surely he's gone in the morning.

Kieran Kinsella
131 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:48:57
Here we go. Marco's post match analysis:

"When you are in these types of moments the details are against you."

Moments? a moment is a brief period of time not several months. "Details" a detail is like "the ball skimmed the keeper's laces but it was not awarded as an own goal." Things like, scoring goals, keeping clean sheets, playing well, are fundamentals. These are the basics, not "details."

Rob Marsh
132 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:49:08
Kieran # 127

The club is at that stage where the next manager just has to be better that what we've got, we're desperate.

We're failing on the pitch and in the back room.

Raymond Fox
133 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:50:15
What did Corporal Jones say 'don't panic' 'don't panic' !

We've become a joke club, I think what we need is a witch doctor to take this curse away thats hanging over us, or more probably its the right time to buy out Kenwright
The whole culture of the club needs to change, we are a soft touch on and off the field.
I'm not a big fan of changing the manager every five minutes but Silva is pretty uninspiring I must say.
I would give Duncan Ferguson his cards for starters he's been too associated with our lack of drive and success.
After that If I'm honest I haven't a effing clue what to do.

Rudy Chinchilla
134 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:50:32
Another question I have is what should we expect from our next manager? A few years ago, we were comfortably in mid-table and ready to make a run for the top four. Now, we're constantly fighting off the fears of a relegation dogfight.
Craig Walker
135 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:51:44
I don’t care about this ex-RS nonsense. We need a winner who can handle a club of our size. I think Rodgers would have been a good fit. I’d even go for the current Rangers manager. Maybe we need to start emulating those across the park and expecting better because our current managerial recruitment is an embarrassment.
Kunal Desai
136 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:53:17
Getting rid of Silva is the easy part, I wouldn't be that confident based on the last three seasons we will attract anything other than mediocrity in the next manager, really hope to be proved wrong but it will need to get worse before Silva gets sacked.
Just take the indecisiveness in appointing Allardyce, yes, then no, then Allardyce fleeced the club when they decided they wanted him.
No one has a scooby do, all very mishmash.
Kieran Kinsella
137 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:53:25
Craig,

Come on. Gerard? He has helped Rangers consolidate their place as the second best team in a two horse race. Aside from which he is an ass clown.

Anthony Murphy
138 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:55:17
Silva has one game to save his job. A defeat at home to WHU next week. and he’ll get his P45
Peter Jansson
139 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:55:27
Seriously Marcel Brands! Now we need you, can you please come up with a better manager than Silva? And hurry up please, we do not have much time.
James O'Connell
140 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:59:48
He probably has 10 games to save his job, we don't do decisive.
Joe Foster
141 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:59:55
Just dusting the cobwebs off my key board as it's been a while since I commented. This needs to stop now. He needs to go. The look on his face says " fuck me I've been caught on again". Dont wait till xmas just get someone who is better than this clown.
Peter Mills
142 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:02:02
These managers like Eddie Howe, Chris Wilder and Sean Dyche who are not fit to manage Everton keep finding ways to beat Everton.

Our manager, meanwhile, stands there looking gormless.

Michael Lynch
143 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:02:36
Has he gone yet?

Tony Twist
144 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:03:48
Antony (138), so we are going to waste the time available from this international break just to give Silva another game to prove that the man isn't for changing!
We should have the man lined up but this is Everton and until we act professionally we ain't going anywhere but down in this league. We are a Villa mk. 2 from a few years ago. The failings of this coach have been ignored for too long.
Hugh Jenkins
145 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:05:20
I think Moshri has shown, since coming into the club, that he is not afraid to wield the axe if things are going wrong.

Given our past history of stability for managers, the swift dispatch of, Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce, is, I feel, testament to this.

The difference now is, of course, that we have a Director of football and it will be interesting to see what impact this has, overall, on the current situation.

I will not and would not be surprised to see Marco Silva get his cards this weekend.

What intrigues me more is, who will his replacement be?

I, for one, would also not be surprised to see Unsworth step into the caretaker role, once again, whilst a permanent replacement is sought and, if Unsworth performs well over a series of games, I would also not be surprised to see him get the job - this time.

God knows, he couldn't do much worse, and we are almost a quarter of the way through the season.

Jamie Crowley
146 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:07:11
I had the exact same feeling today as the day I realized the players had stopped playing for Martinez.

Marco's time is up. It was all too clear and evident.

Mikel Arteta, Nagelsmann, Marsh, some young aggressive coach known by Marcel, anyone.

Just start playing real football for fuck's sake. All this "system" bullshit - down the sides, God forbid you play it in the middle of the pitch, etc., fuck that. Find a young, offensive minded coach and let's start to play something we can actually fucking watch, please.

It's time to pull the trigger. I never wanted to say it, and I swore I'd stand by Marco for three years. But today I saw a team who's packed it in and are not playing for their manager. I didn't think I'd see that, as Marco does have a sterling record of relationships with his players.

But the gig is up. The players are done. He's gotta go.

Peter Jansson
147 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:07:18
Silva is absolutely useless. The last 3 teamselections is a joke. Any normal person could see this coming. How cant Silva see it?

Sigurdsson plays even though he has not done anything good this season. Schneiderlin plays even though he has almost never been adding anything since he came to the club. Coleman plays even though he has not been very good lately. Delph is almost on his own on the midfield. That simply does not work.

Bernard who is one of our best players has not even been on the bench?!?

Even thouh Dignes long throws does not work we still continue with this, wasting opportunities.
The gameplay is way too slow. The midfield cripples the whole team. Why the f** did we not get a better central midfielder in the window? We have been lacking this for years. I could go on here for another hour.

Sack Silva now please or I will stop watching my beloved team.

Trevor Peers
148 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:07:43
We need a caretaker manager to stop the rot. Then take time to try and pick the right man. Hopefully it's not Roy Keane and Phil Neville.

There's no reason to expect Benitez to join us except if he's homesick. I'm waiting for the Moshiri statement on this and hope it's not. 'now is the time to be patient'. We got lucky last season, to continue with Silva would be a death wish, pay him off get him out. Patience is exhausted.

Allan Board
149 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:08:54
Can't score, keep conceding, player's behaving like kid's, ill discipline, zero confidence, no desire, no pride, no leaders and a coach who wouldn't win a pub league.
This all equates to a relegation. Perhaps it's the kick up the arse this club needs.
Rob Dolby
150 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:09:41
Craig 135 Are you winding us up.

Watching a stream the commentator pointed out that our back post is exposed at every corner. Sure enough free volley on the back stick. Similar chance in the first half was saved by Pickford.

For all of our possession we just don't look like scoring. Last 10 mins we didn't even throw a centre back up top.

How much longer can we give him. We have had an easy start and are looking more and more toothless the more games we play.

I have no idea what tactics he is using to try and win games. It looks like he is more interested in possession than scoring goals. We have conceded loads from set pieces but can't score from them. The fact that he is reluctant to change formation or tactics will get him the sack.

Kevin Prytherch
151 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:13:34
Have either Brands or Silva delivered for us?

Compare The teams of Moyes, Martinez and Silva and see if we’ve progressed...
(Based on 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, a number 10 role and a striker... and Moyes team being from a similar era as each other) who would you pick for each position?

Moyes / Martinez / Silva
Howard / Howard / Pickford
Coleman / Coleman / Coleman
Baines / Baines / Digne
Distin/ Stones / Mina
Jagielka / Jagielka / Keane
Osman / Delafelou / Richarlison
Pienaar / Mirallas / Iwobi
Carsley / Barry / Schneiderlin
Arteta / McCarthy / Delph
Cahill / Barkley / Sigurdsson
Yakubu / Lukaku / Calvert-Lewin

Hugh Jenkins
152 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:14:55
Just flicked over to BBC sport to see that WHU and CP are drawing 0-0 and thought - well if either of them win it won't affect our position in the table.

I then realised what I was thinking and why.

It is disgusting that any Evertonian should look at that scoreline and think what I thought.

Dave Williams
153 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:17:11
I would love to know what it is that Silva thinks he can achieve by consistently picking that midfield three and instructing the team to play backwards and sideways at a slow pace? Maybe one of our tactical experts can enlighten me because I just cannot see what he is trying to do.
This is very worrying now. Fourth from bottom after an easy start, can’t fight back to win, vulnerable at set pieces, can’t score goals and the players look totally miserable. The manager won’t give younger players a chance and persists with two thirty year olds with no pace, no real energy and one of whom is completely out of form.
Silva has spent a fortune ( with Brands) and whilst the quality of player has improved we are not seeing an improvement on the pitch. The loss of Gana and Zouma does not explain this dire position and Silva seems unable to inspire his players or to shake them out of this lethargy. Heaven only knows what the RS will do to us if we have not sorted ourselves out by the time we play them.
Silva was Moshiri choice although I never understood why. The next manager should be down to Brands and is a hell of a test for him. I just cannot see what alternative there is to getting rid of Silva- he was terrible for half of last season and is back to that position again now.
I am embarrassed to be a supporter at the moment because when mates start to rib me about our performances I have nothing to come back at them with. We are losing, we haven’t played a good game all season, we don’t look like scoring, we always look like conceding, we are slow, ponderous, lacking ideas, lack inspiration, lack energy and purpose, lack a plan B, we fail to entertain, we look miserable on the pitch, we bore the spectators, we are heavily criticised and generally slagged off in the media, we are ridiculed by other supporters ( 1-6 in the under 18s at home to RS for God’s sake- after being a goal to the good too) - I am a very positive character but even I cannot see a lifeline to cling onto this evening. If there is one, or someone can see what he is trying to do please enlighten me so I can rescue another Saturday!
Michael Lynch
154 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:17:54
Marco: "Last season we had a worse moment than this one and we reacted fantastic."

That's alright then. We were really shit last season but managed to become slightly less shit, and then we became shit again this season so just wait and we'll be a bit less shit again soon etc etc.

Not good enough. I don't buy a season ticket to watch my team endlessly recovering from being shit. Thanks, goodbye Marco

George Cumiskey
155 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:18:58
Just read the match report on the official Everton website, I'm sure Silva wrote it, you wouldn't believe how unlucky we were not to win. Lol
Peter Neilson
156 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:20:45
Just back from the game Silva had no choice other than to acknowledge the away support as he had to walk past us. Hopefully he was waving goodbye.
Justin Doone
157 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:22:11
Deep breath needed. We are not yet 10 games in so no need to panic.
I've already said Silva should go because he's simply not improving anything and he clearly can't handle the pressure.
He was never the manager to get us battling for the top 4 but has improved performances from Sam but not results.
So if change is coming we need to plan who very carefully.

I'm happy giving Unsworth the opportunity for now. He'll make us harder to beat, keep it simpler (back to basics) whilst playing the youth is needs be.

Number 1 for me has always been Roberto Mancini. Now managing Italy and I'm not sure if he would leave so soon as he's only been there 4 months.
2nd Simeone but Language and our lack of pedigree would be hard to sell.

After that it's probably short term so realistically Moyes is probably most likely if he's out of work or the ex-Watford boss.
I'm OK with Benitez but doubtful as he's on mega money in China.
Is like to consider Howe but his weakness is our weakness ie teams can't defend and the same applies for Wenger.
I think he'd be the one after if Mancini can sure up the defensive side of the squad.

Mourhinho can get bent. Hope he'd say no if we approached. Proven winning mentality but massive short term disruption and

Jim Marray
158 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:23:55
Rob Marsh #108 I don't like saying I told you so but when Silva was first mooted as manager I pointed out that he would not deliver, I also said the same about Martinez but hey what do I know, maybe Silva will go onto to manage Greece or Luxembourg. Like Martinez at Belgium.
My issue with our boardroom is that it is like a lot of Everton fans; buy this player that player, we needca striker, a centre half some top player can be bought to fill name the role. The truth is a bit uglier though. You need to buy players who fit a style, who can walk in and establish themselves as part of the changing room ethos, all the things Everton have not done since Moyes. Oh and he is not the answer now. But nor are people like Marcelino, my mate at work is a West Ham fan and he is not flattering in his comments about Pellegrino.
Phil Wood
159 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:24:17
Rafa Time!
Christy Ring
160 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:24:21
Silva picked the same team again today, after losing our last 3 Premiership games, so how can we stick with him, he's totally clueless. He won't change his game plan, if that's what he calls it, two holding midfielders, against arguably weaker teams, and playing Sigurdsson, who has been shocking. Enough.
Moshiri has to act now. A few names mentioned, personally, I'd leave Benitez in China, and try and get Arteta, not because he's a former Evertonian, he's learned his trade from Wenger, and Guardiola, who thinks the world of him, it's his time to be a no.1.
Mick Davies
161 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:25:14
Kevin: a mixture of Moyes guts and determination with Martinez flair: 1) Pickford 2) Coleman 3) Baines 4) Distin 5) Jagielka 6) Richarlison 7) Pienaar 8) Barry 9) McCarthy 10) Cahill 11) Lukaku. . . staying rigid to your selection but possibly a few more changes if allowed, but that team is awesome
Simon Smith
162 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:25:20
I’d take Moyes’s team every time Kevin. At least those players seemed bothered and knew how to battle!
Christopher Marston
163 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:28:24
Any other team would tell Silva to sling his hook. We however seem to give managers way too much time and then miss out on available top managers who know how to set up teams to play football.
Peter Neilson
164 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:28:25
Mourinho was interviewed last week and said he turned down a yearly £30m+ after tax deal in China. He only wants to be at a club where he can immediately challenge for titles. Even if we wanted him we aren’t even on his radar. Over to Brands, surely there’s a succession plan, surely!?
Andy Crooks
165 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:28:49
This coach has all the skills necessary to relegate us, and the C.V to prove it. Whatever he did in minor leagues, his record in the Premier League is utterly abject. We have been hoodwinked.
Stubborn, no plan B, about as inspiring as a dog turd. The future of our club depends on the immediate dismissal of this vastly overrated charlatan.
Anthony Murphy
166 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:29:40
Tony#144, I’m not saying that’s what I want to see happen but I think they’ll hold fire for now and see how we get on against WHU. Moshiri will be reluctant to sack him and will give him one last chance. A convincing win next time out and he gets a stay of execution. Another missable defeat in front of a home crowd and he’ll have no choice but to sack him. Like I say, not what I’m advocating but what I think will happen.

Whilst I’m here, let’s not forget that we were doing really well towards the end of last season but failed to replace Gana, Zouma and did not bring in a striker (Kean obviously not ready) so whereas Silva will probably pay the price, he’s not the only one to blame. Brands cannot be blameless here. I’m ever so slightly concerned that Brands will want a young manager with potential rather than someone proven - someone to be part of his long term project. That concerns me as it’s a risky strategy with the current squad/mood at the club.

Rob Marsh
167 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:30:15
Christy # 160

Arteta if completely unproven as a manager, that would be a huge gamble.

How many of SAFs assistants walked away from UTD and didn't do as well as we thought they'd do?

I think we need a manager with some History behind him this time.

Jim Marray
168 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:31:00
The following is from the EFC website:
A game Everton dominated both in terms of possession and goalbound chances was ultimately decided by Seamus Coleman’s sending off for two bookable offences as the Blues suffered a cruel 1-0 defeat at Burnley

Not sur what game they were at because BBC stats say Everton had 2 shots on target and only 2 more shots in total than Burnley. It is this positive spin despite the fact that make me doubt our board is capable of doing the right thing or finding the right manager.

Gerry Ring
169 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:31:17
Would love to see Carsley being brought into the coaching staff. Apparently he s very highly thought of at England U21s. As I previously posted, a combination of Arteta & Carsley wouldn’t be a bad thing. One has learned from the best & the other is Carsley, need I say more?????
Andy Crooks
170 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:31:30
Craig @ 135, such is my contempt for Silva, I believe that is a top post.
Tony Hill
171 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:32:04
Jamie @146, I think you're right. They don't want him. Just like they haven't wanted other managers. I understand the feelings about Silva but we have a gutless, self-indulgent set of players and we have had for a long time. They are shameful but they feel no shame.

We'll get in another manager and we'll have a honeymoon, until the players decide they don't like him either. How tiring and depressing it all is. I don't think we're supporting Everton any more, we're supporting a travesty, just a name and a name which is being abused.

We're not alone, of course, many other clubs' fans suffer the same casual contempt: pay your money please, and let us kick you in the balls.

Michael Lynch
172 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:32:06
Our current team is about as anonymous as I can remember. Where's the Tim Cahill? Where's the Peter Reid? The Phil Neville? The Big Dunc? All limited players, but with one of them in the side you knew you had a chance in every game. The most important signing for us would be a leader, and our next manager should be a leader too. The rest would take care of itself.
Paul Goodchild
173 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:32:06
Kevin 151 - What I find depressing is how much better Moyes’s and Martinez’s sides are compared to the current one. Not really progress!
Brian Wilkinson
174 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:32:23
I bet big Sam is laughing his nuts off.

Here’s another thought, purely tongue in cheek, our last three managers have all been paid up for additional seasons they did not have to even get out of bed for.

Get some bad results and you get rewarded with a full pay off.

That is what you get with not bringing in a top quality striker, people scoffed at Vardy last season, but he is a damn sight better than anyone we have at the club.

Andy Crooks
175 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:33:54
Yes, Gerry you need say more. No more ex players.
Jason Broome
176 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:34:09
Isn't it nice when everyone on ToffeeWeb is in agreement.

It's time for a Game Of Thrones moment... and I don't mean shaving his head, stripping him nude and banging a bell shouting "shame."

Although i'm tempted.

Gerry Ring
177 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:35:07
As a footnote to my previous comment, the simple reality here is that Silva has proven beyond a doubt that he hasn’t a bloody clue. He continues to do the same things week after week & expects a different outcome. As my brother Christy mentioned earlier, we have only played one of the top sides as yet. This is as bad as it’s ever been!!
Peter Laing
178 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:35:46
Proven winner needed, not a coach with potential. Wenger, Mourinho, Benitez - shortlist of three.
Andy Crooks
179 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:37:46
Michael @ 172, no need to ask where big Dunc is. He's still here stealing a living like he did for years.
Jer Kiernan
180 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:39:24
I said at the time he was a "lottery ticket" appointment and noted that NOBODY else wanted him, , we should have shown some intent and at least "tried" to get Anchillotti/Simeone or somebody of that calibre

The most disappointing and indeed worrying part for me was the fact that he just kept repeating the same formula defeat after defeat after defeat, There would have been plenty on here dissecting any such tactical change but nobody would have had issue with him actually changing things up ?

Not only have all the performance been shite this year but each game has been a carbon copy of the last

Sorry lads we bought the ticket once again and "hoped" a manager without any pedigree would come good for us ? Odds were heavily stacked against it happening and the idea he may overnitght go from looking clueless to being a manager of any note is nil

I had asked before if anybody knew the portuguese word for Embarrasing ? it doesnt appear to be in Marco vocabulary but is the only description I can find

Goodbye Marco - Even if we don't have a replacenent he needs to go and Unsworth step in the interim for sake of the travelling support especially - We are a joke

Grant Rorrison
181 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:39:38
Peter 178. Wenger?! You missed out SAF.
Ken Kneale
182 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:39:46
Andy 165. What can anyone add to that. A fine succinct summary of a most serious and worrying situation
Stephen Meighan
183 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:41:57
I think it's time for Silva to go now. He keeps coming out with the same old excuses.

I recently read Wenger was looking to get back into management. We couldn't do much worse – the man is a proven winner. I know he took some flak off the Arsenal fans towards the end of his tenure but they’re no better now.

Persuading him to come to a poor mid-table team is another matter but at least test the water. This appointing mediocre managers has got to stop.

Peter Laing
184 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:42:17
Wenger is out of work, hence why he's on my shortlist !
Grant Rorrison
185 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:44:03
Yeah, but he's ancient. He wouldn't live long enough to turn this mess around.
Daniel A Johnson
186 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:44:08
As it stands the much maligned Sean Dyche is in 4th.

I’m not saying we go for him but a pragmatic manager who get us well organised and tough to beat could be just what we need.

Dermot Byrne
187 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:45:00
Shankly?
Ed Prytherch
188 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:45:44
Tony Everan wrote "Maybe Joao Pedro Sousa was the main man all along ? Since he has left their partnership Silva has been all at at sea. He's like a puppy that's lost it's owner at the fair. "

I agree. And we replaced him with Boa Morte. Why, because he speaks Portuguese? He and Duncan hated each others guts as players. I can't imagine that there is any decent chemistry in there,

John Raftery
189 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:50:03
Daniel (186) Someone like Sam Allardyce? Or David Moyes perhaps? I can see the protest banners being unfurled now!
Rob Marsh
190 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:50:47
Daniel # 186

Whenever the name of a British manager who has his team organised to survive is mentioned, there's always almost a feeling of embarrassment because they're not regarded as being as talented or progressive as continental managers are.

Give Dyche £300m to spend and I don't think he'll do to badly at all. We need to open our minds for the next choice of manager.

George Cumiskey
191 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:52:29
I'm just waiting for the next player to be wheeled out and tell how much they believe in Silva and how the new ground is coming along. Lol.
Rudy Chinchilla
192 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:52:35
Jim Murray (158): Can you tell me why you think Marcelino wouldn't be good? I think, out of all the Spanish managers, his style would most easily fit with the Premier League. Been wanting him for a few years now. Plus, he took over a Valencia side that was in a similar state of turmoil as us and qualified them to the Champions League and won the Copa del Rey against Barcelona.
George Cumiskey
193 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:54:37
Rob Marsh spot on.
Robert Williams
194 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:57:07
18:54 and still no comment for the Defence of the Undefendable Silva. Stevie, oh Stevie –wherefore art thou??

Come on, ma – let's have another round of Heat Maps!!

Rudy Chinchilla
195 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:57:20
I don't hate the Arsene Wenger option that some people are calling for, especially since he has recently said he wants to get back into management. I don't think he'd get us challenging for fourth, but he might at least bring some stability and decent football back to the club.
Andrew Keatley
196 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:57:59
Hugh Jenkins (145) - "Given our past history of stability for managers, the swift dispatch of, Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce, is, I feel, testament to this."

Not sure you're right. I felt like Martinez and Koeman could have gone earlier, and stuttered on for a while when the rot had clearly already set in. Allardyce's tenure was as dark as it's been in recent years; he was always a stop-gap, and was dispatched as soon as we had a pre-season to re-group. If Moshiri wants to get the majority of fans onside in one fell swoop then I think he should sack Silva immediately, and use the international break to get Unsworth into caretaker mode and root out the rest of the Silva brigade.

Jason Broome
197 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:58:22
Don't want no ex red running the club. There's enough quality out there to do things our way.

We need a manager with a strong philosophy and tough style of play. A respected bastard who is a winner and who will get this shower to believe in themselves.

Some would say we couldn't get him but with Brands, a new stadium on the horizon, excellent training facilities, a Premier League challenge, quality players, money to spend and a club to mould in his own image it might be a challenge that Diego Simeone (with Arteta his number 2) might be tempted by.

Lev Vellene
198 Posted 05/10/2019 at 18:59:02
Moshiri and Brands have decided that the way they want to go is to bring in younger players, not nearly 30 year olds. The problem with big name managers is that they will want to buy proven players, they're no longer used to building new, young teams, they want to buy for instant success.

And I seem to remember Wenger has stated several times that he's not interested in managing any other PL teams after Arsenal?

The much maligned Solskjaer is actually trying to do what SAF did, by building a new team with young players. With the support of the owners. It remains to see if they'll have the nerve to carry through with it, though.

Tony Twist
200 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:02:01
I will be surprised that the experienced contenders will want to work with Brands. I have little faith with Everton getting the right person in. It is scary to think that Big Sam was the only manager in recent times that deliver exactly what was expected!
Peter Jansson
201 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:02:03
I take Unsworth any day as a manager. He should have had the job in the first place.
Grant Rorrison
202 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:03:22
Peter 201. Oh absolutely. The double-header against Atalanta and Southampton should have sealed the deal.
John Pierce
203 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:04:03
Silva is an academic. Loves the theory, the detail and the science of coaching. His practical application shows he knows little of the art of management.

Wedded to a whiteboard, an app or the never ending plethora of coaching aids he shows no understanding of pragmatism, blending partnerships and lacks acumen in the game itself.

Like Martinez, and Koeman before him, we have hired a dud. That’s why I don’t prescribe to the shout we cannot sack another guy.

It will undoubtedly come down to paying a well decorated, perhaps past their best manager a huge sum to come and sort us out.

The salary will be eye watering and hard to justify but that what it will take to convince someone in that bracket.

We are basket case, but a basket case in the premier league were money and limelight can draw all but the very best.

So I don’t buy that Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger or Allegri won’t come. We simply haven’t given them the right number.

We have never installed a manager in our history with a record of those above. Time to cough up and mean it.

Rob Marsh
204 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:04:37
Jason # 197

Big managers tend to have a team around them that follows them. No club would ask a potential manager to sack his right hand man.

Daniel A Johnson
205 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:04:42
David Unsworth????????

Anyone remember the 4-1 drubbing by Soton? A performance so bad that Joe Royle had to come down and console Unsie on the touchline during the match.

The performance that got Farhad Moshiri shitting Sam Allardyce pounds in panic.

NO FUCKING CHANCE...……..

George Cumiskey
206 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:06:01
Jason @ 197 sounds good to me Arteta could also interpret, good shout but not with the idiots who run our club.
Ron Marr
207 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:06:15
Nothing wrong with ex-players. All the Everton managers who have won a trophy since WW2 have been former Everton players. Catterick, Kendall and Royle. Moshiri/Brands should pick the best available.
Clive Rogers
208 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:06:33
Silva’s problem is that he never learns. He keeps the same system and keeps going back to the same players time after time. He has to realise that Coleman has lost something, Sigurdsson is on his last legs, Delph and Shneiderlin is a poor combination and Calvert-Lewin is not a goal scorer.
Daniel A Johnson
209 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:07:26
If I was to pick a manager right now I would go for Sean Dyche, would get us organised and hard to beat. Plus he has a chance to prove himself with us. Good at working on a shoe string with hard working players. I'm sure he would weed out any players not playing for the shirt.

Right now I would take that for the next 2-3 years.

Anthony A Hughes
210 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:07:40
We need proven players not young potential might never will be's. There's an obsession in football that all young footballers must be better. Dont write off the the over 25 old boys.
Simon Smith
211 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:10:54
It really does seem that we have this same discussion about what manager we need every 18 months.
The only difference this time is the lack of the word charlatan!
Rob Marsh
212 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:12:04
If Silva goes now, the chances are we would be putting a caretaker in his place, the likes of Dyche aren't going to dump their clubs for us at this time.

Please don't mention the "Special One" unless you mention £400m along side his name to spend (or similar to him).

The next one will be a caretaker, take your pick?

Anthony A Hughes
214 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:14:05
The thing is we need to spend 400 million just to get anywhere near the top 4 not matter who's in charge
Rob Marsh
215 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:14:28
Daniel # 209

I'd swap Silva for Dyche here and now.

John Pierce
216 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:15:11
Caretaker - Hong Kong Phooey.
Pat Kelly
217 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:16:22
Just who is capable of sorting this mess out ? Moshiri knows nothing about football and is an absentee owner. Kenwright has had his day. No one on the Board, bar possibly, Brands, seems to have any football sense. If the DOF can't save the club now it's finished. Step up Brands your time has come.
Kevin Prytherch
218 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:16:44
Anthony 210 - over 25’s such as Schneiderlin, Delph, Sigurdsson and Keane?? Or ones such as Williams, Mirallas, etc...
Rob Marsh
219 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:17:30
Athony # 214

That's another debate altogether, but sadly you might be right.

I can only see about 7 or 8 I'd want to keep out of the entire playing staff.

Lenny Kingman
220 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:17:37
No new ground then. It's all so back to the future. Next.
Rob Marsh
221 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:19:36
John Pierce # 216

Caretaker - Daffy Duck!!!!

Brent Stephens
222 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:20:26
Not a single incident today got me out of my seat (well, standing only at away games, so nothing got me on my toes). Absolutely nothing. I'm just saddened by the lack of fast breaks from out of defence, the lack of guile, the unpredictable now and again. Turgid dross. Dross-laden turgidity.
Kristian Boyce
223 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:21:00
Silva was not Brands pick, he arrived a couple of days before Silva was hired. I would imagine Brands has someone lined up or someone in mind for the role.
Tony Hill
224 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:21:35
Having urged everyone yesterday to start backing the manager and to buck up generally, I should tell you that I'm starting to think that this time we may be fucked.

I don't think a new manager will solve anything at all. We have relegation written all over us after that game today; it was massively demoralising. Those players don't give a damn - with one or two exceptions. And that is very bad news.

It is indeed Aston Villa, the same chopping and changing of managers, the crap attitudes and, above all, the sense of a slide which isn't going to be arrested. Given the fixtures to come, this is a truly desperate time.

Rob Marsh
225 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:23:20
Brent # 222

Everything came from the wings, how many shots did we have centrally or cunning play throught the middle?

We are so easy to predict, everything is telegraphed.

Kevin Prytherch
226 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:23:42
We need the balls to come out with a statement like the following...

“We recognise that we have a strong and successful youth team that has not always provided a clear path to the first team. Therefore for the next 2-3 seasons we will aim to promote youth at the expense of some more senior pros. We appreciate the fans patience with this formula throughout the next couple of seasons when there will invariably by some low points as well as some high points. We aim to, in 3 seasons time, to have a dedicated, committed playing staff who have grown up together, witnessed the highs and come through the lows together. We ultimately believe this will put us in a better position than the shite we’re in now”

We then start to get shut of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, etc.

Bill Gall
227 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:23:49
Can not understand supporters not wanting Benitez because he managed Liverpool, he has manged successful teams and worked with Struggling teams on a fixed budget ( Newcastle ) and would be loving playing against the team who didn't want him. He owes Liverpool nothing and as a manager is only interested in the club that pays him, and I think he would like to be back in the premier.
Jerome Shields
228 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:24:55
Silva did himself no favours putting a team out that, producing a performance like that today.

Marking at set pieces was diabolical. Pickford had to save a shot from a unmarked player , nearly the same angle, in the first half. Pickford should be asking questions off his defence.

The distribution out of defence was slow and poor.

The midfield was that bad I wondered if Siggy was playing. Schierderlin was more a defensive player than a midfielder. The amount of loose ball Burnley recovered unchallenged in midfield, once their attack had broken down was embarrassing.

Coleman was clearly a yard of the pace, and the two late challenges where inevitable. Should have got a red card for the first one. I bet the ref thought the same when he looked at it a half time.

Both Coleman and Dyne got in crosses, but forwards didn't know to get to the near posts and where miles away from challenging the defender that did.

The organisation of the attack is non existent, playing on the wings, turning into trouble and no link up runnings into the box. Very little support play on the edge of the box, for Calvert Lewin to play one twos.
Iowbi was the only player who was trying to do or create anything in and around the box. Dread to think what the selection would have been, if Walcott was available.

Motivation to win non existent amongst most players. If Silva is naive to believe that this side is going to get a result against West Ham, he has already given up.

There are aleast four players, who should have been dropped prior to this game. A kick in the ass would be too good for them.

Finch Farm must be more useless than I thought.

Frank Crewe
229 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:25:39
Looks like Hodgson was right. Zaha could do better.
Tony Everan
230 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:27:44
Justin 120

DC-L always comes in for some stick but I thought he played a bit better than most of our lot. And as you say, there wasn't one decent dangerous cross in to him all game. His flick that let Sigurdsson in on goal was decent, but Sigurdsson messed it up with a very poor touch.

The quality of crossing and the final ball into the box was below non-league standard today. No quality balls in a t all from Seamus [who is only 90% of what he was pre-injury] and Digne had another off day. Iwobi and Richie, disappointingly against Burnley ,created very little

We are really missing the quality of Gomes and Bernard. The team looked impotent and needed their class on the pitch today.

Phil Greenough
231 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:29:00
Crystal Palace, fourth, Burnley fifth, you couldn't make it up.
Sam Hoare
232 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:29:46
Dark times. Much darker than I was expecting or hoping for this season.

I think Brands will want to give Silva every chance to turn it around (however unlikely it looks). I said before today that he’d get 3 matches and if we didn’t win at least one of them he’d be gone. So 2 left I reckon.

In terms of replacements there’s a few decent options though never such a thing as certainty with managers. Broadly speaking there are the:

‘experienced winners’: Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Allegri, Mancini.

‘Solid organisers’: Dyche, Wilder, Moyes, Hughton.

‘Next big things’: Nagelsmann, Gallardo, ten Haag, Spirito Santo, Arteta, Potter.

‘Wild cards’: Marcelino, Neville, Unsworth, Howe, Pochettino.

Some of those (Nagelsmann, Poch, Mourinho) are probably pretty unrealistic. Chris Wilder is bookies pick at the moment and I think he’d be good. I really like Graham Potter but can’t imagine he’d leave Brighton so soon. Benitez would seem a very sensible choice if you can look beyond the history. Very probably Unsworth would be in as caretaker to give Brands time to make the right choice.

Can’t believe we’re here again!

Anthony A Hughes
233 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:34:21
Kevin 218, there are players over 25 who don't play for Everton. I'm talking about football in general but point missed there.
Phil Smith
234 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:36:01
Sorry, Ray (68) but Rafa should never manage our club after the disrespect he showed us when he was at the shite!
Tony Everan
235 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:36:54
Sam I'd narrow it down further

Wenger or Benitez for me. Both successful and understand how to build a proper team better than almost anyone alive.

I think either would clear the place out and start again and do it properly , things are not right. I think there would be a wholesale culture change at the club and training ground with either of them two.

I think either would do a lot better with the current players at their disposal and would make 1 or 2 well bought essential additions.

Kevin Molloy
236 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:37:01
tricky one this Marco is clearly toast, but when, and who replaces him. Normally you would think Marcel would be in total charge, but Moshiri may be pissed off with him too given the dodgy recruitment this summer. I think alot depends on how Bill and Moshiri are getting on at the moment. Cos as sure as eggs is eggs Bill will be recommending Moyes until season end, just to steady the ship. I think Marcel may also go along with that, so long as he gets to make the permanent appointment in the summer. I think the chance of Benitez is remote, he's an awkward bugger for owners I just can't see mB being happy with that one, plus it would cost alot to buy him out of his contract, what's he one ten million a year?
Pat Kelly
237 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:37:23
Sam, I don't think Silva has it to turn it around in the long term, even if he wins a game or two in the next month. I'd opt for a solid organiser, as you call them. I don't think we'd attract an experienced winner and we can't risk a next big thing or a wild card.
Trevor Peers
238 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:38:14
Moshiri will keep Silva on until all the players are fit just in case he's a genius, we'll still be on 7 points deep into December before the real panic sets in.

What a shambles of a club we've become, we missed the boat back in the 1980's shame on Kenwright. Moshiri hasn't surrounded himself with the right people either, it all points to total failure much like Leeds and Aston Villa I fear we're going the same way.

Phil Smith
239 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:40:06
I'd be over the moon to see Arteta given a go, Sam but he could make things worse. Wenger is past it. We have a manager who is stuck in his ways, picking on reputation already. He's the last thing we need.
Michael Lynch
240 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:41:20
Next time out I'd drop Siggi and give Iwobi a roving role behind the attackers. Stick DCL up front with Kean to the right of him and Richarlison to the left, Gomes and Delph in midfield, the usual shite plus Mina in defence. I'd tell Digne to practice his crossing every day for the next two weeks, and I'd sack Silva and put Jodie Comer's dad in charge

Easy peasy.

Daniel A Johnson
241 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:42:20
Why Arteta ?

All he does is sit next to The one man pantomime Guardiola holding a clip board.

He’s done nothing at managerial level yet Dyche is in 4th and ridiculed.

Rob Marsh
242 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:42:35
Kevin # 236

I doubt Brands is going anywhere, he's just been promoted to the board of directors.

More probable is that Messrs Moshiri & Kenwright will stand well away from this disaster and leave it to Brands having both had their fingers burnt with previous hires.

Anthony A Hughes
243 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:43:17
That's called coaching Michael, something our esteemed incumbent seems incapable of.
Dave Abrahams
244 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:43:54
Most fans on here tonight and are very, very despondent, very sensible, what other way could we feel after watching Everton all season, playing the same players play the same system, which only Silva understands, using subs in the same way, like for like, making the same mistakes defending, taking ten passes to get in the opposition half and after eight games they look very poor, with little belief in themselves, worse, defeats don’t seem to bother them or affect them, appear lifeless and the manager lifeless with them offering no motivation at all.

Sometimes it’s sad to see a manager sacked, but I feel nothing for Silva because he hasn’t helped himself, just carried on in the same way since the season started, I don’t think he has much time left as a manager of the club and sadly I couldn’t care less, it’s patently obvious he is not good enough to manage Everton and I feel the club will be damaged further the longer he stays.

Kevin Molloy
245 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:44:39
Rob, you may be right. I must admit I would have concerns if we got ia young bloodless clone in MB's image. I'd rather go for experience now, I think we could be in big trouble
Brian Wilkinson
246 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:44:40
Any chance of a poll Ed’s on who the fans would have as the next Manager, you could have Silva as a fans backing as one option, wenger, Benetiz and whoever to make a further three up, then other for a different manager from the options above.

I will start the ball rolling with Benetez.

Joe McMahon
247 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:47:38
Rafa, Jose or Wenger with an understudy for me. Not Moyes or Unsworth.
Mike Gaynes
248 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:47:45
Superb analysis, Sam #232, and I hate you for it. I was halfway through compiling my own list and you blew me away with a much better one. So fine. I hit "delete" and yours stands. (Ah, I couldn't have matched it anyway.)

I absolutely despise the idea of changing managers now -- it just seems way too soon -- but the facts are staring us in the face and it feels like the decision is being forced upon us. We in the US are facing the same situation politically, with our bleached-blond clown essentially demanding impeachment with conduct so outrageous it no longer allows any other conclusion. Silva's sack now has the same sense of inevitability, given his clownish insistence that we continue to lose exactly the same way every time.

I would tend to agree that Benitez is the most sensible choice, because I honestly couldn't give a flying frijole what he said in 2007 when he was managing on the other side of the park. I think we can pay off the remainder of the £12 million he's making in China, where his Dalian club is muddling along mid-table with the season winding down. (And Dalian in November is no bargain -- I've been there.)

But at this point, anybody who knows how to coach set-piece defense would be good enough for me.

Ed Prytherch
249 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:47:53
It is delusional to suggest that Arteta would come here as #2 when he is currently #2 to the best in the world. If he comes it will be as manager. I would settle for an experienced caretaker to keep us out of the drop zone and start planning to bring him in for the next season
Phil Greenough
250 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:48:39
Has Silva realised he's out of his depth and wants to be sacked, so he can get his pay off? There can't be any other reason for his tactics.
Rob Marsh
251 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:50:11
Brian # 246

Expect your ball to roll back to you with a knife in it, there will be a few queueing up on here to be first.

Michael Lynch
252 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:52:44
Mike - it's true that the Chinese season ends in December, but Rafa is on a two and a half year contract. I think that means it would cost us around £25m just to buy the contract out, plus the same again in salary to him. That's a lot of money for a manager, though we seem to blow more than that on useless players very season.

Tony McNulty
253 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:55:22
Silva is hanging onto the outside ledge of the 18th floor by his fingernails. He has become, to cite Churchill’s doctor, “chief mourner at his own protracted funeral.”

I cannot believe our majority owner will allow this situation to persist. Everything is relative: the cost of getting rid is peanuts in comparison with the cost already spent on assembling the squad. The decision could be hours away.

A new manager (I haven’t a clue who it will be) has three tasks:

1. Ditch the zonal marking.
2. Practise set pieces at both ends.
3. Build a system to suit the talents of the available players, rather than trying to fit them to some predetermined scheme.

The new manager has a great opportunity: the squad is not without talent, and we are still in the Carabao Cup.

Rob Marsh
254 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:56:07
Micheal # 252

I'm not sure a "Contract" has the same significance in China as it does here, brown envelopes can be passed under the table easier there than here.

Tony Everan
255 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:56:33
Arteta wont come, Man City will give him/promise him the job to continue Pep's work.Think Pep will go this summer.

Agree we need a TW poll up with the runners and riders.

Over to you Michael.

Mike Gaynes
256 Posted 05/10/2019 at 19:57:58
Michael #252, you never have to pay off the full length of the contract in a situation like that. A partial buyout is always negotiated. And I think he'd come back to the Prem for less. Plus a manager right now is more important than any single player we could buy for that money.

He's got to be tired of managing Salomon Rondon.

Sam Hoare
257 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:00:06
Mike@248, Ha! Sorry to steal your moment.

I agree about having wanted Silva to get more time but increasingly getting that feeling of inevitability. The margins are small (if Iwobi had put away that chance!) but the fat lady is warming up.

Benitez feels a solid option (I care far more about our future than his presence l) though Brands has spoken about his need to ensure continuity of style so perhaps he’ll opt for a coach keener on pressing?

Arteta for me is an intriguing option but far too risky where we are. Our last 3 long(ish) term managers have all been ‘next bright young things’ and have all failed; so I find myself erring towards experience. I wonder if there’s a world in which Pochettino is managing us by Xmas?!

Rob Marsh
258 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:01:17
Strange place China, they built a whole brand new city based on Paris hoping people would move to it, no one did and now it stands empty.
Peter Cummings
259 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:01:42
Pair Unsworth with Moyes until the end of this disastrous season,bring in some players who would die for the shirt and we would see decent results but we must get rid of the overpaid and useless dross that currently hold the reins of power both on our hallowed turf and in the boardroom
Mike Gaynes
260 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:03:36
Same #257, no way Poch would consider us. When he gets sacked at Spurs, he'll go to the beach for a while and then look for a job on the Continent.

The Arteta idea to me is ridiculous. A manager who has never managed before? Sorry, but no matter how smart and talented Miggy may be, he'd be way, way too large a gamble.

Anthony Jones
261 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:04:04
They won't get shut of this guy until next year at least. We have had to spend a small fortune to get these failures in, so they will want to give Silva more time.

I think Boa Morte was a mistake. Unsworth as assistant manager might have made a positive difference, but obstinate managers are bad news when points aren't being accumulated, and so Silva is on borrowed time regardless.

Moyes, Benitez, and Mourinho: No f'ing way, thanks.

Tony Everan
262 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:04:18
I bet Rafa Benitez is sat there in a Chinese apartment, 5000 miles away from his family on Merseyside, looking at his Iphone X, waiting for it to buzz with an ''unknown caller''
Rob Marsh
263 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:04:32
Pochettino doubtful.

He be waiting to play musical chairs for one of the CL clubs.

Bill Watson
264 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:08:26
I posted @ 9 when I was in Burnley town centre having a sandwich and a drink and saw the team selection.

'Same old same old!
Martinez Mk 2 but with better players'.

I don't know why I bothered to walk over to the ground because the 90 odd minutes panned out exactly as many of us predicted.

Many of the players say he's a great coach who works one to one with them to improve their game. Maybe so but the matches are played in the real world and not at the FF bubble.

Silva is completely out of his depth in team selection, set up and substitutions. One point from four away games, against less than average sides, with just the one goal scored is simply unacceptable.

This season was supposed to be about challenging the top six or even the top four. Instead we are firmly in the bottom four and it could be worse by the close of play.

Another car crash of a season with every prospect of a relegation struggle. Silva must go NOW and not be given even more time to damage the club even further.

Mike Gaynes
265 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:08:49
Rob #258, I've actually been there. It's called Tianducheng, a suburb of our favorite city of Hangzhou. Actually it's only a mini-replica with Parisian characteristics, a commuter suburb built for maybe 10,000 people. It's not empty anymore -- it has filled up and grown -- but there are plenty of ghost cities and freeways around China that were built for expansion that hasn't come yet.
Daniel A Johnson
266 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:08:53
Mourinho would never happen but it would be fun hearing him call Brands out for not buying a striker or a central defender, would also be fun seeing him throw underperforming players under the bus in interviews
Rob Marsh
267 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:09:08
Tony # 262

He has to be sick of Egg Fu Young by now and would love to have a nice bowl of Scouse.

It's a possibility some on here should face.

Raymond Fox
268 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:11:58
So we get rid of the manager again, ok he's very average but what about our wonder players are they going to get off scot free again.
Whatever the system they should be able to show a little initiative, a little flair, ability, skill whatever.
The captain also gets himself sent off for good measure, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
The goals are a mile wide is it asking too much to get some shots on target for gods sake!
We started this season with a weaker team than the one that ended last season, we've lost Gamin which is bad luck but Brand's not covered himself in glory for me, I suppose he will be getting paid a kings ransom as well.
We are becoming a joke club, that is if we are not already one.

Peter Neilson
269 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:12:24
Silva’s now lost more than he’s won here, absolutely no reason to keep him as there is no evidence of a style of play coming through just one dull and predictable game after another. No club with any ambition would stick with a manger with his record.
Andy Crooks
270 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:13:34
I guess those who have made eloquent, well argued and sincere defences of Silva are not going to come into this thread to get dogs abuse. When things calm down I challenge anyone to defend this coach. He is terrifyingly out of his depth, looks beaten, bewildered and utterly inept.
It would be a mercy killing. Who next? Anyone bar Allardyce. I would not back us to beat any team in the first three divisions. He is Martinez MK 2.
Paul Hewitt
271 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:14:39
Michael@252. You can bet Rafa has a release clause if a Premier league club comes in for him.
Ray Jacques
272 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:15:38
Massive difference between coaching a team and being the main man ie manager. Remember Colin Harvey who could coach but couldn’t manage? Please stop the crap about Arteta, just because he played for us. Why not go and get Klopp’s assistant?

No former or current Everton employees wanted for the job either. The whole club needs a change of direction from top to bottom and get rid of the hangers on and deadwood.

Benitez or Mancini for me but that wont happen because the owners want yes men and lots of fans are obsessed with the RS above the success of our own team.

Peter Neilson
273 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:15:48
The way I feel tonight Gordon Lee will do but with a decent keeper.
Steve Ferns
274 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:17:49
Didn’t see the game. So can’t comment on it.

League placing, points total and 5 defeats from 8 games is unacceptable, particularly in light of the fact that 4 of those teams are not teams we should be losing too.

It’s still only 8 games and he can still turn things round. I expect him to be given time to do so and to deliver. If Sigurdsson played like he sounded on the radio (like he did in every other game this season) then Silva needs to take action and ditch him.

I bet Silva would rather we signed Haller than Kean and had we done so, I think we’d be much higher up the table.

Pat Kelly
275 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:17:51
Hello Rafa ?. Si This is Marcel Marcel Marceau ?. No, Brands Qué? Marcel Brands !... I'm sorry for your trouble You must miss your family ?... Not as much as Everton miss Wouldn't you like to see them again ?. What's it to you ? . I have them at Finch Farm What is this Farm place ? I'm sending Farhad's jet to pick you up.
Dave Abrahams
276 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:18:32
Raymond (268), you are right to have a go at the players, quite a few of them at that, but Raymond it is the managers job to motivate them or at least change them if they are not playing well, I think he has had ample time to do both, instead of which he has mostly carried on in the same way with the same uninspiring players.
David Greenwood
277 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:21:18
Sorry Steve,

There is no way he will turn this round.

Andy Crooks
278 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:22:19
Good post, Raymond. I don't think Seamus should have been sent off but I think it made no difference other than giving Silva an excuse. The players are a disgrace, though.
I guess as we speak, some of them are out enjoying an expensive meal with expensive wine. Meanwhile we, many of us earning shit pay are on here fretting.
Every one of the useless pack of c**ts, including the coach, should be embarrassed to show their faces. Defeat doesn't hurt them like it does us.
Steve Carse
279 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:23:59
I admit I can't think of any manager who would definitely improve our lot at the moment but I can't believe some of the names being bandied about -- Dyche (did anyone putting his name forward go to the game today?); Benitez - stuck in the past tactically and whose football and lack of success had even turned a fair percentage of Geordies against him by the end.
All I can suggest is Moshiri dials 666 and has a word with the fella currently using all his powers to give the RS the League trophy.
Steve Ferns
280 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:25:51
David, if he’s still here by Tuesday, he’s got until Christmas at least. This is the only proper window to sack a manager.

After this international break the games are non-stop until after the FA Cup 3rd round. Meaning he’s got plenty of time to turn things round.

He’s far too good a manager and coach not to do so.

Julian Exshaw
281 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:26:03
So many posts by those who know a lot more about the game than I do. I love Everton more than I love football, if that doesn't sound ridiculous. Even I, though, can see that this present bunch simply can't score. I went to see them play against Sion in July and thought then that they were severely lacking but thought it was down to early season. In most of the friendlies which followed we failed to score. The signs were there.
The reality has set in. We are slow, so painfully slow. The players don't seem to use their own initiative. It all looks ponderous and stale. No verve, no zeal, no urgency. Yeah, there were glimpses of it last week against City but today it was the same old rubbish. Can you coach pace or commitment, or desire? Where is the drive, the 'dogs of war' spirit?
The 'School of Science' I grew up hearing about has become a mausoleum haunted by the cries of desperation of those who long for better days. The 'dogs of war' have become poodles of mediocrity. Is it Silva's fault? He seems to be the easy victim to me. Somehow I think it goes deeper. Whoever is to blame, it can't go on.
George Cumiskey
282 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:26:14
God Steve when are you give up the ghost and admit he's out of his depth, we won't think less of you for it.
Mike Gaynes
283 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:26:41
"It’s still only 8 games and he can still turn things round."

"He’s far too good a manager and coach not to do so."

Steve, my friend, come over here and sit down. This is an intervention. You must have treatment for your addiction. We're all here for ya, we'll get you the best help. You'll be fine when he's gone, believe me.

Read through Sam's list at #232. It will help you detox.

Rob Marsh
284 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:26:53
Steve # 274

Steve, all he has done is play the same formations and mostly the same players while he's been in trouble and hoped for the best while looking bemused.

Had he of tried something different and put some energy into it he might of got some slack to work wtih.

Andy Crooks
285 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:27:14
Fair play to you Steve for coming on this thread and keeping faith in the coach. I respect that, but I think he is done. His time is over.
Anthony Murphy
286 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:29:54
Regardless of who would or would not take the Everton job, I find it truly unbelievable that any fan of Everton football club would not want a manager of the calibre of Mourinho. I am not advocating for him or anyone else here, just pointing out that given we have not won a trophy since 1995, and have in my opinion been a fucking joke for many years, we are in no position to turn our noses up at managers who know what winning looks like. Calls for the likes of Dyche and Unsworth, yet a big fat no to José. Jesus wept.
Peter Jansson
287 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:31:34
I cannot understand why some of you want Benitez? He has done absolutely nothing the last years to impress anyone.

He got relegated with Newcastle.

As the way I see it we definitely do not want another manager who got relegated recently.

So please stop talking about Benitez, he will change nothing.

Daniel A Johnson
288 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:32:14
Steve you think you are knowledgeable about all things football yet you come on here and write that, deluded mate you are 100% deluded
David Greenwood
289 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:32:49
Steve, I absolutely applaud your defence of the man and I love reading your posts, but it's okay to admit it.

Your man's toast. He's failed.

Let him go and get behind the next fella, whoever that maybe.

Dave Williams
290 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:33:01
Well said Andy. I felt depressed at hearing the under 18 s result so this one really made my day- not!!
I don’t like to see anyone lose their job but ultimately my loyalty is to the club not to any manager or player and if things are going badly I look to see who is responsible and what should be done to put it right.
Don’t anyone point to Gana and Zouma- they have been missed but not to the extent of placing us in the bottom four! With a different approach and team selection we could have been in the top six at this time.
Rob Marsh
291 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:35:19
Anthony # 286

He's no longer the "Special One", he looks more like the "Tired One", that flame that used to burn so bright is just a flicker now.

If he doesn't have a fortune to spend he's not interested and if the players aren't worshiping him he throws a tantrum.

Sean Kelly
292 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:35:36
I just looked at the table and am convinced unless he gone during this week we are fucked. Look at the teams up there. Sheffield Utd Palace fucking Burnley and a west ham team with noble. That’s how far we have fallen. Silva our and drain the swamp... deadwood on and off the pitch.
Christy Ring
293 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:35:38
Kevin @151 Looking at the 3 squads, it's staggering to think that Moyes had no money, Martinez a small bit, both under chairman Bill, who provided pittance, and Silva's squad is worth over £300m, and wouldn't hold a candle to the other two squads.
Looking at Silva, what are the positives, None, we've lost 4 in a row in the Premiership, and his game plan, if that's what you'd call it, hasn't changed, we're so pedestrian, would love to see a plan A, never mind B. Moshiri has to call time. I still back Arteta.
Andy Crooks
294 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:36:00
Steve, his record in the Premier league suggests he is not" far too good a manager". He has become your Duffy.
Definition from the OED
" Duffy"
Term used to describe a person who has a believe so deeply held that no evidence, however indisputable, will convince him that there is any possibility that he may be wrong.
Tom Bowers
295 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:36:43
We are all of the same opinion. He has changed nothing and just persists with the same system that does little to scare the opposition and bad performances against mediocre teams is a recipe for relegation.
They paid big money for Moise Kean and won't start him.
Sigurdson, (another big money buy) unless he scores is average and others such as Richarlison just don't cut it at the moment.
Others on the bench or in the ''reserves'' are not rated by the man Silva and so the rot continues.
Coleman as captain has let us down and to be honest is not a good leader.
It is glaringly obvious that the man Silva is out of his depth.
Paul Birmingham
296 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:36:53
Despondent times, and there won’t be any miracle sadly as the team belief and moral is shot.

It’s onlt EFC who’ve on paper got it together financially in terms of backing, and have spent vast riches and are by far worst off than any previous team..

If Marco Silva is thinking it’s almost there or will happen soon, it deffo won’t and he is deluded.

We are the easiest team in th3 league to play and it doesn’t take much to beat us. God only knows what happens Finch Farm. For me as much as I wanted Marco Silva to succeed, with out the basics in football, passion desire, work ethic, team work, coupled with class and belief, this is the most boring and arguably worst team, Ive seen.

Gordon Lee has some bad times, but the players on peanuts in comparison put in more of a shift than this lot.

Preseason at Wigan said it all, as did those nonsense 60 minute tournament games in a Germany.

It’s that bad I’m no longer embarrassed as the whole football world knows how Everton has become synonymous with mediocrity and lazy teams.

Now to finish my beers, and I look forward to all views on this thread. West Ham next, then the next match, 10 league games, in and in the crap house, we will be looking for a new manager, but I’d like to think Marcel, is scouting for one now.

Alas no one expects now and it’s hard to see who’d come in, but I’d take one if the German managers or Simione.

The rot has to stop as we look stuffed running on to the pitch and this is relegation form, but this is serious rot that must be stopped soon.

I’m past the ribbing of RS, all that counts now is the recovery plan and jeopardy management plan to keep Everton up.

Reality is we can’t score, are shipping soft goals every game.

That’s a serious problem for any football team.

Dave Williams
297 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:37:03
Steve- what is he trying to achieve by instructing his players to play slow, ponderous sideways and backwards football?
Tony Hill
298 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:38:00
Steve @280, he needed a performance today but the players don't want him. Damn them.

I don't think they want anybody who may require them to try too hard, for too long.

Michael Lynch
299 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:38:15
Hopefully it will be Brands who picks the next man, and I reckon he has a pretty short short-list already drawn up. Possibly had it in his locked drawer months ago. As others have said, he will only pick someone who he is confident can work with the system and players aready in place.

On the other hand, it's Moshiri's toy. If he decides he wants Mourinho, I doubt if Brands will get much say in it.

Paul Hughes
300 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:39:22
Well the only positive I can find is that “it’s the hope that kills you”. And we have no hope now this season. I don’t think, even with the incompetent Silva we’ll end up in the relegation battle and we’ve no chance of qualifying for Europe. So, cup-ties apart, the season is over.
On that basis, I’d keep Silva until the end of the season, just in case he actually does have some managerial ability and can turn it around.
However I am in the fortunate position to be living in Greater Manchester and won’t come across any RS on a day to day basis, so can probably take a more detached view.
Rob Marsh
301 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:40:55
If Moshiri picks the next one after picking the current one we'll know we have a Randy Lerner on our hands!

Oh Dear!!!

Tony Everan
302 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:41:33
It's over for Marco, the scales have tipped after today.

Any belief that things will improve has gone with that sterile display.

When that hope of improvement has been snuffed out it is time for the manager to be sacked.

Nobody wants instability, but we all want some hope and belief.

There is a window of opportunity to get a new man in fast to sort this malaise out with this 2 week break.

Over to you Farhad.

Andrew Ellams
303 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:41:34
Does everybody have faith in Brands to pick the right man? I really don't.
Michael Lynch
304 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:42:44
Andrew, rather Brands than Moshiri or Kenwright
Peter Jansson
305 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:43:02
If Moshiri is going to decide the next manager we are fu**ed.

Moshiri needs to realize that he is totally incapable of picking managers.

It has to be brands who decide the next manager, if not we will end up in the same situation again sometimes next season.

Colin Malone
306 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:46:53
Sigurdsson as a number 10 does not work and never will work. Gomes and Sigurdsson or Delph and Schneiderlin in midfield? No contest.

Instead of going square and backwards, Gomes and Gylfi are the only players at the club who have the talent to pick the runners up front, who are totally pissed off with the lack of guile from midfield.
Colin Glassar
307 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:50:50
I haven’t read any of the above comments but I imagine I agree with 90% of them.

This Everton team/manager has been able to do what the likes of Bingham/Walker/Smith/Martinez/Koeman etc... were unable to do ie they’ve absolutely destroyed my passion for this club that I’ve supported since I was five fucking years old!

I now follow us with the same amount of interest I show in let’s say, Kettering or Stockport Co. I know this may sound like heresy but to paraphrase the great Rhett Butler, frankly my dear, I don’t give a flying fuck!

My mental, and physical, health is far more important than this bunch of useless wankers. I honestly thought the Moshiri era was a new dawn but it’s just the same old shit we’ve been served for the last 30 odd years.

Fuck you Everton, you don’t deserve the vast majority of the fans you have. Rant over.

Steve Barr
308 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:51:09
Silva has been here for around 18 months now and overseen at least 50 games. I for one have not seen any real signs of improvement during that period.

Some may point to a so called "strong finish" to last season. I disagree. I flew over from the US to see a couple of those games; v Wolves at home - lost and v Burnley at home in the last game of the season, which we won.

Neither were good performances. I get to see every Everton game on the NBC app here and do not see any signs of development/improvement, at least over a relative sustained period. The odd decent performance; v Man U for example provided yet another ray of hope only to quickly fade away. You have to perform at that level every week.

I am not in favor of constant managerial changes but our last crop of charlatans have been abysmal and many on here predicted the outcome well ahead of their eventual sacking. Us fans do know best!

An earlier post listed many options to take over in the event Silva gets the Spanish Archer... but we must make the right choice this time!

Andrew Dempsey
309 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:53:41
I don’t think he’ll be sacked, sadly.
He’ll get four or so games to save his job. And maybe he will, with Gomes back alongside Delph, and Slider-bin on the bench.
But if he does turn it round, short-term, we’ll back in this situation soon enough with this guy in charge.
When the chips are down, with injuries etc, he plays it very safe, doesn’t come up with any new ideas to try and win games.
Today, a reaction was needed at half-time to try and win that game, two subs at least, to show the away support he means business, but no, it’s just mind-numbing garbage.
John Boswell
310 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:54:40
I sat amongst the home fans ( my brother in law has a S T and got me a ticket ) they commented that we were very patient, that we seemed to be playing for possession percentages and that this is a poor game. Half time came 0-0 and a general feeling that there may only be one goal in this game ( prophetic ) if any. Our Captain collected a second yellow and off he went. Our coach responded by hooking Siggy to send on Siddibe. The urgency level improved a little, but no more. Burnley scored from a corner, wow, Everton tried to respond but could not create sustained genuine pressure because their first touch was so poor throughout the game. Passes were misplaced regularly, there were just two moves of pace with crisp and accurate passing in the entire game and boys did we look dangerous during those moments. Great football that accounted for 1 minute of the 90.
The fans around me grew nervous, strangely, and wanted a second goal to seal the points. 6 minutes of added time, the home crowd went mad, why so long? The whistling began at 4 minutes and the tension mounted. We tried some more pressure as Burnley defended deeply but a lack of control sealed our fate. At the ginal whistle the crowd roared in relief more than jubilation, their players reacted as though they had just won a tight semi final and our blue boys trooped off dejectedley.
Poor energy, poor control of the ball, poor passing, poor first touch, I feel down tonight and we are languishing down at the foot of the league table.
Shameful!
Darren Hind
311 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:58:23
Some funny calls on here

Wenger ? he lost the plot years ago Arsenal fans were desperate to get rid.

Benitez ? showed his true worth at Newcastle where he didnt inherit world class players.

Moyes ? haha

Dyche - Yeah, you can just see the headlines. "School of science call in a crash bang wallop merchant".. . Embarrassing suggestion.

Despite being handed the poison Chalice of an injury ravaged team in free fall David Unsworth still managed to steer us away from relegation while gaining himself a better win percentage than all the jokers who were hired before and after him. He also had the old lady rocking which is going to be crucial. He also happens to be a winner.
I'll be surprised if he isn't given the gig. at least on a caretaker basis. I'll be even more surprised if the same experts don't get on his case immediately and blame him for the mess he is charged with getting us out of. . They have previous

Stan Schofield
312 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:00:40
I don't really know why I'm commenting, because I don't really know what to say. Apart from the fact that my red mates, who I've known for over 50 years, and I never argue about footie anymore, because there's nothing to argue about. In fact, if we did argue, it would be the reverse of the arguments of 50 years ago, when I argued we were better than them and they argued they were better than us. Now it would likely be sympathy (genuine, because they've openly be through some very disappointing times as well) and reassurance that we'll come good in the end.

That's how bad it is. We might come good in the end, but it's very difficult to see at the moment.

Paul Hewitt
313 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:01:12
Darren, that mean you would stick with Silva?. If not, who would you get?
Iain Latchford
314 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:01:13
Just on the way home from the game. Anyone who can defend Silva and his God awful tactics is beyond me.

Utter shite (again). Make change now or now or head into a relegation battle, if we're not in one already.

Jay Harris
315 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:03:42
Steve,
I sympathize with your view on Silva but it’s just not worked out and is destroying the club and his reputation.

IMO he is toast and if he isn’t he should be.

I wondered what your thoughts were on Marcelino, Ten Hag and Chris Wilder who would be my short listed three.

Rob Marsh
316 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:04:36
Darren # 311

If Dyche got us playing winning football of any kind I'd be joyous at seeing the crap we're playing now disappear.

Under him we certainly wouldn't be the prem's punchbag. Maybe you're being a bit tough on the guy.

Christy Ring
317 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:05:17
Steve, cannot understand how you can back him, you know your football, but how you can defend him, and in previous posts, playing Schneiderlin. He has lost 4 premiership games in a row, with the same formation, keeping Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson in the team, ' he's far too good a coach', and still changes nothing.

Andrew Keatley
318 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:06:34
Supporting this football club often feels like being in a relationship with a compulsive liar who has delusions of grandeur. With every new manager comes a promise of how things are going to change - how the mistakes of the past have been learned and we are going to find the happiness that we all crave. We’re in danger of becoming institutionalised, if we haven’t already, and hearing people on here defend Silva makes me sad. It makes me think that some fans are just so used to this footballing shit-show that we’ll tolerate it just rather than risk things getting worse.


Peter Thistle
319 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:06:44
Time to go, he has one tactic. 4-2-3-1 lose.
Joe McMahon
320 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:06:47
Darren, you may get your man as only Oxford have made an approach. Yes Wenger had lost it towards the end but some if us want someone in the hot seat who has actually achieved things at the highest level.

At the end of the day we are all desperate, as our club spirals downwards. Decades of Jack shit and Liverpool looking like its title year.

Everyone is pissed off Darren and we are all aloud to let off steam.

Mike Gaynes
321 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:07:26
Darren #311, "funny calls"?

Yours wins.

"David Unsworth still managed to steer us away from relegation while gaining himself a better win percentage than all the jokers who were hired before and after him."

He managed eight games in 2017. He lost five of them. He was totally, hopelessly out of his depth.

Can I have some of what you're smoking? There are some things I'd like to blot out of my memory too.

Ian Riley
322 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:10:10
We need a manager to recover the situation. Understands when a team low in confidence and goes back to basics. Funny how far we have come. Don't want that gastly man Sam or David in charge of our club. Can you you please understand we are in deep sticky stuff. The snobbery of choice of manager and our situation cannot be underestimated.

The owner wants a new ground to up our match day revenue. He has spent hundreds of millions to improve the team. Again a top champions league manager will cost treble what Silva is on with further millions on the team. The owner needs to appoint a manager to keep us in the league till the ground is built. I don't know if we can afford to pay a top manager?

Would David Moyes be a bad choice? I want hunger and desire back in the team from a manager who cares for the club like I do. Yes he left. So he went to United, not Colchester. He over achieved with the money spent and league placements. Champions league place, yes. Failure going back? No. Stability while the ground is developed.

Andrew Dempsey
323 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:11:09
Steve - Maybe, just maybe, Marco Silva isn’t a very good manager?
Have you considered that position?
Because it’s worth thinking about for a few minutes.
Don Alexander
324 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:12:05
To me, getting rid of Silva is a sticking plaster remedy to an obvious deep wound in need of major surgery. The "old-boy" staff at FF need to be eviscerated from the club. The boardroom needs to be eviscerated of Kenwright and everyone he appointed. Only then can Moshiri have a canvas on which his "project" can POSSIBLY be depicted.

The model for this is "drastic" for some to contemplate but SUCCESSFUL action is in very close proximity to Goodison Park.

Having repeatedly conquered Europe throughout the last few decades of the 20th century courtesy of their despised (by us alone) "boot-room" regime they realised aeons ago, unlike Kenwright, that those days were over.

The last time I checked (and I hate dwelling on their record) they've long since employed no ex-Red players at all in any capacity but mysteriously they show heart, skill and passion in abundance every time they take to the field of play.

I'm just amazed that relatively few Toffees seem unable to identify the rotten hulk still right in the heart of our club. Until it's gone we'll flounder on (if we're lucky) regardless of who's in the manager's office.

Ash Moore
325 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:13:28
Agree with Mr Gaynes. The Unsworth led team that got battered by the saints was the worst performance by an Everton team I've ever seen. I was convinced at that point we were going to get relegated.

That said, I'm starting to get that feeling again this season. We can't stop teams scoring, we can barely create a chance, our keeper always has a gaffe in him and we have a murderers row of fixtures coming up.

Seven points at this stage must have the alarm bells ringing. We are deep in the mire here, something has to change. Silvas unwillingness to change things up is baffling, and if he won't try something different then we need someone different. End of.

Over to you Marcel and Moshiri.

Trevor Peers
326 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:13:40
Take no notice of Steve he's taking the piss and why he keeps blaming Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson for the mess we're in God only knows, Silva is the manager if he's such a great coach why does he keep playing them ?
Darren Hind
327 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:16:10
Dont be a mug Mike.

He inherited a team in free fall, they were already out of Europe and you join the ranks of the fools want to count dead rubbers against him ?

He got us out of the shit. He has a 100% home record.

Your the stats man. You find me one of the multi million pound flops with a better points per game ratio where it counts in the EPL .

Joe McMahon

What a daft thing to say. "Nobody has come in for him" does that not suggest they know he is not available. I could list you 15-16 managers in the premier league nobody has come in for

Sean Kelly
328 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:21:42
I said earlier on the live forum here’s what’s going to finish me off. Everton are heading for the championship and the red shite for the premier league. That day is coming and so is many years of their gloating when it does. Only chance we have is Silva to go and a full clearout of the backkroom staff. Drain the swamp of deadwood on and off the field and that includes the board.
Kieran Kinsella
329 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:22:18
The rotten core is Keane, Schneid and Sig. They were all there when we lost in Atlanta, 0-4 at Utd, the 1-4 versus Soton and so on and obviously most of this season. Not saying they’re all shit but that trio together is a disaster. Is it too many weak minded people together? Maybe. Obviously Silva is a clown but they are the three stooges
Rob Marsh
330 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:23:18
Was it fair to expect unsworth to turn EFC around in 5 games with five wins.

Silvas has had 50 games to show his worth and look where we are. If Unsworth was offered the caretaker job but for five or so games, if I was him I wouldn't take, It's unfair to be judged over five games.

Joe McMahon
331 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:29:29
Darren, what actualy said was "Darren, you may get your man as only Oxford have made an approach"
Dave Williams
332 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:31:16
Mike and others- Unsy’s last match was the thrashing of West Ham which SAM tried to hijack as his own victory. He needed time to get used to the premiership and had a few bad results but overall he did ok.
He may not be the one but compared to a 70 year old Wenger, a 70 year old Royle, and a burnt out Mourinho he could be the better bet of the group,at least on a caretaker basis and possibly with Moyes alongside.
I don’t follow European football enough to be knowledgeable on possible successors but I know enough to think that Silva is done. I see no signs of him realising where things are going wrong and no signs of him getting the players to run through brick walls for him.
Can his supporters please tell me what he thinks he will achieve with his current midfield three and his current style of play?
It’s the away supporters I feel most sorry for- I had a text before from a guy travelling back to Swindon,given up half his weekend again for a miserable performance yet again. It cannot continue.
John Raftery
333 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:35:26
I think Silva has until the November international break to turn things around or show he is capable of doing so by delivering at least a couple of results and performances.

He can stop the rot by simplifying the way we play. At present everything the players try to do looks complicated and difficult. Dispensing with the notion that our players are in any way capable of passing of the ball in and around our own penalty area would be just the first step. The second would be to get the ball up to the front men in say two passes instead of half a dozen. The third would be to coach players to shoot as soon as they have sight of goal. The fourth would be to mark opponents at corner kicks and free kicks. None of this is rocket science.

A positive from today’s game was the performance of Yerry Mina. He read the game well, made several vital interceptions and used the ball positively. In the last few minutes he seemed to depart from the pass, pass, pass mantra by sending a few ‘Hail Mary’ balls up the field. By that stage of course it was too late with Moise Kean unable to win any aerial stuff.

A negative, but hardly a surprising one, was the performance of Sigurdsson. A player inherited from the previous regime was completely anonymous after his early free kick. In seeking to accommodate him in the formation Silva is virtually guaranteeing the slow build-up in attack which is at the root of our inability to create more than a small handful of chances per game.

Mike Doyle
334 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:36:20
Of all the suggestions, Pete Cummings at #259 is probably the most likely interim scenario.
My guess is that he’s got 2-3 games max to turn things around.
Certainly cannot see FM allowing us to remain in the bottom 3 for long without acting - and nor should he.
Eric Paul
335 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:37:08
Mike
Are you counting the West Ham win which alardarse tried to claim. Seriously I would like to see the first team play the same style of football the u23s play, with the never say die self belief they have in every game. With a togetherness we haven’t seen in the first team for a long time. Unsworth should have got the job before the fat sams and he should have it now before it’s too late. In my opinion
Danny Baily
336 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:38:27
Everton losing again? That's a paddling.

On a serious note, I would have sacked Silva ahead of the trip to Huddersfield last year.

Flirting with relegation is totally unacceptable.

Bill Gienapp
337 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:38:52
Didn't have the heart to read through 300+ comments... but we're now somehow WORSE off than we were after eight matches during Koeman's disastrous second season... and he at least could point to a murderous schedule and the added Europa League workload.

I desperately want Silva to figure things out, but I'm frankly at a loss at this point.

Dave Williams
338 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:39:25
John- agree re Siggy. Ever since he was signed a succession of managers have selected him despite him unbalancing the team. No one has known where to play him but they have all felt compelled to play him because he cost so much money.
As you say John he slows the team down and this season with his poor form it has been like playing with ten men ( with one of those ten being Morgan).
It is not therefore surprising that we are in the bottom four!
Bill Gall
339 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:40:32
The owner and board have to take a serious look at not only the position we are in, but also do they think that Silva can change it around by changing the tactics that every other manager and most of the supporters are aware of before the game even starts.

I have said it before the manager is supposed to have known the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and set the team up to to play against it. During today's game the commentator said the Burnley manager was playing to Evertons weakness, but Everton were not even playing as a team.

This was the managers fault he plays the same way every game, same tactics, same zonal marking that says try and stop us, or see if you can score, and unfortunately the other manager has studied the way Silva plays, and knows how to stop us and knows how to score against us.

I do not want Everton to become a managers merry go round, but consistent failure while playing the same way,is a sign of incompetence, and he should be relieved of his duties,

Koeman was fired with a record just as bad as Silva,s and with the same problem, as in some of the signings were not as good as we were expected to believe.

It is a long time since we had someone who would, like J.Moore, put his money were his mouth was, so Moshiri better get a grip of what is happening in this club and get knowledgeable football people looking after the premier league team and do not hesitate in firing people, who he pays large sums of money too, that are not only not performing to the standards required, but do not have the knowledge to change it around.

We have lost to teams whose managers seem to have their players playing to an organized system, with enthusiasm and energy that Everton, players do not seem to be able to compete with. ?

We are supposed to have the best training facilities at F.F. best medical people best fitness trainers yet we seem second best in speed and energy playing away from home that is also creeping into the home games.

I am 79 this weekend and started watching Everton in 1952 and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly but it is a while since I have seen anything this bad with the type of players we have bought.

Leicester won the league not so long ago and I believe it was the manager, who got the best out of the players he had, that done it. M.Silva does not appear to be capable of getting the best out of his players and that is another reason why he should go.


Jamie Crowley
340 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:42:03
Ah Christ I got through like 200 comments and just had to post, I'll read the rest of the posts later.

Please, please, just stop it with the Rafa shouts.

He's NOT coming to Everton. If he comes to Everton, and I swear to the Almighty on my Mum's soul I'll do this - I will fly to Liverpool, hammer 3 beers in about 2 minutes, strip naked, and run through your city center.

Swear to God, I'll do it.

Rafa ain't coming. The above would cost me thousands of dollars, and I swear to God I'll spend the money and do it.

Mikel Arteta, Nagelsmann, Marsh, some diamond from Brands

Just shut the freak up about Rafa. Delusional.

Daniel A Johnson
341 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:42:27
I'll repost again

David Unsworth????????

Anyone remember the 4-1 drubbing by Soton? A performance so bad that Joe Royle had to come down and console Unsie on the touchline during the match.

The performance that got Farhad Moshiri shitting Sam Allardyce pounds in panic.

Seriously Unsworth????

Paul Hewitt
342 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:42:49
Unsworth, Dyche, Moyes, Arteta, Howe. FFS. Do me a favour. If that's the level of manager people are saying. We are in trouble.
Tony Everan
343 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:44:49
John 333, agree

When Sigurdsson is selected in this formation we lose a midfielder and gain a no10 in no mans land who doesnt influence the game in any way.

The fact that we are light in the midfield then means we never have any composure or control of the game to play any accurate meaningful balls forward.

The fact that we are light in midfield means our wide players are always out of position to use theie pace and mount attacks on the opposition full backs.

Sticking with the same, completely ineffective system and formation is fatal flaw for Marco Silva

Jamie Crowley
344 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:45:08
My wife was very cordial about the Burnley victory. Now I have to accompany her to the grocery store.

Fucking Burnley. You gotta be fuckin' kidding me.

Cheers.

Daniel A Johnson
345 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:46:34
I keep hearing how Silva is this supposedly amazing coach, yet I don't see one player who has improved under him and we are in a constant downward trajectory.

But hey lets give him more time.

Mike Gaynes
346 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:47:08
Darren #327, yep, I'm a stats geek. Wins and losses are the most important stats I know. Two wins, one draw, five losses. Sorry, I don't know what a dead rubber is, but that was one dead team and remained so under Rhino. And he does not have a 100% record at Goodison... remember 1-5 Atalanta?

Rob #330, personally I didn't expect Unsworth to turn us around in 2017, and I'm not sure anyone did. He's a youth coach. Virtually no senior manager experience. I saw zero improvement in the club in those 8 games and was relieved when it was over. If that's unfair, so be it.

Eric and Dave, yep, that final win over Hammers was outstanding, and of course Fat Sam's conduct was despicable, but that's who Fat Sam is. But none of that makes Rhino a Prem manager.

Joe McCormick
347 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:49:15
We keep hearing how close Anthony Gordon and Morgan Feeney bare to the 1st team. Could they do any worse? By the way we send Hornby away to learn yet pay 20 million for Kean who has no experience of English football.
I love the international break 2 weeks of no Everton.
Pat Kelly
348 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:49:30
Jamie you've just made the best case there is for appointing Rafa.
Ash Moore
349 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:51:18
I remember that drubbing Daniel @ 341. I've seen some shite from us over the years but that truly was the worst performance I've ever seen.

Moshiri likes setting fire to money as much as the rest of us do. That terrible drubbing had him going cap in hand to Sam who negotiated a massive wedge to take us to safety.

Unsworth marked his own cards with his stint in charge. He'll have to succeed elsewhere to get the managers job here at Goodison and he refuses to leave and gain experience elsewhere.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

350 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:52:06
Steve Ferns, I admire your courage to stand by your man and post the comments you do, but in doing so, like Marco Silva, your own credibility is also on the line.

You admit you didn’t see the game and so can’t comment on it, but then you do just that by scapegoating Sigurdson and Sigurdson alone. That's unjust. Our problems do not lie with the selection or non-selection of one single player.

I'll offer you an example of what I mean from the corresponding fixture last season when we romped home 5-1 away to Burnley.

All season you kept repeating that Gana Gueye was a liability. That he was NOT a Marco Silva player. In the post-match thread that day you claimed the singular difference was the absence of said Gana Gueye (recovering from injury - he came on as sub in the last 15 minutes of the game) and claimed it was proof positive that HE was the element most responsible for the poor results in December following the loss at Analfield.

Once again, a very unjust claim. I wasn't alone in pointing out to you that Gueye was also absent in the previous game at home to Spurs in which we got thumped 6-2 as the visitors run riot against our porous midfield.

You continued to belittle Gana Gueye's contribution for pretty much the entire season, even offering to put up photo evidence from games as 'proof' of the 'indisciplined positioning' you accused him of. I wasn't alone in repeatedly challenging your claims, rather recognizing how vital he was in how Silva wanted Everton to play. This was also recognized by his fellow professionals when both he and Digne shared the players' player of the year award at the end of the season.

Bizarrely, given your unabated criticism of Gueye, this very season you recently labelled Gana as one of many players Silva 'improved', also acknowledging he hasn't been adequately replaced.

Now like you Steve, I know Silva from his work in Portugal where he demonstrated he can get results and performances from his teams. But unlike you, at the time he was being recruited, I expressed my concerns (as did many others) over his record in the PL and in particular two aspects of his tenures at both Hull and Watford:

1) the lengthy hot and cold spells of winning and losing and showing little capability in halting the latter

2) his defensive record and goals conceded, particularly from dead ball situations

Your claims in this thread, that:

"It’s still only 8 games and he can still turn things around..."

"I bet Silva would rather we signed Haller than Kean and had we done so, I think we’d be much higher up the table..."

"He’s far too good a manager and coach not to [turn things around]..."

...are, IMO Steve, based more on wishful thinking on your part in hoping beyond hope that your unrelenting claims about Silva will be realised and that you will be proven right.

The overwhelming evidence this season is to the contrary.

Everton, for the opposition, is an easy play: keep your shape, do the basics right, put the ball in the right areas from dead ball situations around their penalty area and you will win. Get the first goal, and you certainly won't lose.

Teams are not having to play at a high level, skillwise, tactically, intensity, to beat us.

And that failing befalls to one man in particular: Marco Silva.

Mike Gaynes
351 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:52:21
Jamie #340, that alone would make the whole season worthwhile.
Brian Wilkinson
352 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:52:43
You’re spot on there about the dead rubber games, said so myself in previous posts.

Had we kept Ron until after the Europa games, then gave Unsworth the job, then he may well have picked up a better win rate.

People are asking for some of the youngsters a chance, Unsworth did that in the dead rubber games, let’s not forget 3 of his first 4 games were away games.

Yes we were poor against Southampton, but played well against West Ham, but he gave a lot of the kids a run out in the dead rubber Europa games, to get valuable first team action.

A bit unfair to judge the guy on those Europa games, and one bad performance at Southampton.

Now I am not calling for Unsworth to take charge, I just think we panicked too early and brought Sam in, without Unsworth getting a bit more time, to work with the players he had been given from our previous managers.

Like I say, we gave Unsworth the job 3 games too early and not long enough afterwards.

Paul Tran
353 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:53:02
There appears to be no reason to keep Silva other than the view that we don't want to keep sacking managers.

Every manager we recruit is a gamble, none of which would be a bigger gamble than keeping Silva.

He must go. Sooner the better.

Darren Hind
354 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:54:22
I think EVERY Evertonian remembers the Southampton hammering.

Most Evertonians will know that our entire defence was decimated through injury and that even the ones who played were carrying injuries. Those who didnt know it at the time would have read Keanes account recently. He himself played with a horrific injury Sadly some havent got a clue.

I also think most Evertonians would know Royle didnt have to come down at all. He couldnt change anything, but he was Rhino's assistant and clearly knew the circumstances and spoke to him as he did in all their matches together. . . I say most Evertonians, but there will always be the odd one

Eric Paul
355 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:55:16
Jamie @340
3 beers in 2 minutes and run around bollocko do you think anyone would notice amongst the stag do’s doing the same
Tony Hill
356 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:55:47
That feller, Marsch, looks like he might be interesting since we're in the business of throwing names around. Aged 45 and I suspect he's fearless. And he took it to the RS.

We're so bad, and our situation is so desperate, that if we're going to change the manager we need to go for someone who will at least try to turn things completely upside down and bring us out of our 30-50 year coma. Marsch may be deranged enough to give it a serious go.

Steve Ferns
357 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:57:47
Brands will select the next manager. Brands will also all but decide if silva is given more time. I don’t know how anyone can profess to know more than Brands about what’s going on at Finch Farm unless you’re there yourself. If Brands is standing by Silva, then you have to accept that there is no motivational issues and his coaching is not an issue.

As for who Brands chooses. Definitely not Benitez, definitely not Mourinho. If it’s unsworth for a spell then that’s because Brands has worked closely with him and has confidence he can get more out of the players than silva right now.

Long term, the next manager will be someone just like silva. You know this for sure because Brands told us so on his first interview. The system and the team will be the same, just the head coach will change. So, if you want a change then bear this in mind and don’t be expecting something radically different.

It’s not fifa on the PlayStation. We’re not swapping out a player for a new player who is better at fifa and will make all the players better instantly.

Jason Lloyd
358 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:57:55
Don Alexander 324, this is my view 100%.

This explains why things have been worse with all managers post Moyes with funds from Moshiri.

The one constant is Kenwright.

I had a friend who worked at the club who said it's not run well, more like a medieval kingdom with King Kenwright than a professional business operation.

I am turning my back on the club and will not come back until he's gone.

He has taken the joy out of following the club I love.

Pat Kelly
359 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:58:46
Moshiri may not know much about football but he knows a business in trouble when he sees it. When Everton were in danger of relegation with Koeman he paid millions to get Allardyce to keep them up. The improved finishing position, from where Allardyce started, paid his fee. Moshiri will do what has to be done when he judges it's necessary. Relegation would be a financial disaster for Moshiri.
Paul Hewitt
360 Posted 05/10/2019 at 21:59:41
Anyone backing Silva, must be mad.
John Davies
361 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:05:51
Unsworth for the gig? Please people - stop it. I'm nervous enough as it is.
Jerome Shields
362 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:09:11
Don#324.

I totally agree with your opinion. What I seen today was a side that was not motivated or coached prior to this match.

Fundamental errors of not getting in front of the man appeared all over the pitch. Everton where just not fit enough. Burnley where a lot fitter. There was no pressure on the ball anywhere on the pitch by Everton. Good players where playing the ball as they had been coached from schoolboys days and no-one was there to receive the ball, they where way behind the intercepting defender.

Burnley did not 'set up shop ' they where allowed to p!ay as they liked and even where given second changeable , it didn't work out. The Burnley runner to the Everton back post was unmarked throughout the game. Burnley could have had a tea break, they had it that easy. They are not even a good team. Only Delph and Iowbi put a effort in

Whatever is happening at Finch Farm is certainly nothing like what is required for a team preparing to play a game in the Premier League.

Either Silva as given up on them or they have given up on him. Any Manager coming in would only be a sticking plaster, as you say, if nothing is done to sort out Finch Farm and the hierarchy that it supporting it. .

Darren Hind
363 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:09:56
Mike you are embarrasing yourself.

I'd clearly disgarded the dead rubbers and was referring to the EPL. You are now snatching at straws.

Let me remind you; The damage was already done in the Europa cup before Unsworth. We were fighting relegation so the EPL was the only thing that mattered. Dead rubbers didnt.

Unsworth took over from Martinez and had the old lady bouncing within minutes. . it had been a morgue all season.
He also took over from Koeman and did exactly the same. . The morgue saw life and the place was rocking. His team then twatted West Ham too - Again the place was rocking

100% home record, a rocking old lady and a feast of goals.
Twist and turn all you want with your worthless stats. . those facts alone blow them out of the park.

Btw Mike. I`m still waiting for you to come back with the name of the Everton manager with better points per game ratio than Unsworth. Those a re stats I WOULD like to see

Ray Robinson
364 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:10:56
I was at the game today - in with the Burnley fans. I was never in danger of blowing my cover as we could have played all day and not scored. That's my biggest criticism of Silva - for the first time in ages we've got some speedy players but we're not set up to exploit them by releasing accurate first time forward balls. I have to say that is one of the most anaemic performances that I've seen in a long time. Toothless. For what it's worth, only Mina played well in my opinion. Delph tried hard but the rest were anonymous. So depressing.
Ed Prytherch
365 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:11:42
Silva has lost the team. They don't believe in him. We need someone who will command the respect of the players. They stopped playing for Martinez when they figured that he had his head up his arse. Same with Silva. Koeman had a great chance but he turned out to be a lazy fucker.
Jason Lloyd
366 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:12:44
Yes Jerome 362, the Board should regard this as gross negligence on their part for not being able operate the football side of the business well enough over the last 4-5 years.
Daniel A Johnson
367 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:13:11
Darren Hind do me a massive favour please mate please vanish up your own Sardonic arse hole

The forums would be a nicer place if you did

Andrew Grey
368 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:13:17
We had a great finish to last season and things were looking rosy.

Luis Boa Morte arrived as assistant in June this year, could he be part of the problem? I mean could it have made this much difference?

I think it's time for Eddie Howe to have a go, if he wants to!

Mike Gaynes
369 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:13:27
Well, Steve, if Brands does stand by Silva, at least he'll know that supporter sentiment isn't 100% against him!
Peter Laing
370 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:14:59
For those still having doubts about dismissing Silva, ask yourself this one question - would Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea or Man City tolerate such bullshit and give him more time to turn it around ? Only at Everton would the supporters be subject to such humiliation with such little action from the board.
Ernie Baywood
371 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:15:30
I could support a manager who is losing games. I've done it most of my life.

But this fella doesn't have a clue. Even if we were suddenly to go on a winning streak, what would make it worth keeping him?

- Pretty clear there's no work on set pieces - our clear Achilles heel.
- Keeps picking Schneiderlin when our build up is so slow
- Insists on playing out through Mina and Keane - two of the worst passers of a ball at the club
- Never changes tactics - despite them not working
- Subs are robotic. Load up on attackers if we're losing, load up on defenders if we're winning.
- Can't get the team up for games

What's the point of him? The saddest bit about this is that I'm back in the position of wanting almost anyone else. And that's not NSNO.

David Thomas
372 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:19:40
The main people at the club need to sit down over the next fortnight and plan where this club is going. I’ve been to Turf Moor today and that unfortunately is a team going nowhere. They are devoid of ideas and it’s quite clear the manager is out of his depth.

The last thing we need is any stupid moves like bringing Unsworth back in.

The club and particularly Brands if he is as good as everyone keeps telling me should have a list of managers to sound out now about taking over the role.

This is the time Brands will really show us if he is the driving force that us long suffering fans can get behind or whether he was another false dawn.

Joe McMahon
373 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:19:46
Ray, I was also in with the Burnley fans, I would have blown my cover had it not been for the neanderthal sat behind me shouting vitriol all the way through the match. I thought Delph, Mina and iwobi tried. I really would like to see more if Kean.
Rob Halligan
374 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:20:52
I'll say one thing, and one thing only. When the away support turns against the manager, then it's time to go. It wasn't the Burnley fans singing "you're getting sacked in the morning", it was the Everton fans. FFS, today was worse than Sheff Utd, and I never thought we would be worse than that game!!

Steve Ferns
375 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:21:22
Mike, Brands isn’t out to win popularity contests. He’s out to get the job done. The mob is nearly always wrong. They get het up and make rash judgements. They don’t look at things rationally. Brands is cool and calculated and he will make a sensible decision and recommendation. If that’s to get rid of silva, expect another silva, who others will soon be calling Martinez III and wanting rid at the first sign of trouble.
Darren Hind
376 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:22:56
'Kinell Rob. I didnt realise it was the Evertonians singing that. . He's finished
Paul Tran
377 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:24:02
I'm not playing FIFA on a PlayStation, Steve.

I was lukewarm about Silva. A streaky manager whose poor streaks were longer than the good ones. I thought he might fare better with better players and the relatively stable environment at Everton.

We don't score goals, we ship them at set pieces, just like his previous teams. There's no pattern of play that suggests the good times are coming. The team is brittle, lacking nous, imagination and energy.

I ran a course in Burnley this week. I know the group well. One guy said straight away he thought Silva had lost the players. None of them could believe how slow and dull we are. They can't understand why Kean is on the bench.

I don't have a PlayStation I don't pore over statistics. I know very little about European football & it's managers.

I have got eyes. Eyes that can see a team devoid of spirit, energy and creativity. A team that doesn't come from behind. A team that went missing for two months last season. A team that has an appalling points and goals total considering our starting fixtures. And this in a team with good players.

Teams often resemble their managers. Our team is dull, with no adventure, no inagination, little conviction, and the personality of a stick insect in regression therapy.

My eyes tell me his time is up.

Rob Halligan
378 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:24:47
Fraid so Darren. Enough is enough.
Jerome Shields
379 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:25:56
Jason#366

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that it has been a lot longer than three years.

Tony Hill
380 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:26:00
Gosh, Rob @374, I heard that on the stream and assumed it was Burnley, of course. As you say, that's very telling. I assume the fans were equally annoyed with the players?
Kieran Kinsella
381 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:27:21
Steve

Your comment on implies that Brands picks the tactics, team and formation and Silva simply trains the players. I don’t believe that but if it’s it true then he can do one too

Ray Robinson
382 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:27:39
Joe #373, might have been the same moron behind me in the James Hargreave stand!
Paul Saleh
383 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:29:05
The players are utter shit, they hide behind the manager, can’t do anything. The manager won’t drop them so they think they can get away with it. He won’t change anything, hasn’t got any balls.

So we are stuck with mercenaries who bleed us dry and give fuck all back in return. Silva hasn't got a hope with this show of selfish bastards.

Joe McMahon
384 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:29:49
Ray you could be onto something, infact it may have been me briefly talking to you before kick off.
Rob Halligan
385 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:33:06
Us away fans have been very patient over the years. I can only ever remember three games when the away fans have really turned against the team, and two of those have been this season, Bournemouth and today. The other game being Dynamo Bucharest away in the Europa league.
Kieran Kinsella
386 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:33:22
The traveling Evertonians are the bravest and most long suffering of us. God bless them
David Greenwood
387 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:33:41
If I'm reading you're posts right Steve (hiya Marco, hiya pal), you seem to be advocating that the only reason not to bin Marco is because Brands will just appoint the same again so there's no point in changing.

I don't see it. Brands is about the only hope we have at the moment. He's not daft and can see the same as the rest of us that whatever Marco is doing isn't and will never work.

Marco is toast Steve, get over it.

andy mcguffog
388 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:34:01
People are being very cruel to Steve Ferns. His punditry skills are at least on a par with Silva's coaching skills.
Kieran Kinsella
389 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:34:44
Rob

I was in Bucharest after that game and never have I suffered such ridicule.

Paul Birmingham
390 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:35:16
It’s a business and football management wise and coaching including all coaching staff previous and acquired by Marco Silva, the clubs fortunes have plummeted.

It’s a business and I'm sure soon these so called decent sponsorship deals will be shut and they’ll opt for an early termination at cost, sooner than later.

This is not football it’s fekkn weekly and seasonal humiliation. I’m not blaming Marco Silva at all for failings, that were terrible, before his reign in charge, but the facts of his reign in charge, are now more than enough, to show, that it’s a farce.

The Carry on Films, were great for a laugh, but sadly Everton FC, is on par, in the wrong way, of the way it is, now a ghost of a far distant successful past.

It’s not a case of cruel to be kind, it’s a case of out classed and there’s big questions about the whole coaching system, at Everton starting at Finch Farm.

I can’t get the lack of belief, guts and spine, at this time, there’s no pride and no care, and this Everton, is fast loosing its soul.

As Einstein said, and has been quoted and referenced often...

But now EFC will sink with out trace, or struggle to survive.?

The recovery will happen but with a fresh ethos, code, structure and management.

Marco Silva, I wanted you to succeed, but alas this has not happened. No where near and the club, has to act at the best interest of the club.

Two weeks to the next game, I sense, 10 games, at most before any board decision, if we carry on this poor form, but at this rate we face another rotten season,over almost before the autumn, started.

Sounds familiar?

I

Matt Muzi
391 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:35:18
Didn't we interview Pelligrini at the same time as Silva? If we did I hope the board make a better decision with Silva's replacement!
Ed Prytherch
392 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:35:19
Mina, Delph and Iwobi did indeed make a good effort today and the thing that they have in common is that they have played very few games for Silva and they have not yet given up on him.

I watched an interview with Ed Rensi yesterday, the guy who started out at the bottom with McDonalds and rose to become president and CEO. His advice was to always try to get your boss promoted. Everton's players look like they are trying to get their boss fired.

Ray Robinson
393 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:35:37
Don't think so Joe. My Burnley mate got me the ticket so all the guys I was chatting to before the game were Claret fans (I think) - all sound guys!
Ash Moore
394 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:35:45
I don't see Moshiri keeping Silva on Brands say so. In fact if Brands is still urging patience and time I expect we'll be looking for a new manager AND director of football imminently.

Sorry Steve F, you've been wrong about so much that I'm now pretty much inclined to believe the opposite of everything you assert on here. I note you neglected to reply to any of the well made points our Brazilian correspondent directed at you. Instead you just returned to form asserting things that you have absolutely zero proof or evidence for. Give it a rest lad. When you're in a hole just stop digging.

Kieran Kinsella
395 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:36:28
I don’t want to turn this into a bash Steve Ferns site. I disagree with him but he’s entitled to his views.
Rob Halligan
396 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:36:41
Sorry, it wasn't the Europe league. Was it the EUFA cup back in 2005? Whatever it was, the team took a right grilling following that pathetic performance against dynamo Bucharest.
Amit Vithlani
397 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:38:18
This side is in freefall.

We cannot continue with 4-2-3-1. We cannot continue with Schneiderlin and Gylfi in the same team. Sidibe must start instead of Coleman even after the latter's ban ends. We must pick a front 3 on a consistent basis so they develop an understanding. Stop the random chop and changes.

If Silva is booted out (and I don't think he will be, unless we are bottom 5 come January and out of both cups), Unsy would be my pick...**puts on tin helmet**.

Unsy has shown before with selections that he was prepared to take risks, drop favourites and change formation.

Yes, his record was not a ringing endorsement. But he had 8 games managing a squad was so pathetic it took Allardyce's anti-football to secure us 49 points.

Unsworth's reign saw us score goals. His problem was a woeful back 4. Martina at LB, Williams/ageing Jags at CB. An injured Keane. Kenny deputising at FB. Mirallas and Lennon started against Southampton. Klassen and Sandro played against Atalanta where Williams lost his head. Oumar Niasse was the match saving hero against Watford.

Allardyce set up his anti football low block and, for a period on January, we were so woeful I did think we would be relegated. To his credit results turned around but towards the season's end we petered out again.

This squad is miles better than it was in 2017/2018 and is clearly underperforming.

Unsy will do better with this team than he did before and, in my book, do better with this young squad than Silva.

He will not however get another go as I think Moshiri will stick by Silva.

Just a hunch.

David Thomas
398 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:40:09
Rob, 100% right. There was loads around me today singing your getting sacked in the morning as he walked across the pitch. The away fans turned in unison today on Silva and its when now and not if he goes.
Bill Watson
399 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:40:29
I liken this to some sort of mental abuse.

The side puts in another abject performance, the manager says sorry but is incapable of changing his ways and carries on as before. The players are trotted out to say they can't wait for the next match so they can put things right and show us how much they really love us but, in reality, they couldn't give a toss.

We believe them and, over the following week, build up our hopes that they really mean it only to suffer another kicking come the weekend.

I really do feel mentally trashed week in, week out.

The only real remedy is to get rid of the perpetrator, in this instance, one Marcel Silva.

Hugh Jenkins
400 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:42:29
As I have said elsewhere - Evertons tenure in the EPL is like "Death by a thousand cuts". Something needs to happen soon, as I believe we are at cut 998.
Syd Mavo
401 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:44:10
Why am I even arsed anymore? Supporting Everton is a bit like voting Labour, I do it because I was brought up that way and know no different,

Fuck me! Watching this shite? I think I would prefer to follow Opus Dei and have a crown of thorns taut tight around my bollox than watch this shite every week!

The results though are both the same, painful and nut numbing and forever life-changing. Watching Everton for 50 years has brought nothing but unimaginable pain, and like addicts we come back for more.

I am sick of the bollocks and hope that we are fed every season, I’ve had enough of watching so-called professionals unable to perform the basics that any kid playing in the street can do with their eyes closed, sick of con men and pan handlers running the club impersonating businessmen.

Had enough of being fed shite: “I ya know yer history” — the myth that is Everton! All on DVD, no doubt.

The perennial conning of the fans, bidding for players we have no chance of ever getting, selling our best players at the drop of a hat — in fact, the whole amateur approach to everything we do or touch.

We are now more geared up to handing out food to the homeless or looking after the mentally ill — instead of producing entertaining football. Maybe after today's performance EITC should set up a suicide hot line for all of us who have given up hope?

No doubt another Everton first, in fact... we could stick that on the timeline wrapped around Goodison Park.

Sam Hoare
402 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:44:42
Adi Hutter is another interesting option. Think he was named best manager in Germany last year after his first year with Frankfurt. Did very well in both Austria and Switzerland before that.

Could be interesting for Brands as he has a similar pressing style to Silva; as Steve F alluded to Brands is on record as saying he will maintain a continuity of style.

Hutter likes to play 3 at the back though which may not suit our squad currently.

John Reynolds
403 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:46:07
Manager swap - Poch for Silva. Everyone happy.
Gavin Johnson
404 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:47:33
I've seen enough now. Silva has to go. Give the job to Unsworth until the end of the season. Winning the double with the U 23s shows he has a talent as a coach and we know that while Brands is at the club the club is likely to appoint young coaches similar to Silva. Unsworth given another chance would also put to bed the boring analysis and stats of his last interim appointment on TW.

If Unsworth falls on his arse put him back with the U 23s and go all out for Nagelsmann and pay him mega bucks as he's the best young coach in world football IMO.

Rob Marsh
405 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:48:21
Jamie Crowley # 340

There's a very reasonable chance that both yourself and our Spanish friend from the other side will soon be back in the City of Liverpool at the same time.

And as the Spanish say, one of you will be "Desnudo" and attracting the attention of the local constabulary, the other will be pulling a blue shirt over his plump jowels for the first time with a smile on his face.

Paul Hewitt
406 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:48:33
Benitez for Silva. Then I'm happy.
Ian Lloyd
407 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:49:19
I have to laugh when people say wenger is finished etc etc - the guy got arsenal
Finishing in the top 4 (at the very worst)every year for 20
Years ffs ! What the fook have we done in the league for the last 20 years ?!?
And to say arsenal fans wanted rid of him - ungrateful b#%%rds ! Look where sacking wenger got them!! Unai Emery ?!! Hahaha id give my right arm to see what they have over the last 20 years ! Proper manager wenger - not like the dross we have had !
Unbelievable some people’s views!
Clive Rogers
408 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:51:06
We could be the first club to bankrupt a billionaire. I bet Moshiri wishes he had never met Kenwright. He was probably conned by him. What a shocking mess.
Kristian Boyce
409 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:55:05
I watched the game on NBC today and even the commentators pretty said that he was done. Throughout the game they mentioned that this was potentially his last game, even during the opening few minutes. When the media openly speculate like that, you know you’re pretty much done.
Paul Hewitt
410 Posted 05/10/2019 at 22:58:50
Clive@408. I can see Moshiri saying, sod this, and walking. It really hasn't worked out for him. Cut his losses and run.
Rob Marsh
412 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:07:46
The odds on Silva going have just dropped to 8/11 from 3/1.
Adrian evans
413 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:08:41
Take a look at Famalcao Portugues Premier League.
Sousa their new manager,was our No2.Silva's No 2 for ever.
They are newly promoted, he been there a few weeks.
They are top of the League,sitting above Benfica,Porto,Sporting ect ect.
Silva, No 1 Sousa No2 in all jobs.
Sousa leaves,Silva we 2 points above relagation Sousa looking at winning the league.
Was it Sousa the brains,the know how all along.
Silva looks lost, dejected on the touchline.
We been had over,its Sousa who was the coach,the know how.
It don't lie,take at look at Sousa, Portugues League.

Silva has to go now.

Who comes in.???

Me,who ever aint going to win the league,probably not get in top sux.
Moyes ??
Who ever is going to need weeks,games,we are going to lose games while a new manager sorts the team out.
Difficult,Silva stays keepscus up.

Then sack him,its his mess but he wont get us into champions league, qin league,FA Cup.
It was Sousa all.along.

David Nelson
414 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:09:06
He's had it Rob...end of.
Kieran Kinsella
415 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:11:27
Ian 407

I heard Dixon and Adams both say Wenger was not a training ground tracksuit coach or in Adams case not a coach at all. If anything it sounds like his role was more akin to Marcel Brands other than picking the team. If Brands stays that wouldn’t seem to fit our model

Hugh Jenkins
416 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:14:00
Clive 408 - Paul 410 - I still believe that Moshri is Usmanov's "placeman", and that things have not really started to happen for Everton - yet.

Don't forget - Moshri had his "shares" in Arsenal as a "gift" from Usmanov. Moshri then sold his shares in Arsenal to buy shares in Everton.

Later, Usmanov finally sold his shares in Arsenal - but not before he agreed via his company "USM", to "sponsor" the Everton training ground as "USM Finch Farm".

I honestly believe that there is a lot more to come in this story - but I also believe that, to paraphrase Churchill, for Silva, "This may not be the end of the beginning, but it could be the beginning of the end.".

Tony McNulty
417 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:16:12
Regarding the reaction of the away support today.

I live near Pinner in Middlesex and it is very well served with charity shops. I picked up Crouch's book for 99p last month (I know, I know, but he's quite self- deprecating, fairly amusing, and far from the worst of them).

He pointed out that some teams play better away and added: "Away supporters are different. You don’t travel all that way to boo your own team."

The comments on here about the sack chants today are a yet another indication as to how much trouble Silva is in.

Dave Williams
418 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:19:16
Ian- Wenger is now 70 and his Arsenal teams over the last few years were not as good as they had been.
Maybe he would do a decent job but there must surely be some equally good candidates who are 30 or so years younger.
Rob Marsh
419 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:24:04
Steve Ferns # 357

Steve, I wouldn't be so sure the next manager will be just like Silva.

They may well be looking for a manager with a proven history (Benitez?) who's capable of digging himself out of the kind of hole Silva now finds himself in.

Silva may well be young, ambitious and open to Brands guidance, but he doesn't have the ability to put a winning team on the pitch or correct things when the go wrong.

We can't afford a repeat of this next season, tempers a really beginning to fly whithin the fan base, I have a feeling the next manager will have a fair bit more experience than the Silva types.

Jay Harris
420 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:24:14
Hugh as long as it gets"Mediocrity is good as long as they bow to me" Kenwright out of the club I don't care if Putin is behind him.
Peter Mills
421 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:24:16
Rob#374, yours is probably the most telling post on this thread.

Mike#346, a dead rubber refers to a game that counts for nothing. Specifically, in the case of our home match against Atalanta, we were already out of the Europa Cup before it started. But at 80 minutes, at 1-2 down, the players were trying their hearts out to score an equaliser. We conceded a third on the break, then the wheels came off and two more went in, as can happen.

But the players were motivated, in my opinion battling for the club and for David Unsworth. You have consistently told me he is not a Premier League manager. Do you say the same about Chris Wilder, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe? I have no idea whether Unsworth could do the job, nobody does, but I would sooner see him given the task until the end of the season than the current joker in charge.

Ian Lloyd
422 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:24:36
Kieran and Dave - points taken and agreed but I just find it hard to swallow that people slag him off after what he did for arsenal

I still feel he would do a job and put the correct foundations in place for us for a couple of years with a “younger” understudy to take over - after all, we have become a laughing stock so any improvement is progress

Trevor Peers
423 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:25:21
Unsworth could be installed as caretaker manager on Monday, only for as long as it takes Brands to recruit a decent replacement. I hope Unsworth has the sense this time to come out and say he doesn't want the job on a permanent basis as he realises he would be out of his depth. If he does that we can all get behind him and hope results improve and hope the managers job is resolved within weeks.

Surely Brands has been searching for a replacement for quite some time as Silva's demise has unfolded, it would be very unprofessional of him if he hasn't got this under control. The signs have been there since the shambolic pre-season games, the worst I can ever remember, in 60 odd years of supporting the blues, and it has flowed into this season's campaign.

Jerome Shields
424 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:27:06
Kieran #395

Steve didn"t see the game, but he is right that Brands has a say at Finch Farm, but not in coaching or selection.

The problem I see with replacing Silva is that Moshiri/Brands project is only in its second year and while there has been changes, there is a lot more to done, and they are not all to do with the Manager. So if the project is a long term one, what happens if things don't go to plan, because of resistance to changes.

If change cannot be achieved, what is the point of those involved continuing to work on the Everton Project , and I am not talking about Silva. Brands springs to mind. What happens if Moshiri decides the Everton are not going to fulfil his objectives?. What the point of building a Stadium? All Moshiri has to do is pay of Kenwright and sell the Club without the conditions he was faced with, at a certain considerably higher price.

The problems are deeper than Silva and there are limits on what those who formulated the p!an, will accept from Everton.

I agree the next Manager will be similar to Silva as Steve says.

Derek Thomas
425 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:27:40
Lets face it he should've gone after the Millwall game. We had that self imposed 17 day break and they went on a little run that flattered to decieve. People may cling to...well we beat some 'big teams' - Yeah they were struggling then.

False dawn number 51. False dawn number 52 is on hold, along with it seems BMD.

Get some new ideas from your gurus Mr Moshiri, I'm sure BPB and Jim Whyte can sort it for you.

You couldn't run a 'king whelk stall and you couldn't give this club away in a lucky bag.

How to make £500M - start with a billion and buy Everton.

See you in Speke lads - if we're lucky.

And the International break can fuck right off too.

I voted right away in the poll, but 3 more games will do while a replacement is sourced...a decent one, one without a relegation on his CV

Dave Williams
426 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:28:44
Ian- Wenger guiding a younger guy could work - Arteta for example but as others have said that would duplicate what Brands does. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable to know who is best to go for but I do know enough to agree that Silva has to go for the future well being of the club not to mention the mental well being of us fans!
Brian Keenan
427 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:28:50
I think it's time for the first team Manager and the release of the Chairman at Everton FC. Let's get behind the team after the break with a new Manager at the helm.

The West Ham match will be aloud with negative words and old and new protests in some form. Why does it take the fans to give up their club tickets rather than the sense off the board?

I hope this would help with my Everton and its following supporters and reward the Club with a new lift. The worry is too great and un-sportsmanship of being laughed at is not the main concern. 😆

Rob Marsh
428 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:31:16
Trevor Peers # 423

If Silva goes Monday, Unsworth as caretaker should get at least until New Year, how much worse can he be than Silva?

Derek Knox
429 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:38:30
I have read through most of the posts, and of the very few who have suggested, he needs a little more time.

Yes I would agree, about ten years in Walton should do the trick!

It is verging on criminality what he has done to our beloved team, the man who is receiving a Lottery Win every week in wages, simply hasn't got a clue, and is totally out of his depth. I have no sympathy whatsoever for this pathetic individual, who has got the job under false pretences.

Who, head-hunted this prick?

Get him as far away from Everton, as could be geographically possible, with NO COMPENSATION FOR ABJECT FAILURE!

Trevor Peers
430 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:39:01
Rob 428
IMO I don't think Unsworth wants the job on a permanent basis or Brands sees him as a permanent successor.
John Pierce
431 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:43:06
Poo poo Wengers last 5 years. His dross was far superior to anything we achieved.

Andrew Keatley
432 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:44:05
Steve Ferns - Do you have some sort of hotline to Marcel Brands? Does Moshiri have your number next to Jim White’s on his speed-dial? Some of the claims you make about the behind-the-scenes processes are staggering.

You mention the dangers of mob-mentality, and assert that Brands will make his own decision about Silva. This is all guesswork, but you present it as fact. Who knows what will influence Brands - if indeed it is Brands alone who will decide Silva’s fate - but I should think that factors including fan opinion, form, player opinion, Kenwright and Moshiri will all provide some sort of context for him.

It’s becoming clear to me why you’re such a fan of Silva; you and he both seem to share the belief that the secret to footballing success is tactical analysis above all other things. You mention the notion of other people playing FIFA, but I think you’ve been playing Championship Manager on here for years. Success is won out on the pitch, not on the training ground and not in tactics sessions. You can do all the theory you like, but if you cannot inspire your team to bring it onto the pitch - alongside fitness, sharpness, confidence, freedom of expression, tenacity, passion, hunger, spirit, desire, courage - then you are not a top manager, and you should not be managing Everton Football Club.

I’m sorry to have a go Steve - you are clearly a massive fan of the club and of football itself - but I really think you’ve got Silva wrong, and I hope he’s gone as soon as possible.

Christy Ring
433 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:45:35
Just watched Palace, McCarthy played well as attacking midfielder and Cahill free transfer sound at the back??
Mike Gaynes
434 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:47:08
Pete #421, Howe, Wilder and Dyche were hired to manage Championship clubs and got them promoted into the Prem. Unsworth has never managed a senior club in his life, except for a handful of fill-in games as a caretaker. In my opinion no youth coach, no matter how successful at that level, is even close to being qualified to take full charge of a Prem club. Especially this one.
Gerry Ring
435 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:47:10
Derek #429. You’re 100% spot on about Silva. As they say here in the West of Ireland, “If he was shot for being a decent manager, he’d have died an innocent man”!
Brian Porter
436 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:49:19
Just how many dismal days like today will the board tolerate before acting to get rid of the worst manager I've witnessed in my 66 years, 60 of them as an Everton fan?
Will they wait until we're so mired in the relegation fight that escape is almost impossible?
If Newcastle beat Utd tomorrow we're in the bottom three.
Marco Silva's body language is now that of a beaten man, there's no spark, no life, no inspiration and no hope.
What's the point in planning a sparkling new ground when the probability is that we could be playing championship football by the time its built?
The time to act is now! Silva's a dead duck a d we need to give his replacement as much time as possible to turn things round.

Failure to act now could have disastrous consequences!

Colin Wordsworth
437 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:51:51
Just watched MOTD . my first thoughts are, how many points Digne and Pickford have cost us this season, horrendous goal to concede. Anyway, the time must be up for Silva, to me, we must be ambitious and get a proven winner be expensive but hopefully we would save in the long term compensation wise!
Jerome Shields
438 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:53:22
Andrew #432

Silva is only part of the problem and possibly is the victim of other perpetrators. Changing Silva will not solve the whole problem.

Silva is a Manager that tried his best and to some extent what Steve has said is right. The problems are deeper that you think.

Kieran Kinsella
439 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:56:06
Gerry Ring

Didn’t know you’re from West of Ireland. Whereabouts? My mums people are Mayo and Galway folk

Gerry Ring
440 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:57:24
For feck sake Jerome, Silva is the one picking the team & making the decisions on the sideline on match day. He is clueless & is more suited to non league management.
Andy Crooks
441 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:57:46
Mike, I know how you feel about bringing in a new coach. It is shit but...why wait? He can relegate us, he has form. Does he inspire you?. Let's jump now. I absolutely believe that unless we sack him he will be the man who relegates us, and by Christmas it will be too late.
We are so fragile, so frightened, so negative, so poor that any team in English football will fancy turning us over. He must go now.
Jason Broome
442 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:57:53
Colin Glassar @ 307

I thought I was the only one. Sadly I echo your sentiments.

Tony Everan
443 Posted 05/10/2019 at 23:58:53
The job of a manager is to make a team.

Choose 11 players who become more than the sum of their parts.

Whatever the club, get the players fighting above their weight. Making it the norm.

At the moment the opposite is happening at our club. We have quality players and they are being outmaneuvered every week by smaller clubs with lesser players. Their managers are making these players more than the sum of their parts. Through training, drills, formations - systems and motivation that suit the players at their disposal.

Our manager is just not achieving this, and if it looked like he had a chance of turning it around I would back him to do so. But today told me he has no chance of doing it. It was a massive game and it was an insipid and sterile performance against a worse team who were better organised and never looked under threat throughout the game.

The evidence is now damning that Marco Silva hasn't got a clue how to set up an effective team or motivate them. Maybe he is suffering the loss of Joao Pedro Sousa and is not in harmony with Boa Morte, but unfortunately it doesn't matter. Everton need points and the fans need hope for the future.

Right now there is nothing but grave concern at the level of our performances against an array of lesser teams. Even more worryingly, there is no sign of any idea from the manager as to how to fix it.

Moshiri will be distraught that he has to weigh up whether to back or sack yet again. I reckon he just wants a quiet life. He will be loathed to go through it all again, especially as he thought the ship had been steadied.

He'll be thinking what's the best gamble ?

1Sacking 2Backing 3 Bury head in the sand, wait and hope for an upturn

He should be bold and go for 1, but I fear he will go for 3. In the meantime he better start on some covert contingency planning as defeat at home against West Ham and there will be universal outright rebellion at the status quo and Farhad's hand will be forced.

Dave Williams
444 Posted 05/10/2019 at 00:01:03
Brian- agreed. These are not the rankings of posters who are pissed off about just a few defeats. We are in the bottom four which could well be the bottom three tomorrow. We all know our club motto and at the moment this is a bad joke. It doesn’t help that the shower across the park are running away with the league but that is secondary. Our proud club, one of the all time greats of English football is in a nosedive and the guy in charge of the team seems to have run out of ideas. Something has to be done to try to save our season and before things get worse.
Other than Martinez first 6 months our performance post Moyes has been dreadful. We have spent a fortune and results are worse albeit I do believe that the squad is of much higher quality. People complain that we lack a CB or a striker but what we really lack is a good manager.
Andy Crooks
445 Posted 05/10/2019 at 00:01:53
Jerome, Silva's best as he showed with Hull and Watford is way, way short of what is needed in the Premier League. It is a wee bit better than Greece.
Rob Marsh
446 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:10:15
Under Martinez we did have some highs and played some good expansive football and so when it come to sack him we had an example of what he could do to balance and compare to his poor spells.

Silva's best wasn't really that good, it's become an easy decision for me.

Ivan Varghese
447 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:10:20
Marco needs more time. I see great plays but midfield of Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson have no creativity. Siggy was a spectator. What happened to Bernard, why wasn't he playing? Even Pep said he was surprised Bernard was not on with City.
Christy Ring
448 Posted 05/10/2019 at 00:12:43
Let’s look at the bigger picture we’ve only played City of the top six and we’re bottom 4 enough said
Andrew Keatley
449 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:13:31
Jerome Shields (438) - “Silva is only part of the problem and possibly is the victim of other perpetrators. Changing Silva will not solve the whole problem.”

I agree. I never said he was the whole problem.

“Silva is a Manager that tried his best and to some extent what Steve has said is right.”

Tried his best? If we have indeed seen his best then we should get shot immediately.

“The problems are deeper that (than) you think.”

So you know what I think now to you? Come on... I’m well aware that getting our first team to play consistently good football and compete for trophies is not an easy transition for any management team to make, but if we know we currently have a manager who is nowhere close to achieving it, shouldn’t we look elsewhere immediately?


Jerome Shields
450 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:17:41
Andy#441

Evertons best has been way below what is required in the Premier League, even before Silva. Silva is only part of the problem. There are others besides Silva responsible for that performance today.

Ron Marr
451 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:19:41
When was the last time Everton were in the bottom 3? 98, 94, 51? 22 goals conceded from set pieces in the Silva era is just appalling. My guess is Silva needs at least 5 points from the Burnley, West Ham and Brighton games otherwise he's toast. Keeping him until Christmas doesn't sound like a good idea with games coming up against Spurs, Leicester, RS, Chelsea and Man Utd.
Trevor Peers
452 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:20:53
Jerome
How bad does it have to get before you would sack Silva ?
Peter Jansson
453 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:26:11
Darren Hind, you judge Unsworth because he had one bad game against Southamton? Should we jugde 50 games with Silva after we have gone backwords? I am pretty sure that if Unsworth would have had the chance to coach us for 50 games and a couple of windows we would be much better of than we are today.

The last game with Unsworth we looked pretty good. That does not count? Only the bad games count?

Silva is getting us absolutely nowhere but backwards. Right now I am happy with almost any other manager. But I don't want Benitez, Wenger and Moyes.

Rob Marsh
454 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:27:15
Trevor # 452

To get on we have to selfish, we've had enough and when our super loyal away support turns, it's time.

Christy Ring
455 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:27:16
We bought Kean, a 19-year-old — was he the answer upfront? No.

We lost Jagielka and Zouma but didn't buy a centre-back.

Brands and Silva???

Rob Marsh
456 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:30:23
Peter # 453

If I could look into a crystal ball and see Benitez would be good for us; would you still say no to him?

Kieran Kinsella
457 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:34:52
Since Moyes left for all the money we’ve spent, I count only Barry, Lukaku, Gueye, McCarthy and Pickford as signings who’ve had any more than occasional spells of form. So what five players in 7 years? Shite managers shite players.
Mike Gaynes
458 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:38:21
Kieran #457, not Digne?
Ed Prytherch
459 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:42:34
Gerry Ring #435. I love that saying and I will try to remember it. In this case it is so fitting.
Mike Gaynes
460 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:44:08
Andy #441, thought you'd seen my earlier posts. As of today I do support bringing in a new manager as soon as possible. My debate with Peter and Darren was over whether it should be Unsworth. They'd like to see him named for the remainder of the season. I strongly disagree. In my opinion he is not qualified to be anything more than a caretaker for a few games until the new man arrives.
Kieran Kinsella
461 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:46:35
Mike

Lol I forgot Digne he was actually near the top of my list but I forgot him as I debated including McCarthy

Rob Marsh
462 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:47:21
Mike # 460

If he started as caretaker and put together a decent run between now and Christmas, you wouldn't want to keep him until the end of the season at least?

Kieran Kinsella
463 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:52:54
I'm unsure about Unsie. Didn't work out for Neil Adams making the move up at Norwich. Different roles but Harvey and Gabriel didn't fair too well. Emotionally I'd say Yes but, if we are in a relegation battle, it seems like a risky move.
Ron Marr
464 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:53:06
And when I thought today couldn't get any worse, my wife has just come home with a Victorian style coat for me to wear, so we both can dress up for the Dickens Fair. Apparently a shirt is on the way.

Happy wife, happy life!

Kieran Kinsella
465 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:55:58
Ron

Maybe you’ll get a Dickensian happy ending and discover you’re Usmanovs heir

Ron Marr
466 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:58:52
Maybe he was the convict I gave food to in Sefton Park
Kieran Kinsella
467 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:59:44
Lol Ron
Ian Pilkington
468 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:07:37
It is crystal clear that Silva must go immediately, surely Brands must have planned for this probability after the alarm bells rang last season?

Unsworth should be appointed caretaker until the new manager is in place, hopefully in time for the West Ham game.

Depressingly the headlines appear to be about Pochettino saving his job at Spurs, whilst Moyes is the bookies' favourite to replace Silva. We really are a laughing stock.

Paul Johnson
469 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:18:59
Sorry but we might as well stick with Silva if Unsworth is the option. I had some red nose twat saying we should go back to Allardyce as he will keep us up. If we act like a small club, then we are one.

I like Moshiri but I think he needs to start going with his highly successful gut rather than listening to second-rate Evertonians like Kenwright. Fuck me, we have given our previous two incumbents £20 million which is Ancelloti's salary for 3 years. It will cost us another £10M for Marco. Give the chosen one a bell.

Fuck me, it can't get any worse.

Eric Paul
470 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:19:07
Mike,

Do you think Lampard and Gerrard are more qualified than Unsworth???

John Boon
471 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:24:19
It really is sad to see so many loyal Evetonians trying to right a sinking ship with a huge variety of suggestions for a new manager. I agree that Silva is not the answer. Unfortunately I have no idea who would be able to prevent the ship from sinking to the bottom. We need a magician.

One reason that I do not think that Silva is the right man is from his interviews. Leaders need to be inspiring and able to get the absolute best out of every player in order to have them play as a team. It actually pains me to listen to him after games. I only do it because I need to know what it is that annoys me.

Very simple. He turns me off rather than on; if the players also feel like that, then how can anyone expect them to perform on the field?,I just cannot imagine him being in any way successful at running a practice session. I would admire him far more if he just resigned... Please do!!!

Roman Sidey
472 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:33:44
I've laid a lot of blame on the players over this season and much of last, but it's clear that Silva and his "coaches" have been a major cause for their shortcomings. Players don't get to Premier League level without being VERY good at basic skills, yet Everton's players are shocking at the basics. That's poor coaching/training.

If Silva is sacked, and he definitely should be, then all the coaching staff needs sacking too. Since Ferguson came in we've been totally shit.

I don't know who should replace Silva; that's not my job. My job is to support the team, and I will not be doing that if the club brings in Moyes, or gives Unsworth the job any more than in a caretaker role. Moyes is a football dinosaur who should have gone in 2008, and can anyone really envisage a quality player on the market choosing to play for Unsworth?

Anthony Murphy
473 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:35:00
Unsworth? As permanent manager of a Premier League side in real danger of relegation this season? It's an absolute non starter – far too risky. He needs to cut his teeth in a lower league for a few years first. He's not even in the first-team coaching set up.

What other team in the Premier League have successfully promoted an Under-23 coach in this way? If Solskjaer gets the boot at Man Utd, do you think they'd consider Neil Wood? If Spurs ditch Pochettino would they go for Wayne Burnet? (Yes, I have had to look both up, which proves a fuckin point...)

Aren't we sick of the old boys club at Everton? Let's move on and start acting like a proper big club for once. Let's get a manager with a track record of winning at a decent level and let's stop pissing about with ‘one for the future' punts. It has got this club nowhere in over 30 years.

Jimmy Daly
474 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:38:08
Everton played well the latter half of last season when Joa Pedro Sousa was Silva's assistant. He leaves to go and manage a very ordinary team in the Portuguese Primera League, FC Falamiceo.

As it stands right now, they are top of the league – 1 point ahead of Benfica. We get Boa Morte. Not saying that Sousa was the difference, but... ?

Paul Birmingham
475 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:42:31
What ever happens, there’s no pre cast mould manager to solve the issues at EFC. There won’t be a Marco Silva mk2,3 r, etc it won’t happen.

But it will take a manager in the vein of charismatic, proven! Coach, people manager, tactician, etc.. they don’t exist, but a Marco Silva Mk2, won’t, happen.

Surely Marcel will live and learn, and hopefully the club will grow shoots of recovery.

That’s the hope, and it’s no disgrace but to say Marco Silca, tried valiantly but failed.

I think think loosing his no2, preseason, has been a massive blow, for which he cant recover,

Something got lost and won’t be found, and so the game and life moves on.

Who next,to take the poison chalice, as it will take a radical management team, to turn Everton around?

Let# hope deliverance, is soon.

Roman Sidey
476 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:44:54
Well put, Anthony. The ex-Everton boys names that get thrown around, jobs for the boys, and utterly uninspiring suggestions is part of the problem. Not to be too judgmental, but if Unsworth hadn't played for Everton, not a single supporter would even consider him qualified for the job.
Phil Sammon
477 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:46:54
I've started to see the first glimmers of criticism for Moise Kean this last week.

Last night on Optus Sport the co-commentator was saying he ‘came in on massive money' and ‘needs to start scoring goals'. Today I've read someone saying that the reckon Silva will be rueing not signing Haller instead.

Of all the very obvious failings we have, I personally find it really quite pathetic that anyone would look to apportion any blame on Kean. I know he's a multi-millionaire teenager that doesn't need my sympathy... but can we give the kid a fucking fair go before slaughtering him?

John Davies
478 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:47:31
Anthony #473, you are spot on in everything you've said, mate. It can't possibly be Unsworth. The whole "mates club" philosophy at Everton needs to be scrapped and all of them packed off elsewhere.
Paul Johnson
479 Posted 06/10/2019 at 01:50:11
Paul @475: second paragraph? “They don't exist”? I beg your pardon but they do. they just don't want to come and manage a two-bob outfit in a shitty stadium with no European football.

The only thing that turns these guys on is big dough and right now Allegri and Mourinho (two serial trophy winners) are unemployed. So the question is: How hungry are they? And then, how hungry are our board?

Ron Marr
481 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:03:21
If they don't beat West Ham, I can see the crowd going all "Arthur Fleck" at the organization.

Hard to tell what if anything Marcel Brands will do. His transfer window dealings for Everton seemed to be mostly last-minute signings. Hope he's not going to be a dithering Marcel if Silva continues to implode.

Paul Birmingham
482 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:10:58
What ever happens, there’s no pre cast mould manager to solve the issues at EFC. There won’t be a Marco Silva mk2,3 r, etc itwon’t happen.

But it will take a manager in the vein of charismatic, proven! Coach, people manager, tactician, etc.. they don’t exist, but a Marco Silva Mk2, won’t, happen.

Surely Marcel will live and learn, and hopefully the club will grow shoots of rec

That’s the hope, and it’s no disgrace but to say Marco Silca, tried valiantly but failed.

I think think loosing his no2, preseason, has been a massive blow, for which he cant recover,

Something got lost and won’t be found, and so the game and life moves on.

Who next,to take the poison chalice, as it will take a radical management team, to turn Everton around?

Let# hope deliverance, is soon.

But it will take a remarkable human being to turn the mind set of Everton and who ever becomes coach, must surely do some homework before taking this job?

We lie in this shadow of Old Nick, and fate, fair and luck every week, rides out with the RS.

They’d win the equivalent of the footy oscars for cheating, diving and feigning every month, every year.

They ain’t the best team but they play the percentage game and get more breaks in a month, than Everton gets in a year.

Why?

Paul Birmingham
483 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:19:22
Paul@475, good point, but whom are they, realistically, ?

It’s a long term project and nigh on 35 years of neglect and dereliction, can’t be turned around in a few years.

The massive investment and abject failure to even close the gap, since a Farhad took over says it all.

How many teams, have spent so much and have a net, marketing, supporter advocacy, feel good factor, believe in hope, in the near future, like Everton?

It’s a killer?

The top manager names won’t entertain GP, even if bankrolled.

Massive few weeks ahead, for a Evertonians.


Kieran Kinsella
484 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:51:27
Ron Marr

The whole club has been “Arthur Fleck” since Howard went to Bilbao: I’d prefer that we go Heath Ledger Joker, at least he accomplished something; albeit his ferry across the Mersey bomb blot didn’t pan out

Ed Prytherch
485 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:55:15
My vote is for Phil Neville. Former captain of Everton, played for the most successful manager of the modern era, tough, intelligent, plain speaking and not a novice
Andrew Dempsey
486 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:23:16
Yeh, Ed.
Look, I know it’s late, mate.
But, come on. Put down the Courvoisier.

I’d go for Rhino, personally.
With Bellew as Assistant M, Hand-of-the-King.

Jamie Crowley
487 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:39:04
Ed -

That's not the worst shout. I could see that.

Beats yelling for Rafa by a mile for me.

This Moise Kean thing, seemingly starting to come under a little criticism...

If you're in a system where the ball is continually played wide, like all the time, with no cutting passes in the middle of the pitch, isn't that a pretty difficult environment to succeed in if you're a striker?

On top of that, throw in the fact you get tossed on the pitch as a 19 year old in that system, just about every time in a losing position, and everyone's looking for you to get that all-important tying goal?

Nah. Give that poor kid a break already.

Jamie Crowley
488 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:54:30
And as I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord, my rant to keep.


We have a manager who -

- continually plays Schneiderlin who kills everything moving forward

- has lost his philosophy of moving the ball up the pitch quickly, we're slow as fuck

- plays the same players in the midst of a losing streak

- wouldn't mix his tactics up if you held a gun to his head

- plays everything out wide and doesn't use our actual superior talent, relying on crosses against inferior opposition, which the opposition just loves as they clear the ball from danger with ease; playing right into their hands

- insists on Mina and Keane playing the ball forward from the back, instead of getting Delph, Gomes, whoever, the ball in a deeper position to start attacks

- insists on a zonal marking system that is killing us, and doesn't change

- takes our young talent and benches or transfers them

- insists on playing a system that completely negates the purpose of having a #10

- plays an aging, out of form player at the 10, and wouldn't insert a creative player in that position if faced with contracting Bubonic Plague

- literally throws shit on the wall to see what will stick with his substitutions

- takes our 19 year old Italian phenom and promptly doesn't start him, only inserting him in the game when behind and asking the poor boy to become Jesus and save his bacon

- is responsible for a completely flaccid team, devoid of scoring opportunities and only creating half-chances

- keeps inserting an MLS player in Theo Walcott into the side, believing he's the answer to our problems

- Has had millions spent, and spent well I might add, to improve the squad, but can't get them winning


If the away supporters are chanting his demise, it's fucking time. Never mind all the above.

I've crossed the line. He's gotta go.


If I die before I wake, I pray the Lord, please Silva take.

Amen.

Gerry Ring
489 Posted 06/10/2019 at 05:43:54
Kieran #439. I’m originally from Laois but have lived in Ballina, Mayo for 35 years.
Ron Marr
490 Posted 06/10/2019 at 06:14:04
Kieran, I prefer Cesar Romero as the Joker from the 60s. In the era of the brilliant Ball, Kendall and Harvey.
Brian Porter
491 Posted 06/10/2019 at 06:40:43
Jamie 487 & 488, you've saved me posting anything really. I 100% agree with every word in your two posts. Especially with regards to Moise Kean. How is he expected to a. Adjust to the premier league if he's not given a run of starts to enable him to get with his new teammates? And b. How can people criticise the lad for not scoring goals when most of his game time is coming from being a late substitute, expected to turn a losing position round when the rest of the team have dropped their heads and given up?

Ffs, the Italians are nobody's mugs, and this lad is considered good enough for Juve and the national team, and guess what? He scored goals for them.

In his first couple of games for us, he was on the field with Iwobi and I could see the two of them, even at that early stage in their Everton careers, seemed to link up well together. Silva of course, promptly broke up the fledgling partnership, probably because they were playing it forwards instead of side to side, thus disrupting the style of play of the rest of the team, who shall henceforth be known as Deadbeats Anonymous!

Just to add one small point to your second post. He signs a World Cup winning right back and then persists on playing Seamus, who we love, but can all see has lost a yard or so in pace and has never truly recovered from his terrible injury.

Gbamin is injured but if he wasn't would Silva have him as a regular starter?

In short, we brought in four potentially excellent players in the summer, in Kean, Iwobi, Sidibe and Gbamin, all of whom if played together could give us an exciting new look, and maybe we'd win a game or two.

As you rightly say, it's time to say goodbye to the biggest loser to hold the manager's chair for years.

The BBC website has just published a set of stats that prove Silva has a worse record with us than Big Sam.

We sit one place above the relegation zone. Even under Koeman, we never fell so low, and yet Moshiri pulled the trigger. What's stopping him doing the same to Silva who is only going to take us the same way as Hull City...down?

It's time to go, Senhor Silva.

Jerome Shields
492 Posted 06/10/2019 at 06:41:56
Trevor#452

What I seen during this match was dreadful. But the problem I seen is a lot bigger than Silva and I can't see any solutions being offered on this thread, other than those that are for wholesale changes at the Club, from top to bottom. Any Manager in these circumstances would end up eventually having the same problems as Silva.

We have seen this type of display before from Everton, with elementary mistakes and poor attitude and motivation, and a weekly unsupported Manager. It reflects a Club that has a core of bad Management, who are working against anyone who is trying to organise a team to prepare and perform in the Premier League.

I have seen this in business organisations, where the Management are detrimental to the conduct of good business and actually worked against it.

In Everton there are person's who are working against Silva ( who has worked hard and honestly) and anyone who is trying to work with him to achieve the necessary level of performance and progress in the Premier League. It would take that kind of shock to change the Club.

That's the real problem that has to addressed and whilst some posters have been right in highlighting the problem and suggested the solution, they have not actually said how it should be done. The answer is with great difficulty and definitely not overnight as many on here seem to think.

I have thought for years the solution opportunity was missed many years ago when Everton should, have been relegated ( it was speculated at the time that there was a payout) and the fan that kissed the centre spot at the end of the Wimbledon game, could have watched Everton start a fundamental and necessary rebuild throughout the Club, rather become a p!aything for those that subsequently took control of the Club.

Everton will survive again this season in the Premiership. They where careful this time to give themselves time and the merry go round wil! start all over again, till the inevitable next time, unless Moshiri and Brands do something fundamental to change the Club, or the next owner and Director of Football do.

The solution is not going to be as easy as sacking Silva, though he appears to being helped on his way and fed to the fans and media. Even that Roy Kean is in on the act to increase his management profile.

Jason Lloyd
493 Posted 06/10/2019 at 07:49:54
I have to say Brands is not innocent in what has happened so far this season.

He has cleared out lots of deadwood and balanced the books in transfers.

But he has failed to get a striker. Keane is a forward and in my view is not going to make it in the premier league.

Failing to get a pacy centre back is the other major failing.

The transfer policy of the club is led by Brands and they should have bust a gut to spend £40m plus on both those players but are trying to shop in the sub £30m category which doesn't get you proven quality nowadays, they know this.

Danny Baily
494 Posted 06/10/2019 at 07:54:06
Sunderland visited my local club Lincoln yesterday, and were beaten 2-0 to chants of 'we saw you cry on netflix'.

A cautionary tale. I'd back FM and MB in taking whatever action is necessary to keep us up. This shouldn't even be a concern of ours given the resources we have. Someone who understands football should be involved in selecting the next manager.

Trevor Peers
495 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:00:14
Jerome @492

Where's your evidence that there are people at management level working against the club and Silva ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
I think you over complicating what is basically wrong with Everton and that is we are not winning enough football matches and when that happens, after a reasonable period of time, usually you change the manager in the hope that it will improve your chances of doing just that.

Take Leicester as an example they where struggling just like we are now, under thier last manager Claude Puel last season, results were poor. They identified the right man for them and duly sacked Puel with the resulting upturn in form. Everton have no choice but to follow thier example, that's how football works. The owner has complete control over the management structure and has a duty to act quickly and not let things drift. Leaving the situation as it is risks a huge relegation battle, something I'm sure most of us don't need or want.

Darren Hind
496 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:04:10
Mike

Rhino did not have the time to work with his players. He was thrown in at the deep end.
Unlike Allardyce, Koeman, Silva, Moyes and Smith he did not get a transfer window to work in. He was allowed to spend nothing and quite literally had to go with what he had

What he did inherit was a injury racked squad who had just been mauled at home by Arsenal and were actually in a worse position than we are now (18th).

You, like a lot on here base your opinion on perception and stats, but you have to take the facts into consideration too. Unsworth did not get us into that mess. He got us out of it.
His experience is limited, but his 50% win ratio in the Premier league is vastly superior to the failures mentioned above.

For two hundred years the Yanks and ourselves have introduced each other to so many wonderful things . . but I wish to fuck you'd kept your Logic defying obsession with sporting stats to yourselves.

Ernie Baywood
497 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:12:24
If you're going to favour lots of possession and not going to move forward quickly then don't play a number 10.

If you're not going to play a number 10 then don't pick Sigurdsson.

If you're going to rely on getting wide and crossing the ball then you need something in the middle. It can't just be DCL on his own. And you need wide players who have the ability to deliver a decent cross.

Nothing that Silva is doing makes sense. It's really basic stuff. Even losing games isn't making him think it through.

I don't really want Unsworth but he can't be worse. Give him the season and see what happens.

Ian Lloyd
498 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:15:38
488 - completely right!

Has he not walked yet!?!

Brian Porter
499 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:28:15
A new poll on the Grand Old Team forum, opened last night has over 500 votes so far in response to the question, Should Marco Silva be sacked?
Results so far Yes, 79%
No, 10%
On the fence, 11%
Pretty damning for Silva. If that was translated into bums on seats, it would give us an average Attendance of around 3,700.

Come on Moshiri, grow a pair, get rid of the useless waste of space now, and give whoever steps in a couple of weeks to try and get a tune out of the players available.

Roman Sidey
500 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:57:17
Brian Porter, 491, you mention good points about players who've proven themselves at one level (Juventus and France WC winners) yet don't seem to get going at Everton. I would add a World Cup runner-up in John Heitinga to that list. played almost 100 minutes of a World Cup Final against one of the best teams ever assembled and kept a clean sheet, but couldn't get a game ahead of Moyes' boys.

That's something wrong in the club, and cannot be a coincidence, but the crazy thing is there's a large proportion of fans that don't want players of this caliber playing at the club because of some perceived attitude or arrogance. I tell ya what, I'd rather win the league with Royston Drenthe turning up to training drunk (extreme example) than a team of Tony Hibberts or Phil Jagielkas whose life goal is to not upset anyone.

Darren Hind, 496, you do see the irony of criticising the use of stats over facts and then championing Unsworth's 50% win rate in the Premier League, right?

Roman Sidey
501 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:57:17
Brian Porter, 491, you mention good points about players who've proven themselves at one level (Juventus and France WC winners) yet don't seem to get going at Everton. I would add a World Cup runner-up in John Heitinga to that list. played almost 100 minutes of a World Cup Final against one of the best teams ever assembled and kept a clean sheet, but couldn't get a game ahead of Moyes' boys.

That's something wrong in the club, and cannot be a coincidence, but the crazy thing is there's a large proportion of fans that don't want players of this caliber playing at the club because of some perceived attitude or arrogance. I tell ya what, I'd rather win the league with Royston Drenthe turning up to training drunk (extreme example) than a team of Tony Hibberts or Phil Jagielkas whose life goal is to not upset anyone.

Darren Hind, 496, you do see the irony of criticising the use of stats over facts and then championing Unsworth's 50% win rate in the Premier League, right?

John Hammond
502 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:06:35
Darren Hind #311: I don't want this to come across as Unsworth bashing but I have a few issues with your post.

1. We won twice and conceded 20 times in the 8 games he was in charge which included the 5-1 humiliation by Atalanta at Goodison and 4-1 at St Mary's.

2. If we're talking about just leagues games then he had a respectable 40% win ratio however that's such a small sample size to compare to others that managed far more games.

3. I would hardly classify 5 points above the drop zone as steering us away from relegation.

Paul Setter
503 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:25:18
Personally I think the international break will save silva.
Everton like to brush stuff under the carpet and not bring to much fuss into things.
The board will look at it thinking we use this to re-group and start again against West Ham, then Brighton then spurs before the next break then repeat the cycle till Xmas. It’s what Everton do.
Tony Twist
504 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:29:42
Due to circumstances (statue of the club, money spent, attitude of players, predicament) the new manager has to be competent. Not unsworth, have you seen the standard of play from his team, not Howe, it has to be a managing god to get us out of this long term. The special one, the Spanish waiter, the French professor all fit the bill and unfortunately the only cream of that crop is Rafa. I say unfortunately as the history with Liverpool will be a stick to beat him with by some supporters with any sort of bad run of form. I can't see it happening, when has this club ever done the sensible thing.
Charles Brewer
505 Posted 05/10/2019 at 09:35:45
Colin (307). I have achieved much the same state. I was out at a political podcasts event in London yesterday and didn't even bother to check the score until I left. I found I was actually indifferent. I have stopped caring.

We have a shit manager - as was entirely predictable from the man's record - and his performance is exactly in line with what anyone would have expected, no matter how much money he was given. We have a team of reasonable players, none of whom I could care less about. Seamus Coleman is the last of the players anyone could get behind, and since his broken leg he's not worth a place in the team.

In some ways, the most accurate indicator of my opinion is how often I look up ToffeeWeb. It used to be several times daily. Now it's once a week or so.

Still, at least I have the exciting International Break to look forward to!

Derek Knox
506 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:46:54
Charles, I can understand where you are coming from, and empathise with you too. Silva has virtually sucked the life out of most of us, as least he's been successful at something.

Once the majority of a loyal fan base, become apathetic, it has to be the long awaited death knell for Silva. I don't agree with all this give him a bit longer, to see what he can do.

It is so evident that he is stubbornly reluctant to change anything, which is so obvious to all and sundry, that nothing is working as it should. Let's stop the rot and stop it now before it's too late.

The big question being, who do we get to positively steer us in the right direction?

Steven Astley
507 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:49:40
My main worry with sacking Silva is we will potentially lose Richarlison's focus with it. Still, has to be done. He is clearly not capable of sorting the team out or trying something different when plan A fails.
Dale Rose
508 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:49:57
Fuck me more of the same old. We do have some good players. The problem is they have no direction. They are slow to push up, and are losing the ball to early. Some very poor passing.

I don't think it's all doom and gloom because we have the basics just need to bring it together. I don't think Silva is the man too do that.

Dave Williams
509 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:59:33
Roman- didn’t Heitinga get our player of the year award before his form mysteriously dived?
Darren Hind
510 Posted 06/10/2019 at 10:04:09
John Hammond.

I wont say this again.

Unsworth was not put in charge to get us back into a cup Koeman had gotten us knocked out of. Those games were irrelevant. The only good that could have come from them, was that the manager was able to try stuff he wouldnt dare do in the league. To all intents and purposes. The club had written off those games. Survival was the only show in town.

I laughed out loud at your little dig. Although I accept it as a fact. He did take us out of the drop zone, but as you quite rightly point out. He ONLY take us five points clear

Instead of quoting meaningless stats, you might want to get your facts (and your maths) straight.
He has been in charge of six premier league games. He has won three of them. . That, whether you want to contest it or not, is an irrefutable fact.

Roman Sidey

No irony at all. Percentages and Stats are two very different things. If you win three out of six it amounts to 50% - Thats a fact. I like to listen to other peoples opinion, but I like them to be based on either what they see, or facts and official records.

Fan-boy website stats don't mean a thing to me

Bobby Thomas
512 Posted 06/10/2019 at 10:47:50
Roman #500

"Moyes boys" at centre back were Jagielka and Distin, who were both better, stronger and quicker than Heitinga.

I understand, get and agree with your broader point about the mentality of the club. Its one I agree with. It has an inferiority complex, a loser mentality.

But the centre backs were just better than Heitinga. Heitinga was good sitting deep. Push up the pitch with a high line and forget it. He couldn't handle it. He got hooked at Wigan as he was getting ran all over the place by Kone ffs!

Mike Corcoran
513 Posted 06/10/2019 at 11:03:34
Bill Kenwright is probably on Money Supermarket now raising a couple of quid against his house to make a low-ball offer to buy the whole sorry mess back off Moshiri. Then he'll get some other feckin hapless coach from the I Zingari League and give him a tenner to stay just above 18th.
Julian Exshaw
514 Posted 06/10/2019 at 11:10:11
Silva aside, what blame do we apportion to these players? It seems to me they are above criticism on here. So suddenly they will decide to give it a go under a new manager? Are we to automatically assume a new manager will give them a yard of pace, a desire, an ability to take a corner (hopefully at least to defend one)? A new manager will bring a new way of playing, presumably, but he will still have to work with this squad which would appear to be far weaker in ability and smaller in number than we gave them credit for in the summer. I get all the criticism for Silva but there are others involved here who deserve a fair share of the blame. Even the greatest chef in the world would find it hard to cook with stale ingredients.
Dave Abrahams
515 Posted 06/10/2019 at 11:18:43
Steven (507,do you really think Richarlison has been focused this season.?
Martin Nicholls
516 Posted 06/10/2019 at 11:42:42
I too was at Turf Moor yesterday and confirm what others have said - it was our fans who were singing "you're getting sacked in the morning".
Silva looked red-faced as he walked past our fans - give him his due, he (but not our first team coach) did deviate from the diagonal route from the technical area to the tunnel to do this "walk of shame" and applaud our fans. What struck me was that he was half-heartedly gesturing for the players to join him but few, if any, made the effort which suggested to me that he has indeed "lost" the players - shame on them.
I was one of the last out of the ground yesterday so saw Marcel Brands exiting the ground at the corner to our right - the few fans still present made their feelings regarding Silva absolutely clear directly to him.
Mike Powell
517 Posted 06/10/2019 at 11:55:43
Think this club as finally broke me, sick off being depressed every week. Don't know how long I can carry on putting up with this shite. I think it's best if I stop watching them untill Silva as gone, I hate feeling like this, got to go and face all the reds in work on Monday, it's all right for them going back to there mansions and fancy four by four cars, it's cost us a fortune to go and watch this shower shite, who don't seem to care, I could go on but what is the use
Ray Said
518 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:03:01
James Crowley (488) a very good post.
David Thomas
519 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:04:37
I don’t know what’s a more frightening thought keeping Silva or replacing him with Unsworth.
Tom Bowers
520 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:16:46
Sunday morning and he's still here ????
Hope it's just delayed because Moshiri is working on the compensation package.
This is becoming a calamity and we haven't played anyone yet.
Bill Watson
521 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:45:03
I've been out since early on and just got in. Put on the radio news, the EFC website and ToffeeWeb and gutted to find he's still here.

Moshiri makes the decisions but I'm sure he'd firstly take soundings from the board but, these days, that can be done online or by video link.

Just do it and end the agony.

Oliver Molloy
522 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:46:17
Ye all need to keep faith with Silva, nothing going to happen for now because Moshiri is fed up with these manager merry go rounds !
Boa Morte has not been the greatest appointment for Silva and Brands.
Everton beat West Ham and it will all turn around, Silva will be a genius !
Tom Bowers
523 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:48:25
Oliver, keeping faith is when there is a spark of hope.
Silva's light went out completely weeks ago !
Oliver Molloy
524 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:52:23
Tom, we are Everton fans we have no option, the players are more responsible than Silva, a lot of them can not pass a fucking ball five yards to each other.
Rob Marsh
525 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:52:30
Julian Exshaw # 514

That's the best post on here.

The majority of us want rid of Silva, based on previous experience from last season, the clubs current form and Silva's lack of willing to try anything different (formations or players).

What has passed under the radar (by many) has been the perfomance of those outrageously high paid spongers we call our team, yes they have to take some blame. Heads have gone down far too easily in adverse situations.

Any new manager has got problems with this team, there may well be an injection of "Energy" brought by the new manager, but the team will settle down after a period and it will be the same team again.

This implies Brands has to put his hand up and take some of the blame, Moshiri should stay the hell away and let Brands do his job. I can't blame Brands too much, I think Moshiri forced Silva onto him, also we're not yet a CL club and cannot attract the best players, Brands can only really buy from tier below and only those who'll come to us.

Brands now has to find the right man who is not a yes man and has the experience with the personality to do the job. Controversial and hated by some, but for the sake of the club and its future, If I was Brands I would be on the plane right now to China to talk to you know who.

Michael Lynch
526 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:10:19
I'd be interested to hear, particuarly from Steve Ferns, who would really be in with a shout if we do decide to replace Silva. Because I believe Steve is right - that Brands made it fairly clear at the start of the project that there was going to be a "house style" which would mean that, should a manager leave (I think the fear was as much about a manager being poached if he was successful as sacked if he wasn't), there would be continuity.

So, I tend to agree with Steve that if Silva does go, whoever comes in after will have a similar footballing philosophy. I have no idea who that would be,but I assume a few on here, who follow world football closely, might. If Silva does leave, what extra talents would his replacement require, again assuming he plays a similar style? And is Brands as much at fault as Silva if we're under-performing after the investment made. Who chose the players?

Craig Williams
527 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:13:16
I just simply can't believe, for the amount of money we have spent over the last 4 years, where we still are.

We're still in the same up-and-down boat, no consistency in the team, one minute we're up... next we're back down.

We have a Number 9 who is Championship standard — and he is Everton's Number 9... pathetic!

Don Alexander
528 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:21:18
I just wonder to what extent the dreaded "stats" feature in a player's CV. For instance if the stats say his successful pass completion rate is 90% do they contend themselves as better than a player with only an 80% completion rate? Same goes for percentage shooting accuracy?

I hope it's not so but watching us on the pitch I am bemused why Digne (and I'm not picking on him, just using him as an example), a fine crosser of the ball but usually to little positive end as a result of the inadequacy of our finishing, might now more or less be taking easy street with a little, but successful, accurate pass to a team-mate so he, the recipient, can take the risk of launching a cross (likely to be unsuccessful according to "the stats") and therefore damage his own standing to the stats fans, some of who seem to infest every club in the world IMHO.

A few years ago I said on here how Luke Garbutt (at least I think it was him) went on and on about how proud he was that Unsworth was eulogising his pass-completion rate. Nothing about excitement, chances created, goals scored, no, it was all about pass-completion rate to him (and maybe Unsworth too) and he was excellent at it. Wonder what became of him?

Raymond Fox
529 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:22:21
How come we do very well at under 23 and with other youth aged teams and fail miserably at senior level?
Is it all to do with attracting good enough players to play in our senior team, or is the culture of losing that has become our MO.

Maybe our expectations are too high, top 6 is a stretch, top 4 is bigger stretch again.
Moyes for his faults did very well in the league with limited resources, we were competitive with most teams except the usual suspects.
Maybe we should go back to playing football that gives us the best chance of success which every way that may be, the result has got to be our priority.
I'm not fussed how its achieved.

Bill Gall
530 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:35:49
It amazes me that after the strong finish to last season and only loosing 2 players that we struggle against teams we should on an off day at least get a point. Loosing a game in the premier league is not unusual, as this is a tough league,one of the best in the world, were any team on their day can get a result. The problem with Everton is they are struggling to get a result playing the same way, making the same mistakes and at times playing like they don't now each other. There is a strong lack of leadership on the field and that reflects the lack of leadership off the field.

We as spectators are aware that we have not had a striker with a good scoring record since Lukaku left but we had the same problem last season and managed to score goals, and the 2 players that left were both defenders. What happened to Rich playing at the #9 spot he managed quite well and was even used by Brazil in the same spot.

From last season we lost Ghana and we have bought a player, who unfortunately is injured to replace him, but Delph should be capable enough to provide an alternative. Zouma left but in Mina we have a competent replacement so what as Silva done that tactically he has ruined the players he had last season.?

Who was the manager that was called the tinker man ? as he was always changing winning formations, because it appears Silva is trying the same only with a loosing formation. As spectators we don't like to see a managerial merry go round but on the other hand we don't believe there is any excuse to keep a person in a job that he proves on national TV he is not capable of doing what he is paid to do.

As has been stated on here we were given a reasonable start of fixtures that we should have took advantage to gain more points than we have, and now we are being sucked into a relegation battle area that is difficult to get out from as it brings in the fear factor, and lets not hear people saying we are to good to go down.

We as spectators can see the problems we are having on the pitch but cant do nothing about it. The question is why cant a coach, who is paid in the millions, has coaching certificates and assistants who are specialized for various positions on the pitch, do anything about solving the mistakes ?,

Justin Clark
531 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:39:27
Marcos Wikipedia page currently.

Marco Alexandre Saraiva da Silva (European Portuguese: [ˈmaɾku ˈsiɫvɐ]; born 12 July 1977) is a Portuguese retired footballer who played as a right back, and is the soon to be ex-manager of Premier League club Everton.

Grant Rorrison
532 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:50:54
Darren 510. 3 of those points came in his final hurrah after it was already known he was going. 2 points clear and an utter shambles prior to that game. Shipping goals left, right and centre. We had defensive personnel problems for the remainder of the season yet still managed to get into the top 8 and keep some clean sheets in the process.

An achievement Unsworth only managed in 1 game during his second spell in charge. Would we have continued to climb based upon the ropey performances and incredible good fortune needed to take -anything- prior to the West Ham game if DU had remained in charge? I am not so sure.

Rob Halligan
533 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:02:11
Justin, I thought you were joking saying that, but just had a look and indeed it does say "soon to be the ex Everton manager".
Sam Bull
534 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:06:35
someone suggested before kick off, looking at the lineups, "does he want to get sacked".. well why not? he would most likely be looking at a few million, what incentive do the players and managers have.. to do well each week? trophies? they are multi millionaires, and get paid win lose or draw, whether they play or are a sub,or not even on the team sheet.. whether they run through walls, or shit out and jog about.,
Darren Hind
535 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:07:14
Allardyce improved the goals against column because he stopped playing with a back four and went with a back ten.

And people still champion him. Tough. He aint coming back. he is the only man in football ever to be repeatedly sacked for being a miserable c..t.

And lets not forget. Like all his previous clubs. We still took severe hidings despite his cowardice

Derek Knox
536 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:14:53
Oliver @ 522, optimism is one thing but blind faith in a serial loser is verging on insanity. I don't think any more time can be afforded to Silva.

You say that you doubt Moshiri will be reluctant to sack him, as he is fed up with the Manager Merry Go Rounds. It is him or whoever is ill-advising him that has created these in the first place.

Good point regarding Silva's assistant JP Sousa, after he has gone the results the football and the appointment of Boa Morte has deteriorated into the worst displays we have seen from an Everton side, and not acceptable.

Brent Stephens
537 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:22:01
Don #528 yes stats include percentages, as I think you're saying. And that's why it's right to look at what's behind the percentages / stats. But I doubt a player would try to make lots of simple passes just to massage the percentages / stats - most people look at those stats and know how they're compiled.

I just think the likes of Digne and others make a lot of simple passes because there's no movement inviting a more ambitious pass. If he was trying to massage the stats, he'd reduce the number of his crosses - these have become really poor.

Sam Hoare
538 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:22:16
I’ve supported Silva strongly from day 1. Before even. He was my chose candidate.

Last season started with some promise went badly down hill but finished very encouragingly. I felt sure that we had a decent shot at top 5 this year.

The transfer window wasn’t great. We missed a lot of targets and ended up with no pacy CB and a striker who’ll take time to settle. Then we lost our new and only athletic midfielder. None of thats is Silva’s fault.

I do think we’ve been unlucky (some stats back up that we are under our xG) but equally he has been inflexible and reactive when the opposite was needed. The system seems to be faltering. Perhaps Joao Sousa was the real brains? His start at Familcao certainly suggests so. Something has gone wrong in the last 6 weeks or so and though there are some slightly mitigating factors they are not enough.

I think Brands and Moshiri will desperately want him to turn it around. I reckon he’ll get 2-4 more games to bag a few wins and get us up the table. If it’s still like this in November then they’ll have to act.

Koeman was sacked after 47 games, he got 69 points during that time.

Points for first 47 games:
Martinez 84
Moyes 72
Koeman 69
Silva 61 (46 games so far)

Average Points per game:
Moyes 1.5
Koeman 1.46
Martinez 1.44
Allardyce 1.41
Silva 1.32


Jamie Crowley
539 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:22:45
Julian Exshaw @ some number up above -

Good morning.


I honestly don't blame the players at all. And that's a real indictment of Marco. I truly believe the players have the talent, and I truly believe they've, by and large, put in the effort.

Yesterday was the day I saw them quit on Silva's system.

But it is quantifiably the system and the tactics that are at work here, for me and any rate, not the players. Look at the players who have played, again in the main, well this season:

Mina, Delph, Gomes, Iwobe, Bernard, Digne, Coleman (I think so, that last one is a tad controversial, but just go with it).

Throw in Pickford and thats eight players playing decent, and we should be winning games.

Who's left? Who's playing poorly or not contributing?

Schneiderlin. Don't get me started. I'll only say Marco keeps picking him, and he's killing our ability to move the ball forward at all, never mind quickly.

DCL / Kean - Silva's "play it wide always" approach to football is castrating the strikers - both of whom are young and have shedloads of talent. In a different system, they flourish.

Sigurdsson - I can't fault his effort, so I won't bash him. But he's always chosen no matter what the form. Silva doesn't have that killer instinct of benching players to create competition for places, and raise the collective game. He just plays guys over and over again, and Sigurdsson is that guy who exemplifies this Silva shortcoming. AND, Silva's system just sucks eggs if you're a 10, and that's where Siggy plays, so connect those dots.

Richarlison - Just not as dynamic as he should be. I've no idea why, and I don't think in his case it's the system we play in. He's a conundrum for me.

BUT! In the end, this is a managerial and system problem, not a player one. Get me a coach who will utilize the talent at his disposal with this group, have them play actual, attacking football attempting to create goal-scoring opportunities, and watch our fortunes rise.

Brands has to pick the next manager, and he has to get it right. If we bring in the right guy, we will skyrocket up the table.

Paul Tran
540 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:23:40
The fact that people are talking about Allardyce, Moyes & Royle without an enormous dollop of irony tells me that so much of this club is backward-thinking. Not just Kenwright, is it?
James Hughes
541 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:36:23
Paul T - absolutely feckin spot on. The amount of posters in the past few weeks calling for the return of Dour Dave is worrying.
Ian Riley
542 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:36:49
Darren#535. Allardyce got us out of trouble. The team had to adapt to defending as a team. I am not his biggest fan but he done what he was asked to do, keep us out of the championship. No he wasn't smiling, joking, and was miserable at times but he told it how it was.

No sam is not coming back but we are kicking around at the bottom of the league and Newcastle win today we are in the bottom 3. That's ok Sam is not coming back. Unless we get some top four form we are done. Sam allardyce had a more credible CV to manage Everton than the current manager and previous managers.

Jamie Crowley
543 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:46:02
After 8 games, and arguably the easiest schedule in the entire league for our first 8 games, we sit in 17th place on 7 points.

Just take a moment, and let that sink in.

In a league that not only punishes, but decapitates poor form via relegation, ask yourself one question.

Is this acceptable?

Wield the axe, wield it now, and let's move forward.

Filipe Torres
544 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:47:18
With the squad he has... he has to play 3 centre-backs; 2 pacy wing backs and 2 strikers.

No Sigurdsson and no Schneiderlin would help.

I'm constantly saying it, and I would pull Richarlison to right-back (wing-back).

The famous italian "system" that is being deployed for many years now would suite us.

NSNO? No System No Optimism now, Marco.

Derek Knox
545 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:03:04
Jamie Crowley, various posts, spot on there my man. Unfortunately we have no say whatsoever in the future choice of Manager, or for that matter the timing.

I believe the loyal travelling Blues made it verbally known to Brands, who was in attendance, exactly how they felt and what they wanted (Silva out) so I would imagine he will relay this to Moshiri.

Who I hope sets the wheels in motion during the International Break (yes another one) to pave the way for someone to release us from this persecution.

Rob Marsh
547 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:27:17
Derek # 545

Should it be Moshiri who makes the decision, he's an accountant?

What should be happening is that Brands watches the situation after giving Silva all the support he could, maybe then talks to those he's always seeked advice from, he then weighs up the options and comes to the conclusion Silva has to go. At that point he communicates with Messrs Moshiri and Kenwright that he's letting Silva go and informs them he has a list of suitable replacements.

You'll notice I haven't even mentioned Denise Barret-Baxendale, what does she know about choosing a manager for success on the pitch?

Moshiri and Kenwright have given Brands the title DOF and they should leave the expert to his job. Especially so Moshiri who's got it wrong twice Keoman/Silva. Kenwright is by far more qualified than Moshiri to choose a manager, he got it right with Moyes and it was a decent attempt with Martinez.

They must leave it to Brands!!!

Gio Mero
548 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:41:45
There's just no fight in this team. 20 times we've fallen behind 20 times we've lost.
Time to recruit some bad-ass players
In the meantime​ how about we see some decent football as we did at the beginning of the season and we play Bernard?
Steve Croston
549 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:48:43
I think we have been breathtakingly incompetent with the last 2 managers and Moyes as a stop-gap appointment is certainly no worse than having our current numpty, Silva, in charge.
Ensure the next permanent manager is the right one and move forward. But please, please, please NO MORE SILVA!!!
Ian Lloyd
550 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:05:33
See - Even Wolves can go to Man City and beat them ?!?!
What’s the chances of that happening with us ?!? ZERO
Derek Knox
551 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:08:55
Rob @ 547, good points there Rob, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence when you look at the Board make- up. Realistically there is only Brands as you rightly say, that has any football knowledge.

I know there's Kenwright, but with his track history, I would hope that he has little to do with anything in the way of selecting the next candidate.

I would imagine that Moshiri must have some say, as he is the owner/majority shareholder, and as you rightly said again Accountant. I am sure he has juggled the figures regarding what a complete clear-out and re-installation of whoever takes over.

The sad thing being that all this takes time, and the new guy will unlikely be an instant success, but surely he couldn't possibly be any worse than what we are being served up at present.

Craig Walker
552 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:14:59
To compound the misery, City just lost at home. Let’s face it, our neighbours are going to win the league this year and deserve it. The only things going for us are Bramley Moore and an ever increasingly distant glorious past. We have wasted a lot of money and had a great chance this season to do something with the usual good teams struggling. It’s sickening when you look what we’ve shelled out compared to the RS on Mane, Sallah, Milner, Robertson, Alexander. I’d like to see Rafa installed as manager. I don’t give a shit what he once called us. He’s won things. He’s tactically astute. He’s got a better CV than this club usually appoints. I think this season is showing what a good job he did keeping Newcastle in the division. Yesterday I said Rodgers would have been good for us. The point I was making was that a lot of our fans don’t want ex RS managers. I understand it but it is restricting our options. We need someone who has managed at the top level not some up-and-coming prospect.
Jay Harris
553 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:33:01
Soon our theme song of “If you know your history “ will become “If you know your ancient history “

We need some strong decisive action from the top down.

I still get the impression there are a number of different factions at work within the corridors of power so Mosh needs to empty Kenwright and his entourage out and get some ambitious football people in.

If we have such ambition let’s not stop at replacing the coach let’s go and get some top “football” talent at all levels

John Hammond
554 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:33:35
Darren Hind

Win percentage is a stat and while Unsworth's is good it can be misleading especially when it only covers 6 games in 2 different seasons. Just take his first game in charge - an utterly meaningless win on the last day of the season against a relegated Norwich.

Solksjaer is a perfect example. I think his percentage was 50% in the league before he became permanent but look at them now. What's it, 2 or 3 wins in 20 games?

Sam Bull
555 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:58:04

Siggy has been mainly bypassed by the last 3 managers!, Fat Sam and Koeman wanted the ball kicked over his head, this clown has it played out wide before getting anywhere near him, no point having a CAM.. maybe gets played into his feet on the edge of the box with back to goal now and again, or he might pick it up in the middle from a second ball now and again. but mostly played about until out to Coleman or Digne to cross it and one out of 20 crosses is any good. I by no means think he is the answer to our downfall, but if hes on the pitch lets get the ball to his feet as early as possible!, I think hes mainly in the team for set pieces, and tbf 9/10 times its a quality ball he puts in. I think someone had some stats on his assists that were not converted last season, and thats one of the main problems, The chances against Man City, Richie on the left, comes inside, plays it in siggy who lays its off to DCL, who misses the target.

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Bill Watson
556 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:07:33
Rob #547

I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager; that's why the club employs a DoF.

The team manager reports to Brands so Brands is ultimately in charge. I would expect the board, and Moshiri, will confer with Brands (who is also on the board) before making any decision on Silva.

A potential problem would be Brands recommending patience but Moshiri ignoring him and dismissing Silva, anyway. Brands goes to all the games, home and away, so will be aware of exactly how inept Silva's match management is. Surely, he must be as exasperated as the rest of us. If he recommends no action, and nothing improves, then his own credibility is on the line.

Compared to the cost of buying players, and the financial rewards of placings payments in the PL, sacking a manager can actually be financially positive.

Some posters have said we cannot afford to keep sacking managers; I think we can't afford not to.

In our case, I reckon any half decent manager would propel this team up the League so any compensation, due to Silva, will probably be a lot less than we'd lose in placings payments by keeping him on.

Colin Malone
557 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:11:16
We can all see Sigurdsson does not fit in the number 10 role. I for one was crying out for Gilfy to play in that position under big Sam and Koeman, I've been proved wrong by them both.

Sigurdsson doesn't suddenly become a bad player. Iwobi or Bernard should now be given the 10 role while Sigurdsson should be moved to a deeper position, instead of the square passing Schneiderlin and the one-footed Delph. I know I'm repeating myself but they are easy fixes for Silva try during this awful run.

As for supporters wanting Unsworth, get real. How many youngsters have reached the first team under Unsworth since Sheedy left?

Please guys print this. Season ticket holder for over 40 years. Wrote with passion and knowledge. Thanks.

Julian Exshaw
558 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:36:04
Jamie. Good evening mate. I totally get your points. My main point was that I simply don't accept that it's all the Portuguese's fault. I reckon Marco had a tough night last night and he appeared very nervous in his post match interviews while his faithful 14 yesterday got off scot- free. One issue I totally back you on is the question of Rafa becoming our next coach. This is one person I could never tolerate. Big and little Sam were enough for a lifetime.
Bill Watson
559 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:49:05
At the last AGM Moshiri said the (then) current mid table position was unacceptable given the level of investment in the team.

I wonder what he thinks now?

Derek Knox
560 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:53:59
Bill @556, good post there Bill, like you say it HAS to be done NOW, surely they at the decision end of the wedge have seen enough, as we the fans have.
Peter Neilson
561 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:03:57
Bill (559) I remember and it gives me some hope that a decision will be made for a change in the international break. What that change is, well over to Brands.
Jamie Crowley
562 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:07:01
Paddy Power has Moyes at 5/2 and the front-runner.

I'll jump out of a window.

Amit Vithlani
563 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:08:15
" In my opinion no youth coach, no matter how successful at that level, is even close to being qualified to take full charge of a Prem club."

When I read this quote, I was reminded of the old Arrigo Sacchi quote. "To be a jockey, I did not realise you had to have been a horse". He meant it ofcourse in the context of having no prior playing experience, but equally it could apply to having no previous managerial experience.

Thomas Tuchel, Julian Nagelsman, Florian Kohfeldt are pretty good examples of how Germany churns out very good managers. Appointed on the back of work done at youth level.

No, Unsy's lack of first team experience is absolutely no problem.

If he is going to face a problem, it's the strange desire to appoint a 'Big Name' has-been instead of him.

Benitez most recent work at Newcastle was a slightly less defensive version of Allardyce. Why would we want such a negative manager. Meanwhile Wenger is what, 70 years old?

Mourinho ? Please, spare me. Not only will he not come, but his inflated ego will dominate everything. At the first sniff of success - he will be off to a more glamorous club.

It's fine for me if Unsy misses out. But if the club is serious about achieving long term sustained success, we need someone with the talent and long term commitment, not one or the other.

Michael Lynch
564 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:08:59
Looks like we'll be competing with ManUre for a new manager the way things are going.
Jamie Crowley
565 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:12:43
Amen Amit, I couldn't agree more.

Rafa ain't coming. Moyes, God forbid. Mourihno never.

And all three play a derivative of defensive, insipid, uninspiring football.

Darren Hind's recollection of Unsy's time at the helm is more in keeping with my memory. Dead rubber games, got the younger kids in, we played with passion and intent.

I'm not saying he's the answer, hell I don't know.

But to say he wasn't successful enough to be considered again, for me, isn't looking at the whole picture.

Jamie Crowley
566 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:14:24
Holy shit Michael! I'm not watching the game, about to take the Mother-In-Law to a movie for her birthday with the Mrs.

If Newcastle win and we're in the relegation zone, I think we'll actually act now. I really do. I think Silva will get his walking papers Monday if that score holds.

Anthony A Hughes
567 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:22:31
Not read all tne comments but anyone suggesting Unsworth as our next manager has got to be living in fucking cloud cuckoo land. The man is nearly 50 with zero experience of first team football management. To remotely think he has the qualifications and experience go take us forward as a Premier League football club seriously
Peter Neilson
568 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:23:42
As Kenwright is back in the loop it wouldn't surprise me if we see the return of Moyes. Moshiri will panic as he did with Allardyce. Desperate stuff indeed.

January 2019:
"It has come back to where it was,” said Kenwright. “It wasn’t the same until Marcel came. I have a really close relationship with Marcel where we talk non-stop and we consult on most things. He doesn’t consult on everything but he is terrific to work with. Very straight and very down the line.

“I talk to Denise [Barrett-Baxendale, Everton’s chief executive] many times every day and I talk to Farhad more than anyone.

“I have always said what I want to be is the guy who looks after what Everton means to the fans and that is what I have only ever wanted to do. That is the job I will continue to do. Look after my Everton, which is now Farhad’s Everton.”

Craig Walker
569 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:24:28
Newcastle won. In bottom 3.
Jamie Crowley
570 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:25:38
Relegation reality 8 games in.

I think that's the last straw. I think Marco is fired by tomorrow.

We'll see.

Dire.

Paul Tran
571 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:26:24
Bill #556, completely agree with you. If we were playing well with a discernable pattern, hitting woodwork, losing to deflected goals, I could see the case for reticence.

On all those fronts, we're not. Silva is doing the Koemanesque death-rattle random team selection. Kean will not get 'experience' by coming on to join a deflated team that's just gone a goal behind with 15 mins left.

I think we have a half-decent squad that would challenge for top six if we had a manager who picks a positive team and communicates clear messages that are understood.

It's a bigger gamble to keep Silva. He isn't providing stability. Moshiri has set up the structure to make it easier to replace an underperforming manager.

Time for Brands to do his job. If (big if!) we get this right, top six is doable in this very mediocre league.

Quicker the better.

Anthony A Hughes
572 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:26:58
Planning permission to be submitted by the e d of the year? Clocks ticking boys
Kim Vivian
573 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:27:17
Hopefully Mosh will now smell the coffee. Someone tell me - when were we last in the bottom 3?
Christy Ring
574 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:28:49
We're in the bottom 3, and the redshite 8pts ahead, doesn't get much worse. Silva has to be sacked, hopefully tomorrow.
Kevin Molloy
575 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:28:55
actually, it's not that bad down here. we can have our own mini league, it'll get dead exciting come the Spring, Liverpool going for the league, and we can go for the championship
James Stewart
576 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:29:51
The sour grapes towards Benitez on here is laughable. To describe him as a defensive manager akin to the likes of Big Sam just shows your own ignorance. He is a pragmatist who had no choice but to grind out results at Newcastle due to the poor/terrible players at his disposal. He has won more trophies than our last 5 managers combined! He would be a vast improvement on anyone we have had in decades.

The cult of Unsworth needs nipping in the bud as well. We were an utter mess under him. Go back and read some of the match threads during his tenure if you have the stomach for it. Out of depth.

Bill Watson
577 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:31:17
If there's a good time to be in the bottom 3 it must be in early October. This will certainly concentrate minds at the top of the club.

No more excuses.

Mr Moshiri; NOW is the time to act. To delay is just putting off the decision.

Darren Hind
578 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:31:38
I see the under 23 manager has just had his odds slashed from 40/1 to 10/1 with Paddy Power.

Just saying.

I think those advocating Benitez need to grow a little pride. The fucker insulted out club on more than one occasion.

What will these people do if the jobs offered to him and he turns it down. They simply invite more shame

Sam Bull
579 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:32:34
Stadium News tomorrow!
Paul Tran
580 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:33:18
Wow, that's a big bet you stuck on, Darren!
Tony Hill
581 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:35:36
Yes, the decision lies with Brands and he's paid to get it right. He better had.
Jamie Crowley
582 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:35:49
Hahaha Paul! Too funny.

It's gotta happen now, surely?

Barry McNally
583 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:36:07
7 points off CL place!
Jamie Crowley
584 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:36:52
Unsworth through the International break so Brands can conduct some interviews.

The gallows is ready, pull the rope.

Craig Walker
585 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:37:19
Janes @576. Well said. Couldn’t agree more.
Bill Gall
586 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:39:15
Christy we are in the bottom 3 but the re---- te are 17 pts ahead
Darren Hind
587 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:39:15
I would like to see him get the job, Paul, but it aint going to happen mate. I wouldnt make that bet with somebody elses money

Although I am enjoying all the distorted stats and hysteria from the same people who were so against him last time around.

Some of the dreamers are in for a shock. This is a poison chalice. Any manager with a reputation to protect wouldnt touch it with a shitty stick.

Only a washed up manager with washed up ideas would take the job . .Either that or its another punt on a wannabe

Jamie Crowley
588 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:39:30
Why in the world is Chris Wilder 5/1?

Isn't he like married to Sheffield United?

Mike Doyle
589 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:43:17
I know it’s only 8 games in but this is seriously worrying considering the opposition we’ve faced.
Trying to remember when we were last in the bottom 3 in early October.Don’t think it got this bad with Koeman or Martinez.
Was it 94 when Mike Walker was sacked & replaced by Joe Royle?
Mike Gaynes
590 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:43:51
So let's take a quick look at what happened today. We dropped into the relegation zone and the title race became a blowout.

And all because of managers.

The barcodes just beat MU because Bruce, a shit manager by any standard, gave a Prem debut to a 19-year-old who won the game with a MotM performance.

Earlier Wolves won at City because Espirito Santo changed his alignment to funnel City's attack into certain areas and ticketed his players to counter at will. Then, with the game 0-0, he moved Traore -- one goal in 72 Prem games, but one of the fastest players in the world -- up top for those late counters. Traore scored twice.

Can anyone even imagine our manager doing anything like that? Of course not. Our 19-year-old rides the bench, and our alignment and strategy never change, no matter the opponent. And we would not have won either of those games.

The lack of quality on our touchline is just too obvious.

Jay Harris
591 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:46:09
Talk of Unsy or Moyes can only be down to BK and his culture of mediocrity.

Managing s bunch of kids does not prepare you in any way shape or form to manage international stars and go up against the best managers in the world.

Sam Hoare did an excellent expose of managers yesterday.

Personally I would be happy with anyone from Marcelino, Ten Hag or Nagelsmann.

You’ve also got serial winners like Ancelloti, Mourinho who have won things wherever they go but I don’t think we could tempt either and aJose would want to take over the club.

Bill Gall
592 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:48:35
How come Moyes name keep cropping up wasn't he fired from the last 2 teams he was at, and why do people think he will be able to do good at Everton, even Kendall struggled his second time around. Times change, systems and tactics change, cowards don't change, taking a knife to a gunfight attitude is not acceptable
Stephen Davies
593 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:51:47
If there is a new manager to be appointed, our league position will determine who that will be.
Ive seen different names been mentioned on here and other forums.
If anyone thinks that Allegri, Mourinho would touch us are delusional.
The first thing Moshiri will think about would be to protect his investment, hence his appointment of Allardyce. He now has the BMD Project to protect and he will not jeopardise that at all.
Im guessing Benitez would be high on a potential list of candidates...this is big business and hard nosed decisions need to be made.
Ken Kneale
594 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:52:58
He has to go now. This is a terrible situation given the perfect storm of terrible results against beatable opposition/lack of discernible progress in a style of play suitable for our traditions/demotivated players/erratic touchline behaviour from the manager etc etc. We are bottom three and deserve to be there with this guy.
Paul Tran
595 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:53:03
It'll be another punt on an 'up and coming' manager, Darren.

Anyway, if you want cheering up, here my big punting run of the day. I always back something against Bataash. I narrowed it down to Sestillio Jet & Glass Slippers. I only backed one of them - guess which one?

Aaaaaagggghhhh!

Peter Thistle
596 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:53:42
Sack Silva and all the coaches, tired of us hiring inexperienced old boys.
We can't retain possession, never mind build up play n score a goal. I despair.
What club would have Ebrell, Jeffers and Ferguson as coaches ? No wonder we're so shite.
Paul Hewitt
597 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:53:45
In the bottom 3 now. Any manager worth his salt, wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
Dave Abrahams
598 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:53:45
Mike (590),,I honestly didn’t expect Wolves to win at City, but equally I’m not all that surprised that they did, after watching City last week I knew, and said they would lose a few more games with that very poor central defence,
Chris Leyland
599 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:54:15
Admittedly we have had some shite managers and that’s why we are in the dire mess we are but, for feck’s sake, please not Unsworth. Nice bloke, good with the kids but as a statement of just how bad we are and how accepting of mediocrity we have become, Unsworth would Really sum it up.

Anyone saying a decent manager wouldn’t come to us. Well, can think of several million reasons why they might. Let’s reach for the stars rather than scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Mike Doyle
600 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:55:11
Mike #590. Another reason that our 19 year old rides the bench might be that er he isn’t actually that good. Based purely on the few minutes I’ve seen of him he looks pretty ordinary.

In other news our high profile young Spanish striker Sandro (remember him) missed a penalty earlier today - making it 2 years since he last found the net.

How do we do it?

Mike Gaynes
601 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:55:35
Oh for chrissakes, Darren #587, "distorted stats and hysteria"? You sound ridiculous. Let it drop already.

The only distorted stats are yours. I cited one statistic. One. His 2017 record as our manager. Eight games, two wins. Thought it was relevant.

And you took that one statistic and sliced it and diced it and julienned it like a TV chef creating a salad. This one was a dead rubber and that one was something else and Joe Royle and whatever. And you even added a cherry tomato on top by tossing in the one game he managed two seasons earlier -- talk about distorting the stats, if somebody else had done that you'd have melted them down with derision.

You think the best guy to come in and save the season is a youth coach with 9 games of top-tier managerial experience? Rock on. All the best to ya. Glad you didn't put money on it.

Mike Gaynes
602 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:01:13
Dave #598, yes and the one additional item I forgot to credit to Espirito Santo was that he clearly had instructed his attackers to run at Otamendi. Raul just took him apart on the first goal. Our manager doesn't even look at the opposition, let alone attack their weaknesses.

Mike #600, anybody would look ordinary in our current attacking setup and coaching structure. I saw him play several times last spring for Juventus, and trust me, he is anything but ordinary. I hope our next manager gives him the opportunity to show it.

Christy Ring
603 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:01:17
I see Ramirez had his first chance today, to score his first goal in years, unluckily his penalty cleared the crossbar and the stand.
Ash Moore
604 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:05:26
No way did I see us in this position at this stage of the season.

The away support has given up. The players look to have done the same. I suspect that with the money he's owed and the damage to his reputation Marco will need to be blasted out - a resignation is unthinkable.

These are dark dark days.

Darren Hind
605 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:07:53
That some protest Mike. . perhaps a little too much.

I wasnt even talking about you, but seeing as you pipe up

You piled in spouting stats with total disregard for the underlying facts. You didnt even know you were talking about dead rubbers.

I'll be happy to drop this, though as I've had a conversation which leads me to believe Silva will be given more time.
I'll talk about the next manager again when this one has gone.

Ash Moore
606 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:11:16
Darren do you think it's time for Marco to go?

Brent Stephens
607 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:13:19
Cheeky question, Ash. I think the answer might just be "yes".
Michael Lynch
608 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:13:55
A pair of local brothers the heroes of the Barcodes victory, one of them scoring in the Gallowgate end on his debut. What wouldn't I give for a story like that at Goodison.

Dire days, terrible days. This is a new low for us.

I think it would be madness to try to appoint a long-term manager now because nobody would be available, so it looks likes it maybe Call Unsie time again. I honestly can't see what else could happen.

Stephen Davies
609 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:19:37
Jay #591
Really?
What makes you think anyone of them would seriously come to a team in the bottom 3 ?
Denis Richardson
610 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:21:33
Well, bar codes win officially puts us in the relegation zone.

Enough is enough. Get this guy and his staff out.

Rob Marsh
611 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:27:23
Bill Watson # 556

"I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager"

Bill, you've contradicted yourself in your above statement, If she knows as much as other male board members (which she doesn't (Brands or Kenwright)), then why did she bother employing Brands? Have a look at her past employment, where's the football knowledge?

And then you say: "that's why the club employs a DoF. "

Yes I was correct in my first post she hasn't got a clue what makes a winning football manager, that's why the club employed Brands.

If Brands says to the board Silva isn't good enough, then he isn't good enough, the board have to act on this. By doubting Brands they the board would be stating we think we know more about what makes a good manager than you, what's the point in having him as a DoF?

The only time the board should be involved is for the financial side of any dismissal, both paying of the old manager and the costings for a new one.

There's no point in having a DoF if they won't act on his advice.

Kim Vivian
612 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:28:42
Moshiri has to do or say something (preferably do). I hope he sleeps well knowing there are at least 100,000 pairs of eyes on him.
Rob Marsh
613 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:29:01
Jamie # 562

I'll jump out of that window with you if he's the best we can do.

Peter Laing
614 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:32:33
Bottom three and still no sign of activity from the board. Clueless at best.
Rob Marsh
615 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:42:59
Fooking hell bottom 3!

In one season we're relegated and they win the Prem, CL and heaven knows what else.

The glass is definitely half empty for me at the moment for me.

"Don't Panic, Don't Panic!"

It's not corporal Jones we should be listening to, it's his Scottish squadie mate private Frazer we should listen to:

"We're Doomed, Doomed!!!!"

Danny Baily
616 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:43:39
I hope we can make an appointment soon that we consider to be our next manager on a permanent basis. Ostensibly we did this when we hired Sam Allardyce

A stop gap would be a mistake. Also, the world of football has moved around Moyes while he has stood still. Reappointing him would likely prove to be a mistake.

Tom Bowers
617 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:44:52
You just knew City would blow it today after RS get another 3 points by virtue of yet another of God's last minute miracles.
They are turning the Prem. into a one horse race even now at a time when the Blues are easy meat for every crap team around.
I know, I know, Everton are a crap team themselves but the signs are ominous and Moshiri doesn't seem to care just yet.
What the hell is it going to take, swallow your pride Moshiri and admit your mistake. Get shut of the man now.
Andrew Clare
618 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:58:22
With the exception of Joe Royle we haven’t had a decent manager since Howard Kendall’s first stint.
Moyes was ok if you wanted a mid table manager but I think we should at least try to go better than that.
The fact is that very few managers can provide a club with sustained success.
Whoever a club hires it is a big risk.
I really wanted Silva to succeed but I just don’t think he is flexible enough with his tactics. We are just so predictable. I know it’s not good to hire and fire on a regular basis but unfortunately he has to go. The question then is ; who the hell do we hire?
Syd Mavo
619 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:03:46
How ironic, the kids were watching trading places on Amazon and I caught the last scene, Eddie Murphy coming across old Mortimer and Randolph who are now down and outs, penniless and dossing under a bush having lost there fortunes to Eddie Murphy, this got me thinking?

give it another transfer window or so and Moshiri and Usmanov could well trade places and become old Morte and Randolph themselves and end up potless if they carry on running Everton the way they have.

In fact, Kenwright can blacken up and become the Eddie Murphy character who fleeces the pair of them and heads off into the sunset trousering a fortune!

How Moshiri must wish he stayed in and watched the telly instead of meeting Billy bullshitter for a soup in the Tai Pan.

Mick Conalty
620 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:06:49
Tom #617 Our only consolation is the RS are the most hated team in the prem. Because of the media RS arse licking.
Rob Marsh
621 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:12:25
Mick # 620

They will not give a flying F about the lack of Love towards them if they lift the Prem and/or CL.

I'm looking forward to the derby like never before.

Bill Watson
622 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:21:59
Rob # 611

I posted, "I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager; that's why the club employs a DoF".

You've completely missed my point which was that none of us have any experience of choosing a PL football manager including the other board members.

I said that was Brands role and that he was on the board. Why single out Denise?

If you must be pedantic then, yes, I should have said "knows as much as other board members...excluding Brands and Kenwright (who I admit I forgot about) but I thought that would have been clear to most people.

Andy Crooks
623 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:25:01
Peter Thistle @596, the most pertinent post on this thread. Three no marks, with not a fucking thing on their coaching C. Vs, scrounging a living from our club. The epitome of the vomit inducing, saccharine sentiment that oozes through Everton. Jobs for the boys, blue Bill, teary eyed, toe curling, amateur, self serving, jaw dropping shite.
When Silva gets booted out the " legend" and his fellow freeloaders must go with him.
Peter Neilson
624 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:31:53
Mourinho will have no interest in us, Benitez likewise. Bill will go for Moyes. Those old jeans used to fit me. Out of fashion but comfortable. If I breathe in.
Nigel Munford
625 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:36:25
So we’re in the bottom three, oh dear how did it come to this eh??
Mick Davies
626 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:40:50
Just wondering if anyone else watched the Palace game with 'Blood and guts' McCarthy making his first start for 20 months!! Seemed to be in a more advanced role, got kicked in the face after about 5 mins, treated, 'ran' back on to the pitch, had the first decent shot in the game from 25 yards that the keeper had to parry away, controlled the middle of the park, fought like a gladiator for 80 mins then was taken off covered in sweat - why would a manager let a player like that go, (especially after Gana left) when all we have now are gutless prima donnas with no heart in the game? SackSilvaNow
Anthony A Hughes
627 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:41:16
This has been coming slowly bit by bit for years of wasteful mismanagement.
Tony Abrahams
628 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:48:48
Every time I see Schniederlin ambling through a game, I ask the same question as Mick@626.

Gerry Ring
629 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:58:47
Mick @ 626. To me, as can be seen tediously in a lot of my posts, the fact that Silva discarded McCarthy without giving him a chance or loaning him out to see how he might perform and by playing Schneiderlein ahead of him, is enough evidence to prove that he isn't fit to manage a public lavatory.

He then sold him for a pittance. I always believed that McCarthy had much more to his game than we saw at Everton.

Silva makes my blood boil because he's a complete fraud with a woeful record. Who the hell believed that he could be a success at Everton having fucked up most other clubs he managed? Shameful!

Andy Crooks
630 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:03:51
Well said, Gerry Ring. Absolutely spot on.
Mick Conalty
631 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:05:36
Rob #621. Another reason the RS are hated by the fans, apart from the media fawning, is the fact that they are jammy bastards, have been for as long as I can remember.
John Malone
632 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:20:21
Mick 626, I never wanted McCarthy to do go for all his limitation's going forward with the ball his tenacity desire and work rate was second to none.

But I do have to admit we had the benefit of watching him at his fully fit confident best and seeing his strengths and weaknesses over a period of seasons.

Silva came in after his terrible injury and, reading between the lines of his best friend at Everton Coleman's comments, he wasn't playing to nowhere near the level he could in training and didn't do very well on the pitch in what little time Silva gave him.

So I can see why the decision was made but I knew for a fact when he was back to his fully fit best, he would be a cracking signing for Palace – you just can't beat work rate and steel in the midfield.

Ken Kneale
633 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:30:59
Gerry Ring. Never a truer word written. Add Kenwright, Ferguson and the other frauds to the list that have gotten us to this sad state of affairs
Andrew Grey
634 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:33:10
Sorry to put a downer on the downer but if things stay the same I could see us having 13 points at Christmas. :(
Tony Abrahams
635 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:41:25
Remember the song Andrew? Although you would have to be at least 30, if you do!

“Going down? Are we fuck, We'll stay up and win the cup!”

But only if we do as John says @632 and find some work-rate and steel in our midfield... Please!

Rob Marsh
636 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:49:35
Tony #635,

I can't see many decent players wanting to come to us in the next window to give us that steel.

We'll need to find it from within; god help us!

Raymond Fox
637 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:40:01
Moshiri won't sack Silva, at least not yet he won't. With our recent history the best managers won't touch us with a barge pole, so who would we get, another second-tier wanabe we'd be swopping like for like again.

Looking at our squad there's very little quality that Silva can bring in that's going to suddenly transform us. Our summer transfer business is looking more and more ropey.

Surely behind the scenes at the club the Moshiri, Brands and Silva will be discussing why things are going wrong and what Silva can do to bring improvement at least in the short term.

As for relegation I don't think for one moment we will be this season; yeah, the season's not looking great, but relegation? No.

Rob Marsh
638 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:50:02
Raymond # 637

Based on the value of the team/squad, I would say relegation is unlikely as well, but too much complacency is dangerous.

Brian Porter
639 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:51:37
As soon as the Newcastle result was confirmed, the board should have acted, dismissing Silva and issuing a statement saying the usual bollocks, thanking him for his efforts (what efforts?), and saying the search for a new manager has begun.

Why don't the powers that be at Everton have any guts? Can't they see what's happening? Do they seriously believe Silva is suddenly going to change and start playing the type of football he promised us when he was appointed? If so, they are as delusional as Silva is.

He is totally bereft of ideas, he's had more than enough time to produce a team that plays his way... oops, sorry, he's done that and look where it's got us.

As Lyndon calls it on another thread, we're in a death spiral and will be as long as Silva remains as manager.

Please, please, Mr Moshiri, if you care anything about the club, or anything about the money you'll lose when we fall into the Championship, act NOW, and give us a chance to save our skins and our Premier League status, which we sure won't do with Silva at the helm.

Ffs, have you seen the man's body language on the touchline? Head in hands in despair, sitting in the dugout, head down looking beaten, or standing on the touchline, hands in pockets, coat done up to the neck, looking as if he's about to burst into tears?

All those postures are those of someone who is out of their depth, someone with no idea what to do, and someone who is completely lost and has no idea what direction he should be taking. Is it any wonder the players are uninspired and lacking motivation?

Silva couldn't motivate diarrhea off a wet shovel. Get rid of the fraud, please before it's too late. If we go down, forget Bramley-Moore Dock, because there'll be nobody left to fill it and you can kiss your millions goodbye.

John Armstrong
640 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:55:50
There was a good article from the Independent two years ago, linked on another forum:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sacking-managers-pointless-stats-slaven-bilic-west-ham-premier-league-a8044586.html

To summarise its points:

1) Luck plays a part, and managers tend to be sacked when in the midst of an unlucky period. The 'new manager' bounce is explainable by regression to the mean back to the average expected results (though I think it may be more complex than that and presumably some player psychology plays a part).

2) Following on from the first point, luck accounts for 50% of the result, due to football being a relatively low-scoring game compared with other sports.

3) Results (and so final league position) are 90 % correlated with wages. Some of you will be familiar with this, as I have seen it posted on here many times before. We are (I think) about 7th in wages, so this is where we should 'expect' to finish. Unless you take into account the most salient point for this debate,which is point number..

4) Changing managers mid-season won't normally have any affect, as statistically, most managers are of 'middle ability' and so won't be able to have any real impact on the where the team finishes, due to (3). Only 10% or so of managers are 'elite', and of course, most of them are likely to be currently employed. The chance of attracting an elite manager who is currently unemployed is therefore quite low.

So what can we take from this? I think its evident that Silva is currently underachieving with this squad, based on money spent and wages paid (the wages/league position correlation just highlights what a good job Moyes did although some on here seem blind to that - but I'm not advocating his return in any way). Having said that, we are only 8 games in and the table is still quite tight, and I think we should have enough quality to steer clear of trouble.

If we accept that, in the majority of cases, most managers are only of 'average ability', and you will probably finish where you expect to in terms of financial outlay, then it becomes apparent that getting the next managerial appointment right is crucial. Liverpool (sorry to have to mention them) are 2nd in terms of wages paid, but have that vital ingredient that will probably see them win the league - a manager who is in that top 10% - someone who can make his team overperform or outperform where they should be. I don't think Silva is in that bracket - far from it, but can we, as a football club, attract that calibre of manager?

I think Silva will get to the West Ham game, at least, but if I was Brands, I would be asking him questions: about his set piece record (shows stubbornness and/or lack of ability to get instructions across to players), his failure to win from a losing position in 20 or so games (lack of leadership and failure to engender a never-say-die attitude and inability to comtemplate losing - the 'run through a brick wall' attitude which is a vital part of any successful team), and also asking him - 'can you take this team further than we may expect to go - can you make us more than the sum of our parts'?

I don't think Silva is the man, but can we, as a football club, attract the quality of manager to take us that bit further, to drive us beyond what we might think we are capable of? And of course instill that in the players, so that they really believe it? Is there a manager out there for us that can do that? That is the question. I hope the answer is that there is such a person out there, and that we can find him, persuade him, install him, and support him. We must hope we find the right one.

Chris Gould
641 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:06:48
Silva will be in the dugout against West Ham. It's a game I fancy us to win, and one that may boost confidence and lead to a decent run of results. I actually believe we'll perform better against the big 6, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us beat Spurs at home.

I think we'll beat West Ham, draw at Brighton, beat Watford in the cup, and beat Spurs. The crisis will be over.

He's driving me nuts and stubbornly refusing to try anything brave or different, but he believes in his methods and seems to be a manager that, when it clicks, it clicks.

I think he'll recover enough to see out the season, but he has an awful lot to prove, as does Brands. The summer recruitment left us woefully short, and our starting eleven is worse than last season's.

Eddie Dunn
642 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:27:42
Chris,

it would be nice if it happened, but I have hoped for a turn-around in every game in this poor run, and you know what? It doesn't change. It just repeats.

I wouldn't be surprised if the board hold fire because it would be a damn site easier for them if Silva bucks the trend. Giving him till the end of the season is a lot less work than finding a replacement without tapping-up allegations and huge pay-offs to Silva and the club his replacement comes from (if he is employed).

I hope Marco does turn it round and we can sort out the mess in the summer.

Jerome Shields
644 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:42:30
Trevor Peers,

It's the same story with the same ending no matter who the Manager is. Why?

Anthony Murphy
645 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:44:19
Surely a defeat against West Ham at home will be the final straw? Another home defeat. The fans will turn nasty and Moshiri will be left with no choice.

If we win, it buys Silva a little bit of time, but a defeat and it's got to be game over. The international break gives Brands & Moshiri a chance to plan for his departure...

Christy Ring
646 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:54:56
Mick @626

I watched the game, because McCarthy started, and because he's a favourite of mine. As always got stuck in, Noble nearly took his head off, gave it everything for 80 mins, in an advanced role, a true professional.

John @632, how can you say, he didn't do it in training, or on the pitch in Silva's time?? He was fully fit, and Silva never gave him a chance, gave him 20 mins against Man Utd, but picked Schneiderlin ahead of him, who was sent home from training, because of his attitude. That's what's in charge as manager

Jerome Shields
647 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:23:28
Christy #646

He went out of favour at Everton and was better to move on. Should have played in February last season, sat on the bench once. Could have made a real difference then.

Andrew Keatley
648 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:39:17
Chris Gould (641),

This sea-change in fortune you speak of... what is Silva going to do to turn our fortunes around? Oh, just more of the same, is it?

But this time it's going to work, and the players that are conceding cheap goals and failing to create meaningful chances let alone score them are suddenly going to click and go on a four-game unbeaten run.

Unfortunately the evidence points to the opposite. I suspect that, if Silva is given the next four games, we will be even deeper in this crisis. We all wish that the corner is moments away but, under Silva, I now fully believe that it just will not come.

Filipe Torres
649 Posted 07/10/2019 at 01:27:51
Jamie #539,

Richarlison ain't a dribbler, ain't creative, ain't a good crosser or a particularly good passer. I don't get it why people would think of him as a wonderkid winger or striker?

He has good stamina, shooting and strength but he ain't strong in the air, 10 years from now people would think of him as a "good" player but not the world class player we were told/thought he was.

I believe that there's way too much dust in the air these days; and players are constantly being sold (by all means) by their agents that it's truly hard to find the gems, covered by all these ash.

I don't have a coaching badge but I would tell Silva exactly what are his players/system weakness and strengths (if any). I'm not sure he would listen, though, because these guys know it all, don't they??

Mick Davies
650 Posted 07/10/2019 at 02:06:28
Christy @ 646, totally agree with everything you said. I thought when Gana left us, we'd have a replacement and a recuperating Macca as back up. Now we have neither.

If that isn't mismanagement, then Mike Walker was a tactical genius; at least we beat some team 6-2. Under this clown, we couldn't hope to beat Marine or Cammell Laird by that score

Stephen Jones
651 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:24:47
John Armstrong #640. Spot on!
Let's also cast our minds back to the summer. Optimism over signings, time to kick on and embark on top 4 challenge. Not forgetting tail end of last season where zonal marking inadequacies had been addressed.
We have copious talent in this SQUAD. It just needs bringing out. If you were a player in this team would you prefer the adulation or the ire of the crowd? I.e. no player goes out there to deliberately perform poorly.
So, there is a lack of understanding and or belief in what they are being asked to do, further undermined by a string of poor results.
I think command of the language is a factor based on what Silva spouts in pre/ post match interviews. Might be beneficial to the Portugese contingents but that in itself could be devisive from a team perspective. Communication is everything!
Silva doesn't seem to possess the skill set to turn this around through changing (communication) so we have to look to another right now imo.
Given John Armstrong's post claiming that only 10 percent of managers are elite and therefore unlikely to unemployed, we would be forced to set sights lower. The last successful manager with a respectable track record until he went to MU was English speaking and plain speaking at that. Eddie Howe for me. An intelligent guy who can adapt to a situation. I'd be very surprised if he couldn't get a tune out of our guys. He'd be hungry to try too.

Ian Linn
652 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:42:46
Very poor, we look like a bunch of players who have never played together before.

Don't want to jump on the ' Silva out" bandwagon but we have good players, looks like they just don't know what to do.

I run a big team at work, I tell them specifically what I need from they, they deliver, we get a result.

Mike Gaynes
653 Posted 07/10/2019 at 06:04:01
"We all wish that the corner is moments away..."

Andrew #648, agreed but please pick a different metaphor. Right now the word corner strikes reflexive terror into my heart.

Or, as the NBCSN commentator said Saturday, "Corner to Burnley. Which makes every Everton fan want to hide under the couch."

Jack Convery
654 Posted 07/10/2019 at 07:12:21
All I know is that Siggy and Morgan should not be picked again by Silva as they will cost him his job if he continues to do so. The midfield needs to be Davies, Delph, and Gomes. Upfront Bernard, Richarlson and iwobi. 4 3 3. The defence takes care of itself due to a lack of choice. In January to state the bloody obvious a Central Defender, a box to box midfielder with pace and a proper centre forward who knows how to play the position are all required. To coin a phrase its not bloody rocket science is it ?
Chris Gould
655 Posted 07/10/2019 at 08:05:17
Andrew #648
He'll be given the chance to turn things around, and in fairness he's done it before when he was also written off by many.
It's been a strange season, with only one team showing real consistency. Spurs and Man Utd are also a shambles.
I'm not a huge fan of Silva, and I'm as disappointed as anyone, but we've all seen moments such as this many times before. If the team is united then they can turn it around. Sometimes it just takes one result to work as a catalyst. One player to do something which sparks it.
I'm not writing him off just yet. I like an underdog story.
Brent Stephens
656 Posted 07/10/2019 at 08:21:59
Mike #653 "Corner to Burnley. Which makes every Everton fan want to hide under the couch."

Couches at Burnley, Mike? For the away fans? They'll be providing champagne ice buckets next (I have to take my own at the moment).

Roman Sidey
657 Posted 07/10/2019 at 08:42:51
It's encouraging that a decent amount of people see that Unsworth would be a bad decision. I can't for the life of me understand, aside from some perverse nostalgia of a time when the club was awful, how anyone thinks he's right for the job. This is a man who played professionally in bad teams for 17 years, and has now been in management/coaching of some capacity for almost 10. Ex-players who are impressive prospects have full-time jobs as a first-team manager by that point. Why doesn't he? Has he been uninspiring in his interviews? Has he lacked the ambition to go and get a first-team job that isn't Everton? I'd assume the answer to both questions is yes.
Simon Smith
658 Posted 07/10/2019 at 10:39:44
Mick @ 650

In fairness silva has won 5-1 and 4-0, which is effectively the same as 6-2. However don’t see this as me defending him as I’m certainly not.

Mick Davies
659 Posted 07/10/2019 at 19:02:49
Simon @ 658, true, but I couldn't see it happening now. We are sinking faster than Moshiri's bank balance, and what's scary is, 'The Clueless One' has done this twice before: Watford sacked him and survived; Hull didn't.
Denis Richardson
660 Posted 07/10/2019 at 20:26:06
John 640 - interesting points although I would say when Moyes was with us we actually had a top 7/8 wage bill and our average league finish under Moyes was I believe 7th - so actually he was bang on where he should have been. Some really decent seasons above and some not so decent below. (People think Moyes didn't have much money because we didn't spend much on transfers but we actually had one of the highest wage bills - which as you say correlates very well with league position, much more so than transfer spend.)

On Silva, if the guy isn't the right person then the 'who will be next?' question should not be stopping Silva getting sacked. Yes, a new manager is disruptive but at least a) the new manager bounce will hopefully get a few decent results on the board meaning we climb the table to safety and get some confidence back in the squad; and b) a new manager may well turn out to be 'the one'.

As the saying goes, if you don't at first succeed, try and try again – that also goes for getting the right person in the dugout. If a player doesn't work out you get rid and replace. Why can we not do that with the manager?

As has been mentioned several times on the site, the actual cost of sacking a manager and paying out comp as well as whatever is needed to attract a new person is actually a lot less than we pay for the average first-team player. Incredible really when the manager is arguably the most important person at the club.

There is absolutely no point imo in keeping Silva – there will be no turnaround. Losing regularly to bottom-half clubs, home and away, is not something that's going to magically fix itself. We didn't lose these games because of luck, we lost because on the whole we haven't been good enough. Luck happens now and again, losing consistently cannot be down to luck. The players don't seem to be playing for him and he doesn't seem to have a clue what to do. He's like a fish out of water flapping around waiting to be put out of his misery. We have very decent players on paper but, as a team, it simply isn't working. Tactics, teamwork, pride, moral - whatever it is, it's simply not there.

FWITW Moyes and Unsworth should be nowhere near the role once it becomes available. The former is well well past it and the latter isn't premiership material and is very happy in his comfort zone. He looked like a rabbit in headlights when he was caretaker a couple of years ago. Let him do what he does best with the kids.

Rob Marsh
661 Posted 07/10/2019 at 21:15:54
Dennis # 660

The wage bill now is 7th.

Not much has changed other than we're spending it less wisely.

Denis Richardson
662 Posted 07/10/2019 at 21:59:29
Rob @661 - I agree re now; I was referring to our level when Moyes was here as John's post made out Moyes was performing far ahead of our wage bill when in actual fact we had one of the highest, even in his reign.

We'll never (in my lifetime anyway, I hope) get to the stage where we have players earning £250k+ per week, like most of the teams in the top 6 (Spurs excepted). I think we're more like joint 6th right now as we were only very slightly behind Spurs at the end of the 2018-19 season, both pretty much on the same wage bill. The other 5 were miles ahead of the rest. Thanks to recent recruitment since Silva's been here, we now have half a dozen players over the £100k/week mark and a few others in the £80k and £90k range, so we may even be above Spurs now.

Our Premier League position currently is a complete farce when compared to our wage bill.

John Armstrong
663 Posted 08/10/2019 at 12:47:24
Denis, yes, I probably should have checked the level of our wage bill when Moyes was in charge – I think I thought it was lower given the amount of penny-pinching we had to do at the time.

The main point though, was that the next guy in charge has to be 'above average' or even 'elite' if we are to consistently finish ahead of where we are projected to in relation to the wage bill. Can we attract that calibre of manager is the question?

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