Theo Walcott was on the subs bench after recovering from a bout of illness
Liverpool 5 - 2 Everton
Everton started the 234th Merseyside derby starstruck by Liverpool's attacking quality, pace and accuracy that saw them score 4 simple goals in the first half, and surely now forcing the Everton hierarchy to sack Marco Silva.
It's an unchanged side for Everton tonite, with Calvert-Lewin up front on his own against the massed red defenders. No surprises on the bench. No place for any upcoming scouse midfielders who might have relished the challenge of this local rivalry.
Liverpool kicked-off and got the ball upfield, their pacey movement already challenging the Everton defence. But Everton responded by getting the ball up the other end via route one to Calvert-Lewin and the Blues held the Reds in check reasonably effectively.
Sigurdsson stole the ball well and advanced, but Calvert-Lewin could do nothing but lose the ball and Liverpool went up the other end, that menace Origi rounding Pickford and scoring far too easily.
The utter wastefulness, whenever Everton did get the ball, was maddening, just gifting it back to the Red shirts so that they could swarm forward again. Liverpool showed their long ball over the top would create instant panic in the moribund Everton defence.
Digne did get forward and crossed accurately to Van Dijk's feet. Davies tried one of his raking forward passes, straight to another red shirt. Keane, forced to do the same, let Lallana in but he handled the ball.
Davies got smashed over by Robertson, initiating an early bout of Handbags, Dean giving Everton the free-kick. But a brilliant ball from the back out to Mane saw him jink and dink through the Blues defence, setting it up for Shaquiri to slot home with ease under zero pressure from a dismal Everton backline.
Richarlison headed over form a corner, but then won a free-kick wide on the left, which went out for another corner, worked short and eventually through from Iwobi to Keane, who did brilliantly to beat the defender and clip it over Adrian into the Liverpool net.
The Blues showed more signs of life, penetrating the Liverpool area but kept making crucial mistakes, giving the ball away again and again with poor passes. Digne crossed with Calvert-Lewin marshalled by Van Dijk, Adrian catching it cleanly.
Iwobi played in Calvert-Lewin to run at goal, he was clearly fouled by Van Dijk as he shot, penalty and red card... No, not even a VAR check. Digne's foot was trodden on by Alexander-Arnold. More horribly scrappy midfield play saw Everton pushed back.
Liverpool got better control of the ball and mounted a sustained attack on the Everton area after Mane had tumbled over Sidibe's hip: no penalty check.
Richarlison was lat with his challenge on Robertson and was the first name in Mike Dean's boo. And another long ball from Loveren over everyone found Origi, one touch and another easy easy goal.
Keane had to foul Origi in the centre-circle as the Blues became increasingly desperate. Silva decided to act, Bernard coming on for Sidibe in a rare change of formation: can't score? Pile on attackers. But Everton were in chaos at the back, more desperate intervention preventing Shaquiri's second goal.
Mane again sliced open the Everton defence but his cross was too close to Pickford. Everton worked the ball in well but Iwobi's shot was very wasteful. Davies did well to release Calvert-Lewin who was pushed over by Roberston, for a fair set-piece chance, but Sigurdsson's flat delivery was still too high for the Everton players and the in the second phase, the cross was sloppily overhit out of play.
Everton should have scored a second When Richarlison powered in a low cross but Lovren touched it away from Calvert-Lewin for a corner that saw the Blues shape all over the place as Liverpool galloped up the other end, Mane scoring easily again.
But Everton finally put together a decent move, Bernard crossing for Richarlison to score off his shoulder. Half-time: Everton score 2 at Anfield... but Everton torn apart by Liverpool time and again for 4 far too simple goals.
Everton restarted the game, and help the home side at bay, getting a dangerous set-piece chance when Richarlison was clattered but Digne fired it off target. Liverpool attacked, winning a series of corners after shots were blocked, Van Dijk getting the sandwich treatment on one of them.
Origi threw himself to the ground under minor contact from Mina, Liverpool called for offside after the free-kick. Keane tackled Mane a little too robustly, giving away another free-kick as Kean was readied for through the customary lengthy pre-sub lecture.
Kean finally replaced Calvert-Lewin and soon won a corner with some strong work down the flank. But it was Richarlison who got on the end of Sigurdsson's decent corner, heading it too close to Adrian this time.
Everton mounted a half-hearted attack thanks in part to some new energy from Kean, the ball falling to Davies for a poorly hit half-volley. Davies caught Alexader-Arnold and got a yellow card.
Davies gave the ball away in the middle and Liverpool were quick to attack but the Blues defended better this time. Kean showed some fine physicality against Wijnaldum.
With a two-goal deficit to 'protect', Silva then replaced Davies with Schneiderlin, aware perhaps of his yellow card and how much the youngster had tired on Sunday.
After a long spell of nothing football, Everton won a corner going into the last 10 mins and again saw the ball go all the way to the other goal, Mane missing a sitter for 5-2.
On another decent Everton attack, Digne clipped the ball to the far post but there was none there. A couple of corners threatened briefly but again Liverpool broke, Man e through again but Holgate caught him as he rounded Pickford and foiled him. At the other end, Kean's best chance for his first Everton goal finally came but, with time and space, he drove it hopelessly wide.
Both sides were still attacking but the goals were not coming as easily as in the frist half and it was not until the 90th minute that the final dagger to the heart was executed by Wijnaldum... and hopefully also to the festering corpse of dead-duck manager, Marco Silva... his goose surely now well and truly cooked.
Scorers: Origi (6', 31'), Shaqiri (17'), Mané (45'), Wijnaldum (90'); Keane (21'), Richarlison (45+3')Liverpool: Adrian, Alexander-Arnold (84' Gomez), Lovren, van Dijk, Robertson, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Milner, Shaqiri, Mane, Origi (73' Firmino).
Subs: Keita, Salah, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Kelleher.
Everton: Pickford, Sidibe (33' Bernard), Holgate, Mina, Keane, Digne, Davies [Y:67'] (71' Schneiderlin), Sigurdsson (c), Iwobi, Richarlison [Y:30], Calvert-Lewin (60' Kean).
Subs not Used: Lössl, Baines, Walcott, Tosun.
Referee: Mike Dean
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1 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:19:43
2 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:20:41
3 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:21:24
He then perseveres with it against poorer opposition and ditches it against better opposition.
4 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:21:25
5 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:22:45
6 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:23:55
7 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:25:01
8 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:25:30
9 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:27:29
Our team is better than everyone on Amazon is saying. No one gives us a chance. Obviously not even klipperty. Bows the time for us to prove everyone wrong. If that doesnt motivate you, what will?
10 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:31:10
11 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:33:18
I for one believe the words of Sidibe earlier this week. A pro sports person relishes these sorts of challenges, a chance to pit yourself against the very best. A chance to become a lifelong hero in 90 minutes.
Tonight is the night.
We can be heroes, even if it is just for one day.
Get it done, Blues.
12 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:33:47
13 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:37:30
14 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:39:33
15 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:40:34
16 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:44:01
17 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:45:40
18 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:46:28
19 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:51:32
20 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:52:46
What line up would you have preferred?
21 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:53:49
22 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:54:49
23 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:55:28
Id love to beat these tonight!
24 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:03:14
Im watching Premier Sports 1 & had to switch over to watch Utd v Spurs due to the sickening pre match bullshit about redshite. Pathetic!
25 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:08:42
Its nauseating! There are two teams playing and Im not exaggerating but 95% of the air time has been devoted to blowing smoke up their arse!
Would it be too much to ask to spoil the love in? Surely we all deserve a break?!
26 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:10:27
27 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:11:21
I hope I eat these words, the Moshiri - WTF?
28 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:13:04
29 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:22:01
30 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:23:21
32 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:26:06
33 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:28:28
34 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:28:42
35 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:30:57
36 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:33:10
Moyes in tomorrow then.
38 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:36:31
39 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:36:48
40 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:40:11
41 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:46:29
42 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:47:48
43 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:48:59
Defence is shot to pieces...Why not put Moise on, their defence has nothing to do?
Its a practice match.
44 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:50:13
45 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:51:40
46 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:52:30
47 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:52:32
48 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:57:18
49 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:02:43
A Board of dithering buffoons and a team of weaklings, mental and physical.
We had serious chances to make a game of this and we have bottled it and melted (what a shock).
They can all fuck off.
50 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:03:55
Apparently not Steve. What a shower of shithouses these players are, the club a total laughing stock from top to bottom.
51 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:04:07
52 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:05:06
Its worth watching to see who has the pride to keep fighting and so who we can keep from the wreckage of Silvas Everton.
53 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:05:43
54 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:07:08
55 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:07:28
56 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:21
57 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:29
58 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:45
59 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:09:19
60 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:09:31
61 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:10:01
62 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:13:00
63 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:16:13
64 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:17:40
65 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:18:55
66 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:19:50
67 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:20:00
68 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:21:36
69 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:21:48
That defensive set up is just dreadful, non-league standard. The players look like they're absolute strangers. Woeful. Woeful.
COYB - ignore the idiot in the dugout and play with some pride and get something from this game.
70 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:22:11
If we had a terrible team I could take this. But we don't, we actually have more technically proficient footballers than we usually take to Anfield. 2 goals isn't to be sniffed at.
But we can't do the absolute basics. Nowhere near it.
That's the manager and he needs a miracle in this half to save his job.
71 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:23:24
Klopp has clearly done his homework. Against this Everton, a nominal back five or a flat back four, with the 'midfield' it has in front of it, guile, possession, ground passing through us from back to front is not necessary.
Land the ball in the right area from a long ball to turn the Everton defence in the gap between our back line and the keeper, with runners coming on to the ball from deep, and you will score goals. With ease.
Personally, I perfectly understand why Sidibe was the one sacrificed. He was permanently in advance of our nominal midfield on virtually every play.
Having got back to 2-1 after the early double blow within 16 minutes, we needed to take the frenzy out of the game for a spell, but no. We were too gung-ho and were once again undone with a great long ball, supreme 1st touch and finish by the Ogre. Then to compound it, in trying to recycle the ball following our corner, Tom Davies is left with 3 men running at him with the inevitable result.
It's a near miracle that Richarlison's goal off a nice move sees as trailing by a mere two at the interval.
Make no mistake. The execution and weight of the Liverpool passing in creating their goals, the running, control and finishing is top, top draw. But Marco Silva and his tactics have been brutally, but brutally exposed tonight.
This could get very messy, or be very heroic.
Now, tonight, would be a really, really, but REALLY good time Marco to defy all the odds in finally breaking your awful record at Everton of never coming back to win a PL having conceded the first game.
It could be your very last chance to do so, should the 2nd half mimick the 1st half.
72 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:27:23
73 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:28:45
We take it lying down, time and time again. More successful teams don't accept it and the referees cave in. Not even a referral to VAR by the looks of things.
74 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:33:22
75 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:45:46
I know Tom Davies has had an injury, but the anonymous Sigurdsson stays on?
76 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:50:16
77 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:18
And yet our 'coach' substitutes Davies... we have good players. All of this... every single problem is down to the manager. He simply hasn't a fuckin' clue what he's at.
78 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:21
79 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:50
Its gone on too long now and frankly the gap is bigger now than its ever been before.
As for the joke that is known as Everton, the laughing circus (our boardroom) should be really proud of this shite theyve served up this season.
But hey ho, In Brands We Trust and all that bollox blah blah blah blah.
80 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:54:13
81 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:54:57
82 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:55:14
83 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:55:30
Silva is totally out of his depth.
84 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:57:03
Silva should be sacked before he leaves anfield. We are woefully poor at the moment.
The same mistake after the same mistake and nothing is changing or improving.
85 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:59:33
Then, when chasing the game, DCL, who might get on the end of a cross comes off, Schneiderlin, who should have been on when keeping it tight and who should under no circumstances ever be playing when chasing a game, comes on for the only midfielder who gets the ball and looks for a forward pass.
All this while the brilliantly scouted Iwobi stays on the field (have we ever wasted £30million this poorly) and Sigurdsson stays in the centre of midfield.
Silva hit on a formula against the better teams last season. This season he has persisted with it against the poorer teams and bottled it when hes needed to play it.
86 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:01:51
87 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:05:28
88 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:08
This is the pits, and there's no chance of winning many games defending like this. It's Keystone Kops.
What happens next?
89 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:08
We should have been here with a temporary manager. That's on the powers that be.
90 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:32
We just might get relegated.
91 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:17
Or do we have to endure anymore... absolutely pathetic!
92 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:25
93 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:49
94 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:09:22
95 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:10
That was a debacle. At least something has to change now. Again.
96 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:20
97 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:27
98 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:11:09
Silva has to go tonight. We must realise now that we are in a horrible dogfight. People mocked and hounded Allardyce when he concentrated on defence with shit players. Now we need to do exactly that again, to save our lives and to re-build after more wasted years.
What a fucking awful night, what a fucking awful club we've become.
99 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:12:07
When he's sacked in the morning, keep Kenwright out of any future candidates.
100 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:12:07
101 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:13:15
So we move on. Survival is now our priority. We do have some shite on our books, though. I hope that the new coach has the backbone to make sure that some of them are never first choice again.
102 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:13:39
103 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:14:02
Luckily for you, there doesn't seem to be an alarm clock in the boardroom.
104 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:14:35
105 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:15:08
106 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:15:36
Should have been sacked latest October and another manager put in weeks ago. Instead as usual were reactive rather than proactive and now in the shit proper.
Result today absolutely predictable.
107 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:13
We fans pay the price by enduring yet another year of tortured hope.
Marco should have been dismissed weeks ago.
I no longer feel anything but pain.
108 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:20
We're stuck with the wreckage of this squad, and the problems are very evident. Namely the keeper (who has nearly conceded as many goals as saves he's made). The centre-backs and the midfield. Most of the problem players being ones from Walsh's regime: Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, and Sigurdsson. Pickford might be one we can sell, he's got a high enough profile, but the others we are stuck with, their wages are far too high. Walcott comes into the same bracket.
Davies, Holgate and Calvert-Lewin are not the problem, they're all cheap and can just be eased back into the reserves if the new manager doesn't rate them.
Moshiri will not hesitate now, but the answer better not be Moyes. Unsworth can buy us some time and lift the gloom for Chelsea, he's won every Premier League game at Goodison Park. Time for Brands to show some leadership and sort this mess out.
109 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:38
110 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:08
The weird thing now is how little the manager is getting out of a lot of good players. Compared with the utter crap our first 11 has been at times, this lot just don't make anything of the sum of their parts.
Liverpool have some outstanding players but they also have some ordinary ones who know their roles, work hard, move the ball quickly and move well off the ball.
Put Mane in our side and he'd have no one to pass to and he wouldn't get the ball back. That's management. Time for a change.
112 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:12
Under Moyes we only needed a couple of players and we were at least on par with them.
3 years of Moshiri and we need 15 now.
Kieran we bought relegation fodder mate. Half a side from the bottom half.
We don't even deserve to play in derbies and no manager is making shit players better.
113 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:36
114 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:37
Until we do a complete rebuild of the entire organization, root and branch, led by a smart owner with a plan – like Man City, Liverpool and others – we will not reach the top.
115 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:19:16
Silva and the entire Everton backroom coaching staff need to be fucked off out of the club. Rotten to the core.
116 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:19:46
117 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:20:27
We can stay up. The time for action is now.
118 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:20:47
I fucking hate it but that's the model of a club for us. Imagine that system but with our fans instead of their gang of bellends.
I agree SIlva is gone, and I also really hope Moyes isn't brought in to replace him. He's yesterday's man.
119 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:21:21
120 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:21:24
I'd say HK III team were equally bad but that lot were brought in on a shoestring literally. Farrelly, Oster, O'Kane etc were kids and no one was thrown to the lions. This lot are multi-millionaires.
121 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:06
122 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:11
What a pile of bilge.
Agree with getting Kenwright the fuck out of the boardroom tho.
123 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:15
124 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:32
Let's not over-react. The last overreaction saw us waste £10m+ on Allardyce, and £50m+ on Tosun and Walcott. Let Brands sort the mess out. Otherwise may as well sack him, and he's not even been able to appoint his own manager.
125 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:35
126 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:44
Steve said Silva needs to go. But he is correct in that this group have failed Koeman and him so it's not as easy as bringing in Mr X and suddenly we are good.
127 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:53
Moshiri has fucked this club. Before he came, we were competitive; now, we are a joke. Well done, Mr Moshiri.
128 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:23:25
I don't think Marcel Brands should get a free ride either - he's supposed to be the man with the plan.
129 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:23:41
130 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:24:35
131 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:04
Who can save this season? I think we have a greater need for a Fat Sam type than 2017-18. I didn't really believe we could go down then but I do now!
132 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:13
He was onto a hiding for nothing and his cards are marked but credit where its due, he did his best tonight and it was the players decision making, not his, which let us down tonight.
133 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:17
There is a desperate need for 2 midfielders in the January window or relegation is a certainty.
134 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:40
Only lunatics expect better from worse players.
We go from good squad (couple of quality we are flying) to bad squad then repeat the cycle. Always.
135 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:44
None of this current squad is fit to lick the boots of say a Tim Cahill or a Fellaini type player.
Our defence ambles around pathetically like poets lost in the Alps whilst Id seriously consider a psychological check up for our potentially ADHD goalkeeper.
Our midfielders are the worst Ive ever seen, bunch of powderpuff weaklings and nonexistent nobodys.
Can we just define the word striker and see what it means?
We dont possess a single Premier League quality striker at this club two years after selling Lukaku.
136 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:01
137 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:40
138 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:46
139 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:51
I agree with whoever it was who said we won't win another derby in half a century. LFC have set up a commercial and sporting machine that is generations ahead of our tinpot operation.
140 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:55
The disgusting thing is hes probably exactly what we need.
Pass me the sick bucket !!
141 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:27:06
But as others have noted, the spine of the team is... spineless. It's hard to see anyone having too much success until that and the coaching staff are rectified.
Sheesh, give me strength.
142 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:27:57
Silva set his team up poorly.
His substitutions were poor.
He is poor.
No credit, none due
143 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:18
They are shite for not scoring 10 against them players to be honest.
Calvert Lewin, Statue Sigurdsson (is a statue quicker?) Michael Keane commanding 😂 clumsy Mina. Sidibe thinking he is playing with his mates in the park.
What a fucking load of shite we have.
144 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:22
145 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:44
Leicester were not that good on Sunday, we nearly get a draw, the prick thinks 5 at the back works, he plays it again, we get twatted.
Coleman should be in the team as should Baines.
Sack the fucker do not bring in that other fucker Moyes you bunch of fuckwits
A fucking disgrace
146 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:51
Employing managers with a proven track record of relegation, or fighting relegation. This man, has not a fucking clue how to run a top premiership club. Its time he was out the door for good. Take your shit selection of managers with you.
Don't want to hear anymore tripe about "run of the ball", "shit VAR" or Injury fucking excuses. we have spent a fortune. No 'if's' or 'buts'.
I don't want to read anymore crap on this site about playing the same players in different systems, expecting different results. This club is at rock bottom. We need a miracle.
...and to think EFC have pleasure to announce a price freeze on season tickets.
147 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:29:00
148 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:29:01
149 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:30:11
150 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:30:18
Let's get to the truth of the situation.
By the end of this month the club MUST locate a hardman to manage the playing staff who will not be rolled over by anyone and have no favourite players or play them because they are the highest wages earners.
They must bring a set of sound football principles and have good in game management.
Their goal is get to mid table and stay there till the end of the season.
151 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:09
152 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:10
153 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:16
You're right, our players are the biggest problem, but the idea that we can just go out and buy a new defence in the January sales and everything will be good just doesn't sound credible to me.
154 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:33
155 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:43
Randy Lerner on steroids. The steroids bit taking into account the TV money and his collateral.
Rush jobs often go wrong. Especially when the players you lose are not replaced with at least equal quality.
Every man and his dog knew we needed to buy Zouma and Gomes to stand still.
156 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:47
Kenny, our board is far too savvy to bring Moyes back in, we'd never do that, at least not while Mike Walker is available!
157 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:32:37
Please let us not have any patronising shit from the PR department for a while.
158 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:32:50
Silvas mistake was was not changing the formation soon enough but the first 3 goals were down to the defenders and goalkeeper failing to deal with long balls that were in the air long enough to adjust and deal with. When you see footballers not able to to the basics like clearing your lines and passing to each other I fail to see how the manager is at fault when he played his best 11 available
159 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:23
160 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:29
You hope in vein, it wasnt sarcasm.
How would you have set the team up and what substitutions would you have made in the circumstances?
161 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:44
Yeah sure it does, and I shit gold bricks every day!!
162 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:47
163 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:52
164 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:34:10
Let's hope it's just Silva being the worst manager ever, like you seem to think he is, because we will suddenly rocket up the table with no new signings. If it's the players more than him, then we need to hope we can tread some water until the window opens and we can get reinforcements in.
165 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:35:08
He, I believe, is the man to pu a bit of fight back in the Toffees.
166 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:35:36
Lots of different systems, strategies, formations or whatever you want to call it and Equally as inept.
167 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:36:01
168 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:08
And why would they respect him?
169 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:19
Every decent potential manager we want will have seen our inherent weaknesses exposed tonight along with the world.
We are going to find bringing in the right man tough unless there is mucho money on the table.
170 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:19
Anyone who has ever played football understands the team with the best players wins football matches, not tactics alone. Poor recruitment is the sole reason why we are in the position we are in.
I feel sorry for Silva as it is blatantly obvious we have zero talent amongst our ranks. Digne and Ricarlison are the only two players I would take going forward; the rest aren't good enough and that's scary.
171 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:34
172 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:39:53
We need 2 midfielders as well. We cannot just wait and hope Gomes and Gbamin get back fast. Delph cannot be trusted. We can't rely on our 4th and 5th choice midfielders.
173 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:01
Survival depends on a new manager who knows how to organise a defence followed by January recruitment of a proper CB, two midfielders and a forward who knows where the goal is. Anything less and we go down - we are in a relegation battle with no battlers in the side.
174 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:06
Our defence was awful but the reality is theyre miles clear at the top of the league and were in the relegation zone.. The pass for their first goal was absolute class. At least we attacked and created chances, unlike previous eras.
Probably no way back for Silva now but Id actually leave him there for Chelsea in the absence of a ready replacement or Moyes/Unsworth getting it.
175 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:08
We will still be in the Prem. next season fear not, I cant say I'm getting much comfort from that though because the best we can hope for is 8th-ish.
176 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:19
That will definately have a knock on effect.
177 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:49
So they expect fans to still pay the same for highly likely Championship football?
Ill tell you one thing the club are going to have a tough time shifting anymore than 10 or 15,000 this time.
Evertonians loyalty is not a bottomless pit.
We have been had off by the lying blaggers on the board and the masquerading puffs that are the players for far too long, no more.
Oh yeah, and Marcel, did you see any “Fire in the players eyes” tonight mate?
178 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:41:37
179 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:42:00
180 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:43:19
The reason for a new 4 year contract now is to hike his value.
I reckon he's going to Utd or Spain.
The £100m will fund the Silva compensation, new manager costs and then probably £85m spare for 3 players and perhaps a loan.
181 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:43:46
And revealing it like its cool.
Who wants their bosses casting a presence over them like that!
182 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:44:25
171 comments already. I'm sure zero are positive.
When TW lights up, something has to happen. He's got to go by tomorrow a.m., replacement or not.
183 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:45:55
Instead of Everton CEO, Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale, announcing a price freeze on season tickets, how about a refund?
If anyone is under any illusion, about how completely out of touch this club is with the fans, please go to Everton website and read the article entitled 'Everton Freezes Season Ticket Prices'.
I rest my case.
184 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:46:03
185 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:46:16
As I see it things cannot get worse (than losing game after game) and a fresh perspective is needed - even on an interim basis. At present we the club is repeating the same actions and hoping for a different outcome.
An earlier poster suggested Unsworth & Joe Royle as an interim solution. While accepting this wouldnt be anyones first choice, would it - or something like it - really be any worse than what we have now?
186 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:48:43
187 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:07
188 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:15
189 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:55
Make no mistake. The execution and weight of the Liverpool passing in creating their goals, the running, control and finishing is top, top draw. But Marco Silva and his tactics have been brutally, but brutally exposed tonight.
Yup. In the worst, most nightmarish way. And to rub salt in the wound, he did nothing about it at all. Still played a high line. Three or Four at the back, you'd figure he'd see that we were getting torched with the long balls and played deeper. But nah, why would he do that?
190 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:50:04
"Silva has a £50 million centre back pairing and two French International fullbacks plus England's No 1. Why the fuck can't he organise them into some sort of cohesive unit? "
They're just not as good as what we paid for them suggests... and perhaps also square pegs into round holes?
191 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:00
It was clear as day in the last three months of last season that Gueye and Zouma were our most consistent players and physically in most games they handled opponents quite well.
We lost Zouma didnt replace his athleticism and end up going back to Mason “no muscle” Holgate, the skinniest nark in history.
Keane plays like the QE2 and too often Mina is a bit like Bambi on ice.
Brands should have nailed this in the summer but totally screwed up.
Gueye, well selling him far too cheaply was pure One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest behaviour.
192 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:04
We are in a run of form so bad, worse than our dismal spell last winter, and it doesn't look like ending. We could well be on 14 points come January.
That is relegation form, that is real risk.
I have no idea who we should go for, but my god how this is miserable.
Our only decent players: Richarlison, Digne, and Bernard will probably be on their way.
Also, we need to send Sibide back... he's terrible, and bring back Kenny.
193 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:07
Or maybe a Bramley-Moore Dock stadium update from Colin Chong?
194 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:46
195 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:53
Anthony, playing too high a line repeatedly and getting caught conceding the same goal over and over and not adjusting the balance of the side to drop everyone a little deeper. Picking the wrong players, making the wrong subs. He's made plenty of mistakes and will have plenty of regrets.
196 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:23
197 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:43
What would big Sam or Moyes do? Stop the pressing game and keep it solid. Why can't Silva do it?
198 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:54
199 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:20
Id say right now we are TOO BAD TO STAY UP!!
200 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:28
I want you all to be witnesses. I have been provoked beyond endurance. My responsibility is diminished.
201 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:44
That's the mortal sin.
202 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:55:29
Mr Silva, do the decent thing and resign, please!!
If anyone thinks we are too good to go down need to seek medical advice. It's a reality unless something changes quickly.
203 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:56:21
204 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:57:23
I would have set the team up (and posted this on one of the threads) in a similar 4-2-3-1 that we played at the back end of last season, that reverts to a 4-4-2 when defending.
Sidibe (I said Coleman, forgot he was injured), Mina, Holgate, Digne
Richarlison, Schneiderlin, Davies, Bernard,
I would not have defended high, I would have limited the space between midfield and defence, and similarly between defence and the keeper. Sigurdsson and Calvert-Lewin would have been pressing all day. Schneiderlin would have been sat in front of the centre backs offering protection. We would have had 2 wide players breaking when we turned possession over with the full-backs holding their position.
As for subs - Kean should have complimented Calvert-Lewin, not replaced him (Iwobi would have been the obvious choice). Schneiderlin is absolutely pointless if we are ever chasing a game, he should only ever be playing if we are protecting a result (which is why I think he should have started).
Silva, not for the first time, has simply thought “That team worked last time, so I'll play it again” without any regard for the opposition.
205 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:57:54
So, against Moshiri's wishes for Zaha, Brands wanted Iwobi, are they saying?
They are both dickheads if that is true then!
206 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:00
207 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:06
208 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:21
They never resign, they all wait to be sacked.
Silva would probably be throwing away £10m if he did that.
209 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:24
We'd stink out the Championship!!!
210 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:22
211 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:25
Are you saying that it's Brands that should be fired, not Marco?
212 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:51
That Baines, as old as he is, had to sit and watch that, Coleman too... the amateur defending of messers Keane, Holgate, Sidibe – each of them should never wear the shirt again. That Davies, the headless chuck, should be the ONLY player in midfield and not worthy of the Championship.. frankly on this seasons showing its hard to see any premiership players.
That's a ridiculous situation. It's clear that there have been a number of managers who have clearly failed at the club, but the reasons for that failure is not money, is not facilities – it's recruitment, a team building vision, non-replacement of key players. It's a failure of leadership. Shit flows down.
Changing another manager is another papering over the cracks, but we have no choice. As I said on anther thread a week ago we need steel off the pitch and steel on it. We no longer look like a team... we have a manager who knows his time is up. We have a board who are clueless.
We need some utter, ruthless bastards to sort this out, from top to bottom. I just hope to god we don't have to rebuild in the Championship.
213 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:59
214 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:01:35
Well be pointless against Chelsea and United and be very lucky to scramble a draw against Arsenal but their quality strikers Aubameyang and Lacazette will probably be the deciding factor to winning the game.
I cant see where our next point is coming from let alone a win.
215 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:15
216 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:28
Injuries and not having signed players in key positions in the summer are hurting us. That doesn't excuse Silva for not having even begun to implement any recognisable style of play in his 17 months in charge.
Yes, the defenders he has are all limited in some way but there can't be any excuses for the total disorganisation in the unit. There are teams with much worse players than Everton who, collectively, know how to defend. To say we were at sixes and sevens - and not for the first time - would be too much of a compliment.
Sigurdsson is being played out of position and Davies can't do it all his own but, even so, there appears to be no coherent style to our possession or attacking moves. Liverpool are clearly a counter-attacking team who can rip through teams or go over the top. Man City are clearly a possession based team. Again, I acknowledge that we do not have the ideal set of players but Silva has had 17 months to demonstrate he is beginning to implement some kind of style, but there is simply no evidence for it.
Despite the injuries and our failure to effectively replace Gueye and Zouma, there are too many problems which are solely at the manager's feet to give him any more time.
217 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:32
In any other business he would go too.
218 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:33
219 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:33
220 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:40
Even when we get it right, we get it wrong. We've signed some good footballers - they're just not in the positions we need, or don't match the style we play.
We sack our manager for losing games, then hire a guy who has just been sacked for losing games.
We play 4-2-3-1(most of the time) but don't have a centre forward.
We lose midfielders to injury so we go to a 5-3-2 - putting more pressure on the remaining midfielders who aren't up to the job.
We sign fast wingers - then put a complete lack of pace and urgency around them.
We pick a big, strong defence - then play a high line with advanced fullbacks away to one of the fastest attacking teams in the league.
We're not just a laughing stock. We are THE laughing stock of the league.
I used to hate losing to that lot. Now I don't even care that it's Liverpool. We're playing a completely different game to them. They've never been more irrelevant to me.
221 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:04:34
222 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:04:46
No chance Farhad Moshit - era would allow that.
223 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:05:15
224 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:05:33
225 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:00
A school teacher of mine once said to me Everton would make an excellent 2nd division side, that was just a week or two before Adrian Heath had his magic moment at Oxford.
I then haunted this teacher with his remark while HK and the boys went on the rampage. Well If he's (my teacher) still alive I'm beginning to feel he knew something I didn't.
226 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:26
I dont agree with everything you post, in fact nearly none of it but you make some great points about Evertons midfield.
Silva predicted the loss of Gana would be catastrophic and, when he was given the opportunity by an interviewer at the end of the summer window to blame Brands and the board for not replacing him, he demonstrates his integrity by not doing so.
Youre right, he wanted Dacoure and Brands got him Gbamin.. and Delph just in case. Neither was adequate replacement for Gana and especially not in the context of losing the pace of Zouma whom Brand also failed to replace for the manager.
Im backing you up here for balance.
That said he has had multiple opportunities to win or save points this season and he has failed abysmally.
227 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:30
Johnny Evans or Tyrone Mings in defence and the likes of Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood or some other workhorse like Danny Ings up there.
At least they put a bloody shift in.
228 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:53
I just want to know if it's been discussed how bad he is.
Remember when a few were talking about how we gave up so few shots per game as if that were a good thing? That number stands at 61 total shots on target conceded, btw, or 4.1 per game. Sounds amazing, right?
Yeah, it would, except that Pickford's given up 27 goals, 1.8/game. Not so amazing when he basically gives up 1 goal per 2 shots.
229 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:00
That may be acceptable, in an end of season nothing match (I know there's no such thing in a derby game) when entertainment is more important than the result, but in the middle of a crisis, you batten down the hatches, make it hard for your opponents to break your back line and hope that you create an opportunity or two on the break.
Suicide football won't help Everton to pick up points, if they consistently allow opponents of any quality never mind the top sides to breach their back line with consumate ease. There's nothing wrong with pragmatism when it's necessary and right now it's neccessary.
The next three games will end the same as the last two if we continue to play 'open' football as the defence is ill disciplined, too nice and unable to keep their heads once any pressure is placed on them. As for the forwards they don't move as a unit and nobody can be relied upon to put the requisite percentage of chances to bed when they are created.
Of course there are some mitigating circumstances, particularly to key midfield players, but have they and would they make that much of a difference - if they were fit and available, Everton's results this season would indicate that the answer is no.
Tony Marsh said on the LF that Radio Merseyside reported that Silva has three games to save his job, how can that be so? Do the Board ever glance at the League Table?
Bill Kenwright will 'celebrate' his 20th anniversary as owner/Chairman on Boxing Day - I would suggest that should be the day when he stands down from his position and allows somebody else to lead the club, because despite his dedication to Everton for 30 - 40 years, Everton FC has had too many low points during his tenure.
Ironically despite Bill finding a benefactor who has thrown money at the club, we find ourselves in as poor a position on and off the pitch as most of us can remember and unlike previous occasions the fans are in turmoil and may not be able to find the strength of will to get this Everton team over the line - that would be catastrophic for the club, the owners and anybody with an interest in Everton Football Club.
Very sad night for Evertonians!
230 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:18
231 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:43
It's that dewy eyed thinking that is partly responsible for getting us where we are.
Typical EFC always looking back. absolute bollocks.
I'm sick of it.
232 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:57
233 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:52
234 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:57
235 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:58
236 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:06
237 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:08
If Silva is still the manager when I wake up tomorrow (in Dallas, TX) I will become a Kopite. I cannot be more depressed about my beloved club than I am right now.
I have watched 'Howard's Way' twice this week. Without exaggeration, there are so many of the best days of my life contained in that movie. Winners all over the pitch, yes the tackling was somewhat agricultural at times but those were the days.
Oh to have a Peter Reid or Andy Gary character right now and I was opposed to both of those signings. That's why Howard was a genius. For anybody younger than 30, you really need to watch this movie as we are a million miles away from the glory days. 17th is looking good right now.
238 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:25
239 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:32
240 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:02
Ive said more than once I honestly believ Pickford to potentially be ADHD.
Ive watched him closely, his antics, his lacking in concentration and erratic decision making over the last 18 months and its worrying.
£30 million, really I mean Im sure there were again cheaper alternatives for a goalkeeper that would have been doing an equal job to him.
241 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:11
242 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:40
Can Pickford ever make a save that he shouldnt that actually matters?!
The new manager cant be a gamble or were down and our only hope is the home atmosphere which the new manager has to utilise.
243 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:42
244 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:12:33
Origi is underrated- a super, old fashioned leader of the line with good feet, a trick or two and an eye for goal. What a player! Mane is world class. Our defence was poorly rehearsed and ponderous, playing a high line. However, despite the know-alls on tv telling us what tough fixtures we have, the hardest two are behind us.
All the other strugglers have equally difficult games coming up.
Chins up everyone.
I just watched Klopp and thought of how I will enjoy it when it all turns to shit for him, his bullying ways and the clots on the kop whistle for his head...everything changes. we will have our revenge.
245 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:12:51
Mark W, he clearly feels let down by the players and expects to be sacked.
246 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:13:23
247 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:14:49
Do people forget the results under Rhino?
3-0 loss at Lyon.
5–1 to Atalanta
4-1 to Southampton
2-0 at Leicester
We beat a Watford team 3-2 managed by Mr Silva when they blew a two goal lead.
The West Ham 4-0 win was partly down to the players wanting to impress Bisto Sam in the Main Stand.
Unsy is a lovely fella but his record was shite lets face facts.
248 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:25
249 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:26
250 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:54
The bigger worry is that Brands a football expert did not appear to realise their significance and have contingency plans in place.
Everton are really in Crisis now, not just at Manager level, but at Director Football level and Board level.
They all deserve it, thinking the status quo, was going to keep them alright and continuing as they are accustomed to at Everton.
It ain't , and welcome to reality.
251 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:55
The bigger worry is that Brands a football expert did not appear to realise their significance and have contingency plans in place.
Everton are really in Crisis now, not just at Manager level, but at Director Football level and Board level.
They all deserve it, thinking the status quo, was going to keep them alright and continuing as they are accustomed to at Everton.
It ain't , and welcome to reality.
252 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:16:21
253 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:18:45
Hopefully rock bottom has been hit tonight, but unless it is because Moshiri has become ruthless and already has a new man ready, then I cant accept this, because we hit rock bottom at home to Norwich, and anyone who knows anything about Everton Football Club, already knew this.
I never watched the game tonight because I was committed to taking one of the kids to football, (hes on trial) but even though I hate Liverpool, and hate losing against them, it just doesnt seem as bad as it was when I left Goodison Pk ten days ago, on a day when Silva should have also left for good.
We need pragmatism, we need it quickly, then and only then will we recover, because its what Everton and their great fans, have always been built on the most?
254 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:18:56
Pickford has been pretty poor this season.
His continued kicking the ball out of touch.
His weakness on the Mahrez freekick and the one at Brighton.
He was poor at home to Sheffield United on both goals for me.
Going back to last season its very hard to erase the memories of the Anfield derby blooper and the Spurs game when he decapitated Kurt Zouma and then his madcap antics that cost us the game up at Newcastle.
Not a great keeper in my eyes and another big factor in why our defence is so jittery.
255 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:19:42
You would then say "Give him a chance".
Unsy is not entitled to this chance?
256 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:19:50
257 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:20:38
Going over there its vital to stop them scoring in the first 20 minutes, bodies should be put on the line to get this done. You can then grow into the game gain confidence and build upon this. Them spineless fuckers never managed 7 minutes.
I wouldn't bet on these players getting us out the mess they have go us into. The only thing these players will achieve is letting are loyal fans who spend a fortune following them down.
Who would be bothered if any of this squad were sold in January? There is not 1 player I would be devastated to lose.
Regardless of who is in charge that is a ordinary squad of players who I fear will take this Club down as they don't have the skill, desire or fight to win games of football.
258 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:21:58
However I reckon Robertson intentionally threw the elbow into the back of Davies head early on and TAA was also lucky not to see red.
259 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:22:51
Silva wants big strong defenders of at least 6'3". They have to be tall to play zonal marking. One has to be fast to cover for the other and one has to be decent on the ball to play out from the back. Preferably both can do both. The picture is Zouma.
Brands then sends all the scouts out, and remember we've got well over 100 scouts, all over the world, and he gets lots of calls off agents. Brands then gets a long list of the players on video and shows them to Silva and the ones that are liked are looked at closer. Brands will then sign the one who Silva agrees on. If they do the job properly they will both go and watch the player.
Brands does not just sign who he wants to sign and tells Silva to play him. The two have to work well together, and if they are not in tune you end up with a team that does not play the way the manager wants it to. You don't give Silva an off-road vehicle if he's a track driver and expect him to be quick off-road. That defence does not suit him. Between the two of them they made a serious error over the lack of centre-back and it's cost Silva his job. He should have adapted and changed his tactics, because we could not play the way we did last season and that was evident early on.
We have to back Brands though, let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and get the right guy in. But that means Kenwright and Moshiri need to stay out of it. The new manager must fit these players too.
260 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:27
All the talk of clear outs and signings we need to make, instead of using what we had and adding to gradually, has put us in this mess, orchestrated by immature managers who haven't a clue, backed by directors who are completely thick.
There has been two important signings that we have needed to make.
A replacement for Lukaku and a replacement for Gueye and we failed miserably.
Jags and McCarthy should still be here. We need them but they are gone. Baines should be playing so should Coleman.
The appointment of Moyes will seal our fate and if any of you think Moshiri and Kenwright are in anyway capable of organising a ground move you are out of your fucking mind.
We are dead, almost buried, we should have gone for Mourinho weeks ago (he has always had a soft spot for Everton). That ship has sailed and here we are in the bottom fucking 3 after spending millions.
Our club is a fucking wreck.
261 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:44
262 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:50
Unsworth has had his chance.
It was not exactly a roaring success and I doubt that results would greatly improve, as stated in my post look at the batch of results Unsworth achieved?
Defensively last time we were appalling.
It took Allardyce to come in and plug the holes and to be fair as dour as it was, I wish we could do that now.
263 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:24:13
Alas, there was little evidence of that tonight against a Liverpool side, who passed better, intercepted better, played for each other, had more desire. That was with five changes to their side.
It shows just how adrift we are from, where we constantly proclaim we should be, in the Premiership!
264 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:26:14
265 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:26:15
it's nothing to do with a completely inept midfield when it comes to tackling, marking at set pieces? 1 on 1 situations? being caught out by a far superior speedy attack against our slow unfit defenders?
You must be kidding surely. I bet he has a superb Euro's next year and we can kiss good good bye to him.
266 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:27:58
267 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:28:44
268 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:28:58
269 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:29:41
The Director of Football model is letting us down. For about the 4th season running, we have not ended up with the players we needed. Why have we still not got a centre forward for Gods sake?
On the pitch, as well as on the bench, we have an absence of leaders. Remember 12 months ago, when Klopp was doing cartwheels on the pitch, no one saw fit to tell him where to go. We were just there to take our medicine. Plucky old Everton. Compare that to when Mourinho went running down the wing at Old Trafford. Ferguson was jabbing a finger at him, letting him know it was out of order.
I would imagine many of us would have got a red card towards the end tonight. Im not saying its clever, but it would show a level of passion and commitment that things hadnt gone our way and that our emotion had boiled over while we were striving for a result. Just where are our leaders? We should have had a cast iron penalty. What would Mourinho have done in that situation? What would Man U or Liverpool players have done? We just carry on as normal. All hell should have broken loose! When was the last time we saw emotion from one of our players? Im at a loss...
Replacing Silva is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. We need to get rid of this Director of Football model, and bring in a manager who is going to recruit men. Players that will run through a brick wall for you. That means defenders and a keeper who will take it as an insult of you score against them. Midfielders who will run all day. And strikers who will battle and run all day long.
We are too nice. The likes of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Walcott should never play for us again. The Directors of Football have recruited the wrong characters. Our team are lacking character. Thats why we never win away from home.
From top to bottom, the mentality is wrong.
270 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:16
The rest of the team weren't too bad. The loss of Zouma and Gueye has been catastrophic. Brands has to accept much of the blame for the current demise.
Who in the summer said that we would get more points without Zouma?
271 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:34
272 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:48
273 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:50
Even in the tunnel before kick off he was gurning away and Digne gave him a little tap as if to say, "get your game head on"
274 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:31:52
"Vai te caralho, filho de puta!" was my beaming reply. Not difficult to work out, even without Google translate.
He had the good grace to laugh, rather than knife me (I live in Brazil's 3rd most violent city for murders).
OK. The little good that came out of the game. The second half wasn't as bad as it could have been, but wasn't as good as it might have been. I was hoping we could claim a moral raising 'draw' or even a 'win' in the 2nd half, but even that was not to be.
5-2 is as bad as it sounds. 54 years since they've hit five against us at Anfield.
We had 1-2 chances to grab a goal back ourselves, not least when Kean broke through.
But - spit! - Liverpool showed how much they have evolved - and continue to evolve - under Klopp.
In the 1st half they clearly played not to pass through us in midfield, but simply to go long and direct over the top of our high-pressing, but slow turning defence. And they had the players to execute the necessary pass, anticipation, control and finishing to make it work. It was brutal in its efficiency.
Having done the damage before the interval, in the 2nd half they managed the game well, better at retaining possession and passing through us, leading to better chances than we created.
Make no mistake. This is a very good side, well-drilled, well-prepared and capable of hurting far better sides than Everton currently is.
For me, one Everton player and one player only showed the necessary cojones for a Mersey Derby game tonight: step forward Tom Davies.
He was a tiger. Always seeking the ball. Always with the courage to attempt the forward pass, no matter how tightly marked he was or how limited was the space he had in which to play.
Silva got booed for taking him off and replacing him with Schneiderlin. I'm not going to be so quick to berate the manager for that one as many have.
The overwhelming majority agreed that just 3 days ago on Sunday Davies did most of the leg work in midfield and was running on fumes around the 70 minute mark and should have been subbed out. Steve Ferns reported he was also carrying an injury. But Silva kept him on to the end.
Now to me, tonight Tom looked really up for it and that pure adrenalin would have seen him through to the end. But I'm not privy to his numbers that might have shown it was risking injury to him if Silva kept him on. Plus, he was on a yellow card and still flying into challenges. So I'll give Silva a free pass on that one.
And it won't be popular, but Schneiderlin was OK when he came on. Holding position well and spreading the ball well. The biggest problem for me - as it was eventually against Leicester - was who shared the midfield roles with Davies, Iwobi and Siggy.
Iwobi simply doesn't like the grunge work and is almost non-existent in the tackle, or even just standing up to a player and making it difficult for him to go past him. Siggy is almost reduced to two ineffective ways of stopping a player - putting his arm across the chest of a player or pulling him back as he goes past him. It seldom works.
Silva will go very much sooner rather than later. But I don't subscribe to the view some are expressing that we have a very poor and spineless squad that requires wholesale changes.
The overwhelming majority of the players were at Everton last season when we closed out the season in style.
It is painfully obvious Silva has been unable to build on that 'success'. It doesn't follow that a new manager coming in cannot quickly organize and inspire better performances from the same players we currently have at the club.
Anyone seeking the familiar, a comfort blanket of the known such as a return of Moyes or Allardyce, is being regressive.
What we need is a manager with personality who stamps his authority on the club immediately.
They are out there. Moshiri and Brands - NOT Kenwright! - just have to convince one of them to come to Everton.
275 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:00
276 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:17
277 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:25
278 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:39
I'm glad you mentioned that penalty incident with CL.
I don't think it even went to VAR but it was a foul in the box on him wasn't it?
Even McCoist thought so both at the time and after seeing the reply but non of our players didn't appear to protest at all.
Imagine if it was the other way around. What's going on ffs??
279 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:38:39
280 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:38:55
I saw Carragher go back to Liverpool for sky tv, and although he had only been out of melwood for 18 months, you could just tell by the fellas actions and mannerisms, that he half felt like an outsider, and the only person he looked genuinely at ease with was the canteen lady Steve.
This is what real professional means imo Steve, and thats also just the tip of the iceberg Imo. Jamie C, thanks for that stupidity mate, it made me smile, and thats something the fella you was alluding to could never make me do! Goodnight everybody and hopefully some better news starting tomorrow, even though Im going to have nightmares over the thought of Moyes, more than losing to Liverpool, which just about sums it up for now.
281 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:39:03
Has anyone any ideas as to how he has faded so badly in just a few months, because 15 bad games is much more than a serious loss of form. And the more I see of Iwobi, the less I think he is the answer.
282 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:39:32
No surprises that we took a beating in which they started taking the piss in the 2nd half.
Probably their easiest game of the season.
Pickford had a mare for a couple of the goals. Iwobi again looked lost. The defence looked like statues, It's just too easy to score against us.
Surely to Christ even Jimmy the kit man could do a better job of motivating these multi millionaire under performers.
I wish I had a £ for every time someone mentions that Silva has to go but ffs he has to go.
283 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:10
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285 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:51
I see Gallardo's odds are drifting and Moyes is the even favourite once more.
286 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:55
It was 2-1 at the time, and it would've altered the game. A horrible season, no luck with injuries or with VAR, it's hard not to detest this fucking game.
287 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:43:05
Seriously Jay, something has got to be sorted and soon, otherwise the unthinkable will be a reality.
288 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:43:11
Jim Bennings re. Unsworth... lets get some perspective.
He never had more that 3 or 4 days between matches. He took over a team that was in free fall and hadnt won away in the best part of a year. The games you mention...
Lyon - expected loss - we lost
Leicester - expected loss - we lost
Atlanta - dead rubber
Southampton - fair enough but badly let down by senior pros.
You fail to mention...
Chelsea 2-1 with 2 x 18 year olds in centre midfield
Palace 2-2 away from home
Watford 3-2 victory
West Ham 4-0 victory.
League performances - played 5, won 2, drew 1 lost 2. After 15 games that would equate to 21 points.
If you want to slate Unsworth - pick on his whole reign and not just some carefully selected statistics please.
289 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:02
Ill tell you what has happened to Sigurdsson. He scored 14 goals last season, but he was shite. Take his 14 goals out of the equation and the games passed him by. Now and again, he would make a cute pass or score a good goal, and people would be drooling. Dont be fooled by the stats. He ran around a lot, never getting past 3rd gear, and got the odd goal and assist, but his play was poor.
This season, he is simply replicating what he did last year, but he is having a goal drought.
His general play has never been good enough since hes been at Everton.
290 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:09
I reckon (not my choice) that we will see Moyes on a short term contract with someone like Cahill (or Phil Neville?) brought in alongside to appease fans
291 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:55
Player for player Everton are at least as good, if not better than at least half the sides above them. There are current internationals from top countries all over the park yet they play like a bunch of strangers while the manager stares at his feet pining for the CB he never got. Personally I think if Van Dyke was playing in the current Everton side it would make no difference at all. Silva has had his chance and now his time is up.
292 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:56
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294 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:46:38
He is the luxury player that needs workers and legs around him. Due to our centre midfield being reduced to the worst I have ever seen, I don't envisage his form returning any time soon.
295 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:47:00
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297 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:47:49
Brands appears to have been naive in that he took the Director of Football job, knowing that the Manager he had to work with was selected by other parties. Brands did come in a week earlier than the start of his contract to meet Silva and then it was announced Silva was appointed.
I take it the fact that Brands contract had not started he had no official say in the appointment, though his opinion was sought. This was also a naive situation to get himself into, since he was drawn into responsibility for the appointment, by Moshiri at short notice.
Brands then as you say went about his duties as Director of Football, but then he was appointed to the Board, which gave him more responsibilities without the power, or maybe the will on his part to change the footballing structures within Everton, which need changed. Brands appears to changes things in relation to his Director of Football role, but nothing in relation to his Director on Board ro!e.
The crux now has come, that Everton need a new Manager, but Brands and the rest of the Board have not prepared for this situation occuring. Cuco hasn't even been talked too.
It's as if they set out a plan and never thought it may not work out, with the appointed Manager.
298 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:48:01
299 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:49:18
I saw Davies try to make things happen. Iwobi might have had a bad game but he tried to get on the ball, Richarlison dropped deeper a couple of times and tried to play a pass or two. Sigurdsson just does not seem to try. And he's the captain!
300 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:49:45
Thanks for taking the time to respond so fully.
Ill just answer your points (paraphrasing them in-so-doing) rather than go into chapter and verse to back up my original assertion.
4-2-3-1 / 4-4-2 when defending. Pickford
Sidibe (I said Coleman, forgot he was injured), Mina, Holgate, Digne
Richarlison, Schneiderlin, Davies, Bernard,
Im not sure Bernard is fit to play 60-90 mins yet but regardless, I think playing the 4-2-3-1 with Sigurdsson in #10 has been exposed as a busted flush. You will argue that it worked against the better teams who have plenty of possession and I would counter that Liverpool arent one of those types of teams.
I would not have defended high, I would have limited the space between midfield and defence, and similarly between defence and the keeper. Sigurdsson and DCL would have been pressing all day. Schneiderlin would have been sat in front of the centre backs offering protection. We would have had 2 wide players breaking when we turned possession over with the full backs holding their position.
I do concede that you would mitigate Liverpools counter-press but I just find it negative and reactive at a time when hes still searching for his best side / way to play with the new squad he (/Brands) assembled. Your system makes sense in the same way Allardyces systems made sense but it doesnt move the agenda forward.
As for subs - Kean should have complimented DCL, not replaced him (Iwobi would have been the obvious choice).
I disagree. DCL offered nothing and Iwobi is the only player in the side who can receive the ball ‘between the lines and pick a through-pass. Finally bringing Kean on with Iwobi still on the pitch, (albeit still out wide at the time he joined) and Richarlison supporting him, gave him the maximum opportunity to do what he does best and that is get off the shoulder of the last man. It nearly worked but, to be fair to Iwobi and Richarlison, they were both completely knackered by then.
Schneiderlin is absolutely pointless if we are ever chasing a game, he should only ever be playing if we are protecting a result (which is why I think he should have started).
Youre making my point that your tactics were negative. I would prefer to go to Anfield with the ambition to win no matter how small the probability. I dont believe Schneiderlin has a future at Everton however he does have a solitary talent, and its not screening the back four. He can play a long pass. He seldom does it these days, playing for his pass completion stats as he seems to but I thought his introduction gave us someone, in the context we were chasing the game and had just brought on our £27m striker and the dynamic Bernard, who could take the ball from the defenders (who had a lot of ball by then) and quickly get it upfield into the large spaces vacated by Liverpools fullbacks. He did this well when he came on.
Silva, not for the first time, has simply thought “that team worked last time, so Ill play it again” without any regard for the opposition.
Eureka! Finally he has found something which works (your words not mine). We have been moaning for months he has been too stubborn to change from the 4-2-3-1 and when he finally does he is castigated and told to play, guess what, 4-2-3-1.. just goes to show you cant please all the people all of the time.
Hes got a problem in midfield and a problem at the back. Terry Venables said, ‘if you cant beat them in midfield, you have to outnumber them.. Marco has adopted the approach that you play without one.
I like the new formation. I think it covers our weakness at centre back and utilises well our highly mobile fullbacks to be where they are needed most. Be under no illusions that this is a sticking plaster because we need to replace Mason Holgate and add a quality centre mid but fair play to him for finally identifying the issue and being creative.
And by the way, Coleman is finished.
301 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:50:41
Look again. Schneiderlin is marking Wiljaldum them has to go across to cover when Holgate gets beaten too easily. Dont think you can blame him there.
Dont want to have a go at Holgate as he has been better than £60 million of talent in Keane and Mina in recent weeks.
On another note - sort of mentioned already...
Brands should be starting to come under scrutiny now.
Iwobi - is one of the worst pieces of business I have ever seen
Mina - is proving more and more he is not a premier league centre back
Kean - we hope he comes good, but he aint showing much yet.
Thats nearly £100million with of “talent” that has major question marks over them.
302 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:50:52
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304 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:53:18
We are spineless weaklings with zero fight or leadership and never say a word. Teams coordinate their complaints and outrage but we've lacked this for years and we consistently get screwed over.
They have vastly superior footballers but there is no excuse for us not matching their fight and aggression. Teams from much lower leagues than the Championship would give them more problems.
305 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:55:01
There's a lot of opinions in football, but that isn't one of them. We are currently (roughly) a 7-1 TENTH favourite to be relegated this season with professional bookmakers.
306 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:55:25
Liverpool didn't go long because they had to. They went long because it was just so easy to do. Rest assured, that if we'd been more solid at the back, they just would have played through us.
We're rank. 5-2 flattered us and they didn't get out of second gear.
I admire how anyone on here can talk about solutions. I'm just feeling so deflated and almost apathetic that I can't muster an answer.
I've devoted a huge chunk of my life to this club. If I'm feeling apathetic after a Derby defeat then something's drastically wrong.
307 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:56:17
308 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:57:31
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310 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:58:46
Can you not agree that Everton have not given Silva the players he had last season, ie replaced Gueye and Zouma. Ok we got Gbamin and he got injured, but we don't even know he is good enough.
Everything coming out of Everton seemed to be about giving Silva time, and the reason to give him time was to then deliver the players he needed in January.
If the board did want to give him time, they then get another guy in place and wait. Say the guy they have agreed on is Marcelo Gallardo, we had to wait for the Libatardores to finish and that only just finished. It then takes a while to sort everything out.
It's not as quick as asking someone if he wants the job and simply agreeing a wage. Mourinho agreed to Spurs weeks before he took that job, just ask the Lyon owner, he said as much 4 weeks or so before Mourinho was appointed.
311 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:59:16
At least Unsworth knows most of the players and what they are capable (and more importantly incapable) of. If Moyes returns then the reaction will be almost as bad as Silva staying. Kenwright and Moshiri should stay well away.
That Gallardo from River Plate might be an adventurous choice and could maybe bring a couple a couple of hard cases from South America with him in January.
312 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:59:33
"Born, not manufactured" would be my answer – and thus consigned to a life of purgatory. Heartache indeed.
313 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:01:44
Dont think were going to agree at all here. I wrote an article at the start of the year called “Horses for Courses”, saying at the time that our formation (4-2-3-1) works against better opposition (as proven last season), however we need to tweak it depending on the opposition. I also said that I dont think Silva will do this.
Alas - Silva has persisted with the formation that works against better teams against teams that it will not work against. He has then tried something against Leicester, got a vaguely positive outcome and, rather then looking at the opposition, has played the exact same way again.
I do agree with you on Schneiderlin, he offers little, but can have a range of passing. What he does do though, is be very positionally disciplined and, in turn, limit the space between defence and midfield. I think that would have benefitted us at 0-0.
I also think Iwobi had a shocker and is looking less and less like a £35million player. DCL didnt offer much as a lone striker, but all it takes is a couple of flick ons (which he is more than capable of) for Kean to be in. Kean hasnt shown much as a lone striker so what would we have had to lose by playing 2 up front?
314 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:04:21
Same here. I quit being mad and tried gallows humor. But Ive about given up. Lots of blame to go around but ultimately it stems from Kenwright. A vain, self important charlatan who neither had the money nor sense to run a club. For years he was propped up by the shady Philip Green until he suckered this mug Moshiri into the club. Since then hes at the forefront of all positive but freely detaches himself from all negatives to any listening fan or journalist. I imagine he will resign before we are relegated or bankrupt and blame it all on Mosh
315 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:05:35
The standard might be worse, but surely he would be a significant improvement on what we have available, and surely he'd want to play for his old boss. He also seems a key player to Gallardo's tactics. Being from River, his wage demands should not be ridiculous (like the Walsh signings) and the transfer fee should be more reasonable than we are used to.
I'll be praying I don't wake up to Moyes tomorrow. Everywhere is saying Moyes. It's our worst nightmare. Where does this leave Brands? Will Moyes be signing up free agents Jack Rodwell and Victor Anichebe?
316 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:07:12
I agree we need the right type of Manager to motivate and organised the present squad.
317 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:12:15
Who knows what the correct path will be. But we are on the wrong path currently with Silva in charge and a Director of Football recruiting the players. We need to shake it up and reevaluate.
But whoever comes in, they need to put the spotlight on the players. Because these shirkers have let several managers down now. A new manager will not have a magic wand that can teach international players how to play football. What is missing is some of the basic things in football - passion, commitment, leadership, mentality. If Silva goes - and he has to go - these players should be in the firing line also.They have let us all down.
318 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:13:28
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321 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:24
I see it in the spineless performances. I can't see players or fans up for the fight. I've seen it before with Aston Villa, Leeds Utd, Nottm Forest, Sheffield Weds years ago. Stagnating acceptance of "we were good once."
For people saying they can't see it or we're too good to go down, well after seeing this season I'd actually be surprised if we stay up!
322 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:42
That's all our board can come up with, having known for at least a few weeks that Silva has to go???
Moyes? We should let them fucking have it at Goodison Park on Saturday.
323 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:17:22
It's become too comfortable at our club, players turning up in new Bentleys for training when they haven't achieved nothing. Our suffering fans have had enough — we're too nice as a club and this reflects on the pitch.
324 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:18:30
You want Duncan Ferguson to remain and manage and Coach this Squad or just to remain and keep putting the cones out for training?
325 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:18:40
I'd never have predicted that Dour Davey would ever be invited back to Goodison as first team coach, but this is Everton and we always expect the unexpected - all this on the anniversary (04.12.13) of our 'breakthrough' victory at Old Trafford six years ago courtesy of Oviedo, we were optimistic then what the hell has happened?
326 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:22:49
If Moshiri and Brands sanction this then they understand nothing.
327 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:24:43
328 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:26:06
I had this little dream that this was the day it all turned around. Silly me. Silva has to go in the morning, he knows it, we know it, if the board dont know it then there is a big problem at the club.
Right now I dont k ow who should replace him. Take a punt on someone with no PL experience? Chuck it all at Howe and see if he can fix the defence? Get Moyes in with Cahill as an assistant?
I think its likely to be Moyes on a short term contract now. With another rescue mission on the cards ala fat Sam. If thats the case they better have a strong candidate lined up for the summer!
329 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:29:50
I became a fan when Moshiri bought the Club, so I accept full responsibility for what's happened since then. It's my fault.
330 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:30:15
We did play two up front. The other one was Richarlison.
I dont disagree you should consider the opposition when setting up your team, especially if you are the inferior party however I think we have suffered from being the superior party for most of this season so far and not having chosen the formation which suited our best players best.
331 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:01
332 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:20
Take Iwobi for example. He was dreadful tonight, as were others. Some have been all season. But confidence is low, the managers tactics aren't working and Goodison is nervous. I still believe that the squad we have should be in the top half as a minimum.
That's not to say we're too good to go down - that would be a very dangerous attitude to have, but we absolutely don't need to overhaul the squad to pick up the results we need to comfortably avoid relegation.
Ironically, if Sam Allardyce were appointed tomorrow I think we'd all be relatively relaxed about the prospect of relegation. At the moment we need organisation, discipline and motivation - the very things that Allardyce pretty much guarantees. I am not for one second suggesting we should bring Allardyce back (God forbid!) but if we can find another manager who brings those attributes we really shouldn't have much to worry about. At the moment, the blame for every game we lose should to only be given to Silva but to the board who are allowing this untenable situation to continue.
333 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:22
Any ideas of us becoming a real force in the game will have to be put on the backburner whilst we regroup and concentrate on preserving our status in the top flight, whether enough supporters will be able to climb off the canvas to back this possible decision is open to debate and personally I'm not certain if I can, even though I understand the reasoning behind it.
334 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:38
335 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:32:36
336 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:32:43
a) Nobody is as clever as they think they are.
b) There's always somebody clever-er.
c) There's a time to keep it simple and park the bus, KITAP1, be Allardyce-esque, Dogs of War, work your nuts off, etc, etc.
This does depend on the players buying into it mind.
I fear no manager worth his salt, other than the mercenary chancers looking for a pay off, would touch us.
Any half decent local pub team manager (plus many on here) could orginise us to be hard to beat...but again, only if the players buy into it.
Moshiri needs to ask hard questions of him self and on down the food chain.
If you're in the bottom 3 and its nearly Christmas, that's relegation form, you're not in a false position.
Everybody needs to look at themselves, but will it happen?
Will it fuck.
We'll have some usual suspect of a has been, or hail mary miracle man whose name may or may not end in a vowel foisted / installed on us.
337 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:33:03
We have to do something.
Unsworth has managed the under 23s to 2 league titles. He has also managed the first team twice on a temporary basis.
Ferguson has coached at academy level. He has since coached under 4 managers at first team level.
I dont know which one of them should take the lead. But there is no point leaving Silva in charge now. A line was crossed a few weeks ago. Lets rip it up and try something - it cant be any worse than our current form.
Lets put Unsie and Duncan in charge short term while we come up with a plan.
338 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:33:46
I only ever watch football from Anfield when we play there so get an idea of how things change over time.
They have definitely turned attending a match into a full-time pantomime. Here's the bit where our designated banner wavers wave their banners, now everybody - scarves up, sing the song (tear up if it's your first time visiting from Toronto or Dubai). Now they've got the ball, all together now: BOOOOOO!
What a shower of wankers who can only get into following a team if they're successful and going the match is some sort of novelty show off activity. That's who they've attracted over the years: fairweather bandwagon jumpers and showboats, and that's who they are now. Klopp is their perfect pantomime hero.
I would argue they've even turned commemorating Hillsborough into a schmaltzy routine, all cooordinated action for the cameras. A bit undignified I thought.
I was getting me daughter ready for school watching the game (in Melbourne) and she screamed 'What!" when the ref bottled the penalty and later "I hate Liverpool!" That'll do me today.
I know the defending was rubbish (set up and effort) and some players didn't show the shirt respect. We can't go on like this particularly for the kids, who need to something to hold on to. But it was also a reminder of how we could never be like that and of our superiority as proper supporters.
In the next few days I'll have ones who know I'm a Blue bound up grinning and ask "Like the game?" To which I'll respond, "Remind me again, which part of Liverpool are you from?" Which is usually the end of the conversation.
Fuck them. Proud to be Blue.
339 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:34:11
Regarding Silva not having the players, yes its true, he may not of had his full squad but he has not made the most of what he has. Thats clear from league placement.
The players are not performing well enough true, but When you are up against it you need to change things. He tried against Leicester, too little too late.
Its simple. Even without the injuries he should be doing better. Last night is just the final nail
340 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:35:57
341 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:39:03
For the record, a 'Pro' licence is required to become a head coach/manager in the the Premier League.
342 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:39:31
Remember those jibe, snarky comments he made when leaving Club, thinking hed moved on to bigger and better things?
I will turn, with malice, against this Board if they appoint David fucking Moyes as interim manager.
344 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:41:08
Kenwright will make sure we stay up but without Moshiri. He'll soon push him out of the club in a palace coup and regain complete control.
345 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:41:55
346 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:42:04
347 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:42:42
Saturday will be only my 3rd game this season due to moderate health and a long journey, but I'm still looking forward. (I endured the Norwich game, so I'm conditioned!)
348 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:44:36
349 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:45:13
Can you blame them, ridiculous contracts that any sane businessman would never offer or sign up to.
I felt before tonights debacle, that the reason Silva was still the manager was because they had nobody in place to come in.
After tonight who in their right mind would take the job?
Eddie Howe? Not the answer, and Mrs Howe prefers to live in the south!
Rafa has a £20m penalty clause in his contract.
Arteta? Why would he come? Despite his inexperience, hes not daft, and will give us a wide berth.
Moyes? omg, believed to want a minimum 2yr contract. He would keep us up, but then what?
We are up the creek without a paddle.
Personally I cant see the wood from the trees.
What a mess, I will not be renewing my season ticket despite the price freeze.
350 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:49:33
That would mean, unfortunately for lots of us, the dream of Everton FC building a shiny new ground on the Docks will be put to bed or at the very least delayed. There's nothing these theatre types prefer than a well-worn reprise.
351 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:54:27
352 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:56:52
Football has moved on and Moyes hasn't. His relegation form shows it. He will take us where Sunderland are now. We are in a big enough hole as it is without digging even deeper with Moyes.
353 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:58:46
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355 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:02:12
I agree with you. It's not what I want, but as I said, I can't see the wood from the trees.
And who in their right mind (professionally) would currently entertain us?
356 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:04:29
Wilder is supposedly like, bleeding Sheffield, no?
Couple that with the fact hes only been in the Premier League not even half a season, hes no where on my radar.
I think hes a massive risk. Talk to me next year when everyone has figured him out, and hes either in or barely above the relegation zone.
357 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:07:34
They went into the game intending on exposing our back line, and they did a marvelous job of it.
Marco, oblivious to it all, never changed his high line. We got burned time and time again, and he never changed it. That, along with subbing Schneiderlin into the game down two goals, was the final, final, final, final, and yea, for a fifth time, final nail in the coffin for me.
358 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:10:24
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361 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:14:35
I was there at that Wimbledon game and the Coventry game when we were all but dead and buried. I have that suffocating feeling again and it's more than frightening.
I probably WILL be there on Saturday with a heavy heart but as I live in Liverpool it would be very remiss of me to avoid it when Blue's fans are making tortuous journeys from afar. So I wish you a smooth, stress-free journey and good health! And a turn-up in our fortunes! God knows we deserve it!
362 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:15:19
So we have Sidibe well advanced, and a high line with the slow Keane, and Holgate who just gets turned inside out.
363 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:21:51
Again I agree with you; however, I fear that Kenwright still can't let go, and has some unknown hold over Moshiri despite his overwhelming stake in the club.
As you say it's Brands job, but does he have the free rein that he is purported to have. I do wonder!
364 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:23:28
I was glad to see the back of Martínez, Ronald and Allardyce but am sorry to see Marco go. I liked his ideas, his intentions, his decency. Unfortunately it never quite knitted together.
Onwards and upwards. As long as that doesnt include Moyes or Hughes.
365 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:29:38
I will be back at Goodison for Chelsea game, I will be hopeful of a draw, but right now I need a big Jack's before I get up for work at 06:00 hrs. Goodnight all, keep the faith.
366 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:34:02
Man City, Pats, and Yankees? Leaving the fact that no self-respecting Bostonian / New England's would EVER root for a New York team, that son-in-law of yours is the poster-boy for band wagon jumping glory hunter!
If anyone ever tells you they like a Boston team and a New York team, proceed with caution.
God bless him and all.
367 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:51:37
Kenwright may want Moyes but this time I hope the man Moshiri put on the board Mr Brands as director of football operations chooses the new manager, and gets someone he believes will not take a knife to a gunfight but take an anti tank weapon.
We need a winner not someone who done OK last time he was here, OK doesn't cut it anymore, ambition breeds success and ambition is something sadly lacking at Everton F.C. and hiring Moyes because he done OK last time is simply saying we have no ambition.
368 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:02:43
There is enough quality to keep us up, but someone other than Marco and the hapless backroom crew need to deal with the situation. Over to you Mr Moshiri.
That JD before bed has helped a bit., however, any lukewarm feelings towards the Liverpool fans are rapidly being washed away after all the crass behaviour tonight. God what horrible entitled bastards they are. Sorry, pissed and so tired.
369 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:08:11
370 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:12:57
If I may John, I'd like to reply by way of a personal anecdote.
I've always loved nature documentaries me. The amazing diversity nature offers. The imaginative ways such documentaries are filmed. David Attenborough is arguably the greatest broadcaster that has ever lived in my eyes.
The reason I mention this is way back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, living in Liverpool, finding work in Liverpool, was very stark for a teenage adolescent as I was then.
But then, I watched a nature documentary which quite literally changed my life, a lesson that remains with me to this day 40 years later.
It showed an African tribe and how they hunted for one of their favourite foods: monkey meat. It was so absurdly easy to capture one.
They would find a natural hollow in a tree trunk, or gorge one out, and place a piece of fruit inside the hollow that would attract a monkey to it.
The key to the exercise was the hollow was wide enough for the monkey to pass its open palm through, but when it made a fist to grab the fruit inside, it couldn't extract its clenched fist as long as it held on to the piece of fruit.
The hunters didn't even have to sprint to the tree to capture the monkey once he was ensnared, even though the monkey was screeching in fear as they approached. They simply casually strolled up to net the monkey.
Why? Because the monkey was simply unwilling to release the fruit, thus unclenching its fist and enabling it to withdraw its now flat palm, allowing it to escape and live another day.
I saw myself in that monkey, ensnared by my own fears of leaving my family, my friends, the city, the familiar, to seek happiness and fulfilment in far away places.
I chose to let go, to liberate myself, to dare. I have had an exceedingly happy, diverse and fulfilled life as a result of a chance watching of that nature documentary.
Even before I left the familiar, I was challenged by those closest to me "How can you afford it?" The question wasn't only related to the financial, but how could I afford to go out into the big wide world alone without the close network of family and friends and the environment I was most familiar with.
My reply? "I can't afford not to." The implication being that I wanted to be happy, fulfilled, discover and explore new things. I could not achieve that if, like that monkey, I wanted to hold on to the past and the present but lose my liberty.
To bring my personal anecdote back to who should be the next Everton manager, the appointment should not be made based on or motivated by fear.
Those lobbying for a Moyes or Allardyce-like appointment are, in my opinion, doing just that. By following that approach you are effectively conceding getting anything out of this season beyond avoiding relegation which is not a given even with those limited specimens.
We are now past game 15 in the PL season. After the Norwich game it was only game 12. I posted then it was maybe time to let Silva go rather than passively let this debacle continue allowing him even more games to exacerbate the problems and poor points return even more. We need to act, decisively, NOW!
I am totally, but totally opposed to yet another caretaker appointment on Moshiri's watch, or the return of a recent ex-manager. HKII and HKIII did not end well for us. Flores II did not work out well for Watford this very season.
There are plenty of good unemployed managers available. There are plenty of good employed managers available.
It befalls to Moshiri and Brands (I repeat, NOT Kenwright) to find a big personality to lift the players, the fan base, the entire club, from its inertia and somnolence, selling him the club and making him an offer he cannot refuse.
In spite of what some are stating, there are good players at Everton that an inspirational and well-organized coach good get a better tune out than we have seen this season.
The remainder of this season could enable a full-time appointment to make progress with HIS team now for the following season. A caretaker appointment would literally waste this time ahead of contracting a full-time manager in the summer.
It will be deeply concerning on many levels if Moshiri and Brand's preferred solution is to reinstate Moyes, signalling as I said earlier that if they sanction it, then they understand nothing.
371 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:16:23
372 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:29:17
Unfortunately it is becoming more likely with this manager and an uninspired team. We MUST change, but please appoint someone only until the end of the season. Our lofty pre-season goals are once again shattered in the worst possible way. We just cannot be relegated. We need passion on the sidelines as well as on the field. COYB and show us that you also have Blue Blood, and that playing for Everton means far more than a big pay check.
You owe it to the loyal fans to dig deeper than you have ever done before for the rest of the season. There are at least 40,000 and more who are always behind you, depressed as they might be. Always Blue and Revenge in Janaury!!!
373 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:31:46
Thats exactly what he did with Paul Gregg.
Ray #363. I am sure BK had it in the conditions of sale that he would stay on as chairman.
I know that was in the original sale terms as that is why we couldnt find a buyer for 15 years.
Nobody would be that stupid. OH er enter Mr Moshiri.
374 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:38:30
375 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:39:32
Yes, he has had bad luck with injuries and crucial Referee/VAR decisions, costing vital points. But there can be no more excuses for his apparent inability to:
a) Grasp the most basic principles of the art of defence.
b) Pick our strongest team available.
c) Man-manage his players.
d) Formulate a game plan.
e) Engage supporters with rapport and passion.
Surely there is no way back now. Put Unsworth in charge until a successor is in place.
I hope that the first thing any new manager does is to see through the facade that is Jordan Pickford. He has never impressed me, regardless of penalty saves and acrobatics, either for us or England. We will never build a successful team with him as keeper. He's a good shot stopper, but that's all. I was ridiculed for saying similar about Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson a while back, when everyone was singing their praises. Time proved me right. I'll go one further and say Iwobi is below the level required and Moise Kean will prove to be no better than Niasse.
Radical changes are needed again. Gbamin is an unknown quantity and the best player on the books, Gomes, is similarly sidelined for who knows how long.
We are at the same point as when Allardyce was appointed. Financially, relegation would mean ruin so has to be avoided at all costs. The powers that be will take no chances. So I am under no illusions that the next person at the helm will be required to do exactly the same again. Keep us afloat and survive in the Premier League. Any further Cup progress this season, as unlikely as it might seem, would provide a much-needed bonus.
Our long-suffering fans certainly deserve any Cup joy that may come their way.
376 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:41:53
We'd be on 15 points half way through the season, pacing for 30 for the entire season, and a minimum of -14 goal differential.
That.. . is.. . dire.. .
If they don't admit they're on the road to relegation and make a change - a change that should be announced in about six hours when opening for business around 9 a.m. - we're doomed.
377 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:51:23
So that's 18 points (optimistically) halfway through, and a 36 point-season-pace. Around a -12 to -13 goal differential.
Ah crap, it's still relegation.
378 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:57:29
379 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:05:20
380 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:12:45
Jamie Crowley HSC - does have a certain ring to it.
By the way - a warning for Mr Moshiri. My missus of 49 years, who was an Evertonian well before I met her has just told me “I am not following Everton anymore if Moyes is appointed manager - I will follow Jose.”
It must be really bad considering she has put up with me through thick and thin all those years.
381 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:14:24
For all your insight and well thought out contribution you then come out with the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever had to read on TW
"David Attenborough is arguably the greatest broadcaster that has ever lived in my eyes."
No arguement about it, he is the best, ever.
I hope you take the 40 lashes as punishment you so deserve, like a man.
Thank you, PK
382 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:26:38
383 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:44:03
Ohhh, I dunno about that Paul.
There's about another 2-3 post I've written this very day worst than that. ;-)
384 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:46:28
385 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:51:11
It begs the question: Why, when Gana left, did Silva do his best to get Macca out of the club?
We have always had at least one motivator in our side, whether it be Watson, Carsley, Cahill or one of dozens of others, but with Coleman and Baines past it, there isn't one of the old battlers left. Not one of the present side is up for a battle against the odds, and when Moyes first arrived, he had almost a full side of warriors (Unsie, Cars, Dunc etc) who just needed coaching properly; if that tosser returns, what can he do with this bunch of boy scouts?
No, it looks like our luck has finally run out, and we're leaving the land of milk and honey (that our own greedy board fought so hard to build) and dropping down to where we belong. At least we won't have to be annually humiliated by our red cousins, and hopefully, the Boys Pen Bullshitter will see this as his moment for the great escape, before questions arise over his 3rd failed ground move...
Luton here we come!
386 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:09:40
My guess is theyve looked around at the right candidates but cannot get anyone to join. Silva is untenable and is twisting no the wind poor sod. Theyll have to stomach Moyes to get us to 17th then sack him regardless of the contract he signs.
387 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:14:52
Unfortunately that day was 26 yrs ago, 26 fucking years!!! it's hard typing it.
But it happened through good managerial nouse. Remember talking to Andy Hinchcliffe in Plumbers bar on Hardman Street, I remember telling him he was the best left back with the sweetest left foot I'd seen and he'll play for England one day, his reply was "I wish the manager felt the same way you do", and looked down at his feet embarrassed at my comment. I just said, "trust us lad, youll eat those words, I know a good player when I see one". He appreciated the gesture and shook my hand then introduced me to the rest of the gang, Barry Horne-hammered, everyone else-hammered.
I ain't Einstein, but point being, a good manager will recognise players who fit a system, motivate them and make them feel like the best fucking players ever to grace a togger pitch and make it happen.
Andy Hinchcliffe probably thought I was a besotted fan, humble he was, but I actually believed it. So did Joe Royle. That's the difference, making people believe, plus setting up tactics and all that, something Marco Silva ain't got. And that's my take, treat yourself to a 4 egger and go from there.
388 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:43:32
I don't see the talented players we are supposed to have, the players themselves have the cheek to think they are a good talented squad of players. We have been unlucky and played well in parts according to Holgate. What an imposter insulting us with that shite.
The whole back four needs replacing they are that bad and the keeper should have been dropped after the City game.
The midfield is slow laboured and talentless, Bernard apart, the skill level is appalling. And strikers – they're that bad I would even consider recalling Niasse.
389 Posted 05/12/2019 at 05:13:24
In my opinion, getting another foreign unproven Premier League manager would be a huge gamble with the club's future. I would go for Moyes or Dyche. I wait for the missiles from those who seemingly know better.
390 Posted 05/12/2019 at 05:57:44
If that utter charlatan returns, I will have to seriously reconsider the time and effort I commit to following this club. Which is mostly here on this website.
391 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:19:03
392 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:23:43
Some positives from last night though. Pickford finally questioned by more than 3 people and realisation the players are shit too.
393 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:30:02
Mr Brands, this is your hour. Earn your money, assert yourself and take control of the footballing decisions. If you are not allowed to, then you should resign.
We are now seeing how disastrous the Moshiri-Kenwright axis is - and was always going to be.
394 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:47:03
He has been our best manager in the past 20 years. Yet despite this your site as much as I like reading the articles and appreciate the effort your team put in, has had a narrative against Moyes for many years. This started well before he left, repeated abuse directed at him based on being dour, ginger and a pragmatist. Fans moaning about him because we werent finishing in the top 4 in the league every year and even some because we werent winning the league.
This is the manager who bought Stones, Cahill, Arteta, Jags, Baines, Coleman, Distin, Lescott, Carsley, Fellaini to name a few. Sure he had some dudes too, who doesnt but he found real talent for almost zero money.
I used to defend our teams performances under Moyes many times after we had won but only by a one goal margin or not in the style some fantasists preferred.
Moyes returning would bring some much needed stability into our club. Its been run using a flawed model by Moshiri. Brands is a joke, so was Walsh. Moyes found much better value in the market and would never have allowed us to start a season with only 2 recognised CBs.
I think Silva isnt a bad coach, but hes been badly let down by Brands and had to work with a unbalanced squad all through his tenure. He has to go now, but so does Brands and bring back a structure where we have a manager in charge not a corporate organisational chart that looks like something based on a investment bank, in which each person have reporting lines and performance reviews, 360 feedback and agreed goals. All corporate baloney that doesnt work in a football club.
Give the power to a manager who can spot talent, appoint his back room team, sign players and run the club without the ineffective Brands interfering.
Now put your toys back in your pram Michael, or close TW down, at least we wont have to put up with the anti Moyes narrative anymore.
395 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:52:53
However this lot have been bought at huge expense & we still dont have a cohesive team that oozes grit & determination when the chips are down.
Last night I was stupid enough to be buoyed when I saw there team selection (more fool me). I thought Klippertys arrogance might bite him on the backside. But as soon as they went one up, I realised it was going to be a long 90 minutes & Klippertys head would swell from the undoubted media fawning that would follow over his selection.
Dont get me wrong, the shite were the better side last night & deserved the win (Ive been sick in my mouth). However the media will fawn all over them after this & lead everyone to believe that we are witnessing the birth of the greatest club side ever & make no mistake there is an appetite in the media for the shite to win the title & I have lost count of the people I have read or heard in the media saying that it would be nice to see the shite win the premier league as they havent won it before. That in itself is b.s., the bastards have won the league more than enough times & football wasnt invented in 1992 with skys rebranding.
Lets be honest they never mesmerised us with breathtaking football to score their goals. Long balls that our previous manager would have been proud of undid us (Lovren got an assist, ffs!). This should have been food & drink to a defence with two giant centre backs. Instead we were carved open with ease from these long balls, amateur!
Such an embarrassing score line, but sadly not totally unexpected.
A shame the transfer market doesnt function like the high street. We cant go back to the selling club with our receipt & say this one you sold me is defective, it doesnt work (literally!), I want my money back.
As for Silva, I wanted him to do well as with any Everton manager, because if they do well, we do well, it goes hand in hand.
But his time is up now, I dont really want to see another manager sacked, as many have said the problems run deeper than just the manager. However he has totally lost the fans & the team hasnt performed well enough for him this season, for both his & the players failings.
Bring on the next game... I suppose!
396 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:00:27
How Moshiri sorts this out is anyone's guess, I haven't a clue, but I can see us going down because of his total incompetence. My only priority would be to stay in the premiership, I've no idea who we could hire to achieve this, I'm pretty sure Moshiri hasn't either, anything could happen. We have absolutely no say in the decision, it's frustrating and hopeless at the moment. I hope he sells up and hands the club to someone more worthy.
397 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:03:12
398 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:05:36
399 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:24:36
We played well in parts and kept going. They scored some wonderful goals, the first is just pure class but apart from Pickford looking foolish in no man's lands (again) it's about pace (Keane to slow to play a high line) and a superb couple of passes.
The other goals were mostly about not learning our lessons continuing to play a high line which they exposed time and again. Why have 3 slow defenders playing a high line trying to play offside against their pacey attack was foolish.
Silva and the players are all to blame. One CD needed to push up with the other 2 dropping deeper or at least have Holgate dropping deeper for his better pace.
Anyway I'm not for sacking Silva because of this defeat. But we need 9 points on the board before FA Cup game and to beat Liverpool. If not achieved then sack him.
In the meantime get a few managers lined up, hopefully Pochettino or Mancini.
400 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:24:56
Right now, I couldn't agree more.
It's the way things are, don't think I've ever felt so desperate, (apart from that one night at the Grafton when some bird said she'd hump a dog with a limp Dick but spurned my advances at the last dance).
401 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:14
I spewed it at 3-1 but saw the stats today and wondered how we achieved such a result.
402 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:20:28
403 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:21:32
This is a club in decline and has been since 2015. People might be surprised looking in at where we are in the league but Im more surprised we havent been in the bottom half of the table more.
404 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:25:43
Why would you put Moyes in when there are two decent managers free with prem experience.
405 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:30:17
I know many have said it would be a wake-up call to sample the Championship, and it would serve the incompetence of the Board right for their flippant approach and scattergun appointments in the not too distant past.
No, I disagree, the wake-up call has been there for weeks, even months, but has generally been ignored until it has come to this sad and sorry present situation.
Besides there are no guarantees that we would bounce straight back up, should the perishable thought of us being in the Championship materialise.
Allegedly the Board are meeting this morning, to not only discuss the future of Silva but to stop the rot and appoint someone who can, and there is just enough time, to maintain our Premiership occupancy even if it's lower or mid-table!
406 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:45:51
For me and the many truly great Everton Fans - - like my grandson - -26 years old had a Season Ticket for more than 20 years - - home and away - - for me - - 1 year ago recovering in hospital from major heart surgery and cancer and yet still asked nurses for Everton results and lay in Broadgreen Hospital Bed watching Sunday morning MOTD when we won at Leicester with "tubes" everywhere - - CLASS and RAMPANT CAPITALISM - - Moshiri can walk away - - he's played with his expensive toy - - Silva ( God help him) was played with and now "paid" off - - don't have to talk to the fans or listen - - can't hear them from Monaco or wherever - - it's just money to them.
Not for us - - scars on our hearts - - souls scratched and hurt - - spirit dragged down and tortured - - - but me and my grandson and my daughter and you and your sons and daughters and fathers and mothers -- and grandkids - - who built this Club - - - will we walk away - - no - - See You All at Goodison on Saturday:
Everton is a concept
By which we measure
I'll say it again
Everton is a concept
By which we measure
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Moshiri
I don't believe in Moyes
I just believe in me
Evertonians and me
And that's reality.
407 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:38
Its Moshiri's club and he has picked the last 3 managers.
Optimism and atmopshere will take us down now.
408 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:52:01
Id go with Cahill as assistant coach/manager to a manager who would keep us up.
However, does an assistant coach/manager have to be fully licensed or working for their badges?
I guess well find out later today, surely!
Id also get Alan Stubbs in as a defensive coach, another blue blood.
To all of you with a wish list, it might be Xmas, but Santa hasnt got what you want.
This season is now about survival, end of.
409 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:56:53
I've said it before.. Moshiri is a footballing idiot and Kenwright is a devious aul fart.
That combination has us where we are.. directly and indirectly.
410 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:57:55
So get rid of Richy, Digne..We can get top dollar for them
Maybe a few bob for Pickford and attempt to start anew.
One thing that gives me some grim satisfaction is that Tiny Tears will be the chairman who takes us down. First time since 1954 ? He can regale his luvvy mates with that ho ho bleeding ho
411 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:00:16
412 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:11:31
12 months ago we did alright and then had a terrible Xmas period extending into February! I wrote back then we had to grow out of depending on Geuye to get the ball back all the time and there was a clear weakness down the right that needed addressing. 12 months on we still need to grow out of depending on Gueye - trouble is he has already moved on. Keep the ball but use it quickly is something we struggle to do but we need to keep trying, it is the right system.
The BIG problem is we are once again conceding too many goals - all season. There are centre backs that we seem to be using in a way that exposes their weaknesses - the only reason for this must be while we wait for centre backs that can play in the system we want or our current players develop their game - otherwise, we do not score either. Did we stop conceding from set-pieces?
It isn't too difficult to see the faults and the results of some of the work needed to fix them but right now we just need points and if Silva won't stop the teams playing in a way that concedes goals then he is planning for his own departure. Goals conceded brings defeat, defeats breed pressure, pressure drains away confidence if the results don't come in and so on. Managers like Moyes turned this kind of situation around more than a few times so it can be done, but it doesn't look like Silva is pragmatic enough to do it - he has had long enough.
Another good old Everton fightback from the brink really isn't good enough at this stage as we pump ever more money into the salary bill, another new manager isn't either. However, results are everything and the minimum we expect is top half.
414 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:14:37
Greg O'Keeffe at The Athletic says Moyes was mooted 5 weeks ago but the fan backlash and Moyes reluctant to accept an interim role put it on ice. So, if true Moyes wants the job full time. Not going to happen in my eyes.
415 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:17:02
Not a lot of thought went into the selection of the team last night and the tactics, as usual with Silva and his coaches if they have an input, were off the cuff, get out there and do your best, which most of the players failed at, apparently, I didnt see the game.
Not a lot can be said of our present predicament, weve all seen it coming to be honest. How do we get out of it is the question most of us are asking, is there anyone within the club with the nous to provide a winning answer. Surely there is someone.
416 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:17:43
We were not expected to match them last night on a footballing level, but did anyone else notice that they were so much fitter and faster than us ? Or am I just imagining that.. is it desire, hunger, confidence or maybe even better timed runs - or fitness alone ? Or all of the above ? And did they have magnets in their shoes to have that ball sticking to their feet each time a pass was made ? Different class I'm afraid. And certainly a different mindset. But I had to laugh at their foul throw (despite an expert teaching them only that). Otherwise nothing to laugh about.
417 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:20:05
I said after the Leicester defeat that RS would murder us if we played the same formation and he did and they did!
We all know how they play. I was a centre half and if I was up against faster strikers I would drop off five yards rather than play a high line. We were so easy to beat last night and they filled their boots and should have scored seven ( ok we should have had four).
The jubilant “ experts” in the media are saying we played their B team- what bollocks! They rested two forwards but we were without our entire first choice midfield.
Anyway, basically we were awful. Why play Siggy again and expose Tom against three players? Tom gets some stick but at least he tried. The defence was woeful- what was Pickford doing in no mans land for the first and second? Why did Silva not tell the defence to drop deeper to prevent the long diagonal ball? Why did he not see on Sunday that a five man back line exposes the midfield? Siggy did nothing to help Tom and wasnt he the most expensive player on the pitch? Our pursuit of him and Silva was astounding at the time and whoever advised it is very culpable now.
So we have to change, and quickly as we go there again in four weeks time. This needs someone who can get a grip quickly and who will not pick players because of their price tag. Someone who will give youngsters a chance. Someone to take control of what is a very dangerous situation- above all a confident leader who the rest will want to follow.
Who is that man? Not Eddie Howe- his teams play good football but the similarities with Martinez ( cant defend) and even Koeman( may not fancy the North West) are there. Is Benitez a busted flush at 59 or does he have a burning desire to lift and revitalise a club he detested.
I am not up to speed on foreign managers but Simeone doesnt speak English,doesnt know the league and would surely be up for the Arsenal job anyway?
I would throw the dice with Arteta who is multi lingual, knows the club, knows the league, is intelligent and has been learning from the best. He had a nasty streak as a player too so would not be anyones pushover. If Tim came with him then so much the better.
Ultimately Brands knows far better than any of us. Silva was Moshiris man and I suspect Brands went along with it being new to the job himself. Now lets see what Brands is made of because he must now step up and take control of this complete and utter mess we are in.
Very sad to see this great club in such a state and my sympathies to all those going to work today having to face the taunts.
418 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:25:50
419 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:30:31
Kenwright is wholly responsible for this mess. He appointed Martinez, a relegated manager when the clubs stock was as high as it had been for years. We should have got a quality manager then when we could. Instead kenwright went for the nasty cheap version and started the rot that has just been carried on by moshiri.
I love what Moyes did for us, took us from the abyss and made us competitive again and hate him for fucking us over. However, since he left his record has been shocking. Going on performance alone you wouldn't have him anywhere near the place but from reports, we are going to appoint him. You couldn't make this shit up. The lunatics are running the asylum!
420 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:33:09
Our fans' relationship with the club hierarchy is getting toxic and deteriorating by the day. I genuinely fear that our club will rupture if we make yet another divisive hire. We have to find a manager who understands the ambition of the club, excites the fans and will give us a winning style of play that matches our personality. I hate to say it but Klopp has achieved that at Liverpool and a hire of his stature is the only way this club can go forward.
421 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:34:03
422 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:37:00
Sorry! what was the question?
423 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:40:55
Far too many to individually point out, so here's my few bob worth.
- Holgate and Keane were terrible and partly responsible for most of the goals.
- Sigurdsson's slow build up in attack cost us the first goal. Instead of a dynamic attack on the break, his turtle like run gave them the chance to get the ball out and start a counter.
- Calvert-Lewin will never score a goal like Origi's second goal.
- It was grim, but it was also telling that neither players nor manager seemed to celebrate Everton's two goals. Both goals actually revived the match so it's plain that the players have given up and Silva knows he's gone regardless.
It's actually to a point now that I feel sorry for Silva. As has been said a couple of times over the past few weeks, he didn't employ himself and he can't sack himself - yes, he can quit but not many managers do that. That the club has allowed him to manage consecutive away games against the two best teams in the league is akin to animal cruelty.
I was thinking earlier that if Everton are relegated then these players probably have release clauses in their contracts so they'd be getting away with murder. Then I realised that these players wouldn't have the bottle to compete in the very physical Football League so we'll be lucky not to have them. THEN I realised that a lot of these players may NOT have release clauses because who in their right mind could have predicted relegation with the signings being made?
Basically, if we're stuck with even half of these players in the event of relegation, 46 matches is a long fucking season.
424 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:41:56
425 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:47:48
All these cities have more than one team but there are relatively few that know who they are.
We're rapidly becoming a One club City.
Sort it Mr Moshiri or history will not judge you well.
426 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:56:12
Although that rather lofty distinction does tend to grate somewhat..
427 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:03:14
Why on earth we were playing a high line I really, really don't understand. I rated Silva very highly and still help out hope for him a month or so back but once we failed to turn up against Norwich its just been over.
428 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:04:01
For a number of reasons: listening to Henry, Bobby BS last night I came to the conclusion that sacking Silva puts us in the same place as we were 2 seasons ago, and do we want a repeat of the, sack the manager get a short term fix to get us out of the shite? Only read Moyes for Allardyce.
Some years ago we got tonked 3-0 at Mordor and saint and greavsey(remember them) commented 'men against boys' and it was truly feckin abysmal. I was in the Kendall out camp and spent the night cursing and blinding him, I thought we were doomed with a useless manager at the helm...what do I know.
Yes I'm critical of Silva; his reliance on the old guard, the baffling substitutions, his apparent inability to act proactively or out think a clever manager; which was on display vs Sheff U and Leicester.
But perhaps if the board say to him he's got the rest of the season to turn it round, maybe everyone, players and staff will relax a little. We've got great players but no team, and that's still the case whoever's in charge.
429 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:05:00
He must have thought he was odds-on for the sack so it didn't matter if he threw his players under the bus. Either way, they aren't going to give him their wholehearted support if he's allowed to carry on destroying our Premier League status.
The fact he failed to show any emotion at all in response to our second goal spoke volumes. No matter what the score, a good manager at least acknowledges a good goal by his team, even if it's a simple hand clap. Silva showed nothing and that summed him up for me, a serial loser, a cold fish personality, masquerading as a Premier League manager.
What's worrying me is that it's ten a.m already and still no announcement. Please God, don't let Moshiri take pity on him and give him even more time to drive us ever closer to relegation.
How, much time do Moshiri and the board need after last night's horror show? Frankly, I don't care now who they appoint. Even Moyes couldn't be worse than Silva. Come to think of it, Dougal the dog from Magic Roundabout would be a vast improvement on Silva.
430 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:12:27
Moshiri and his money is the worst thing that couldve happened to us.
Just look at the amount we were willing to spend on Zaha who is a decent enough player but nowhere near where our club valued him.
Under his regime Id say that only Digne, Richarlison and Gueye can be considered anywhere near successful signings.
And the others? Well they are worse than some of the garbage we signed in that fateful summer of 1997. But at least Kendall spend modest fees on absolute garbage than the fortunes we are spending now on garbage.
Its not rocket science but when you are the only club vying for the signatures of players like Michael Keane, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Alex Iwobi its usually a clue that perhaps they are not good enough. All of them were previously assessed by bigger clubs than ours as being good enough to release also.
Forget fancy modern terms like ‘recruitment etc. Keep it simple and sign good players for decent value.
You risk setting an unrealistic expectation when you invest those kinds of sums. Ill be honest I did think that our club must see something in these players that perhaps I hadnt.
A bit like LFC with the likes of Robertson and Wijnaldum. They obviously saw something that non experts wouldnt. Each has been moulded perfectly into a very good system and as a result they look like excellent players.
EFC is a complete shambles. With absolutely no sense of identity or purpose.
And I feel sick about it.
431 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:16:44
You can all see now our strike force is pathetic. Absolute pathetic
Them pricks across the park are teaching us a fine lesson daily, not just last night..
Standards are levels apart. 4 goalscorers in attack, we have none really.
Buying quality over quantity. Essential things to improve..absolute joke this Moshiri era.
Brian, what were you watching mate. Their first goal included about 5 mistakes of ours.
Players are not good enough to carry out the tactics.
Do man for man (both sides) from last years Derby at Anfield. Look at the difference in how ours coped against a better Liverpool 11.
I can't believe people still denying or refusing to see the obvious.
This is a team of weaklinks and the manager has got that to work with.
Tommy Carter, excellent post. Dead easy to spot a good player isn't it.
After we played the mighty Ruzembrok at home, that Toffeetv joker said Michael Keane looked absolute class. In a 1-0 win v the mighty Ruzembrok.
That lunatic is feeding that message to 20 odd thousand subscribers. 🙈
432 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:19:25
433 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:21:35
434 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:22:05
435 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:28:14
It appears he doesn't know how to coach them or change tactics either. Heaven forbid that after the first one he didn't get off his arse and walk across the corridor to Brands office opposite to at least enquire about future direction regarding signing players. No, according to the experts he just continued playing losing football without it being his fault. Who was it they said was most blind?
436 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:33:56
So yeah great players
437 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:37:45
438 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:38:34
Everton sold half there soul, when they appointed Sam Allardyce (some would say more than half) but if they appoint David Moyes, then I can no longer support the club I love, because I would feel now that the club have got no pride left. (Desperate men, do desperate things)
A very bold statement, especially because Moyes is pragmatic, and Ive been asking for pragmatism, but hes only half a pragmatist, and is alright until you ask him to go and win.
He left to a heroes reception, and then stuck the knife in right away. Sir Alex this, and how could we stand in the players way? David Moyes is a bullshitter of the highest order, and to call him yesterdays man, is a sad indictment, because Moyes has been in the game most of his life, and what the fuck has he ever won?
Hell keep us safe? Relegation might or might not finish Everton, but it would never stop me going to watch them, but if David Moyes comes, Im finished. So sad.
439 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:41:14
The lady of the many names posted on Everton website on the Tuesday. Obviously pre-empting the result!
440 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:42
Later, of course he took off DCL, who needed help all night, but at least he went 4-4-2 with Richarlison and Kean up together.
Origi showed how to play target man.
441 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:57
When it was obviously not working he brought off Sidibe who was at least having a go and left 3 centre halfs on who were having a nightmare game.
He then brought off Davis for Sneids when we needed a player who could run at them.
Then to cap it all he brought off DCL for Kean when we needed to score.
And that tells me everything you need to know about Silvas management, and to think there are still some fans who want him kept on, incredible.
442 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:45:29
Moshiri seems to be immune from the criticism that Kenwright has always had.
443 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:46:59
Silva arrived looking like he knew he was going to be sacked and I've no doubt he will be today.
Nearly every report coming out is stating that Moyes will be appointed. These are dark days indeed, I am waiting for the presser with BK lauding him as coming back to his spiritual home etc... With Moyes grinning like a Cheshire Cat.
This will finish not only me but a vast swath of blues as well, this once great club of ours has sunk to depths even I could not imagine.
444 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:05:19
However - my glass remains half full in that I do not think it would take too much to turn this group of players in to a decent cohesive unit. Last night was a debacle, the defence was abject, but we are the first visitors to Mordor this season to score two in the league, we made chances and we were close to scoring 4. We could have had a penalty although one could argue that so should the RS, but it is not the result about which I post but the positives.
We have undoubtedly had our share of bad luck with missed chances, VAR, etc and we do have a decent squad of players. They're just badly out of tune. Kean should get more game time as to my eyes he is showing genuine potential. Ok he missed a very viable chance to open his account - I was willing that ball to go the other side of the post, even on replays - but to put it into perspective Mane missed an equally, if not better, opportunity and also missed out on a 1 to 1 with Pickford which was eventually tidied up by Holgate. Not many chances are going to fall in a 15 minute cameo here and there although at least he got a decent 35 mins or so last night. He appears very strong for his age, clearly determined and is a little unlucky not to have scored 3 goals in his short time so far.
The defence is a shambles. I thought Holgate did ok last night and like the guy. Keane and Mina both have good games in them but are unreliable partly due to confidence and partly, I assume, down to simply poor coaching. Do we actually have a defensive coach? I was asking the same when Roberto was in charge.
Silva's time is up. That much is clear and I do genuinely feel sorry for him. I think he is close to being good but needs to learn from others at this level. Quite who should replace him I struggle with. Hughes is a no for me, I don't fancy Benitez as an Everton man, Moyes (interim) could probably sort out the defence and he didn't do a bad job at West Ham. I hear the opinions of many on here but do not share the vitriol. I had him down to be the next ManU manager 3 years before he got it, and what a poisoned chalice that was to accept. Rhino I would be behind lock, stock and barrel but as big a risk as any.
I do not concur with those saying no one with any credentials would touch us because sure as eggs are eggs they would be have been looking very closely at the overall set up, squad, potential and management, and form their own conclusions and hopefully see more than a free meal ticket. I hear Simeone is soon likely to leave Athletico and if he could be persuaded, he might just be the conductor this orchestra needs.
445 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:15:22
446 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:17:06
To be fair, I think he should have subbed Keane off rather than Sidibe, and I'm certainly not saying Silva should be kept around, but you've gone against a provable fact there.
447 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:26:34
448 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:27:49
A half-decent manager will have this side in the top half in no time. By that, I mean someone who sends a team on the pitch with purpose, looking like they know what they're meant to be doing, looking like they don't have to take three touches before making a decision, looking like they believe they'll win. One that picks the pacey players and gets them playing quickly.
Poor Marco, he'd be an excellent coach if he had better players, more money, more luck, if perhaps if the opposition didn't walk onto the pitch.
His presence is, in my view, an albatross around our neck. His record speaks for itself. To use the political phrase, he is in office, but not in power.
If your loved one was in hospital for an operation, would you want the old surgeon with the old instruments & techniques who hasn't practised for a few years, or the one with the up to date experience, tools & techniques that talks about your recovery?
That's our choice. I know what I'd choose.
449 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:38:05
What's Blue Bill's next big idea - bringing back 'Our Wayne' as fitness coach and relationship adviser?
Robert @450. Is Josh free on Saturday?
450 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:39:48
My proudest moment as an Everton fan came less than a month ago and involves my son Josh. To set the scene Josh was born in London in the Chelsea and Westminster hospital and has as a consequence grown up supporting Chelsea (we now live in Norwich). His aunt horrified at seeing him wear a Chelsea kit has over the years continued to buy him Everton Kit, which he will occasionally wear. Josh, by admittedly a dad's bias has football talent and has been "scouted" for the academy and is his Team's leading goal scorer. Now, a dad can dream but in reality, Josh is in all probability not going to make it to the professional level (but not for want of my encouragement). The moment of pride came the game after his coach had chewed him out for over celebrating after scoring against a weak team. As a punishment he benched Josh in the next game. Come that game his side were losing 1-0 and Josh was pleading with his coach to come on. No dice! the opposition scored their second and the kid that scored ran over to his set of fans - the dad wearing a Liverpool hat. 2 nil down Josh got his wish and was sent on. Busting a gut to get his side back in the game he scored first one, then two and then a hat trick. The third goal banged in from outside the box. Josh reeled away towards the supporters lifting his club shirt above his head to reveal . his Everton top - as he did so his eyes were locked on the Liverpool fan dad. After the game his words were "that was for you dad". Oh to dream of him banging in goals for Everton. How we need a number nine.
451 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:42:45
452 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:59:09
I awoke in Brazil this morning to read the Moyes return rumour gathering pace.
I asked myself one question which I would now put to TW:
Would any Everton owner or Director of Football untainted by any previous association with David Moyes now, in December 2019, in the situation we are in, even give him as much as a second glance, never mind a second chance?
If Everton as being reported is seriously considering just that, then one voice and one voice only is driving the narrative. A voice that quite simply should no longer be heard. A person that should be politely thanked for his time, still be made welcome at Everton, but whose governance and continuing influence at the club MUST be definitively terminated once and for all.
I will repeat the line I've used more than once in the last 24 hours:
If Moshiri and Brands sanction Moyes' return in ANY capacity, for ANY length of contract, it signals that they understand nothing.
If Moyes returns, that lost 'knife to a gunfight' will be found.
Plunged deep into the collective heart of Evertonians everywhere.
453 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:05:04
454 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:05:10
455 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:10:05
All of a sudden hes some guru.
The working class game is gone and the ipad generation who have won leagues on champ manager are more heard than anyone these days and its trendy to copy them.
456 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:19:27
457 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:22:10
Its interesting for only one thing, and that being the contradiction.
Just like VAR itself really, because players can dive, VAR, can prove they have dived, and yet the player still receives no punishment, so where is the actual fucking deterrent for cheating?
Dermot actually says that both players got up laughing when it was obvious that Davies was fuming with Robertson, who had one of those half-hearted shithouse smiles all over his face, and sidestepped the Arnold stamp on Richarlison, like he was Messi.
458 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:23:02
459 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:31:07
460 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:39:20
No fear. Make an ambitious forward-looking appointment. If it blows up then so be it. We must have belief in better times.
For me Gallardo and Jesus are the two exciting, potentially available options. Pochetinno and Simeone are pipe dreams but I'm sure they will have floated the possibility to their agents. Arteta and Marcelino are decent, interesting options. I'd even be curious to see what Farke or Wilder could do. No to Moyes, Hughes etc.
461 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:50:37
How many broadcasters have you got living in your eyes - past and present?
462 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:55:02
So if he doesn't come then Kenwright isn't pulling the strings? Stop with the shite. Are we not trying to move on.
Hearsay, blah blahs.
Speak for the better of the fans and the club, not yourself or your agenda.
This will be our problem over and over again.
Brands fans on a tandem.
Ref Watch Tony. Another spit in the face con from the sky generation.
463 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:59:00
464 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:03:02
He is if you believe tiny sections of the media or have an obsession with hating Kenwright and go looking for reasons.
Otherwise he is just a cloud head actor with a better season ticket seat than me and you. I don't know any of their job descriptions.
Speculation is empty.
465 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:08:13
466 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:09:34
Whilst Moshiri is at it, he should start the rebuilding now and shred Kenwright - this is a big moment in the history of Everton FC that will define our status for a generation.
467 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:14:28
If you cant see that Kenwright doesnt still doesnt pull strings at Everton, then I could suggest, its because it doesnt bother you, when you only have to look at the Everton dugout each week and realise that our first team coach has actually seen off four managers, if you include one caretaker?
Pure speculation or maybe even looking for things that arent there? but the reason I want Kenwright gone is because hes been a stain on my club, a liar who has always served his own interests over the club he profuses to love, and hes also an absolute fucking jinx.
468 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:17:08
Some of the accusations are boring and gossip like.
If anyone who liked the man came back with weak rumours to defend him, the thread would never get off the ground.
Too many waste energy they could give to the team in support, on things none of us have been told about.
If you don't think he loves the club it sort of says everything about obsession with the man.
You reckon Brian Kidd is still at City because of who then? We need an everton man amongst the ranks by the way. Someone who cares. Don't you like that idea?
469 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:26:48
That, sir, is a simply marvelous story.
I hope Josh leads the line for Everton someday.
ToffeeWeb, June 1st, 2024:
Josh Smith, formerly with the Chelsea Youth Academy, signed his first professional contract today with Everton. Josh said, "This is a dream come true. I always knew I was a Blue at heart, and I've my Dad to thank for that. I'm thrilled with the opportunity, and look to work hard and eventually make the first team."
470 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:29:10
471 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:31:42
472 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:37:45
Whoever we get as manager will continue to get my support. Reading some of the negative posts only makes me a stronger Blue. The blame game can be vicious. Having been Blue for over seventy years we do need a change and I will welcome whatever comes even if I disagree with the change.
473 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:38:05
Your sarcasm illustrates that you have completely missed the point. Through a lack of reading my post properly, or maybe just a lack of intelligence.
Of course its not easy to pick out good players.
However, it is incredibly easy to pick out poor or average ones
474 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:47:17
I agreed fully about the players. Pure shite.
What i was trying to say was it should easy to see the good from the bad.
Sorry if my intelligence isn't up to your standard but you are the one misreading or paranoid after i actually said Great post Tommy.
Next time i will say shite post Tommy and you can thank me for agreeing.
475 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:32:42
It would seem that this is the key difference between the respective successes. Liverpool are good at finding and supporting managers, and we are terrible at it.
I suspect HK 1, Catterick, or Paisley or Benitez could get something decent out of this team but for whatever reason, we have an atrocious manager selection and support process and have had much the same for about 70 years.
We may need a good centre forward, good midfielder and central defender, maybe even a new goalie, but none of these is even nearly as important as getting a top rank manager.
I believe the next few weeks will determine whether Everton revives as a club or becomes the new Notts Forest (or even County). Much rests on the shoulders of the board, though I suspect that that is where the real problem lies.
476 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:51:15
Seriously Paul, to many waste energy they could give to supporting the team? People have been turning up to support the team all season, but its not long before they are exasperated though, watching such boring, unadulterated robotic shite.
Im not obsessed with Kenwright either Paul, I just have a view that hes no good, and has never been any good for Everton FC, a club who I definitely have an obsession for.
477 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:59:27
478 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:03:22
There is loads of Kenwright obsession. How else would his name keep coming up with no fact alongside the point?
That is called rumour, guesswork, dedication, obsession but not fact.
Like I said I don't like the man but I don't turn up for court with no evidence. Same with Koeman, Martinez, Walsh, Jay (BRZ) Steve Ferns, Yourself.
I would never assume about any of you to make a point mate. X
479 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:16
If I was to ask you a question based on your Everton knowledge, do you think Koeman, Allardyce or Silva, genuinely asked for Duncan Ferguson to be their first team coach?
Do you think Moshiri joined Everton, sacked Martinez and then said but Duncan is going nowhere?
You say you wouldnt assume against any of us to make a point Paul, but when I told you I was obsessed with Everton rather than Kenwright, please assume I will never mention his name again, once hes gone.
480 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:26:26
481 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:38:21
482 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:50
483 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:52
484 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:50:40
485 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:01
486 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:32:58
Norwalk, CT is NYC metro, not New England, regardless of what the state of CT is considered. It's about 5x closer to New York than Boston. Cherry-picking the Patriots is the part in question.
487 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:52
A couple thoughts on players I'm well-known to like and thus defend.
Re: Kean: yes, he missed a 1-on-1 and possibly rushed it before he had another 1-2 touches to make. But here's the thing, he's got to be extremely nervous, not just because of his age, but every time he gets on, we're losing or it's a very high-pressure situation and he's expected to pull goals out of a hat. That is a lot of pressure for anyone, let alone a kid. I firmly believe if he could just start a run of games, he would be able to relax when a game has yet to be decided and would then find his groove. He's clearly a more talented, better option than DCL or Tosun, if not our immediate savior.
Re: Iwobi: had a terrible game, half of which was dreadful. He was poor at passing the ball forward on half his attempts, and was terrible at trying to take on defenders. That said, he created THREE of our 6 chances, including through balls to DCL and the pass that sprung Kean. He was out right again when he simply needs to be in the middle. We have a long list of things to point to for yesterday's debacle, and while Iwobi is on the list, he's toward the bottom.
488 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:41
489 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:40:48
From day one I have used my eyes to judge every player.
After Walsh and all the things I was told he was and how he knows more than me, I will never take an interest in admiring a Director of Football.
I do believe Koeman was happy to sign Pickford too but he isn't the only player I don't rate.
3 from last nights team I rate. And none because they have class, maybe Digne but he can't defend.
Dave i don't like his corny interviews and his cringey personality.
I don't think that matters though. I don't believe he pulls the strings and find the thought pathetic. Even when he tried selling Martinez to Moshiri live on TV in his corny "what a manager" tone, what happened?
Like i have said a million times, if anyone can prove he does i'll be the first to say spot on, i couldn't believe a man who wanted control, hands over that control.
Each to their own though mate.
490 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:00:38
I hope he comes out flying and becomes a star for us believe me.
The discussion came from my mate saying we make excuses for everyone don't we, because when he said Kean should have scored but he didn't start, we threw Origi's first goal into the debate knowing he hardly plays too.
He is a mere fringe player for Liverpool and wipes the floor with all of our forwards.
To even expect Kean to be ready for the Premiership to me is outrageous when he only got a few starts in Serie A for the top team and taking into account the age and his culture swap
They were developing him so it was always going to take us a lot longer than Juve.
I said in the summer, great signing but he is behind Calvert Lewin in the pecking order without doubt.
The eductation they need is staggering now and Calvert Lewin is struggling at this level too.
Its not like when Rooney came through and Weir and Stubbs were Premier league Centre Halfs. Liverpool sell all their 19 year old strikers because they need the ready now. Why would we be any different?
You get the best you can get of course but a supposed 60 million bid went in for Zaha, and we didn't get a ready striker in. How has that happened?
Then give him Iwobi aswell to soften it up. Another waste of money. Moshiri needs to wake up and realise cast offs are dead money.
491 Posted 06/12/2019 at 04:30:17
I hope you see this post. Bit past its prime, but I missed your comment, with apologies.
Firstly, I'm glad the link cheered you up. We all need that right about now.
Secondly, in my time on TW, I've pissed more than a few off, and actually received some compliments. But Jamie Crowley HSC might be the best of both polar opposites - it'll piss some off that this seppo has the title of HSC, and it might be one of the most satisfying, humbling compliments given to me.
Cheers and thanks. And if it all goes south, find a chicken and beat the hell out of him.
492 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:17:44
493 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:35:30
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