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1 Posted 22/09/2019 at 03:48:20
2 Posted 22/09/2019 at 04:08:45
Silva's tactics can be blamed, but they have often morphed into ineffectiveness, when executed by an ill-prepared squad, who have players that appear to be still in pre pre-season re motivation. Players that are trying, are finding players unavailable for a pass and, once they do get someone available, that the receiving player ineffectively passes sideways, having missed any effective runs.
It got to the stage that passes are going backwards and not even sideways. Poor levels of concentration are resulting in unforced errors and poor attempts at recovery play.
Everton have been here before, so much so that the level of motivation resulting in this performance, could be described as 'the same old Everton'.
Of course, a lot will blame the Manager, as we all have done in the past, but will a new Manager make any difference to characteristics that have been so consistent over the years as far as Everton is concerned; they could be described as being part of their culture.
The sources of this attitude is perpetrators within the Club. I do not have inside knowledge, but there are individuals when in the Club who are detrimental to any progress that may be attempted and have been for some time, because such a Everton performance as we all witnessed today has deep rooted causes and is down to individuals,
The crisis is that those who could make a difference in the Club, could decide that the effort necessary is not worth it and their abilities would be realised by being applied else where. Everton will become a side that stays in the Premier League, keeping the perpetrators of its demise in jobs, which they are doing quite nicely at, while the long long-suffering Everton Supporter, like myself, can be inspired to place such posts as this on ToffeeWeb, until he drops off his perch, having never seen the Big Club glory days return.
Changing the Manager will make no different, other than give false hope that Everton will change, while nothing has actually changed inside the Club. The objective priority of Moshiri and Brands for this season should be to rid the Club of these parasites and maybe we might see antyimprovement next season.
A Cup run is vital to try and salvage something this season. Hopefully with Man City the next opponent in the Premier League, they may be motivated to get off their arses and do something.
3 Posted 22/09/2019 at 06:47:19
Cant think of much more else worth saying so thought Id keep it short.
4 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:37:43
5 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:57:12
The actual good run on form also was 99 percent only seen are Goodison, the away form was still frustrating with a shocking loss at Fulham.
The wins against United, Arsenal and Chelsea were primarily due to all three of those being abject on the day and proving what I already knew, the top six is there for the taking and was there for the taking last season but we just arent good enough sadly to take it.
6 Posted 22/09/2019 at 07:59:52
When you watch the likes of Norwich and Chelsea last week and then Leicester yesterday, those three games had everything you want on a Saturday afternoon. Loads of energy, fight, craft and to see young lads coming from the academy is superb. That goal from Maddison for Leicester yesterday just sums up what we have not got in any department.
Just to put salt in the wounds, when you see that utter clown Walcott come on as a sub, you know you are doomed. How on gods earth does Walcott make money playing football is a mystery.
8 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:07:50
Other clubs at least have a bloody go, play with gusto and energy.
Watching Everton is like watching a movie youve seen 100 times, you know how it starts, you know the middle and you certainly know how it ends.
All becomes pretty mundane after a while doesnt it?
9 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:21:26
I'll be out this morning with my lad watching some decent grassroots football. I'll get everything today that I don't get from watching that shower of shite at Everton.
10 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:42:08
Changing the manager will make all the difference!!
He took off our best two players and while l agreed with putting Tosun on he fed off scraps because the shape was ripped up.
Kean did absolutely nothing all game and we need patience with him, not throw him to the lions. Walcott also played well. The critics need to look at themselves for once. Why would Silva bring on Walcott for Coleman and then move Richarlison to the left leaving Walcott on his own? It just defies belief.
We play either DCL or Kean up front, even though we have proven scorers in Tosun, Walcott and Richarlison... all of whom ld play ahead of the other two. Silva doesnt seem to understand that the object of the game is to get 3 points,
Kean and Richarlison had bad games, plus Pickford. The rest of them did okay but the way we play, the way we move as a team is just all wrong. Enough now.
Next... and Id have any of either Mourinho, Arteta or Moyes. Make the change now and we can still make the top 4/6. We wait and it it will be too late if he takes 2 months to sort it like he did last season. If we get The fat Spanish waiter l will throw myself of a cliff.
11 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:46:05
This where Brands needs to justify his salary and use his knowledge and experience to identify a top class manager and then persuade him to come to Everton.
Talk of Arteta, Cahil and even Carsley, on other threads, is ridiculous and would be a huge gamble. We need someone with experience and a proven track record and we need him now.
12 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:47:47
The last good fit for the club was Moyes, when we had no cash. now that we have cash we're still going for managers with no pedigree. If the players could show the same commitment of our young fans we may be going places. But don't hold your breath
13 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:48:17
Jerome, I think you might be onto something, but only Ferguson, and Coleman, are long-termers at finch-farm, then Snides who has been here for two and a half years, Pickford and Keane, are starting there third seasons at Everton, and we had six players starting yesterday who have only been at the club for 14 months or less.
We look over-coached, (some will say that is ridiculous) because we never see anyone trying anything different, especially Silva, whose insistence on getting the ball wide, being only half the problem, because once the ball goes wide, how many players do you see breaking their neck, trying to get into the box?
Its flawed, just like the recruitment this summer has also been flawed, because its obvious Silva needed another centre-half, especially because he doesnt trust Holgate, he needed another centre-forward, because its obvious he doesnt fancy Tosun, and he needed another midfielder, because Schniederlin should be nowhere near the first team, especially considering that some people dont even think hes been the worst midfielder on the pitch in most games this season.
We are just not good enough in key areas at the minute, and I dont know how Moise Kean, is going to learn how to adapt to the English game, playing with these tactics, and unless Silva changes track,I think that old saying about “failing to prepare”, is going to make this a horrible season, which makes Tuesday nights game very, very important for us long-suffering fans.
14 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:48:43
Trouble is, once again, we looked worse after going behind. We showed little character and Silva showed no ability to influence the match positively.
This squad is better than it was 2 years ago I think but there are big holes: A fast CB, an athletic high tempo midfielder and a goal scorer. Gbamin and Kean may fill 2 of those roles in time but arent currently.
Problems in the squad. Problems in the management. And little luck. All ingredients for another Everton weekend.
Silva wont be sacked till Xmas at earliest. Brands will, rightly in my view, want to give his manager as long as possible to turn things around. But what credit he may have accrues at end of last year is all but spent. He needs to find something new, some way to get better out of these players. Or some better luck.
15 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:51:21
16 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:53:09
17 Posted 22/09/2019 at 08:59:40
We were getting a lot of joy down that side and Seamus delivery is worse than Tony Hibberts. The manager clearly thought that a winger would offer better delivery... unfortunately when he looked round we only had Theo there.
Theo and Seamus time is up but I could see the idea behind the sub, just havnt the quality to break teams down.
Our final ball is the worst Ive ever seen
18 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:07:39
If Sheffield had been watched previously which Im they were, then you dont play a young slight striker against their ale house defending, you play DCL and the ungainly, unpredictable Niasse ( If they can find him, seems to be off the radar) to give them some fight and something to think about, this was said to me before the game by my young grandson.
We got worse as the game went on, only Delph wanted and went looking for the ball, he wasnt great made two or three poor passes, didnt they all, but he kept prodding and probing trying to make something happen.
Useless to have a go at the players, although my blood was boiling during and after the game at how bad most of them were, its how we are going to get the team back on track, starting at Sheffield Wednesday during the week.
As many have said its going to be a long hard season, made worse by the fact, for many of us, this offered to be a better than average season for the Blues, instead of a season were we will be suffering the blues.
19 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:11:35
20 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:13:28
21 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:24:02
Martinez was good at dominating possession and coming away with nothing and not much seems to have changed. That is back to back woeful performances and I hope we are getting it out of our system.
22 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:28:23
It will take time and a few more windows to get better. We are inconsistent just like Citeh were in 2008: who remembers Emilio Blumer and Jo Silva? This season looks like a bag of shite already, the results so far have been typically Everton: we will probably twat Citeh just to spite ourselves. Everyone can see we lack quality up front, in midfield and a quick centre half. The quality that has left has not been replaced. If we are still shit when this has been rectified then sack him but until then try and have a bit of perspective. Better buckle up and strap yourselves in because RS are going to piss the league.
23 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:32:51
This is a squad that should be able to beat Sheffield Utd at home.
I really wish he'd stop playing Schneiderlin - maybe he did no worse than the rest - but he's almost a jynx now.
Frankly, we could do with a 0-0 just to instill confidence in the team that they can defend.
We've lost Gueye, Zouma and Silvas deputy since last season so I guess that is the obvious place to look for the lack of resilience.
24 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:34:21
25 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:38:58
We can't break teams down who sit deep. We can't change formation when we go a goal behind. Pickford was poor for both goals yesterday.
The manager wants us playing wide which is a strength of ours with the full backs and wingers we have. The problem then is we haven't got a half decent striker to make runs or score goals. On form Sigurdsson should be dropped.
Realistically we have 2 chances of winning something each year. If we go out of the cup on Tuesday and get smashed by City, Marcel will have to go and find us a new manager.
26 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:40:49
It is crystal clear that the players are (as Tony says) over-coached. The movement looks scripted. You could take snippets from all of our home games this season and splice them into the same film with very little editing.
Chris Wilder knew exactly how to stifle us and when the system fails the boss just throws on his usual subs hoping for a miracle.
Silva may well have lost Zouma and Gueye (and this was bound to have an effect) he may well have been failed by Brands in finding adequate replacements but the attacking format is flawed.
His dependence on two holding mids and his obsession with getting it wide early is impotent.
Wilder was very humble on match of the day, but every coach in the land (including Gary Monk) can work us out and stop us.
We have managed two narrow home wins against two stuggling sides.
Worse is to come...the manager needs to go now.
27 Posted 22/09/2019 at 09:57:02
The front three? Young Kean isn't ready to lead the line, so I would switch Richarlison into the central striker position. Iwobi and Bernard playing wide. But the team is so lacking in confidence that it might not matter who plays frankly.
28 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:08:57
Steve, Id go with that team suggestion... not holding my breath on anything other than the 4231 though.
29 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:20:39
You do have to give credit to the oppositions manager in many games though, obviously their not stupid and target your playmakers in any way they can, Utd came for a draw and got lucky.
We lost two of our best players from last season and as far as I can see we have lesser players filling those positions, again not good.
We were looking a good side at the end of last season, we lose Gueye and Zouma and you can certainly see the difference.
Don't we always lose our best players though, yes I know Zoomer wasn't ours to lose, but its this fact along with not being able to attract the real stars of the game the two main reasons while I have little faith that we ever be a bona fide top six club again.
You can change the manager as many times as you like but in the end its the quality of the players that ultimately decides how good you really are.
I'm not dismissing the managers role far from it, all the top teams have both a top manager and top players, unfortunately we have neither.
30 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:20:48
The purpose of our get it wide tactic is to provide lots of crosses that either don't get past the first defender or sail yards over the heads of our forwards. The best forwards in the world would fail to score at Everton. And if by some fluke you do manage to score - you get subbed and dropped for the next game.
Meanwhile our academy teams continue to perform well, despite changes in personnel. Yet few of our talented youngsters are considered good enough to even sit on the bench whilst Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and (sadly) Coleman consistently under perform.
The responsibility for all of the above lies with the manager, who is at least consistent. As a serial loser.
31 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:24:51
32 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:28:45
33 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:37:02
34 Posted 22/09/2019 at 10:55:22
35 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:07:10
But even at half time I still believed if we get 1 then we will go onto win, but as the game wore on gone had gone the quick passing from the start of the game. Instead it became slow and predictable, and seemed our only tactic was get the ball wide to Coleman and Digne and hope that they would deliver enough good crosses to produce a goal. But that tactic that we have used a lot this season played right into the hands of Sheffield their big defenders were very comfortable defending crosses. Then they break away and score an undeserved 2nd which killed the game.
But this result on top of the others of late raise many questions. Silva lost his assistant and replaced him with Boa Morte has thad had an effect on our style of play? Why did we sell who most posters agree was our most influential player last year Gana Gueye who still had at least 2 years left on the contract. So we were under no pressure to sell, never mind what the player wanted the interests of the club come first.
My other concern is and I know most T/Ws wont agree is the position of our DOF Marcel Brands. Apart from Digne, I don't think his other buys are looking like the real deal. Bernard to weak and has little impact on games and 1 league goal from a front 3 player is woeful. Mina again doesnt fill me with any great confidence. Gomes good footballer but again lacks pace in a very pedestrian midfield. Kean this kid could be anything but to place such a burden on a 19 year old from another country is ridiculous. Any DOF would have recognised we needed a top class striker which he failed to land and there were these players available in the summer in Costa and Dzeko. But instead Brands put his faith in a young 19 year old and DCL who has struggled so far to score with any regularity.
Then we come back to Silva, who not for the first time this season when losing, threw on 3 attackers without any plan as to how to break down Sheffield. One of those attackers was Tosun who Silva had said along with Niasse is surplus to requirements, yet he brings him on instead of DCL who actually scored last week. So this to me smacks of a manager and assistant who have completely lost the plot. I know we had a similar set of results in the early part of last season and Silva turned it around I just hope he is capable of doing it again. But time is beginning to run out I fear.
36 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:14:27
I wonder if Siggy is rested Tuesday and he tries Iwobi will it be in the hole or something different? Siggy has had some bad press on here recently but the space between him and other midfielders is down to him trying to get close to the striker so he isnt isolated...because our other wingers and chasing back to our own box.
People will always slag Walcott, Schneiderlin (DCL, Coleman and now Sigurdsson) but for me its more to do with how they are being asked to play. Tosun can score if given the opportunity. Just a little bit frustrating being a blue seeing us spend so much money and getting the same results. This after years of having next to nothing. Although Moyes lost Rooney and got Cahil and Marcus Bent in and finished 4th. Huh...
37 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:47:57
He had a good World Cup with Iceland a while back which generated interest in him. But Spurs had the right idea getting shut. As I recall, we were the only mugs to follow up Swansea's inflated price tag.
If we had Pele at centre forward, he would look average, starved of service from our inadequate number 10.
38 Posted 22/09/2019 at 11:53:30
39 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:06:03
He had an element of an excuse for the first goal, it was obviously a planned corner on their part to play an in swinging corner and try to block the keeper which they did successfully. he should have got a fist properly to it though.
How come we are powder puff when we earn a corner, I have no hope of us scoring!
40 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:12:06
What on earth is going on at Everton ?
The top 6 and even 3rd and 4th places are wide open this season. Leicester will have a go. We should really be one step ahead of Leicester based on last years progress.
Joao Sousa going has knocked Silva for six. His right hand man, and part of his long term plans has gone. Silva is a little boy lost at the moment without him. Our teams are poorly set up and disorganised, predictable.
Silva has lost his important confidante and pre match discussions to plan. At the moment Silva is nothing without Joao Sousa.
Maybe Joao Pedro Sousa was the talented part of this pairing all along? Or at the very least an irreplaceable part of it.
41 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:12:31
In fairness though if Don has seen a mismatched central defence pairing of the type that we are persisting with he may have had a different view.
42 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:19:42
The first that Sheff U created havoc with their first corner, something we didn't achieve all match with the 12 or so we had.
Jordan Pickford, who has been playing well thus far this season, should have, at least, tipped the ball away, taking the danger away.
The second, and as noted by others, we are too easy to defend against.
Digne & Coleman are there to cross the ball, which played right into the Blades hands.
We need a central midfielder who can make runs forward.
It's no secret that Marco Silva tried to get Abdoulaye Doucouré from Watford in the summer.
That would give us other attacking options.
Anyone remember Gunter Netzer?
That's what probably Silva has in mind.
Other than that, we were unlucky. We did have a few good chances, but alas it was not to be.
No need for panic yet, but we drastically have to improve!
43 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:23:59
44 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:36:11
45 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:47:22
He carries a kit bag about, mouths, looking as if he is doing something normally moving into view behind the Manager. The football equivalent of a Clipboard operator.
Just my observations, with no inside knowledge
46 Posted 22/09/2019 at 12:53:47
So is all this a problem, I don't know? When it comes to the first few games of the season, we have players who have had next to no pre season training. We have new players trying to bed in and gel with new team mates. There is no way new players can understand how our established and international players play, because these international players are away, and even when they come back they are given a few weeks break. So, in other words, does our "proper pre season training" start in the first few premier league game?
Regarding yesterday, in my opinion, you will never see a more negative team than Sheffield United. They had no interest in attacking, so why on earth did Silva feel the need to play both Schneiderlin and Delph? And FFS Silva, ditch the bloody zonal marking. Just watching Goals on Sunday, and for the first goal there three Sheffield players left totally unmarked in our six yard box, and all at the far post, while we've got six players in the six yard box and all looking at the ball, not one is looking at the three attackers behind them.That is absolutely abysmal defending. What's wrong with the good old fashioned man to man marking, with big on big and little on little. You man mark your player and block his run on goal. Also, had we had a defender on the post, he would have been able to clear the deflection off Mina.
47 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:05:19
48 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:07:38
I remember Gunter Netzer, a fabulous player. He was a long haired blonde German International midfielder. A millionaire playboy, Germany's version off field of George Best, was probably why he was often overlooked by their national team. Incredible vision. He could release 'long-range missile' passes with incredible accuracy. Sheffield Utd had a similar style of player at the time, Tony Currie, who was capped a few times. A great player, but not in Netzer's class. Alan Hudson of Chelsea, another vey underrated player, also had a touch of the 'Netzer's' about his game.
br>One of the best nights I recall at Goodison was when we beat Netzer's Munchengladbach on penalty in the then European Cup. It was an intruiging battle of contrasting styles, with Netzer spraying these breathtaking pinpoint passes all over the park, compared to the short ball, quick fire one-two gymnasium football of Ball, Kendal and Harvey. It was an honour to be present and witness the spectacle of breathtaking football. Thanks for mentioning Netzer I was a big fan, you brought back great memories.
49 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:08:55
My point is the club has a huge fan base, there were loads of kids there yesterday no doubt their mum or dad earmarked this as 3 points. What we got was an insipid, naive and spineless performance. My first home game with my dad was a 3 - 1 victory over Luton Town. My kids first home game and Everton are booed off! The club should refund everyone for yesterday.
My local team is Dulwich Hamlet, £12 adults free for this kids. At least they can do the basics like defend set pieces and are enjoyable to watch. With respect to Dulwich that is probably the level of club Silva should be managing, he is clueless!
50 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:09:23
Then Google who the Manager is.
Any coincidence as to why recent results are happening.
51 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:12:34
52 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:21:32
53 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:25:18
Thank you for your analysis of Silvas performance , which I believe to correct and geniune. I did post on hearing of the team selection that Silva was setting up a team to get through, with the cup competitions in mind. I thought at the time it would play into the hands of a team that would set up shop, as it did. But I have also felt that the squad had been unprepared and poorly trained from previous matches, which continued in this match.
I do believe that Silva works hard and that the intention to give him a three years contract , was to allow time for him and Brands to turn around a underachieving Club, with ingrained and established problems.
The difficulty to do so is because Moshiri to get the Everton deal over the line had to agree to a deal, that was the equivalent of buying a house with vacant possession. Money ways he is on to a winner in that he got the Club cheaper and when he does get vacant possession the Club, will be worth a lot more, if it stays in the Premiership.
Unfortunately he go a Everton regime that has not win anything and is unlikely to do so.
Not only was Moshiri the only buyer, he found that Silva was the only Manager to want to take the job. Brands was the real Brain wave. But he underestimated the influence the old regime would still, have, and Moshiri did get a costly incite into how capable they really are.
Silva did manage a purple patch at the end of last season and is still capable of one and maybe two patches this season , as long as relegation panic does not set in. There is still a job to be done off the field at Everton and maybe even internal resistance to it. I believe that we have to stick with the Silva , Brands and Morshiri team to get it done and performance will force a change and deeper analyse into the real problems within Everton.
A new Manager will be faced with the same remit and who suitable is going to want the job?
54 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:31:30
Steve Joau Pedro Sousa.
Do you think him leaving has had a bigger impact than what was thought of at the time ( see my earlier post about the team currently putting Benfica Sporting & Porto noses out of joint) and how he compares to Morte?
I think Silva relied on him an awful lot and is clearly missing his influence.
How would this affect the team?
55 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:44:01
56 Posted 22/09/2019 at 13:55:58
And those throw-ins in their half need to go forward, not back. If we retain possession, great. If we don't retain possession, the pressure is on the opposition on and around the penalty area. The same for free kicks - forward not back.
And the occasional long ball out of our defence will keep their defence unsure as to what's coming next and how high to keep their line.
57 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:15:21
If Sheff Wed out muscle/think us on Tuesday, Man City just plain out everything us and Burnley do what Bournemouth did to us; do you still think he should remain?
58 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:24:08
The numbers mentioned were 20 and 21 (can't recall which number applied to which stat). Both stats, then, indicate this happens in 40% of games played under Silva - 4 in 10 games.
Right there you have two answers to the key question why aren't we showing signs of progress under Silva.
It could be argued conceding so frequently from dead-ball situations is a systemic error that should have, by now, been addressed and eradicated on the training ground. That appeared to be the case in the closing games of last season. Not so this.
The goals conceded in our last five games now reads 2-2-2-3-2 (as some wag commented yesterday when I posted those numbers, that reads like the formation we finished yesterday's game with!!!).
The inability to - at best - only get a draw, but never win having conceded the first goal, is more a mental and motivational problem. It's also tactical as Silva's substitutions and attempts at formation change simply never recover a losing situation into a winning way.
There is no mileage in bewailing the loss of Gana (big miss that he is), the inability to secure the return of Zouma, the injuries to Gbamin and Gomes. It's a squad game and change of personnel over the course of a season is inevitable. You go with what you have.
We are told Silva is a hard-working and innovative coach, a great training ground coach. We are not privy to that. That may well be the case. But whatever he is doing on the training ground is not transmitting to the match day pitch. Again.
What we are privy to are the match day performances. And time and again we don't see much evidence of Silva managing and influencing things in-game to our benefit.
Too often we see schoolyard tactics and substitutions from losing positions, based on the belief 'if I throw on as many forwards as I can, without regard to the balance or formation to the whole team, I could luck out and we might grab a goal'.
Make no mistake, given our fixture list, this has been a crap start to the season. The poor results crank up the pressure on manager and players alike. This is a mini-crisis which - by next weekend - could quickly escalate into a full-blown crisis should we get eliminated by Wednesday (on Tuesday!) then tanked by City at home.
I'm not one advocating sacking Silva. Still too premature for me. But Paul Tran getting 6/1 at half-time yesterday on Silva getting sacked (now the shortest odds of any PL manager to be sacked at odds-on) may well prove a shrewd punt.
He HAS to do better, starting this week.
59 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:34:56
There's just too much of an obvious pattern set now to our form for me and when you couple that to his coaching of the game yesterday?
He had run out of ideas yesterday and put all his forwards on and we were still blunt, 5 of them couldn't make any impact against a newly promoted and nervous Sheff Utd.
I think the players are bemused by him now, it's time!
60 Posted 22/09/2019 at 14:43:38
We are reaching a tipping point. Do we (again!) sit tight with a manager hoping he comes good? Or do we go bold and make the change now so we can salavage the season rather than continue to drift as we are?
It's such a tricky time of the year to recruit anyone decent other than in a caretaker role. That said, a very good manager in the recently sacked Marcelino from Valencia who is available.
61 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:04:17
62 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:09:33
I don't want EFC to become some kind of "Apprentice" TV show with a "You're Fired!" mentality.
You have though hit the nail on the head, do we sit tight or go bold? Stick or twist? I've no doubt the club will not knee jerk on this and will think things through.
There's another way to look at this, if we did send him off, would whoever takes over (be that maybe Unsy as a caretaker), will following results be any worse than they are now? This is absolutely not an easy decision, but I do believe indecision could do much damage as we watch Silva try to change the spots on a leopard.
Even Unsy as a caretaker will generate some energy and enthusiasm above what we have now.
Suppose Silva does improve results, but not really impressively and we just lumber on with doubts about him, it's waisted time. I'm in the act now camp.
63 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:13:03
64 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:24:10
That's the cherry on the cake!
Watford get murdered in cold blood by the best team in the land (maybe in the world?) and still put up a better fight than us who play a newly promoted team that is lacking skill and nervous.
65 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:43:16
Oh and the hammers are now 2-0 up and Neville says they deserve the lead. It's just bollocks
66 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:50:07
67 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:50:52
Everton, the club that seem to have been permanently in transition, so long in transition that during that time Leicester have won two promotions and the Premier League title, played in the Champions League, all while Everton are still in transition hahahahaha.
Hilarious really, whats the Latin term for “Club that never moves forward”?
68 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:51:04
The players must be extremely frustrated at the whole mess and I am sure that they could all play much better given the right structure.
I would love to know what the players think.
Incidentally, despite his positive play, am I the only person to be embarrassed at the behaviour of Richarlison?
The rolling around on the deck, the fake head injuries..I could go on. Does he realise that referees watch tv? A disgrace of a player, sulky, petulant and a cheat.
69 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:55:32
ut usque mane
70 Posted 22/09/2019 at 15:59:55
Can you imagine Silva being rollicked and sent to the stands, he doesn't have enough fire in his belly for that to happen
If we cannot obtain a manager with a trophy laden CV the next best thing is Sean Dyche. I can only hope the conversations about 'protecting' this seasons investment in players has already started
71 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:01:29
Its the lack of attacking quality when teams don't give us any space that finds us out, we haven't a Aquaro, Kane, Mane, Jesus, Sterling, Salah, I could go on and that's not even mentioning the midfield!
72 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:04:38
This needs addressing, as we play 4231
The 10 becomes pivotal and he is not good enough
73 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:19:23
5 in the last 4 years!
And guess what happens if we fire Silva?! More transition!!
The best clubs in the league have stability. This is why Brands will give Silva as much time as he possibly can. But if we do get a new manager expect it to be one in Silvas image; young, coaching oriented, pressing football. Brands will want to keep the transition as small as possible by maintaining a continuity of approach. I reckon Gallardo of River Plate would be an interesting and (perhaps too) bold choice.
74 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:23:50
If Brands came out and said 'Silva is very much part of a 3 year plan and we look forward to his involvement in that'
How would you feel about that stability?
76 Posted 22/09/2019 at 16:36:42
I thought the turning point this season was going to be The Villa defeat. We went with an attacking line up at Lincoln and then again against Wolves. We then reverted back against Bournemouth. Starting to look more and more like Martinez with possession but little end product combined with a chocolate fire guard defence.
Not sure who comes in next but agree with an earlier comment that it must be a proven successful manager who gets Everton. No idea how we can make that happen!
77 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:14:19
Silva has to make a shape over the games you mention. Heading into the relegation zone and out of a Cup will be panic time, so anything can happen. Though Brands will be involved this time,
I am trying to be positive, that Silva will turn things around and Brands will steady things up a bit, but I see where you are coming from, A lot will depend on attitude of players and how they react to this defeat,
78 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:18:22
I dont think Brands would handcuff himself in that way but I wouldnt be surprised if behind closed doors hes told Silva he will have as much leeway as possible to correct this poor start.
The margins are small. We should have won yesterday despite the performance. Sheffield somehow scored 2 goals from only one chance in the whole 90 whilst we missed a bundle of decent openings. If we had won wed be 4th now. We didnt and rightly we are frustrated. Im less convinced by Silva now than I was 2 months ago but Id not be that surprised if he turned it around like he did last year.
79 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:27:22
Sam, we really didn't. We barely created a scoring opportunity, never mind 'miss a bundle of decent openings'.
It was just awful.
80 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:37:00
Silva 'turned it round' last season, but only when the pressure was off after our season was over. What was he doing when the team went missing for two months?
I don't care about possession/running stats. I want of team that plays with purpose, creates chances, maybe even scores some of them. If they press, then press as a team without leaving each other isolated.
I'm sure Silva wants better. The question is, can he do better, will he do that consistently?
Underperforming players isn't an abstract thing, it's something the manager has to sort out and maintain.
If we'd not gone through Martinez, Koeman & Allardyce in quick succession, what would you think? That's the acid test. If you're not good enough, you're not good enough. If there's no evidence it'll get better without clutching straws, it isn't going to end well.
81 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:39:08
If we have a mini revival before or after Christmas his job will be safe. Only the threat of relegation will be enough to get him removed, our mediocrity is secured for a few more seasons never fear. The chances of Europe or winning any silverware is however zero.
82 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:41:41
87 Posted 22/09/2019 at 17:45:54
Netzer was some player Chris wasn't he? I'm happy if one of ours now can find a blue shirt from 5 yards never mind 50!!
I was blessed that from watching Everton as a 7 year old, by the time I'd reached my 30's, I'd witnessed the successful era's of Young, Vernon, Labone etc. Then Ball, Kendal, Harvey etc. Then later Steven, Southall, Reid, Linacre etc. Plus a host of other wonderful players, too many to mention, all winning trophies. World beaters. I feel heartily sorry for any Everton fan in their 30's now who has seen absolutely no success. (with the exception of the '95 Cup win)
That track record is criminal and the main guilty party has to be the board and successive management.
The fans have never deserted the club, staying Faithfull through thick and thin. Yet year after year they are let down. Kicked in the teeth. It is early doors yet, but the signs don't look good. The mid-week Cup match, will hopefully prove the turning point.
N. B. Mr. Silva, the patience of the Goodison faithful is wearing exceedingly thin. Never mind new stadiums, let's get the job done on the Park right now!
88 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:00:17
Paul@80, yes it is a managers job to make sure that the small margins go your way. Currently they are not and that is why I would not be too upset if Silva were to leave tomorrow. But I don't see that happening. He'll be here till xmas at the least and I believe we can and will do better than we have in the last few games; we couldn't do much worse!
Colin @82-85; the season wasn't over. Many would have you believe that we were relegation bound. It's true that our best form seemed to come against better opposition when the pressure/expectation to win is off a little and that is an issue. There looks to be real lack of mentality to step up to the plate; a lack of resilience. Having still not come back from a losing position in the league worries me greatly.
89 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:08:23
I'm like the elastic band thats snapped with Silva. Teams often play like their managers appear. Ours is too often slow, ponderous, uninspiring, risk-averse and rigid, unable to fight adversity.
90 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:13:22
Here on Merseyside the Everton fan base has had its soul ripped out by the Twats in charge of the club. It now got to the point for the first time in living memory there is NO football related banter anymore. Evertonians simply don't have the Ammo to fight with. I mean, what can we say these days? Kopites are Gobshites, which I despise. We used to own Anfield another belter.
We are finished here in this City and its getting worse. Thank Kenwright, you daft Romantic dreamer.
91 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:14:13
92 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:29:18
Saying we 'definitely created more chances than them' is different from your original claim that 'we missed a bundle of decent openings'. We really didn't do the latter.
When did we genuinely work the goalkeeper? Not once. In the first half there was Kean's cross to Richarlison for the header that was easily gathered in by the stood up keeper.
In the 2nd half, Kean getting a smidgen of space on the right, quickly and easily smothered by the keeper.
Other than that, I'm struggling to recall anything else beyond the first half when Kean blazed high, wide and not so handsome into Row ZZ of the Park End and Richarlison's closer effort over the corner of the right hand post. In both cases Sigurdsson was available for a rolled in pass which would have been the better scoring opportunity.
As for Chris Wilder saying Everton should have won that game, I honestly think that was a touch of psychology to big up his own team for future games as much as a genuine statement of how the game played out.
In the second half at no time did we have any sustained pressure or quality into their box that remotely looked like getting us level.
It was awful.
93 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:30:34
On deadline day, I was excited at the idea of Richarlison, Iwobi and Kean interchanging up front, with DCL as an alternative tactical switch. Not happening so far, is it - is he frightened of all of them playing at once?
In mitigation, he has been unlucky with Gomes and particularly Gbamin getting injured. Remember Gbamin stating in the presser he wouldn't be ready for the first game? He still played him, didn't he?
94 Posted 22/09/2019 at 18:44:08
As well as the ones you mention I remember Digne having a decent opportunity and Schniederlin and Siggy both having pops from the edge of the box. Not working the keeper doesnt mean it wasnt a half chance! Not clinical.
We definitely played worse once going behind which is not the first time.
95 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:32:27
96 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:35:15
That just about sums up our relationship with our neighbours.
I once had an interesting conversation with one of them I'd only just met for the first time and he was decent lad, we first spoke about the two teams, form etc, players and expectations the normal stuff.
He then said "please don't take this the wrong way but I can't see why you support them, you're from Liverpool, a Scouser and you have a team in the city that's won everything and will win everything again, it's something to be proud of if your from here, it has the city name."
I flared up inside, is he taking the piss? He looked absolutely genuine waiting for the answer, I then though about it, something I've never really considered (philosophically) and said "I was born into it", I couldn't say we've won this or that compared to his team because we haven't (no ammo!). I'm feeling what you're feeling!
My seven year old nephew goes to PE and football at school in our kit, the problem is so do fifteen other boys in his class, but it's the LFC kit (no other blues), My nephew was coming home moody and we asked him why? He said he wants an LFC kit, he can't get a kick around and feels left out. He's a shy lad and is not likely to fight his way to get respect.
My sister, his mother said "your a blue like the rest of your family you don't want one of those shirts". I was standing there and said no let him have one, I took the view if he's sad in school this could ruin his progress and give him problems later on. I believe I've done the right thing for the kids personal well being.
How many other kids and blue families have had similar problems?
Sad isn't it.
97 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:40:13
98 Posted 22/09/2019 at 19:50:23
I believe implied in what Tony has said "no ammo", if you were to put the trophy cabinets of both teams in the one room you'd quickly draw some conclusions to who's had the happier time regardless of when the trophies happen to have been won.
99 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:02:51
Went through it as a kid in the 80's, it was worse because they feared us and never pitied us. Sympathy is better as a child than hate.
Still traumatised at 50. Fuckers!
100 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:15:37
When I went to my first match the other side had 4 leagues, 3 champions leagues, 2 league cups more and 1 less FA cup than us.
I'm not sure I can even say they were still in sight back then, but HK certainly had a go until the ban.
101 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:30:30
Also (until we move into the public consultation stadium) our home ground is an antiquated relic with facilities from the 1970s, and our image in todays "modern era" of global appeal is awful, which hasn't been helped by the fact Everton have never played in the Champions League.
Like Tony M says there is no Ammo.
102 Posted 22/09/2019 at 20:30:45
Our day will come of that I am convinced. Not with Marco, though.
103 Posted 22/09/2019 at 23:38:24
Ball crossed, cleared... on and on. Or corner, cleared... on and on. The only change is if Everton have the kick-off.
The good news I understand was the new manager was in the main stand looking at the crap on the field... I just hope the story is right.
104 Posted 23/09/2019 at 02:49:37
EFC Players I reckon Silva does not trust / wants to sell / does not rate however you want to cut it :
JJ Kenny - loaned out,
Mina - preferred Zouma, and may have preferred Marcos Rojo too.
Schneiderlin - wanted to sell him,
Davies - can't get in ahead of Schneids,
Bernard - tried to get Zaha and got Iwobi,
Tosun - wants to sell him,
Walcott - always a late sub never a starter,
Niasse - missing in action,
Bolasie - loaned out,
Pennington - loaned out,
Besic - loaned out,
Sidibe - or he'd be in the team given Colemans form,
Holgate - or he'd be in the team given how Keane and Mina have started.
Garbutt - loaned out.
Thats 14 players who are being paid wages by EFC in full or in part.
It must be a lot of money and stopping us from getting in other players as Brands needs to balance the books, or so it looks to me.
There are others of course who have been loaned out to gain experience and finally Lookman who he never trusted despite what he said last week.
So you can see Silva has big problems with his squad despite some of the deadwood being moved on in the summer.
We must buy a couple of players at least who are experienced for the Centre Forward and Centre Half positions come January and hope Gbamin gets fit and is as good as we hope he is. Buying potential cannot be the be the only tool in the box. A couple more of the ilk of Delph would be a start. Until then Silva has to make the best of it and so do we.
A very disheartened Blue.
105 Posted 23/09/2019 at 10:30:11
I fell for all this nonsense that Silva has shown he can adapt to different playing styles and has succeeded in other leagues (What? Estoril?) Everton is a far different proposition than Estoril, Watford or Hull City. The fans want winning football and an entertaining playing style. They above all else want 100% effort from anyone lucky enough to get to wear the blue shirt. For too long now, we haven't seen any of the above. We want a manager who can think under pressure and react. Not someone who only has a plan A and reverts to the same tactics and substitutions.
Dyche, Howe etc are much of the same. Benitez is the only one I would consider.
106 Posted 23/09/2019 at 10:37:39
107 Posted 23/09/2019 at 11:12:13
What a mess. City will destroy us, and teams like Burnley and Brighton away are all wrong for us at the moment. I don't know where we go from here.
108 Posted 23/09/2019 at 11:50:57
There is no doubt about it Benitez is an excellent manager. Proven. He creates resilient and organised football teams. Even at Newcastle's lowest ebb he got some sort of a team response. I thought he worked miracles there considering the shite he had to put up with.
All the ex-Liverpool stuff would soon be forgotten if he turned us around and beat the RS at Goodison to boot.
109 Posted 23/09/2019 at 12:20:59
110 Posted 23/09/2019 at 18:04:18
111 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:50:43
I am no expert but it seems that benching the 2 guys that recently scored goals in a team that struggles to score goals is just plain stupid (DCL and Iwobi). How can they gain any confidence?
What is this obsession with a formation that clearly isn't working?
I would like to see 2 strikers up front, and play focused on somewhere other than wings (maybe up the middle at times? - I dunno).
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