Having finalised the signings of three new high-profile additions for the 2020-21 season, Evertonians will be wondering whether this could be the dawn of an era of genuine quality recruitment under Ancelotti – or simply a continuation of the trend of expensive acquisitions who fail to gel and live up to expectations?
James Rodriguez – whose 2014 World Cup Golden Boot winning performances in Brazil earned a move to Real Madrid – has signed for English top-flight stalwarts Everton, on a reported 3-year deal. Still theoretically in his prime at 29 and with undoubted technique and attacking flair, ‘James’ may very well be the most renowned and exciting player to join the ranks at Goodison Park. Certainly, during the last 25 trophy-less years, where an inability to create chances, score goals and trouble the big six has been all too evident.
Time will tell if new-blues; ‘Allan’ (signed from Napoli), Abdoulaye Doucouré (signed from relegated Watford) and Rodriguez, coming off two seasons on loan at Bayern Munich and just 14 appearances back at Real last term), are successes at Everton. History shows us that big names and hefty price tags are no guarantee. It also gives us a good idea what it will take for the midfield trio to become fans' favourites to the blue half of Merseyside.
Everton’s Team of the Premier League Era
I’ve trawled through the records of a 100 of the club’s biggest-name and longer serving ‘stars’ since 1992, to proudly present my Everton team of the Premier League era. These are the players I’m proudest to say were blues, not only based on their time at Goodison Park, but also where players have gone on to have great success having impressed or started with the Toffees.
I’m an Everton supporter, although admittedly not the long-enduring, fanatical kind that loyally follows the team through thick and thin… and very thin. I shortlisted players largely based on playing statistics and accolades (and following the club from a distance for the last 30 years).
By using a number of different indicators for selection, I’ve tried to ensure the final XI is not over-represented by loyal servants or high-profile players that we never saw the best of. So, here’s who made the frame and why:
300+ Premier League Appearances… Tim Howard, Leon Osman, Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka, David Unsworth
200+ Premier League Appearances … Seamus Coleman, Tony Hibbert, Phil Neville, Duncan Ferguson, David Weir, Tim Cahill, Dave Watson (over 500 club games), Neville Southall (club record 750 appearances)
Top 10 Premier League Goalscorers (and Goals per Game)
Romelu Lukaku - 68 (0.48), Duncan Ferguson - 61 (0.26), Tim Cahill - 56 (0.25), Kevin Campbell - 45 (0.31), Leon Osman - 44 (0.13), David Unsworth - 33 (0.11), Leighton Baines - 29 (0.08), Kevin Mirallas - 29 (0.19), Paul Rideout- 29 (0.26), Tony Cottee - 28 (0.41)
Leading Scorers in All Competitions (2 seasons unless stated)
Romelu Lukaku (4 seasons, 3x 20+ goals), Kevin Campbell (4x), Duncan Ferguson (4x), Tony Cottee (2 Premier League seasons, 5 in total), Richarlison (both seasons to date), Tim Cahill, Marouane Fellaini, Wayne Rooney
Tony Cottee (6, 2 in Premier League), Romelu Lukaku (2), Andrei Kanchelskis, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Kevin Campbell, Nick Barmby, Steve Watson, Yakubu, Louis Saha, Steven Naismith, Arouna Kone, Wayne Rooney
Premier League Clean Sheets
Tim Howard (116), Neville Southall (62 out of 269 for Everton), Jordan Pickford (33)
Nigel Martyn (30 out of 137 total in the Premier League)
Distinguished Club Captains
Dave Watson (1992-2001), Duncan Ferguson (2002-04), Phil Neville (2007-2013), Phil Jagielka (2013-2019), Seamus Coleman (2019+)
Trophy Winners – 1995 FA Cup
Paul Rideout (goalscorer), Dave Watson (captain; Man of the Match), Neville Southall (also part of last League winning side in 1986-87 with Watson), David Unsworth, Barry Horne & Joe Parkinson (2 of 3 ‘Dogs of War’ with John Ebbrell), Anders Limpar, Andy Hinchcliffe, Graham Stuart, Gary Ablett, Matt Jackson, Duncan Ferguson, Daniel Amokachi
Everton Players of the Season (first awarded 05-06 season)
Mikel Arteta (2005-06, 2006-07), Joleon Lescott (2007-08), Phil Jagielka (2008-09, 2014-15), Steven Pienaar (2009-10), Leighton Baines (2010-11, 2012-13), John Heitinga (2011-2012), Seamus Coleman (2013-14), Gareth Barry 2015-16, Romelu Lukaku (2016-17), Jordan Pickford (2017-18), Lucas Digne (2018-19)
Hall of Fame ‘Giants’
Neville Southall, Dave Watson, Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth
England Caps at Everton
Phil Jagielka (40), Leighton Baines (30), Jordan Pickford (25), Ross Barkley (22), Wayne Rooney (17), John Stones (10), Martin Keown (9), Michael Keane (8), Joleon Lescott (7), Nick Barmby (5), Andy Hinchcliffe (4)
Capped Academy Products
Francis Jeffers (1 cap, 1 goal), Leon Osman (2 caps), Ross Barkley (33 caps, 6 goals), Michael Ball (1 cap), Jack Rodwell (3 caps), David Unsworth (1 cap) - Wayne Rooney (120 caps, England record 53 goals)
Premier League Record Holders & Firsts
Duncan Ferguson (First all headed hat-trick), James Vaughan (Youngest ever goal scorer), Gareth Barry (Most Premier League appearances - 131 of 653 with Everton), Leighton Baines (Most Premier League assists for a defender, 2nd most goals)
(Rare) Premier League Derby Successes
Peter Beardsley scores against Liverpool in 2-1 win, (1992), Andrei Kanchelskis scores 3 derby goals in 2 games (1995-96), 18-year-old Danny Cadamarteri solo goal in 2-0 win (1997), Kevin Campbell scores only goal in last Premier League win at Anfield (1999), Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta with goals in last Premier League derby win (2000), Phil Jagielka spectacular injury-time equaliser at Anfield (2014)
Earning Big Moves Away
Marouane Fellaini, Wayne Rooney, Romelu Lukaku (to Man Utd), Martin Keown, Mikel Arteta, Francis Jeffers (to Arsenal), Thomas Gravesen (to Real Madrid), Idrissa Gueye (to PSG), John Stones, Joleon Lescott, Jack Rodwell (to Man City), Ross Barkley (to Chelsea), Nick Barmby, Abel Xavier (to Liverpool)
Quality Everton Performers Previously Successful at Big Clubs
Louis Saha, Phil Neville, Tim Howard (from Man Utd), Gareth Barry (from Man City), Nigel Martyn (Leeds), Theo Walcott (from Arsenal)
Everton’s Best XI of the Premier League Era
There aren’t too many of these guys that I couldn’t make a strong case for being in my final 11 but, for what it’s worth, here is my hugely objective, 100% unofficial, Everton dream team of the Premier League years (along with a few honourable mentions who didn’t quite make it). I’m sure yours will be completely different:
Neville Southall – One of the best ‘keepers of all time at any club. League, Cup & Cup Winners Cup, 269 clean sheets, record club appearances including 207 in the Premier League, enough to edge out the excellent Tim Howard.
Seamus Coleman – Current Blues & Ireland skipper has overcome the odds and career-threatening surgery to amass 300+ games and 50+ goals/assists as attacking full back since signing for just £60k, over 10 years ago. Player of Season and PFA Team of Year in 2014.
Leighton Baines – Well-deserved retirement to one of the most attacking, creative, freest scoring dead-ball specialists the Premier League has ever seen. Started in the Academy, ended a left-back legend with 30 caps.
Dave Watson (c) – Ultra-consistent leader (and player-manager) who lifted the cup in 1995. Everton ‘Giant’ league winner (like Big Nev) prior to 223 of 370 club league games in the Premier League. 15 years a blue, still a regular at 37.
David Unsworth – Youth system to first team to captain to caretaker manager. Sorry ‘Jags’, ‘Rhino’ is coming through. FA Cup winner, 302 Premier League games and he even outscored Bainsey. Everton ‘Giant’ in every sense. 1 Cap.
Andrei Kanchelskis – Just 52 games, the flying Ukranian top-scored in his only full season. On top of his game for us as for two Premier League wins with Utd. 3 goals in 2 games vs Liverpool in ‘95-96, his impact demands inclusion.
Leon Osman – One club man, representing the class of ’98 Youth Cup winning side. ‘Ossie’ scored 57 goals in 432 games. 2nd for Everton Premier League games and 5th for goals his class eventually shone through. Earned 1st cap at 31.
Tim Cahill – Prolific midfielder with a prodigious leap. 2nd only to Romelu Lukaku for Everton goals in the Premier League era with 68 in 277 games. Edges other scorer (Arteta) in last EPL derby win 20 years ago! Top scorer in top-4 finishing side.
Thomas Gravesen – Best of the trademark combative midfielders, he also contributed to top-4 finishing side before turning Real Madrid’s head. Edges Premier League appearance record holder Gareth Barry for influence - each playing a similar role and around 150 games for the club.
Romelu Lukaku – The club smashed its transfer record to make his signing permanent and how he delivered. Pace, power and goals (lots of goals). Perhaps our only genuinely prolific Premier League striker. 20+ goals 3 seasons in a row and better than a goal every other game (87 in 166 games) - the Belgian was simply too hot to hold onto.
Duncan Ferguson – Big Dunc is proof it’s not all about what you do, but also the way that you do it. Another club ‘Giant’ and caretaker manager, whose commitment to the cause struck a lasting chord with Evertonians. FA Cup winner with five derby goals. He edges out the more prolific Tony Cottee who played much of his career before the Premier League.
During the Premier League era, and particularly under David Moyes, Everton built their teams around strong defences and quality ‘keepers. Tim Howard is extremely unfortunate to not make the Everton Premier League dream team and Nigel Martyn played a huge part in the club’s only Champions League (play-off) qualification.
Tony Hibbert is unlucky not to make the team having represented the Toffees for 18 of the 28 Premier League years, while Phil Jagielka made more appearances during the era than Dave Watson and could easily have taken Watson’s place in the side as Captain as a two-time Player of the Season.
Centre back partner (for club and on occasion country) Joleon Lescott, was also a consistent performer for Everton before forcing a move through to Man City. While Andy Hinchcliffe moved in the opposite direction prior to the Premier League and was one of the clubs finest set-piece exponents long into the Premier League years - including for the FA Cup win and highest scoring Everton team the following year.
Joe Parkinson was also a strong defensive influence during the mid-90s before injury robbed us (and possibly England) of his prime years. Phil Neville and Gareth Barry both earned over 50 caps and feature in the top 10 Premier League appearance makers, as does Gary Speed who could have just as easily been my midfield pick of a player who made a massive impact in a short space of time. The classy duo of Steven Pienaar and two-time Player of the Season, Mikel Arteta, were unlucky to miss out to long-serving consistent performers Osman and Cahill.
While Wayne Rooney is probably the most talented player the club has ever produced and can take great pride in his achievements, Duncan Ferguson is arguably one of the most popular cult figures among fans. Kevin Campbell deserves a mention for his 45 Premier League goals and four top-scoring seasons, while Tony Cottee was top-scorer five of his six seasons at Goodison, but misses out with three of those falling outside the Premier League era. Brazilian international Richarlison will fancy his chances of reaching 50 goals within his first three years at the club, with Rodriguez creating chances for him this season – starting with Spurs this weekend.
As my inclusion of Andrei Kanchelskis indicates, I believe you can be a success and even a club legend without playing 200+ games. Players can make big impressions at a club in a short space of time and if I’m honest, this is probably the most we can expect from James Rodriguez. Injuries, manager relationships and bigger opportunities away from the club can deny fans like us the chance to enjoy our favourites for longer.
Despite departing Goodison Park to pursue bigger opportunities Romelu Lukaku and Wayne Rooney must surely both be considered Everton greats. Lukaku earned rave reviews and a £90M transfer to a huge club as a result of his performances at Goodison. And whilst Rooney’s best years have undoubtedly been away from the club, we shouldn’t forget to take credit for the 16-year-old wonderkid that burst onto the scene and very quickly deserved to be playing at the highest level. Even at Everton, he top-scored at 18 the season he left and top scorer in 2017-18 when desperate to return to the club as England (and Man Utd’s) record goalscorer.
Gary Speed is another top performer who divides opinion. Made Everton captain after stellar performances in his only full season (including 9 goals in 37 games), the midfielder left the Goodison under a cloud after continuing in the same vein with 7 goals in 21 appearances. Roundly portrayed as a Judas until new accounts for his leaving came to light a couple of years ago – it can be particularly hurtful to fans to lose a player that makes such an impact without the player’s career making a clear progression.
And then there’s the injury threat. Joe Parkinson made a massive impact at Everton before he was forced to hang up his boots at just 28. Best known for being one of Joe Royle’s ‘Dogs of War’, the defensive midfielder was largely unheralded and it seems only Evertonians know precisely how valuable he was and what they lost with that knee injury. Joe regularly secured the ball for the creative talents of Kanchelskis and Anders Limpar (whose signing eclipsed his own) to utilise. Parkinson epitomised Everton’s fighting spirit at that time.
James’s injuries and his relationship with Carlo Ancelotti have probably played a huge part in him considering a move to Goodison at this time in his career – two factors that could change at any time. If he stays healthy, he undoubtedly has the quality to shine – albeit he will inevitably attract interest from bigger clubs. If injuries persist, we may be limited to cameo appearances. Whenever the manager leaves, the Colombian might not be too far behind.
Let’s enjoy the maestro while we can and expect a more entertaining Everton this term. My hunch is that Allan and Doucouré will make longer-lasting impressions and get significantly more game time, but it’s Rodriguez that can create the chances and individual brilliance our fans haven’t been treated to for so long.
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1 Posted 09/09/2020 at 08:45:35
2 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:08:08
3 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:36:13
4 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:46:46
They have worked with 2 of these players before, and each are superstars in their own Countries, Italy and Spain. I do think Covid-19 has influenced the prices paid; in the case of Doucouré he has proved he can cut it at this level.
Add to all this that they all were desperate to come to us, such are the expectations and the obvious pull of Carlo himself. All ingredients which can greatly make a significant difference.
Another factor that may be worth considering, is that the age these players are at, they will want to enter the twilight years of their career with a spectacular flourish, on what is considered the biggest stage of all.
5 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:59:47
Hopefully our luck materialises this year. It is about 30 years overdue
6 Posted 09/09/2020 at 11:10:14
Ancelotti being meticulous in targeting areas that will strengthen the first team from the off. Players will know their role in the system and they will be used playing their strengths in that role.
The new players will give us a better structure and formation from the off, with far more quality too.
Other current players will benefit from it and we will be dramatically improved from last season.
7 Posted 09/09/2020 at 11:11:48
This can give a rather different (and surprising). If we consider goalkeepers' clean sheets figure is as a ratio to games played we get the following (which may be a bit inaccurate as "number of appearances" is the number for the club rather than in the Premier League.
Nigel Martyn 30/137 = 0.219
Neville Southall 62/269 = 0.2305
Jordan Pickford 33/114 = 0.2895
Tim Howard 116/329 = 0.3526
I would agree with the general assessment that 'Big Nev' was our best goalkeeper of the Premier League era, but in fact, the figures don't support this. I was never very happy with Tim Howard who always struck me as too likely to make a horrible error but who appear to have been the most effective by a very significant margin.
Of course, it can be argued that Tim Howard benefitted from Moyes's excellent defensive approach and was thus less exposed than the others, in other words, that in some sense the number of clean sheets is at least in part a function of the setup of the team as well as the excellence of the goalkeeper.
I am also delighted to see that the much-maligned Pickford is easily the second-best (and apparently was the best England player in the team last night, it seems that unlike everyone else, he actually did something very good).
8 Posted 09/09/2020 at 11:41:39
9 Posted 09/09/2020 at 11:52:39
You can't use clean sheets to judge goalkeepers. So much more is down to a clean sheet than simply the keeper. Conversely the keeper can be man of the match in a 3-2 win.
How many times did Nev save us from defeat or a draw? There won't be stats for that but I can tell you he was widely considered the best goalkeeper of his generation.
Martyn was incredibly consistent and very rarely made any mistakes let alone ones that led to goals.
Where there are stats to help is goalkeeping errors leading to goals.
In Tim Howard's last 3 years (heading towards retirement) he made 10 errors leading to goals. Only beaten in that time period by Joe Hart (England number 1, is it any surprise Pep wanted rid).
In the last 3 years, Pickford has made 10 errors leading to goals. More than any other keeper in the Premier league. England's 'number 1'. A goalkeeper is supposed to inspire trust and give defenders confidence. Speak to anyone who played in front of Nev or Nigel and the all speak highly of the pair of them.
I trust Pickford to make world class saves in matches but do not trust him not to lose us a game or snatch a draw from the Jaws of victory.
10 Posted 09/09/2020 at 12:02:52
But, I think it is worth remembering that we are starting from such a low base. We have absolutely no team spirit at the moment at this club. No sense of pride or loyalty whatsoever. The pitiful gutless crap we've watched over the last three years can't be banished with three new signings. We are still in a real mess that will take at least a year to turn around. that's why I'm not expecting anything from the weekend, if you offered me a draw right now I'd snap your hand off. So hopefully people won't get too bent out of shape in the next couple of weeks when we don't suddenly start putting teams to the sword, cos that just isn't going to happen. Not with this bunch.
11 Posted 09/09/2020 at 12:16:11
12 Posted 09/09/2020 at 12:54:14
13 Posted 09/09/2020 at 13:03:19
14 Posted 09/09/2020 at 13:42:36
I don't buy into this idea that Ancelotti has some mythical "pulling power". If he did, he would be signing players the top clubs covet, not the ones they are prepared to let go. He has identified these players because he knows his "pulling power" has no effect on players the top clubs want.
We have signed three players who are all at a crossroads in their careers. James and Allan have been allowed to leave because they are considered as surplus to requirement. James is a brilliant talent, but I'm struggling to recall many players who have seen their star resurrected after it has been falling for so long. I expect him to be brilliant at times, but not often enough for us to muscle in to dine at Footballs top table.
Allan is a different type and though he isn't quite as talented, but I expect him to be more consistent. Doucoure interests me. I have heard all the criticism of his inconsistency, but he has impressed me every time I have seen him. Unlike the other two. He will be playing on a bigger stage... Could be the making of him.
Allan and James are both coming from an environment where one poor match can see a player out in the cold. Here, they will be given time to rediscover their game. They will only have had to leave their cars for a brief second to have felt what is already, overwhelming love from fans desperate for them to do well.
Success ? Depends on what you mean by success. My personal bar is quite low. I believe that, even if all three signings had great seasons, we have too many sub-standard players in goal or in defence to challenge the top boys.
If we were to approach this season playing brave, fast attacking football, I would overlook defeats. If we were to get the old lady bouncing with passionate die-for-the-shirt performances. It wouldn't break my heart if we didn't win anything – that bits a lie. If we can get the neutral rubbing his hands when he sees Everton are on the box rather than flick through the channels to see what else is on...
This season, I want to see the foundations laid for future assaults on all major competitions. I want pride restored... That, for me, will represent success.
15 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:00:30
However, he won't be doing a "high press" or tackling back. If we can build the team to allow him and Richarlison the space to show their skill, we could be one of the most exciting teams around. I'm cautiously optimistic.
16 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:27:37
Only 3 world class players in that lot - Southall, Rooney and Kanchelkis - tells you all you need to know about our EPL story so far.
17 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:46:00
18 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:15:44
"I don't buy into this idea That Ancelotii has some mythical "pulling power" If he did he would be signing players the top clubs covet, not the ones they are prepared to let go."
Wow, I can't believe you won't simply sit down, eat your serving of crow and get past it.
You were flat-out wrong a month ago when you wrote:
"The foolish claim that the name of Ancelotti will attract top players is already beginning to unravel.
The only way we will get players who have attracted interest of the top boys, is to pay them considerably more."
James and Allan have come to Everton expressly to play for the manager they know and love, Carlo. At career crossroads? Yes. Needed to find new clubs? Definitely. Would that club have been Everton if not for Carlo? Absolutely, positively not. No way in the world.
And did we overpay? Not at all. As somebody pointed out, we paid less for these three signings combined than we paid for Siggy and Klaassen together.
And why were we able to do that? Because they wanted to come to Everton. And not for the Guinness at the Winslow or the thrill of Z-cars or the BMD project. They wanted to come for one reason, and one reason only. Carlo Ancelotti.
C'mon. Eat that Crow a la Carlo and move on, man.
19 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:27:01
In particular, it must be said that for some of us, Ferguson is anything but a "legend". I recognize his significant transition and applaud his commitment and contribution to the club's coaching at this point in his life, but during his playing career I considered him an embarrassment to the shirt because of his conduct. I recognize that may not be the majority opinion here, but I know I wasn't alone in my feelings at that time. And for all his physical presence, I really didn't think he was that good a player, particularly in his second spell with us.
20 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:42:43
21 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:45:18
For me, Barry has to be in the side as hes only in competition with Lee Carsley and Joe Parkinson. No-one else has ever nailed that ‘holding role and our best seasons have tended to be when someone did it well.
Southall; Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines; Kanchelskis, Arteta, Barry, Pienaar; Rooney, Lukaku.
Subs: Martyn, Gough, Materazzi, Dacourt, Collins, Speed, Barmby, Richarlison, Ferguson
22 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:42:37
To say anything else is being too obstinate or stubborn to admit you were wrong.
23 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:47:35
Eat crow? Because you and I have very different opinions as to what constitutes a top player?
To me a top player is somebody the top teams around Europe are pursuing. Players at the peak of their powers. Not players the top boys are happy to offload.
Of course, these players have come to play for Carlo... That's because he is the one who has tempted them with the chance to resurrect their careers. I didn't see any offers from Pep, Jose Klopp, or Solskjaer did you? How can you talk about pulling power when there was only one person making the offers?
I really hope Ancelotti can resurrect the careers of these two as it would be fantastic for the club. But Pulling power?
We got a very good look at the strength of this mythical pulling power when the journeyman from Bournemouth got an alternative offer from Spurs.
I hope sincerely hope Carlo, Allan, James and Brands all prove to be very good for each other and can resurrect each others careers. It would be fantastic for the club I have supported all my life. But, as Paul Tran rightly points out, they are all rolling the dice.
If the day ever dawns when a players leaves a top club where he is regularly getting a game, or turns down an offer to join a top club in order to sign for Carlo. I may give some credence to this "pulling power" claim.
When Wayne Rooney came back to Everton he came because, like these two, he was being offered exactly the same opportunity to resurrect his career. He came because Kenwright was the one who offered him the chance. He did not come back due to Kenwright's pulling power.
24 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:56:34
There is no doubt other clubs were in for Allan and Doucoure certainly. Rodriguez was unlucky with injury last year so of course top clubs are going to be reticent which is why we are taking a gamble. There is no way James would be here if it wasn't for his former success under Carlo.
So I don't really see how you can say that there is no pulling power.
25 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:12:22
As for the Allan and Doucoure, the oppositions midfield is going to have to work extremely hard for 90 minutes against these two, they run all day can tackle and have skill, there will be no respite.
As for James well he could just be another De Bruyne and could be the supplier of so many opportunities for our strikers.
We are in for a fantastic season, I have no doubts
26 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:12:51
"Pulling power' is a little embarrassing. It merely provides the Kopites with another bit of fun. The day when we can lure players from top clubs is coming. That's the only way to silence them
Darren's time will come and when it does, I will serve him his crow and you can pour the cheap plonk for him to was it down. He may have a point about pulling power, but these players were available. Every top manager had the chance to sign try them but no other had the vision or the audacity to do it.
I'm sure there will be lots of fun to be had throughout next season, reminding him of that little fact.
27 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:23:51
28 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:25:32
"When you share a city with a club that can attract the best players on the planet". Well are you talking about Winaldum they got from Newcastle or Robertson from relegated Hull or maybe Mane from struggling Southampton hardly world class players from top clubs were they. Klopp admitted he thinks Werner was a top striker and despite the rumours that he preferred Liverpool they didnt have the cash to spend so he went to Chelsea.
Darren23 if you are going to suggest that Ancelotti didnt have the pulling power to get Hojbjerg from Spurs grasp at least get the facts right he was a Southampton player not a Bournemouth player as you suggest.
29 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:33:54
Coleman Jagielka Lescott Baines
Kanchelskis Arteta Speed
Beardsley Lukaku Rooney
Nev, Barry, Dunc, Distin, Hinchcliffe, Pienaar, Saha
30 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:37:45
For the first time since Moshiri came I see some professionalism at the club.
He came, he saw the problems in MF, and by God he conquered with three of the best.
31 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:46:47
They're certainly of a pedigree we have never attracted before.
Now if your standard for "top" is World's Best 11 or Champions League starters, or even just players who turned down offers from Pep or Klopp to come to us... then yes, Carlo has failed.
But the defection of that Saints mechanic notwithstanding, Carlo's "pulling power" is obvious and self-evident. We have electric talent, a new midfield, new excitement and a worldwide profile that we didn't have ten days ago, and the only reason for that... the ONLY reason... is Carlo's pulling power.
You're welcome to hang on as long as you can to your pessimistic predictions of Carlo's inevitable failure at Everton, but I'd say your avian dinner is already waiting in the warmer.
32 Posted 09/09/2020 at 19:58:10
Not sure what your point is. I'm not here to big up RS. I just started the obvious.
Making good shrewd purchases didnt blunt their pulling power. The interest for their center half and goalkeeper was worldwide. They had the pulling power to land them. That pulling power has only been enhanced by the results securing those signatures.
It's not a fact we ike but itd still true
At this moment in time there is only one club with genuine world class pulling power in this city. Hopefully Carlo can bring us the success to change all that
33 Posted 09/09/2020 at 20:08:32
I am praying we get some success soon as I really do feel we could be staring at the abyss if this doesn't work. What is for certain is these signings certainly show progress and a plan for the first time.
34 Posted 09/09/2020 at 20:11:10
As far as I'm concerned they can have the six points for the coming season and every season if you could guarantee me that Everton would finish, above them (top four) but, not because they've had a mare.
35 Posted 09/09/2020 at 20:25:31
You two have repeatedly complained about me judging Ancelotti, after six months, but here you are, both triumphantly proclaiming his signings before a ball has been kicked.
So come on then. You are both convinced the good times are here. If you really believe Carlo has "came, saw and conquered" why not nail your colours properly?
I've answered the question the OP posed by saying what will constitute success to me. but for some reason you still dug me out. So let's hear what success looks like in triumphant fantasy land.
Given that these signings have been so incredible and Carlo has proved to be the man. Why not tell us what you think we can expect? Ist? ... 2nd? ... Champions League qualification?
36 Posted 09/09/2020 at 20:52:45
Everton where mugged by Rooney. For over three years before that he had turned into a carthorse and unprofessional compared to his peers. Everton foolishly allowed him in and made him the highest paid player, keeping him in the style He was accustomed to. He was still a carthorse at Everton. , who couldn't behave professionally, with no rhyme or reason why he was in the team.
There is no comparison. with the transfer in of the three amigos and Rooney.
By the way under Ancelotti top six finish guaranteed.
37 Posted 09/09/2020 at 21:43:27
38 Posted 09/09/2020 at 21:51:39
6th or 7th for me unless Kean finds form or we sign a goal scorer of the Lukaku ilk.
Roll on Sunday, I can't wait.
39 Posted 09/09/2020 at 21:52:39
Noted for possible later piss-taking.
"James Rodriguez will be lucky to play 11 games with his injury record..."
Noted for possible later piss-taking.
40 Posted 09/09/2020 at 22:06:33
41 Posted 09/09/2020 at 22:11:24
42 Posted 09/09/2020 at 23:31:40
Last season was the first time Ancelotti managed a team who finished out of the top six in any of the top flight leagues he has managed in. He only managed Everton for part of the season. Take a note of that as well.
43 Posted 09/09/2020 at 23:45:06
I'll go for 7th and we can meet again next summer.
44 Posted 09/09/2020 at 23:48:50
Same old same old and yet another thread ruined.
45 Posted 10/09/2020 at 01:26:00
I haven't said one goddamned word about Carlo having "conquered" or "proved to be the man" -- all I said was he signed two top players we never would have gotten otherwise, and brought new quality and excitement to the club. And I'm right.
But in answer to your sarcastic question, at this point -- without any further signings -- I would consider 6th and Europa League to be spectacular success, and could certainly forgive lower if the performances were more enjoyable.
Why such a low bar, just like yours? Because I think Carlo has dramatically improved three positions... in a side that required improvement in at least 8 positions, maybe 9, to contend for the Champions League. Like you I believe the rest of our talent simply does not measure up.
At this point I see us improving from mid-table to top half, and perhaps a nice Cup run. Add some more pace and creativity in the form of a right back and another quality attacker and I'll be ready to dream higher. But Carlo has made a GREAT start.
46 Posted 10/09/2020 at 02:37:43
To me it's always laughable, extending to hysterically funny when they absurdly attack each other, forever.
The weird thing is that they persistently, ad nausam, assume their own opinion to be factual, and therefore dominant, against any other fan/supporter's "opinion".
47 Posted 10/09/2020 at 02:51:45
One of the duo (who remind me of the old fellows from the muppets) only came to my attention when he ironically stated he was ignoring me based on some past disagreement we'd had that I hadn't even noticed. I didn't even notice he existed until he stated he was ignoring me.
But I guess like Trump he will be right eventually when Carlo goes away (retires, quits, expires) and isn't in charge of glorious success in perpetuity, just like Trump will smile looking up from that place below one day when Covid-19 goes away.
In the meantime, I'm excited to see the new signings in action that Carlo was able to attract.
48 Posted 10/09/2020 at 04:21:53
As it happens in ToffeeWeb, Hinds and Wood are amongst the small handful who have actual writing ability. Take a lesson.
49 Posted 10/09/2020 at 04:56:33
Both protagonists alienate posters rather than bring others over to their way of thinking, even when they have something worthwhile to say.
Writing style? If berating and belittling others to point of ruining the thread counts as such then sure they have style.
50 Posted 10/09/2020 at 05:00:33
51 Posted 10/09/2020 at 06:40:09
52 Posted 10/09/2020 at 06:51:52
Darren who has been conspicuous by his absence, posts for the first time in weeks and poor old Jay Wood hasn't opened his mouth. Yet people are shaking their heads bemoaning the fact that they have ruined another thread.
You accuse Darren of bring snotty and exaggerating by quoting rhetoric you hadn't used. You may not have used those words but Jay H did and he addressed his response to both of you.
You are on another thread calling Darren out, and when he does finally post, you are on it like a shot demanding he eats crow. You dig up comments he made weeks ago but, as far as I can see, they are consistent with what he is saying now.
I thought his post was positive. He expects one of the signings to be consistent. He calls another a brilliant talent and he says the third has impressed him every time he's seen him, but that doesn't seem enough for you. He has to agree with everything you say or "eat crow". It doesn't work like that, Mike.
Darren is not the aggressor here and quite why Jay has been dragged into it is anybody's guess. Neither man has made the thread about themselves. Other people have done that.
For what it's worth: the "pulling power" argument is the only one I agree with him on.
Football management is a precarious profession and no player in his right mind would risk his future and drag his family off to a foreign land on the basis of a manager's "pulling power". Not when he knows a few adverse results can and usually do see that manager out of the club.
Stay safe guys and play nice.
53 Posted 10/09/2020 at 07:07:05
Anyway, Im with Terence @51.
54 Posted 10/09/2020 at 07:30:20
Football teams are a sum of their parts, not a FM collection of superstars.
55 Posted 10/09/2020 at 08:10:58
The pulling power argument is pretty nuanced. Like all experienced managers, Carlo will form strong bonds with some players. He's worked with better players, so he's bound to bring us a higher standard.
This season is all about the project going in the right direction. I'm expecting some better football, more wins, the usual bits of disappointment and 6th place as the base camp for future, proper, progress.
56 Posted 10/09/2020 at 09:12:43
They have us finishing 9th on apprx 53 points just behind Leicester on apprx 55.
It's all relative and we all want better, and 8th is unacceptable for all of us.
But as far as cold hard index goes 8th is better than they expect. So for a neutral person who doesn't give a flying shite about Everton 8th is an relative success compared to the expectations of a neutral.
If you think we are top 6 certainties you can get 5/1 on betfair.
6th [or better], and a cup would represent success.
7th, euro qualification and a cup final would be acceptable progress towards it.
8th and below is flat lining.
57 Posted 10/09/2020 at 12:41:20
I know, but Everton as you have hinted have let us down before. But I think that Ancelotti is a different animal than what has gone before. When you think of Everton trying to source the next Manager with the highest potential, it was like the plot of one of Kenwright's productions. Having said that his productions always ended with coming back down to earth anyway.
58 Posted 10/09/2020 at 14:59:19
Quite a few clubs have strengthened their squads but may still struggle to be consistent.
I expect the likes of Chelski and Arsenal to be bigger challengers than last season to City and RS but I don't rate Manure.
59 Posted 10/09/2020 at 15:20:26
60 Posted 10/09/2020 at 15:51:04
61 Posted 10/09/2020 at 16:01:27
Why dont you give Don Carlo Ancellotti a chance? Hes now got in three of his own players (Im not sure if Dacoure was his tbh) for the first time. He tried to get Gabriel in whos going to be a world class player. He might even get 1-2 more players in.
So lets not judge him until a few months have passed, at least. You never know, he might surprise even you.
62 Posted 10/09/2020 at 17:23:33
Even Tony Marsh isn't complaining about Carlo.
63 Posted 10/09/2020 at 17:31:17
64 Posted 10/09/2020 at 18:30:40
Re: My Everton Team of the EPL era
I pre-qualified my final selection by saying "the players Im proudest to say were blues, not only based on their time at Goodison, but also where players have gone on to have great success having impressed or started with the Toffees." What I should have also said (and what some of you have deduced) is that I favoured players who I perceived to have had been at their best at Everton.
Lukakus performances at Everton earned him his big move and he has continued that level at subsequent clubs. He makes my team and Richarlison could join him with a couple of big goalscoring years benefiting from extra quality behind him.
Kanchelskis was as fantastic for us that first year – every bit as good as for Utd. Similarly, Tim Howard, who may have won more with United, but I believe was better for the Blues. Lescott just missed out on my team after Everton were rewarded for taking a chance on him (where others had passed). He went to City off the back of those performances but the move didnt make him a better player. Similarly, John Stones hasnt kicked on from his City move, but theres still a quality player there if he, like a number of Everton favourites, were to return to Goodison. Im sure hed rediscover his old form and even progress again in a settled back four.
Rooney at his best gets in ahead of Ferguson, no question - but his best was for United (as big an impact as he made for a couple of teenage years with us) - hence the honourable mention only. Similarly, Beardsley was great for us (albeit his best season was pre-EPL). He was arguably better at Liverpool and definitely better at Newcastle. I dont think we saw the best of Barmby or Barry either.
Materazzi was a top defender for many years and is therefore an honourable mention, but he didnt get a chance to evolve into the finished article in his one season at Goodison. And whilst Id love to have included Joe Parkinson and Everton certainly did benefit from his best years - his few progressive seasons in the top flight dont (in my opinion) really put him in contention against 15-20-year top performers.
Speed was pure class and perhaps I overly favoured Graveson in my selection in wanting to make sure that there was that balance in midfield that often gets overlooked in best elevens. I was also keen to have some representation for our excellent academy, so Osman and Unsworth got marginal calls over the likes of Pienaar, Jagielka, Yobo and Distin (where I couldnt justify Rooney, Barkley or Hibbert for example).
Dave #17 you are of course absolutely right that it was 10 (long) years ago, not 20, since we last won an EPL derby. Thanks
65 Posted 10/09/2020 at 18:33:45
Am I missing something, or are those who have spent the last six months telling us how lucky we are to have Carlo trying to pull off the greatest act of expectation management since Kenwright and Moyes invented the glass ceiling? Is that really the general consensus? Are none of those who have been making all those noises about what Carlo is going to show us the courage of their convictions?
I'm genuinely stunned. All this outpouring of watch-us-go. All this bravado and it seems the limit of our expectation is to turn the tables on the likes of Burnley, Leicester City, Sheffield United and Wolves? Do those who think we are lucky to have Carlo actually believe what they are spouting?
When Davey Moyes used to tell us how difficult it was to crack top four we called him a negative dream crusher. He didn't have the benefit of a brand new midfield unit of his choice for his second season. They sold his best player. Roberto finished higher than 6th in his first season.
Seems the luckier we get with managers, the lower our expectation becomes. The more money we spend the less our ambition.
I sincerely hope Carlo has a greater expectation and ambition than those who tell us we are lucky to have him.
Sixth? Sean Dyche'll be up all night.
66 Posted 10/09/2020 at 19:42:57
67 Posted 10/09/2020 at 20:15:14
Where will we end up? Who knows. But we should be competing for that 6th / 7th spot this time around. Who knows, even a touch higher if something clicks and we get some luck. And hopefully we'll see a shape / style emerge too.
Ok, it's not going to be our title year but it should be much more enjoyable than it has been. Looking forward to it, big time.
68 Posted 11/09/2020 at 07:46:21
James Rodriguez: "I said yes to Toffees because of Ancelotti."
Err... slam-dunk. Case closed.
69 Posted 12/09/2020 at 08:05:22
Not even if you had quoted the player - As opposed to the reporter. I am still waiting for the player who said he had just signed for a manager he regards as a complete Cheshire cat.
Contracts are the real pulling power. In every walk of life.James was not signing for the Dog and Duck, he was not making a choice between two Sunday league managers both offering him an Ayrton Senna a game to come and play for them.
This is a multi-million pound contract and seeing as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid were not prepared to gamble on the guy's future fitness, it was the only real one on the table. Those who know this and still want to believe that it was the manager's pulling power that got him here are perfectly at liberty to do so. I don't.
I won't condemn Ancelotti for taking this gamble. In many ways, he had to, but let's be very clear here. He was the only one prepared to offer such a lucrative contract.
We all know what James said about coming to play for Ancelotti, but they all say stuff along those lines.
The world and his dog knew Sam Allardyce was only ever here for a short term, but it didn't stop Walcott saying he was swayed by signing for Sam. What else are you going to say about a guy who has just offered you a contract when your injuries were making you doubt if you will ever be offered another one?
70 Posted 12/09/2020 at 21:30:56
Be a man, Dazza, and admit that you got this one horribly wrong.
71 Posted 12/09/2020 at 22:28:36
Spewing out words ad nauseam, in voice or print, is hardly a guarantee of credibility.
Just look at BoJo for instance. Never stops tub-thumping and talking shite to the extent he's long since become risible in all but the most skewed minds.
72 Posted 12/09/2020 at 22:37:19
73 Posted 13/09/2020 at 07:56:58
Read the quote Mike dragged up from over a month ago
"When we get the players who have attracted the interest of the top boys".
Get back to me when that happens and I'll be the first to hold my hands up.
Gambles nobody else was prepared to take don't count. For "pulling power" to be in evidence, the player has to have an alternative something to pull the player from - Think Ian Snodin
Gabriel and Holjbjerg had other options and are among a growing list of players who have knocked this "pulling power" nonsense out of the park.
I'm not sure why you and Mike are so determined to TRY to make this point (actually I am), but you are beginning to sound like you are re-enacting an excerpt from the life of Brian.
It would be fantastic if James was to rekindle something like his performances from his pre-injury, younger days. If he does, I will be the first to applaud the gamble. That is a guarantee, but I'll still always know it was a gamble.
"Pulling power"? When I look at all those good players who have gone to China. I can only assume there is some world class charismatic coaches over there luring them over to enhance their game... I mean. Why else would they go?
74 Posted 13/09/2020 at 09:46:26
Pulling power: James Rodriguez is only at Everton because Carlo Ancelotti is the manager.
You might need to read that a few times before it sinks in...
75 Posted 13/09/2020 at 11:01:24
Carlo is not the only reason James is here. There are several more compelling reasons I can think of. The first two are obvious. If he was still wanted in Munich or Madrid, we would not be having this conversation. We probably wouldn't be having it if he had offers from Manchester or West London either.
What is interesting is reading Mr Brightside "guarentee " he will will applaud Carlo's vision and audacity for bringing this superstar to play for us.
Looks at his watch and taps his foot
76 Posted 13/09/2020 at 11:11:44
Unlike all our previous managers (who wouldn't have dreamed of even attempting this move). Ancelotti has thought big time.
Now can we get on with the season ?
77 Posted 13/09/2020 at 11:35:07
Wouldn't quite ring true if there are, as Rodriguez could have remained at Real Madrid on "allegedly" over £200,000 a week (net I believe) instead of moving to Everton for "allegedly" £76,000 a week.
Ancelotti and Rodriguez have a well documented history and know each other well so I think it's reasonable to say that Rodriguez came to Everton because of Ancelotti.
Even if he'd had no other options (if that's the case) I personally couldn't see him even considering Everton without Ancelotti being here.
You might say then that Rodriguez would consider Crystal Palace if Ancelotti was their manager, but he isn't, so we'll truly never know no matter how many times he comes out and says it was because of Ancelotti that he moved here.
At the end of the day if he plays well and scores regularly and gets us up the table I couldn't care if he moved here for the Scouse and the fact that he thinks the Grafton is still on the go.
78 Posted 13/09/2020 at 13:01:15
Would he have gone to Palace to play for Carlo ?
James on signing - "I am really happy to be at a great club. A club with so much history and with a manager who knows me really well. I'm looking forward to achieving great things here and winning things which is what everones aim is"
The transfer suited all parties.
James signed a 6 year contract for Madrid in 2014. By signing for us he will earn 12.5m he probably wouldn't have got elsewhere.
Madrid did not want the player to leave for nothing so were happy to take the offer we made.
Moshiri got a really marketable commodity on the cheap and Carlo got a man with the ability to turn his fortunes
Smiles all round
As you quite rightly point out. If this guy rediscoveres his form. Nobody will give a damn how, why or when he got here
79 Posted 15/09/2020 at 04:54:12
I'd also suggest that whilst he is otherwise Everton's greatest ever goalkeeper, Neville Southall's overall Premier League performance was not as impressive as Nigel Martyn's.
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