The biggest positive for Quique Setien's replacement at the Nou Camp is that he understands and connects with Barca's underpinning philosophies, something that was never true at Goodison Park.
His entire managerial career has been aimed at returning to Barca, where he spent six years as a player and a further two as an assistant to Louis van Gaal.
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1 Posted 17/08/2020 at 19:27:07
2 Posted 17/08/2020 at 20:51:57
He also has the charisma of a dead fish.
3 Posted 17/08/2020 at 21:01:04
Seriously, how the fudge did he get that job?
4 Posted 17/08/2020 at 21:31:13
5 Posted 17/08/2020 at 21:34:20
I assume the appointment will confirm Messi's departure. No way in hell he would want to play for Koeman.
6 Posted 18/08/2020 at 10:52:29
7 Posted 18/08/2020 at 11:29:31
Terrible shame to see the continued demise of a once great sport
8 Posted 18/08/2020 at 11:31:15
Stop me if you've heard this one before.
9 Posted 18/08/2020 at 12:13:26
A lot of people (and family members) have said they're becoming bored and disillusioned with it all. Whether they stick to that standpoint will be seen later, but the game needs to be careful, I'd say. The enforced break has relaxed people's attention.
I agree too about Koeman. Even more strange since it's been mooted for many years, God knows why as he's never shown anything to indicate some esoteric talent that would fit with one of the world's great clubs. It all feels weirdly engineered to me, as much as lack of an alternative.
All this said, the game is still about crazy enough that he could be a stunning success!
10 Posted 18/08/2020 at 12:19:34
Klaassen just waiting to get the call...
11 Posted 18/08/2020 at 12:25:44
Though I believe he admitted to Klaassen being a mistake.
13 Posted 18/08/2020 at 12:32:45
Barcelona are in decline and Koeman will him them on their way. Really needed to be thinking rebuilt after Messi. Koeman will talk about tactics he hasn't a clue about, will fall out with players via the press, and will spend a fortune on has-beens.
Sad to see European Football go into the doldrums. There will be a revolution in Catalonia, they are not as nice there as in Liverpool.
14 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:31:12
15 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:37:41
I don't wish him any ill will; the problem was he had his eyes on Arsenal. Everton didn't appeal to him until we made an offer he couldn't refuse. That was our error coupled with him, Kenwright and Walsh all going on uncoordinated spending sprees.
16 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:39:37
The talk is that he will only last one year. The overwhelming favourite for next summer's Presidential election is wholewheartedly committed to bringing in Xavi.
He is a Barcelona talisman isn't he? Someone who could potentially appease a fanbase in the short-term.
17 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:44:39
He had no interest in the long-term of the club. That is fair enough. But for Walsh not to be given license to boss the relationship, and Moshiri and Kenwright not to put their foot down – criminal!
When appointing a manager, it isn't like a player for me. I can live with players being mercenaries. But with managers, you simply can't afford that to be the case. When Koeman had to be bought into the job simply for the pay packet, it went wrong. He had no interest, knowledge or desire for the project from that moment.
He pushed short-term signings, lazy ones such as Sigurdsson, then swanned off abroad at will.
He was then replaced with Allardyce who was given over £40m to spend despite it being clear to all that he would be gone the following summer – spent on more short-term players on massive money. Crazy, crazy management.
18 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:02:30
How would Everton's case stood up in court if they had just sacked him for not completing his duties and refused to pay him anything after the day he was fired? Has any club anywhere done this?
19 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:06:27
How do we know how he worked? Beside some misplaced comments I don't see evidence he didn't work.
As opposed to Sam who went on holiday when we had a game... or Martinez doing TV commentary all summer, or Walker in his sunbed.
I think the red tree decorations and him talking about Everton in the third person are his only proven crimes.
20 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:15:54
You are correct – we are still paying big style for his over-inflated purchases of poor-quality players, his seeming disinterest in Everton extending to his due diligence of recruitment overview – especially the character of the player being purchased.
21 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:19:03
Not enough to find him guilty of not trying hard enough, or even trying, but enough for me. Guilty as charged... and at least he should have been paid monthly until his contract was up or a different payment if he took another job.
22 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:14:37
Glad to hear his contract ended last year, it was beyond a joke.
Personally I thought he was useless, and would have bust Everton, if he had had another transfer window. He came across knowing what he was about and arrogant with it. His management in most teams ended with acrimony with players and fans, following a similar pattern. Barcelona needs an experienced manager to turn things around. No way Koeman has the abilities required and they will regret appointing him.
23 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:26:29
The daft get was clueless from day one; the arrogant slob had to walk on water after that little stunt. Instead, he sank without trace. Brain of a pea.
24 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:32:57
When he got the Everton job, it seemed like the fan pleaser at the time but I think we all knew that it was just a stepping stone to bigger things and he will have known it too.
At the end of the day, he's still the last manager – and bizarrely the only Everton manager over the last 6 years – to finish in the top 7.
Koeman leaving us was no loss because he was here long enough. If anything, it hurt more losing Martinez because I do believe Roberto genuinely did care about Everton, you only had to look at how he physically aged in three years when the struggles became apparent.
26 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:04:09
27 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:16:55
If he can't shoehorn them over the road into an article, he will use any old stick lying around to beat us with. He is predictable and unoriginal.
Koeman was a bellend, he did get that right and no more than him passing through. Frankly, I'd put his appointment up there with Walker's. It would be easy to say Allardyce's tenure was worse but it was purely functional and we both got what he wanted from it.
Moshiri completely failed to recognize Koeman's motives or thought his motives to be the Barca manager would sweep Everton up in it. Either way, I wouldn't blame Koeman, it was Moshiri's appointment and it hinted at an owner with poor judgement.
28 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:14:24
So he did the Dutch thing and just decided if he wasn't "managing" the squad, he might as well play golf.
It will be interesting to see if Carlo puts up with his shit.
29 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:38:08
30 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:57:28
I don't think people can just switch talent on and off then want to win at the top table. I think his lackadaisical demeanour at Goodison is probably not far off his full capabilities now.
Real winners do not accept second best at anything. That drive is instinctive and not something they bother switching on occasionally.
He may look driven when he starts but my feeling is he is now a conman and won't be anywhere near the calibre required by Barca.
31 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:07:21
32 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:14:41
33 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:26:25
34 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:32:10
First season we did well, but we were poor away and very defensive. A lot of this had to do with the injury to Bolasie who was on fire before the Man Utd game at home.
2nd season either him or Walsh bought junk, I'm still not sure who we should blame. I never wanted Rooney back and it was like a punch in the face to us. "Here, have our food when it's rotten!" Basically what Man Utd were inadvertently saying. He would probably do well at Barca.
35 Posted 18/08/2020 at 20:34:18
I think you hit the nail on the head. As much as he was equally as clueless as Dutch Ron, Martinez cared about the club and seemed proud to be the manager. Still bemused me how he got the Belgian job, however.
The article makes a very good point about how Koeman never really "got" this club and I think most of us knew that at the time; this was supposed to be the stepping stone towards the Barca job. It just galls me that the mistakes he and Walsh made, still haunt us now.
Bolasie, Sigurdsson, Keane (albeit improved) were all expensive mistakes. Even Schneiderlin who hung around the place like a bad smell, and Martina who we have only just got rid of.
36 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:56:52
Apparently, that was his go-to answer for any challenge or disagreement at EFC!
37 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:16:08
"A lot of this had to do with the injury to Bolasie who was on fire before the Man Utd game at home."
Really? I must have missed that... and I go to all the games; home and away.
38 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:28:37
It's true, mate, he had an accident in his kitchen with a rogue toaster!
39 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:36:18
I hated him when he was our manager, he had no personality and this is exactly how his team played.
If the rumours are true that Kenwright said he couldn't bring Sammy Lee, then his first impression must have been bizarre to a man who has managed all three of the biggest Dutch clubs, but I wish he had never taken the Everton job, because him and Walsh, put us back years imo.
40 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:49:41
41 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:51:04
42 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:50:39
Wasn't Bolasie our best winger before he got injured? Mirallas was decent too but Gerry was horrific.
43 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:59:55
His legacy is the Everton we see today with the burden of some shit players and their associated wages.
44 Posted 19/08/2020 at 14:36:21
He is a total nonevent where man-management is concerned. He will also have to get rid of yesterday's man, Messi, who has far too much influence in the dressing room.
45 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:06:08
46 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:19:14
47 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:23:23
Having said that though, while he was part of a glorious Barcelona era in the early 90s, he did leave there in '95. A long time ago. Football has obviously moved on a lot since then. Can't even be that many people still at the club who were there then.
48 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:24:44
This is all by way of Ronald's apology for his performance as Everton manager.
50 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:47:15
51 Posted 19/08/2020 at 17:01:42
Now I understand what Paul Hewitt (45) meant by a "wind up".
52 Posted 19/08/2020 at 18:41:48
By the way, does Messi still have a locker?
53 Posted 19/08/2020 at 19:03:42
Good players don't always make good managers but many inherit a good team and a Chairman with money. He has been a lucky manager by the look of this appointment. I have no animosity towards the man but I can't see him lasting long at Barca.
54 Posted 19/08/2020 at 19:14:45
Silva has turned down big-money offers from Flamengo and the Chinese Super League, but apparently can go back to work anytime he wants.
It's beyond me.
55 Posted 19/08/2020 at 19:23:56
I don't know how Martinez convinced the Belgium FA he was the right man for the job, but the side he inherited you or I could have managed them. When he took over, what a squad he had: Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Kompany, the 2 Spurs centre-backs, Courtois who was rated as the best goalkeeper at the time, plus some other excellent squad players.
56 Posted 19/08/2020 at 19:27:45
Perhaps it is their reward for messing Everton up that results in the fantastic jobs they manage to get after leaving Goodison. There are an awful lot of our neighbours in every walk of life, from banking to media, politicians and everything in-between. I'm only left wondering how Boys Pen Bill isn't a Sir by now.
57 Posted 19/08/2020 at 19:55:28
59 Posted 20/08/2020 at 04:51:28
By his own words at the time, he relied upon his friend to advise him of all things Everton and football in general. We had 3 x No 10s: I suspect Sigurdsson was the No 1 choice; Klaassen was 2nd choice, and Rooney was Bill's.
Out of all of them, the only successful one was Rooney and he was dispatched without thought or consultation. That hurt him and us. (Despite what you may think of him, he loves Everton still and was streets ahead of the other two choices).
But Koeman was disgraceful. He didn't care. Say what you like about Martinez, or Moyes for that matter, they cared and bought into Everton.
The Independent piece is a thinly veiled hatchet job on Koeman. Richly deserved.
60 Posted 20/08/2020 at 05:10:50
He may, in fact, be the ideal kind of manager for a national team – a guy that doesn't have to manage a club on a day-to-day basis, doesn't have to field the responsibility for balancing and pleasing club management and supporters, doesn't have to deal with agents, doesn't have to juggle lineups through three fixtures in eight snowy days.
If Roberto is smart, he'll never be a club manager again. He can't handle it. But he could take Belgium to a World Cup Final.
61 Posted 20/08/2020 at 05:59:25
They are hiring an ex-player.
63 Posted 20/08/2020 at 06:59:26
Lots of rumours of him wanting Keane!!!! ;) Maybe he's been schmoking the local wacky baccy and it's true!
64 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:03:40
Still, he's fantastico and magnifico isn't he? His wages certainly are anyway. Which is why he's here, and why Koeman was here.
65 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:26:45
He came to Everton purely because he had dollar signs in his eyes. He had no intention of putting in the necessary commitment or hard graft to improve the team and foundation of the club.
What followed was terrible management, terrible recruitment and a demoralised entire staff on the field and off.
The fans and Mr Moshiri himself would have expected professionalism and commitment; we got lazy indifference that has set the club back 5 years.
I despise this parasite.
66 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:29:30
As for Koeman, 7th place and Europe in a functional first season, stated he wanted a spine with players off it, got the peripheral players and no spine. Hard to tell who's fault that was, but nothing excuses the snail's-pace football, Koeman losing the plot, sulking and waiting to be sacked.
For all that, the two 'shit' managers got us into Europe, two semi-finals and our best finish for years. Haven't seen that since, have we?
I suspect the people now employing them are aware of how badly run we are (easy to do the research) and may think the pair could do better in a well-run organisation.
They'd be right.
67 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:34:48
I suppose in 3 years time, there will be a thread about Marco Silva.
68 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:47:09
69 Posted 20/08/2020 at 09:11:58
If only, and before you check – it's not April 1st.
70 Posted 20/08/2020 at 09:19:13
And Fake News according to the Echo. Keane is not on Koeman's wishlist... so they claim.
71 Posted 20/08/2020 at 09:31:09
72 Posted 20/08/2020 at 09:39:53
Rule Number One: if a manager or player doesn't want to come, don't pursue them with ever-increasing amounts of money. It never works out.
73 Posted 20/08/2020 at 17:41:52
“I can tell you about Koeman from my personal experience. He provided me absolutely nothing.”
74 Posted 20/08/2020 at 19:54:25
If we can get £35M, I would take it. We need money and think this will help strengthen in more critical areas. Gbamin remember is still to come back and I think (but could be wrong) could add as emergency cover in this area.
75 Posted 20/08/2020 at 20:03:18
Keane is very decent but, if anyone bid over £20M for him, Id sell as Im not sure he suits us and both Mina and Holgate are better and play right centre-back. He was good after restart so it's possible that, with 2 years left on his contract, his value will never be higher than right now.
76 Posted 20/08/2020 at 21:08:24
Obviously utter bollocks!!!
77 Posted 20/08/2020 at 21:30:42
78 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:15:49
79 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:22:11
Schneiderlin and Martina are a case where Koeman had managed both. and both were terrible. Klaassen also he knew well again a major mistake.
This had implications for the current manager and the last manager. It will take years to improve the club
80 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:52:17
I hated everything about this guy, from his signings, to not giving a toss about our club, rather be on the golf course, and the complete shut-out from the U23 squad, and the eating routine at Finch Farm, right down to the Niasse incident. He set our club back a good 3 years with most of those shite signings.
Martinez, for all his faults at not defending and set-pieces, at least felt proud of Everton. He gave us probably our best season for that first year in charge, before it went pear-shaped, going toe to toe at Arsenal and Man Utd; so, although it did not work out, he never singled any player out, or isolated anyone.
Some are saying Ronnie was our best since Moyes. For me, he destroyed everything about our club, splitting the first team and youth. His arrogance and the knowledge that we were just a club of convenience, until something better came along... His transfers mainly were a disaster; it will be a long time before the stench of Ronnie drifts away from Finch Farm.
81 Posted 26/08/2020 at 12:21:54
I remember people defending his attitude towards players that he alienated from the club. It seems a conversation with him leads to the exit door pronto.
I cannot believe he acted without Barcelona's board consent, but it is the arrogance and sheer bloody-mindedness of self-importance that makes him one of the worst managers we have ever had.
Get on the wrong side of him and you may as well pack your bags or hang about for a few months until the fans revolt makes the board act.
I wonder if Messi will be cast in a bad light for not toeing the line or kowtowing to Koeman as happened with Niasse, Mirallas and others? I would not like to be a Barcelona supporter right now...
82 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:22:20
83 Posted 28/08/2020 at 04:39:20
84 Posted 28/08/2020 at 06:38:01
None of it matters, however. Bartomeu will be voted out in March if he doesn't quit earlier, and Koeman will inevitably fail (only partly because he's an arrogant ass) and be replaced next summer by Xavi.
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