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James set to miss Saints trip
The Colombian could miss the trip south along with Richarlison after Carlo Ancelotti revealed he has been struggling with a knock sustained in the Merseyside derby from a "mis-timed tackle" from Virgil van Dijk in the early stages of that game.
Rodriguez played the full 90 minutes of the controversial 2-2 draw in which Van Dijk was injured himself just a couple of minutes later in a collision with Jordan Pickford who clattered into the Dutchman.
The Liverpool defender had to undergo surgery on his anterior cruciate ligament, sparking an unprecedented backlash and vilification of the Everton goalkeeper in the media.
Ancelotti indicated that Pickford was regretful of the incident and the Italian extended an apology, saying:
"To be clear, we are really sorry for the injury [to] Virgil van Dijk. Every one of us hopes he can recover soon and well.
"There was this contact with Jordan Pickford: it was mistimed contact. But the fact the Premier League is so fast, it is not so difficult to arrive a little bit later.
"Jordan arrived a little bit later but his intention was to try to reach the ball. It was not to hurt Virgil van Dijk.
"To say it was premeditated, and this and that, in my opinion, is too much. Virgil van Dijk knows this. Jordan is really sad, really disappointed.
"It was a strong contact, maybe mistimed, but sometimes in football it can happen."
Richarlison, meanwhile, begins a three-match ban for a poor challenge of his own on Thiago Alcà¢ntara in the closing stages of the derby, one which saw him shown a red card and pick up a suspension that means he will miss the Southampton, Newcastle and Manchester United matches over the next month.
Club captain Seamus Coleman is also out with the hamstring injury he aggravated against Liverpool and which forced his substitution during the first half.
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2 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:29:48
3 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:34:45
5 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:36:32
6 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:43:40
What was it Fergie bizarrely said about such gamesmanship from Italian managers, "Every time I go to the Italian restaurant I check under the spaghetti." What a peculiar practice. Why even go a restaurant if you're thinking there's a nasty surprise hidden under the food.
7 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:45:59
I cant see JJK being ready for Sunday. Where did you hear that?
I can see a change of tactics for Sunday being more defence based so I would see Doucoure and Allan in the middle with Gomes playing left and Siggy and Iwobi completing the lineup.
I would like to see Nkoukou give a chance in front of Digne but cant see it happening.
8 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:47:10
DCL has been sensational so far but the service from James in particular has help enormously. For England it was clear that DCL benefited from Grealish's distribution and hardly had a sniff with the defensive midfielders in the next game.
Gordon seems to have slipped down the rankings so we could see Iwobi in for Richarlison and Sigurdsson would be most likely to come in for James. Of course Gomes could be pushed further forward but as he has been so pedestrian of late, he is probably just lucky to still be considered.
9 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:48:38
Richie's absence was expected, and to a degree self imposed by a rash late tackle, but he did have the genuinity to make a public apology to Alcantara.
The other side of my thinking is this, if we are to be genuine contenders for a top four finish we can't just rely on our conceived best starting eleven. Injuries and unfortunately suspensions are going to happen, but I didn't expect them this early.
We should have enough strength in depth, with Siggy/Bernard/Iwobi/Gordon, to either start or give options from the bench if needed. I don't in anyway underestimate Southampton either.
They have shown enough already to be taken as a team to be wary of, especially at home, they have some decent players too, in Ings, Redmond, Adams and Ward-Prowse. All capable of causing an upset if given time and space.
With Villa facing Leeds, and the RS at home to Sheffield United we can't let our position slip or concede points, keep the momentum going at all costs.
COYB
10 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:49:42
News Now mentioned JJK back to training on Tuesday and could possibly feature for Coleman
11 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:53:37
He got pulled by the cops for driving urgently up the motorway shoulder in traffic with an impending diarrhoea ejection some years back. Word was, he didn't make it. Funny as f*ck.
12 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:54:38
Pickford was going for the ball, was a bit late, and flattened Virgil Van Dijk.
The difference was that VVD looked like he was putting an intentional marker onto James at the start of the game. “You won't have it easy with me mateâ€
Whilst Pickford was just a dog going after a bone incident, stupid but no malice whatsoever.
Will Liverpool now be apologising for us being without a key player whilst we are trying to to stay top of the league?
Don't hold your breath
13 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:56:52
That's hilarious
15 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:04:32
16 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:06:19
17 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:07:03
18 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:08:36
I didnt see that.
I will still be pleasantly surprised if he makes the Southampton game though.
19 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:09:18
20 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:09:47
So, in for Richarlison, I would select Gordon. Then either Bernard or Iwobi for James. I think Bernard is better at emulating James by cutting inside and finding space and playing those passes. However, Bernard (and Iwobi) are right footed and so you'd need to inverse this by playing either of them on the left and then Gordon on the right.
Pickford
Godfrey Keane Mina Digne
Doucoure Allan Gomes
Gordon Calvert-Lewin Bernard
21 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:11:54
22 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:11:56
23 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:13:11
24 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:13:15
lmao that's horribly funny
25 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:18:14
I understand from someone who watched Liverpool against Ajax the commentator mentioned VVD 5 times and he wasnt even playing.
So I guess we had better get used to these senarios for at least a few games until something else becomes the talking point. All of a sudden we are being painted as an over aggressive side, maybe they much preffered the Everton of last year were we really didnt do tackling in midfield we had more of an after you Claude approach. So I quite like the fact that we are no longer considered push overs, and we arent a side now who will lie down and be walked over.
26 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:21:58
27 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:25:01
28 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:25:37
29 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:25:46
Hate to say it, but JP clobbered Ings at GP last year or the season before, "following through" on a clearance high up on his thigh.. and it actually looked pre-meditated.. he got away Scott-free that time.
Hope he has the right mindset this weekend.
COYB
30 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:30:43
Walcott is on loan so, as far as I'm aware, he can't play.
31 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:33:29
Wishing the injured players a good recovery.
32 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:35:57
GK Olsen
RB Kenny LB Digne CD Mina CD Keane
CM Dacoure CM Allan CM Sigurdsson
AM Bernard AM Iwobi
CF Calvert-Lewin
Subs Pickford, Delph, Gomes, Godfrey, Gordon, Davis & Simms.
33 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:46:08
As Lyndon says, this game becomes even more of a test now, it was going to be tough to get 3 points anyway but, with no James and Richarlison missing, that's our main threat gone and the link up with Calvert-Lewin.
I think Iwobi has to play in Richarlison's position as he seems to be better on the left side than the right and has had a couple of assists from there. If James doesn't make it, then who goes in for him? Tough one...
34 Posted 22/10/2020 at 16:59:38
35 Posted 22/10/2020 at 17:25:03
At least, I blooming hope so as what do I do for my fantasy football team now!?
36 Posted 22/10/2020 at 17:39:35
Olsen
Godfrey, Mina, Keane, Digne
Gomes, Allan, Doucoure
Sigurdsson, DCL, Iwobi
Bench. Pickford, Bernard, Gordon, Simms, Delph, Davies, Kenny
37 Posted 22/10/2020 at 17:49:15
Several important match winning saves and a need to look resolute and behind our player has him in goal against Saints for me.
And obviously screw the Kopites for injuring our star man. Dirty team them lot, have always said it.
38 Posted 22/10/2020 at 17:52:38
39 Posted 22/10/2020 at 17:53:09
Sigurdsson is not a natural replacement for James - he just isn't forward looking enough and no longer provides the goal threat of his first season. I'm hoping that Gordon comes in for James, Kenny for Seamus and Iwobi for Richie. As 'like for like' as possible with the available players. To keep the momentum going we must maintain the forward threat and not retreat back into last season's shell by playing too deep and leaving DCL isolated and feeding off scraps.
I'd not drop Pickford, just on the principle of never, ever giving the RS what they want. I'd also give Gomes a final chance to recover some form, but have players ready to come on at half time if there's no improvement. I'd bring Nkounkou onto the bench with Simms.
40 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:03:05
We will have to be tight, give sod all away and work our little socks off with everyone on it from the off on Sunday. I believe we are now capable of that. Go to it boys. Bring back 3 points and here's to Lundstrum stunning the RS too.
Pickford, Godfrey, Mina, Keane, Digne, Allan, Doucoure, Siggy, Gomes, DCL, Iwobi.
41 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:10:49
Won't be easy this game. We need to Allan and Doucoure to step up a gear. Iwobi will be starting and probably Kenny. We need Godfrey as CB cover. Right wing I'd start Gordon.
42 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:18:37
I am not doubting that James will not play this weekend, I think he got injured in the tackle, but Carlo has used the situation to Everton's advantage and taken the heat off Pickford.
Southampton will be a very, very tough game. They ran circles around us in the game towards the end of last season, they were almost Liverpool good. Our midfield was pretty much non-existent that day, only Davies came out with any credit.
I would go 3-5-2 with Godfrey, Mina and Keane as our CBs and Digne and Kenny as wing backs. Or maybe Davies instead of Kenny as our right wing back to provide additional solidity and attacking intent.
Pickford
Godfrey Keane Mina
Davies Doucoure Allan Gomes Digne
DCL Siggy
Subs: Olsen, Kenny, Delph, Nkounkou, Bernard, Iwobi, Gordon
I would feel pretty confident about this team, hopefully we can get the points from this tough fixture.
43 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:22:04
He said "we are sorry he's injured," the subtlety of which could (and has) been lost on lots of people.
If it pours oil on troubled waters though then that's a positive.
44 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:39:55
If I met van Dijk, I might say "Sorry to hear about your injury" (or I might not!), which is using sorry in the context Ancelotti used it rather than as an apology.
45 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:50:13
I interpreted it the same way you did. It wasn't an acceptance of guilt it was "sorry for your luck" type thing.
46 Posted 22/10/2020 at 18:54:56
Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Bernard are all senior players, fresh, fit and should be reading to go. They can make their claim to be integral to the season. Also, Gordon and Nkounkou will be ready to step in if Carlo thinks they are flying in training.
I think we will have a more of a defensive look to us for this match. With Carlo knowing we can pick them off from a corner , free kick or one sublime cross from Digne and win it narrowly.
I am thinking along the same lines as Ajay @ 42, with regards the 3-5-2, a set up where we can shut down the midfield battle and then grab the win.
47 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:02:14
48 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:15:44
49 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:30:54
Pickford
Kenny Mina Keane Digne
Allan Dacoure Sigurdsson
Iwobi DCL Bernard
That's my team
50 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:34:45
Big game, win this without a couple of our big players, and the confidence throughout the whole club, will become massive, and this would help create even more momentum for the players.
51 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:36:21
Both team and bench will be a lot weaker on Sunday but the new found confidence should be enough to at least get a point.
[BRZ]
52 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:43:46
Once again, the media have isolated one phrase, taken it out of context, and put their own spin on what Carlo actually did say.
Whilst Carlo uttered the words 'We are really sorry about Van Dijk's injury and hope he recovers quickly', that doesn't equate to submissive subservience, accepting culpability, as some are trying to portray it. It is a football man expressing sympathy to an opponent. That's all.
He clearly goes on to defend Jordan. That it was not premeditated, malicious or stupid. That the resulting feeding frenzy is too much and simply not true. That it was a football injury that can happen at any time, to any player, in the high-speed game of the PL.
Carlo does a pre-match presser every week. Under the pandemic, this takes the form of a Zoom call with him on camera, answering the questions of 5-6 remote journalists you hear, but don't see. Comically, in recent weeks, the final journalist you always hear is an enthusiastic lad from Colombia who Carlo jokes with.
'Let me guess. You are going to ask me a question about James!'
Usually they go out live on the day. That has not been the case with this one. This is clearly a less-than-five-minutes section, lifted from what is usually a 15 minute broadcast, with Carlo answering a single journalist.
Everton has not yet posted the full presser yet.
This strikes me as the club - and Carlo - being discreetly pro-active over the inevitable questions about last Saturday that were going to arise. WE are controlling the narrative here.
They have put up a short clip from a fuller presser addressing THE talking point, as part of a weekly routine, without making any official out-of-the-norm statement.
And Carlo's and the Club's view is a very clear one.
'Sympathy for VVD (as we would have for any fellow professional out injured), but that's football. It was a football incident which can happen to anyone at anytime. Jordan Pickford is innocent, was not premeditated, malicious or stupid in his actions. The resultant feeding frenzy is unjust.'
To me, Everton and Carlo have played a blinder here.
'No case to, m'lud.'
[BRZ]
53 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:43:46
Once again, the media have isolated one phrase, taken it out of context, and put their own spin on what Carlo actually did say.
Whilst Carlo uttered the words 'We are really sorry about Van Dijk's injury and hope he recovers quickly', that doesn't equate to submissive subservience, accepting culpability, as some are trying to portray it. It is a football man expressing sympathy to an opponent. That's all.
He clearly goes on to defend Jordan. That it was not premeditated, malicious or stupid. That the resulting feeding frenzy is too much and simply not true. That it was a football injury that can happen at any time, to any player, in the high-speed game of the PL.
Carlo does a pre-match presser every week. Under the pandemic, this takes the form of a Zoom call with him on camera, answering the questions of 5-6 remote journalists you hear, but don't see. Comically, in recent weeks, the final journalist you always hear is an enthusiastic lad from Colombia who Carlo jokes with.
'Let me guess. You are going to ask me a question about James!'
Usually they go out live on the day. That has not been the case with this one. This is clearly a less-than-five-minutes section of what is usually a 15 minute broadcast, with Carlo answering a single journalist.
Everton has not yet posted the full presser yet.
This strikes me as the club - and Carlo - being discreetly pro-active over the inevitable questions about last Saturday that were going to arise. WE are controlling the dialogue here.
They have put up a short clip from a fuller presser addressing THE talking point, as part of a weekly routine, without making any official out-of-the-norm statement.
And Carlo's and the Club's view is a very clear one.
'Sympathy for VVD (as we would have for any fellow professional out injured), but that's football. It was a football incident which can happen to anyone at anytime. Jordan Pickford is innocent, was not premeditated, malicious or stupid in his actions. The resultant feeding frenzy is unjust.'
To me, Everton and Carlo have played a blinder here.
'No case to, m'lud.'
54 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:50:34
Really is time for whoever comes in to step up - prove their worth and perform. Our goal threat looks instantly weaker in my opinion.
Hopefully we have enough to come away with the win - be a great boost for the players coming in.
55 Posted 22/10/2020 at 19:51:12
But the last week has not been normal circumstances at all, I just hope we can have a week where we are not talking about Jordan Pickford again all the time.
Undoubtedly Richarlison and James are huge losses and it will deprive the team of a productive source.
Ancelotti seems to have no time for Bernard, something that surprises me because if the little Brazilian could replicate the form from when he first signed and linked up with Digne, there is a player there.
I don't know what's gone on with Gordon but he's another one that seems to have fallen out of favour, can only assume that Iwobi is training the best out of those three?
Sigurdsson for Gomes for me has to happen, Gomes has been a passenger for too long now, maybe the challenge could revitalise Gylfi?
Another thing I would like to see is Doucoure breaking forward a bit more than he did last week, I think there's more to come from him as we witnessed in his time at Watford, out of him and Allan, he's the one that needs to get forward more.
A tough game awaits on Sunday that's for sure.
56 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:03:50
57 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:22:39
We'll certainly be a lot blunter up front but with Allan and Doucoure in the midfield our defence will hopefully not revert back to type.
Would have predicted a low scoring draw under normal circumstances but given the crazy results this season, could be anything. Just can't see us creating that much without Richie and James.
58 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:31:22
No players at EFC having sleepless nights NO SURPRISE
No phone ins on Talksport..NO SURPRISE..
Just a player injured..purposely to be honest within the first few minutes of a Premier league game..by Mr VVD..NO SURPRISE..
Class all round at EFC..NO SURPRISE...
Still top of the league..NO SURPRISE...
Deary me what moaning plastic so called supporters we share this city with unfortunately..NO SURPRISE...
59 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:31:33
60 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:40:18
61 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:42:03
As for Southampton, I have watched most of their games of late and I think the blow hot and cold. The good news for us is that in their last outing Walcott was a catylist for many good things and his absense will frustrate them.
We simply have to avoid defeat. A point on the road would be decent, a win super, but we must not lose.
The competition for places should mean better performances from any that want to grasp their chance. We haven't had this for some time so it's up to Gordon, Iwobi, Davies, Bernard and Sigurdsson to stake a claim.
62 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:43:12
On to Sunday and I expect Siggy to come in for James, Richarlisons spot a little tougher, could be any from Gordon, Bernard or Iwobi, but reckon Gordon will be on the bench with either Bernard Or Iwobi getting the nod..
If it was not for having so many available on the left, I would have liked to have seen Nkoukou given a run further forward.
63 Posted 22/10/2020 at 20:46:54
Also I see BBC Sport is using the "Everton is 'sorry'" (in quote marks) headline, whilst the wording around James makes no mention of VVD's 'mis-timed' tackle - "James Rodriguez will miss Sunday's trip to Southampton with an injury sustained in a challenge with Van Dijk."
64 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:00:04
65 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:01:12
Surprising to see that rag report it in a fairly balanced way although maybe it's because their hatred of Liverpool fans trumps their dislike of Evertonians?
66 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:05:17
Might have been better to acknowledge without that "S" word, as this has given them the ammo for their twisting.
67 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:12:02
68 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:17:35
He will be rueing the absence of Richarlison and James on Sunday, knowing they are two players who are very important to us. But he won't be having an attack of the vapours, he will assess his options and put out the best team, with the best plan, he can.
69 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:18:03
[BRZ]
70 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:20:50
You yourself played the same game as the tabloids as soon as the video appeared in the public domain on the 'Richarlison Apologizes' thread, presuming the worst about Carlo's statement.
You described Carlo's words as a 'regretable precedent' and that the club has 'now folded under the pressure.'
Nonsense. Just like the tabloids.
[BRZ]
71 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:31:41
Take the key word 'sorry'.
Possible definition of sorry:
1. expressing sympathy with someone else's misfortune.
"I was sorry to hear about what happened to our neighbour's and the world's best-ever centre back"
2. feeling regret or penitence.
"I am sorry that during the short time that the world's best-ever centre back was on the pitch that he saw fit to gratuitously foul our star player twice, which means he will be unavailable to play for Everton this weekend"
I have no doubts in my own mind which of the two definitions Carlo intended.
72 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:32:19
The longer term view; the errors he made on Saturday are part of a prolonged poor spell of form. He deserves to sit and see if that provokes a positive reaction. I'd go as far to drop him for the Newcastle game too, he's already proven he cannot handle particularly well. That might make him reflect further, Indeed his own mental health cannot be great atm, it's sensible and measured, ignore the hysteria around last weekend.
Then go from there, if Olsen is error free then he should keep the shirt. If he fails to impress, bring Pickford back in.
73 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:33:19
74 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:37:24
Next time there's a similar incident, RS or not, you may see why I said precedent.
Edit - it wasn't a video I saw, but transcript.
75 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:40:24
I appreciate Southampton away is tougher than Brighton at home, but we were without Allan, Gomes and Richarlison was gone before half time versus Brighton and we stuffed them, so relax!
Even allowing for injuries, still expect the blues to win.
76 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:42:50
Well there you are, Jay. You just outlined how it works. You have no doubt - but you are not the rest of the readership.
77 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:49:07
78 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:53:21
Grab your torches and pitchforks! Let's scream to our friends in the press to take up this ridiculous injustice on our behalf!
Who's with me? We riot!!
Nah. Sorry. I've been influenced by the major media outlets to be dramatic and over-react wildly. Apologies.
[BRZ]
79 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:56:09
I have no doubts behind the scenes how the club responded (or not!) was discussed extensively. I cover that in an earlier post. Everton has not gone out of its way to make a standalone statement on last Saturday's events. The video is part of a regular weekly feature.
You presume the worst of the club and take the extreme position that they have set a 'regretable precedent' and 'folded to the pressure'. I don't.
As explained earlier, I consider the club has played this very cutely. You don't.
I'll leave it to others to listen and watch Carlo and reach their own conclusions of his words.
80 Posted 22/10/2020 at 21:59:49
81 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:01:02
The bias permeates the national broadcaster, oh good. Who would have thunk it.
[BRZ]
82 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:03:47
And thank YOU for helping me reinforce how manipulative others can be in misrepresenting the words of others.
You wrote: 'Well there you are, Jay. You just outlined how it works. You have no doubt - but you are not the rest of the readership.'
Convenient of you Will to exclude the second part of the full phrase I wrote: 'I have no doubts in my own mind which of the two definitions Carlo intended.'
That clearly qualifies that I am expressing my own opinion, not presuming to speak for all.
83 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:09:28
Pickfords however was more clumsy but not pre meditated to hurt Virgil, yet now 5 Days later they are still going on about it.
On a final note we have had sly digs from Klopp, Souness, Wijamen whatever his name is about the tackle, do we do the same with Son, no our Captain Coleman led the Everton players into the Spurs dressing room to console Son, sheer class from one team, gutter treatment by the other.
84 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:11:11
Digne to push right up with say Bernard to supply the crosses in for Calvert-Lewin.
Means Iwobe on the right, not his favourite position, but with Allan and Doucouré behind, might be a different player on the right for us this season.
In Calvert-Lewin, Keane and Doucouré, we've still got goals in us. I'll take a 1-0 Serie A away performance special.
Maybe Keane for the pre-assist or assist, with one of his Pirlo 30 yard specials we're seeing more and more of.
Goes without saying, Carlo's got a game plan already so can't wait to see how he works with what we've got.
85 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:15:14
Carlo could of course have said something along the lines of 'I sympathize with Jurgen and the player, but that is football!" The press would then have run with Ancelotti and Everton unapologetic for horrific Pickford tackle.
86 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:20:39
Win without our best two attackers and our captain and you'd got to say we are the real deal and serious contenders?!
I should know better but this feels different!
87 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:24:33
88 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:27:00
89 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:35:52
90 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:39:13
How did you get that I accuse you of speaking for all? I was making the point that others don't see your take, and will fall victim to the media "Adjustments" that are their stock-in-trade. Perhaps it doesn't read so well.
I don't think the worst of the club, simply I think a mistake has been made by saying sorry. The video may accurately convey but that's not the issue; the potential headlines based on extraction from the video may be.
The precedent part simply means that similar will now occur every time a player gets hurt.
91 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:40:45
92 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:40:46
93 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:41:04
"We're sorry he injured you"-apology.
"We're sorry you're injured."-statement of compassionate empathy.
The English language is full of subtle nuances which can put a different meaning on a statement not obvious to all.
Not everybody understands them, so maybe it's not surprising sections of the media have taken Ancelloti's statement as an apology.
94 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:43:41
95 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:47:32
I think the British press understand very well...
96 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:50:05
Fuck 'em!
97 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:50:12
98 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:50:47
99 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:56:26
[BRZ]
100 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:56:47
You talk of a variety of ways 'very diplomatic and subtle ones' in which Carlo could have spoken.
I suggest you watch and listen to the content again. He achieves just that.
The 'sorry', as I have suggested, is one of sympathy, not of contrition or remorse, an admission of guilt or of wrong-doing by his player or the club.
He subtly refers to VVD 'mistimed tackle' and a 'coming together' with James which means the Colombian is unfit to play this weekend.
He uses a similar phrase in describing the Pickford-VVD collison as 'mistimed contact.'
In doing this he has very subtly linked VVD to two similar football incidents - 'mistimed coming together'. In one, he injured our player. In the other, he got injured.
Why? Because, as Carlo goes on to say, PL football is high-speed and sometimes injuries happen. 'That's football', the Italian concludes.
He is also very subtle in denouncing the charges laid against Jordan Pickford. He refutes that our keeper was 'malicious', 'premeditated' or 'stupid' in his play.
Without naming names, he very subtly, but directly, is calling out pundits, journalists and Liverpool's Wijnaldum who labelled Jordan such.
I repeat, Carlo and the club have played this very cutely. IMO, of course.
101 Posted 22/10/2020 at 22:58:49
102 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:04:18
103 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:08:26
[BRZ]
104 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:15:25
Like 'Sorry' is an appropriate word to express sympathy (as Carlo does), 'naive' (IMO) is an appropriate word to describe your position if you truly believe Carlo could have used alternative words that would have excluded any possibility at all of the media miscontruing his words.
You have clearly signalled in your time on TW your contempt for the media as harbingers of truth. Nothing Carlo could have said or done would have prevented them from fabricating a headline and presenting 'The Story' in the manner that best serves their interests. 'Truth' is incidental.
Suggesting you are naive because of what you have expressed in this thread goes against the profile you have built for yourself on TW is a legitimate observation.
Nothing 'personal' about it, at all.
105 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:16:47
Moving on, James is a massive miss. Gomes came into the club as a passer, a creator but James clearly shows the difference between world class and very good.
Both James and Ric will be missed.
I'd like to see Bernard start as a creator from the right and Iwobi or Gordon on the left as more direct runners.
I prefer Doucoure deep to help the defense but has energy to get forward when the opportunity arises.
106 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:24:33
I expect Sigurdsson and Iwobi to replace Richarleson and Rodriguez. Hopefully Godfrey keeps his place. I expect a tight game with whoever comes out better between Ings and DCL winning the game.
107 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:42:31
Godfrey looks a natural and also I'd swap Siggy for Gomes, and between Gordon, Bernard and Iwobi to take Richarlisons place.
Always a tough fixture, hopefully the players can take the chances and get 3 points.
Looking forward to this match.
108 Posted 22/10/2020 at 23:52:23
109 Posted 22/10/2020 at 00:12:21
There is no right answer...not for the press, who will write what they want anyway.
All we can do is hopefully beat Southampton which will annoy the rs even more.
The rs have an aging team (on massive wages) just on the wane - but won't admit it.
Again hopefully with Fenway not flush with cash poor replacements will be sourced and the slid will accelerate like Everton and united in the early 70s and klopp who is only only 1 smart arse ball boy away from a melt down.
110 Posted 23/10/2020 at 00:56:59
I get your point and a shudder went down my spine when I heard James was out. But, in calmer reflection, we really haven't seen the attacking side of Doucoure yet and while defensively he's been excellent I think his offense is his strength. This is a chance for him to shine. Additionally, while there is pervasive negativity around them, we have won games with Sig, Iwobi etc. Michael Keane is having a Steve Bruce 92 season, DCL is on fire. So I'm confident we can put in a good performance. But Soton, are so unpredictable. They seem streaky going on terrible runs then good runs. On their day they are brilliant. If they perform we could lose even if we play well. I'm just banking on them being due for another dip in form but I think it will be an exciting game.
111 Posted 23/10/2020 at 02:30:49
Maybe it's best both take their rest at the same time.
Just means we have to show some real character and gring this one out. Creatively, we'll be back to a similar level of personnel to parts of last season. Now we see what a good base in midfield can do for those players, and what a good run of form can do for their confidence.
I'll predict 1-0 to the Premier League's hatchet men. Long range goal from Gylfi.
112 Posted 23/10/2020 at 05:26:09
Did people expect us to go all season without some injuries or suspensions?
I don't think the likes of Bernard or Anthony Gordon have necessarily fallen out of favour. I think Carlo has a clear idea of his starting eleven and has been putting some of the more versatile players on the subs bench to increase his options for changing his tactics depending on how the games panned out. Some players have probably been kept fresh precisely because the manager expected he would need to mix things up fairly frequently.
Anthony Gordon is still very young and Bernard most useful against the less physical midfield set-ups. I'm sure they've been told they will be used in the rotation no matter what and to be ready to come into the match squad at any time if we have players who are unexpectedly sidelined.
113 Posted 23/10/2020 at 06:22:25
But on the matter of personal comments, it doesn't bother me personally what is said, but there's simply no point in making them. A point being made should stand or fail on its substance.
114 Posted 23/10/2020 at 06:27:49
3-1 to the Blue Boys.
Derek@109: Good post, that last line sentence was spot on and very funny.
115 Posted 23/10/2020 at 06:58:15
Yes, 2 very key players out, but that happens throughout a season. Only Liverpool have freaks last year hence their constant whining because St Virgil got whacked last week.
We still have pretty much the same back 4 and I for one have no concerns with Godfrey coming in for Coleman from what I have seen of the young man. One of our most potent sources of supply for DCL has been down that left hand side, so Digne is key. Also, we still have a very strong midfield 3 of Allan, Gomes and Doucoure with one of the most in form strikers in the country in front of them.
There is no falling out of favour for Gordon, Bernard etc. We now have better quality from which to select and although very different times, I think Carlo is very much like Howard Kendall. Most of the time, if his best 11 is fit, it starts, the rest have to live with that and wait their chance to be part of something on the rise.
116 Posted 23/10/2020 at 07:05:19
117 Posted 23/10/2020 at 07:52:10
DCL is now the most important member of the team. We have no recognised back-up while Richarlison is banned, unless the boss has seen someone in the under 23s who could deputise. Spurs have this Vinicious lad from Benfica, a 6ft 3 Brazillian who had a good game last night. I feel that we really missed the boat not getting someone to cover DCL.
118 Posted 23/10/2020 at 08:34:34
119 Posted 23/10/2020 at 08:45:18
Parts of the same media have concentrated on sorry, because it fits the narrative of the way this incident has been reported, but the word sorry, is often used to tell people it's gone now, so let's forget about things that can't be changed, and let's move on.
Let's concentrate on the next game, and stop arguing about something that's gone, unless it's with Liverpudlians of course!
I'd play Tom Davies on Sunday, because I want us to roll up our sleeves and scrap, just like we did to stay in the game last Saturday
120 Posted 23/10/2020 at 09:08:17
Still expecting three points from the game!
121 Posted 23/10/2020 at 09:40:52
What a tragedy that no one was allowed to be there to see our greatest start in years which will soon be forgotten. Steel yourselves for a return to reality !
122 Posted 23/10/2020 at 10:08:49
You've got us beaten before the game's been played man.
Have a bit of positivity! :-)
123 Posted 23/10/2020 at 10:17:20
Derek, getting us Derek's some bad street cred there dude! :-)
124 Posted 23/10/2020 at 10:29:29
125 Posted 23/10/2020 at 10:52:12
126 Posted 23/10/2020 at 10:53:49
James didn't miss St Virgil's trip - he got knocked over - and that's why he's out against Southampton.
8-1 to the blues with Southampton scoring first, obviously.
127 Posted 23/10/2020 at 11:10:37
Fingers-crossed.
128 Posted 23/10/2020 at 11:14:56
This game against Southampton now is the barometer. How we play without James and Richarlison will say a lot about this "new look" Everton side.
Depth and health are the keys. With our two best players out of the squad, we're about to see if we can handle the challenge. If we can win games like these while depleted, the sky is the limit. We don't have the congested fixture list presently, and we need to take advantage of that and pile on as many points as possible.
129 Posted 23/10/2020 at 11:27:43
however referred to during the Radio Merseyside commentary, but apparently not on the Match Of the Day programme, possibly an oversight?
130 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:04:55
131 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:18:04
They have a good manager and it will be tough,however with the talent we have within the squad I expect a win.
132 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:27:23
133 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:36:44
134 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:38:34
135 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:44:54
As for Mary Poppins I refuse to make her a figure of ridicule by associating her with any of that lot.
136 Posted 23/10/2020 at 12:45:55
For example, against the reds, there were no dilly dallying short passing between Panic Picks and the defense. Most of the Goal kicks were Long, though that would not please some, it was an effective way of looking to nick the second ball and send Richy thru.
So, in the same way, I expect Carlo to set the team based on Soton's style & more so, since we will be missing 2 of our flair players, we could possibly see Plan B or C where Kenny (if fit) and Digne dump crosses into our box & try to nick one in.
These are the games that will show our true character and also, these are the games which will determine where we finish this season.
COYB. We are Gonna win the League
137 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:08:32
138 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:11:47
On Saturday we lost one defender (Coleman) who was very capably replaced by Godfrey and we did not fall apart even against an 'as usual aggressive lfc mob'.
The game against Southampton will be different and will under Mr Ancelloti's new 'take your chance to gain a first team place' spirit, give the other players an opportunity to show their pedigree.
Every player will be fully aware that Bolaise, Ramirez and even Walcott have not performed and have been shipped. This is a different manager if you don't perform, sign no signs of effort or simply don't want to be here you will be shipped out ask Kean. He in turn should ask Francis Jeffers or Jack Rodwell if you should leave Everton when they want to improve you.
James to be replaced by Bernard and Gordon and Richarlison by Iwobi and Tosun.
So tomorrow who ever comes in will hopefully amaze us with their previously hidden skills because they can concentrate on attack.
I think we might see Niels Nkounkou on the bench. To keep our defenders on their toes.
139 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:18:27
Let them worry about missing their best defensive player. It's their problem, their pressure, their pre made excuse if they fail to win games etc.
Nothing to do with us or our next game. We have our own concerns.
James the creater is out, I'd pick Bernard to fill the void with the same licence to move infield when space opens up.
Ric the runner, the forward line engine also out. I think Boloasie may be the nearest thing to him in terms of pace, strength and goal threat but that's sadly not an option. So for me Gordon starts because of his energy and defending. Iwobi to replace either in the 2nd half.
Lastly a question. Who's turn is it to take out Ings and let the media moan about that whilst we get on with our title charge.
My answer, surely that should have been Besics role? Never mind..
140 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:26:10
Drop Pickford (he never will)
Start Godfry at right back
Siggy in for Gomes (who has his worst game in a blue shirt last week)
Iwobi in for James
Gordon in for Richy (playing exact same position, supporting DCL). 2 defenders on the bench (if Kenny is fit) as well, please.
141 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:46:53
142 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:50:54
143 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:52:50
And he made his point about Virgil the Martyr!
144 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:53:16
145 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:53:57
146 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:53:57
Next day James has miraculous recovery and should be fine !!
What's the bets he starts on Sunday and scores🤞🤞.
Carlo has been around the block!
147 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:54:41
148 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:55:39
I was very impressed with Ben Godfrey who slotted in seemlessly when replacing Seamus at the week-end, so would think that his name will be on the team-sheet from the off. Also doubt whether it would be necessary or counter productive to replace Jordan.
It would be like admitting he has done something wrong, which I don't believe he did, mistimed and a bit mindless maybe, but not in any way intentional. The vacant slot if James doesn't make it will most likely be Siggy or Bernard. Gordon or Iwobi for Richie makes good sense too, probably Iwobi, as he has been included more recently.
149 Posted 23/10/2020 at 13:59:11
If it's the latter, then it's A grade stuff!
150 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:03:47
151 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:08:30
Some on here were asking for a response in support of Pickford. Looks like he went all out!
152 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:13:06
Hi Christine [135] I must confess that I've never seen the Mary Poppins film although I have seen a few clips over the years, and aptly the song "A Few Spoons of Sugar" has proved to be of comfort to me when it comes to the fortunes/misfortunes of Everton. I hope you weren't offended by my indirect insult to Virgil Van Dijk, it was the only way I could get my point across without swearing.
Hi Derek [137] I trust that you understand that it was a tongue in cheek post, and it led to my reference of the "Saints vs Saints and Sinners" quote, of which I'm claiming copyright.
[BRZ]
153 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:24:08
First up, a Sky reporter asks him to confirm if James is definitely out. Before he completes the question, Carlo is breaking into a wry grin. 'No. His recovery was really good. He trained partially today. He will train tomorrow and he is better now and maybe he can play.' The injury was 'quite a big hemotoma (bruising).'
JJK not ready yet. Must train more.
Asked specifically about Wijnaldum's comments, Carlo dead bats him away. 'Did you hear what I said yesterday?' Pressed, he simply repeats yesterday's words.
Asked if Jordan Pickford is 'in the right frame of mind' and whether he is considering taking him out of the spotlight, Carlo is matter-of-fact. 'No. He trained well. Is really focussed on the game as are the other team mates.'
On Southampton, he acknowledges we didn't play well against them at Goodison and that we need to be at 100%. On being top of the league, he speaks of our new-found consistency and resilience which we simply need to maintain.
A lass from Premier League Productions then references NSNO and asks if Carlo has his own motto he asks the players to live up to.
Carlo says the club motto is a good standard to try to live up and is a good motivation for all.
She then asks how crucial is DCL to Everton. Carlo gives a little chuckle and shares a story from the training ground this very day.
'I was joking with Dominic what was his most important goal. Dominic started thinking, and I told him 'Don't think! The most important goal is the next one. The past is past. Because he has done so well everyone expects a little bit more, so that has to be his motivation - to show a little bit more.'
He then talks about Southampton's compact game and how we need to be clever with the ball to win the game.
The BBC guy was next up, Alistair Magowan. He always strikes me as the dullest, least imaginative journalist in these pressers.
'Has Jordan Pickford personally apologized to VVD?'
Carlo said Jordan spoke with Henderson after the match, tried to contact VVD, but really he has no idea if he managed to talk to him.
Asked about the absence of Coleman, Richy and possibly James, Carlo says all the players who haven't featured so much this season have trained really well, very competitively, and it is going to be a hard decision who plays.
Another journalist then asks about Ben Godfrey's performance. Carlo spoke that he was out of position and after initial adjustment difficulties against one of the best wingers in the league Mane he performed really well. He has trained at right back this week, Carlo has no doubts he can play there and he even confirmed 'He is going to play at right back' on Sunday.
And THAT is as far as I got!
The screen went blank and YouTube where it is hosted showed a message that this video is unavilable because it is 'private'.
Some temporary cock-up by some techie, I imagine.
154 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:25:48
155 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:39:57
Bruises generally are not serious. In contrast, a hematoma is a leakage from a larger blood vessel. The mark that it leaves might be dark blue or black, but it can also cause significant redness. More severe traumas cause hematomas, which may be serious and require medical treatment. ( I googled then copied and pasted this bit. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜).
156 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:40:09
Oops posted that before I read all of Jay's post.
The link to it has been taken off the Everton website too?
[BRZ]
157 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:48:05
Temporary down. Be back up soon.
I always like to listen to the last journo who is a cheery Colombian since James joined us.
Carlo teases him: 'Let me guess. You are going to ask me about James, right?'
158 Posted 23/10/2020 at 14:49:03
A decent dead leg can take a couple of weeks. Can also come good in a few days. Though I'd expect James gets better treatment than I used to get.
159 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:01:16
Jordan needs to be backed by the club and supporters until the media frenzy dies down. Then in our own time we reevaluated whether we have a better option. Ultimately we will replace him because (like with refs) he all too often becomes the topic of post match conversation. We need a keeper who has a steadying influence on the team.
160 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:10:21
161 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:29:49
162 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:32:21
Kieran, Regarding Gordon, your finishing statement would explain why he never made it as a porn star. :-)
163 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:41:48
164 Posted 23/10/2020 at 15:49:37
Put Siggy in for Gomes and then we have Nkoukou covering defensively for Siggy when necessary and making the overlaps for Siggy to feed and give DCL a chance for a hat trick.
Simple isn't it (If only).
165 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:01:53
Depends if Carlo feels Nkounkou has the nouse and experience for it. It's an option for part of the game also.
166 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:03:11
Asking carlo why he named van dick in the James injury and one or two more nasty questions.
Carlo wasn't fazed. Joyce is obviously a Liverpool supporter and should be banned from Everton pressers
[BRZ]
167 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:04:15
To continue where I previously left off, a different journo asks about Everton's away form this season. Carlo speculates that in general it is maybe easier to play away without spectators, but our improved ambition and motivation is also a contributary factor.
The same journo flags up that Michael Keane will play his 100th PL game for Everton and Carlo praises his performances and the fact that he is scoring goals as well.
Finally, Carlo beams a big smile when the Colombian journalist comes on asking his inevitable question about James. Where is the hemotoma and will he play on Sunday?
Carlo says he can't answer the first and if he plays will be determined by how he trains Saturday and if the swelling goes down further. The Colombian journo follows up with a question about Mina's performance last week and Carlo expresses his satisfaction with him, whilst noting he did 'a little mistake' which allowed Salah to score. No throwing his player under the bus.
168 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:04:24
169 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:07:39
170 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:14:37
I think carlo acquitted himself well. Although I see a few comments on YouTube. People saying carlo said fuck off.
It cut out before I heard it
171 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:21:42
[BRZ]
172 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:29:50
173 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:34:08
The Thought Police.
174 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:40:52
What the complete knobhead doesn't realise is that Pickford actually GOT the ball first.
And to claim you know somebody's thought process and decision making because "I did it" makes it absolutely clear you're a fucking idiot.
In addition to that it's now the turn of Adrian to condemn Pickers via Sky Sports. They must have picked the names out of the hat because they're not doing it in alphabetical order by the looks of it.
Guesses please for the next rs player to come out and have a whinge on it?
175 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:45:15
176 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:02:23
177 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:05:39
178 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:06:45
179 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:13:34
I really don't understand why they're persisting with this. I mean, what could they be trying to achieve?!!!
180 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:23:29
Well done Carlo you could have asked those people a few more like the one you asked “Didn't you hear what I said yesterdayâ€? He kept his composure well and never looked uncomfortable or ruffled, Klopp could learn a lot off Carlo, staying nice and calm and agreeable, he goes off on one when the questions don't suit him, I think he will be getting asked some of those questions in the next few weeks.
181 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:27:42
Yes they are compulsory unfortunately. Other than injury updates they're vey tedious
182 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:19:58
183 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:33:55
184 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:38:26
185 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:58:31
It was the same You Tube clip I watched on the Everton web page but the sound was excellent.
Every week I have the same issue. I can hear Ancelotti just fine but can hardly hear the questions. Does anyone else have this problem?
186 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:01:03
I wouldnt worry too much about Carlo. Joyce wouldnt have even registered.
My reservations about Mr Ancelotti are well documented, but you could land a 747 in this fellas back garden and he would shrug his shoulders and give his customary "tis normal" answer.
The guy simply doesn't do flustered
187 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:02:35
Rhys Williams - 19 years old. Champions League Group appearances 1
Everton Football Club - 142 years old. Champions League Group appearances 0
Obviously this is very sad, on a number of levels. My only response was, if Everton had won the CL and then the PL, the last thing I'd do is think about Liverpool. I think you should focus on Liverpool, not Everton, and enjoy the moment, you don't know how long it might take to get another such moment.
There's clearly a fixation with Everton, and it seems the derby has increased that fixation. The derby, plus us being top of the league.
This is good, we're clearly a threat.
188 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:10:17
189 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:51:38
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