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1 Posted 03/04/2021 at 00:43:55
It's not progress, it's retrograde to every club in the land bar a handful we would be better off without. Perhaps as we have left the EU we should leave Uefa and be governed by a body focused on football in the UK.
One thing is certain: the formulation of this model is to the detriment of all teams outside the competition. It is a half-arsed attempt to have your cake and eat it. If you choose to compete with them you should not compete in domestic leagues or competitions. Let them go and no coming back... A far better ultimatum.
2 Posted 03/04/2021 at 00:57:30
While we're quoting proverbs, I hope all of the other European teams and all their Football Associations, grasp the nettle and take the risk of cutting their noses off to spite their face, and tell them - right, off you go then and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
3 Posted 03/04/2021 at 01:43:49
"If you've got it, flaunt it" is my motto. Just ask my Probation Officer! Never did me any harm.
4 Posted 03/04/2021 at 02:50:01
You bring up a good point regarding the EU. We now have the only major European league not in the EU which means presumably we are not inextricably entwined legally on matters that go to court, eg, Boaman. So I think, if we make enough fuss, it'll be harder than before for Uefa to force us to comply.
5 Posted 03/04/2021 at 04:25:30
Where Brexit will have an impact is in the probable medium- and long-term decline in the value of the Pound against the Euro. The ability to pay the top wages in football and therefore attract the very best players could well end up under serious threat. I suspect this is a root motivation for the so-called European Super League we keep hearing about. I think there's a few top English clubs looking to guarantee future income streams in Euros and are driving this European Super League agenda further and faster than ever before.
This isn't going away either. It's essentially about hedging risk for the top clubs, the amounts of money at stake are enormous.
6 Posted 03/04/2021 at 04:38:26
Given that Barce are virtually bankrupt, and Bayern claim they want to preserve the Bundesliga, what's to stop the Premier League telling Agnelli, Qatar and the latest Real Madrid president to go fuck themselves? The balance of power is very much with the Premier League.
7 Posted 03/04/2021 at 05:21:36
When it seemed as if the Greeks too might flee the Euro currency area and reinstate the Drachma, the effect upon the football there was illustrative in this regard. Players were fleeing to Rangers (then in the bottom of the Scottish structure) as an example.
The top English clubs want a future where a big part of their income is earned in Euros; the irony being Brexit could end up inadvertently causing a European Super League by pushing the really big English clubs to hedge their currency risk and strike out.
The Premier League has no balance of power whatsoever in my view. The European clubs can afford to play hard to get, they understand the situation as well as anybody else.
It'll be fascinating to see how it plays out, but ultimately it seems as if football really is intent on eating itself. Doesn't it?
8 Posted 03/04/2021 at 06:33:34
9 Posted 03/04/2021 at 07:51:13
10 Posted 03/04/2021 at 09:13:59
11 Posted 03/04/2021 at 09:24:35
12 Posted 03/04/2021 at 09:28:02
13 Posted 03/04/2021 at 09:42:56
14 Posted 03/04/2021 at 10:00:45
Russia, the Gulf nations and China have all tried to entice the best players, offering outrageous salaries, in order to boost their own leagues. They have all failed!!
This ‘super league will fail too. It will become boring and predictable. Some will say thats whats happening here with Man City. Well, before City it was Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal and before them, the rs.
Football is cyclical and that is what Agnelli and co. are trying to reverse. They wont succeed.
15 Posted 03/04/2021 at 10:15:55
I was saying I agree 100%
I'm surprised that you - A scottie roader- didnt recognise the phrase.
You've been away too long girl.
16 Posted 03/04/2021 at 11:26:49
What was that Groucho Marx quote? " I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member". Well, the so called Big Six should heed the great man's words.
17 Posted 03/04/2021 at 11:58:15
I do agree with Christine that the FA and other national leagues need to grow a pair and stand up to the super clubs in that respect, but think the EU thing is a bit of a rabbit hole. Throughout the entire Brexit debate I think we lost sight of the fact that the EU isn't Europe and Europe isn't the EU. As we all know, Uefa includes many non-EU countries, some that are not even in Europe, which always confused me.
May have missed something again, but 36 teams? Apart from being Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, the Milan clubs, Liverpool and Manchester United, what is the acceptance criteria to be considered for the club? Apologies, other than being inherently suspicious of this, I'm not particularly well read on the details. I was the same about the Champions League; a contradiction of terms in a name if there ever was one.
18 Posted 03/04/2021 at 12:07:36
But I still think it's very much going to happen. Revolutionary ideas are no guarantee of success - see Guy Fawkes. Similarly, really bad ideas that end up backfiring dreadfully happen all the time - see Football Index.
The financial stakes in football are far too high to allow the simple erosion of value through a currency devaluation. These guys who own the clubs now are the real big time, ruthless and powerful billionaires. It seems inevitable they'll be advised to break away and therefore remove the possibility of their asset declining rapidly in sterling. (As they will have this lucrative new income stream in Euros).
If anybody is familiar with the Super Rugby competition, it's structure and the issues surrounding it will even see a remarkable factual example for where I'm coming from. For those who are not, briefly: Super Rugby is a franchise rugby competition played out over four (!) continents on a week to week basis for the benefit of subscription televsion i.e Sky.
I can see English football ending up in the same place and for the same reasons.
19 Posted 03/04/2021 at 12:48:23
Go and you go for ever. No selection for International football for anyone taking part. As Colin Glassar says it would be like the Packer Circus in cricket. As an authentic experience of real football as the Harlem Globetrotters were to basketball. As meaningless as the Shergar Cup in horse racing. As as worthy of attention as "Superstars" or "The Worlds strongest man".
The equivalent of Jeux Sans Frontieres' pointless and desperate attempt to seem competitive. Like a kid aspiring, not to be in a band with his mates but to sell his soul directly to the glitz of Las Vegas.
An obscene, self congratulatory, backslapping circus for those who put more money than they can ever spend above genuine achievement.
Go for it Liverpool FC; the destination you truly deserve. I never watch Champions League football. I would rather watch the EFL or FA cup. I would like to watch Everton in the Champions League only because it is the ultimate goal right now, a way to compete as things stand.
When the mercenaries fuck off I hope our club never join them. I'd rather watch us play Bury in the FA cup. Please let this happen and let the rest of us get our game back.
20 Posted 03/04/2021 at 12:52:17
21 Posted 03/04/2021 at 15:27:20
However, I fear we will be fighting a losing battle because the ESL in one form or another will happen. The teams will not be thrown out of their national leagues because such as the Premier League will believe they cannot function without the likes of the "big six". We as fans would disagree but we are not in the decision process.
The Premier League will retain those who join the ESL and those who join will consistently pick a weakened team to play in the national leagues, simply because of the number of games they would have to fulfill.
I know this post will be seen as a completely negative view of the future but I fear this ESL idea in one form or another is closer than we think. Where does EFC fit? One foot in and one foot out but we need to finish in the top four sooner rather than later to be considered as an asset to the ESL.
22 Posted 03/04/2021 at 15:36:13
Also for those who remember, as did the Premier League.
23 Posted 04/04/2021 at 07:10:25
At the time TV regulations in Australia were changed to ensure a minimum Australian content and Packer owned TV Channel 9 but Test cricket was shown only on the national broadcaster (ABC). This immediately met those requirements.
Players were also vastly underpaid compared to the money that was in the game and most had to have other sources of income, 2nd jobs. If you can find the conversation between Ian Chappel, Test team Captain, and Don Bradman, Chairman of the Australian Cricket Board (ACB) which Chappel later remarked that it was as if it was Bradman's money they were discussing. The Test team were touring India when the ACB decided unilaterally that they should go on to play a series in South Africa. This provided the opening for Packer. If there was an immediate loser it was grassroots cricket in Australia. It might interest you to know that at the time cricket in Australia was almost entirely run by two blokes in Sydney while Cricket Australia now employs over 400 office staff.
Most football teams at the highest levels and the players are financially well off and mostly thanks to TV coverage and if the Premier League, the FA or Football League et al want to know how to combat it then it may be through TV rights.
24 Posted 04/04/2021 at 13:31:10
Taking that chance we will need to recognise that GREED is a driver in most things. Certainly it seems this way in the idea of the European Super League.
So, I agree with all those who say to these sick greedy shit-heads - NO WAY BACK! - So to the likes of the RS, Man City, Chelski, The Arse and Spurs etc - if you go, don't even dream of coming back cap in hand when it fails. Any of those persons involved in running the Super League clubs are banned from the UK leagues for a minimum of 30 to 50 years. and stick by it!!!
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