West Ham United vs Everton

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Everton enter the Last Chance Saloon where their European hopes are concerned as they travel to the London Stadium to face West Ham.

Playing a direct rival for qualification to the Europa League with just five games remaining, it's a case of “have to win” for Carlo Ancelotti's men who can put their home woes behind them again and continue their fine away form by picking up three points.

A win over one of the surprise packages of the 2020-21 season would bring the Toffees to within three points of West Ham with a game in hand, albeit with an inferior goal difference to David Moyes's team which could end up being crucial depending on how the remaining results pan out.

Everton will also have a better idea of how large a gap will lie between them and both Tottenham and Liverpool following the Saturday fixtures but the possibility of Europe will still be out there by the time the Blues kick-off on Sunday.

Ancelotti has been buoyed by the news that one of his most important players will return to the team after missing the last eight games in all competitions, in which time Everton have picked up just one victory, that being the 1-0 win at Arsenal a fortnight ago.

Abdoulaye Doucouré was back in full training this week and his manager announced during his pre-match press conference at Finch Farm that the French midfielder will be available. Doucouré's dynamism, tenacity and stamina have been sorely missed from a midfield that has struggled in recent weeks without him.

Unfortunately, while the football gods have given with one hand, they have taken away again with the other after Ancelotti revealed that James Rodriguez hasn't trained with the group this week and won't be back in full training until next week. After pulling out of last week's game against Aston Villa during the warm-up, he will sit this one out as well but the hope is that he will be ready to face the Villans in the re-arranged return fixture at Villa Park next Thursday.

That means an unchanged group from which to select the remainder of the side and, assuming Doucouré comes in for the under-performing André Gomes, the main focus will be on the defence and wide right positions. Questionable performances from Mason Holgate alongside Ben Godfrey in an inexperienced central-defensive pairing and Alex Iwobi playing in Rodriguez's stead against Villa could force Ancelotti into making further changes to a line-up that remains unsettled.

A reversion back to a five-man defence would largely negate the need to replace Iwobi — one of Seamus Coleman or Holgate would play right wing-back with Yerry Mina and Michael Keane both returning to centre-half — but there is also the possibility of using Bernard in place of the Nigerian and retaining the formation that started against Villa.

In terms of the opposition, Everton will have to concern themselves chiefly with Michail Antonio whose energy, determination and goalscoring prowess make him an indispensable presence in Moyes's side. The forward returned against Burnley last weekend and scored both goals as the Hammers came back from a goal down to win and keep themselves in 5th place.

In addition to Antonio, Aaron Cresswell, a regular supplier of assists from left-back and another regular goalscorer in the form of Tomáš Souček are also key danger men that the Blues will need to shackle. If they can do that, then it's just the lack of his own team's offensive production that Ancelotti will need to address — only once have Everton have scored more than one goal in a game since winning 2-0 at Anfield in February; that was against Tottenham last month.

Everton's 2020-21 campaign has come to be defined by their excellent away form and they will have to draw on all of that experience and know-how this weekend in order to keep alive their waning hopes of playing European football next season.

A draw wouldn't be a disaster given that they would just need to overhaul West Ham in the table between now and 23rd May but anything other than three points would make for a huge mountain to climb.

Kick-off: 4:30pm, Sunday 9 May 2021 on Sky Sports
Referee: Stuart Atwell
VAR: Darren England
Last Time: West Ham 1 - 1 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Mina, Godfrey, Keane, Digne, Allan, Doucouré, Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin

 

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Andy Crooks
1 Posted 27/12/2020 at 18:27:39
Well done, the fat man!
David Cooper
2 Posted 07/05/2021 at 15:40:10
Very glad to hear Carlo say that Doucoure is back in contention to play on Sunday. Hard to say if he will play him from the start but if he thinks that this is a must win game, he might play him. When looking back at this season we have lost more games when Doucoure is missing than any other player which must tell us something.
Neil Lawson
3 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:09:09
I hope he really is fit and not rushed back too soon. Potentially it is a real boost. Drop the part timers and under performers and play 11 who really want to win.
Tony Everan
4 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:12:30
We've missed him, I hope he is fit enough to play from the start. We'll need him in this match as he gives more energy and presence to our midfield and we're not as easily overrun. I am expecting a strong response on Sunday after the poor show last week. I think Carlo will have read a few of them the riot act.
Frank Crewe
5 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:15:36
Glad to hear it. We have really missed him.
On the downside it sooks like Rodriguez is turning into another Delph. Massive wages but barely plays. I would not be giving him any extension to his current contract. Just too risky.
David Pearl
6 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:16:36
I hope that means we can go away from the diamond midfield and play 2 centrally with richy, sig and king behind dcl. And bring back one of Mina/Keane for Holgate. Its the hope that kills us
Bobby Mallon
7 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:33:13
Rodriguez, injured again that’s a surprise. I think it’s all in his head.
Dale Self
8 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:33:53
So much space vanished without him. Hopefully he is good for 60 and Carlo uses him from the start. Maybe the old Everton engine starts up again here.
Winston Williamson
9 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:34:29
James really is quality. Capable of the sublime. Probably the best technician we’ve seen in the premier league era. His speed of thought is unbelievable at times.

When he fucking plays!

He’s got to be up there with the most unreliable of players. His playing level only adds to the infuriating level of frustration!

Is he worth having in the squad? Yes and no I suppose...if you have a spare 80k a week knocking about that you don’t mind paying on the off-chance he decides he’s fit enough to play.

Great to have Doucoure back. His energy and strength has been sorely missed

Martin Berry
10 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:40:21
Welcome by to The Duke, you only realize how much you miss him when he is not there.
John Raftery
11 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:45:11
For James it’s not in his head. It’s in his leg. He played four games in nineteen days before succumbing to a recurring injury. Play him no more than once a week and there is a chance you might get 25-30 full games a season from him.
Kim Vivian
12 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:53:30
What the fuck is actually wrong with James? I'm not even sure what occurred during the "warm up" last week. Love the guy but he's really starting to piss me off now.
Kieran Kinsella
13 Posted 07/05/2021 at 16:54:03
Carlo said he couldn’t talk about James because of the privacy of the medical situation
Dale Self
14 Posted 07/05/2021 at 17:12:33
Apparently he's pissed Carlo off as well. That was a less than supportive report on James' condition. I'm converting to loving the way James plays football until this shakes out.
Kim Vivian
15 Posted 07/05/2021 at 17:24:25
Can we still be blame VVD? Seems reasonable.
Rob Birks
16 Posted 07/05/2021 at 17:59:23
James a talented, mercurial, wonderful footballer and an even bigger . crock made of paper!
Paul Birmingham
17 Posted 07/05/2021 at 18:04:17
Good news the Duke is available, so hopefully he is fit to start.

This is the proverbial must win, how many times this year has this been said, but this game is the one, and to build a head of steam for the run in, all of which are winnable, bar City, as Pep will be building up the Champions League Final.

Nows the time Everton, please!

Robert Tressell
18 Posted 07/05/2021 at 18:21:57
Sadly Rodriguez might play no more than 15 to 20 more games for us before his contract ends at the end of next season. Brilliant player but is both a solution and a problem even when he's on the pitch. Good news that Doucoure is back. A much more intelligent, disciplined footballer than I initially gave him credit for.
Bill Rodgers
19 Posted 07/05/2021 at 18:30:22
The Everton disease is a lack of commitment and team intensity. When you have players who drop out all too often, those who look for an injury during a tough or unrewarding game - then you have the basic ingredients for a poorly motivated and diinterested squad. The other ingredient that we have is a complete lack of peer group pressure. When Davies or Holgate give the ball away where is the bollocking that will make them think twice next time? There is literally nobody on teh pitch who cares enough to make the scene. These elements add up and eventually become the vapid outfit who underperform as a matter of course. It is not an accident - it is a failure of the entire coaching regime.
Joe McMahon
20 Posted 07/05/2021 at 18:51:45
For what it's worth he is my player of the season. Should have been James, but his injury record is shocking. We just ain't seen enough if him, which is a real shame. But I suppose that's why he's at Everton.
Brian Murray
21 Posted 07/05/2021 at 19:15:29
Just seen James by the brick skipping to the hole in the wall he looked ok to me !
Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 07/05/2021 at 19:18:03
Joe

I know he was poor last week, but my player of the season would be Godfrey. Honorable mentions for Duke and DCL, James with some memorable moments, that's about it.

John Pickles
23 Posted 07/05/2021 at 19:24:48
Yes but James achieves more in the games he plays than most of the others do if they play every game. We're upset because we miss him, we don't care about the injury records of half the others because they offer so little.
Pat Kelly
24 Posted 07/05/2021 at 19:26:29
Hopefully we can offload James in the Summer and find someone who can hack it in the Premiership. We can't afford the luxury of cameo exhibition appearances.
Tony Everan
25 Posted 07/05/2021 at 19:27:45
Godfrey would be mine too, he’s committed, wears his heart on his sleeve and never gives less than 100%. You get the impression that the mere thought of anything less than that doesn’t even enter his head. He’s young enough to get better technically too. Would be a fully deserved player of the season.

Pat , I am not hoping we can offload him because he is the one player who has top four blood in his veins and a top four head on his shoulders. But as you say , if only the rest of his body came up to scratch !

If he goes it will like losing a stunning girlfriend who only wanted to see you sporadically . To be replaced by the steady , reliable, girl next door .

Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:04:52
Dale (14), I think James pissed Carlo off when he asked to be subbed v Fulham at home, going by Carlo’s response after the game, the shrugs of his highbrows showed what he thought of him.
Paul Birmingham
27 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:05:19
Tony, great analogy of James.

He’s the best passer and finisher, percentage wise, Everton has had for as long as I can remember, the ecstacy and the agony.

It’s the total frustration and makes building a reliable first 11 very difficult, but let’s hope the West Ham, the squad are up for it and get the win, which is needed.

Thomas Richards
28 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:07:35
He hasnt chosen to be injured.
Give him a break lads.
By far the best footballer in our squad.
Patience please. The wait will be worth it if he gets a run of games
Rob Halligan
29 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:16:15
Jonny Evans injured in the warm up before the leicester v Newcastle game tonight. No doubt Leicester fans are really giving Evans down the banks!!
Dale Self
30 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:17:29
Fair enough, I was kind of bailing on him. I still love him, just more than a little concerned about the locker room at this point. One good performance could turn that around.
Eddie Dunn
31 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:26:40
Bill @19. spot-on.
Gaute Lie
32 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:30:21
Thumbs up!! Maybe our most important player.
Andy Crooks
33 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:39:07
Don't know where post #1 came from.
Matt Byrne
34 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:47:15
I'm with Thomas on this one. James is a fantastic talent and would of course by playing elite European level if always fully fit. I think he has shown good commitment and work rate in recent games as well as his sublime ability. Maybe if we had decent fitness coaches he could be stronger and have a better runs of games? Years ago Sheedy wasn't the strongest or fastest but he would create or score most weeks so Howard put a brilliant athlete in Van den Hauwe behind him and Bracewell inside him to do some of his off ball work knowing we would be rewarded by his talents. Maybe a similar scenario for James going forward.
Matt Byrne
35 Posted 07/05/2021 at 20:53:53
Be glad to see Doucouré potentially back too. Have been very impressed. Great to see someone in that midfield who can get round the pitch and run and actually earn their money!
Dale Self
36 Posted 07/05/2021 at 21:28:40
After listening to the press conference I want to retract my "pissed Carlo off" remark. It was a Colombian journalist that pissed Carlo off by not accepting his first two offerings on the James injury. The answers on James from previous questions were reasonable and standard stuff. Carlo does look a bit weathered but maybe that's the look that will get some players attention. Heal up James, Dammit!
Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 07/05/2021 at 21:36:40
Thomas (28) “ The wait will be worth it if he gets a run of games” Thomas there will be four games left, if he shows up. Maybe next season then, and there is a good chance he won’t be here by then.
Nick Swallow
38 Posted 07/05/2021 at 23:35:20
Pickford
Coleman Godfrey Mina Digne
King Doucouré Allan Nkounkou
Calvert-Lewin Ritcharlison

4-4-2 with pace on the wings.


Nicolas Piñon
39 Posted 07/05/2021 at 23:48:21
Great to have Doucouré back.
Who is James Rodriguez? I believe we should let him go this summer and/or bring a seriously fit and class player to replace him. His time playing record is really annoying for so much expectation.

If Ancelotti doesn't do nothing about it in the summer, apart from his usual talking that fixes nothing, then we'll all know our destiny for next season. That really pisses me off.

Pickford
Godfrey Keane Mina Digne
Doucoure Allan Delph Richarlison
Sigurdsson
Calvert-Lewin

Dale Self
40 Posted 07/05/2021 at 00:00:25
Hey another thing about that presser, congratulations to Colin Evans who is supporter of the year. I would only note that I haven't seen him posting here, no disrespect there Colin but come on!
Frank Wade
41 Posted 08/05/2021 at 00:21:26
Nicolas #39,

James Rodriguez is a super skilled professional footballer. Most skilled player in our squad and a hero in his home country. Players do not chose to be injured. He tweaked a calf muscle in the warm-up. Anyone who actually played football would know this can happen.

And Nicolas, hilarious to read you giving it to James and you propose Delph in the team and the double negative 'if Ancelotti doesn't do nothing'... lol!

Danny Broderick
42 Posted 08/05/2021 at 00:42:38
Doucouré can't come back quick enough. He's been a cracking signing, he gives us much-needed pace and power in midfield. We are just not the same without him, he covers every blade of grass.

As for Rodriguez, he's possibly the best player I've seen in Blue since the 80s. There's only really Kanchelskis and Arteta to rival him off the top of my head. In 20 PL starts he's scored 6 goals and made 4 assists. Those stats aren't bad. But he simply makes us tick when he plays.

He gets on the ball, he's always got time on the ball, and his passing range is extraordinary. We should enjoy him while we have him, because talents like him don't come along very often. If we can get a decent right-winger next year, we can play Rodriguez at Number 10 and manage his game time better.

Mike Oates
43 Posted 08/05/2021 at 01:35:15
James's record over the last 3-4 years with Real Madrid and Bayern Munich has been one of only playing in about 50% games at best, with long periods out due to a calf problem. He in fact missed almost 2 consecutive months with Bayern.

An ex-Real physio said recently, it stems back to a serious calf tear years ago, prior to him coming to Europe, which wasn't treated well enough and left weakened muscle tissue, which can't stand excessive use. Basically, in 4 games, out 4 games.

I suspect the Premier League pace, physicality, and extreme weather conditions are contributing to his problem, which unfortunately are here to stay. The calf hasn't got the strength to support a programme of 40-odd games a season.

Nicolas Piñon
44 Posted 08/05/2021 at 01:44:29
Frank #41,

Seems you can't see the real situation.

Rodriguez could probably be our most skilled player but, if he has played half our Premier League games, it's too many. That speaks for itself.

Of course, when he has played, he is very important; I love seeing him on the ball, but just a tweak on the warm-up?! You serious?! If that were the case, why has he played just half the Premier League games this season? Nothing tells me the records getting over.

So yes, Ancelotti must find a solution somehow (supposing the board will help him invest of course) that meaning bringing other players on other positions probably. If not, Everton will be the biggest loser.

I don't really care much if our players are heroes in their countries, all I want is Everton to win. And to win, we need reliable football players. And the stats don't show this season that with regard to James. He had brilliant appearances but far too little playing time for what a supposed star should give a team, in my opinion. We lack players up-front, I think, and that probably doesn't help him, but his physical deficit is evident.

On another subject, I've said repeatedly we need to ship off Delph ASAP, just referred to Sunday's game on him.

Take your sunglasses off, mate.

NSNO.

PD: thanks Mike


Kieran Kinsella
45 Posted 08/05/2021 at 03:29:01
It should be a good game. I think Doucouré and Allan versus Rice and Soucek will be a good battle. I'd play Mina as West Ham are dangerous on set-pieces.

I read a few posters saying they wouldn't mind losing as they'd rather West Ham get Champions League than the usual suspects. I disagree as I read similar remarks about Chelsea in the mid 90s, and Leicester more recently.

I don't have any Ill will to West Ham, but I'm an Everton fan so I couldn't really care less who finishes above us, I just hope to finish above as many as possible.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 08/05/2021 at 03:42:09
Thomas,

James is a wonderful player. But part of me would love Archie Knox to go at him when he whines about his “little injuries” and give him The Monty Python Arthur Pewty “Are you a man or a mouse?” treatment. He seems like a Daniel Sturridge type who will only play if he's 100 percent.

Do I regret signing him? No. But I do wish he had a bit more courage. The much-maligned Michael Keane played through a very nasty injury two years ago.

I feel James could be much more than he is if he had more guts. Perversely, if he had, maybe he wouldn't be here, but so be it. On a pure talent level, it seems he has done less than he could have because he's a bit of a cry-baby.

Si Cooper
47 Posted 08/05/2021 at 04:06:55
Kieran, I feel, from experience, that some injuries are easier to play through and muscle pulls are not of that type. You can mask some pain with a couple of bog-standard painkillers and the adrenalin will kick in and get you through. Only thing you risk is extending the healing time (perhaps putting yourself in line for some corrective surgery when time allows).

Muscle pulls, strains and ligament injuries don't allow you to function and you can't mask them with a couple of Ibuprofen.

To me, it's a bit harsh to say the lad lacks courage, he's a cry baby, unless we know we are comparing like with like. I think we just have to accept that he has long-term fragility due to previous injury history and hope the club can get as much game time out of him as possible.

Have to say I don't know what Sturridge's injuries tended to be.

Derek Knox
48 Posted 08/05/2021 at 04:37:12
Kieran @46,

Aha, maybe a part in the 'Wizard of Oz' in a Christmas Panto would sort him out, where he could play two parts. No doubt he would emerge from that stint with Courage and Heart in abundance.

In many ways, I am looking forward to the game to see if we can make a last-ditch attempt at retaining hopes of a European spot but, as David @6 said, "iI's the hope that kills us".

The other side of me can't wait to see the end to this disjointed season: Covid, no fans, flattery to deceive, hopes shattered almost weekly, 'relegation fodder' home form – to name just a few reasons.

What ever happened to Fortress Goodison? The walls have been well and truly breached by handbag-swinging marauders and powder-puff attacks and we have succumbed to it on too many occasions.

Where is the pride and passion of our players, that steely determination to keep it Fortress Goodison? I can't see how the lack of fans can be totally the reason, but admittedly it can often work as the '12th man' but has been the opposite this season – like we have lost two men!

Brian Murray
49 Posted 08/05/2021 at 05:20:16
Derek, for god's sake, don't suggest panto. There's a teary individual who excels at that, albeit not much else... All the clappers c'mon. "Oh no, he doesn't..."
Brian Murray
50 Posted 08/05/2021 at 05:27:44
Whatever the outcome of James's future here, we know we can't include him in any way as part of the new season. If he's fit, great... but strictly as a bonus – nothing more – now and again. As for tomorrow, it's a toss of a coin, the outcome.

If the Hammers don't come near us and don't ruffle Gomes and his hair, and Sigurdsson doesn't have to move much, then we will run riot. Let's hope it's Davies and Allan at least before them two...

Darryl Ritchie
51 Posted 08/05/2021 at 06:23:31
Of course we're going to win this one... it's an away game! We'll win 1-0 on an own goal, with 30% possession and 0 shots on target. Pickford will stop 5 sure goals to preserve the victory.

But seriously, if we don't show some skill, we are going to get beat by an in-form side, with something to actually play for. The desire to excel is there, what we lack is confidence.

If the squad play like we, and Ancelotti, know they can, we could possibly win, but 0-0 will be a good outcome.

Ajay Gopal
52 Posted 08/05/2021 at 06:57:39
I hope Doucouré is not being patched up and rushed back. When fully fit, he is a fantastic player to have in the engine room. I suspect James is still nursing that testicular injury he suffered against Liverpool. That is why Carlo gave an uncharacteristically ‘testy' reply.

My team for West Ham (4-3-3):

Pickford
Godfrey Keane Mina Digne
Davies Allan Doucouré
Richarlison Calvert-Lewin Sigurdsson

This is a ‘do-or-die' encounter –nothing less than a win will be enough.

Danny O’Neill
53 Posted 08/05/2021 at 07:23:29
This is a big one. This, I would say, makes or breaks us in terms of European football.

They have in Antonio a player who, when he clicks, can be unplayable, but he's inconsistent.

Let's hope the away Everton show up!

David Hayes
54 Posted 08/05/2021 at 07:33:20
I have lost count of the "must-win games" that we have had. Every game is a must-win game.

Having watched the Brighton & Leeds game prior to ours against Villa, the contrast was vast. Brighton and Leeds – intense non-stop energy, urgency, accurate passing, one-touch football. Closing down instantly to win the ball back as a team. High press, and high fitness levels from every player. A massive desire to win by sheer hard work. This level of intensity is standard for both these teams.

Not once this season have I seen anything like this from Everton in any game; our desire is non-existent and our fitness and energy levels are very low. Everton play at walking pace, stroking the ball around in random patterns. Pass accuracy is extremely low and balls are mainly played to static or jogging-pace teammates. We only control areas we are allowed to and don't contest or fight to regain the ball.

The only reason I can see that we have won games is that the opposition's missed chances have allowed us to. Compare any of the Top 6 to us and we are nowhere near that level. Something massive has to change at this club in regards to fitness and intensity training.

John Keating
55 Posted 08/05/2021 at 07:43:14
Two teams. One full of confidence and commitment, playing good football; the other... Everton.

On paper, there's only one winner but, as we've seen so many times this season, anything can happen. It might be time for Ancelotti not only to tell us he's frustrated but to actually show us. Drop Holgate, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Iwobi and Richarlison:

Pickford
Keane, Mina, Godfrey
Coleman, Allan, Davies, Doucoure, Digne
Calvert-Lewin, King

Mike Kehoe
56 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:01:22
As noted elsewhere, James is an incredible talent with the ability to routinely astonish with sublime skills and vision, but his injury record is the weakness. Does anyone think he would be at Everton if he was a 40-game-a-season player? Does anyone think Carlo didn't know about his injury history and what he could expect?

I love him and don't want him going anywhere next season. As with every season for the last decade, there is a lot of shite players to move on, we all have a list, but I wouldn't have James in the bracket of Iwobi or Bernard.

Danny O’Neill
57 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:08:46
The importance of having depth of squad Mike Kehoe, which we don't.

Manchester City didn't abandon Aguero because he's a bit of a crock and you only get half a season out of him.

You have alternatives but players like James fit into a squad, rather than relying on them to be part of a first 11.

Neil Lawson
58 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:11:00
Tony (25). The steady reliable girl next door can be just as stunning after a few pints of Stella, and guaranteed to put in a top performance when called upon.
Brian Murray
59 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:16:56
Neil 58, plus she won’t just pout n act like her majesty saying can’t get a round in don't carry money. Just had a leaflet through my door how to enjoy sex at 60 which is really handy because I only live at number 72
Danny O’Neill
60 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:19:12
I went away for 5 minutes. Where has this gone? Apart from some local engagement between number 60 & 72?
Tony Everan
61 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:24:56
True, Mike @56, James contributes more in his sporadic appearances than both of those players. So I still want to keep him and try to get him fit. It is rare for us to have the opportunity of having such a world class gifted player on the field.

That said, If he does go I won't shed too many tears, as long as we get a worthy replacement (who can stand the rigours of the Premier League). Unfortunately, there's no guarantees.

On to West Ham, with Doucoure and Allan back in the central positions we are a different team. Our back four will be altered positively with Keane and Mina back in. I'd like to see Tom Davies start in a midfield three, and King to be given a run on the right side up front.

Pickford
Godfrey Keane Mina Digne
Davies
Doucouré Allan
King Calvert-Lewin Richarlison.

Keep the slow and sideways boys on the subs bench and see what happens.

Brian Murray
62 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:25:54
Okay, Danny, back to delusion and slim to no hop... slim's just left town. Are we really 3 players away from taking on the world, by the way? Plus are we totally misreading Carlo's tactics against mediocrity and subs and he really knows his stuff. Just say yes and I'll happy clap with the rest of 'em! Coyb!
Ian Hollingworth
63 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:29:50
I want James to stay for selfish reasons as I want to be able to watch him live at Goodison as we simply have not had a player of that quality for many a year.

Yes, his injuries are frustrating but seeing him at Goodison has got to be better than watching Sigurdsson and Gomes stinking the place out.

Danny Baily
64 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:30:02
It's a big step in the right direction that we still have something to play for. Our seasons are usually done and dusted by the first weekend in January.

And we won at Anfield. Good season on the whole. Let's hope we can keep the European hopes alive this weekend and take it right to the wire.

Danny O’Neill
65 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:31:23
A long way from that Brian.

4 or 5 in the next phase alone, Then the same again in my opinion. I know that's asking a lot, but that's how bad this disjointed squad got and was never going to be fixed quickly.

Derek Knox
66 Posted 08/05/2021 at 08:58:50
Brian @ 59, 😂 Any chance of sending some of them leaflets my way? Of course leaving 72 out, for obvious reasons !
Shaun Laycock
67 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:11:48
3512
Pickford
Coleman
Digne
Keane
Godfrey
Mina/Holgate
Allan
Doucoure/Davis
Siggy
DCL
Richy

Colin Glassar
68 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:18:37
I’m going for a 1-2 away win for Everton.

We are better (for some reason) away from home this season and a couple of players eg Gomes, Richarlison, Iwobi, Keane, Mina, Iwobi, Holgate etc... know they are playing to secure another season at the ‘Goodison Home for the Useless and Infirm’.

Clive Rogers
69 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:24:14
I would pick Davies for this one. He has his faults and lacks a bit of pace, but puts himself about and gets tackles in. He has been good in his last few appearances.
Dave Abrahams
70 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:31:26
David (54), good post, sums Everton up for me to a “T” during the last few seasons, Everton are not up to that sort of effort, I doubt if they have played with any intensity in more then two or three games, with each half different in nearly every game, except when they have been lifeless in both half’s.

Regarding teams who do play all out, full of effort for ninety minutes, unless they have a good strong squad, they can’t keep it up season after season, as Wilder found out at Sheffield Unt, he confessed early this season that he couldn’t have asked for more from his players over the last three seasons, getting promotion then getting up to finish in the top eight last season, but they were absolutely drained after a few games this season and now they are relegated, with Wilder sacked, his reward for giving the club a great few seasons, so keep your eye on Leeds and Brighton next season. Everton Strollers should be okay, they have more than conserved their energy, wouldn’t dream of wasting too much of it.

Jason Li
71 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:32:12
James is our closest equivalent to Rocket Ronnie in snooker or Tiger in golf. He's the only one who could have made that control and pass for Richie with 4 players closing in at Anfield. If 1 player closes in on Andre or Gilfy in our own half the ball goes backwards automatically. Doucoure winning the ball and James with the pass destroyed them at Anfield in 2 seconds to put Richie through and get our first win in an age.

Glad The Duke is back, our closest thing to the Keane and Viera when they used to eat up the midfield space and owned the middle third.

Will definitely be a grinder this game, as James is out and depends on if Coleman got the legs to play full thrust all game and if Iwobi dares go past is man three times in 90 minutes, as not got a consistent cross or a pass on him - yet. And no left winger too. But, Carlo has still got us in amongst the Sky 6 after one summer transfer window so plenty to play for.

Duncan McDine
72 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:34:12
This is a “MUST WIN” game if we have serious ambitions about fucking over next season by qualifying for the Europa Conference League.
Gary Willock
73 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:37:20
Take advantage of James being out and play a proper 4-3-3 Carlo.

Pickford
Coleman Mina Godfrey Digne
Doucoure Davies Allan
Richie DCL King

Dave Abrahams
74 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:47:16
Jason (71), James is definitely the equivalent of Tiger Woods at the present time!!
Martin Berry
75 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:54:43
This is going to be so interesting as you can be assured that W Ham will be fit and well organised, will they be better than us in those departments ? well that will see how the Managers fare.
You can be assured Moyes will want to put one over on us.
Unless we have three ball winners in the midfield then I can see us being over run.
Over to you Carlo, good luck.
David Hayes
76 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:56:51
Dave# 70 I see your point about Sheff Utd ect. They couldn't score at all not matter how many chances they created that's why they lost repeatedly.Total breakneck intensity can not be maintained, continuosly each and every game, what is vital is the ability to step up the gears and also control the game when required, this involves being easily capable of bursts and sustained intensity and energy along side calm effective control, for the most part. We are playing out of sync with what is needed at what stage. Slow starts to games never work. Not contesting in the midfield never works, we end up playing catch-up most of the time, and only get going when a forced to so. When it comes to a battle in the last 15,to 20 mins we are always on the back foot and try and defend our way to the final whistle, more energy is needed to finish teams off.and while staying strong at the back. How many times can you successfully defend a one goal lead from the first half.
Mike Kehoe
77 Posted 08/05/2021 at 10:58:44
Shaun at 67 playing with 12 is just crazy enough to work.
Brian Harrison
78 Posted 08/05/2021 at 11:01:45
I don't think we can start Holgate tomorrow as Antonio will have a field day, I also don't want to see Iwobi in the starting line up, cant do any worse than play King wide right. As we come to the close of a season were we have won at Anfield, Spurs and Arsenal and have won 10 games away from home, how disappointing to still be a long way short of a Champions league spot. Leicester and West Ham yes West Ham are competing for a Champions league place, and we have thrown away a great chance to break into the top 4 and I think next season will be a lot harder and with our form of late if repeated next season we may struggle to stay in the top half. Tomorrow will be more about if Carlo after his comments after the Villa game can get a reaction from this group, if not I do wonder were we go. As we cant keep changing managers and it means we will be starting next season with the same nucleus of the squad that has failed to rise to the challenge this year, so how can we believe they will be any better next season.
Mark Murphy
79 Posted 08/05/2021 at 11:26:42
Neil @ 58. Where do you live mate and can you introduce me to your neighbour please??
Pickford
Keane Mina Godfrey
Seamus Allan Doucoure Davies Digne
Siggy
DCL.
Christopher Timmins
80 Posted 08/05/2021 at 11:30:45
Lyndon, sorry, but a draw tomorrow would be a disaster as regards European qualification, it's win or burst time.

I hope that the Duke is in good shape and can make a difference if selected. As for the line up I will go with Gary # 73 above but I can't remember the last time we had a starting 11 that did not include Siggy and or Gomes. A much improved performance is needed to take anything from the game but here's hoping.

The Premier League certainly did their bit for our neighbours this week by slotting the rearranged Man U game in for next Thursday, two days after the Leicester game. Hopefully, Man U will pick a weakened team on Tuesday against Leicester and the first eleven on Thursday.

Clive Rogers
81 Posted 08/05/2021 at 12:03:21
No Gomes, Holgate or Iwobi pleas Carlo. Can’t understand people picking King, he doesn’t look up to it.
Danny O’Neill
82 Posted 08/05/2021 at 12:10:18
I do like the idea of 3 at the back some have suggested, especially as Coleman and Digne would naturally fall back in when we lose possession so it would give us a fluid and flexible formation.

But, that would mean playing Keane or Holgate, so I'd rather not. Back 4 with Mina and Godfrey in the centre for me.

John Hammond
83 Posted 08/05/2021 at 12:27:29
Disappointing that James is injured again but his injury record hasn't been THAT bad and comparisons to Delph are ridiculous seeing that he's played in 2 thirds of our games (22). Can't believe some of the stick he's getting on here. He's a world class player of sublime skill and creativity. He's made a goal contribution in almost 50% of the games he's played in (6 goals and 4 assists). He's barely got into the mid-20's for appearances in his whole career so to get to 22 in this crazy compressed season is pretty good!
Neil Lawson
84 Posted 08/05/2021 at 13:14:58
Mark, I am in Devon, not far from Exeter, and she is itching to meet you too, literally itching. Well worth the queues on the M5 !
Paul Birmingham
85 Posted 08/05/2021 at 14:14:04
This game is It, for this seasons efforts for Europe, are to ebb into the last few games.

No excuses and it’s well over time for Everton to this game and go for it.

Gonna check the odds...

Matthew Williams
86 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:01:24
I like your team Nick #38,but sadly there's more chance of beating Citeh 6-0 in the final game of the season than our current Gaffer selecting it!.
Neil Lawson
87 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:10:45
Paper talk now about Arnautovich. Every washed up/failed/primadonna being linked.
Those of you who say that the Summer business will inform just where we are going are absolutely correct. Players such as him, even on a good day, are not the answer to our malaise.
Tomorrow's selection and performance may also tell us much. We shall see. Not exactly holding my breath.
Matthew Williams
88 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:35:39
Looking at the positives...

We're away from home.
The Duke is back.
Our record at the Hammers ain't too shabby.
Spuds lost.

Don't you dare fuck this one up Blue Boys!.

Colin Glassar
89 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:45:46
Neil, between a money-grabbing, goal scoring shithouse like Arnautovic and a useless waste of space like Iwobi, I’d stick with Iwobi any day of the week.

All those mercenaries who went to play in China eg Hulk, Arnaoutovic, Witsel, Tevez etc... should’ve been banned for life from Uefa comps

Thomas Richards
90 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:50:14
Neil, Colin.

There is a reason why the word "gossip" is used in these columns.

Geoff Williams
91 Posted 08/05/2021 at 15:52:19
If a player is over 30 and injury prone or over 30 and looking for a fat pay out then he fits Ancelotti's criteria for a signing. Welcome to Everton!
Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 08/05/2021 at 16:12:05
Colin

Bit harsh on poor old Tiyas Browning and Li Tie. But I’m pretty sure Arnautovic’s agent releaks the supposed interest from Everton from years ago every time he wants to boost his bank account.

Billy Roberts
93 Posted 08/05/2021 at 16:41:52
Geoff@91
Except all Ancelottis signings so far were under 30, ( Allan has since turned 30) unless you are including the ancient Goalkeeper Robin Olsen (31 ) on loan.
Martin Mason
94 Posted 08/05/2021 at 16:47:44
I've labelled the last two games as impossible for us to win. If Doucoure plays then I'd say we're about evens for tomorrow.
Danny O’Neill
95 Posted 08/05/2021 at 16:52:17
I don't like the age argument and thinking players are done as they approach or reach 30. It brings good balance and experience to the squad.

I put this somewhere else, but Manchester City:

Walker - 30
Gundogan - 30
Aguero - 32
De Bruyne - 29 (so 30 next season and never blessed with pace, just an incredible footballing brain)
Mahrez - 30

Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 08/05/2021 at 17:01:15
I think the secret of having a few older players is in having a bigger squad. That’s been the problem at Everton, because our better players are expected to play every week and with football being so explosive and physical nowadays, then sometimes it’s maybe better not to have the players playing every week?
Danny O’Neill
97 Posted 08/05/2021 at 17:07:34
Exactly. The challenge from the start. A good first 11 - 14 but once you scratch the surface, a squad that lacks depth.

Of course you can't rely on James Rodriguez to play every match just as Manchester City haven't relied on Aguero for the last several seasons.

But if the squad depth is sufficient then you have players of that quality that can come in as required and when available. When not, you have alternatives. Right now, we are back to the squad and players of the previous seasons that failed us.

Martin Mason
98 Posted 08/05/2021 at 17:46:47
Danny@95, that is their current age, they were far younger when they came to City. It's a completely different to buying a player at 30. Don't look just at City neither, for me Chelsea were the team of the week as they strolled it against Real and they fielded a very young team and that is the way that all sides who hope to get to that level will have to go now. Remember too that Aguera is being let go. Guardiola knows that his squad is too old now. The game is changing dramatically again and old players at top EPL clubs will be a thing of the past, they don't have the required dynamism or intensity.
Martin Mason
99 Posted 08/05/2021 at 17:56:39
Further to my post@98, if we do badly in the run in we may be faced with some really major problems. Firstly the whole squad may just be too weak and old to become a top side in the EPL and certainly not in Europe. If so then the remedial work will be major and long term. If this is so then it may well be that Carlo, great manager that he is, is not the man to do it. He is superb at managing high value players but what we see now may be that he isn't what is needed now which is a ruthless cull and buying players of a different model to what we are buying. Carlo may be the man to fight the last war but not this one. I may be completely wrong but we haven't played like anything more than a position 10 survival team with no real positive drive. Realisation of this possibility may influence Moshiri eventually and I mean in a way that pushes him into reducing his money input.
Kim Vivian
100 Posted 08/05/2021 at 18:20:56
Haha - that must be the best penalty fail for some time by Aguero.
Danny O’Neill
101 Posted 08/05/2021 at 19:12:51
I get what you're saying Martin. I'm just of the opinion that I'm not averse to investing in experience and quality for a bit of here and now.
Lev Vellene
102 Posted 08/05/2021 at 19:37:02
So, away to a good team. I'd usually expect something from that, this season.

But this is a game that really counts for something, so I won't be surprised if our slackers totally bottles it! As usual...

I can only hope CA and Brands have made it clear by now, that an injection of youngsters will be enough to keep us off the drop next season, since the current squad flatters to deceive by keeping us half-way up there, but never further!

Derek Taylor
103 Posted 08/05/2021 at 20:06:36
Would a win for West Ham see David Moyes become the new favourite to replace Carlo as Everton chief ?

It seems clear that many Evertonians have seen enough of the Italian and regard him as a man of the past whereas Moyes has served his penance for walking out and would be feted as the next man at the helm.

Discuss.

Barry Rathbone
104 Posted 08/05/2021 at 20:27:07
Derek 103

The "walking out" was not really an issue an orchestrated "well done Davey enjoy your time at somewhere ambitious" politely applauded at GP bore witness to that. His comments and pursuit of Baines and Fellaini may have surprised a few but others who had his measure expected nothing less.

The real issue was he was recognised as a dour loser living off every excuse known to man and one decent season at WHU in this oddest of seasons does not obliterate Utd, Sociedad, Sunderland and WHU first time round failures.

Be civil war if he was re-appointed

Martin Mason
105 Posted 08/05/2021 at 20:30:50
A fact. Liverpool without their hostile crowd to influence the decisions of the ref are nothing. Football is corrupt because of weak refs.
Clive Rogers
106 Posted 08/05/2021 at 20:54:06
The only thing worse than Moyes coming back would be another 20 years of Kenwright.
Derek Taylor
107 Posted 08/05/2021 at 21:19:19
It all seems a bit petty to me. Have you never left one employer for another - and pinched half the staff ? I know I have !

All I know is that Moyes was a better manager of Everton than most before him and ALL that came afterwards, including the present incumbent. Only Catterick and Howard1 were in the same street.

Roger Helm
108 Posted 08/05/2021 at 21:44:57
Agree Derek Moyse made us the best of the rest on a very limited budget and if the club could have afforded a Lukaku- class goal scorer we would have been Champions League. Instead we had to sell the best English forward of his generation ( perhaps the English GOAT? - discuss).

But talk of him returning here is well off the mark. Comebacks in sport never work.

Brian Murray
109 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:02:45
We have moved on from Moyes and his inferiority complex at the big grounds and his cozy 11 year stint here. Now we have a bold manager who knows how and when to make a sub and goes for the jugular even when a goal up. Stop sniggering at the back. Gimme Carlo any day. I’m sure we are on the March really.
Robert Tressell
110 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:08:57
Having now recovered from PTSD associated with his stint at Man Utd, Moyes is now doing what Moyes does again. Which is broadly better than we've managed since he left. However, what Moyes does is elevate a side and at the same time create a glass ceiling for that side. Moyes is an excellent manager of limited players. Ancelotti is an excellent manager of excellent players. Provided he can get the players in there's no glass ceiling. We can win cups and go places. We just need better players.
Colin Glassar
111 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:10:27
Will the Moyes cult followers please seek help and move on with their lives? 11 years and sod all is his legacy before he snuck off to Manchester like a thief in the night.

Brent Stephens
112 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:14:56
Robert #110 "Moyes is an excellent manager of limited players. Ancelotti is an excellent manager of excellent players. Provided he can get the players in there's no glass ceiling. We can win cups and go places. We just need better players."

That is a superb summary for me. Tells us all we need to know about Moyes, about Ancelotti, about our very possible future. In the space of a few lines.

Neil Copeland
113 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:20:04
Brent, beat me to it. A great summary indeed.
Brent Stephens
114 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:27:23
All we need now, Robert (#110) is the money. And with a name like Tressell, you probably know about "the great money trick"!
Paul Hewitt
115 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:31:41
Colin@111. We've really kicked on since Moyes left. How many trophies have we won?
Colin Glassar
116 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:33:36
The same as we did after 11 years with the Moyesiah, Paul. ZERO!!
Joe McMahon
117 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:33:59
Colin, fully agree. He's past, and I don't understand the adoration. The future is what's important, and of course he never won at Anfield once.

My brother in law is a Mackem and mention Moyes name and he froths at the mouth.

We have to look to the future, not the 60s, 80s or David (won nothing) Moyes. No wonder we are seen a little Everton living in the past.

Rant over 🤐

Paul Hewitt
118 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:46:24
Colin @116. I agree. But Moyes never had the money the other managers since he left have had. Moyes wasn't perfect. But he's was miles better than any manager we have had since.
Barry Hesketh
119 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:47:48
If David Moyes is the answer then the issues at Goodison must be far worse than I thought, and I think we have lots of problems. It's EIGHT years since he left for Old Trafford – if Everton wants to reduce the capacity at Bramley-Moore Dock to 40,000 then fine because that's all we'll need if we went back in for Dour Davey.

His current team might smash Everton tomorrow, they may qualify for Europe ahead of Everton even if we win tomorrow, but sorry, the ship has sailed for David Moyes with Everton. As if there weren't enough reasons to question whether I should continue to pay to attend matches at Goodison, the return of the Ginger One would cement it for me.

Mike Keating
120 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:53:54
Kim @ 100 - agree and hope that’s the end of any interest in the man at EFC.
Si Cooper
121 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:55:36
‘... and pinched half the staff? I know I have!'

Reads like sexual harassment, that, Derek! 😉

No, I've never done that but not really a ‘thing' in manufacturing I don't think. I know people will often follow a good boss but that's a bit different.

If it were an option for me, though, I think it would largely depend on how well my previous employer had treated me / my team. Considering how well Moyes was treated, I'd say any underhand stuff would be very selfish and disrespectful. That would bother my conscience.

Not looking forward to tomorrow's game as I think they are on the crest of a wave and we very definitely aren't. As always, it's COYB though!

Rob Halligan
122 Posted 08/05/2021 at 22:58:27
David Moyes has been in management for 23 years, and his honours won as a manager include the following....

Football League Second Division Winners 1999-2000.

And that's about it!! An outstanding record for any top manager.

Better than Carlo Ancelotti? I don't think so, but good luck in trying to persuade me that Moyes is better!!

Paul Hewitt
123 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:08:01
Before Moyes took over, we regularly finished bottom half of the table. With Moyes in charge, we were top 6. He didn't have the money Martinez, Silva and Carlo have had.

Like I've said before, he wasn't perfect. The FA Cup Semi-final against Liverpool was the time he should have gone. But Jesus he wasn't as bad as some on here say.

Trevor Peers
124 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:12:15
Moyes didn't win anything at Everton for 11 years true. But then neither has anyone else since 1995, it's quite laughable to suggest he was a waste of space. He gave us some credibility, now we have none.

Moyes still has the ability to organise an ordinary set of players, just like we have at the moment, and win a lot of games, as we will no doubt find out come Sunday evening. So his contribution to Everton was important.

There's no way we want him back of course, but we look so lost at the moment, it has becoming totally embarrassing.

Barry Hesketh
125 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:18:13
Paul @ 123,

The term Dour Davey arose from his penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory or from losing leads late on due to a safety-first attitude.

During Moyes's time at Goodison, there were only four 'super' clubs – now there are six, plus Leicester City, and many more clubs that are better run and able to give most teams a game on any given day.

Moyes was right for Everton during most of his tenure. Personally, I felt he should have left Goodison following the FA Cup Final defeat to Chelsea in 2009. But, as you say losing the 2012 FA Cup Semi-Final was far worse.

Rob Halligan
126 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:18:57
That being the case, Paul, he shouldn't have jumped ship for pastures new. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

He was probably stepping into the hardest job in football, following in the shoes of Alex Ferguson. He was given plenty of money at man Utd, but seems he didn't know how to spend it, otherwise they wouldn't have finished in their lowest ever Premier League position, and he wouldn't have been given the boot. The job was too big for him.

Had he stayed at Everton, a job I'm sure was his for life, he would have then had the money when Moshiri came on board. Though I shudder to think of the fans' reaction if he had signed a contract for life??

Andy Crooks
127 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:54:58
Martin @ 105. That is very unlike you to describe what is clearly opinion and conjecture as fact.
Soren Moyer
128 Posted 08/05/2021 at 23:54:58
MUST WIN game lol!
Trevor Powell
129 Posted 09/05/2021 at 00:24:09
As Ancelotti has been here a fraction of the time of David Moyes then I ask you to think where they both came in.

After Walter Smith just having players facing the same direction was a triumph. The Club had suffered from Johnson and Smith and anything had to be better.

Ancelotti started with a better side but the baggage/problems of the time beween Moyes and Carlo was weighing the club down.

Ancelotti has had the difficult task of fans wanting an ocean-going super-sized oil tanker turning round on a sixpence.

Either we want quick crack-papering fixes or we are patient enough to see a radical overhaul that moves EFC into a promising future into the future!

Moyes would never have handled 2019 EFC because our expectations are far higher than 2002 when just not being embarrassed every week was the norm!

Danny O’Neill
130 Posted 09/05/2021 at 00:48:00
Firstly, let's give Moyes some credit. He came in at a time when we were awful. For several years he done a great job in steadying the ship and eventually giving us consistently credible league positions.

His so called failure (in my opinion) was that once he'd done that, he couldn't take us further. He is almost scared of winning and seems to enjoy playing down ambition.

I agree with Barry; my turning point was the semi final against Liverpool. I was angry that day that we changed tactic when the game was there for the taking if we kept doing what we were doing. I also reacted badly to the Wigan FA Cup match.

He made some great signings at Everton in the context of helping us punch above our weight on a limited budget. But he failed when given the biggest platform in world football. He embarrassed himself in Spain and got relegated with Sunderland. He has gone back to West Ham after an unpopular first stint.

To judge him being a success or failure based on his current tenure at West Ham since December 2019 would be like calling Ancelotti a failure after 16 months. Time will tell, let's see where both parties are in 12 months.

Final defence of Moyes, he was good for us at the time. He done what was needed. The fact he needed to move on, more so we needed to move on, wasn't his fault, it was a fault of the club.

Derek Thomas
131 Posted 09/05/2021 at 00:54:31
Everybody has 'good' points and 'bad' points...(both of which have been listed and well discussed many times elsewhere). Moyes's 'good' points got him to 4th, 5th, 6th... also with 17th and 11th with, iirc, a negative goal difference as well. His 'bad' points stopped him and us getting higher.

Repeat the above but with Kenwright's name in there and you have 11 years of Everton.

Moyes has his mojo back and, if the Dildo Bros at West Ham don't get ideas above their station (Stratford on The Jubilee Line - sorry couldn't resist it), he will serve them well.

We all know that Boys Pen Bill would have had him back when Silva got the taxi... and probably still will have him back in a heartbeat now... but, thank God, he isn't in total charge.

Moshiri will stick with Ancelotti... how long for? Who can tell...? I mean, who foresaw the last 18 months? So who knows what will happen in the next year or so???

John Boon
132 Posted 09/05/2021 at 01:03:24
Danny (95). I would trade any five of our 20-year-olds for any five of Manchester City's 30-year-olds. Age is really dependent on lifestyle.

At one time, Rooney and Ronaldo were comparable in what they provided for Man Utd. They are about the same age but everything has changed. Rooney looks about as fit as I am, while Ronaldo continues to light up any league he plays in. Most teams would still be delighted to have Ronaldo in their starting eleven.

Minor note. I don't know why David Moyes gets so much coverage on ToffeeWebbers' posts. He did fine with us but he has long gone and he now coaches another team. Forget about him because I am sure he has forgotten about us.

Danny O’Neill
133 Posted 09/05/2021 at 01:12:25
I forgot Fernandinho as well John - 36. Pulling strings like Bob Dylan on a guitar.

There is a very interesting view on Rooney and Ronaldo. Both of equal potential and talent but one was pretty much finished at 32 because of lifestyle, the other still a dominant figure in European football. Now lets not play down Rooney's standing in football or his achievements, but had he looked after himself better, what could have been?

I don't get the obsession on age. Very few teams win it with kids alone. Even Ferguson's United needed a blend of experience to support the young players.

On Moyes; I guess its because he got such a stay at Everton. Not me, but for my brother and son's generation, he's pretty much what they grew up with and all they knew apart from my tales!

Brian Murray
134 Posted 09/05/2021 at 06:38:46
It would be like the return of Rooney. Total lack of vision and more desperation if we can't find the next Brendan Rodgers.

Anyway, Carlo might just might get to grips with this club and start making his mark meaning not the Everton way by employing sons or brothers or ex-players if they are qualified or not.

If Moyes makes the top four, I have a feeling a tear-stained telegram or carrier pidgeon congratulations will be on its way from L4. Or maybe a fixed fax machine message! Nelly still tromping about. I'll say no more.

Tim Kells
135 Posted 09/05/2021 at 07:30:13
Anyone nervous about today? I genuinely don’t know which team will turn up. Surely after the abject lifeless performance last week there will be an improvement?
Martin Mason
136 Posted 09/05/2021 at 08:04:53
Andy @127, it was a wine-induced opinion made after watching the Gloucester vs Northampton rugby match. In Rugby the refs do just that, they referee and ask VAR to check as they request. In soccer VAR checks key decisions which isn't the same and is, in my opinion, far inferior given how well it works in rugby and how badly in Soccer.

Most teams are doing badly now playing at home and one of the most likely reasons is that there are no biased fans influencing the decisions in the way that they have in places like Anfield.

Just a general comment, I'm not saying that having old players is bad, only that we should avoid buying them when they're old.

Danny O’Neill
137 Posted 09/05/2021 at 08:27:55
Not nervous Tim. I've kind of resigned to finishing 8th now. But still have the hope we can sneak 6th. It't the hope as they say!

Martin, great points. What you are alluding to is that in Rugby, the officials are actually good and know the game. So the key word in the video assistance is assistance.

From a purist view I have no idea why football has messed this up so much as it's really quite simple. Rewind 2 years. We're all watching replays on the screen and can see the decision and have all been on the wrong end of many.

It's simple and plain to see. The problems football has with VAR as I see it are three-fold:

1. Poor officials who make poor decisions regardless.
2. Suspicious pundits because it threatens their livelihood - if it's clear to see what is there to debate and analyse?
3. The rules need looking at. Particularly the offiside one. That's not VAR's or the officials' fault.

On that last point, what ever happened to the daylight rule regarding offiside? I liked that as it gave advantage to the attacking player.

Dave Abrahams
138 Posted 09/05/2021 at 08:44:13
My last piece on Moyes, his last match at Goodison Park, was it West Ham we played? The Evertonians who stayed behind that day to clap him back onto the field at the end, made me sick, and it was the vast majority of the crowd, but as I often say, each to their own.
Paul Birmingham
139 Posted 09/05/2021 at 08:55:46
Dave spot on, it was v West Ham.

Let’s hope today Everton have the stomach to battle and win the game.

Stephen Morgan
140 Posted 09/05/2021 at 08:59:49
If we kick it out of play again straight from kick-off, I'm turning over to the Antiques Road Show.
Martin Mason
141 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:01:24
Danny @137, exactly mate. the difference between the games is astonishing. It was amazing to see how the rugby ref told the VAR exactly what he should check, how he discussed it with his officials and also with the players. All very transparent too with every word audible. Rugby also doesn't suffer from biased fans trying to influence the decisions.
Ralph Basnett
142 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:02:28
Is it just me or would others prefer to see us slip up so that we don't get into any of the Mickey Mouse European competitions?
Tony Everan
143 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:16:24
Ralph, I want Everton to win every time they walk onto the pitch. Bollocks to the future, bollocks to the past. Just one win can plant a seed of resurgence in a team, can give some players confidence that might grow, so we've got to go for it in the present, every time.

If we qualify for Europe, it may give just one or two of our promising youngsters a chance to shine and they may make the step up. We may sign one or two players in the summer who wouldn't have joined us. We may be able to increase the depth of the squad a bit. It can easily be a catalyst as much as it could be a burden.

So slipping up may not provide any answers and could create negativity at the club, which nobody wants to encourage.

Everton is a proud, and professional football team, I expect 100% from all involved, in every match. Anything less is totally unacceptable, shows inherent weakness, and should never be tolerated as a blessing in disguise.

Mal van Schaick
144 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:17:23
I can’t second guess this result from the tipsy turvy season that we are having. I suppose yet again that it will depend upon team selection and tactics. Lingard may be instrumental in this result.
James Owen
145 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:24:19
Fair point, Mal (144). I'm not expecting a win in this game. I reckon Carlo will try his classic defensive Italian tactics, hoping to snatch it with a counter-attack near the end. This will backfire though as usual.

2-0 to the Hammers.

Danny O’Neill
146 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:24:47
@Dave Abrahams. It was nauseating. A symbol of our fans being thankful for being average. That may seem harsh and I can back my balanced views up on Moyes, but we gave a hero reception to someone walking out on us.

@Martin. Once again, you hit a key point. Transparency. We hear the officials discussing the decision in Rugby and understand why. In football they are still being cloak and dagger, discussing their indecisiveness within the confines of their Steve Round like headsets. Who knows what conversations of wisdom are going on there?

@Ralph. I unashamedly want Europe of any flavour. I didn't care whatsoever in 1984 that we'd qualified for Europe's 3rd tier competition and played in Dublin and Bratislava in the earlier rounds. I'm up for that!

Charles Brewer
147 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:25:53
Dave, I think the reason Moyes was well treated is that EFC and its supporters, for all their faults, are fundamentally generous and appreciative. It goes back a long way. Don't forget that Bill Shankly, whom most of us regard as Beezebub's more evil twin (in footballing terms) was (rightly) far better treated by Everton than the club he rescued from the Second Division.

Football is probably the nearest most of us have to an extended tribal group which we support no matter what objective evidence or rational evaluation suggests. I moved away at 17 to go to university and have lived in the South East since I began work. But while my roots are in Liverpool, I now have no remaining family or friends there, but my adherence to Everton and many of its past and present aspects is unchanged.

I continue to have affection for Duncan Ferguson, Howard Kendall, Andy Gray, Kevin Campbell, Derek Temple, Michael Arteta, Steven Pienaar and David Moyes. (It's not worth mentioning Alan Ball!) I consider that Cenk Tosun, to give just one instance, has done his best, which admittedly isn't that great, and, if he leaves Everton, I shall hope he succeeds elsewhere and look benevolently on him.

Everton FC is not like the dollar-driven cesspit across the park (it is no surprise that the worst atrocities in English football history are irrevocably associated with it) nor the vile meat grinder at Old Trafford. I'd still rather see a First Division with Wolves, Burnley and West Ham than one where Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd thrive and seek advantage through every on- or off-pitch despicable ruse they can come up with.

I note with dismay that there will be absolutely zero consequences for the Shit Six. Minor fines paid off by a single Champions League match – which they will now be allowed to play next season.

Jerome Shields
148 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:33:19
I find I can't really predict the outcome. The Villa game really showed the type of team Everton have. Ancelotti putting the pressure on the attitude and presentation will hopefully lift the performance.

Everton are going to have to break down West Ham and fight for control of midfield. Above all, individual players are going to have to be professional and workmanlike, the complete opposite of the last game. This is what I want.

Sorry to say it, but we could get an Everton side that is not bothered and will put further pressure on the Manager.

James Owen
149 Posted 09/05/2021 at 09:45:50
Nicely put, Charles. In terms of history as opposed to market value and shares, Everton would be top of the tree as the team that has been longest in the top flight.

The so-called Super 6 are overrated. Man United is a dodgy Cayman Island registered company in the guise of a football team. In footballing terms, Chelsea have revived under Tuchel but Arsenal are languishing. Man City have dominated for a few years but the marvellous retired football commentator, Stuart Hall, used to call the stadium "The Theatre of Base Comedy" due to how hopeless they always were. "End of the pier" stuff.

Lifetime Man City fans must have felt they've been dreaming for the last 10 years.

Andrew McLawrence
150 Posted 09/05/2021 at 10:02:05
Apologies if this has been said before but, if you look at the last few games that James started, he couldn't take the knee properly. So I guess he's been carrying this calf thing for ages and couldn't bring himself to trust it.
Phil Wood
151 Posted 09/05/2021 at 10:07:05
Whatever the result today, I want an Everton Team that turns up, fights for everything, plays as a Team, brushes off mistakes and shows relentless endeavour.

I believe that the above is the minimum we should expect or accept from any of our Teams. If they can also add skill, cunning, tactical nous and win the game then that will be a bonus.

What we have been watching for a lot of the season has fallen woefully below these standards. Clean the slate and let's see what we are made of. COYB.

Mike Kehoe
155 Posted 09/05/2021 at 10:27:41
I can never understand the vitriol of some against Moyes. Having witnessed the dreadful Walter Smith reign, he brought stability and pragmatism, necessary but surprisingly rare characteristics in football. It was common decency to wish him well on his leaving for Man Utd, at least for those in touch with reality and not blinded by some kind of ‘little man' bitterness, feeling we are inadequate because we couldn't possibly compete financially.

I know for sure that I would have much preferred the dreary pragmatism of Moyes over the reckless chaos of Martinez, the incomprehensible arrogance and gross ineptitude of Koeman, hapless befuddled and inflexible Silva, or the sheer horror of Allardyce and his pet demonic little twat imp.

Moyes is gone and I wish him well, he tried his best and delivered a team that wasn't shite.

Brian Murray
156 Posted 09/05/2021 at 10:36:14
C'mon, Mike !The bar was set very low by that idiot Smith so he could hardly do much worse. Bringing stability and getting them fitter is the very least... although, to be fair, that part seems lost on Carlo or by his coaches, for want of a better word.

I take your point about the other buffoons privileged to even get near our door, never mind managing us.

Danny O’Neill
157 Posted 09/05/2021 at 10:45:44
As someone who I think has a balanced view on Moyes Mike, I'll give it a stab. It's inevitable that this fixture will generate discussion about a manager who led us for 11 years.

He came in and stabilised us at at time we were truly dire. Not like today's dire but in real dire straights. I for one, will always be grateful and give him recognition for that, as I did at the time.

The frustration came later when we wanted him to push us on. I appreciate there is an argument that he didn't have budget and what could he have done, but he proved beyond Everton that he isn't a winner. He's a stabiliser and likes being the underdog. The moment there is expectation he plays it down, which is why he's never won anything.

On one hand I'm grateful he stopped the rot and turned us around in circumstances that many others would not have been able to do and put us on a respectable footing.

On the other, disappointed he played down the expectations of a generation of Evertonians and made them accept mediocracy and averageness as the normal.

For me it's not vitriol, just football. I discovered we are actually related as both our Grandfathers were brothers so we're practically family by the way!

His Grandfather left Ireland for Scotland, mine for Liverpool.

Mike Doyle
158 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:01:55
Phil # 151] Agree fully with your sentiments. The remaining few games will show us which players are already in holiday mode - and which are still up for the fight.

For this reason, I hope Seamus and Tom will feature (even if they don't always start) as they are a couple who, even when not playing well always display what I'll call ‘the Ben Godfrey' attitude.

Martin Berry
159 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:11:33
Respect to Moyes whilst at Everton, he hardly had a pot of gold to work with but, where he could, he bought wisely. Added to that, he got us super fit and well organised, higher up the table than could be imagined due to hard work and diligence. Yes, he could be frightened of losing rather than winning, but his teams always put it in.

We can only speculate what he could have achieved with Moshiri's investment. Admittedly he would have found it difficult to attract the sort of players that Carlo has but, when he signs a player, you know it's money well spent and he knows how the jigsaw fits.

I only have the highest respect for the man.

Brian Harrison
160 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:11:38
I don't know whether it's not being able to go to games because of Covid-19 or just the massive frustration of the chances to get into the top 4 having been wasted, but I can't wait for this season to end.

The only real importance of today's game is after Carlo's criticism following the Villa game; will we see a more energetic approach from minute one of the game? I think the days of players being concerned about what the manager says are for many sides long gone.

Do you think that Delph or Besic or Bernard or Iwobi are really hurt if they aren't selected? As long as they are collecting their obscene amounts of money – that's their only concern. Once a lot of these players have their 4- or 5-year contract in their pockets, then if they don't perform the problems are the clubs not theirs.

We see lots of posts asking Brands to clear out the deadwood, when the real question should be: Why did we sign these players in the first place??? We have zero chance of moving on any player with more than 12 months left on his contract, because the clubs that would want these players couldn't get anywhere near paying them the money they are on at Everton.

I saw yesterday that Middlesboro saying that Bolasie's wage demands may make any chance of them signing him impossible. He isn't alone. Celtic have raised the same issue over signing Jonjoe Kenny. Tosun is another one; Besiktas said they couldn't afford his wages.

So anybody thinking we will be moving some of the deadwood on, forget it – it wont be happening, and that includes some first-team regulars that are obviously not good enough.

Tony Everan
161 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:12:52
Andrew 150, I noticed that. He couldn’t bend down far enough to get his knee on the turf. He only made it half way down.

It’s very concerning if it is because he physically can’t do it, or is worried about adopting that simple position.

Or, Is it sending a blunt message to the manager and staff that I am not 100% and I’m not happy you are asking me to brush it aside and play.

Either way, it’s no wonder he is out today.

Tony Abrahams
162 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:15:07
I think that was Bill Kenwright’s greatest trick, described perfectly in the last sentences of Mike K’s first paragraph post@155.
Phil Wood
163 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:26:22
I had more happy than sad match days under David Moyes. We did have some great days.

We didn't spend the money on big names but we were well organised and no soft touch for most of the Premier League. And always had an engine room. This is a lot more than can be said of Teams under the Managers that followed.

Good Luck to David – as long as it is not at our expense.

Oliver Molloy
164 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:44:08
I expect us to get payback today and collect 3 points.
Tom Bowers
165 Posted 09/05/2021 at 11:58:49
Once more into the breach, my friends!!!

The record away has been good this season and especially in London but Everton have been rather poor lately so I wouldn't put money on them getting 3 points.

The problems are still there and it will take a big performance to beat a resurgent Hammers team.

Danny O’Neill
166 Posted 09/05/2021 at 12:28:27
That's a great hindsight perspective Phil Wood and I don't disagree.

But I recall spending many afternoons not being happy, just hoping we hung on. In fact I very often detached myself from the match until it was over and let someone else tell me the result. There were also some dark results and cowardly performances under Moyes. I won't research but many Arsenal fixtures spring to mind. I also recall his second season when, although not threatened, we finished one place above the relegation zone having been humiliated by Manchester City on the last day of the season.

I could also say the same about Howard Kendall. Easy for my generation to romanticise about his first tenure in hindsight. But there were awful teams, performances and results in the 2 plus years leading up to when his team finally took shape and kicked in.

It always takes time to build your own team and be judged. As we judge Moyes over 11 years and Kendall (first term) over 6, I personally won't judge this manager over 16 months.

Mike Doyle
167 Posted 09/05/2021 at 12:38:02
Danny # 166,

Happy to accept that I was underwhelmed by the early years of Howard Kendall's first spell, but the gradual introduction of better players – plus the purchase of Reid & Gray to cement the competitive spirit – changed things around.

I also recall that, when Kendall was struggling early on, Bob Paisley observing that he felt Howard was creating the base of what would be a very good side. At the time, I wondered if Bob was being polite or patronising – but how right he was.

Mark Frere
168 Posted 09/05/2021 at 12:45:32
Mike@155 I think some of the negative feeling from certain people towards Moyes is born out of his conduct when he became Man Utd manager. The comments he made when he said Everton should allow Baines and Fellaini to leave the club to further their careers. It was contrary to his attitude when he moaned about Man City coming in and poaching Lesscott (unsettling the player). He didn't like been on the receiving end but he was all too happy playing Billy big bollocks, once he thought he'd made it big and we were beneath him.

To Moyes's credit, he came here after the dreadful days of Wally Walter and built some very decent squads, which achieved some high positions in the league. His squads were super fit and well organised. Still no trophies though and his tactics when playing away at the top teams were similar to those deployed by San Marino at international level. It was almost a damaged limitations exercise. He just wasn't capable of any flamboyance or ambition against teams that were seen to be superior to us.

His mentality was all wrong... he was more than happy to go along with the 'plucky little Everton' tag. There was the 'Knives to gunfight' comments when referring to us playing away at the top teams. His comments about Baines being the second best LB in England behind Ashley Cole. Everything was played down and he just didn't 'get' Everton - strange really, as Moyes is at the perfect age to remember the period in the 1980s when we were arguably the best side in Europe.

He failed miserably at Man Utd when he inherited the league champions. He just didn't/hasn't got the imagination or know how to manage a club challenging for major trophies. He failed in Spain also.

To summarize, he did a lot of good things here but he stayed two or three years too long and he's not a man of much integrity. I certainly wouldn't want him anywhere near our club again.

Danny O’Neill
169 Posted 09/05/2021 at 12:47:30
It took Howard time to find the balance and blend he wanted Mike, just as any manager does.

Andy Gray; many would say an inspirational signing the missing ingredient needed at the time.

A 28 year old with a dodgy medical record. 28 in those days probably equating to 32 in today's game. But what a character, presence and experience to add to the squad.

Dave Abrahams
170 Posted 09/05/2021 at 12:50:58
Mike (155), As I said in my post about Moyes, each to their own, fair enough, but I think you made three remarks in your post. (1),the little man bitterness, (2) it was common decency to give Moyes a good send off, (3) calling Sammy Lee a little twat imp. Where’s the decency in the third remark, isn’t more like (1) the little man bitterness.
Mike Kehoe
171 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:03:51
He is a little twat imp and I have no debt of decency to him.
Dave Abrahams
172 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:27:20
Mike (171), if it’s a personal thing that’s happened between you and Sammy, fair enough, it’s none of my business.
Stephen Brown
173 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:28:04
Sorry for negativity but my overall feeling for today is dread and apathy! Never felt like this before!

Obviously will be watching but feels more out of duty and habit rather pleasure! Hope I’m surprised at 6pm

Michael Williams
174 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:28:46
I hate when Moye's name comes up for discussion in regards to coming back but I guess this week it's appropriate. I may never root for harder today for us to than I ever have before just to give myself the smallest chance of not reading about him coming back, even if just for a few weeks.
Mark Murphy
175 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:37:24
"the retired marvellous Stuart Hall
You mean this fella James???

"The It's a Knockout presenter was imprisoned in 2013 after admitting indecently assaulting 13 girls - one as young as nine - between 1967 and 1985."

Paul Swan
176 Posted 09/05/2021 at 13:42:11
I had no problem with Moyes when he was manager here but in hindsight, after he left the club, all of the behind the scenes activities and cosy meetings with Ferguson really disgusted me. He then followed this up by treating the club with contempt in his attempted transfer dealings. I was overjoyed to see his fall from his perch but I do honestly believe he is currently a better manager and motivator of his players than what we have got. He is precisely the sort of coach who finds it easy to outthink our current manager and I don’t think the sort of weekly piss poor performances by the same players would have been tolerated by him. I hope I’m wrong but I can only see one result this afternoon
Dale Self
180 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:23:02
This whole discussion of Moyes is a play on expectations He under promised and over delivered most seasons. Carlo is being judged on a team’s performance without the same time with or stability of what Moyes inherited. Apples to apples oranges to oranges, Moyes is a Presbyterian piece of shit. Served us well until that last episode but do please fuck all the way off for that
Colin Glassar
181 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:28:59
Phil 163, I also remember decent to good games under Moyes, but the ones that stick in my mind are the cowardly away performances at the so-called Big 4 grounds.

The humiliating defeats in Lisbon and Bucharest. The semi-final defeat to them, the 2nd half capitulation to Chelsea in the final, the crap cup runs, the negative tactics and substitutions etc

It certainly hasn’t improved much since he left but despite the shite spoken by messrs Martinez, Ronald, Sam and Silva, at least we’ve never heard the “let’s get to 40 points first” inspirational speech since he left.

For all the comparisons made between Moyes and the present incumbent just ask any player in Europe who’d they’d like to play for. I think you all know the answer.

Thomas Richards
182 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:45:54
Mike 171

Apparently Sammy Lee is a great lad.
My mates from the bully, all good judges of character, wont have a word said against him.

P. S.
Moyes is a horrible, phony c**t

Bill Gall
183 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:50:42
.Moyes was no different than many other managers, and footballers, he was ok at a club that gave him a good wage and were happy with the results he got with the amount of funds he was given. When a bigger club came calling with more backing and a higher pay packet he was off, the same as other players will do. When it came to loyalty money won out.
I don't keep records but other people might, and can they name how many managers came back to their original clubs and were successful. ?
1 good season with West Ham does not make him a successful manager in the premier, consistency is what makes a successful manager. He failed in his 2 previous club so why suddenly is 1 good season making him the better manager.
Ian Edwards
184 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:50:49
Expecting a terrible 90 mins. Being outplayed by an entertaining Moyes team is just going to be too much to bear. Ancelotti has given up. We're going to finish 10th or 11th. Allardyce left us in 8th. In a season and a half Ancelotti has taken us backwards playing an absolute mind numbing, dreary, dull, negative, defensive, embarrassingly ball clenching, hang on desparately brand of football.
Thomas Richards
185 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:52:37
Stop watching?
Brian Williams
186 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:53:02
But on the bright side Ian............
John Boon
187 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:54:16
Trying to make comparisions between teams is difficult if one team is far too superior to another. However I have just watched two teams of a similar level to each other in Brighton v Wolves,

I always try to look on the positives when comparing Everton with other teams, but I also have to be honest. I am NOT going to point out any individual players, but on a general level both Wolves and Brighton look far more energetic, lively,and certainly faster than we ever do. Unfortunately I have found this in almost any Premier game I watch. More obvious is that other teams seem more determined to win than we do. Are Everton as fit as most other teams ?

This is all a far cry from our positive start to the season. It is as though ALL the energy has been drained out of the team and in unison they all seem to be saying "Just let this season end" mind you I find myself saying the same thing.Perhaps I am just turning into a grumpy old man. Please Everton convince me today that I am wrong.

Matthew Williams
188 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:54:46
Moyes again...sigh.
For me there are two moments at the end of his time here that summed him up,the photo taken at Wembley of Ossie as he watched the Chelski players going up the famous steps to collect the Cup...that look screams "that will never be us".
Next, our Cup exit at home to Reading for me was the final straw,I've never been as angry after ANY defeat as that one supporting my beloved Blues.

As for today's game,I fear the worse,but let's just give it a real fucking go eh Blues!.

Tony Everan
189 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:55:39
We needed a manager to get us from A to B and Moyes did that. He left. thanks, bye, forget him.

Since then we’ve been looking for a manager to get us from B to C but unfortunately B has become a bit of an island. HMS Ancelotti is the biggest and best boat we have bought to get us off this desert island but unfortunately it’s got a few leaks and engine trouble that need work, especially because the waters that separate B and C are very choppy , shark infested and full of expensive shipwrecks .

The parts are being ordered as we speak and are on the way next month.The relaunch is scheduled for mid August 2021.

Colin Glassar
190 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:57:12
I fully expect Everton to win this one comfortably. We are a schizophrenic team so you just never know who will turn up.

If we do win it I expect Carlo will be lauded and ginge lambasted. May the best team win - Everton!

Joe McMahon
191 Posted 09/05/2021 at 14:59:53
I was thinking of our dreadful goal difference today compared to those around us (nevermind top 4), and noticed Simms scored the winner today. he's scored a few for Blackpool, so I'll ask has anyone heard any feedback about his performances?

RE the ongoing Moyes discussion, for me amongst many:
Everton 1 West Brom 4
Everton 0 Bolton 4
Everton 1 Blackburn 4
Dinamo Bucharest 5-1 Everton
Everton 0 Wigan 3 (FA Cup)
Everton 0 Oldham 2 (FA Cup)
and the FA cup semi v Liverpool (as other has said we had it in the bag, and he sat on 1 up)

Ruining a proven goalscorer (James Beattie)
Andy Johnson running to the corner flag to get the ball
3 wins out of 23 games v Liverpool

Years of having the piss taken and vile verbal abuse by "the best fans in the world"

So 11 years, and 4 million a year in the last few years, he can **** off.

Brian Murray
192 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:00:20
Tony. post 189. I think we need a bigger float.
Rob Dolby
193 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:04:24
I am expecting a similar game to the home fixture. Only this time I hope it's our deflected shot in the last 5 mins that falls to an Everton player to tap in. For a reverse smash and grab.

With Leicester getting smashed by Newcastle we could be doing our lovable neighbours a favour.

Brian Murray
194 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:06:34
Joe post 191. That sums that loser and his mate up to a tee. Made a generation of efc fans think we where Bolton and should just be privileged to be in the sky era. Today not a yardstick because no way at least six of these first teamers will be here next season. If they are then Brands needs to go.
Geoff Williams
195 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:07:39
Sadly there have been very few games where I have anticipated an Everton victory and this game is no different. The players AND the manager have consistently failed to produce the goods.
Ian Edwards
196 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:07:42
Tony. HMS Ancelotti is no longer sea worthy. It has been decommissioned by its last three owners and should be scuttled.
Thomas Richards
197 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:14:17
Rob 193.

With your last paragraph in mind.
I hope we get twatted

Nicolas Piñon
198 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:14:21
Come on, Everton!!

All I want is this pandemic to be over to get to Goodison again. Be it Ancelotti, Dunc or Phil Neville in the dugout and playing Lincoln City or Real Madrid!

We're on the right path, just needing some clicks to let the sunshine more! NSNO!

Colin Glassar
199 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:16:22
Joe, Brian, spot on. The revisionism regarding Moyes would be fine if his followers would just admit he was a serial bottler.
Brian Murray
200 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:24:34
What are our chances of keeping Thierry Small and is he all that? Even Digne needs serious competition. Usually six or seven in and the same out is too much but that's the only way we will change this 'nearly men' attitude.
Rob Halligan
201 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:26:42
Thomas/Rob # 193. Don't worry about the RS getting CL, because they wont. Man Utd, having to play 3 league games in 5 days, will play a weakened team against Leicester and get thumped. They will then play a full strength against the RS and beat them. We will also dent West hams chances today with a confident win.
Rob Halligan
202 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:28:52
Just seen post # 184. Fucking in stitches laughing!!😄😄😄
Rob Halligan
203 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:30:50
Tony # 189. Good job Allardyce isn't the captain of the good ship Everton, otherwise we'd have sunk years ago, going down quicker than the Titanic.
Thomas Richards
204 Posted 09/05/2021 at 15:33:58
Fingers crossed Rob.
If they don't qualify thier spending budget drops. Along with the money lost during covid means thier money grabbing owners wont spend.
City, Utd, Chelsea will spend, and spend big thus widening the gap.
We wont be far away from them if we spend a decent amount.
Justin Doone
205 Posted 09/05/2021 at 16:33:29
As the league table tells us, there's not much between ourselves and Leeds, Villa, West Ham etc.

Who's goings to create and score on the day? Why King isn't started, I don't understand. It would be good to bring him in when we are not losing.


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