Lots of eyes will be on Donny van de Beek as he is set for another chance to show he can become the midfield powerhouse Everton have lacked for so long
Everton started well against Southampton but the lack of quality from both sides in a poor first half was rectified by the home side in the second while the visitors went from bad to worse, giving up soft goals in a very painful defeat.
Demarai Gray is absent as he recovers from the hip problem he suffered during the first half of the defeat at Newcastle. He joins Davies, Delph, Doucouré, Godfrey and Mina on the injury list.
Lampard goes with an unchanged line-up from the Leeds game, which means Dele Alli starting on the bench again, Alex Iwobi keeping his place in the side, Seamus Coleman continuing at right-back following his scoring exploits last time out, and Jpnjoe Kenny looking to reprise his efforts at left-back.
Vitalii Mykolenko is now clear of Covid-19 restrictions and is on the bench, along with Nathan Patterson.
The home side kicked off in bright sunshine and showed plenty of pressing effort when Everton were in possession. But they used it well to get up the field with Coleman setting up Richarlison but he seemed half asleep and totally failed to connect.
Gordon tried his luck from the other side but collapsed by tackling himself. From a corner, Romeu clearly handles the ball but VAR decides not, despite a long look. Perhaps his was in natural position, down by his side, and he did try to pull it away.
A poor block by Holgate set up a Saints attack that Pickford did well to foil. At the other end, Iwobi crossed in well but Richarlison was not there. However, he won a dangerous free-kick on the edge of the Saints area that was cleared.
Iwobi then tried to feed Van de Beek centrally but it didn't come off. Everton, however, were controlling much of the play and needed to underline it with an early goal.
More good play around the Saints area was not bringing the required reward in terms of real chances. A great ball in to Richarlison's feet again took him by surprise, then Van de Beek's shot was blocked.
The game settled somewhat until Allan caught Walker-Peters with a raised foot: yellow card. He then cheaply fouled Armstrong to set up a dangerous free-kick for Ward-Prose. He tried a shot in off the post but Pickford got a fine hand to it with a good dive.
Gordon, with Van de Beek making a great run, passes straight to Romeu! It typified a lack of care and sloppiness that perhaps could more generously be put down to the cut and thrust of the Premier League.
Another bright move involved Van de Beek feeding Gordon but his cross from close in was blocked. Fortunately, Southampton were not making much of their chances either, delivering corners and shots generously into Pickford's arms.
Everton had to defend, but when Romeu went in heavily on Richarlison, there was no card shown. Gordon had to give up another corner with Livramento running through the gaps to bundle Ward-Prowse's delivery into the body of Pickford. Everton were now living dangerously.
Everton got down the left wing and Richarlison did well to fire in a low cross but too close to Forster. Broja got past Kenny but Keane blocked his shot behind. From the corner, recycled, Bednarek headed over.
Walker-Peters flashed a shot inches wide after Coleman gifted the ball back to him. Another decent build-up by Everton saw Calvert-Lewin more involved after he had been booked for leaving his foot in, but no chance came from it.
Iwobi did some great work to feed Allan but he just gave it away weakly. Richarlison dribbled through 4 players only to do the same. The quality was simply poor at best. Iwobi had a chance to set up a break but over-hit his forward pass shockingly.
A somewhat frustrating and disappointing first half ended even-steven... which was probably fair in the circumstances, neither side able to show any real quality.
Lampard called time on Allan's faltering contribution, replacing him with Gomes at the restart. Iwobi fed Calvert-Lewin whose shot was blocked behind and the poor short corner was later curled in for Calvert-Lewin to head home but he was ruled offside after colliding with the post.
Everton worked hard to fashion a cross but this time Calvert Lewin was behind the defender who picked it off.
Richarlison was released wide right and it looked for all the world like a perfect cross that Calvert-Lewin just ambled in after and watched it fly in front of him. Southampton went up the other end and scored after Gomes lost the ball, Armstrong lashing the ball inside Pickford's left post.
The terrible Everton quality was demonstrated in triplicate when Richarlison released IWobi, his cross was awful, deflected by a defender to Van de Beek, who miskicked his shot to Gomes, and his attempt was way off target.
The Saints were now full of it, Adams poking a shot straight at Pickford off a brilliant ball in from Ward-Prowse, while Everton struggled for any fluidity. Why had Frank not made more changes immediately after the goal?
Gomes was slow to a ball that Romeu got to and won a free-kick. The Saints set up a strong attack, Armstrong shooting just over Pickford's crossbar. Finally, Lampard decides on a change while the Saints shaped another embarrassing attack.
Another fantastic set-piece delivery from Ward-Prose somehow did not score as two Saints players put each other off on the Everton goalline with Pickford a spectator. A chance developed for Gordon to cross but Foster gathered it easily.
While at the other end, a bouncing ball caused panic as Pickford had to come out and punch off Bednarek's head. Then a ridiculous foul by Gomes, jumping into the back of a Saints player. Paul Clement had to give Gomes extra instructions from the touchline as Townsend replaced Iwobi.
A shot from Walker-Peters was so nearly deflected past Pickford but he was very alert to save it. And Saints continued to threaten while finally with barely 15 minutes left, Dele Alli replaced Gordon.
But it seemed too little, too late as Everton continued to be swarmed by Saints, Pickford having to save again from Walker-Peters.
A great out-ball from Dele forced a care corner for Everton but it was a poor delivery from Townsend and ended up as a goal-kick. Another Saints attack so nearly saw them score.
Shane Long, Everton's perennial nemesis just on as a sub, was there at the far post to finish from a soft cross, no attempt to block by Kenny.
Everton had gone from bad to worse in a dreadful second half, with not a single attempt on target created in the entire game.
Kick-off: 3:00 pm GMT, Saturday 19 February 2022
Southampton: Forster, Walker-Peters, Bednarek, Salisu, Livramento, S Armstrong (90+3' Djenepo), Ward-Prowse, Romeu, Elyounoussi, Broja (83' Long), Adams, (90+1' A Armstrong).
Subs not Used: Stephens, Caballero, Smallbone, Diallo, Walcott, Valery.
Everton: Pickford, Coleman (c), Keane, Holgate, Kenny, Iwobi (66' Townsend), Allan [Y:15'] (46' Gomes), van de Beek, Gordon (75' Dele Alli), Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin [Y:39'].
Subs not Used: Begovic, Patterson,Mykolenko, Branthwaite, Rondon, El Ghazi.
Referee: Andy Madley
VAR: Andre Marriner
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2 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:20:26
A tough game today, but quietly confident of a good result today.
3 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:21:07
Hopefully Im proved completely wrong and we batter them.
4 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:27:29
5 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:28:55
Times to stick, times to twist. Question is, when?
Turning up with the same spirit is the main thing today.
6 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:39:44
7 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:47:42
I'm looking forward to this. Will be tougher than Leeds but fairly optimistic.
8 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:58:11
Tough game, head says a hard fought draw would be good but heart is fluttering for a 3-1 win.
9 Posted 19/02/2022 at 14:58:44
10 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:48:25
Surprised that's it's still level. Something needs to change.
11 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:52:03
Worked a good position for Richy to score early doors, but a poor first touch let him down.
Didn't see enough of the penalty call to know if it was a pen. His arm was definitely not in a 'natural position', so I can only assume it didn't hit it.
We've progressively retreated in both midfield in defence giving Southampton too much room to play in. That needs addressing.
Still working good positions, but the final ball letting us down.
A little tweaking and a win is still on the cards here.
12 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:52:16
13 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:54:21
Gordon our biggest threat again and at the moment I feel another midfielder in the middle would benefit us. Were still in the game coyb
14 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:56:39
15 Posted 19/02/2022 at 15:57:02
Again, something needs to be done to define better the difference between ball to hand and hand to ball other than was your arm by your side. And how that ref could book Allan and give nothing against Romeu I'll never know.
Certainly need to work out who up front should be where in the 2nd half if we intend getting back into this game.
16 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:00:36
I know I'm hard on him at the best of times but for me he's done absolutely nothing since he's come back (apart from an absolutely shocking penalty miss).
17 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:00:51
18 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:01:01
The midfield is occasionally over-run, but there isn't much we can do about that atm.
DCLs movement is a little off, but beyond that he's had little to play with. Gordon also has struggled to impose himself.
Gomes as a subsititute could put more bodies in the middle, but what Gomes would show up? Maybe Alli for one of Gordon or Iwobi.
Another possibilty could be Patterson on the right and a bit more pace coming down the right - although not likely as he's yet to play
But not too bad. Soton are a good team and this was never gonna be easy. A win is still on the cards.
19 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:02:03
Richarlison always scores against Southampton.
20 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:12:07
21 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:13:33
He's not an option.
22 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:13:47
23 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:15:53
24 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:29:46
25 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:33:46
26 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:45:29
Boreham Wood will be licking their lips.
27 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:46:36
28 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:49:16
29 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:51:22
Our defence are happy to blindly hack it away. They lack the quality to retain the ball.
If by some good fortune the ball lands with our midfield or attack we just have too many weak links. Eventually we're going to rely on a forward pass from an Iwobi, or Allan, or Gomes or a defender again.
The only possible improvement I can see is to get Richarlison out to the wing again. He's always been better in that position. Putting him up front changes him from being a 50 million pound winger into the sort of busy striker we could grab from the lower leagues for loose change.
30 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:51:37
31 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:54:53
What the fuck have they been doing all week?
32 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:55:24
But the manner of the 2nd half has been very disappointing.
No complaints and Soton, wanted it more and played like they believed they could win the whole match.
Tough games now and today results have gone against Everton, but they will learn tough lessons from today.
Hopefully this will render any further reasons for Gomes to be in the squad and will hasten his sales in the summer, but that will be an achievement as I dont see many takers.
Game on to stay up and no feeling sorry, this is the reality and so for City next Saturday tea time.
33 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:56:15
A 2 man midfield away from home was a mistake. We didnt have the crowd behind us, also Goodison is a small pitch.
Was Allan injured? If not, regardless of how he was playing he should have stayed on. Gomes can definitely not play as a 2 man midfield.
Stop picking teams based on the last match please. Look to the opposition and pick a tram to beat them, not a team that “deserves to stay unchanged”.
34 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:57:14
35 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:58:12
He really should not play a role in the 1st team after so many chances. Maybe Onyango, despite being just 18, will offer more.
But the issues werer deeper today. No-one was capable of keeping the ball, of passing to a team mate, of making penetrating runs. After the good start, morale seemed to drop and all confidence seemed for fall off a cliff.
No shots on target, and cant really remember any actual shots. A very poor performance.
Soton are much better. Better coached, and showing what can happen when players know the job theyre supposed to do and do it. No superstar players. No-one would call for us to sign Romeu, Adams, Armstrong, Bednarek and others. But they are decent players, made better because of the team. 3 years and Hassenhutl is showing his worth, despite quite a few sticky patches. The opposite of Everton atm.
If it wasn't for Pickford, that could have been embarrasing.
Another reality check for this team.
Should have had a penalty in the first half though,
36 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:58:37
Surely Lampard now understands why Iwobi is a joke among the fans? How many times have we heard about how well he trains? He put in a shift against Leeds, but he was still a yard short of most tackles and it was only that he wasn't fucking awful that day that fooled anyone into thinking he was any use.
Fucking Everton. What a shit day. Even Norwich losing is a double edged sword because it meant yet another win for that lot.
37 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:58:53
I don't understand why we're so fragile psychologically. We started incredibly bright, but once momentum shifted even slightly, we completely lost the plot. That second half display truly was gutless - and that's not a word I throw around on here.
Saints are a solid enough team, and if we lose to them on the road, so be it. But there's nothing positive to take from that performance, nothing to build on. It's back to square one yet again.
38 Posted 19/02/2022 at 16:59:28
That was an utter disgrace. This isn't about managers (despite the received wisdom on that point) : it is about players who consistently cannot do the basics when they are up against a bit of quality. No touch, no strength, no courage. Same as it ever was.
One of the worst performances I can remember, and just at the time when we should have been full of confidence.
Travelling fans betrayed once more.
39 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:00:12
No doubt we'll have to wait for that crunch week in March when we play Watford, Wolves and Newcastle to pick up our next points. That will be a massive week.
40 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:00:42
41 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:02:21
Without Pickford that could have been 4 or 5 but Lampard has his work cut out and now we'll find out if his bollockings are as effective as his compliments as bollockings there must be.
42 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:04:45
After last weekend I thought we'd have enough to get out of trouble but after todays result and the other clubs picking up points we're right back in it.
43 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:05:16
An off-day for many players who played so well last week.
As for Andre Gomes...awful. Just awful.
44 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:05:43
Allan was poor today, but Gomes was terrible and we lost all control once he came on. He lost possession for the first goal and was that bad that even the Ref couldn't be bothered booking him for his endless fouling. Honestly, Lampard should have subbed him off.
Not a single shot in 90 minutes.
45 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:08:31
Southampton are not a bad team, the little left back got stronger the longer the game went on, but Ive just read that they had thirty shots today, which is absolutely disgusting from Evertons point of view.
46 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:08:32
City and Wolves
Spurs and Watford
That will take us into April where we have a daunting run of
West Ham (away) Man Utd (home) Palace (home) Shite (away) Chelsea (home) Leicester (away) Brentford (home) Arsenal (away)
We have maybe 1 'home banker', at Brentford. Other than that all home games are at decent teams, with only Palace in the bottom half.
Of our away games, considering our woeful away form, only Watford do we look likely to get anything even that is never a given.
Worrying times indeed.
47 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:09:09
I didn't see the game but saw the live forum and for what those opinions are worth, most were slagging off Allan all first half. Obviously we know Gomes is complete garbage but Frank being new has seen one good performance from him versus Brentford and one poor. So he is still learning about him as is the case with other jokers like Holgate, Keane and Iwobi. As for DCL, as Michael Kenrick pointed out the only time he did well was under Darren's mate Carlo Ancelotti. Prior to Carlo he just ran around channels pointlessly, post Carlo he just sort of stands about halfway in the opposition half and basically doesn't contribute. He needs Frank to give him specific directions on where to go as obviously Carlo did as left to his own devices he is a plum
48 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:12:00
It didn't work because our players aren't as good as they think they are and because Southampton are a decent side.
Please be patient with the new management. We will stay up but there will be some days like today along the way.
49 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:12:13
50 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:12:27
It's basic football we are rubbish at, receive, pass, move. I lost count the number of times Allan and Gordon give the ball away, and then Alli, when he came on. You just can't do it as this level. I suspect its why Ancelotti went defensive in his last 6-9 months, and to some extent Benitez as well, they realised we are just not good enough against the decent teams (top 10).
Even Van de Beek got caught up in this malaise, his poor pass caused the 2nd goal, why he went back when he had a player available ahead of him I don't know.
Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison looked completely fed up being fed absolute dross. Frank, you rightly have, as you say, a difficult task to keep us up.
51 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:12:44
What is wrong with this club? At root, it's about softness. Lampard should batter them after that.
I shall be very surprised indeed if we pick up a single point from our next 3 games.
52 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:13:52
53 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:16:21
A tough 2 weeks coming.
54 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:17:20
Gomes? Words fail me, but in truth, the defence were crap, midfield non-existent to a man, and Calvert-Lewin looked totally disinterested. We were second to everything, including our own passes, we were unable to even pass 5 yards.
Not sure what tactics were planned but someone should have told the players.
55 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:17:28
56 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:18:25
We have to go to Watford and Burnley and I don't see any points from them. Just hope Brentford continue to fall as I don't see at least two of the teams below us not catching and passing us. Worrying times.
57 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:21:12
Second goal had three Everton players the wrong side of the scorer.
Anything close to Gomes, he just kicked it: ball, Everton player, Ref, corner flag. It was written all over his face and he knew.
Substitutes far too late. Dele will never get back into the swing of things sitting on the bench.
Frank's game plan wasn't helped by the players. Get up and go again.
58 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:22:01
Away games, no. We just can't play the same way. We need people with character and physicality. We also need 3 in midfield to clog things up.
We've seen Allan's limitations as a holding midfielder. He is just not that player. He's defensive in the sense that he hunts the ball and tackles, but he's not defensive in his position. He doesn't hold his position and shield the defence.
We've seen Van de Beek's limitations in a two-man midfield also. It's just not him.
Gomes is generally hopeless whatever system, because he's not very good.
We should be better with Doucoure or even Davies in there but again neither is a proper holding midfielder. If we had that player, Allan, Van de Beek and Alli too would be free to play their natural game and it would take the pressure off the centre-halves.
59 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:23:43
60 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:24:28
We will stay up because we have the advantage of the odd game and points in hand over the teams around us. They're making us sweat, though… but I think we will be okay.
Brentford can't buy a win now, Crystal Palace are dropping down, even Villa have gone in a slump.
61 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:27:56
Calvert-Lewin must be playing to get away. Allan can't pass and is fouling all the time through lack of pace. Iwobi, Gordon, Gomes and Townsend all did nothing.
We needed a point as the other results have gone against us.
62 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:28:16
As it was... we were utter dross. We can't do the basics – pass to each other, anticipate movement... we are a total soft touch and it's taking us into the Championship.
63 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:29:47
Lampard needs to do a Sam Allardyce, especially away from home, or we will go down.
64 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:30:18
65 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:30:24
Horribly disappointing today but, after we've vented our anger, let's get fully behind them and the manager game after game after game. I think we're in a battle for our future and we really do have to play our part by staying united and pushing the team over the line. Fuck everybody else, this is about us.
It could still be a good season for us, incredibly.
66 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:31:11
67 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:32:59
I hope I'm wrong but, if it happens, what is the situation of season tickets?
68 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:33:10
Celebrating the likes of Calvert-Lewin as a top proven striker tells you all you need to know about how far we have fallen and how desperate we have become for something to cling to.
69 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:33:29
The club bought Alli for the future, but we needed to buy for survival; this could sink us!
It's recruitment – even at this late stage; we're still making bad buys. Dele Alli has some serious head problems; why take a chance on him in the middle of a relegation battle???
70 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:34:00
I agree that Allan is not a defensive midfielder and Davies actually handled that position better last season.
But, he is the only fit player who can remotely play the role in the current squad. If Doucouré returns in the next 1-2 weeks, like you I would play a midfield 3 of Allan, Doucouré and Van de Beek.
71 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:34:21
Any team coming at us in any way shape or form will brush us aside. The only hope is we get "Moyes results" whereby clubs thinking about beaches in Cancun near season's end allow a few unexpected points to be snaffled.
We are really, really shit though and I'm still resigned to this being the year of the drop.
72 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:37:09
Gomes looked close to tears coming on, so uninterested it beggared belief. Does he have the same condition as TAFKAP (the Andy formerly known as Prince) in that he can't sweat? Calvert-Lewin won't get his arsenal move playing like that. About as useful as tits on a bull.
Donny van de Beek either showing why United got rid or else he is catching the disease that has gripped this once great club. Allan unlucky with his booking but his short-range passing is unbelievably poor. Richarlison not a centre forward; stop playing him there. Seamus was okay today, Pickford MotM.
Shane fucking Long scores against us. We are a charity for players who are having a crisis of confidence or who haven't scored in an age.
Why have we become such a pathetic, pitiful, infuriating, laughing stock?
73 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:38:27
Reading through Michael's report was like going back to many reports this dreadful season and reading about the usual suspects doing what they do time after time and unfortunately there is no-one to replace them with who are any better, that's when they are fit.
So sad and pitiful to see the state we are in and watching us on the edge of a large hole and not being able to get away from it. I'm sick here just reading about these players, honestly feel sicker thinking about the fans who travelled and had to watch it, including my grandson who got in and my great grandson who got stuck in London and watched it on TV, I think!!
What have we all done to deserve this?
74 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:39:21
Hopefully another learning curve for Frank, but a dangerous one, as time and games are running out quickly.
I don't think anyone realistically expected miracles after Frank's arrival, but come on… a bit more effort than that which was shown today. All departments fell below par today!
Feel sorry for all those fans who put a lot more effort in to going to the furthest away ground than the players offered, to be served up with that.
75 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:40:45
We now have a run of games which are not the type of games you would choose in our present form: City at home, even with a loud and proud crowd, will likely see a defeat then on the road to Spurs, who aren't great but will probably beat this Everton side.
Watford and Burnley winning today has really put us back into the mire, and the quicker Lampard realises that his team/squad can't be relied upon to give back to back performances the better.
It's going to be a bumpy ride, just when we thought this team may have turned a corner, they manage to ensure it's a cul-de-sac with the only way out of it largely depending on other teams failing more often than we do.
76 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:43:40
I couldn't agree more with you about Calvert-Lewin, he is bang average.
I love the Warren Aspinall shout.
77 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:44:10
Calvert-Lewin - awful.
Gomes - awful.
Van de Beek - awful.
Only Pickford and Richarlison need not hang their heads in shame. The rest…
78 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:45:27
For sure, our players are paid a shitload to play footy, and, in an ideal world, we should be able to play like we did against Leeds every game. Yet the players are human beings, not robots.
I know first hand how difficult it is to build and maintain self-confidence through difficult times, with my own battles with clinical depression. If your mental state is poor and your confidence is really low, you have to really dig deep to prevent the shit hitting the fan!
And it's a lot worse if your team around you is having a mare too or you're in a difficult environment and not had enough sleep! Mental Health is under-appreciated I think sometimes with our fan forums.
Our fan base needs to create that positive amazing atmosphere that made Goodison rock last weekend, both at the games and on social media too. For sure, a lot of players had shit games today, yet I have faith Super Frankie Lampard will turn these away results around in the long run.
We weren't winning at home until 3 weeks ago. With the epic crowd at Goodison, we've created the atmosphere to spur our team on. As loud as the Blues fans were at times today, it's not the same when you're not on your own turf.
The recent home performances will help the Blues moving forward. Together with Frank's great coaching set-up and philosophies and style of play, we will get there. I have faith. There's a lot to work on, yet I have faith.
Besides not making any excuses yet:
1. Saints only lost one game at St Mary's all season; even Man City couldn't beat them.
2. We last won away at Brighton back in August; 2 points from 30 possible now.
3. Ralph's been in charge for 3 years, has a fairly settled group of players who pressed us off the pitch for a second season in a row and can control games.
4. Frank's only been in charge 3 weeks; Rome wasn't built in a day.
5. Graham Stuart said at the end on Evertonfc that Southampton looked fitter than us today and nobody from our team really stood out.
Everton had to change travel plans yesterday to travel the length of the country to play this game. The weather was fricking awful too for the flight down. Maybe the Blues were genuinely tired because they didn't get the same amount of rest as Saints did playing at home. Rest and recovery is crucial in elite sport for mental and physical performance.
79 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:49:00
That was awful.
80 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:50:04
What's so fucking difficult about passing the ball to a team mate? Are they colour blind or what? Even Van de Beek was awful and that's a Dutch international player, for fuck's sake!
I was so full of optimism going into that game that I had us winning it easy. Back to reality for me and the rest of us Blues but, to make it worse, we then see that Burnley and Watford win.
There's a full team to get rid of there and Frank now knows it.
81 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:50:29
Last week, we played through the lines much of the time and, when we did go long, we were picking up all the knock-downs.
We seemed to be playing on the back foot today and not attacking the ball. As many have said, we had too many players off the pace today, including Gordon. Let's hope Demarai gray is fit next week.
82 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:53:10
As @38 says: 'Travelling fans betrayed again'.
83 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:53:28
I'm sorry, mate, but the players are paid huge amounts to play football. Many of us ordinary souls have just as much, if not more psychological pressure to bear as our Everton heroes.
The players don't have to worry about the price of food, gas etc. They don't have to concern themselves whether they will lose their jobs at the drop of a hat, or any of the other things that ordinary people have to deal with on a daily basis.
All they have to do is to play hard to try and win games, they don't have to win every game they just have to compete and, if the only way they can find to compete is to rely on us mortals to be nice about them and rally round them, then I'm afraid they are in the wrong profession.
84 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:53:33
Subbing on Gomes at half-time, when this was still a competitive battle, was an entirely predictable disaster at a moment where we needed control and composure in midfield.
I expected Alli or perhaps Townsend for Allan. I was shocked to see Gomes. I was not shocked at all by what he did in the next 10 minutes.
That blunder is 100% on Lampard.
85 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:53:37
The only surviving thing to me is fans on here repeatedly getting mugged off when players have a good game as say “there's a player in there” etc.
86 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:54:58
Let's to honest with ourselves please. Next game is Man City and we are going to get a beating. A hiding to none. So let's play the kids with Gomes and Iwobi and let's plan for the games that will come after.
It's time to be brutally realistic. We will lose a few more games between now and May but we should pick up a few wins to survive. We are missing Gordon and Doucoure big time. Without them, we are toothless in midfield, which must be our priority in the summer.
87 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:56:27
88 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:56:29
The passing of the final ball after decent build-up play was shite. When it comes to making plays under pressure, the precision and skill isn't there.
We gift-wrap goals which is the sign of a team that lacks belief in itself and isn't mentally up for the challenge; too many of these mental midgets turn off.
89 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:57:03
He took a slow player off and brought an even slower player on.
90 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:58:26
91 Posted 19/02/2022 at 17:59:41
Also there was no way on this earth Iwobi was going to have 2 decent games on the bounce.
I knew that; now I hope our manager knows that.
92 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:00:48
93 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:01:47
Calvert-Lewin is coming back from a really debilitating injury. He will do what he has always done and confound his critics.
We are in a struggle we didn't need to be in. Holywood appointments will be the death of this club. I wonder what will it take for the penny to drop?
94 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:02:37
We could all be millionaires if we always backed someone to break a bad run against Everton, couldn't we? I wonder if insiders are making a packet from these 'freakish' occurrences?
95 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:04:10
Jonjoe Kenny wasn't the worst Everton player by far. Iwobi, Gomes, Allan and Calvert-Lewin deserve that dubious accolade. All of them were awful.
96 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:04:20
Three home wins, please, three worse teams, please, followed by a summer rebuild.
97 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:04:38
98 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:05:38
I can understand Lampard starting with last week's team and have no issue whatsoever. Lampard and his staff have watched them train all week and were comfortable with the starting 11 and, for the first few minutes, his decision was justified
Then the brick wall. Poor passing, in fact... piss poor passing, poor decision-making on and off the ball, no leadership, losing 50/50s... bloody awful!
We have had numerous managers, we've even brought in new players over the past few seasons, and yet we still talk about the same shit issues!!! It's unbelievable
Every home game now will have to be treated like a cup final with support similar to the Leeds game. How have we come to this?
99 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:06:49
I know a Newcastle supporter who says if anyone is on a barren run coming up against them, they are guaranteed to score.
100 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:08:25
Moral: you don't just pick an unchanged side because they won their previous match. Lampard has to pick sides to get a result against the side we are playing today and not the side we beat last week. If that means benching players or changing formation, then so be it.
Allan has to stop picking up bookings. Once again, he was looking for a second yellow, so on came Gomes and we fell apart.
101 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:09:02
102 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:09:25
Things that can help us, however, include getting Calvert-Lewin fit, and l would even play Rondon or Dele Alli ahead of him if he isn't.
I would also like to see Patterson and Mykolenko now. We need natural players in those full-back roles that can get forward, overlap and play crosses in the box. Let's not starve our strikers. If they don't play, then we just can't play the 4-3-3 that fans are calling for.
103 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:10:16
It's called the Everton malaise. Every player we sign starts off okay, then falls into it. Townsend is the most current victim.
Van de Beek is heading that way on today's performance.
104 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:10:53
A lot to ask and I do worry that creating that bear pit we need each home game can't be taken for granted.
105 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:11:09
"What have we all done to deserve this."
I've always maintained a lot of fans endorsed an unwritten pact with Moyes and Kenwright, ie, that ambition could be set aside for safety.
The problem is, once a club stops trying to progress, the possibility of others catching and overtaking increases... and it has happened.
In that respect, we are getting what we deserve.
106 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:15:11
107 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:15:54
108 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:16:41
Their manager said it was a tight game.
Frank's been in charge 3 weeks, let him get on with it. Gomes won't be at Everton next season.
New coaches won't listen to other people's opinions of current player's – they like to find out themselves.
109 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:16:55
Lampard is a confident young chap and why shouldn't he be! This game and the way it was lost, though, should force him to take a long hard look at his players and their weaknesses again. He can then play the rest of our fixtures planning for what they are actually capable of rather than what he believes they're capable of.
Going into this game, all the signs were that Southampton were capable of this emphatic win based on playing style and form. That result against a knackered Leeds after their battle with Villa should not have impressed Lampard too much, but I wonder did it?
Either way, if he doesn't realise we have relegation battle looming, then we're in trouble.
110 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:21:18
Did he actually say that about Gomes?
111 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:21:57
The crowd went quiet after 10 minutes; nothing was coming off for the players. Villa were controlling things.
Same will happen against Man City; they pass you into submission.
112 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:23:00
Graham Stuart's view of comparative fitness against Southampton, mentioned above, is telling. How many times has that been said? How many times have we been reassured that a new fitness regime has been put in place?
It's all of a piece: softness under pressure. I have every confidence that Lampard and his team will solve it. Listening to that fella, Edwards, he doesn't seem the sort to settle for the shite our boys served up today.
Shades of 1995 this.
113 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:24:45
I don't disagree with you but, in truth, there are multiple players in this team who are occasionally good but mostly crap. We can blame the manager for sending on such a player but Holgate, Keane, Iwobi, Kenny, Coleman, Gbamin, Tosun, Rondon, etc are all liabilities. The odds are one or more of them will fuck up and allow us to say “He shouldn't have played him” but we don't have 11 good and reliable players to pick
114 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:27:49
Southampton beat Spurs and then outplayed Man Utd, so why would we expect Everton to get anything?
When the injured players return (if ever this season) will things change? Not too sure about that. Luckily Brentford and Norwich lost and Barcodes dropped two points so for now we still control our own destiny. Can we just hand Man City the 3 points next week and move on?
Such bad performances by highly paid professionals for most of the season is not acceptable at this club. They have no idea how to tighten up as a unit; if Lampard wants to play like this, then he will need much better players.
115 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:29:11
“Everton's haul of 22 points from their first 23 games represents their worst tally at this stage of a top-flight campaign since 1950-51, when they also had 22 and were relegated.”
Makes the blood curdle.
116 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:30:14
But, for me, the game turned from bad to far worse when Gomes inexplicably came on. I know we're short of defensive midfield options, but the outcome was so predictable.
I'd also give Dele Alli more than 20 mins. I know he didn't look great, and gave the ball away in the lead-up to the 2nd goal, but his forward passes offer something none of our other players are capable of.
117 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:33:56
The trick is to get him scoring.
118 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:34:59
We looked very lethargic and quickly faded after a bright start. It was horrible trying to watch us pass the ball, and how much space Southampton were getting in the middle of the park. That is why I think putting three players in our own midfield is such a necessity from now on.
119 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:35:33
Certainly for the second goal Pickford should be cleaning it out and Coleman didn't even fucking jump.
It is concerning that Lampard and his coaches obviously don't fancy Mykolenko playing at left-back!
121 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:36:57
We have to be 4-3-3 or 4-5-1.
We need a midfield three: Allan Doucouré Van de Beek. Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin, and Gray or Gordon as a front three.
We needed a fast tenacious ball-winning defensive central midfielder in January, very disappointing we didn't get at least one in. That has cost us.
Just hoping Doucouré gets back to full fitness because that set-up and the Goodison crowd will see us improve.
122 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:37:00
I'll probably get slated, but we were totally out-battled in midfield. Bringing on Gomes for Allan left us toothless in a two-man midfield.
The only other defensive midfielder we have is Gbamin; I don't know what he's like in training but got game time with the U23s... can he be any worse than Gomes, and is he worth a place in the squad?
123 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:37:13
Back then (1951) there was only 2 points for a win available, so today's position is worse.
That old team would have had more wins and draws to get that 22 points.
124 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:39:33
I thought the same about Coleman, he didn't get off the ground. Mykolenko will start against Man City. I'd switch Kenny to right-back too.
125 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:42:08
126 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:43:55
Southampton played well but it was Everton that made them look better. Lampard has a huge task on his hand as it is okay looking good when you are winning, but good managers show their worth when they are losing.
If he wants to become a successful manager, now is the time to start earning his pay.
127 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:43:55
Southhamton played well but it was Everton that made them look better. Lampard has a huge task on his hand as it is ok looking good when you are winning, but good managers show their worth when they are loosing.
If he wants to become a successful manager now is the time to start earning his pay.
128 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:52:23
I admire your optimism but the old “so and so cant be worse” has invariably turned out to be untrue. We need our three or four good players, Franks nous and the home crowd to drag the other 20 shit players in the squad over the line. There are no hidden gems hiding in the wings just varying degrees of crap players
129 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:52:30
Christy, unfortunately Gbamin looks totally finished as a player. The player we bought was exactly what we need now - dominant, athletic, captain material, and able to hold a position in front of the defence. Very bad luck.
130 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:54:22
131 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:58:14
I agree, the formation didn't help us, but did we have the players to go to a 4-5-1? No.
We have been watching Everton far too long to know Kenny and Iwobi are not good enough by far to play in the Premier League. Unfortunately, I will have to put Gomes in there as well.
Because of the bad weather, Everton supporters' only option to get to the game was a train to London then a taxi to the ground, which cost them £300. How is that for passion?
132 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:58:58
He didn't look like a player, he looked like someone who'd won a competition to play 45 minutes with a team. Lampard, who was one of the best midfielders this country has produced, must be shellshocked how bad his performance was.
Onto the game: for me, the game changed with that stupid senseless booking for Allan. It was a braindead tackle he didn't have to make, but that only highlights the lack of leadership in the squad, he had to tread carefully, so why didn't the rest of the team go the extra half a yard to make up for it?
133 Posted 19/02/2022 at 18:59:31
I don't if Mykolenko will start, but moving forward no matter the nice things Lampard is saying about the likes of Kenny, he isn't good enough.
Coleman, Keane, Mina, Holgate are in the same boat for me – all need replacing.
134 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:00:55
I'm not sure that it's a case of not fancying Mykolenko, perhaps more a case of feeling obliged to start the same team that did so well last week.
Then, of course, he had to take Allan off at half-time and used up a sub there, so perhaps didn't need to risk another one by swapping out Kenny for Mykolenko when Kenny was playing okay and wasn't injured.
I think we will see quite a few changes for the team that starts against Man City, given some of today's performances.
135 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:04:42
If Seamus had been infront of the Gwladys Street, he would have jumped. He and Gomes are not up to it, week-in and week-out.
I know I'll continue to be berated for saying this but, if we keep playing them, we'll keep losing. We're playing with 8 players, week-in & week out. We're just not good enough because we start with 8 players every week.
Start Mykolenko, Start Kenny or Patterson. Man City will tear Seamus a new arsehole.
136 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:08:54
If, by any remote chance, Lampard is or wasn't up to speed about gobshites like Gomes, surely it's up to Dunc to for once open his mouth and warn or tell him who can be relied on, not just at home.
137 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:11:28
I heard some people say “magnificent” last week about a very average performer and performance. There are still 5 or 6 players I don't want to see next season because they are dreadful... 1 or 2 for other reasons.
Last week – 7 days ago... seems like years ago.
138 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:14:23
Regards the Man City game, I will be mighty surprised if we get anything from the game other than a footballing lesson!
139 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:17:07
140 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:18:12
That statistic that Ajay refers to is 'weighted' for 3 points for a win, so in the first 23 league games of the 1950-51 season, Everton won 6 and drew 4, losing the others thereby giving that team a total of 22 points from 23 matches using 3 points for a win; using 2 points for win, they would have had 16 points.
141 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:20:53
142 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:20:56
I don't know how we go about it but we need to find a way to remove at least 8 of these players from the club this summertime.
Top of the list has to be be nondescript players that offer zero like Andre Gomes who for the best part of his Everton career has been average to poor.
A whole bunch of other mediocre players need to follow.
When you are watching Everton and you realise how far you have fallen behind the likes of Southampton and West Ham, teams that we annually used to finish above even in a bad season, then you understand the magnitude of Lampard's job.
143 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:21:33
144 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:23:52
Yes you are correct, but perhaps that gives the teams around us less chances to overtake us? Not sure to be honest because we have to put the points on the board ourselves.
145 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:24:15
Coleman, Keane, Holgate, Mylenko (Holgate and Keane only due to injuries elsewhere).
Gray or Townsend, Allan, Van de Beek, Alli, Gordon or Richarlison
Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison.
Doucoure and Godfrey or Mina come in when fit.
Subs to trust: Branthwaite, Kenny, El Ghazi and Begovic, then the kids, including Patterson and Dobbin.
Forget Gomes, Gbamin, Delph, Iwobi, Tosun and Rondon. They cannot be relied on at all.
146 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:24:49
147 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:25:40
Relegation with this shower of shite and I would imagine it will be curtains for his managerial career.
148 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:26:03
No he didn't say that. Just my opinion, bud.
We could all do well to remember that Van de Beek and Alli are cup-tied, so Frank has to keep certain midfielders involved in the league games else they will fuck him over in the FA Cup.
It's a mess, we know these players are weak in most departments (me being polite) but the iron fist of Benitez wasn't exactly successful.
Frank will keep us up, no problem, and probably get us to the cup semi – just don't expect it to be plain sailing!
He will deal with these work shy buggers in the summer – as long as our owners back him in outgoings and incoming which is at best hopeful.
149 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:27:52
150 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:28:35
No disrespect but Calvert-Lewin can watch Harry Kane all he likes, he'll never ever be in that league, unfortunately.
151 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:29:05
Like others signed by Brands, they were written off before they'd played a single game and that fact was the main reason for the DoF's sudden departure!
152 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:34:48
Everton must bounce back and recover, but the next few games are ominous on current form.
That Creek, which sadly we know too well, has caught Everton again.
Hopefully the 12 h man at Goodison can drive the squad to perform a miracle, next Saturday.
153 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:43:02
154 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:44:09
Gomes can do one, as can Keane. I can empathise with confidence players but, if they can't cope, then they're in the wrong profession. Thousands of us throw our money at these players and you can literally see Keane and Gomes brick themselves, week-in & week-out.
If the players had put in the same graft that they did against Leeds, we would've won today. But they didn't. Calvert-Lewin was the main culprit too. I've backed him since he was a youngster and, even when he wasn't scoring years ago, he worked hard.
Richarlison, for all his sulking, runs his socks off every game and this shower need to be held accountable.
If we couldn't do any better, I'd accept it. But we can.
155 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:46:47
At least Lampard is not a Martinez or Benitez, saying 'phenomenal' or blaming someone else. He's honest and please lord is learning fast with his more than decent back-up team.
156 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:47:30
The cowardly and gutless disposition of the squad today, in not turning up for the second half, is a massive concern.
God only knows who will start next week, but Everton need fighters. There aren't many in this squad.
157 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:48:42
I hope this puts to bed the Calvert-Lewin vs Harry Kane argument. I see it as (and no, I'm not a manager) Calvert-Lewin being a 6-yard box poacher (only), as Carlo kind of played him. He isn't the all round striker we all want.
If the Gunners are gonna offer £60M, it has to be taken. This coaching team could do a lot with £60M.
158 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:51:31
159 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:54:04
160 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:55:27
Until the rest are fit:
Holgate Keane Branthwaite
Patterson Doucoure Van de Beek Allan Mykolenko
If Calvert-Lewin doesn't remember who he was in the next 2 games, bench him for Gray, Gordon, Alli or Dobbin. Soft centre must be solved.
161 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:56:53
162 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:57:15
Look at the table: there's 5 teams that would gladly swop places with us at the moment. You can still get 6/1 that we are relegated if you fancy we will.
Yeah, I agree, we are a very moderate side, but we have enough to stay up thanks to our early season wins.
163 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:58:41
The thing I don't get is when it was obvious he was available, we were the only club in for him apparently.
And given what Gerrard said about him as Rangers manager, then why the fuck did he not encourage Aston Villa to sign him?
164 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:05:34
I regarded this as the first genuine test of the new regime's impact. It was found sadly wanting. The mantra of not changing a winning team is garbage. Introducing Gomes into a game in which we could not dominate possession, in which we already lacked the pace and energy to win the midfield battle was inviting trouble. In truth, we were lucky to escape with only a 2-goal defeat.
Our league position is an accurate reflection of the squad's quality, or lack of it. Away from home, against teams who mostly aspire to little more than mid-table safety, we have been consistently outplayed. We have changed the conductors many times but it is, I am afraid, largely the same old orchestra hitting the wrong notes in the wrong order.
It is evident that our path to survival this season will have to be achieved in the home games when the 12th man will be vital. The 12th man will need to find a level of consistency plainly beyond too many of our present squad.
165 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:07:54
What endeared him to most of us back then was his effort and hard work. We're not seeing that currently. It looks like he thinks he's made it, England international, £60 million price tag, great contract... feet up?
166 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:09:00
We're the manager's graveyard. Lampard has an impossible task unless he's given a 5- to 10-year horizon.
167 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:09:39
Brian @155, stop looking at the managers and look at our players. We have to support them as I've said above on this thread or we're fucked, but they have been a more or less self-serving shambles for as long as I can remember.
Take the money and fuck the fans. I include all of them in that without exception. Coleman and Baines and a few others have put in the years and I regard them as good servants (on the face of it), but they've been part of it even so.
If I were earning what they're earning, I would be truly embarrassed. No sign, ever, that they are.
168 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:13:33
Sack the board, change the manager, these players just aren't good enough.
169 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:13:33
Four of them started on the bench.
End of February... Why are the board not being targeted still?
170 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:19:26
As others have said, he's not in Harry Kane's league as a footballer but he's still a very good player.
171 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:20:28
172 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:22:19
173 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:30:13
174 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:31:36
As I said earlier in this thread, I have only seen the highlights but some posters seem to think that, if it wasn't for Pickford making some good saves, we might have been beaten by a few more. However, that's what a goal keeper is supposed to do, right – make saves.
It's no good producing good saves then making stupid mistakes. He definitely should have done better with the second goal, along with Coleman, I think he is afraid of coming for balls because of his height – he should have come for that.
Pickford gets too wound up! If Spurs want him, I would be happy to see him move – he always has a mistake in him. I also think he should have known what was coming with their first.
175 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:34:46
Burnley (A), Newcastle (H), Watford (A), Palace (H), Leicester (H), and Brentford (H)
Of course we may not lose all of the other games we play but facing the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and even Leicester on their own turf isn't likely to garner too much by way of points on current form, neither are the visits of Man City, Wolves, Man Utd and Chelsea to our home likely to provide too many points either. West Ham, depending on which mood they are in, could be a place for Everton to do well, but not if the Hammers are flying.
We are in a bind, there's little doubt about it, but the team has to roll up its sleeves and dig out as many points as is possible. If they keep turning in performances such as today's, we are in big trouble. I think some people are mistaken to believe that ToffeeWeb posters are over-reacting to both sides of the coin, when mostly they are merely reacting to what they have just seen – and what we've just seen will take us down, just like performances like last weeks will see us safe.
176 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:35:21
It's over as we don't have the players to fight to stay up and a manager with no experience in a relegation scrap. This has been coming for years. Most stagnated club in the Premier League. Sadly, the board have taken our status in this league for granted. It's come back to bite us on the arse.
I don't see us putting 2 to 3 positive results together. Other teams have woken up! We are strolling to relegation. Too big a club, if you know your history, does not keep you here!!! No body gives it to you. You're in a hole, Everton!!! Unless you give everything, it still may not be enough... but please go down fighting!!!
177 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:37:45
178 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:43:37
The likes of Leeds fans don't hesitate to slag off Ridsdale for ruining them despite their Champions League semi-final; Liverpool fans took action against Gillette and Hicks, causing them to bugger off pronto after a mere three seasons of worsening results and no hint of a trophy, and yet we in effect choose to tolerate for nigh on 30 years no trophies, little good football, gross financial mismanagement and bullshit from and through the boardroom.
The inept culture infesting Finch Farm has not been bad luck. 'Inept' being very kind; people have centred it there decades ago and continue to do so.
179 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:47:03
After that Everton performance I don't wanna see any pics of 'the lads' training at Finch Farm... updates on 'Bramley-Moore Dock'... emails with 'special offers' on kits etc... abysmal performance that... feel so sorry for fans making the journey in this weather... weekend ruined again!
180 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:48:59
The other point is teams will be prepared after the Leeds game; "Quiet the crowd for 20 mins" will be the mantra meaning we will need points beyond Goodison – it's that simple.
Unfortunately, I don't think the players are good enough; we've been found out.
181 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:50:33
182 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:56:53
I don't blame Lampard for pulling Allan at half-time as he looked odds-on to get a second yellow and then we go down to 10 and lose him for the next match. The sad part is that we don't have another fit defensive midfielder.
183 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:04:54
I don't disagree with your criticism of Pickford. He has always been weak on crosses and suspect of temperament.
My point was that he was the only one who could be ‘remotely happy' with his performance. He did make some saves which kept the scoreline down but I would not be hanging out the bunting for him.
184 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:05:06
- Kenny did marvellous against Leeds (and I named him myself in who should start), but he's just not a left-back!
- Same 4-4-2 that's failed us for over the last year.
- Van de Beek and Gomes as a midfield two, should have been as obvious as “smoking kills”.
- Rondon, Iwobi, Kenny, Tosun and Gomes getting games ahead of Dobbin, Branthwaite and Onyango.
- Signing both Donny van de Beek and Dele Alli (and not a defensive central midfielder).
Again, don't get me wrong, this is a year away from a #LampardOut call, and both the board and the players need blame long before Lampard does… but there are already warming signals. Not good.
185 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:06:30
This season has been as bad, if not worse than then, and the repercussions are far worse. We just cannot afford to be out of the Premier League.
Gone are the days when promoted teams actually won Division 1 the season after promotion. Even then, I tried to stay positive when speaking to my Everton buddies by saying that we would get to see different teams. I certainly don't feel like that today. I just dread being in the same league as Milton Keynes or Wycombe.
Come On You Boys. Have some respect for your dedicated supporters and get us out of this mess. Playing like you did against Southampton will never do the job.
186 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:10:08
187 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:10:43
We won't lose every away game, and I think 35 points will be enough to stay up this season.
Feel free to laugh at me come May!
188 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:17:19
The gifting of goals is criminal and the inability to pass is inexcusable. We really are in deep trouble with defeats likely in the next two games and Frank and his team are now under extreme pressure to sort this out and at least field a team that will try and will do the basics of passing the ball to the right team.
Time for the manager to show what he can do.
189 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:18:22
It's getting to a “Death or Glory” fight for survival time. Potentially I see 4 games that can be won, and possibly 5, but the mentality of the players and lack of belief as shown today, renders all the big 'if'!
But the Goodison Park crowd will always be up for the battle. Mentality is the issue and hopefully Frank and leaning on Dunc and the rest of his staff, can get some fighting spirit in this squad.
I see some tense months ahead, and never more does the squad need to search their souls, to find the bottle and guts for the remaining games.
Every one is a Cup Final and potentially another nail in the heart of all Evertonians. All unite and fight the good fight. Evertonians will, but the squad needs to up their game.
The results this poxy season, don't lie. Adapt, improvise, fight, and overcome – this is the time for real guts and character at Everton Football Club.
190 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:23:27
As far as I can tell – and surely we all know this by now – we've got a group of players who struggle to consistently play at the top end of their abilities. We have a group of players that capitulate too readily, that lose their individual battles too easily, and that do not seem to believe that they can turn the tide once it sets upon them.
Nobody played well today, and I'm sure everyone will highlight whatever they thought constituted peak atrocious. For me, it's André Gomes. Again. And watching Kyle Walker-Peters drive past a static and square-on Gomes – not once, but twice – was just more maddening than I can accurately convey in words.
It's just absolutely basic Defending 101, and it makes me think that Gomes is either: a) uncoachable; b) extraordinarily stubborn and stupid; c) someone who has no interest or self-belief when it comes to winning the ball; or d) someone who has given up caring about his team.
For me, it's one (or a combination) of those 4 options, and I hope, when the coaching staff and his team-mates watch the footage of it together, they give him a proper dressing down because it's just not good enough.
191 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:26:48
Why do I think that? I simply have too.
There are 3 worse teams than us in this league probably... more. Keep the faith.
192 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:35:05
193 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:39:29
We really need(ed) a mobile Number 6 to make us harder to play through. Instead, we opted for the seemingly glamorous option once again (see Bolasie, Sigurdsson, Gomes, Rooney, Rodriguez etc) who is yet to really impact on our 3 league games since his arrival. Not a slight on Alli, who may yet prove spectacular... but was he what we needed?
Gonna be a tight run thing, I fear, this season.
194 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:39:50
That 1st half game in the first half at our old ground – Pickford's clanger. The Wolves goal aside, Kean's header v Wolves away last season, and Damarai's goal v Arsenal this season.
I struggle to see what the minimum he brings to any squad, even from the bench. He's playing like he's got the old 2-stone diving boots on.
Barca, are no mugs. But I also see as the injury woes, which are annual at Everton, also warrant all fit players to be available for playing.
But dereliction of duty consistently each season, surely warrants that he will never be reliable.
'Reliable' in football is not the same as skill, and vision, but Gomes and he's not alone in context with this squad, will never be reliable for Everton.
Frank and his Staff, have a massive battle of hearts and minds with this squad to overcome, if this squad has any decent chance of over coming the remaining fixtures and getting 7 wins.
195 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:41:36
I don't believe that many have 'given up'. What I saw last week against Leeds filled me with hope that we had more than enough to stay up; what I saw today and at Newcastle filled me with dread that we won't get enough wins to keep us up.
If a team is averaging below a point per game this far into the season, they are in trouble and we like the others around us are in really big trouble. I've never seen an Everton side that offers so little going forward away from the confines of Goodison Park add that to attrocious defending and I'd like to know what makes you think we will be safe by virtue of three worse teams if our current form continues?
Of course we could hit an unexpected run of form, but that's the issue – it would be unexpected.
196 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:46:31
197 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:50:25
There are some in our squad who only turn up when they are playing at home. They know who they are.
198 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:52:41
Lampard needs to start assessing game by game. Iwobi and Gomes will never play 2 decent games on the bounce; Kenny has a great heart but needs to play on the right; Mykolenko is the only natural left-footer in the squad, play him.
199 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:53:56
200 Posted 19/02/2022 at 21:59:48
Sam @193, I've just had a browse of the defensive / holding midfielders who moved in January. Guimaraes (way too expensive) and Zakaria (can't compete with the draw of Juve) would have been good but nothing else of note so far as I can see. Maybe Ricci (good but very young and inexperienced) moving to Torino on loan.
It is possible, I suppose, that the right players just weren't available. As things stand though, it was a (yet another) weird selection of players to have brought in.
Personally, I would play Holgate as a holding midfielder away from home and play Branthwaite in his place at centre-half. That gives Allan the freedom to hunt for the ball, and Van de Beek the freedom to get forward – knowing there is some cover. Temporary measure until we can get a specialist for this position in summer.
201 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:00:08
202 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:04:24
This is definitely the bleak midwinter. The results were terrible for us today. Our upcoming fixtures look ominous with our form and white flag mentality.
I just hope we survive. Screw everything else – including the Cup and whatever the RS win. Time is running out and we are heading over a big fucking cliff, Thelma and Louise style.
Then again, “just surviving” is all we've done for 26 years.
Maybe Gomes is a perfect fit for us!
203 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:04:50
In defence of Calvert-Lewin, he wasn't the only one that was shite again today.
204 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:04:58
Donny van de Beek would not have had a better game if he was 5 yards further forward, or 7 yards to his right or left. He was shite all over the field today, even when he found himself in your preferred position.
Football is not as scientific as some seem to think.
205 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:10:07
“The players don't have to worry about the price of food, gas etc. They don't have to concern themselves whether they will lose their jobs at the drop of a hat, or any of the other things that ordinary people have to deal with on a daily basis.”
I couldn't agree more – just seen a video clip of Mbappe being served a £1,500 gold-leafed steak in London. What a prick!
206 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:12:58
207 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:14:32
Frank seems to be suggesting it's the fear factor creeping in away from home. Personally, I think that is too simplistic but pathetic if true.
208 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:17:06
Aspinall was a real man and played in a title-winning team,
209 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:17:21
Do you think Donny van de Beek might have played better with someone like Fabinho mopping up behind him? I certainly do.
210 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:18:47
Time to find out if Onyango can step up. Same with Dobbin if Calvert-Lewin, Richarlson or Van de Beek flatter to deceive again. Here's hoping Gray and Doucouré limp us over the line somehow.
211 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:20:27
212 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:20:35
Our best defensive midfielders in recent memory:
Gana Gueye – unheralded at relegated Aston Villa, true worth only valued by all after his sale.
Garath Barry – much derided upon arrival, a past-it has-been who never was that much... how little we knew. A Rolls-Royce in midfield for 18 months before his age really caught up on him.
James McCarthy – the only one who could be seen as 'big money'. Solid player, simple game of hard work and hard running and energy. From relegated Wigan. Was a key player before terrible injuries.
Lee Carsley – unheralded midfielder with career of relegation and lower league football but became a key element of Moyes' early years.
Mark Pembridge – unheralded budget signing from Portugal after unspectacular years with lowly Derby County and Sheffield Wednesday but hard working and hard running made him a key player for a struggling club.
When we've spent big – Dacourt, Nyarko (in the Smith years), Schneiderlin, Gbamin, Gomes, Allan and Co it's generally not worked out.
Look at Southampton today. Oriel Romeu was arguably the best player on the pitch. He was everywhere, but there is nothing spectacular about him. He cost £5 million, signed to replace our favourite Frenchman, Schneiderlin, who then signed for £23 million 2 years later.
That's what we need in midfield. We need a hard-working, hard-running player who plays a simple game.
213 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:20:59
I'm sure he could produce a brilliant side given the best players and a patient owner, but I'm not convinced he has a clue how to coach a dreadful ragtag squad like this away from relegation.
214 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:23:01
215 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:23:07
Players nowadays get rewarded before they actually achieve anything. Young players in the early '80s, when I started watching football, had to clean the changing rooms after matches, and clean the players' boots.
I hate this new Premier League crap today. It's totally ruined football for me. Yes, I still support Everton but my interest in the game is definitely diminishing.
216 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:24:02
We have to dig in and I expect us to escape – just. Then I think this manager is going to re-build us into a side of which we can be proud. Everything I've seen of Lampard shows a man for whom defeat is agonising.
We absolutely must stick together despite the dickheads we've got playing for us. Buckle up.
ps: We're going to win the FA Cup.
217 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:24:37
I just ask simple things: pass to a blue shirt, chase back when not in possession, put a decent tackle in when given the chance, inspire your team mates with a no-nonsense aggressive midfield performance,
Van de Beek did none of that today, Fabinho in the team or not.
218 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:25:30
I don't think any fan would give up. I have a terrible habit of looking at statistical data and performance and sadly it will take a big effort.
Sorry, I don't believe our get-out clause is that there are 3 worse teams. Sadly, the marathon of the season is coming to the last 5 miles and we are at the back.
I think realism has to be faced: 2 months ago, I wouldn't have entertained relegation but my gut is telling me it's very real. For me, this would be the great escape. Why? It's the end of February and no momentum going forward with positive results.
It's better to face the possibility of relagation now as the shock come May won't be as sad if is does happen. We need to be difficult to play against. It's a wait-and-see moment.
219 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:27:02
I don't believe that any manager of any experience could train this rag tag bunch of players, because the players attitude is so wrong at times it defies belief.
Regardless of what happens in the next 15 matches, I do believe that Lampard will prove to be a good appointment for Everton long-term, but I am as worried as the next person about the short-term. Lampard isn't the issue at this juncture; it's his players.
220 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:28:20
221 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:29:30
Everton made Southampton look good today, but they're a decent team, not a great team, but they work hard and keep a steady tempo through the game.
Everton made it far too easy but, like a broken record, it's the predictable lazy passes, poor verbal communications, lack of game management, in almost every game, which is making this season so difficult.
Frank, this could be your football life but I know you'll deliver. This is your toughest match yet, for this season at least.
But I do believe, via the unique Goodison Park atmosphere, that Everton can prevail this season.
222 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:30:28
223 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:30:36
224 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:33:21
I'll take beating Man City next Saturday, thank-you very much; the title race is not about Everton. Everton staying up is paramount, regardless of where the title ends up.
Best-case scenario is that we beat all of the Top 3 in the coming months, that would mean so much to us and would have a neutral effect on the outcome of the title race. Nurse! Nurse! More meds please!
225 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:35:33
Why worry what Liverpool do?
It really puzzles me why fans worry about that lot. I couldn't care less if they win everything going. I have 2 RS brothers and, believe me, we are totally insignificant to them.
226 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:36:21
227 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:40:29
Why did Gordon dive when in a great position after about 5 minutes? Richarlison's first touch after about 2 minutes, and then the VAR penalty decision, does anyone know what handball looks like now?
I do believe that Lampard needs to be more pragmatic away from home. Southampton matched us with a 4-4-2 but their 4 in the middle are all hard-working centre-midfielders. Today, Iwobi and Gordon didn't help out Van de Beek or Allan.
Alli also looks miles off the pace of the game. We need to play 4-5-1 away from home.
I wasn't surprised to see Allan go off for Gomes; I also wasn't surprised to see Gomes have a negative impact on the game.
The first time in the game when Holdgate plays a pass to gomes and the ball is in the net.
As good as what Pickford was, I think he could have done better with both goals.
Southampton where better but, more alarmingly Lampard should have tried something to change things.
It's getting tight down at the bottom now. Newcastle will pull clear. Burnley, Brentford, Norwich, us, Leeds maybe Palace will get pulled into this as well.
My MotM: Pickford.
228 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:42:22
I didn't say I was worried and I agree with Barry @ 224, I'll take an Everton win all day every day.
I was just stating a fact of what the League Table looks like. I take an interest in the whole of the Premier League table. It's why I support Everton. It's not a contest without the rest of the teams and we become redundant.
229 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:44:33
230 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:45:02
No dispute over the result though. But for Pickford, we'd have been 2-0 down by half time.
231 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:45:15
We need Doucoure back.
How many players are out of contract after this season? Can't wait to see a big clear out and restart.
232 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:47:20
Barry, you're nuts!
233 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:48:51
234 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:51:59
I'm not you know and I have a sanity certificate to prove it, mind you even I'm doubting its authenticity.
235 Posted 19/02/2022 at 22:54:28
I'm just hoping in 18 months time, the underperforming crass inept players will have left, and the team performs like a well-drilled outfit. I honestly believe we have the manager (at last) to deliver this.
236 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:01:16
The last 3 away games, we have been easily beaten.
I feared the worst at half-time seeing Gomes coming on. That was a poor decision from Frank.
237 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:01:22
Your name's not on the certificate.
I suggest you send it to the Liver Building, to be completed by Mr Moshiri's secretary.
238 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:04:08
I'm pretty sure that's where mine was sent from.
239 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:06:25
240 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:20:40
Still, he's only here for the entirety of Lampard's contract isn't he, on mega-bucks, so nowt to worry about, I suppose.
241 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:22:55
The added issue will be that both are likely to be squeezed in Thursday games at some point. Burnley is already waiting to be rescheduled and, assuming we best Boreham Wood, the Watford game will also be rescheduled.
242 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:28:49
I just want to survive this season so Lampard can bring in his own players. I sincerely hope Doucoure and, perhaps Donny van de Beek are the only two current central midfield players we keep.
243 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:42:50
This performance was an absolute disgrace. It looked like our players did not want to play fotball today. Football is a team game, meaning you have to do things together, pass, move, press etc.
Why the hell on earth can we not press the opposing team together? There is always a mismatch when we press, and it seems half-hearted. You do not win games in the Premier League unless you give 100%. Today looked like maybe 60%. That wont do it in League Two.
Passing. How come we cannot make easy passes? We had a problem getting over the half-way line. What is that all about?
I mean seriously. It cannot only be the manager's fault. There must be something else that does not work behind the scenes in our club. This is just not professional at all.
I expect 100% from every player every game, nothing else. Not 95%, it should be 100%, every single game. I don't want to waste my time watching players not trying to do their best.
I don't want to hear its Kenwright's fault. There is no use looking back. What do we do from here with the players and staff we have. What is the problem of this inability to perform more than 1 or 2 games out of 10? Do we need mental help? What is it? Should Richarlison try to look a little more happy than he does? I don't know what it is.
244 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:44:31
Plus in '77 on the steps of St George's Hall, after their first European Cup win, Hughes led the chant "Liverpool are magic, Everton are tragic".
Sorry about the history lesson but maybe you live away and don't get the venom coming our way.
246 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:53:50
247 Posted 19/02/2022 at 23:59:05
248 Posted 19/02/2022 at 00:03:36
What is it with Everton and buying the so-called Top 6 rejects? Do we ever learn?
249 Posted 19/02/2022 at 00:07:17
In which case, he was the wrong player to bring in, in the middle of a relegation battle. If we do stay up, I expect that we'll be buying 2 new full-backs in the summer.
250 Posted 19/02/2022 at 00:08:31
251 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:11:35
252 Posted 19/02/2022 at 00:12:51
Today, at Southampton, Everton were crying out for another midfielder instead of Allan after half-time; Gomes was preferred instead. Upfront, where Everton fared worse, without a shot on target, what position could Dele Alli really have had? Can he play alongside a striker or just behind the striker?
Whatever position Lampard envisages Dele Alli playing in, he will have start playing soon to justify his transfer fee and salary and help get Everton out of the relegation threat.
253 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:13:41
Up till the early hours, the forecast was storms and severe wind gusts and seeing some footage of planes trying to land was hair-raising, could well be the players were air-sick even at the thought of flying?
Any comments from anyone that made the trip down there? Personally, I am just thankful the team got home safely. COYB
254 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:19:38
255 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:23:03
256 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:35:24
Given the choice, I'd have the gust of wind any day, much more reliable! :-)
257 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:35:48
Gomes being selected is a huge worry… how can Lampard not see what we all see?
And Calvert-Lewin thinks he's way better than he is. Iwobi was average at best last week, he did what any average player would do, but because it was marginally better than his usual Sunday League standard, everyone gets excited. How has this great football clubs standards fallen so low!
Our January transfer dealings are looking like the final death knell. I wouldn't be surprised if we finished rock bottom of the Premier League because everyone below us have better players, look better organised, look fitter, and have more character and fight.
Our sole and only chance of escaping this nightmare is Goodison and the home support.
258 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:43:14
I just watched Frank's post-match interview and it was brutally honest. I like this guy and, more importantly, I trust him. He's learning and will integrate and use Alli when the time is right.
He knows the problems and will sort them out if anyone can. You are probably right about Calvert-Lewin being over-rated but he's not fit yet.
One thing is for sure: if the team tunes into the defeatism on this website, we are doomed. But don't think we are.
259 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:47:05
Who cares what they do. We need as many points as we can possibly get and I don't care what the outcome is of any Everton victory, other than it benefits and improves Everton's position.
260 Posted 20/02/2022 at 00:59:40
The time to use Dele Alli is now if he is that good for Everton to commit spending £40 million pounds on. I have my reservations about Dele Alli because he does not fill any position at the beginning of any games. He comes on later as a sub in no real position.
Basically, Everton need another midfielder in place of Allan. Or another striker because I don't know where Dominic Calvert-Lewin's next goal is coming from.
261 Posted 20/02/2022 at 01:08:51
As Blues, we are all desperate for any green shoots. For our sins, we love the club and can't (well, I can't) switch it off and not let them ruin the weekend or week.
Health and family are far more important I'm told but if the unthinkable happens someone remind me of that.
The last two managers made the quote "I'm not a magician." Didn't rate either of them for different reasons. Somehow, Frank has to learn fast... as in 'Now'!
262 Posted 20/02/2022 at 01:25:38
I'd be giving Patterson a go, but it does make you wonder if we've been rinsed by Rangers. The lad's barely played in the Scottish league and impressed in a handful of internationals.
I think the omission says more about Patterson's current level than Coleman's form, which has been 'inconsistent', to put it kindly.
263 Posted 20/02/2022 at 01:49:56
Frank said today he doesn't have a magic wand….
264 Posted 20/02/2022 at 02:58:11
The problem is that he may not know how to solve it any more than all those who have preceded him. He is just as confused as I am – and I am really confused.
Help is needed from above.
265 Posted 20/02/2022 at 06:40:45
266 Posted 20/02/2022 at 08:25:12
He may have said he didn't have a magic wand, or say 'Abracadabra' but he most definitely didn't say 'Izzy wizzy, let's get busy'! :-)
267 Posted 20/02/2022 at 08:35:22
I know, that when Gomes was getting his tête-à-tête with Clement during Southampton's 60/70-minute rest and recovery break, he (Clement) did not look happy at all.
268 Posted 20/02/2022 at 09:46:02
They didn't even show Calvert-Lewin's disallowed goal; I thought at the time he fouled the keeper, but think it was offside?
Not making excuses, they were poor, all of them! Think we're gonna be Jekyll and Hyde for the rest of the season and we will be relying on other results around us.
269 Posted 20/02/2022 at 10:25:59
The new stadium (which I believe to be essential to the future of the Club) may not proceed any further if we are relegated. The project may also be at risk from sanctions against Russia.
Many of our players lack the requisite level of skill to perform consistently in the Premier League. Many also lack the heart. We desperately needed to bring in experience and commitment at centre back and defensive midfield in January, but didnt. We are where we are, stuck with those limited resources.
It promises to be a wild 3 months. The new coaching team, and that 12th man, have much work to do.
270 Posted 20/02/2022 at 10:38:40
Everyone can have an off-day, that's human, but some of these lucky jokers have an off-year or two and walk home as millionaires. It's just not right at all.
Look at yesterday: all of or fans (thousands) travelled down to Southampton in atrocious conditions, putting more effort into that, to be treated to a lacklustre performance by many of our so-called superstars.
Glad to hear Charles is on the upward curve. I will never forget the surprise phone call I got from him after being hospitalised myself for almost a week, wishing me a speedy recovery and then passing me on to Graeme Stuart, who I talked with for a good quarter-of-an-hour. Top Man!
Must be a Mills Family trait, take care, mate.
271 Posted 20/02/2022 at 10:46:00
I think you're correct that relegation would at best delay the building of the new stadium; at worst, it could be cancelled altogether.
As for sanctions against Russian Oligarchs, there could be a case to argue that Everton are already being punished with some of the bad VAR calls they've had this season...
Seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if the current owners already have a get-out clause and may sell the club on to other less controversial owners, whichever league Everton are playing in next season.
The only people who truly care about Everton on the pitch, are those fans who make up that 12th man. the constant element that this team, seemingly, relies upon so much.
272 Posted 20/02/2022 at 11:40:31
I mentioned after the Leeds game that I wondered if this squad could put back-to-back performances together as they had let a succession of coaches down. Here is the answer. This group confound expectation, they are fickle and lack character.
They pulled out a performance against Leeds because the crowd were up for it. They all know they will be swept aside by the Mancs next week.
Lampard could have talked to anyone in Goodsion Park and they could have told him that Iwobi and Gomes were incapable of consistency. Our super-slow Brazillian needs pace around him and, despite his heart and brain, he is simply off the pace, chugging behind quicker men.
Gomes is worse as he has no heart, he pulls and pushes, gives away free kicks, collecting yellows for his sticker album.
This midfield is so dreafull but Lampard criticised the defence for hoofing it over the top to the forwards!
Lampard is slowly becoming aware of just how frustrating it's been for the rest of us for ages.
273 Posted 20/02/2022 at 11:50:36
274 Posted 20/02/2022 at 11:59:00
We're really lacking a defensive midfielder, but he had only one day to bring in players.
Regarding Alli, he's a No 10, didn't cost us £40M. At the moment, he's free. Next season, he will cost us £10M; if he's a complete success, it will then cost us £40M.
275 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:03:48
Unless Lampard moves the team further up the pitch in away games, we are in deep deep shit. The teams below us are winning away. If we don't, then we will go down.
276 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:09:37
That is until we get on the pitch and Z-Cars has stopped. 😜💙
277 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:47:00
So my thought is, give the young pretenders a game away from home and only play the gutless at home where the crowd can lift them. There might be a few surprises and answers to some of the myriad of problems.
All we got yesterday was a masterclass in "playing with zero ability" and "is passing a vital attribute in football" this £multimillion bunch of misfits are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the name Everton.
I honestly and heavy-heartedly cannot believe that this lot can get us out of the relegation zone, in fact they showed all the attributes to guarantee relegation. The stupid thing about this club is, if we are relegated, a club managed by a man fired by Everton will probably replace us.
I know he will be well paid and compensated if he fails, but I feel sorry for Frank Lampard having to make a sow's ear out of the silk-purse-priced pretenders at his disposal.
279 Posted 20/02/2022 at 13:12:57
Allan isn't the quickest and also gets exposed but he is more positionally aware than Gomes so less so.
Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea do not have immobile players. Sometimes you can mask it for a while in a game but over 90 minutes you get found out and are under the cosh.
That's when Gomes really annoys me by turning a nothing situation into something goal-threatening with yet another stupid foul when he is wrong side of his man. You need to do the whole job if you want to be in a Top 6 team – not just be good with the ball.
280 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:21:36
A huge thank you to Duncan McDine for arranging for me to take someone's spare ticket, a thoroughly nice fella to boot and I got to meet some other ToffeeWeb regulars too, including Paul Smith who I watched the game with. I enjoyed chatting to you, Paul, even if we spent most of the game despairing at what unfolded in front of us! I left in a hurry, reeling from what I had just witnessed.
Now to the match. I thought we were excellent for the first 15 minutes. We harried, closed down and showed commitment. I really thought we were going to win this game. I should know better by now and realise that we don't have to go a goal down for the players to shit themselves and retreat into their shells.
It appears that all it takes is for the opposition to repel us for a bit and for things to not go our way. Frank is right, it is mental weakness. We receded gradually from the 20th minute and got progressively worse as a consequence. No leaders on the pitch.
I thought we had a genuine shout for a penalty when Gordon was felled in the box; I would have liked to have seen a replay on that. I may well have seen it with blue specs on but I anyway felt the ref gave us nothing yesterday and the booking for Allan was inconsistent with other decisions he made.
We looked so so poor in the middle of the park, time and time again they were by-passed by a decent Saints team who we should not be fearing on paper.
For me, it's 4-5-1 till the end of the season, at least for away games. Richarlison, Gray and Gordon can alternate on the flanks and we must pack that midfield. Allan, Van de Beek and Doucouré should be able to provide enough guile in there to keep some possession.
We would need to play with a high (ish) line and make sure the wingers give a lot of attacking support to Calvert-Lewin (who was poor yesterday, needs time). Maybe in the summer we can buy Gilmour and loan Gallagher and play a bit more like how Frank wants us to.
Holgate was pretty woeful yesterday. Paul and I counted at least 6 times he had a simple clearing header completely unchallenged and he nodded it tamely to an opposing player, putting us unnecessarily in danger each time.
There was no movement, especially in the 2nd half, and the ball nothing more than a hot potato; this lot couldn't keep a secret let alone a football.
I enjoyed the atmosphere and meeting some fellow Blues; the performance, however, was very troubling. I have rejected the relegation fears until now; suddenly, with Man City on the horizon and the way the results went yesterday, it's looking a real threat.
I will finish by saying that yesterday highlighted to me the commitment required and shown by our faithful away support, week-in & week-out; I am full of admiration, keep it up, Blues!
281 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:26:36
Again, we were overrun in midfield – if we can really call it a midfield. When we do get the ball, we rarely find a blue shirt and are constantly on the back foot. There are no leaders on the pitch and we must be, in fact we are, one of the easiest sides to play against in the Premier League.
Pickford is being criticised for constantly playing the ball long but what alternative does he have? The players in front of him just cannot retain the ball and move it up the pitch. They either lose it or the ball ends up being played back to him to punt upfield.
Like many others, I was amazed when Gomes was the sub for Allan. He was so inept, I fully expected him to be dragged off himself but at least Lampard now knows what we've all known for a long time. Gomes is unable to retain the ball and gives up countless silly fouls in dangerous areas. He should never be on the team sheet again.
Likewise Iwobi, who reverted to type... but those two aren't alone. We have too many players who just accept defeat. The only player who has a go at others is the much-maligned Pickford. I just wish we had others of his type further up the pitch instead of the bunch of losers we're saddled with.
If we survive, and even if we don't, we need a mass clearout both on the pitch and of the hierarchy who are ultimately responsible for the shambles of a club we are.
282 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:35:19
Now when things aren't going your way, it can create something out of nothing, but Calvert-Lewin was isolated and just unable to hold it up yesterday and find anyone else. When fit and sharp, he can usually do that very well.
He will go to Arsenal in the summer, I fear.
283 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:57:51
I know Jordan isn't everyone's cup of tea but how many times has he come out quickly with the ball, looking for a quick pass, only to stop when he realises there's no movement in front of him?
284 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:58:54
Be careful, Frank – you don't do the same, persevering with gobshites like Gomes. No matter how tidy he looks between the cones through the week, he should never ever be near the bench again.
285 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:24:46
We have got to try and get maximum points in those two games, that will either give us daylight, or right amongst the shit.
All games are important but, make no mistake, that week is going to be the one that either saves us, or draws us closer to the unthinkable. Once, if we get there, I see no team of fighters, to drag us out of it.
Look at Leeds, 2-0 down, now 2-2, could you see this set of players at 2-0 down, fighting to get back to 2-2? No matter how the Leeds game ends, they at least fought back.
We meanwhile just go into our shell and heads drop.
286 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:31:28
If we are visiting Vicarage Road on 19 March, we'll have suffered one of our worst ever cup results, because that weekend is the date for the Sixth Round of the FA Cup.
287 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:35:23
I thought them kopite kids defeat was the pits but we keep on outdoing even that.
288 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:50:17
That's not going to happen.
289 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:50:25
I wasn't saying it was just Pickford, the long balls started with him and that mantle was carried by the entire defence thereafter. It just showed a lack of ideas and belief.
290 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:28:55
Not one of them, I suspect, will have felt an iota of shame. Not one of them have it in them to feel guilty about the Blues who gave their all to travel and support them. They are shameless. A second-rate collection of spineless specimens who could relegate our club and fuck off.
There is not a man among them.
291 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:32:01
If the weather and traffic wasn't bad enough, we had to witness a disappointing performance, especially second half. I had real high hopes going there; a feeling that this was different with Frank in charge but it was the same old: poor pass placement, being bullied off the ball, the wrong formations, poor replacements, and not one shot on target. The away fans were subdued and in shock. The Saints fans gave it to us with the final chant of “Going Down” as the final whistle went.
My mate, who's a Saints fan and was there, texted that our first sub won it for them. I think he's right.
292 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:37:59
That's true, let's get past Borham Wood so that at least gives us breathing space, instead of facing Watford a couple of days after Newcastle.
293 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:43:40
When did we last follow up a good win at home with the same level of performance away from home? Yesterday was very similar to Palace away and Newcastle away.
When we play like we did against Leeds, we need to keep our feet on the ground for the next game because we still have an awful lot of players who simply dont show up too often or make basic errors in key stages of games.
Very worrying when you look at the number of so-called winnable games that are left.
294 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:50:42
295 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:51:03
Even if it was a nothing game, I would still want Everton to beat Man City, now we simply have to try and somehow put in a performance, to try and pick points up. Easier said than done, but we just cannot sit back and let Man City run through our midfield, we need to press them high and keep them as far away from our goal as possible. Same tempo and hard press we did against Leeds.
We should have Gray back and Doucouré not far from returning in the next few weeks.
Thankfully, there are still quite a few games left, just not sure why we have not given Onyango a go from the bench for a longer spell, instead of keep going with Gomes.
Our home games are a must to pick up as many points as we can. I just cannot see us winning, or even drawing too many away from Goodison.
296 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:56:42
My point is Pickford is regularly criticised for his long ball but, when you look at the stiffs in front of him, it's probably his only reasonable outlet most times.
297 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:58:50
298 Posted 20/02/2022 at 17:05:07
We just have moderate players. We don't have 3 players to fill 3 midfield slots at the moment. Allan is slow, Gomes is slower... so, until Doucouré returns, we have a problem in that sector.
15 games to go and the ones against Newcastle, Brentford, Watford and Burnley will be crucial. Worryingly, Newcastle and Burnley are playing better than us recently so we may need to finish ahead of Brentford to survive.
299 Posted 20/02/2022 at 17:13:19
That's a very big handicap which means at best we are playing to finish mid-table each season. We only need a few injuries or signings to be poor and we are right in trouble.
We will stay up okay, I'm confident of that, because there's enough clubs struggling maybe a little more than us.
300 Posted 20/02/2022 at 18:29:42
So Ive been supporting Everton for 38 years, seen the glory and witnessed the nail biting relegation scraps. In a relegation scrap you look for characters so Im giving my views based on the squad we have and in particular who we have available.
My view on our fixtures:
Man City (H) Loss
Spurs (A) Loss
Wolves (H) Not confident but has to be a Win
Newcastle (H) again has to be a win
Watford (A) Draw
West Ham (A) Loss
Man Utd (H) Draw
Palace (H) Win
Liverpool (A) Loss
Chelsea (H) Loss
Leicester (A) Loss
Brentford (H) Win
Arsenal (A) Loss
Thats 14 points putting us on 36 is that enough😬😬 no doubt about it realistically were going to have to find a way of getting points away from home.
The Chelsea and Man Utd games Im thinking we will get something out of one of those only given they are at home.
301 Posted 20/02/2022 at 18:46:27
302 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:14:05
I think we may need to pick up a win away from home somewhere – ideally not at Arsenal last game of the season
303 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:17:22
What we need is someone to teach the players a "winning mentality". It seem like this is missing somewhere. We need a mental trainer. Not only for the players but for backroom staff.
We need to learn to think right and work hard. I don't know which one is missing. Maybe both? It can't bé a coincidence that all other teams seem to run more and faster than us.
Maybe we need a clear-out of our club mentality? A clear-out of players won't change anything.
304 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:41:31
As pleased as I am to see his improvement, I've noticed repeatedly his efforts, and very poor ones at that, to con the ref into giving us free-kicks and penalties.
Yesterday, he had a good chance to create a goal chance but instead tried to put his leg out to invite the tackle and then jumped on the ground when it didn't come. Embarrassing.
He needs to be told quickly to use the ball as we're not getting too many of these chances.
305 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:57:35
Which backroom staff would that be? Benitez's guys have all gone as far as I know and Lampard has replaced them with his own people. The likes of Baines, Ferguson, Unsworth et al will likely have little to do with the first-team squad, save reiterating what Lampard and his staff want to be done.
As for the players themselves, they've had Silva, Allardyce, Benitez, Ancelotti et al and they haven't learned anything about a winning mentality; I don't believe it can be taught anyhow.
What I see in this squad is a lot of wannabe top players without the internal desire and work ethic to make them achieve it for themselves. I also see quite a few of them believing they are doing Everton FC a favour merely by being at the club.
From that perspective, only a clear-out – which will take time, money and correct replacements being hired – will have a positive impact on the playing side for Everton FC. We could be talking 3 to 5 years to arrest the slide and begin anew.
306 Posted 20/02/2022 at 20:03:13
Maybe you're correct but, if you replace half a dozen players and bring in some players with character, then I personally think it changes very quickly.
The biggest thing any sportsman needs to really improve is consistency, and I think this is where we are at right now.
How can certain players improve, when they are playing with others who are clearly not brave enough, and also not quite good enough?
Sometimes it looks like we are awful; then, at other times, it looks like we have got a few good players, who just need a few more better players, to help the squad really improve.
Yesterday was shocking but, the game before, we were good, and I think this was because the players who we know are not good enough, all had really good games against Leeds?
Calvert-Lewin hasn't got properly going since his injury, but on a good day, with Richarlison and Gray both playing either side of him, I'd expect them to be able to give most teams problems, especially with Dele Alli spearheading a three-man midfield?
Lampard has just got to learn fast, and hopefully the energetic Doucouré coming back into our midfield, will also give us a boost, just as long as we don't continue playing with just two players in this very important area of the pitch!
307 Posted 20/02/2022 at 20:45:30
The bottom line is what you want to be. We need players that want to become the best or top notch football players. I think in everyday life, also when you are a football player, it is easy to get lost. So guidance is good.
If you realize you have to work very hard to become the best, you will work hard.
If you don't work hard, either you do not want to be the best or you are just not smart enough to realize you have to work hard to get good.
If you do not believe you can get good, you have to tell people they can get good. Because most people can get very good.
My point is that I am sure that ALL our players in our squad can get better. We have to help them to get better.
So several things to work with here.
1. You can motivate people to want to become the best or a top level player. If you do not want to become a good player you will never be.
2. You can learn players that in order to become the best you have to work hard.
3. You can teach players how to think. For young people it feels like a lifetime between 20 - 30. But for real it is not a lifetime. Time moves very fast. If you want to be a good player you have a limited time, so you cannot waste any time here.
4. You can teach players how to train.
And so on.
If the leaders in our club not constantly are working with all these points it is pretty easy to fall through. My feeling is that something is lacking somewhere. Since I am not working in the club I do not know where.
All I know is that we should be able to squeeze better football out of our squad. There are talent, but somthing is lacking. Maybe motivation, or mental strength. But this can be worked with.
308 Posted 20/02/2022 at 20:58:52
Football is a lot of psychology. To make a team work well is not easy.
Maybe the most demoralizing thing is to watch team players not do 100%. I that is the case the sickness spreads around quickly. Why shoud you work your ass of when it does not get the desired effect when all other players do not care?
To me, when I play football, there is no more irritating thing than teammates not trying to do 100%.
Last game, we looked lost. It looked half hearted when we were pressing. That does not work. All players did not do 100%. We did not press in good jointly fashion etc. This is up the manager to fix. And this should be pretty easy to fix.
1. You train the team how to press.
2. You motivate them to want to do it.
3. You teach them to believe they can do it
This is really only motivation and psychological factors and training behind this problem. Nothing else as I see it. We could do this to Leeds we can do it to Southampton.
309 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:08:17
I sincerely hope that you are correct, Frank and his coaches get us functioning better and we can re-assess in the summer.
310 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:16:48
We saw it with Martinez, too nice, apart from the Baines one, he never hung out the players and even now never has a bad word about our club, then you had Koeman, totally different, never blaming himself, always the players fault, Silva, Sam, Ancolotti, Benitez, none of those could get these players getting a steady run of wins, last half of season under Carlo we struggled to get a run going.
Now we have had Lampard in, putting his arms around every single player, teaching them the basics of high pressing, simple passing and winning the ball back.
We saw against Brentford in the cup, then Leeds at home they can do it, but its like all the good work is undone, as soon as we go a goal down, all thought process goes out of the window, the passing, the winning the ball back, the confidence, the lot vanishes, players hide, let their heads drop, get rid of the ball, as soon as it lands anywhere near them.
Ive said it before 6 previous managers have tried, every single time after the new Manager syndrome, some players go back into the could not give a half toss mode, they lack confidence, these players need a head shrink coming in, they have the ability, but for whatever reason a bit of psychological awareness needs putting in some of the players heads.
311 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:32:33
Changing the mentality of this club isn't about clearing people out (unless you've got an out-and-out malcontent poisoning the waters, which we don't). It's about who you bring in. Character is contagious. Drive is contagious. Confidence is contagious.
It's too easy to say "clear out the deadwood" as if it's a cure-all solution for something.
But Peter #307, the problem isn't "the leaders in our club not constantly are working with all these points" -- the problem is there ARE no leaders. There's nobody to take charge on the pitch, nobody to light the fire. We haven't had a true captain's captain in years. Pip was the last.
312 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:37:03
“In both home games [Brentford and Leeds] weve been testing the keeper all over the place,” Lampard replied when asked about his sides struggles in front of goal. “What is that? Do we need our 40,000 fans, that incredible support at home? It is great when we are at home but when we go away we have to find another way. “That isnt an overnight change. Southampton have been together for four years [under manager Ralph Hasenhuttl] and had their own difficult periods. It takes time from a coaching point of view. “But in terms of results, we havent got that much time, so we have to find ways. There is a long way to go, we have games on our side and we must stay in the Premier League. “But there in no point in me and the players looking at the bigger picture, rather than addressing what is right in front of us."
“What is that? Do we need our 40,000 fans, that incredible support at home? It is great when we are at home but when we go away we have to find another way.
“That isnt an overnight change. Southampton have been together for four years [under manager Ralph Hasenhuttl] and had their own difficult periods. It takes time from a coaching point of view.
“But in terms of results, we havent got that much time, so we have to find ways. There is a long way to go, we have games on our side and we must stay in the Premier League.
“But there in no point in me and the players looking at the bigger picture, rather than addressing what is right in front of us."
Lampard said: "I am here for a reason because we are down in a position we don't want to be in. In the two games at Goodison I have seen some really good things, in the two games away, not so much. "We started the second half brightly. An individual mistake demands a reaction, not just a playing reaction but a mentality reaction and I didn't feel that from them [the players] today. “I know they are good lads and want to react but sometimes when you have been in a hard run away from home it is easy to seep back into. The players need to understand that second half is not good enough. “It is not good enough to lose second balls consistently, it is not good enough to try and miss out [midfield] and play to the strikers. "It has to be an option but it can't be the way we play. We will have days like this. It is important to learn the lessons. "I had to speak to them because I have been very positive and as staff we have had an uplift. But today we drifted back into being a team I don't want us to be so the players need to hear it. You learn more from a defeat than a win."
"We started the second half brightly. An individual mistake demands a reaction, not just a playing reaction but a mentality reaction and I didn't feel that from them [the players] today.
“I know they are good lads and want to react but sometimes when you have been in a hard run away from home it is easy to seep back into. The players need to understand that second half is not good enough.
“It is not good enough to lose second balls consistently, it is not good enough to try and miss out [midfield] and play to the strikers.
"It has to be an option but it can't be the way we play. We will have days like this. It is important to learn the lessons.
"I had to speak to them because I have been very positive and as staff we have had an uplift. But today we drifted back into being a team I don't want us to be so the players need to hear it. You learn more from a defeat than a win."
313 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:38:54
I thought the same of Ben Godfrey early last season although I am not as sure now. You are right, we need someone to lead us on the pitch.
314 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:48:45
315 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:50:12
316 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:06:05
Charlie has always been someone who will do a good turn for anyone, and Graham is a genuinely nice guy. They will be glad the call was well-received. Best wishes to you.
317 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:12:04
Hahaha. Well they won the game. If thats not good for you, maybe you should do something else than sports. Hahaha.
The one and only thing playing football is about is winning.
If any of our players are so stupid they thought that the work rate against Leeds was too much for them they are seriosly retarded. I don't think we have players that are that stupid... but who knows hahahah :-))
318 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:13:26
319 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:17:11
320 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:20:37
321 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:20:37
Southampton could play the ball around too easy. There was a whole all the time somewhere in the pressing. We did not run fast enough. The team did not follow Richarlison fast enough. If they were tired, did not know what to do, I don't know.
Then when things do not work, it is very easy to get demoralized.
I don't know but it looks like we are not well trained enough.
It is not easy. Klopp and Liverpool did not get this done in a day. What strikes me is how we are so behind almost every other team on this.
But what is sure. We need to practise pressing of the game a lot, because it has to get better if we want to compete at a high level in 2022.
322 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:31:58
323 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:39:24
I dont think Ive ever watched the Wizard of Oz but common knowledge suggests weve got the cowardly lion as Iwobi and the Tinman as Gomes.
JJK is lower league standard so Lampard just has to stop them getting anywhere near our squad or we are royally screwed.
324 Posted 20/02/2022 at 23:41:20
325 Posted 21/02/2022 at 00:52:11
I agree being relegated may cause a short term problem with the ground but I believe it would have to go ahead to add value to the club as a sellable asset to enable Moshiri to get his money back.
Any sanctions against Russia wouldn't affect Usmanov as he's Uzbekistani and Moshiri is Anglo Iranian.
326 Posted 21/02/2022 at 01:03:01
And you should watch the Wizard of Oz once, because those two characters prove their courage and heart at the end of the movie.
327 Posted 21/02/2022 at 05:06:00
Effort or psychology its easily resolved. Electric shock therapy, sensory deprivation, exposure therapy to desensitize. Drop Keane and Holgate into a Vat of tarantulas for 48 hours with no food or water and these pricks would soon toughen up.
328 Posted 21/02/2022 at 05:36:38
While I like a lot of what Frank has to say I really do have to ask if it is good enough to replace a player solely because he has a yellow card against him? Allan was not playing that well, particularly his passing but wouldn't a word about jockeying rather than jumping in on the tackle have been sufficient for the next 15 minutes or so to see if he had taken the advice onboard.
Then, if it was felt he needed replacing it should have been, as near as possible, like for like, which Gomes isn't, and shouldn't need a full season to see and know.
I'd have also thought that perhaps whatever Iwobi was asked to do should have been rethought as I couldn't work out if he was supposed to be anything other than a slightly more advanced full-back.
And as has been said, he should have had an early word with Gordon about the silly diving.
And as I said at halftime, the front three needed sorting as all seemed out of position, or should I say, of usual position.
As Frank has intimated, it would be nice to say it's early days but we don't have that luxury, unless you can foresee how many points are needed to avoid relegation and where we might get them.
329 Posted 21/02/2022 at 08:31:14
And here we are. No left-back. No creativity.
It honestly just beggars belief. I hope that strategic review considers the obvious. I'll never understand anyone who thought it was a good idea.
330 Posted 21/02/2022 at 08:47:49
It's almost ironic that his replacement, Mykolenko, hasn't really flourished yet, and has lately been hampered with Covid-related issues. However, the Benitez factor has gone now, so perhaps if Frank can get his inherited squad of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly to start getting results away as well as at home, we should at least see survival and write this season off.
Like Del Boy used to say in 'Only Fools and Horses' – "This time next year, Ernie!"
331 Posted 21/02/2022 at 08:58:54
I watched Allan closely after the ludicrous decision to book him after one, not dangerous, tackle after less than 15 minutes. He was too scared to put in a tackle, allowing players to waltz past him because he and everyone else knew that the referee would have issued a second yellow. It completely negated our midfield.
There's no way he'd have finished the game with soft bollocks holding the whistle. The mistake was putting Gomes on, but Lampard has yet to try many of the squad in matchday situations so it's understandable that the likes of Gomes will be given a chance.
332 Posted 21/02/2022 at 09:09:58
333 Posted 21/02/2022 at 09:27:32
334 Posted 21/02/2022 at 09:43:58
Not sure how it works but it's our only hope of a new beginning. Although, if the trapdoor stays open, his position surely becomes untenable. Though no-one wants that.
335 Posted 21/02/2022 at 09:57:54
I went the ticket office the other day, and that despicable picture of our chairman, that sits above where they take “the dough”, on the timeline that froze, had already been given a makeover, and Mr Good Times, was smugly looking down on us all, once again.
336 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:11:19
I suspect it's the younger or maybe out-of-town Blues who are just interested in a Saturday afternoon good day, which I suppose is fair enough. Ironic we now have a real professional set-up with Frank. A club within a club, if you like.
337 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:21:42
He is now focused on getting into the box for goal scoring opportunities. But where are those crosses? Over-hit, too low got intercepted, etc... you name it.
Has Calvert-Lewin missed a sitter? No, because there's no service in the first place. We've sold the only one that can pass, James.
Richarlison and Gray, if they have the ball, they tend to shoot themselves. So Calvert-Lewin can hope for a spill for a tap in. That's all he can do.
If I were him, I'd be thinking what it would be like if playing for Arsenal, who have players that can work the ball into the box.
Please tell me Mykolenko and Patterson know how to cross.
340 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:21:52
Allan had already made another iffy challenge after his yellow card and he would have been off after the next. A red would have left us a man short and Allan with a three-game suspension. It was absolutely correct to substitute him, in fact, I'd have done it sooner but, as Ray said, Lampard's mistake was using Gomes.
What if the one leading the review is the same one as 'the man who's given us some good times'?
341 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:27:41
We have a poor attitude – this is because Kenwright has turned Everton into a make-weight, and this attitude permeates through the playing staff.
Look at all the players that have come in and gone backwards on big money. If you don't want to win, it just becomes another job. Frank will catch on soon enough.
As to the referees and the Premier League, again because we're so nice and never say anything or complain… because of Kenwright… we quite easily get refereed out of matches.
Booking Allan so early, two of theirs never got booked and then a stonewall penalty not given. Compare that to the attitude of them over the park. I'm not saying we should be like them, ever (with their "win at all costs" mentality and fuck everyone else) but they make enough noise and get away with all sorts.
Kenwright is the single worst thing that ever happened to EFC.
342 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:36:09
Trying to get through this week with my ostrich tactic otherwise take away my belt n shoelaces so try and swerve talk of that white Nelly in the room / stand.
As for refs, it somehow does seem personal, the vital calls go against us, especially away, or maybe because we are not one of the fashionable Sky darlings?
It's true that Frank and the bench need to scream any wrong-doing from the bench, like that speccy prick does over the park. We are obviously too nice on the pitch, and Seamus, god bless him, says sod-all. Same with Jagielka before him.
343 Posted 21/02/2022 at 13:11:15
Gomes didn't have a great 45 minutes but to accuse him of failing to keep the ball is wrong, in my view. A poor referee did not help our weak-willed players. COYB.
344 Posted 21/02/2022 at 14:07:43
Yes, we do have mental fragility away from home, but the truth is that it's not helped by the uphill struggle of appalling refereeing. To us an old phrase, in the last two away games we were, in a very real sense, robbed.
For some time it's seemed that Everton is an easy victim of bad refereeing. Trying to play against 11 opponents and a biased referee, repeatedly, is likely to be knocking the stuffing out of our players. We need to do something about that, to not give in, to have a ‘fuck you' attitude.
Hopefully that's something that Lampard, with his background of being very competitive, and the evidence of events like his telling Klopp exactly where to go, will remedy in a way that previous managers haven't been able to.
345 Posted 21/02/2022 at 17:16:02
346 Posted 21/02/2022 at 17:34:00
Football is a simple game, just pass to your teammate, challenge for fifty-fifty balls. Two things we aren't doing enough of.
I'm glad Lampard is here. He knows what's what. I just hope he can save us. Somebody on MotD said a disturbing thing to the effect that Everton won't win anything with those players.
347 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:02:33
The only bright light I see is that Leeds and Brentford have worse run-ins than us and I think Norwich will go down. Fingers, legs, and eyes crossed.
348 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:14:04
I agree with what you say, and we don't need the talking heads to tell us what we already know. However, it would be very satsifying if we could make them eat humble pie by lifting the FA Cup in May.
349 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:52:16
350 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:09:14
Lots of sweeping statements, eg, the crowd will carry us... Don't trust this team – just hope the rest of the bottom five are saying the same.
351 Posted 22/02/2022 at 00:39:23
Premier League football is simple and the answer is in the association's name the 'FA' Meaning Fitness and Accuracy are the two main characteristics players need to have.
Last week, Kenny said extra training (increased fitness) had made him a better player.
Did anybody watch the West Ham vs Newcastle game. In the warm-up, they were practicing shooting from outside the box and nearly half missed the goal. So it was no surprise that both teams missed a variety of 'easy' shots during the game, not even on target. However, thanks to Moyes's desire to get the team fit they sit in 5th place.
Lukaku improved his game with us when he stopped lashing at the goal and started placing his shots. He goes to Man Utd and, after a time, he starts lashing his shots again.
Against Brentford we placed our shots and scored a lot of goals. Against Newcastle and Southampton, we reverted back to lashing at the goal instead of placing our shots.
Take Trippier for example, he scored two goals helping Newcastle earn 6 points. Did he dribble towards goal or play a brilliant one-two? No, he merely accurately placed his free-kicks – when was the last time we scored by a free-kick?
So Lampard should be making the whole team practice accuracy every day for at least an hour. Not the useless crap of aiming for the 'goal'. They should be aiming for the inside of the post and continue until they get 20 or 30 consecutive shots on target. The point being it should be the same target, left or right post.
Not many players dribble the ball past several players, not even the players in the team across the park do that. Instead, they simply pass and the receiving player knocks the ball into the goal – not lashes it into goal.
The accuracy of not just our players but the majority players in the Premier League is simply appalling.
Yes, the players can make themselves look good 81% accuracy pass rate. Over what distance and what was their accuracy rate of shooting on target or passes over 20 yards?
Look at Richarlison great player but his accuracy on goal has decreased amazingly since his first season. Even Calvert-Lewin's heading accuracy has been very poor or has he had a neck injury that cause him to miss the actual goal when heading?
The injuries we are getting are mainly down to 'over playing' the best players i.e. Doucouré, Godfrey and Allan who all give 100% every game. They should all be rotated playing 70 minutes in one game and 50 minutes in the next game only occasionally playing 90 minutes in every game certainly not playing in three consecutive games.
All of the above-mentioned players have being working extra hard to cover the poor performances from the likes of Rondon, Iwobi and Gomes. Once a player no longer has to 'perform' to get a first-team slot they become lazy and it demoralises the players challenging for that position.
Shake it up Frank, rest Calvert-Lewin or Richy for the first 60 mins and give the likes of Dobbins and Simms a chance to gain Premier League experience. Ditto – when is Onyango going to get some time? He certainly cannot be worse than Gomes.
352 Posted 23/02/2022 at 03:17:26
We're all frustrated by the shortcomings of our first-team squad, but the idea that you or anyone else is going to magically hit upon the solution somehow – whether it's as basic as telling players not to “lash it”, or rationing minutes, or playing youngsters so as not to dishearten them – is oversimplifying a very complex problem that has seen a series of highly-rated managers leave this club with their tales between their legs (and huge cash pay-offs).
Hopefully Lampard can do much better, but I expect that progress will be slow, and at times, painful. Strap in because there are no easy fixes, not at Everton Football Club.
353 Posted 23/02/2022 at 13:00:49
You mentioned 'back to front logic' could you please elaborate on that?
Accuracy. I remember Beckham saying that, as a boy, he used to practice for hours shooting at a tree and not just a large goalmouth. He credited that practice for improving his football.
How many games have you seen at the ground or on TV where you were puzzled as to how our players missed? One of the most spectacular misses was Bolasie's miss a few feet away from an open goal when he lashed at the ball in a pre-season friendly.
Check out these goals from Rodriguez, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PMjRtxwInk The only lash at goal was from Richarlison and that only ended in a goal due to a massive deflection. Every other shot and headers, especially Rodriguez's goals, were all a foot or two (bar one) inside the post.
Fitness. Moyes joined West Ham in 2017 and, at the end of the of the 2019-20 season, he stated his team were not fit and he got them to train harder. In 2020-21, they finished 6th. At the start of the current season, some of the players have been saying they feel better and fitter with their training.
As for the manager's performances the only 'coach' we have had in the last 6 years has been Ancelotti. He encouraged Calvert-Lewin to stay up in the box where his aerial prowess would present a lot of danger to other teams and he pounced on the loose balls in the box.
Andrew, you just stated one of the main problems: huge payoffs for managers; failure is rewarded at Everton. I did say in another post that, when Rogers was sacked across the park, he was on about £4M pa and had 3 years left on his contract. He was offered a cash deal of £6M in one lump sum. or he could continue his contract for the remaining 3 years, prohibiting him managing another team while he remained on salary. He stayed for a year and a half but realised he could make more money actually managing a team so he left.
Maybe we have the same clause but I have never seen or read anywhere about it. As far as I know, our managers have all honourably been paid in full. Why?
Andrew I have not suggested tactics, players, team formations, psychological support or coaching of skill sets. What I have said is that our players need to be a lot fitter and much more accurate and that will solve a lot of our problems.
What I have suggested is that, if Cantona and the youngsters (Beckham et al) did extra practice and their team improved dramatically, why can't our players be ordered to do it?
354 Posted 23/02/2022 at 16:46:36
● Andre Gomes must never play for us again. He plays, we normally lose – it is as simple as that! Yes, he will have the odd good game against teams even worse than us (Brentford for example) but he just seems to drag everyone down around him most of the time and make costly mistakes.
He might look good in training but crumbles under pressure from opposition players, is too slow, too weak and gives away possession in dangerous areas. Literally anyone else is a better pick than him... I don't care how low numbers in midfield are.
● We must learn how to play against a team that presses us high. At the minute, teams have worked out that they will dominate us and win with a high press.
● You cannot deny that Pickford was at fault for both goals. He should never have been beaten at his near post for the first and should have cleaned out that cross for the second. Coming and then changing his mind was a bad error. Is it time to give the more experienced Begovic games to steady the ship? Do we sell Pickford over the summer while his stock is still high and invest in a more reliable top-class keeper?
● Don't play the same team in 2 games running. He's tried it twice now and failed both times. I actually would normally prefer managers to do this but our players just cannot seem to handle it.
After the Leeds game, we should have been all set to have a real go at Southampton. Not saying it was an easy task or we would have won – but the performance that was put in was embarrassing. Lampard has got to work out how to get them playing well every game somehow.
355 Posted 24/02/2022 at 01:15:10
Frank, you are obviously a dedicated Evertonian who has every right to your point of view. Fortunately Football is a simple game and most successful teams, along with all the appropriate skills, play it very simply. Your recipes for success are confusing and overstated.
Enough to say that any team trying to comprehend what you suggest would end up dizzy on the Changing Room floor in your pre-game warm-up. They would be as conflicted, bewildered and confused as Everton often seem to be when playing this season.
Continue to watch your favourite team but please don't try to get a job on the Everton coaching staff. The present players already look bored enough and confused!
356 Posted 24/02/2022 at 15:19:08
357 Posted 24/02/2022 at 18:02:57
You are correct in everything you state. I certainly expect Everton to only hire proven, well respected and experienced coaches. Unfortunately, from the perspective of results over the last 5 years, we have been severely lacking in successful coaches. It has to be the main reason for lack of progress.
I agree that ToffeeWebbers have every right to give their opinions and fellow TW's should always feel free to disagree. I am speaking 'tongue-in-cheek' when I suggest that any Everton supporter should even consider applying for a coaching position. I just think that some posters over-elaborate in regards to the advice they give in how to bring glory back to our beloved team.
In regards to the word 'simple', it is really a case of semantics. I certainly did not ever mean to imply that coaching at a professional level is a simple task. In fact, I feel that it is extremely complex and complicated. However, there are simple ways of getting to the point and some coaches need to be more simplistic in trying to implement new systems.
I also think that some posters are inclined to overstate their opinions to the point of boredom. In fact, I may have just proved my own point by jabbering on in my own defence. Or perhaps it is just the 'scouser' in me. Let's face it, most scousers often have far too much to say. Even loyal Evertonians.
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