Time to Stand Down Bill

I don't think he is going anywhere, but hopefully his influence will decrease. I do think that he is absolutely determined to be Chairman at the new stadium openly and belongs to the 'never resign' brigade and has an agreement to stay in situ.

So what is Bill's secret? I suggest ear plugs. Angry people look as if they are making funny faces if you wear ear plugs.

Denise Barrett-Baxendale was sat next to Bill,to the right of him if I recall correctly.

Moshiri couldn't attend because of the new covid isolation rules for travellers arriving in the UK, apparently.

That is worse. She may have been told to tuf it out by Bill. Was watching on Hesgoal, just got shots of Bill at various times during the game. Had known about the Covid rules and Moshiri in States , but didn't make the connection. Just seen Bill producing.

Thank you for the correction.

Bill is all our brother, while we like it or not.

Couldn't agree more pal. So fucking tedious.

All he wants is to be Mr Popular with the backroom staff he gave a job to plus a clueless CEO that the job is too complex and big for. All of this suits an away-day owner who even now doesn't question what's going on under his watch.

A 'perfect storm' scenario to just carry on bumbling along until he will have the cheek to hover about until the grand opening of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. I can't stand the fraudulent bastard, to be honest.

Until the Klopp revolution, FSG were despised and are still regarded with suspicion in some quarters..

Bill lost me over Kirkby... but it's pretty obvious his "exist in the top flight" plan was a result of relative penury. His appointed money man, Moshiri, is another in the long list of saps diving into the game unprepared. Why oh why can they not figure out creating success from the doldrums requires one thing and one thing only - limitless cash.

I've lost the thread now. probably trying to say there is no easy solution which matchgoers realise so don't turn on him. Dunno really... I've gone 😂😂😂

This 27 years protest will hopefully be the final straw for our saviour, but it's honestly no good just getting rid of the actor, unless Moshiri has finally got bigger plans in store for the future of our great club.

Or the worst scenario: they will be a grade up from him and all his cushy fan club.

The problem is that he has now become a totemic figurehead for all that is wrong with the club. He has overseen years of mediocrity our club, his tenure has delivered 22 years of football wilderness and no progress at all. To me, that simple fact is enough to justify his belated departure.

The club needs a new era with a new professional-minded and forward-thinking chairman. Everton is going through a period of necessary and overdue change and this has got to be the next step.

That would be success for me!

What this man knows about successfully running a Premier League club you could write on the back of a postage stamp.

Some of the following is my conclusion, and some from Steve on our pre-match meet up.

We have already been told that, before the owners went to Man City, they wanted Everton and possibly Newcastle. They walked away when Kenwright still wanted a big say in the club and possible board member.

Bill did not want to give up his train set, and quite possibly others walked away as well, until finally Bill found Moshiri who was happy to keep Bill on board, to even handing him Chairman.

So now we come to part of Steve, the owners at City knew as much about football as Moshiri did. So what did City do different? Well, for starters, they ripped right through the club, and brought people who did know about football and buisness, and running a football club, not just the first team, but academy as well.

This next part is just an example and well aware some may be living or dead, or from different eras, but just using this as an example.

Like I said above, City brought in people at the top of their profession; they did not keep Peter Swales as Chairman, Peter's friends as fellow board members; they did not have Francis Lee as first-team cheerleader or coach; they did not have Asa Hartford or Peter Barnes running the youth set up; and certainly did not have Eddie Large in charge of in the Community and a board member.

So yes, as some posters have asked, What does Moshiri know about football? I would say about as much as the City owners.

To get our club back up again, we first have to strip it bare, and remove the very people who have left our football club stagnating, since the last century.

Would you say that was a fair assessment, Steve V?

Somehow by 01/01/2000 I decided there weren't any contenders and, apart from an effort by Peter Ridsdale at Leeds, there's still no-one close to being in the running.

It's the total lack of realistic hope that kills you, and your club.

This guy has in effect done way more than "a bit" of bashing to our club during the eternity of his tenure though. He rendered us impotent, crippled and hopeless in his successful pursuit of his now vast bank account, achieved (and supported) by monies from fans and supporters of the club for many mediocre years.

NSNO to us meant No Spend No Optimism under his ownership, and under his chairmanship, after hundreds of £millions have been squandered, the same "No Optimism" still grips the club and its savvy fan-base.

The Sheik's first choice was Newcastle; when Mike Ashley refused point blank to consider a sale, the Sheik moved to his second choice which was Everton.

The reason he favoured us and Newcastle was two-fold. We both owned our grounds and both had under-developed airports close by.

The Sheik went through City like a dose of salts, starting with the gate men and what we wore to work. The board went in its entirety, Shinawatra was offered and accepted a honorary life vice presidency, similar to that which had been offered to and declined by Kenwright. The vice presidency was withdrawn on Shinawatra's conviction.

I have posted this on a couple of occasions on other threads without comment.

The consequences of Everton turning down this investment was huge – not only for the club but also for the city.

Thanks again.

It was, as far as, Sheik Mansour was concerned, a point which was non negotiable.

In what role were you employed by Thaksin Shinawatra?

Ironically, prior to joining Man City, I worked for Mike Ashley for 10 years. I never had anything to do with Newcastle, just Sports Soccer as Sports Direct was then.

I was eventually moved sideways by the new board at City to the newly established 'protocol department' and, after 2 years, was granted a severance package.

"He didn't understand football – he hadn't a clue."

Since then, we've had to accept he's from the same gene pool as Shinawatra when it comes to owning a football club.

Devastatingly disappointing – to say the least.

The 3 guys never kicked a ball for City, couldn't get work permits, and spent the whole of their vastly inflated contracts on loan in the Middle East.

That will require two first-class outsiders – a football man and a business man.

John # 20 - “What this man knows about successfully running a Premier League club you could write on the back of a postage stamp.”

Very true – but he knows Arsene Wenger and so does his mate.

Not only does he profit enormously from selling his shares but does a deal that any con-man would be proud of. He keeps control and, if and when it turns to custard, the owner gets it in the neck and Bill just throws his hands up.

Why can't people see where this was all going at the time? Frankly Moshiri needs to get out from under the bus Kenwright has thrown him under, get control and put professionals into the club. He has left the running of the club in the hands of Kenwright, the man who many would say got us into this mess. The solution lies with Moshiri, the problem lies with Kenwright.

Moshiri misplaced his trust, Kenwright misplaced decency.

And to think certain fans wonder why Kenwright comes in for relentless criticism. He has put his own interests before those of the club every step of the way.

Now that Moshiri has bought the bulk of the shares in the club, he can end Kenwright's role in the club. It is now everyone's interest for him to do so, including Kenwright, as we cannot go forward as a club until this is resolved.

"Moshiri needs to get out from under the bus Kenwright has thrown him under, get control and put professionals into the club. He has left the running of the club in the hands of Kenwright..."

Sorry, I just don't buy that.

No, I do not have Stephen's firsthand knowledge, or Paul The Esk's insight into corporate governance, or the vast experience of many here watching close up the machinations of Everton management under various owners down through the decades.

But I know a little something about big bosses.

Farhad Moshiri is a billionaire businessman who has run international steel conglomerates and is currently chairman of a massive cartel crossing multiple industries. He has learned at the feet of one of Putin's best buddy criminal oligarchs. There is no way in hell he has been "thrown under the bus", or been fooled or otherwise suckered, by an elderly theater producer. Moshiri's problems at Everton are his own responsibility, nobody else's.

As to Kenwright running the club, I might have bought that... right up until the day Benitez was hired. Does anybody really, truly believe that it was Kenwright who made the call to put a former RS manager in charge?

And as for Kenwright stepping down, I think if he intended to do so, he already would have. I believe that, too, will be Moshiri's call.

Yeah, I know, these are just unsupported opinions from a dimwitted Yank 7000 miles away who has seen exactly two games at Goodison. But if Farhad Moshiri is the clueless puppet of Bill Kenwright, I'm the bald dancing king of Siam.

Thrown under a bus? You bet.. He is not an experienced football owner, great businessman perhaps but I believe he saw Everton and the new stadium as a good investment longer term. He never wanted to run the club (5% man). But he was damaged by the first 4 years when it was left to Kenwright to make the majority of calls.

I think this is the closest thing to the reality we find the club in. Kenwright may now be playing second fiddle and Moshiri making the calls but Bill's days are numbered, they have to be. I don't think he will step down.. but that depends on whatever deal was struck… as I said, misplaced trust has cost him.

Oh and Mike, I too have first hand executive experience of working with big bosses and millionaires – both their arrogance and their poor decision-making as well.

Billionaire business leaders tend to be super-smart, highly commercial and hate spending their own money poorly. They also have a board to advise them, but in Everton's case there is a lot of evidence that Moshiri is not guided by their recommendations (certainly not on managers!).

I would love to know who is advising him outside of the club on the commercial and footballing strategy, as I am sure someone is.

Kenwright might be culpable for 20-odd years of mediocrity but Moshiri is capable of screwing-up his investment. It's a worrying time.