Merseyside Police issue statement following 'threats' towards Everton board

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Merseyside Police say that they are now liaising with Everton regarding alleged threats towards club directors made ahead of their Premier League fixture against Southampton on Saturday but that no incidents or any offences have been reported.

The club issued a statement of their own in the hours before the game saying that the entire Board of Directors had been told not to attend the match at Goodison Park due to concerns over their safety.

A peaceful sit-in had been called for after the match by the NSNOW group, coordinating the response of more than 60 different fan groups who are united in expressing their concern at the current direction and future of the club, a protest that went off without incident inside the ground.

Everton claimed that they had received "malicious and unacceptably threatening correspondence" and that "increasing incidents of anti-social behaviour – including targeted physical aggression - at recent home matches" were behind the decision to advise club officials to stay away from the fixture against Saints.

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Further allegations were made in the media, however, with BBC reporter Juliette Ferrington suggesting in a tweet that Everton CEO, Denise Barrett-Baxendale’s car "was attacked after the defeat to Brighton as she was inside. Misogynist, sexist and threatening language used towards her. A lot of threats directed at the board have been sent to the club and online."

Additional claims were made that Barrett-Baxendale had been "put in a headlock" by a fan while leaving the Directors' Box after the Brighton defeat and that Chairman Bill Kenwright had received death threats.

Local police now say that they are working with the club to investigate these claims but have not, as yet, received any reports of violence or threats of violence.

The statement read: “We can confirm that Merseyside Police is liaising with Everton Football Club following alleged threats towards Directors ahead of the Premier League fixture against Southampton on Saturday, 14 January.

“No threats or incidents were reported to police prior to the game, but we are in communication with the club to establish if any offences have taken place, and to ensure that any future reports are received through existing channels.

“Any threats reported to Merseyside Police would be assessed and investigated as a matter of course, and any appropriate safety measures implemented. We are also aware of videos in circulation of fans approaching players’ cars as they made their way from Goodison after the match.

“At this stage no offences have been reported.”



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Nick Page
1 Posted 16/01/2023 at 15:57:14
The Merseyside Police are now involved in investigating reports of threats made against BoD….new statement….no threats reported before the game but in communication with club (liaising) and if any threats have taken place they will be investigated as matter of course. Also aware of videos circulating but at this stage no offences have been reported.

So they made it all up as they haven't reported anything before the game.

Shame they're more focussed on their own “image” rather than how badly these bastards have run the football club….which has led to this situation in the first place. They're a disgrace.

Jim Lloyd
2 Posted 16/01/2023 at 15:58:43
Spot on, Nick!
Brent Stephens
3 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:11:15
Jay Harris
4 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:18:15
Could any of us stand by and watch anyone let alone poor Denise being put in a headlock by a man?

There must have been thousands of supporters around and there appear to be no witnesses, no CCTV footage, no report to police — just a claim by the proverbial master of smoke and mirrors.


Neil Copeland
5 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:24:01
Sorry if I am being a bit thick, but who at the club actually advised the BoD not to attend the game?
Peter Neilson
6 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:27:19
Plenty of liaising going on.

Yesterday it was reported “Everton confirmed they are liaising with Merseyside police” and now the police are reciprocating.

Didn't know this is the somewhat lengthy process for reporting an alleged physical assault. Maybe communication is via fax.

Michael Kenrick
7 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:27:32
A 'Security and Safety Advisor', Neil.

No name provided. Nor this person's qualifications. The clear implication is that it was club staff, with no input from the police.

What makes this so much worse is that the club itself not only made the decision unilaterally but they chose to put out what any idiot should have known was a massively inflammatory "Club Statement", telling all and sundry they weren't going to attend. That part of the story was totally unnecessary.

Kinda has throwbacks to that equally heinous Club Statement which destroyed the career of our 31-year-old married player at a stroke, and rile up the other one we had on the books at the time, Fabian Delph.

Brent Stephens
8 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:31:11
Merseyside Police:

"No threats or incidents were reported to police prior to the game [against Southampton], but we are in communication with the club to establish if any offences have taken place, and to ensure that any future reports are received through existing channels.

Any threats reported to Merseyside Police would be assessed and investigated as a matter of course, and any appropriate safety measures implemented. We are also aware of videos in circulation of fans approaching players’ cars as they made their way from Goodison after the match.

At this stage no offences have been reported.”

Stephen Davies
9 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:31:26
Merseyside police. ' at this stage,no offences have been reported '
June Brennan
10 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:32:27
Shame on them putting the club in disrepute. Trying to take the focus from the board when everyone could see this was a total fabrication.

What is happening at this club? Total disrespect for the fans coming out with fabricated tales.

Peter Neilson
11 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:36:34
Neil the club statement said their security advisor but the quote of the impending risk was attributed to “Security & Safety Advisor”. Capitalised title, so must be important.

Funny that they are “advisors” but then stated: “Club's Board members have been told they must not attend today's fixture.” That's the club's own emphasis in bold.

Yet advisors don't make demands, only advise. Very odd.

Christine Foster
12 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:37:41
Michael, it's better described now as calling one's bluff.
Peter Carpenter
13 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:42:46
Oh, come on. Give them a break. They're making the threatening letter right now. As we type, Sharpe is frantically cutting letters out of the Echo and Denise is gluing them down. Bill is pacing the room urging them to hurry and saying, 'Remember, this was shoved through the letterbox at the same time as the pies arrived on Saturday morning, everybody got that?'
Sadly, no one notices they are using today's Echo.
Will Mabon
14 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:42:52
OK, so no report made to the police.

This leaves the possibility as has been speculated that DBB perhaps initially wanted to forget the matter and put it behind her due to the humiliation, embarrassment and such, so didn't report.

However if this is the case, one wonders at the care and consideration shown by what I'll broadly call "The Club" to then publicize the event to an audience of millions.

DBB would have either had to come to terms with things pretty quickly or succumb to some rather unsavoury pressure.

The original statement might've been more suitable without the phrase "targeted physical aggression".

All in all, something of a thickening plot, to go with the rest of the mess.

Darren Hind
15 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:44:32
Evertonian just been on TalkShite saying the directors are trying to deflect blame onto fans by making up this stuff about the Denise Barrett-Baxendale assault.

Andy Goldstein and Darren Bent just brushed him aside saying there is no way in the world a football club would make these allegations against its own fans if it wasn't true.

I really think this has gotten to a point where the directors have either got to substantiate the allegation or fuck off.

Someone loses big time here. Goldstein and Bent are like the rest of the media. They have already presented the case for the prosecution and appear to have found us fans guilty.

Barry Hesketh
16 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:47:25
I don't care whether the board attend or don't attend a game, that's their choice, but I had hoped to see the players turn up at some point this season.

Seriously, how come they didn't have any contingency plans in place following the alleged incident involving the CEO? Also giving in to threats of violence will only encourage more idiots to think that they can do likewise.

Obviously, as witnessed at the end of the Spurs v Arsenal game, there are a growing number of selfish morons who seem to believe that they have the right to attack players or staff; it's never been acceptable behaviour, and it never will be.

However, it has become a growing trend for people to take out their frustrations on doctor's receptionists, shop workers and anyone else who they believe is responsible for not doing what they want when they want.

It's something that the whole of society has to tackle; how to do it? I've no idea.

Joe McMahon
17 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:47:45
Correct, Darren, and I think we know who…

Brent Stephens
18 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:48:55
I feel sorry for the Director of Communications at Everton.

Given recent events (alleged or concocted), I'd resign if I were you, Roger Kenyon.

Somebody needs to get a grip of all this. The police have just hung the club out to dry.

Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:49:02
Did any of Everton's Board of Directors attend the cup tie at Old Trafford the other Friday night?
Michael Kenrick
20 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:49:32
Surely you have to ask as well why the Police are making this statement, which says pretty much nothing has really happened? Why on earth would the Police do that?

Is it perhaps in response to influential Evertonians who are seeking the truth, asking questions in high places and applying pressure for them to say something?

All very, very odd. And does absolutely nothing to address the previous concerns of fans... in fact, it goes to stoke the fire yet more!!!

Oliver Molloy
21 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:51:50
Panorama need to start taking note of what's going on, and the cops need to investigate the alleged accusations.

Also wouldn't the cops be fully aware who the “Security & Safety Advisor” is that passed this information on?

And why were the cops not told of this threat in the first place?

Will Mabon
22 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:52:05

a good start might be to get globalism off everyone's backs to relieve the pressure and the deliberate influences. Since this chaos is exactly what's wanted however, I won't be holding my breath.

Peter Carpenter
23 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:54:48
I think it shows one thing clearly; the Board has declared a propaganda war against it's own fans. What other club has ever done that? There's no way back for them after this.
Steve Brown
24 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:55:03
What an enormous surprise.

The board is so inept they can’t even fake a story.

Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:58:12
That seems to be the inclination, Darren.

I got the same feeling watching a video of Jeff Stelling, reporting on the Evertonians outside Goodison before the game on Saturday night. His choice of words wasn’t very good, making me think that Everton’s Board had already set the narrative.

Ian Hollingworth
26 Posted 16/01/2023 at 16:58:47
We, the loyal fans of Everton FC should be outraged at this news.

Yet more proof that the vile man that is Bill Kenwright would throw the loyal fans of the club he loves, under the bus.

I doubt the wider media will report what Merseyside police have said leaving the wider public to label us as thugs who scared off the board.

Do not let the snake slither out of this one as this is as low as it gets.

Personally, I hope they don't show their faces at Goodison again.

Ian Edwards
27 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:04:20
I can see the news articles in a few weeks. "Frank Lampard leads Everton to 15 games without a win leaving the team 8 points from safety while supporters protest outside the ground demanding CCTV footage of a headlock".
Michael Kenrick
28 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:07:00
The Mail have now picked this up, although their 'facts' seem a bit off (I know, I know):

Merseyside Police say Everton DIDN'T report any 'threats or incidents' before telling their directors to stay at home for their safety, amid club claims of CEO Denise Barrett-Baxendale being put in a headlock at a recent game

They say, among other things:

● Merseyside Police advised board members not to attend Saturday's fixture

Will Mabon
29 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:09:01
Michael @ 20, I've been pondering this myself.

Can't say I know the current complex legalities regarding privacy in such matters, though have noticed the increasing trend of hanging people out to dry by "sharing" sensitive info with the public that once would have never happened prior to any trial or action.

Not much diplomacy left - but it will push the game on in this instance i.e. stir the pot of shit.

Sadly the conclusion looking more and more likely is very unpalatable. Disheartening times for EFC.

Neil Copeland
30 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:15:48
Michael #7 and Peter #11, thanks.

Confirms what I thought; an unnamed senior security adviser (as indicated by his title in caps), giving a direct instruction, in bold letters no less, to the most senior officials at the club.

As already stated, to air this so publicly was incredibly naive and damaging and the timing stinks of premeditated actions.

As for Merseyside Police; perhaps they are telling the club to provide the evidence or retract the claim? The alleged headlock is very serious if true and a case of cough up or shut up from what I can see.

If the reports of threats to the board are true then I hope the police investigate fully and throw the book at anyone found guilty, Time will tell I suppose.

Steve Brown
31 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:18:30
Ian @ 27, didn’t you just call your fellow blues ‘feral rats’ a short while ago on another ToffeeWeb thread?

Care to elaborate?

Ian Bennett
32 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:22:43
100% this was positioned to split the fan base and ensure the civil fans didn't follow the mob in the protests against the board.

The issue has no proof in an age of cctv & mobiles, no police complaint, and was held back 13 days from the actual incident.

If it looks and smells like Bull shit, its because it is.

Frank blamed the fans previously, Moshiri blamed the fans mid week. They'll come up anything to ensure no shines a big light on their failings.

Steve Brown
33 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:24:28
Despite the despair, we should keep our sense of humour! This is quality.


Ian Edwards
34 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:24:47
Steve 31. I was clearly referring to those fans harrassing the players in their cars. Feral rats is a fitting description
Will Mabon
35 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:24:55
"I really think this has gotten to a point where the directors have either got to substantiate the allegation or fuck off."

Sounds just like a High Court judgement, Darren, great stuff :-)

Steve Brown
36 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:26:06
Sure ian.
Neil Humphreys
37 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:26:12
Not quite a smoking gun, yet.
As we pretty much all thought- a lie.

They could easily have said that the board were staying away to prevent attention straying from the pitch etc- instead they exaggerate a response.
I said this on Saturday- if it was a credible threat it would be a police statement, not a club one.

What a lamentable state of affairs

Stu Darlington
38 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:27:08
No worries.It will be years before Merseyside Police are able to get to this incident.After all they have to clear up who wrecked the Man City team bus,pelted Guardiola with coins,severely injured a young girl with a missile at Man City’s ground not to mention who had the 2,500 fake tickets in Paris. We must be way down list!!
Steve Brown
39 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:29:21
Stu, by Friday the club will have rowed back to a claim that the CEO was subject to unwarranted frowning.
Bill Fairfield
40 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:30:38
What a state our club is in. So sad.Gets worse as each hour passes.
Daniel A Johnson
41 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:32:23
It honestly feels like the club is going to implode.

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

Peter Mills
42 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:34:24
Presumably any such “real and credible threat” would not just disappear overnight, so does that mean the directors will be given protection at all times? That they cannot return to work? How long does the Advisor think the threat will last?
Lenny Fisher
43 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:35:56
Time to ramp up….

How about a total boycott of all home games until Kenwright gets booted out………or is this just a bit too much of a sacrifice for the fans?

Principles are everything…

Hit them in the pocket…👍👹😡😡

Pat Kelly
44 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:38:17
The players have now released a statement saying they have never posed any threat at Goodison Park.
Neil Humphreys
45 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:40:43
Lenny #43,

It wouldn't be much of a sacrifice these days!

We need to stay behind the team – just shift the protest to the next game!

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:42:03

Haha too true

Nick Page
47 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:42:21
Stu 38. They’re still looking for the West Ham and Chelsea fans milling around Heysel in LFC shirts. Feckin useless….
Danny O’Neill
48 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:43:18
This is divide and conquer on the grandest of scales.

Divide and conquer? This will be divide and fall on their part. I can't believe the thought process. Blaming the supporters for their failure is below the belt.

If there is justice to be had, then consult with the police and show the evidence. No-one will dispute that. We are a civilised society and live in one of the most CCTV'd countries in the world. It's not like anyone can get away with it. A timely statement on a website isn't evidence.

If something wrong has happened then report it and demonstrate it. Then the perpetrator can be prosecuted for assault.

I don't see the complexity in that.

Jim Lloyd
49 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:44:30
I feel sorry for the poor Board members, especially our padlocked (er, sorry, headlocked) CEO, who must have had to put in a claim in for a new haircut.

Club Official Notice

To ward off any further attacks on her hairstyle, the club is enrolling a large number of Scouts, supported by Cubs and Brownies, to form a singing barrier totally drowning out, any naughty words shouted at them by infuriated season ticket holders (the ones that are awake, that is).

Girl Guides will be on hand to give her an emergency hairdo, should the worst happen. Laughing at her distressed state, will not be tolerated.

This is if the brave Board Members take their places for the next thrilling installment of "Get down To Goodison Road" if they can find their way.

Andy Crooks
50 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:45:27
Many want Frank Lampard gone, only one manages to shoehorn this into every thread in case anyone missed it the first twenty million times.
Julian Exshaw
51 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:47:05
The biggest problem right now is official communication from the club or rather the lack thereof. Is there a worse Premier League club for this? I doubt it.

Whatever is going on, it's shining a negative light on the only thing that's positive about this club: the fans!

Anthony Dove
52 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:48:36
Apart from dragging the Club’s reputation through the mud they left the players to take the full brunt of the crowd’s unrest instead of themselves.
I don’t think there is a worse chant for players morale than ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’. I know things are bad, but I’ve seen a lot worse performances than that on Saturday. We clapped them off at halftime for heavens sake. Through no fault of their own many aren’t good enough to wear the shirt but they all gave 100%.
Moshiri is going to have to give us Bill’s head on a plate to calm this down.
Stu Darlington
53 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:55:27
Jim @49,

Sorry Jim you can't call them Brownies anymore. Apparently it's offensive and disrespectful to some people amongst other things.

Jack Convery
54 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:55:34
Like every other statement that comes out of Goodison these days – Fake News!!!

We're trying to get players in - that's a good one.
Whatever Frank needs we'll support him - there's another.
Moshiri - Frank has my full support - next thing Moshiri will do is sack him.
The club is not for sale - oh stop it. You're killing me !!
I'm searching for investment - oh yeh
Usmanov has nothing to do with Everton - laffs cock off !!!!!
The Board are doing a great job. They are local !! - oh my it gets better and better.
I won't communicate through Jim White anymore. Hi Jim it's Moshiri here. The fans are to blame for everything !!! - ha ha ha. ( A pity it's not really funny ).

Nick Page
55 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:58:55
Kenwright finally got found out. Brilliant. Trying to drag everyone else down with him though – what a complete fucking scumbag.

Can we now reclaim the moral high ground here please because the fans don't deserve this – we can't let this pass! We need to take the initiative and redefine the narrative.

What other club in history has done anything like this to its fanbase? Or certainly anything like this without organising extra security, especially for the players.

People should be angry. The whole club has been built on nothing but lies for over 20 years. These directors cannot ever show their faces at Goodison Park again – that's on them, not on us. And they won't apologise.

I think there needs to be a joint fan group statement released.

Raymond Fox
56 Posted 16/01/2023 at 17:59:07
Trouble is mud sticks, the reputation of the club is in tatters.

Forget the owner and his underlings, staying in this division is all that matters now.

All these shenanigins must be a distraction to Lampard and the players.

Phil Wood
57 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:11:21
Absolute disgrace that a fictitious statement appears to have been made that discredits the fanbase of this club.

If this statement has no credence, then I for one have now lost any little support I had for the persons running the Club.

This statement has been published Worldwide as fact and
will make any investment or chance of takeover a lot more difficult. A public apology should be issued to vindicate our fanbase.

Anthony Hawkins
58 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:15:06
If it's true there was an assault on DBB, I would expect the person to have been identified and a lifetime ban from the club.
Jim Lloyd
59 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:15:10
Stu, I was worried about that Stu, are they pixies now...that'll probably be anti elfish, and it'll probably give me sleepless nights, and come to think of it, I think Girl guides are scouts now...or maybe scoutesses; but that might brake the gender rules, as well as offend the wokies! I'll be banned by the Chairman's Chief security spokesman, woman person, robot, thingy

Rob Halligan
60 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:15:22
Anyone else think Billy Boy and Co could be charged for wasting police time?

As it stands at the moment, there is not a shred of evidence to back up these threat allegations, or of a headlock on DBB.

Kunal Desai
61 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:15:44
Just highlights the integrity of these people and the measures they are prepared to go to.

I imagine one day there will be an independent investigation in the ongoings at this club long after this board is gone. It's going to be mortifying what the uncover.

Jim Wilson
62 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:19:55
All the attention should be on sacking Lampard, a new manager and 2 important signings, a forward and a midfield general.

Everything else is an unwanted distraction that we can get back to later.

We will be down in 10 games time if we do not focus on one thing – the team!

Jimmy I'Anson
63 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:20:56
Moshiri can't sack Kenwright because he is fully aware of Usmanov's real position at the club. This, I believe, is what Kenwright has on Moshiri.

He'd probably be happy to expose the whole mess, despite the consequences, just to regain control of the club like some kind of saviour. He will end this club if he stays.

Chris Donnelly
64 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:28:27
The only way to answer this is a total boycott of the next home game, Arsenal's game here is on TV, and if there is an empty stadium then that will embarrass and take money out of this corrupt regime.

To throw the lifeblood of a club under the bus with lies and fabrication is the worst act of a narcissist and puppet of the Usmanov dictatorship.

Why should we give our hard-earned money to these wankers, they don't respect the fan base, they don't respect the club, they have driven our historical and famous club into disrepute, the fan base that was pivotal to our survival last season.

If there is proof of these allegations that the safety of the BoD, present it to the authorities, the same authorities that have told the whole country that there was nothing reported.

As much as I don't believe the police, I believe them more than the sham of an ownership we have at this club. I call on Evertonians to protest in peace, and boycott the next home fixture, we are the People's Club not Putin's puppets club!!!

It is disgusting that Kenwright and Co can do this to the club them claim to love.

There is no place for this shower of shit in our club!!!


We are loyal, passionate fans, our history is ours not yours!!! Do yourselves a favour and fuck off!!!

Michael Boardman
65 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:33:22
I agree Chris. We're down anyway, so I want these charlatans to lose as much as possible.
Danny O’Neill
66 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:34:07
Maybe the short term focus should be on the manager.

Notwithstanding caretaker managers, in my living memory:

Billy Bingham
Gordon Lee
Howard Kendall Mk 1
Colin Harvey
Howard Kendall Mk 2
Mike Walker
Joe Royle
Howard Kendall Mk 3
Walter Smith
David Moyes
Roberto Martinez
Ronald Koeman
Sam Allardyce (feel sick)
Marco Silva
Carlo Ancelotti
Frank Lampard

How can so many managers be wrong? I get it that getting the right manager in place is part of the structure of a successful or competitive club. But it starts at the top. How can so many very different managers be wrong??

Will Mabon
67 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:37:02
Jimmy, I think Bill would need 'nads like Spacehoppers to even consider playing games of that sort.
Bob Carlton
68 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:45:58
Over the past few months, a credible group of fans' representatives have called into question the direction that the Club is going in.

For the first time, this had been picked up by the national media which started to examine and criticise the Owner and Board for the way they have been running our Club.

A PR-led exercise swung into action to besmirch our fanbase and deflect attention away from the running of the Club. Highly successful in that the national media (radio, TV, print) fell into line that the Executives were, in fact, the victims and not the perpetrators of the decline of our once great Club.

No matter what happens now the good name of our loyal fanbase will NEVER be restored.

A Police Statement virtually destroys the narrative put out by the Club which confirms what we already knew, that the people at the top are self-serving and more interested in their own positions than that of the good of the Club.

They have destroyed the very essence of our Club and I cannot see a way forward.

Jim Lloyd
69 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:49:57
Well, the deflection of any blame, responsibility of where the club is in, in our precarious postion in the league.

The financial situation that we're in regarding the P and S rules, the "ringfenced" (where have I heard that before???) £500million cost of the stadium that appears to have become, in a blink of an eye, over £700 million.

Our role in acquiring managerial staffing (do we get financial rewards for spending our precious time in showing this board who we should hire; and presumanbly money for guiding them who to sack??)

All this within a day or so of the meetings of fans and the FAB. It is a disgraceful attempt by the Board, to excuse their absence from what would be a fairly muted protest on Saturday afternoon against the record of Everton FC's Board of Directors.

I don't think there is any evidence to show, and I wonder what security risks there were, that made presumably either Moshiri's or Goodison's advisors, issue it.

I suppose it had nothing whatever to do with them being scared of showing their face after such a panning for their awful performance record?

Even worse was Moshiri's statement about us choosing the manager! Although I supported the choice of Benitez, as a top manager, I was in the minority.

So how come they chose him when many supporters did not want him? The same with Sam Allardyce. The supporters had nothing to do with either of them, or any of the previous.

Then he goes on the Radio blabbing away to the Talktalk man. And then we have our very own "Good Times Charlie" who, rather then face his fellow Blues, he says nothing and hides behind a mythical attack on the CEO nearly a fortnight before...allegedly.

Pathetic! And I don't know how they will be able to face the rightful derision they will get for their lying, for their performance and his Chairmanship over nearly 30 years. Cowards.

Remember when the reds opposed Hicks and Gilette, and started a campaign to shift them. The media were all supportive. We've been cast as villains by Kenwright, who I expect nothing else off, and I'm sad to say, by our owner as well.

Rob Halligan
70 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:50:46
Chris # 64…

You say why should we give our hard-earned money to these wankers? Trouble is, about 32k of us already have, via purchasing a season ticket.

I doubt very much anyone would get a refund if we don't turn up. Maybe other ways of not passing money into the club is not going to the club shops, buying programmes, buying refreshments in the stadium (it would save Danny the heartache of not getting served at half time), but even then, all of this would not really cause much of a dent in the club accounts. Not for one game anyway.

Brian Williams
71 Posted 16/01/2023 at 18:59:13

As much as we've witnessed how fucking stupid a minority of our supporters can be, I just can't, and don't, believe any one of them put Denise Barrett-Baxendale in a headlock.

It's ludicrous!

Dave Lynch
72 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:01:56
I wonder why none of Kenwright's media luvvies have asked him for a statement or even contacted Barrett-Baxendale for some sort of confirmation of the "allegations"?

Stinks of a total fucking stitch- and cover-up, especially as the headlock has been downgraded to a jostle.

What next... death threats downgraded to a stern letter?

Christ on a Bike! Millwall board probably have more respect for their hooligans than our board has for hardworking decent fans.

All together now: "No-one likes us, we don't care!"

Nick Page
73 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:06:16
Given the public mood over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, we could spin the ownership debate quite easily in our favour and expose them. The only problem with that is the fallout, and who picks up the pieces and how.

Chelsea got sold on pretty quickly (although it is West London real estate) once the sanctions were proposed. Plus they wouldn't be paying top dollar as they'd be forced sellers. Either that or we sit on our hands get relegated and wait for a takeover, which doesn't look like happening anytime soon (Tony A?).

Anthony Murphy
74 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:07:54
I agree, Jim – the club have played a masterstroke in deflection with the non-show theatricals on Saturday, but the real issue remains and will take us down.

I want the owner and board replaced for their gross mismanagement of the club, but the saga that is playing out by the hour ignores the fact we are managed by someone who is desperate to be relieved of his duties.

Lampard is finished as Everton manager – desperate to find a way out but the board are crippled by indecision. His body language, post-match comments and tactical paralysis during games show that his head has gone – just turning up for work going through the motions and longing to be elsewhere.

Joseph Walsh
75 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:13:21
As it's been said already, this would have been picked up on CCTV footage, mobile phones and by horrified witnesses in the same way the Marcel Brands incident was circulated.

In the absence of such a recording, it is clear to most of us that this is a pathetic deflection tactic and excuse for their non-attendance from Kim Jong Ken(wright) as he knew they would be in for a rough ride at the game.

His media luvvy mates fell for it and turned it on the fans. He has now lost the few fans he had left. Those that happy clapped his walrus face on the big screen over the years must feel foolish now!

If the instruction to stay away didn't come from the police but this “independent security official” then it was ultimately the board telling themselves to stay away.

Final thought for all those fans from other clubs criticising Everton fans – it isn't enough to simply spend £500M – there is no leadership, strategy, correct appointments, or adequate playing staff. Signings were not good enough and we paid over the odds massively and burnt through that spend.
We churned through managers – the fans don't hire and fire. The fans don't spend the cash. The fans don't drive the strategy. We didn't need to be Alex Ferguson to see spending £28M on Bolasie etc etc etc was good business – look at how Newcastle have gone about it. We are run by Waldorf and Statler!

The fact Kenwright is still in the frame tells me he must have some sort of covenant in the sale of the club to Moshiri to keep him around. I can't think of any other reason he is still here with the other village idiots.

Mike Price
76 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:14:00
Jim #62 dead right, this distraction is taking away from the elephant in the room and that is not sacking one of the worst managers in Everton's history.

All anyone is talking about is the board and the ‘disgraceful' supporters while Teflon Frank just gets away with absolute murder. It must be annoying him as much as me because it's clear as day he wants out with his payoff.

Jim Lloyd
77 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:17:48

I think the directors and the major shareholder/owner, haven't a shred of dignity. I think our good name will hold up, should the press and media come and talk to thousands of ordinary fans, not that crew of self-seekers and moneymakers.

We've acted with restraint for years, decades. We are not painted as the victims as that's already been claimed by a group who don't really deserve that epithet.

We can just be us, and whatever others make of us, we can't help. It's a terrible shame. In fact it's scandalous, that a supposed fellow Blue will go to such lengths to protect his own name, but not us, who are the club.

Nick Page
78 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:27:48
Joseph, you are correct. One of his biggest luvvy media mates, that odious parasite Oliver Holt – who's mother is incidentally pals with Bill – was all over this at the weekend.

Can't stand that man. And none of them will go back and correct their stories. The media in this country is despicable.

Dennis Stevens
80 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:37:47
I saw that, Nick. It was unfortunate, perhaps, that they didn't make the connection during the show.
Derek Knox
81 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:55:19
Rob @ 60,

You know from the discussion we had previously, that the source of these headlock and spitting allegations was all made up by Denise Barrett-Baxendale. Who, as CEO, this should in my view make her position untenable. To deflect the hypothetical blame onto already frustrated fans at the Board and Owner's incompetence is surely the final straw.

The person who divulged this should and will remain anonymous, is closely connected to the Club and has no reason to lie, unlike the Board Members.

Furthermore, as has been covered already, the advice to not attend on Saturday by Board Members was another pathetic collusion to paint an incorrect picture, also exacerbated by Sky (Jeff Stelling) making people believe there was an angry and blood baying mob ready to attack should they have done so.

All this like a very weak storyline for an episode of Coronation Street, to try and increase waning viewing numbers – now there's a coincidence!

Eddie Dunn
82 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:55:29
My missus is also from Merseyside but takes little interest in football (didn't help me taking her to 0-0 draws in the winter of '79, standing on the concrete terracing of the enclosure) but I mentioned what had been going on and next morning something came on the radio and she said "These Directors are very clever arn't they?"

This tactic is clear to any sensible person. An attempt to besmirch the fans and the following bits of video of Gordon's Humvee and Yerry shaking hands with the wannabee gangstas of Walton.

The thickos like Bent on Talkshite have not a clue of anything north of Watford(nor did Lampard before taking the dirty dollars) and yet these idiots inform the rest of the footy world of our predicament.

These board members have turned on the real fans and they must never be allowed to get away with it.

I once had a lift off Director Keith Woods's daughters. Went to a game with a mutual friend, a lady in her seventies, who knew one of them.

It was very interesting driving to the ground in the big Merc and hearing their views on the oiks being watched by the police vans.

The two Woods ladies dissappeared into the car park to be ushered towards the corporate areas. I took my friend to the Winslow.

You wouldn't believe just how out of touch the two Woods women were. They just had no idea what ordinary fans did. These people see the fanbase as useful but a necessary evil.

They think they can manipulate everyone and we are now seeing their true colours.

They must not be allowed to denigrate us and we need to fight back through the media and expose them for being the true villains of the piece.

Mark Ryan
83 Posted 16/01/2023 at 19:56:05
Here is an educated guess of what has happened if you look at the facts :

Police receive no complaint from anyone at the club, so NO direct threat made to any board member

Police receive no official threats from any direct source ie a board member, hence their statement NO threats received by them


and this what will have prompted the Police to act

They have received intelligence from a variety of sources which are NOT proven but credible, that someone is going to have a pop at the Directors whilst in their seats or on arrival or departure from the ground and this is intelligence only

This would leave the Police duty bound to say to the Directors " we advise you to stay away, we cannot give you all one to one protection. There is a credible threat for your safety and so this is our advice.

THAT is what has happened.

The intelligence forms part of the Safety brief and the Police would have been obliged to share their "intel" with the clubs Safety Officer and Football Intelligence Officer.

The Police are obliged and so the board are advised. If they had turned up that would have ruined any working relationship between the Club and the Police particularly if disorder at had have ensued, at any level

We need to move on from this No-Show.

It would have been the same at any club

Tony Abrahams
84 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:02:20
Except the original statement never mentioned that the club’s directors had been advised to stay away by Merseyside police, because they cannot guarantee their safety?
Rob Halligan
85 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:12:16
Mark #83…

Can an educated guess have facts, and if there are facts, then surely it's not an educated guess?

Then further down you say “THAT is what happened”…… surely that is a statement of fact?

Sorry for being so pedantic, or maybe I'm just reading your post wrong.

Nick Page
86 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:13:26
I think the club have released a statement:

Barry Hesketh
87 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:13:33
A series of tweets from Radio Merseyside on their Twttier account:

"The Club will not be making any comment related to specific historic incidents. The health, safety and security of our supporters, staff and players is and will always remain our top priority." #EFC

EFC's game with #SaintsFC was made a high risk fixture following consultation with @MerseyPolice
. Following further discussions with the force, the Club can confirm Everton's next fixture at Goodison Park (#AFC on Sat 4 Feb) will also be categorised as high risk."

EFC's Directors were instructed to not attend Saturday's fixture following a thorough security assessment in advance of the game. The guidance was based on intelligence gathered and information received directly by the Club."

EFC say that the club is "reviewing all matchday & non-matchday security arrangements following the home game with #SaintsFC" & that "enhanced security procedures & protocols are being put in place for the Club's players & staff following incidents at this & previous games."

Christy Ring
88 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:13:49
I made a comment before the game on Saturday, Kenwright and the CEO knew there was going to be a sit-in and a backlash against them at the Southampton game, so they were never going to turn up. The Merseyside police now say there was no threats of any kind reported before the game?

If the CEO was put in a headlock nearly 2 weeks ago, wouldn't she have reported it back then?

It totally stinks that a statement was read out all over the media before the game, that our directors' safety was at risk, and they were told not to go to the game.

The backlash the Everton fans got from the media over a statement issued by the club, has to be investigated, it's an absolute disgrace. Can the club go any lower than that?

Nick Page
89 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:15:08

"Directors were instructed to not attend Saturday's fixture following a thorough security assessment in advance of the game. The guidance was based on intelligence gathered and information received directly by the Club."

: "#EFC's game with #SaintsFC was made a high risk fixture following consultation with @MerseyPolice

. Following further discussions with the force, the Club can confirm Everton's next fixture at Goodison Park (#AFC on Sat 4 Feb) will also be categorised as high risk.

: "The Club will not be making any comment related to specific historic incidents. The health, safety and security of our supporters, staff and players is and will always remain our top priority." #EFC

Tony Abrahams
90 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:16:22
So the rumours must be true about Mykolenko wanting to return to Ukraine because he feels very unsafe around the County Road area?
Will Mabon
91 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:18:41
"The Club will not be making any comment related to specific historic incidents."

2 weeks = ancient history.

Top squirm, guys.

Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:20:10
In the meantime, what is going to be happening with regards the most important aspect of our football club?
Barry Hesketh
93 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:24:00
Tony @92,

The club will not be making any comment related to specific historic mistakes, nor will it act decisively to correct those mistakes – in fact, it cannot rule out that future mistakes will not occur.

Eddie Dunn
94 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:24:09
Yes Tony,

The biggest problem is the manager and the need for new players. Both issues seem to have been forgotten by the custodians of our club.

Andy Walker
95 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:24:29
I don't see how we can rule out the following scenario:

1) Before the match, the police received credible intel from their own sources, that the safety of the directors was threatened if they attended the game.

2) The police told the Board and recommended the directors didn't attend on the basis of the potential threat of violence against them.

3) The Board issued its statement before the game stating the directors wouldn't attend due to safety concerns.

4) After the game various alleged incidents took place outside the ground.

5) The police contacted the Board after the game to ask if they had actually received any direct threats (they said no) and also to discuss the alleged incidents outside the ground after the match.

6) The police are continuing to investigate the matter.

All seems perfectly feasible to me.

Way too much of an echo chamber going on here I think. I respectfully suggest we need to all calm it for the good of all of us and the club.

Now is not the time to do this. The team is the priority and this sort of shit really doesn't help our survival chances.

Mark Ryan
96 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:24:36
The board make the Police aware. The Police give advice. Other intelligence shows a build up of Social Media. No DIRECT threat made to an individual. Result = we advise you stay away. That info is given to the club's Safety Officer. He is not a Policeman. He is an employee of the club.

The Police advise him. There is not a Kenwright hotline or at least I would not expect there to be. The intel is filtered between the Safety Group and the Police. It's not rocket science. It's simply info being shared. Decision made.

If I was advising Anthony Gordon, I'd say, based on post match Saturday, "Don't drive to the ground for the foreseeable because there is a risk to your safety." That is based on the footage of the bell-end chasing his car and filming it all.

It's not a direct threat made to the Police or to him. It's purely info / intelligence.

Will Mabon
97 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:25:03
The club will not be making any comment related to important aspects.
Nick Page
98 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:25:15
As bad as The Sun this lot. There is no coming back from this ever.

Vilifying match-going, paying fans who absolutely love the club because they've completely fucked up is beyond contempt. I don't think I've ever seen such a transparent attempt to create division and pass the blame outside of actual politics.

Will Mabon
99 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:29:03
The police take in a lot of money for policing football clubs so there is a chance they and the club might work together to clear any "misunderstanding".
Matt Henderson
100 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:33:03
Mark – the statement reads no threats or incidents were reported to the police before the game!

If the Board had made the police aware as you speculate at 96, then the statement by the police would not have been so definitive. The statement by the police puts the Club in a spot of bother.

If the Board had made the police aware before the game, I'm sure the police would have touched on that very important point in their statement and said something like “The police were made aware pre-game of ….. and are now liaising with the Club”.

The police are instead politely saying that they knew nothing about any incidents.

Ernie Baywood
101 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:33:41
On the plus side... it took only a relatively small amount of pressure to make the club act in such a ridiculous and transparently dishonest way.

It might suit the media to report it... but they're also seeing how ridiculous it is. The leadership at this club is highlighting just how inept they are.

Keep applying pressure. Keep it above the law. Keep feeding them the rope and they'll do the rest.

Mark Ryan
102 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:34:16
Rob @ 85.

I do not hold any facts. It's a guess based on experience.
I just see this as a sideshow and, whilst I think it is damaging to our club, I think chasing players' cars is far more concerning for the spirit of the team and that concerns me more right now.

Tony Abrahams
103 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:44:19
It's a good point Ernie, but it's also very damaging to everyone connected to Everton, mate. I could go on, you probably know my feelings, but sadly this is what it has come to.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone John 8:7. Such irony.

Sean Kelly
104 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:44:57
Pat Kelly classic
Bobby Mallon
105 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:47:48
I say boycott the game against Arsenal.

Don't go – just leave the place empty.

Pat Kelly
106 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:51:16
Broadly speaking, the fans have no faith in the owner (whoever it is), the Board, the manager and the players.

The owner has blamed the fans.

The Board has blamed and vilified the fans.

The players have no faith in themselves and the manager.

The manager claims (understandably) not to be the best coach in the world. But he gets Everton.

Keep the faith.

Matt Henderson
107 Posted 16/01/2023 at 20:57:28
Good synopsis at 106 Pat. Maybe Frank should pin that up in the rooms to inspire the boys - I’m sure it would work
Stu Darlington
108 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:07:58
Finally, Trumpism comes to Merseyside. Continually make unfounded assertions about something and it must be true, mustn't it?
Mike Kehoe
109 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:19:32
It is hard to see how to protest effectively in a way that will get public attention and not discredit the reputation of the fans.

I think the message of contempt for the board would be deafening if the fans held a minute's silence and just stared at the board.

No headlocks, no threats just dignified protest at the death of this club.

Kevin Molloy
110 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:24:27
We're in the hands of gangsters. Gangsters who have been officially sanctioned by this country for their links to Putin. The public face of the gangsters was the Scouse figureheads in the boardroom. This latest move is removing that badge.

I can see them both stepping down in the next few days. A lot of people will cheer. I'm not so sure. I think we could well be screwed here. Burning car over a cliff scenario. Assuming that Moshiri will be brought to heel by this, I think is an optimistic take.

Chris Corn
111 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:25:02
Mike Kehoe, would we be allowed to blink?
Danny O’Neill
112 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:27:10
Seeing the clip of Jeff whatever his name is on Sky describing the scenes outside Goodison as torrid less than 12 months after the very same scenes were being marvelled at as unrivalled passion really got to me. We, the supporters, have been vilified.

The media has bought into the narrative that those at the top of the club created to deflect their own failings. I don't care for Kenwright or Denise, but Graeme Sharp should walk out in protest to retain his dignity and reputation.

On the whole police advice thing. I've not liked the way they have reacted in recent years. We saw the heavy handed reaction at Old Trafford in the FA Cup match. Okay, not exactly on French or Italian baton wielding standards, but over the top and they had to pull out after antagonising the supporters and making an issue out of god knows what.

I know the derby matches are more toxic than they used to be, but marching Everton and Liverpool fans down as if they are a 1980s London or Manchester away following? Most of us are related!!

Sometimes the authorities create the issue in the first place. I can remember watching a gap open up in the Kop at half time as one or two had a Mexican dance off to the amusement of both sets of supporters when we used to take a 3rd of the Kop to the right hand side as you looked at it.

Us throwing abuse at the Kopites who used to take up position and gather in the lower section of the lower Gwladys Street. But we all travelled together, met up after and went home together.

Is it right? No. But sometimes poor judgement can add fuel to the fire. Everton has handled this badly and created an unnecessary situation. They have alienated the one asset that they rely on the most.

Mike Kehoe
113 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:29:58
Yes, collectively Morse-code ‘nil satis nisi optimum' at them.

That would defo be first on Match of the Day.

Ken Kneale
114 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:33:54
Danny - if Graeme Sharp walked and spoke out, do you think the game would be up for others? If so, I wonder if pressure is being applied to stay come what may.

Kenwright is used to and can play the media. Not sure about Sharp – I suspect he must feel very conflicted

Ray Jacques
115 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:35:56
This board is an utter disgrace.

Simple fact is they didn't want to come to the game as they knew there was going to be a protest so they cowardly stayed away.

Can you imagine a fan has our female CEO in a headlock but no one sees it, tried to stop it, tells anyone or even records it/ puts it on Twitter, it's ridiculous!

They must be petrified because I reckon there's some big shit to come out about Usmanov and his involvement in the club.

If we are relegated, as is looking increasingly likely, so much will come out in the fall-out, the club will implode. Don't think we've seen anything yet but fans aren't stupid, they know it's dodgy and shady.

Neil Copeland
116 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:38:00
Mike #113, I think we will need more than a minute. It will take more than that to collectively get passed “n”
Bobby Mallon
117 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:38:26
Nick Page 98 have you not? It started with the hiring of that red fucker Rafa, they the board don't give two flying fucks about the fans.
Robert Carney
118 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:38:36
Thinking of peaceful ways to boycott and making a very strong point, is this a good suggestion?

Turning our backs to the pitch on 18 minutes and leaving the ground on 78.

Twenty friends responded to a message I did on WhatsApp and all thought they could go along with it,

Derek Thomas
119 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:38:52
The Everton VIP section must be like the old Boys Pen on a very rough day. The Chairman must've felt right at home. I hope the CEO had her bus fare safely in her shoe.

Of course if there is an ounce of truth in it all, the culprit(s) need hammering and Security needs their arses kicking.

I expect the whole thing... the damage now having been done and Scousers once more besmirched – by one of our supposed 'own' no less... will be now played down.

The Club and Chairman will, in best 'Dick Dastardly & Muttley' mode be laughing up its sleeve as the thrown mud continues to stick.

The Police will, sometime down the track, issue a non-committal statement 'nothing to see here, Investigations proved inconclusive, not in the public interest to proceed' blah, blah etc, etc.

Danny @ 112; The same fans they'll probably be exhorting to get behind the team come May.

Ray Jacques
120 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:43:51
The owner of our once proud club is acting like the government.

Twelve months ago, the fans are praised for keeping us up but now blamed for bad managerial appointments.

welve months ago the govt telling us all to clap for NHS, now they won't even pay the same people a living wage.

Dave Lynch
121 Posted 16/01/2023 at 21:58:54
After all the shit that has happened over the past week part of me (a large part) hopes we do go down... well wouldn't be arsed is a better way of putting it.

I can't put up with worry and uncertainty anymore, if this is what it takes to remove this board... bring it on.

It's only a matter of time before I give up altogether if this shit continues.

Andrew Bentley
122 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:02:52
This now posted on BBC sport:

Everton are reviewing all their security arrangements after the club's board of directors missed Saturday's game against Southampton because of threats to their safety.

The board of directors did not attend after "threatening correspondence".

In consultation with police, Everton classed the fixture as "high risk" - a status also given to their next home game on 4 February against Arsenal.

I'm confused. Merseyside police saying nothing was raised with them, but the above says Directors stayed away after game being classed high risk in consultation with the Police. Well which is it? Did they know before the game and agree it was high risk - eg. There were credible threats? Or was nothing raised with them?

Whole thing smells of bullshit.

Peter Mills
123 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:03:20
In the photo at the top of the article, is that the great Derek Temple left all on his own having to witness the shambles?

I hope not.

Ken Kneale
124 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:07:11
Peter -sadly for him, I believe so. His harrowed look says it all. He, like us, must be asking "how did it come to this?"

Stan Grace
125 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:07:25
I find it very sad that a number of contributors to this site have preferred to put their faith in the board of directors' narrative while at the same time question the integrity of those contributors who didn't. After this police statement I'd be interested to know their current viewpoint.
Colin Glassar
126 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:07:58
The board have effectively declared war on their own fans. They have surely now crossed the rubicon.
Stan Grace
127 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:12:11
Crossed the Rubicon and heading towards Barnard Castle.
Anthony Hawkins
128 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:15:52
Reading the BBC report, there is nothing.

"In consultation with police, Everton classed the fixture as "high risk" – a status also given to their next home game on 4 February against Arsenal."

What that means is they knew a protest was happening and the club were concerned it might get heated.

"Earlier on Monday, Merseyside Police said no threats or incidents had been reported to officers prior to Saturday's game."

No threats reported to police prior to game

So no threats or incidents reported prior to the weekend's game, yet Denise Barrett-Baxendale was apparently assaulted, manhandled, sorry at the Brighton game..., which wasn't reported so can't have been part of the advisory for the Southampton and Arsenal games.

Had a fan assaulted or manhandled one of the board, their name would have been taken and steps made to charge or bar the individual.

But they "...added officers were aware of videos on social media of fans approaching players' cars as they made their way from Goodison Park after the 2-1 defeat."

Have they seen how passionate fans can get and the damage they can do? There's been nothing like that so far. It's been extremely passive so far.

Dave Lynch
129 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:17:40
I've just had a message from my lad who is working abroad.

All it said was... "Hi dad I'm fine and well... what a gang of wankers."

Neil Copeland
130 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:20:14
Colin #126, no way back for them.

Bill will claim ill health is keeping him away. A bit trickier for the others, maybe they will just resign? Moshiri never goes to Goodison anyway these days so it is easier for him.

Will Mabon
131 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:22:47

Correct. That BBC article is as disjointed and confused as the whole situation itself thus far, with no real correlation and timeline. I'll assume it's a result of the writing and composition but the piece sheds no further light on nor accurately explains what's happened. Becoming a theme of this whole shebang.

Trying to get clear information in a comprehensible form without bias is becoming near impossible.

Neil Lawson
132 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:23:37
Bob 68 (and others),

What gravely angered me was the fact that the so-called "pundits" on TV and radio, and the National (and wider) Press were so quick to condemn the unidentified violent and aggressive supporters purely at the say-so of the suggested advice given and the decision of the absent directors to hide away.

You can not help but conclude that, in part at least, their knee-jerk responses were motivated by the long-existing demonisation of Scousers. It is disgraceful.

Perhaps the chickens are now coming home to roost as little, or, in reality no, evidence exists to support the claims made by the directors. However, the damage is done.

As with most lies, the more you pedal it the more people will believe it until the truth eventually emerges. Hopefully, upon proper forensic scrutiny, that will be very soon.

In the meantime, the club is paralysed. Would anyone seriously want to sign in these circumstances?

If Lampard has to go it should be now. Who in their right mind would replace him apart from chancers after a very fast buck?

Who could you trust to make an appointment? The owners and board deserve to be relegated. The players (some of them at least) the same.

The wonderful fans. They deserve honesty and fight and commitment and an overwhelming recognition that there are no better and more faithful supporters anywhere else in the country.

Anthony Hawkins
133 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:25:35
@Neil Lawson - Sam Allardyce!
Will Mabon
134 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:30:50
Neil C,

I wonder do they need letters of retraction from the threateners to return to normal. How will they know when it's "safe"?

Could be years...

Dave Lynch
135 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:37:13
It may never be safe... unless a full investigation and truthful statement is released by the club or police.

It would imo be in the police interest to make a truthful statement; otherwise, it may cause them a mountain of headaches each matchday.

Danny O’Neill
136 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:38:57
I think Sharp walking would be a statement, Ken. Surely they can't be in that boardroom or their WhatsApp Group pretending everything is okay?

Right now, I will rant all week long, but I really just want us to turn the corner and get results.

But we need change (scratched record). Sell or replace Mr Moshiri.

For now, I just want us to turn the corner and pull us up the table as I'm sure we all do.

Will Mabon
137 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:42:47
I was joking there Dave but you're right. It needs clearing up so the reality can prevail and the bullshit is stopped.
Simon Harrison
138 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:43:12
By heck! Before I read all 120 comments, as of then, the following link was on the BBC's Sports Home page, and the BBC UK News home page. Since I read the comments, approximately 55-60 minutes, you have to dig into the FootballTeamsEverton, and then go down to the second story. Also it's of the BBC News front page.

Here's the link;

BBC News

Now a large amount of people have given their thoughts already, so I'll add mine here.

IF, our CEO had been version a) put into a headlock whilst leaving the Directors Box, or been version b) man-handled whilst leaving the directors box, or version c) been man-handled and spat at whilst approaching her car, or version d) had misogynistic, sexist and abusive language used against her, and been spat at, during the same incident; then why, in this day and age of legal protection for women, did our CEO not immediately report this to the police, and have the individual(s) identified, arrested and banned from the club, on or about the 3.1.23 which was the date of the alleged offence?

Why did the club wait till 14.1.23 before making a statement? Why did in-house security and safety department not collate the evidence and the facts, and present them to the Police for further official investigation?

Oh, and lastly, why are official sources citing FOUR differing versions of the alleged offence?

Why would the club be so reticent about enforcing their legal requirements to properly protect one of the clubs employees, which shouldn't matter if you're a ball-boy, or a CEO, it is a legal requirement.

Now here is another interesting link, stating it is believed that Mr. Kenwright received death threats;

Death Threats


"Author: Carl Markham, PA/Abi Simpson

Published 15th Jan 2023

Last updated 15th Jan 2023

Everton were forced into an unprecedented step of ordering all board members to stay away from their match with Southampton following reports of death threats and an assault.

It's believed death threats sent to Chairman Bill Kenwright and a reported assault on Chief Executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale forced the move."

Further down the piece it states, "The PA news agency understands Kenwright this week received death threats via email"

Again, if that was the case and the club internally thought it was 'Real and credible', they why have the club not reported this to the Police for further investigation. Tracing an Email, is not very hard for any Law Enforcement Agency, due to the nature of email creation and retention.

Therefore, again the club is being negligent regards the safety of another of their employees. If a death threat had been received and reported to the in-house security team, they have broken their legal safe-guarding requirement to report it to the relevant authority for a 'risk-assessment'.

As for all else, regarding any safety or security risk, any and all information should have been reported to the Police for an official 'risk-assessment'.

Basically, at best, the club tried to maintain secrecy over an assault or affray with malice event, and death threats. Why..? Go figure, it smacks of... incompetence at best to me.

At worst, it is gross-negligence on behalf of the security and safety team AND the Executive team, for not making the Police aware of the potential, and actual threats and assaults.

After thinking about this since yesterday evening, including writing an email to the BBC's MotD producer regarding Ian Wright's unsubstantiated comments delivered as fact; I can only conclude is that the Executive team, and the S&S department have dug themselves a hole in light of todays announcement by Merseyside Police (MP).

Personally, I'd like MP to ask Mr. Kenwright for all emails pertaining to the alleged death threats.

I'd also like MP to ask the Club for any evidence of any incident regarding our CEO on the evening of 3.1.23. Along with an interview with our CEO to determine the facts as experienced by herself.

IMHO, unless this happens, how can anyone maintain faith in the club.

Sorry, I do try and not type too much, honest! (Dave Abrahams :) )

Ernie Baywood
139 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:44:56
Andrew #122,

I'd imagine there would be a meeting with Merseyside Police before every game and a risk classification decided. I'm also pretty sure that this one would have been classed as high risk, similar to big rivalries. That would have dictated the police presence required.

But it's business as usual type stuff. It's nothing to do with allegations of physical assault on our female CEO. That didn't hit the presses until the day of the game.

Regardless of whether it happened, it was used as propaganda. It's the only bit in all of this that I'm 100% sure of.

Shots fired.

Neil Copeland
140 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:45:27
Spirit of the blues at 134, that may give them the perfect excuse to resign and get a payoff into the bargain. Unsafe workplace and all that…
Ernie Baywood
141 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:46:15
It's also damaging that the club is not commenting at all on the supposed leak.

They could comment. They're making a choice not to. Read into that what you will.

Will Mabon
142 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:47:30

sometimes it can go the other way. The playing staff detach themselves from the melee and decide to really go for it regardless. Here's hoping!

Brent Stephens
143 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:47:51
Dave #135

"It would imo be in the police interest to make a truthful statement, otherwise it may cause them a mountain of headaches each matchday."

Dave, presumably the police statement at the very start of this thread should be taken at face value, and an indication that the police are distancing themselves from the (false) narrative and spin that Everton have been putting on things.

“Any threats reported to Merseyside Police would be assessed and investigated as a matter of course, and any appropriate safety measures implemented... At this stage no offences have been reported.”

Their apparent advice "to ensure that any future reports are received through existing channels" suggests that the club had not reported any of the alleged incidents to the police.

Will Mabon
144 Posted 16/01/2023 at 22:53:43
If nothing else, this all has and will continue to be a fine lesson in the machinations of "modern" communication and media.

Apply the learnings in all areas and watch for those snakes.

Alan Johnson
146 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:04:04
Thinking this is a case for Poirout. He's brilliant at solving smoke & mirror cases. Can soneone ask Bill for Agatha's phone number?
Neil Lawson
148 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:11:34
If threats had been made prior to the game on Saturday, it must have been in writing in some form. As mentioned above, every likelihood that the source(s) can be traced. That discloses various potential criminal offences.

It is also a matter of general security and safety and the club would be anxious to identify the miscreants and ban them for life. The absence of any complaint or material given to the Police can only lead to one conclusion. Everyone on TW knew what that conclusion was on Saturday.

Pete Clarke
149 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:19:06
This as usual with regards to all things bad at Everton has got Bill's fingerprints all over it.

Along with 20 years of lies and bullshit he has now gone and put his own fellow overpaid board members heads on the line and inadvertently also thrown Everton supporters under the media bus. This man has no shame and will probably throw Moshiri under the bus too once the pressure mounts.

Graeme Sharpe should resign and get back on board with the fans before he's also isolated forever and surely he is being torn apart by this feeling.

As for Frank Lampard well it's clear he is shot to pieces and can't get any more from this team. Only a win at West Ham will keep him in place but if not I'm hoping he resigns if not for his own health as he looks haunted.

Lastly, can we not have a fans representative to demand proof of this allegation so we can hopefully clear our name and get the media scum off our back?

Shameful to say that the further demonization of scousers is coming from a scouser himself. I only refer to his birthright in this of course because he is now so far removed from working-class level that he looks down upon us as low-life commoners as do a lot of people of his ilk.

We need this man out of our club ASAP before more damage is done.

James Newcombe
150 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:21:56
Remember that time someone filmed that creature sneakily wiping bogies on a woman’s hair? But somehow a headlock wasn’t witnessed by anybody!
Barry Hesketh
151 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:32:19
The following is an extract of the report in the Echo, by Joe Thomas less than two hours prior to kickoff on Saturday.

Everton chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale was 'put in a headlock' as she left the Goodison Park directors' box, club sources claim.

Another incident reportedly saw her car surrounded and spat at, while chairman Bill Kenwright is said to have received death threats. This is understood to be part of the backdrop to the safety advice warning the pair, and the rest of the club board, not to attend the club's crucial tie with Southampton on Saturday.

That advice was detailed in a statement released by the club just hours before the game, following which a peaceful protest against the running of the club was due to be held. Organisers had called for the demonstration to be respectful and immediately condemned any threats made towards club staff or directors.

A club spokesperson described the situation as a "profoundly sad day" for Everton after it was announced the board had been urged to stay away from the ground due to a “real and credible threat to their safety and security”. Mr Kenwright, Prof Barrett-Baxendale, chief finance and strategy officer Grant Ingles and non-executive director Graeme Sharp have "reluctantly accepted the outcome of the safety assessment", it was added.

Within the statement, the club made reference to malicious communications and "increasing incidents of anti-social behaviour – including targeted physical aggression - at recent home matches". Everton sources claim they have included the incidents focused on Prof Barrett-Baxendale, threats towards Mr Kenwright and the throwing of a crowd barrier into a glass door following the defeat to Brighton and Hove Albion.

Don't Attend advice

I suppose that Saturday's encounter was always going to be a potential security risk and the late decision by the protest groups to target the Southampton match rather than the initially planned Arsenal protest may have caught the club and its security team off guard.

What I fail to understand is why none of the incidents in previous matches were reported to the relevant authorities and why the club failed to act against the people responsible for them.

Colin Gee
152 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:39:52
Has a Board ever turned on the fans like this before? I know they hated Ashley up at Newcastle but was it ever this bad? Or anywhere else?

As far as I can see, there is no way back now for any of the Directors of Everton Football Club or Moshiri.

Eric Haworth
153 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:50:58
“Oh what a tangled web”…

If we just consider what we actually know, as opposed to our varying opinions we're still left with conflicting accounts which tend to tell there own story.

Firstly, we have the EFC statement prior to Saturday's game & without dealing with its veracity, it was carefully constructed in such a way as to give the impression that the advice had come from an “Official” source, ie, Merseyside Police, which it clearly wasn't, it was an internal EFC source. So effectively the directors accounting for their own absence & directing the blame at us.

But more significantly it laid the ground with their opening gambit of fear for their personal physical safety following recent events? This begged the question, “what recent events”, booing poor performances?

We didn't have to wait long for our answer, and what hotly followed was a clearly coordinated albeit less official expose via their media outlets, defining the physical nature of those “recent events” & the notorious headlock on DBB.

The national media frenzy that ensued prompted Merseyside Police to issue their own official statement to distance themselves from that of EFC with an unmistakable rap on the knuckles for going straight to the media with allegations of criminal activity that excluded Merseyside Police, making them look incompetent for being totally in the dark.

Make no mistake, online threats & physical assault are criminal acts that the Police have to take seriously, so they won't take kindly to being publicly humiliated in this way. Hence the reference & reminder to EFC that things will be handled correctly in the future.

This also, led to EFC attempts at damage limitation by backtracking today via their media outlets & “headlock” suddenly being downgraded to mere “jostling”, a significant difference, with every fan in the country being subject to jostling at every game throughout the season, queuing entering/exiting grounds, for refreshments, for toilets, etc.

Further EFC damage limitation was also attempted via tweets from their friends at Liverpool Echo, to give the impression that they had been working with Merseyside Police, despite the Police's statement to the contrary.

However, what they're trying to use to confuse matters is the normal category grading they do as a matter of course with the Police for every home game to determine the scale of Police presence required, which comes at a significant cost to EFC & increases with the perceived scale of risk for such games as the derby, etc.

They may well have had an increased presence on Saturday due to the planned sit-in, which potentially involved thousands of fans? But nothing at all to do with online trolling or alleged historical assaults of which the Police had no knowledge?

All-in-all, a very tangled web that begs all sorts of questions & does them no credit whatsoever, but unfortunately that's Kenwright's EFC, so sad!

Derek Knox
154 Posted 16/01/2023 at 23:55:48
Neil Lawson @ 132, spot on there mate, Walter Scott once wrote :

Oh what a tangled Web we Weave,
When we first practice to deceive.

I am not referring to the 'we' as us, but I think you can identify the guilty without too much head scratching.

It almost beggars belief that people on TW, not necessarily this thread, think it is all a conspiracy to destabilise the Board.

My message to them, "They are perfectly capable of doing that themselves!"

As Ernie Baywood said @ 101 "Keep applying pressure. Keep it above the law. Keep feeding them the rope and they'll do the rest."

Again spot on there, like in Martial Arts, use your opponent's weight to your advantage!

Don Alexander
155 Posted 16/01/2023 at 00:00:13
We're allegedly owned by an accountant successfully skilled in keeping opaque the source, investment and location of the money of a mega-billionaire acolyte of war criminal Putin - his personal "friend".

We're allegedly "led" by a provenly self-serving (at our club, and our personal expense) repeated liar who's placed his self-termed "Lil' Miss Dynamite" as CEO despite the total unsustainability of her CV for the role, then Sharp as "director without portfolio" (just what is your role, Graeme?) and someone else called Ingles.

Why does anyone afford any of these parasites any credibility at all when it comes to these so-called "credible threats" against them?

Dave Lynch
156 Posted 16/01/2023 at 00:13:30
Brent @143.

I get that mate... but a lot of fans don't use social media platforms like this.

Also a certain percentage may not comprehend what the police are alluding to or saying.

A simple statement of... 'no evidence was offered or forthcoming that said offences were ever committed or ever happened' would make it a lot clearer.

Derek Knox
157 Posted 17/01/2023 at 00:14:53
Don, it smacks to me of appointing sycophants who, by virtue of self-preservation and a comfortable existence, their silence is almost guaranteed.

Don't rock the boat while we are in calm waters!

Now the sea is becoming angry, and turbulent, be interesting to see how many rats actually leave a sinking ship, or revert to self-preservation mode!

Kieran Kinsella
158 Posted 17/01/2023 at 00:22:09
EFC will allow a dangerous individual to roam the streets without a ban from Goodison – much less a police report?

What a crock!

Pete Clarke
159 Posted 17/01/2023 at 00:52:27

Our board are not really coming out and turning on us head on, they are using political-style ways to portray themselves as victims in a way to hide all of their shortcomings. No board would ever take the supporters full on because there is only one way that goes.

Moshiri, by backing his manager and board and now the board themselves with the “Headlock Gate” have started something that hopefully brings about their downfall.

There's a video out there somewhere showing Newcastle supporters calling Ashley a “Fat Cockney Bastard” but I don't remember it being shown all over the media.

Look at them now though!

If it was possible to be arrested for my thoughts towards our leaders, I would be locked up right now.

Mark Taylor
160 Posted 17/01/2023 at 00:57:27
This club is literally disintegrating.

It's beginning to remind me of Owen Oyston's Blackpool years. Is that our future?

Steve Brown
161 Posted 17/01/2023 at 01:46:25
Interestingly, the club's underhand tactics and declaration of war on the fans has united us all even more. I have rarely seen such unity in sentiments posted.

NSNOW and other fan groups need to take advantage of this. But, fans need to stay smart and calm.

Peaceful protests inside and outside the ground are essential. Do not give the board the excuse to besmirch our name.

Iain Johnston
162 Posted 17/01/2023 at 03:51:07
It would appear that the Arsenal game will also be 'high risk' so they probably won't attend that either.
Eric Myles
163 Posted 17/01/2023 at 05:19:25
Length #43,

It wouldn't hit them in the pockets though, most of our home game attendees are season ticket holders. The Club already has their money so won't care.

Eric Myles
164 Posted 17/01/2023 at 05:36:54
Rob #70, also true that the Club would not lose money from onsite sales of non-attendees.

F&B is outsourced, as is the merchandise. Not sure about programmes but how much is that worth?

Alan J Thompson
165 Posted 17/01/2023 at 05:39:53
The Board would have done well to heed Abe Lincoln's advice all those years ago:

"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time."

Never let them forget.

Chris Donnelly
166 Posted 17/01/2023 at 06:35:53
I understand that it's a majority of season tickets holders, but the effect that a mass boycott would open everybody's eyes to the fact that we are being ostracised by our own owners, that the fabrication of lies that have made us the problem, and it will also show that the board have lied to us constantly for years.

This kind of action is peaceful, and has never been done to my knowledge. We as faithful working-class passionate fans have to take a stand, okay they already have the money for our season tickets, but the amount of money that is raised each match day by programs, refreshments etc is a huge dent in their income, plus all the police presence that needs to be paid for, even when there are no home fans.

It is the pure effect that this action will show, that the Everton family are united as one, and we will no longer stand by and take this from a corrupt dictatorship.

I don't condone any kind of violence, there is not a place for it anywhere in football, so the biggest show of strength will be to stay away, watch the games in the pub or at home, and see on BT Sport a mostly empty stadium, that will definitely get the media talking, and then the media can't carry on their bias against the fans.

We have done on a whole, nothing wrong as fans, we don't deserve to be tarred with the brush of hooliganism, we are passionate about what is part of our DNA.

We love our club, we have to be strong and show in numbers that we demand change.

Steve Brown
167 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:00:15
More national media picking up the story now:

Police say they did not receive reports of threats to Everton’s directors
– The Guardian

The proverbial worm is turning.

Jim Bennings
168 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:01:10
Joke club with a disgrace of a board.

If this really happened why was it not reported the morning after Brighton?

Release a statement on the morning of the Southampton game?

Fuckin nuts.

Brent Stephens
169 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:22:38
Dave #156,

Yes, that simple statement would have been, well, simpler. I guess Merseyside Police didn't want to be seen as openly-critical, knowing that the message would at least get across to EFC anyway.

Derek Thomas
170 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:36:22
I know its easy for me to say 'Boycott' living 12,000miles way - but I really hope it happens.

And if NSNOW, get really cute, it could be a case of - 'What if we called a mass protest...and nobody came?' if you get my drift.

100s of cops, barriers, riot shields, water cannon, the full civil uprising Monty and one man and his dog turn up with a Father Ted-esque placard - "Down with this sort of thing'.

Egg on Board faces all round

Breaking wind in the Palaces of the mighty - what's not to like?

Colin Glassar
171 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:44:09
Good piece by Michael Ball in the Echo. He puts the blame on everyone at the club but especially on our absent owner, Moshiri.

I bet he doesn't have a clue what's going on at the club and, even worse, doesn't care.

Any chance of a sale or investment seems to have disappeared. No transfer deals on the horizon. No money. The club are in deep shit.

Instead of looking for phantom assaults, nasty letters and naughty banners, Merseyside police should be investigating Moshiri and Co for fraud.

Jerome Shields
172 Posted 17/01/2023 at 07:47:44
The Barrett-Baxendale incident was provided by a Club Source, from what I have read. The Security and Safety Officer was, as pointed out by other posters, never named.bIf the Club has not taken action regarding an assault, there is a problem regarding duty of care.

So it is hard not to think the above is not an attempt by the Club to spin things. The police are saying that nothing was reported to them. It seems they are trying to defuse a situation and deal with facts going forward. As other posts say, the tone of the Police and Press is interesting, all crossing the 't's and dotting the 'i's.

Andy Duff
173 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:17:45
What really annoys me about this is the things not reported.

They want a violent fan reaction – the idiots chasing the players played exactly into their hands.

On Saturday security was heightened in the ground. There are reports of them deliberately being over zealous in the Gwladys Street with checks almost trying to wind the fans up.

During the sit in there was no violence, fans talked to stewards everything was peaceful. There was a massive police and steward presence, particularly at the Gwladys Street end, but nothing happened.

The Southampton players came out for their warm-down, completely ignored by our fans. Our players didn't come out. Did they fear them getting abused? Was this a security risk? I think the "You're not fit to wear the shirt" at the end of the match might have led to this decision.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened. Would they have been booed, would they have been supported? Maybe the players should have come out to face it. Show they actually care.

The way the club had behaved is abhorrent and should be the final nail on its coffin.

Unfortunately, you have fans turning on fans – especially on Facebook. We have the club using the media to play the victims and portray the fans as the villans, the club have done exactly what they wanted.

As a season ticket holder, I'd happily get behind a boycott; however, the following will happen.

Fans will be painted as the villains not supporting the club and players when they needed them most. You'll have a bigger divide in the fanbase and the club will get what they wanted.

Then the result, Everton lose: it's the fans' fault for not turning up to support them, Everton win: they won because the toxic fans stayed away and all this mess is the fans' fault after all. Either way, the fans can't win with a boycott.

Something needs to be done, the club have declared war – the fans need to unite and fight this.

Unfortunately, without media help, we will lose. To me, it all seems pretty pointless. There is no quick-fix answer and nothing at all will change. We will also walk into relegation and may never come back up.

They have destroyed the club.

RIP Everton 1878 to 2023.

Peter Neilson
174 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:18:56
Decent piece in The Guardian this morning by Jonathan Liew:

Everton protests are not about money, they are about hope and connection

At least not swallowing the club's statements and a more balanced view on the protest. (Maybe a bit doom-laden in the last paragraph.)

Eric Myles
175 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:19:19
I think pressure now has to be put on the police to investigate and publicly report their findings.

The question of "threats" to my mind is a no-brainer. Of course there's been hate mail to the board, as there has to any board of every football club in the country. But a "credible threat" of imminent physical danger? I think not.

Ask the police were there any such "threats" directed towards Lampard and the players? Oh, there were? (Of course there were!) so why weren't they advised not to attend and the game postponed?

As to the physical assault, what evidence have the police found? Will they come out and fully exonerate the fans if there is found to be none? Will they prosecute the Club official who made up the story?

The police should interview those two players who were "abused" after the game. Did they fear physical harm? Were they fearful of the safety of their kids? What do they feel about the board putting them in such a situation by hiding away themselves?

I would suggest a spokesperson for NSNOW approach the Merseyside Police and act as liaison between the police and the fans in establishing the truth and ensuring anyone guilty of lying or assault gets identified and exposed. On both sides.

Tony Abrahams
176 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:23:02
It's not something that I am going to go on about any longer after this post, but the club are 100% an absolute disgrace in the way they have dealt with this.

A very patronizing Liverpudlian told me I should go to bed and sleep on it with regards to my views on those silly teenagers on the streets after the match. I told him that even if I was Rip van Winkle, I would still wake up feeling the same way.

Now the Arsenal game is high risk? Everton Football Club have scored one of the most “historic” (dirty, cheeky, horrible, patronizing, deceitful and unworthy bastards) unprecedented own-goals and it absolutely stinks to high heaven.

Oh dear... what have we become???

Colin Glassar
177 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:24:33
Good point, Eric.

Let's have a public enquiry. Make the board show their evidence of threatening emails, tweets, letters, film footage etc….

If they can't then they should resign en masse.

Eric Myles
178 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:25:14
Chris #166,

"but the amount of money that is raised each match day by programs, refreshments etc is a huge dent in their income"

Afraid not, refreshments and merch are outsourced, the Club doesn't make a penny from sales. Not sure about programmes but the would hardly pay for a new strikers big toe I'd bet.

Jim Bennings
179 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:36:42
The club has successfully alienated the core of what kept it in the Premier League last season.

The support.

They have laid blame at the door of the support and taken the easy way out of the mess they and the owner has created.

I don't blame Thelwell, Sharp, even Barrett-Baxendale because for a start off, Thelwell and Sharp have only recently been appointed and Barrett-Baxendale is basically not a football CEO, it's not her fault she was appointed.

The one thing they should do, Sharp especially – being a club legend, is hand in his resignation, show you are not happy with the way things are going; don't be a spineless shithouse and sit quiet.

The club is absolutely ridden to the core with toxicity, it's broken, factions have developed across the club, the disconnects between the board, fans, and players are now worse than they've ever been.

I see no way back for the board now; they can't return to Goodison again now, and the statement from the eve of the Southampton game has pushed the situation over the boundary.

Darren Hind
180 Posted 17/01/2023 at 08:53:03
Peter @174,

Thank you for flagging that article up.

I've become disillusioned with The Guardian in recent years, so I would almost certainly have missed it.

Jonathan Liew's piece is unerringly accurate.

Well worth clicking on Peter's link if you didn't catch the article.

Nick Page
181 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:11:17
An excellent article, Darren. Thanks Peter.

Jon Liew is one of the better football/sports journalists (actually by a long way) as he's always been prepared to tackle issues away from the mainstream, tired narratives.

I'm not sure it's ever hopeless – look at Newcastle, Brighton, Fulham, Brentford – but it's a tough ask to break the Sky 6 ceiling. And that's all we've ever wanted – to have a good go.

That's it. And with the right backing, it's possible. Instead, this bunch have mismanaged the millions to such an extent, they have effectively relegated us and broken the club.

Peter Carpenter
182 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:13:59
Yes, a very good article. Wish he had expanded on the 'intentionally imprecise messaging' and left out the last paragraph, but there's a lot of truth in this.
Bill Fairfield
183 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:16:59
Wonder if the Board of Directors will be taking their place at the London Stadium this weekend?

After all, there will be 3,000 loyal Evertonians there…

George McKane
184 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:20:17
Coming Soon - - From Hammer House of Horror - - starring - - Christopher Kenwright Lee - Peter Moshiri Cushing and Ingrid Baxendale Pitt - - - - with Sam Kydd, Alfie Bass and Fenella Fielding as The Fans.

"The Club that Ate Itself".

A Tale of Modern-day Cannibalism.

This somehow came into my head this morning after an intense day yesterday of Media frenzy - - I received many calls for comments but since I wasn't there felt I could not make a statement - - I spoke with many from The Dark House Blues and the consensus was "too toxic" to speak to the media - - cannot argue with that - - BUT - - from such committed genuine articulate Blues at TDH I felt we should say something - - I am preparing a new FB Page around the concept of SOE - - Save Our Everton - - or Reclaiming Our Club for Real Football Fans - - a plan to Revive and Revitalise OUR Club - - and will then try to connect with other groups/Media and so on - - please let me know what you think - - this is OUR Club.

Peter Carpenter
185 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:21:35
Too risky, Bill. The West Ham fans will be furious if they don't agree to take Moyes back.
Nick Page
186 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:21:36
Imagine a government releasing a wishy-washy statement saying they couldn't turn up because someone said they didn't like them. They must get it all the time. That's why they have security. And they say, they will never give in to threats (and terrorism).

Blue Bill and Barrett-Baxendale could easily have turned up Saturday in a show of defiance and even tried to speak to fans. But this cowardly and divisive action was only ever a PR stunt concocted by Kenwright because that is what that man does best – look after himself. He's a cunt. And that's a horrible word but he is. 100%.

We should have done this in 2010, that's my biggest regret.

Danny O’Neill
187 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:22:53
Wow. That was a stark, if somewhat emotional read.

Those poor suffering young supporters.

Very good article and the national media now questioning the club's behaviour at the weekend.

I see very little opportunity to reverse back from this for the owner and board now. The damage has been done. I just wish Graeme Sharp hadn't been so compliant and had faced the music. Just like Mina did. Now that is potentially putting yourself at risk doing what he did.

Would you mess with him though?!!

Paul Burns
188 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:24:15
Kenwright is a dead man walking at Everton, the rat has already left the ship.

There is no way back for him and those who aided and abetted him in his lies and actions; he must be terrified as, like Jimmy Saville, the truth is finally coming out.

And there's a lot more to come out. And he knows it.

Barry Hesketh
189 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:30:33
Darren @180.

As you say, the article captures the frustrations of Evertonians pretty well, and it also shines a light on the false promises that the game offers to fans in this modern game.

Only certain fans of certain clubs can experience the very highs that are on offer, which thankfully some of us older fans have witnessed in our lifetime, with Everton, but most of us recognise that most clubs even of our size, are doomed to make up the numbers or constantly suffer the anxiety of dropping out of the top division.

The fact that Everton had the opportunity to regain a foothold in the upper reaches of the game and unbelievably squandered so much money on so little talent, only to put us back to where we were some 20 years ago, is so galling for most of us.

The game used to be about romance and dreams, now it's a rich person's plaything, for them to do as they wish, and as fans we are expected to accept what we are given, with little or no say on how our club is managed.

A shiny new ground will be no use to us if the owners and the decision-makers can't be bothered to address the issues at hand. Like other parts of society, football fans are finally waking up to the fact that they have in most cases been sold a pup, a broken dream, in these dire financial times.

The big-wigs might have to reassess how they create the conditions to make ordinary fans feel that they are truly part of the fabric of the game and not just unwanted guests at somebody else's party.

The fact that our leaders have somehow managed to break Evertonians' spirits and hearts in such a short period of time, should haunt them every waking hour of every day. But it won't because they refuse to accept that they are responsible for any of it, and they can take solace that their own personal social bubble will be there for them when they return to their luxury houses.

No wonder modern day footballers are focussed on anything other than the game; the people who pay them have shown them how little they care, so why should the players.

Steve Brown
190 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:35:24
Danny, when I read the article I thought of my sons, both in their early 20s, they have never seen the success we have.

I don't think the future is as pessimistic as Jonathan Liew paints though.

After the disastrous Mike Ashley years, Newcastle Utd have been transformed since the club was sold on 7 October 2021 — less than 16 months ago.

Darren Hind
191 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:39:07
Ha ha,

Two things on this thread have really cheered me up:

"Ingrid Baxendale Pitt" – Great stuff George. I spent years believing Ingrid Pitt was a bit of rhyming slang rather than the actress's name.

And Danny.

Mina put himself at risk. I know what you meant, but I had another look and I couldn't help noticing how some turned the color of boiled shite when Big Yerry stepped out of the car.

Good job he came in peace.

Jerome Shields
192 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:42:49
This is all definitely spin by the Club. They are looking for incidents and may even be making them up to discredit peace and genuine fan protest. They do not care what fans are tarnished and would even sacrifice the Club's reputation to save their own skins.
Chris Corn
193 Posted 17/01/2023 at 09:54:37
Steve Brown, I would hold off on the description of disastrous Newcastle years, especially if we are relegated.

I honestly think if we go down we will struggle to get up or worse. I think we have a weak mentality permeating throughout the club and have done for some years, even when we were in the upper reaches of the league.

Hindsight is great, but Newcastle returned to Premier League on both occasions quickly. They remained solvent and when Ashley eventually sold up, they were in a financial position where the new owners had a blank canvas.

Combined with sensible recruitment and good coaching they are thriving at thIs time and still have room to move.

The FFP regs in EFL are far more onerous than the Premier League, so we are already painted into a corner in that score. We will have to flog every saleable asset we have to remain above water.

Even if we stay up, we are financially hamstrung for the foreseeable future – even if we were sold on. It's a perpetual shit show...

Mark Ryan
194 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:08:02
It's a good job Anthony Gordon wasn't giving Big Dunc and Thomas Gravesen a lift home when he was chased down the road. Then it would have kicked off, lol!!
Kevin Molloy
195 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:23:58
On the point made by the article about a doom loop, I remember a Jordan Peterson interview where he was talking about hierarchy, how old it is, and why they work.

Appropriately for this situation, he was talking about rats. And that rats like everyone else have their own hierarchy, and that the big rat will play fight with the other rats to see which is best.

But also that, if the little rat (that's us) isn't allowed to win a certain percentage of the bouts, then it won't play... the Little Rat won't play.

I think that eventually that is what is going to happen with footy, most of the participants will realise it's a rigged game, and won't play any more.

Brian Harrison
196 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:27:17
Jonathan Liew in this piece has said everything that most of us are too scared to accept as the reality that is EFC.

He writes, for those clubs outside the VIP circle, that nothing good can ever last, and we only have to look at what Leicester achieved, yet look where they are now – which backs up Liew's view perfectly.

He goes on to say smaller clubs like Everton perhaps should make peace with that reality sooner rather than later.

There will be no Champions League games under the lights in the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock; we won't see the world's finest players ever wear a blue shirt.

Yes, we have a wonderful history and I am one of the lucky ones who watched us win leagues and cups and even a European trophy. And I wish my two sons and my grandsons who are season ticket holders could have those experiences to look forward too.

I really hope that Jonathan Liew is wrong and we can again scale the heights and become a real force in the game; but – hand on heart – I can't see it.

I realize fellow posters will say that's too negative an approach, and they are right: without hope, what is left?

I am now in my 68th year of watching Everton and, for the first time in my life, I am contemplating watching 2nd tier football next season – not something I am looking forward to. How sad to leave Goodison Park and enter the new stadium playing Championship football.

I just hope maybe we can do what Man City did who dropped to the 3rd tier and are now right back at the top, so let's hope we are the exception to Jonathan Liew's prediction.

Mark Ryan
197 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:36:07
It's all about who Moshiri sells to, Brian. Keep the faith, pal.
Dave Lynch
198 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:43:50
Imo, this is the backlash of the once-proposed Super League not coming to fruition.

The FA shit themselves when the "elite" clubs wanted to leave; they are now bending over backwards to make sure that CL football is a certainty for them every season.

The quicker they re-form this "Super League" the better, we can then get back to what matters... football on an even stage.

Jerome Shields
199 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:47:22
I know recent comparison with Newcastle may be relevant, but when did they win anything within living memory? I remember Malcolm McDonald the Geordie Saviour (not!) and Keegan getting emotional. They even had Shearer at one stage.

They have not won anything yet. We all have had our expectations beaten out of us, judging by the comparisons we are making.

Kim Vivian
200 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:50:41
Brian - football in the second tier is just as enjoyable - Once the bitter taste of the pill has dissipated.

Do you think we enjoy the match-going experience any more than the supporters of Preston, Millwall, Derby etc, and all the clubs in the Championship, Leagues One and Two and even the 5th/6th tier?

I think not, especially in the last couple of seasons! It actually means more in a way to the plastic glory-chasing fans of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool and so on who can only countenance domination. As soon as their team slips up they'll move on to the latest "marquee" club

Obviously I don't wish it on Everton but assuming we manage to stay afloat financially, relegation will not be the end of football as we know it.

As Jonathon Liew kind of points out – and this is a point I have frequently made – there are very few clubs who can realistically expect a trophy from year to year, and as a general rule most supporters of all teams are just as passionate about their clubs as we are about ours. Whatever level they're at.

Let real football be the winner.

Michael Lynch
201 Posted 17/01/2023 at 10:59:28
Kim @200. I agree.

I really don't want to be relegated, but if we are (as seems likely), watching us play the likes of Reading and Hull with a chance of winning is preferable to watching the depressing, embarrassing, week after week of humiliation at the hands of the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton, who are hardly giants of the modern game.

It's still football, it's still Everton and there's still glory in victory. And as you say, the Premier League is all about the Sky clubs, the rest of us are making up the numbers. At least the Championship is a competitive, open league.

We're not a club of glory hunters, never have been, and we're not an international corporate brand like the Sky lot. We need to regain our identity, and if we do that in the Championship, so be it. The real worry is whether we just carry on being this shit-show of a club in the lower leagues.

We need to get that ground finished and hopefully wave goodbye to Moshiri as he sells up. He may have been part of the short-term destruction of the club, but his legacy should be an incredible new ground.

Derek Thomas
202 Posted 17/01/2023 at 11:45:26
Years ago Michael Kenrick made a comment (gist) that Evertonians will disagree and argue like cats in a bag.
On a given day you can get a good argument going about what colour socks are traditional 'best', some say all white, some say blue with white tops or is it white with blue tops... or blue and white hoops.

(The correct answer is obviously blue with white tops and shorts with a blue ribbon down the side.)

But the Club have done the near impossible and more or less united a good portion of the fan base (even those mistaken souls who think it's all white).

Kevin Malloy's (@195) doom loop 'King Rat' has launched a sneak attack on all the 'little rats'
But to misquote a Mr Yamamoto...'I hope all he has done is to awaken a (lot of little collective) Sleeping Giant and fill them with a terrible resolve.'

This new resolve, if it indeed exists, needs to be nurtured and properly used.

The king rat has nowhere to go, he's played his big media trump card...and its a bit of a busted flush

It's up to us all to slowly reclaim our club.

Clive Rogers
203 Posted 17/01/2023 at 11:47:16
Michael, agree with what you say, but the problem is if we go down it will be with massive debts. Moshiri will want over £1 billion just to break even. Nobody will pay that for a championship club. The debts will be a millstone around our necks for decades.
Danny O’Neill
204 Posted 17/01/2023 at 11:59:48
Derek, thank you for taking us away from the politics and onto the sock debate. A refreshing respite. You missed out the blue and black touch we had when we last won a trophy.
Danny O’Neill
205 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:13:07
Apologies, it's one day closer to Saturday and I'm looking forward to it. I can't contemplate relegation and hope the players and manager can't despite the circus going on around them and us.

I know some very knowledgable supporters view it might help us reset. I've posted many times citing Manchester City, Newcastle and Aston Villa as it not being the absolute disaster it may seem. But I don't want to see it and want to fight against it. Especially when we are still in the fight.

Add Leeds to that list, even though they are barely any better off than us.

Go back further and for those that remember, the chains and padlocks on the gates of Molinuex as Wolves sat in the 4th tier of English football. Very similar position to us.

Saturday's opponents. I can even look up the table and still see teams in touching distance.

Nothing is irrecoverable and we are not out of this fight yet. As long as we fight.

The club issues. Well they will go on and I think we are increasingly united on what we want to happen.

I just want 3 points on Saturday right now.

Brian Denton
206 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:17:37
Spot on, Danny.
Mark Ryan
207 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:23:21
Agreed Danny. Its not over, far from it. I just hope the players can shake of the nerves and give us a great result.
I hope for Frank's sake he gets this right
Neil Lawson
208 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:30:29
Going a little off topic ( possibly not ). It's laughable how we are being linked to every foreign striker we have never heard of, and a few old crocks and their granny that we have, yet there seems absolutely no prospect that anyone worth signing will sign. It is pathetic. It is appalling. Everyone, absolutely everyone, knew we desperately needed a striker on 1st Jan. Why wasn't a deal done for then ? Now we are chasing anyone who has ever scored a goal in any league in any country, but we have no money to spend and no one actually running the club properly. I wonder which overpriced panic buy will occur on 31 Jan or will Ellis Simms then be lauded as the man to provide the firepower ? It is all so sad and so avoidable. My 2 sons and I were planning a lads weekend for the Villa game. Number 2 son is so dispirited he does not want to waste his money on tickets, travel and accommodation. He prefers new worktops and taps for his kitchen. We have postponed the weekend until next year when they can come to ours near Exeter and we can go together to Home Park Plymouth and experience the joys of Union St and the Travelodge at Derrys Cross.

Dave Abrahams
209 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:33:05
Danny (205), With you all the way on your optimistic outlook on the Blues, never let go of that Danny.

At the same time I was with a life long friend last night, in Ned Kelly’s, who had been to a funeral yesterday and at the reception afterwards he said all the talk was about the Blues with seasoned Evertonians failing to hide their disappointment with the state the club is in now, these are long term fans who never fail to turn up at Goodison Park all in their sixties and seventies who have never seen the club and team in such dark times with no leadership on or off the field to form any type of fight or plan to lead us away from where we are heading.

My mate who I have known for nearly seventy years can usually talk on a variety of subjects and have a good laugh together but last night it was nearly all about the Blues and the dread of relegation, I have no doubt this will be the topic among Evertonians whenever they gather in the next few weeks.

I believe Kenwright and those on the board will not harbour the real worries we fans have about the club, George McKane please make sure you let the media know these feelings of thousands of good, genuine Everton fans.

Christopher Timmins
210 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:38:32
57 points to be played for, a long way to go before anyone can say that it's over. What is worrying is that there seems to be no end to the run we are on at the moment, we need to come out of it sooner rather than later.

On Saturday the home supporters will be feeling the pressure which will hopefully rub off on their team if we can keep things tight early doors. They are on a worse run than us and they cannot buy a goal either. They ran out of steam at the back end of 2021 and never truly recovered since.

Sheffield Wednesday and Derby were once Premier League clubs, Derby won the title twice in the 1970's, we don't every want to see what a relegation might do the club long term. Perhaps there would be a reset, perhaps not.

Brian Harrison
211 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:44:24
Danny 205

You are always the beacon of optimism, and as the song goes you always look on the bright side. Although I know you feel the pain but always manage to put a positive spin on things, and lets hope that somehow this group of players manage to pull off a win on Saturday. I read that the train company has still not confirmed any train times for travel to London and back for Saturday, an absolute disgrace.

I am guessing that with Frank saying 3/4 weeks ago that he was looking to add some more striking options to the squad, and still no signings it looks as if either our financial constraints are making it almost impossible to get the players he wants. Or Moshiri is unwilling to spend any money or maybe because of the cost of the stadium he is unable to produce funds to buy players. Maybe that could be the reason that Frank is still in charge as any incoming manager would want some money to spend.

Matt Henderson
212 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:48:03
Strong rumours today that in order to quell fan concern of quality of the Board Bill is looking to add Bernie Madoff as the new Finance Director
Ray Roche
214 Posted 17/01/2023 at 12:57:50
And if Moshiri saw the banners at GP last weekend he’ll not be of a mind to put his hands in his pockets for more dosh.
Ray Smith
215 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:04:50
Matt 212

He’s a convicted fraudster who died in 2021.

Seems an ideal candidate to join BK’s empire 😂😂😂

Martyn Thickitt
216 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:26:30
This is the beginning of the end for EFC. Bill Kenwright the man who took Everton down.
Nick Page
217 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:31:25
Barry @189. Some really good points there. Here's a thought - maybe the so-called smaller clubs in the league and all the other leagues in the football pyramid (there’s a controversial word in business) band together and start demanding that the pyramid be levelled out. There's no point everyone else chasing this dream as the club is closed and the door is locked But the lock can be picked and the door can be forced open. Maybe only the awful Newcastle may well be welcomed in at someone else’s expense due to the money they can give to the PL.

At Everton, our aim should have been to challenge the hand-picked elite - I still find it utterly laughable that Spuds are in there but they are - by challenging the authorities at any and every given point on the unequal distribution of wealth in the game. The whole thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy - if by account of geography and geography alone you can charge higher ticket prices, then you have an unfair advantage which isn't levelled out. Then you can spend more money under FFP. Then you can attract better players, pay bigger contracts, finish higher up the league, get more money, qualify for elite European competition, and get even more money. Then you can spend more money, offer better contracts and round and round we go. It’s a total scam (pyramid scheme, lol) in everything but name but absolutely nobody will speak out against it - as we see in real life, every day, people are afraid to speak out because they are smeared and vilified, threatened with their jobs and ultimately their livelihoods. And some just tow the line, oblivious, and think everything is ok. Well its not OK and it hasn't been ok since 1992. These six clubs tried to bury everyone last year with the Super League and then what happened - they got a pissy little fine. Wow...and where did that go? Grass-roots football? Like fuck it did. 182 countries watch the PL because it provides a better illusion than La Liga and the Bundesliga of fair play, i.e. that not just 2/3 teams can win the league, and its much closer with some upsets along the way (a bit like the way the FA Cup is sold - everyone loves an underdog and an upset because its romantic). Thus the PL get at least 2x the TV money of the next most watched league. Everton and the likes should be demanding that prize money, TV money and sponsorship money is distributed much more evenly. The only differentiating factor should be your fan base, your own sponsorship deals and the revenue that the club makes through merchandise. If all the clubs piled in and demanded this TOGETHER, we level the playing field out, we pretty much get rid of the Sky6 oligopoly and in doing so, the league becomes eminently more watchable from a fans perspective. I don’t want us to be like the shite and Utd and other win at all cost corporate whores who’s fans are nothing but customers (to quote FSG) but I do want Everton to challenge and not be left behind. Kenwright & Co jumped on the wrong bandwagon years ago and it was obvious for everyone to see he was an owner/Chairman that never wanted to upset the apple cart and was happy wining and dining with his Sky6 chums. We, and others like us need to approach it differently and be the ones who demand better – our fans certainly do, so why shouldn’t the club. This is what needs to happen going forward and we need to be a part of it, without Chairman Kenwright and without the Uzbek over-lord. We need REAL fan representation on the board and we need a fan shareholders group to own stock so that we can be independent. This is what Everton should be.
(Apologies for the ramble)

Andy Duff
218 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:40:52
The worm is turning Ian Wright has apologised. Let's hope b he does it on MOTD for the whole country to see

@IanWright0: For the Everton fans 💙🙏🏾

Kieran Kinsella
219 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:51:06
Wrighty said he saw Bill making the allegations in WhatsApp thread just in case anyone doubted the source
Mark Ryan
220 Posted 17/01/2023 at 13:54:51
Full respect to Ian Wright for a full and frank apology. He says " it's clear the board at Everton have tried to deflect blame onto their fans for their incompetence and says that their relationship with the fans has to be over. Never a truer word. Respect to Ian Wright
Kevin Molloy
221 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:15:46
Wow. They are going to have to resign. But, the one situation I was always desperate to avoid was that numbskull taking full control. Bill has his many faults, but is at least on Planet Earth. I think Moshiri is going to totally crash it now.
Nick Page
222 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:16:52
I wonder who he was talking to on WhatsApp and what was said???
Bob Carlton
223 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:26:58
Every fan on this thread MUST watch the link in Andy Duff's post at #218.

Ian Wright, an absolute star.

Stephen Davies
224 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:45:13
Ian Wright apologies to Everton fans¤tTweetUser=IanWright0

Jerome Shields
225 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:47:36
Michael #201.

The Football League have their own Profit and Sustainability Rules and rigourously enforce them.

The destruction of the Club started in the Johnson era. Continued by Kenwright, who was on the board with Johnson. It has been death by a thousand cuts since. Moshiri & Usmanov have been willing participants for this, because it suited them.

David Vaughan
226 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:49:17
Agreed, Bob #223. Respect to the man, and then some. UTT.
Tony Abrahams
227 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:50:42
It takes a man to admit he was wrong. Ian Wright always played with the type of fire that the fans want to see, I believe he has always had a good relationship with Evertonians, because they have always respected this type of footballer.

It was also good to hear Ian Wright elaborate, even if it's also sickening to think about the damage “the deceitful one” has done over many, many years.

Bill Gall
228 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:53:02
I have been saying for months the problem is Farhad Moshiri, it has now got in to such a turmoil that no-one wants to invest in us and players on the transfer list will prefer to choose other clubs who have inquired about them.

Yes, the board are incompetent but who put them there? And it shows Moshiri in his true light by protecting them and switching the blame elsewhere.

The one thing that it shows me is that Usmanov is not involved in Everton, as some lazy journalist might want you to believe, there is no way that man would have put up with such incompetence.

Ian Edwards
229 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:58:26
Can I just remind fans who are still banging on about the Board statement that we are joint bottom with a Manager that hasn't won since October.


Darren Hind
230 Posted 17/01/2023 at 14:59:50
Ian's Right Right Right.

Not Ian Edwards of course.

He forgot about the priorities he is banging on about now when it suited him.

Colin Malone
231 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:05:32
If true. Its bad
Danny O’Neill
232 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:17:52
You have to respect Ian Wright for making that statement. He played with fire in his belly and has realised that he needed to make a statement and admit he was wrong. Respect.

Dave Abrahams, I'm an emotional Evertonian. They have me hook, line and sinker. Always have, always will have.

There are two Dannys at the moment.

One that just wants this team to stay in the top flight of English football that they have proudly done for more seasons than any other club.

And then my alter ego that is dismayed at how we have been and continue to be run as a club and wants institutional change.

Come Saturday, I'm first Danny. In-between, I'll be revolutionary Danny.

Jerome Shields
233 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:21:46

Thanks for the Wright interview. We now more than likely know that Kenwright was the Everton source of this allegation. It is not a fit and proper way for a Chairman to conduct himself, that he did not make sure the assault was reported to the Police. It leaves him open to allegations and a claim by the party involved that Everton did not fulfil its duty of care to an employee.

But if it is not true, he has nothing to fear… or does he? The Press and commentators don't like being misled and will go overboard demanding evidence. Wheeling out Denise is not an option; she too is open to allegations of not telling the truth because the incident is not recorded and she didn't report it or demand action.

Also, it could be thought that she allowed her name as Chief Executive Officer to be used by the Chairman to counter a peaceful fan protest, with no evidence of truth.

Brent Stephens
234 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:28:51
I would imagine Moshiri, Kenwright, Barrett-Baxendale are all blaming each other for this utter communications fiasco. Or will Richard Kenyon be the fall-guy, as Director of Communications etc?
Eddie Dunn
235 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:33:59
Good that Wright has blown the lid off this and apologised.

It is disgusting that Kenwright has tried to blacken our reputation in this manner. He should resign immediately.

Paul Hewitt
236 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:42:09
Hope the rest of the scummy media apologize.
Kim Vivian
237 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:44:51
Jeez - This smells worse by the hour. If what is coming out proves to be the truth one can only ask just what the fuck were they (he) thinking of.

I may be naive but I don't think Graeme Sharpe will have been complicit in this. I would expect to see him resign by the end of the week if not in the next 24 hours. Ingles I don't really know enough about so can't say either way but Kenwright + DBB will just need to go down with the ship as it were.

However that leaves Moshiri without a board..... so, what happens then all you business experts?

Back to football and although there are 57 points or something to play for unless the team can genuinely and consistently improve it's hard to see where we're going to collect many of them. Morale must be at an all time low in the dressing room, the fans are going to struggle to lift the squad as last year and it all looks a bit bleak to me tbh.

Brian Denton
238 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:46:53
About time Ian Wright did us a favour: I'm pretty sure he scored more Premier League goals against us than against any other team!

I think we were also Les Ferdinand and Gaby Agbonlahor's bitches too!!!

Stan Grace
239 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:48:57
Ian Wright has previously been supportive of all things Everton and his apology is welcome. However, rather than apologise for not having included the word 'allegedly' in his statement on MotD, he should have apologised for speaking at all about an alleged assault with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
Brian Denton
240 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:51:29
Darren (230), quite correct mate.
Jack Convery
241 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:52:00
I urge Graeme Sharp to resign and issue a statement, apologising for going along with this farce. Otherwise, his reputation garnered whilst a superb player for EFC will be forever tarnished. That would be a great pity.

Thank You, Ian Wright. You are forever in our debt. Please say the same on the BBC as soon as possible, so those who are pointing the finger at the fans, will know what is really going on at Goodison Park.

I also urge the fans to not indulge in face-to-face confrontation with players as that just gives succour to the mob. As for NSNOW, please keep it going.


Andy Duff
242 Posted 17/01/2023 at 15:52:13
Whilst Ian Wright apologising was great, it needs to be done on MotD. Him tweeting that out only really reaches his followers but the whole country was told about the "nasty fans".

I would love to know the source of those WhatsApp messages; this clearly shows though how stories get into the press and the levels the club will go to.

I never listen to TalkSport, but hopefully Blues will get onto them and get our side out. We need to take back control of the narrative. I heard Ped on Radio City news today so hopefully we can get the message out there.

Rob Halligan
243 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:04:50
Still nothing on the BBC Sport website about the Ian Wright apology. Mind you, it wouldn't look good for the BBC to have one of their employees backtracking and apologising to us, now, would it!
Peter Neilson
244 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:08:32
Great that Ian Wright has apologised, fair play to him. Hopefully he'll have a chat with Lineker who simply regurgitated the club statement as though factual.

What a pathetic and very public demonstration of how useless the board is. They can't even write a “dog ate my homework” type statement without getting it all wrong. Now painted into a corner by their own lies and ineptitude.

How can there be any confidence in them deciding on the manager when they have no integrity or credibility?

Bill Fairfield
245 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:15:44
Surely a resignation statement from Mr Kenwright is due.
Has the man got any decency?
Andy Crooks
246 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:17:49
Thanks, Tony A, for the WhatsApp. Ian Wright not only apologizes but says that the board tried to throw the fans under the bus and there's no coming back from that. The truth is coming out.

Good to be reminded @ 229 that we are joint bottom. I don't know about the rest of you but it certainly had skipped my mind.

Nick Page
247 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:20:47
Has Kenwright got any decency - is this a serious question? After all he's done this weekend!! Perhaps we should ask him….

One other thing to say is, I'm glad the support has finally woken up to the man. Myself and many others have been banging on about his nefarious activities for many years (tiresome, I know), been called all sorts, got banned from multiple platforms, and yet it's still nice to see people coming together now that his true colours have been shown.

Everton (all together) aren't we.

Ian Horan
248 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:29:23
Fantastic of Ian Wright to apologise. We need to be very clear, do you not think Moshiri has been taken in by Kenwright's misleading, lying and deceitful statements?

Moshiri now has the opportunity to blow Kenwright out of the water saying his role has become untenable due to his sickening statement on the threat. Sacrificing the good name of Everton FC and the supporters for his own gain.

I hope Wrighty sends the link to Moshiri of Kenwright's WhatsApp message!!

Will Mabon
249 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:34:38
How about a personal statement from Denise Barrett-Baxendale to confirm the headlock to stop all the atrocious accusations of lying by the board, hence limiting damage to EFC before things get further out of hand.

I would've expected that at the outset. Why hide the truth?

Andy Duff
250 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:49:50
Will 249 you can't confirm something that didn't happen. Maybe just maybe it might have have been a little white lie after all?

Maybe they are busy putting the film together now and are just waiting for the weather to be the same as it was 2 weeks ago for filming?

When fellow blues still believe the media spin what hope have we got to convince others.

Out of interest Do you also still believe Goodison will fail the safety certificate, the Kings Dock money will be in the bank in the morning? What about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?

Will Mabon
251 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:54:17
Andy, a white lie? They wouldn't. This is a huge football club and business. They wouldn't play fast and loose that way :-)
Bill Fairfield
252 Posted 17/01/2023 at 16:57:19
Nick 247
You’re right Nick, the man hasn’t got any.
Nick Page
253 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:04:34
Will, the headlock got downgraded to “jostled” yesterday. And no complaint or report was made (and won’t be nor will they comment on it). You probably knew that though. Kenwrights PR is about as good as his running of a football club. Complete and utter clusterfuck.
Nick Page
254 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:05:48
Andy 250 - where’s the Arteta money?
Andy Duff
255 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:07:09
Let's play a game on Bill's Bull Bingo

What will be the next statement leaked to press or released by club:

– Stress caused by fans makes Kenwright too ill to attend matches

– DBB too scared to attend matches after "historical events"

– Stadium funding in doubt due to fans attacks on board and owners

– Everton loss against WHU blamed on fans as players were fearful of fans reaction when they touched the ball

– Everton lose out on xyz transfer target because of fans chasing players

Will Mabon
256 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:08:03
Nick, I think my sarcasm game is slipping.
Steve Brown
257 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:11:06
Wrighty has outed Kenwright as the source of the original allegation. He says that someone high up in the Everton hierarchy shared an excerpt of the text exchange between him/herself and Kenwright with him.

I am sure that was circulated to all media outlets at the same time.

Tony Everan
258 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:12:14

Rumours Bill’s put the Arteta money to one side so he can build a 50m high Colossus of Rhodes size statue of himself straddling the entrance to the Bramley -Moore Dock.

Bobby Mallon
259 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:14:43
None of this shameful board will resign. They are all shit bags.
Colin Malone
260 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:16:34
Let's not lose focus. Frank is clueless.
Will Mabon
261 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:18:42
Colin, but he's not on the board.
Andrew Ellams
262 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:28:49
Ian @229, it's not about priorities they're just two differenet symptoms of the same problem.
Les Callan
263 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:36:47
Meanwhile…….. Rome continues to burn !
Derek Knox
264 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:40:37
Surely now all the truth is coming out that the Chairman, and CEO of a Premiership Football Club, have been caught out spreading malicious falsehoods, and diverting the blame towards the fans, their positions are indeed untenable.
Michael Lynch
265 Posted 17/01/2023 at 17:52:55
This is a genuine question - did anyone at the club, officially, say that members of the board had been assaulted, spat at, or put in a headlock?

As far as I can see, the only statement from the club was just about vague threats and intimidation - which is believable - as against the media rumours which were about assault, spitting and headlock which, in my opinion, sound far-fetched

Ray Smith
266 Posted 17/01/2023 at 18:29:39
Michael @265,

As you say, may sound far fetched.

However, you cannot expect the police (if they have received a complaint of assault against DBB) to discuss the case in the public arena, as this would prevent the miscreant from receiving a fair trial.

Before you castigate me, that's how it is, if the offender is to get his comeuppance.

We cannot jeopardise an investigation by speculation, which in turn gives credence to allowing the offender to walk away scot-free! Think about it!

Any comments on social media may also become disclosable, which in turn may skew the prospect of a conviction.

267 Posted 17/01/2023 at 18:49:30
Is that grey-haired man Derek Temple in the picture?
Michael Lynch
268 Posted 17/01/2023 at 18:53:17
Ray, I;m not suggesting the police should discuss any case in public, I'm just asking if the club at any point have said that anyone was assaulted or put in a headlock?

I may be missing something, but as far as I can remember, all the club said was that there was a realistic threat to the members of the board, and they'd been advised to stay away.

When did the club make a statement about headlocks and spitting? Did I miss that? I only saw it as rumour in the press and on Twitter.

Darren Hind
269 Posted 17/01/2023 at 18:54:52
Dya know what? I've been racking my brains as to who that guy was. He looks so familiar.

I haven't seen Derek Temple for years, but that seems like a decent shout.

Can anybody put a name to the guy sitting directly above the T?

Danny O’Neill
270 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:02:32
I'll ask Darren. I have accessional contact with his son. We served together.
Anthony Jones
271 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:10:36
The lack of any crimes being reported doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

As much as you might hate members of the Board, try to imagine being on the receiving end of the fuming hate mob that was clearly on the bounce after the Brighton match. Would you report a fan for threats if you knew you would be abused even more as a grass?

Abuse and intimidation is apparent at Goodison at the best of times. Right now, it is the time to condemn the vile cretins that are just itching to take their frustrations out on members of the club, and who drag the name of Everton FC through the mud.

Colin Glassar
272 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:10:52
WARNING: This is fake, false, made up etc….

Tomorrow’s headlines.

Bill Kenwright, Everton chairman, theatre impresario, boys pen veteran, avid fan, leader of men, admired by all in the worlds football boardrooms, raconteur, god amongst gods, a giant in the pubs of London Town, man of few words, friend to the high and mighty, has passed away after a sudden illness.

Bill gave his life and house to Everton football club. Abused and threatened, never did it pass through bill’s mind to abandon his beloved club and he was even prepared to follow it into administration.


Three days have passed since his reported demise and Bill Kenwright has been resurrected in what can only be described as a miracle.

Bill told this reporter, “As I stepped through the pearly gates St. Peter himself told me, Bill you can’t come in mate. You have to go back and rescue your beloved Everton. All the saints and angels are asking what the Everton board will do without you. So I’ve come back to fulfil my destiny. Everton needs me and I need Everton”

Bill will soon be back at Goodison protected by several members of the Wagner group paid for by his new co-owner and bestie, Alisher Usmanov.

Peter Carpenter
273 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:20:38
We need to assume these 'incidents' did happen and keep pressing the board to make a complaint to the police. They then have to pass on full details and the perpetrators face the law or they are fully exposed as liars.

It's not good enough for them to just let it drop and move on. They opened this up, it can't be closed to suit them.

Kieran Kinsella
274 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:33:39
It was Derek Temple, they mentioned it in The Echo
Peter Neilson
275 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:39:48
Michael (268),

The Echo attributed the headlock information to a “club source”. Ian Wright referred to it on MotD after seeing either text or WhatsApp messages between a senior BBC exec and Bill Kenwright.

No public statement as the dirty work is being done in a very furtive and underhand way with briefings to friends in the media.

Anthony (271),

The club has a duty of care to employees and anyone else in the ground. That includes reporting assaults to the police and not simply using whispers to the media.

A supporter was banned after the first home game against Chelsea after sexually harassing a woman at the game. This incident involved the police and action was taken immediately. I can't believe that any lesser action would be taken for a physical assault on our CEO.

Brendan McLaughlin
276 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:42:30
Michael #268

The statement on the official Everton website talks about:-

"anti-social actvity - including targeted physical aggression - at recent home matches"

Surely "physical aggression" suggests more than, as you describe it, "vague threats and intimidation"?

Alan McGuffog
277 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:49:44
Derek Temple eh available for WHU I wonder
Will Mabon
278 Posted 17/01/2023 at 19:52:14
Brendan, I think Michael's right to ask re. the headlock specifically, particularly since it has been "downgraded" to jostle, it seems.

I haven't seen a direct quote or link for the statement. I looked no further because I saw someone state where it was cited/posted. I think that was on a thread here on TW somewhere but can't remember.

EDIT - now I read Peter's post, The Echo sounds familiar.

Jerome Shields
279 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:01:54
Brendan #276

I agree.


An assault is the act of committing physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person or, in some specific legal definitions, a threat or attempt.

Tony Abrahams
280 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:05:28
Even Brendan and Jerome seem to be getting on lately, which is the only positive I can take from the last few days!
Jerome Shields
281 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:11:39

Don't speak too soon.

Terry Downes
282 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:21:54
If this carries on the way it’s goin it’ll be odds on that Bill will be taken to hospital with a mystery illness just to avoid the questions that must be on there way ?
Tony Abrahams
283 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:23:53
I think he’s mellowed towards you, since he realized you was also living in Ireland! It’s good to see, life’s to short, and there’s already way too much animosity on the pages of ToffeeWeb, so keep trying your hardest Jerome, mate!!
Brendan McLaughlin
284 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:24:44
Will #278

Not quite sure what you mean when you say Michael is right to ask about the headlock specifically. Perhaps I'm wrong but I read Michael's post to suggest that as the club hadn't officially talked about headlocks, spitting...the club were not officially accusing the fans of any physical wrong doing. However, they were officially accusing them of doing exactly just that even if the club didn't provide specific detail.

Certainly the club have not said anything officially about a headlock. This has been attributed to a "club source" and I think, by Wrighty, as a source close to Blue Bill.

I'm also not sure the headlock claim has been downgraded to jostle. I think a few ToffeeWebbers jumped on a report by one journalist who used the term but I've not seen anything to suggest that the headlock claim is being rowed back upon.

Dave Abrahams
285 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:29:49
Terry (282),Simon Jordan, although admitting Kenwright and the Board were wrong to issue the statement about not turning up for the game on Saturday said “ Bill is not a well man” coming to his defence in a way.
Brendan McLaughlin
286 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:46:21
Ha ha Tony/Jerome

Not that I'm shallow but the fact that Jerome (if he's visiting his better half's part of the country) might be in a position to buy me a pint of guinness...changes things somewhat!

Michael Lynch
287 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:47:16
Brendan, yes you're right, the statement talked about "targeted physical aggression".

A definition of this that I found was "behavior causing or threatening physical harm towards others. It includes hitting, kicking, biting, using weapons".

So it could just be threats of physical violence against board members, although it could also be actually causing physical harm.

I hear what others are saying about leaks from the club to the newspapers, specifically the Echo, but that could be anything from the tea lady making it up, to the head of communications saying don't quote me.

What I'm saying here is that it's all deniable by the club.

Maybe headlocks and spitting, maybe threatening to give someone a slap, depends on how you interpret it?

Michael Kenrick
288 Posted 17/01/2023 at 20:58:23
Er... there's only one way to interpret a headlock.

Actually no, scrub that: a headlock is a headlock is a headlock.

End of.

Brendan McLaughlin
289 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:08:02
Actually Michael #288

Giant Haystacks and Mick McManus used two very different techniques...

Jerome Shields
290 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:12:15

A Everton Source was given as having intiated the statement.

I suggest you listen to the Link on Alan's post 218 on this thread.It is a interview with Ian Wright where he details his source of the same information as a member of a What's App group.Having made a statement going on information from this group, he has now apologied to Evertonians doubting the sources motives and is now asking for evidence.

Eric Haworth
291 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:12:40
While we’re on this thread of the accusations made by EFC in their statement, as referenced by both Brendan #276 & Jerome #279. It follows that any accusation has to include an “accused”, and in this instance the actual “accused” has to be us? The fans who attended those “recent home matches”?

I’m just putting it out there, but surely if it’s us, the fans, then we have a right under English Law to insist that the Police thoroughly investigate these allegations to determine our innocence of the alleged criminal offence & clear our names? Because I didn’t assault DBB & I resent being included by association in EFC’s sweeping accusation directed at attendees of “recent home matches”?

Im no lawyer, but perhaps one of our TW contributors is & can advise whether we, as the “accused” have facility to turn up the heat on the Police to ensure they keep up the pressure on EFC with their investigation & hence the teary one? Just a thought???

Alec Gaston
292 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:32:21
On the transfer (or lack of it) Danjuma has just tweeted “Birds of a feather flock together” with fingers crossed - so I guess that’s at team with the nickname of a bird - eagles, seagulls- but definitely not the toffees- another one bites the dust then!!
Tony Abrahams
293 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:33:33
I have often thought you was inebriated when you post Brendan - good man yourself!

Maybe he wants to become a Villain, Alec?

Nick Page
294 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:36:03
“Bills not a well man”.

Not well in the head, the old tart.

Robert Tressell
295 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:36:20
Alec, don't give up hope. Danjuma is widely reported to have a massive crush on Pauline Quirke.
Alec Gaston
296 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:40:57
Robert - that made me laugh out loud - I needed cheering up 😂😂
Andy Meighan
297 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:41:32
Danny. No chance that Sharp would resign. He's a yes-man, an absolute shithouse. A Kenwright acolyte who got a token place on the board because he was this so-called icon.

Yes, he was a good player but not a great in my eyes. Funny before he became a silent board member (I think that's his title) he was always good for a quote. Now his silence is deafening. You won't hear a squeak out of him while headlockgate is in full flow.

You'd think being an ex-player in such a great time for the club that he'd have a word in Kenwright's shell-like but no… nothing.

The whole episode absolutely reeks and this isn't going to go away anytime soon while the team are shit. Sad sad times.

On another note I was talking to a Villa fan and a West Ham today in work, I said we're as good as down. He said "Everton, are you joking?"

The Hammer said the same more or less. They seemed convinced the likes of Forest, Leeds, Bournemouth, Wolves Soouthampton are well worst. Funny old game isn't it?

Bobby Mallon
298 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:48:09
Robert 295 😂😂😂😂
Jerome Shields
299 Posted 17/01/2023 at 21:56:47

The problem the alleged instance is over a week ago and it was not reported. It only came to light via a Everton Source, which appears according to Ian Wright someone that knows Kenwright very well.There is no evidence of the alleged instance.I am sure now there will be widespread denial.
The Police have stated that they have no report of any instance.
Everton are not going to accept any interviews and certainly won't be answering any question.

One can only conclude that no parties where actually involved in any such alleged instance. I doubt the Police would get involved.

Barry Robson
300 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:10:20
Danjuma linked with Spurs hence the bird connection.
Rob Halligan
301 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:11:30
Alec # 292…….clubs allegedly after him are us, Forest and Bournemouth, so not a bird in sight! Unless it’s a woodpecker banging it’s nut on trees in a forest?
Brendan McLaughlin
302 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:31:55
Eric #291

The clubs implied slander of Everton supporters as you feel it would be a matter of civil law. The police wouldn't get involved.

Paul O'Neill
303 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:46:20
So here’s a controversial point. I don’t think the board have done a bad job OFF the pitch in the past 15 years. They’ve delivered a new training ground (which has since been improved further) a new megastore in a prime location (Everton 2, Liverpool 1) and record turnover. ON the pitch the club has definitely gone backwards and we might see Everton playing in the second tier for the first time in nearly 70 years. And that’s the situation.
Jim Wilson
304 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:58:35
The lack of leadership is absurd.

We needed a new manager with experience weeks ago.
This is step one in giving us a chance.

A manager who can make the couple of signings we need for this season, even if we have to pay large amounts of money and suffer a points penalty. It doesn't matter now. We need to save our skins this season.

A manager who can play a simple and sensible formation with a strong midfield, who can motivate the players and get them to trust what they are being asked to do.

A manager who will give the players the one thing they must have before they go on the pitch. A bit of confidence and fire in their belly. The supporters will be right behind the team in every way.

No more bull shit.

The board is in meltdown. It has run away and hidden. It is a laughing stock.

If Moshiri is going to protect his assets he must start acting like an adult and a businessman and act now.
Get advice from people who have been there and done it. Joe Royle would be a start

Moshiri, stay away if you want to, but bring in an experienced sensible manager, do the right thing and the players will start performing, and the supporters might start to forgive you.

I say supporters, not fans, because this club only has supporters. The glory hunting fans left years ago and we are here doing nothing but giving the team support.

Evertonians are the best in the world so act now and start to show us the respect we deserve, by making some tough and urgent decisions.

Barry Hesketh
305 Posted 17/01/2023 at 22:58:40
Joe Thomas in an article published in the Echo, earlier this evening, indicates that the initial information came from senior club sources.

It seems that the club want to draw a line under this whole affair.

Everton Football Club have declined to comment further on an allegation chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale was placed in a headlock during a matchday at Goodison Park.

Club sources detailed the incident in response to queries flowing from the statement it released hours before the match with Southampton. The announcement, which publicised the existence of a “real and credible threat” to the safety and security of the board of directors, said that members had been the subject of “targeted physical aggression”.

Such was the severity of the reported incident, and the fact the club had already gone on the record with claims of "physical aggression", the ECHO and other media outlets published articles upon receipt of the same information from senior club sources - and then continued to seek further details from the club throughout the day and over the course of the weekend. This included when it took place at and whether it was the subject of a police or internal investigation. However, it has since been confirmed that no formal complaint was made to Merseyside Police and the matter is understood to have been dealt with internally and considered as resolved

“The club would like to thank the vast majority of supporters who behaved impeccably before, during and after the game with Southampton - as they have done throughout the season.”


Will Mabon
306 Posted 17/01/2023 at 23:40:13
Brendan @ 284,

I probably didn't word my post as well as I might have.

I was trying to say, there had been nothing to attribute a statement to anyone at the club specifically citing a headlock relating to the supposed "targeted physical aggression". This came from... well no-one knows for certain. Ditto the "jostle" thing.

Now in the latest statement Barry posts @ 305 it appears the club are still unwilling to clear the matter, with that "declined to comment further" and "considered as resolved". The obfuscation is doing a good job of answering the questions the board won't.

Derek Thomas
307 Posted 17/01/2023 at 23:57:46
They went with the nuclear option. The initial EMP of bad publicity did us, The Fans, no favours. But now the wind direction has changed and the fall out is blowing right back at them.
So of course they want to 'draw a line under it'
Colin Gee
308 Posted 18/01/2023 at 00:24:50
The Club can't draw 'a line under' it, they have accused us fans of all sorts without any evidence,
To Quote a Union Rep of mine from years ago when describing his dealings with Managment

"They couldn't lie straight in bed that lot."

There is no way back for the board now, Will they be at West Ham on Saturday? Doubt it...
Next home game is Arsenal, already Merseyside Police have catagorized it as a High Risk game... So they won't be at that one either just incase the Phantom Headlocker of Old Goodison Park is about
Then after that it's the Derby at our old ground, there's three games that the board won't be at! After the Derby we have two home games against Leeds and Villa, I suspect that the Board won't be at those either!

Ernie Baywood
309 Posted 18/01/2023 at 00:36:01
They won't be back, Colin. Their position is completely untenable now.

If the intention of the protests was to get rid of the board then, basically, the board went and did most of the work for us. They won't be there in a few months.

Long term I'm sure this is the right step. Short term - I worry. The club is destabilised and fractured more than ever. This lot couldn't make good decisions when things were relatively smooth... I don't think decision making will improve now.

As a club we desperately need something or someone to get behind. This is really saddening, maddening and outright tragic.

Ernie Baywood
310 Posted 18/01/2023 at 00:38:15
305 Barry, I'm sure you're right. They'd love to draw a line under it.

But it doesn't work that way. If we square up I can't punch you and then say 'tell you what, let's not do this or one of us might get hurt'.

It's going to take a lot more than just saying that they're not going to talk about it anymore.

Derek Knox
311 Posted 18/01/2023 at 01:10:49
We have been in the top flight (1st Div then Premiership)for 70 years now, I should imagine longer than any of us remember, I was alive then but that's as far as it goes. Now, if the Board do step down, and it won't be overnight, much as we probably would like it to be. Someone has to be there even on an Interim Basis.

Which all comes back, to our rarely to be seen owner, who will have to come out of hiding and make executive decisions. As time is running perilously close (again) in the Transfer Market and we have an inexperienced and stranded (almost beached) Manager, our immediate and short term future is precarious to say the least.

Maybe the complete clear out and the almost inevitable relegation, could just be the re-birth of Our once Great Club. A Phoenix rising from the Ashes.

Hopefully it won't come to the relegation scenario.

Pete Clarke
312 Posted 18/01/2023 at 01:17:55
I’m just waiting for Bills announcement that due to future safety concerns all board meetings will take place in London or Monaco and they will watch the games on Telly.
As much as I think the ball is rolling with this I can’t see him going easy.
Maybe some of our supporters can March past his residence in London before the West Ham game just to leave a friendly reminder of our thoughts.
Don Alexander
313 Posted 18/01/2023 at 01:59:06
The Moshiri-minted Kenwright is devoid of any qualities required for his role, and has been for decades. He himself used to say so before the charlatan Moshiri fixed his deluded gaze upon him!

The current board, selected by Kenwright, is of the same ilk.

Moshiri is a mirage as an (alleged) owner.

We're now disabled for years from mega-signings because of the ineptitude of Moshiri/Kenwright in authorising the signings of shite in abundance, courtesy of the managers/DoFs they appointed and then massively paid off, further compromising the acquisition of genuinely good players.

Does the creation of a 52,000 seater stadium to accommodate derbies with the likes of Preston North End, Blackburn Rovers, Burnley and, maybe in a year or two, Accrington Stanley sound like a good idea?

Answers on a postcard please.

And, as an aside, given that BMD is touted by the council as THE catalyst for the regeneration of a massively decades-long decrepit huge amount of our city what do they hope to attract by visits by the extremely small numbers of fans those extremely small clubs may provide?

Christine Foster
314 Posted 18/01/2023 at 02:47:48
The club would like to thank the vast majority of supporters who behaved impeccably before, during and after the game with Southampton - as they have done throughout the season.”

The term "two faced" springs to mind, together with the question, do you like sex and travel...

Eric Myles
315 Posted 18/01/2023 at 06:07:53
"no formal complaint was made to Merseyside Police and the matter is understood to have been dealt with internally and considered as resolved"

How can the Club internall deal with an assault by a fan, as they are implying in their statements of 'real and present danger'?

The only way they could resolve it internally is if a Club employee had attacked DBB.

And if it was considered resolved long before the Southampton game then why bring it up one hour before kick-off unless to discredit the fans?

Eric Myles
316 Posted 18/01/2023 at 06:20:35
Paul #303, since when did the board deliver a new training ground?

Under Kenwright the board sold Finch Farm off to a private company and rented it back from them, in the process paying far more than what it would have cost to develop it themselves. That private company then sold it on to LCC to who we continue to pay rent. Unless I missed something and Moshiri (not the board) bought it back?

The board brought us record turnover?? Explain how.

Our record turnover is a result of record TV rights deals at home and abroad, nothing with which anyone on our board were involved in the negotiations.

Eric Myles
317 Posted 18/01/2023 at 06:35:41
Michael #288, Brendan's right, there's maybe half a dozen ways to execute a headlock (usually called a stranglehold) in BJJ but I doubt the layman would be able to spot the difference.
Lynn Maher
318 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:29:23
Colin @ 308. Love you phantom comment!
I can just see it now “Theatre impresario and greatest Evertonian ever, brings to a venue near you, The Phantom Headlocker of Goodison Park.”

Principal cast
The Phantom - played by Moshiri
Christine - played by that most charitable of ladies, DBB.
Book early, sure to be a sell out.

Colin Glassar
319 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:45:24
To defuse the situation Everton will today post an update about BMD and Bill will announce he has new leads regarding the whereabouts of the Arteta money.

Watch this space. The good times are just around the corner.

David McMullen
320 Posted 20/01/2023 at 00:17:06
So where are we with this are they still sweeping it under the carpet after making a big song and dance about it?

I hope we don't let it blow over. It would be fantastic if we start picking up results no matter who is in charge in the dugout but never let this be airbrushed.

Kieran Kinsella
321 Posted 20/01/2023 at 00:59:46

Bane just did a press conference saying a letter from Commissioner Gordon said that a fan didn’t headlock DBB but in fact Bill Kenwright did.

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