David Moyes loses his cool over Michael Keane red card

I don't understand how numerous Everton managers cannot see what is about to happen and at least make changes. McNeil was losing the ball every time he got it and his legs had gone. Barry was ineffective. We needed fresh legs and Moyes changed nothing.

Dyche used to be the same. Didn't Dyche once show stats to say that making changes usually caused more disruption than benefit? When Wolves scored, it was just a case of "Everton, that".

The ridiculous performance by the referee gives Moyes a Get Out Of Jail card because that is now the talking point but he didn't react quick enough to try and get the second goal.

I'm glad that we are safe, barring a miraculous improvement by the three teams at the bottom of the Premier League, but we are desperately short of quality with Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye and Branthwaite missing.

I guess that is progress but the frustrating thing is that a bit more ambition could see us have a good season. Why are we not actively seeking to strengthen now that it is January? I said it yesterday but we will be scrabbling around for half-hearted enquiries on the last day, again.

He plays McNeil, who clearly doesn't want to be here, and who performs atrociously every game. Personally, I never want to see this clown play for the club again. Ship him off to Dyche over at Forest. Any fee we get for him is a bonus!

The manager's treatment of Tyler Dibling is a disgrace. He should have started the game last night. He'd have given us some width and would have got the ball into the area. McNeil must seriously have something on Moyes because why would he play him otherwise?

For the second game in a row, the manager has continued with the Jake O'Brien right back experiment which doesn't work and is killing us.

Patterson or Rohl can play right-back so why not play one of them there and play Jake at centre-back? The defence looks solid with Jake in there.

The manager's performance over the last two games needs to be seriously questioned. It really isn't good enough. And please don't say 'we're down to the bare bones' because the players we have are good enough and more than capable of beating Brentford and Wolves at home.

Also, the home form is an absolute disgrace and needs fixing. This is a season where anyone can get into a European place. We need to go into the transfer market and bring in a striker and a right-back as a priority.

I'm sorry but Beto and Barry are two very poor footballers who are not good enough for the Premier League... and I don't care what anyone says.

For me, David Moyes is not the answer long term. I would say thank you and goodbye at the end of the season and look to recruit a young manager who understands the modern game.

Moyes and his backroom team, Baines aside, are draconian and past it. I'm sorry if this post upsets the Moyes lovers but we will never do anything with him in charge.

What an ignorant bastard, Moyes has said some embarrassing shit here. I don't recall seeing this happening in the women's game where longer hair is more of an issue.

Classic Moyes deflection, but this takes him to new lows.

The facts are we were already on the back foot when this happened. Grow up, you miserable-faced perennial loser.

There wasn't any evidence of that in his last two starts

When has Dibling got the ball into the box, when he has been on the field?

McNeil is always the scapegoat. I thought Grealish was rubbish all game, apart from winning a couple of free-kicks.
I thought he should have been pulled long before his sending off.

He would never make the Man City team with his performances.

I think that was Bill's point.

Part of the reason that we will be chronically understaffed at the weekend is because calling out the low professional standards of his players is too close to accepting some responsibility for it himself.

He bought badly, freezes players out, has poor in-game management, sets up his teams negatively, and has about as much class as Allardyce.

Embarrassing, start the process now to replace him at the end of this season.

I have no problem with the ref, he went by the book on Keane's hair pull, and was given no choice as it was obvious on replay. If it had been a Wolves player committing it then we would have been baying for a red card.

As for Grealish, just stupidity. Moyes got his yellow for being out of his technical area plus his gestures
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As for Everton, 1 point out of 6 at home is not satisfactory. I don't think TFG will be too happy, along with the fans.

Everton can really stress you out; my solution is to forget emotionally about January as it's hard to change due to our circumstances.

I will be looking at February as a season reset, hopefully players returning from injury, Afcon players returned, and possibly a couple of new signings? Then, we kick on from there.

This season he's gone back to his dour and dithering self.

Keane definitely pulled his opponent's hair, how can you accidentally pull someone's hair? All I can say is it is out of character to do something like that... although I have seen him do plenty of stupid defending in his time here.

Grealish: I don't think he has ever been in the clever section of company but to act like that twice in a few minutes definitely puts him in the dunces section -- especially with that big smile after getting the red card.

Unless he had achieved what he intended — that would make him a clever fuckin' divvie!

Grealish got the foul so what is the difference between applauding a good decision, which you see every game and applauding sarcastically?

The game has gone mad. Players will be getting sent off for spitting next after a poor decision.

Just a yellow. What a joke.

"Head and Shoulders... I didn't know you had dandruff!"

Now getting to the team selection: O'Brien and McNeil on the right side might as well sit in the stand as play there.
Moyes has Dibling and Patterson sitting there... even if they're rubbish, they're still better than the other two because that's their natural positions.

I said 2 weeks ago we would be in trouble by the Sunderland game after 3 quick games, so funny, Davey. Last night, the club had 1½ thousand tickets for resale. I believe if the Sunderland game on Saturday was a Premier League game, that would reach 5 thousand.

It's so sad that all the away teams are enjoying our Stadium more than us.

Oh and anyone seen Shamless Seamus? I don't see him patting the lads on the back now.

The VAR intervened with the Keane incident, which was a fucking ridiculous call. They used the fact that this was the ref's only second Premier League match and used his lack of experience to make him call what "they" shit heads wanted to state this was a red card event. What a load of absolute bollocks.

Secondly, why shouldn't Grealish be allowed some emotional clap with what was now a stupid fuckwit referee?Premier League corrupt from the core.

From this, you might guess I am absolutely pissed off with the corrupt Premier League.

Our managers are always an easy target, how many is that we have tried with barely any effect at all?

I keep banging the same drum: if we don't have op 6 quality players, I don't care who the manager is, we won't ever be a Top 6 and stay there.

Moyes never used to suffer fools gladly in his first spell, I know he's probably mellowed now... but not to the point of letting them off the hook on a weekly basis.

But the reality is that is not what cost us the game.

The first red card was 15 minutes after Wolves had levelled the scores and basically taken control after we do what we always do which is sleepwalk ourselves into a comatose state that we can't break free from until the final whistle goes.

If we don't play full pelt, then we struggle badly.

I was very annoyed to see Tarkowski rip O'Brien's head off after their goal -- and he did it to him after the first Brentford goal also -- and both were his fault! Not good!

I've now given up any hope that Barry will make it. He has no attributes other than some pace but his runs aren't intelligent. He has none of the attributes a striker needs and cannot read the game. He is a terrible buy. Beto needs to be the lead man until we sign a better striker.

McNeil had an awful game and stayed on the pitch until the 90th minute. Iroegbunam worked his socks off and brought the ball forward on many occasions, shame he didn't have Ndiaye and Dewsbury-Hall to bounce off as the only option was Grealish.

Moyes gets 3 out of 10 for this game and the Brentford game. Oh and I don't know what is violent play anymore but the ref had a good game and let it flow.

That might help us with some rest. I think our fans deserve that rest... not sure it will help the players!

He is one-dimensional in style, tactics, player selection.
That said, we haven't got the best squad. We have a small number of quality players most of whom are currently injured or at Afcon.

Beyond that, we have a tried and failed number who need replacing and a few purchased youngsters who need time, some of whom may never cut it. It's a thin, hotch-potch of a squad.

A new manager would need investment to improve this.
If the investment will not be forthcoming in the Summer then we add a couple, lose a couple and limp on as we are.

We're pproaching another crossroads, I think... For those who never saw Moyes as the long-term solution (includes me) this was always coming. Moyes came in to stabilise; I think he's done that, but he can't be -- and stabilisation can't be the limit of our ambitions.

Xmas has nothing to do with it. These people who put the season tickets up for resale have already paid, Raymond. Simple thing is they don't want to watch rubbish.

I've said quality cost money and Everton have never spent £50M or more on a player ever. Come March, you will see this stadium about 5 to 10 thousand short.

Not good, Raymond

Once again, the ref and VAR go against us.

Grealish looked like he wanted out of the game, or maybe he's also had his hair pulled and got nothing?

The issue with replacing Moyes is the team is comfortably placed higher in the league than we've been for a long time, with little risk of being pulled into the relegation zone. This will be seen as progress.

We can all look in hindsight from games played that we might have been able to win more than we have; however, where would we have placed the team at the start of the season?

Then there's the revolving door of managers which doesn't do anyone any favours.

Like him or loathe him, Moyes has helped stabilise the team... even if we're not where we want to be.

They played okay in the first half but, within minutes of the restart, we looked very sluggish and it got progressively worse as the game went on.

I do have some sympathy with Moyes he has to try and put out a side without a proper striker and with our record summer transfer not good enough. Whoever thought Barry would cope in the Premier League hasnt a clue, and Southampton must have done the deal of the century selling Dibling for £35-£40M.

McNeil gave another abject display; Tarkowski nearly gave another goal away with a poor pass out from the back... and their goal was solely down to him.

Strand Larsen came short but Tarkowski didn't go with him, so he had all the time to turn and play in Mane. If Tarkowski didn't want to get close to Strand Larsen, then he had to drop off and pick up Mane; he did neither..

He is fast becoming a liability in every game. Iroegbunam is just not a Premier League player -- he lets players run off him, that's why he is a full stretch in making tackles; when he does have possession, nothing comes from it.

Grealish was absolutely stupid getting sent off, and it wasn't one of his best games. Beto isn't the answer but, when he came on, he got more involved in the first 5 minutes than Barry had the whole game.

The positives were Harrison Armstrong making his debut; very promising, and I wouldn't be sending him back to Preston on loan. Plus another good display from James Garner.

Look, we're not in any danger of being in a relegation battle. When the boys come back from the Afcon and Dewsbury-Hall is fit and Branthwaite finally makes an appearance, we have the makings of a decent team.

But a top striker and a good right back have to be brought in the summer if we aren't going to strengthen in January.

I have to agree wholeheartedly on that.

A proper energetic right-back (and left-back for me) along with a genuine mobile presence as a striker would give this side a new dynamic.

I know Barry has notched a few goals lately which is very good for him but he's just not doing enough to be a pain in the arse for centre-backs during matches.

He's got no presence or devilment to him, Beto is a little bit more of a handful but lacks the overall technical accomplishment.

Of those 5, only Dewsbury-Hall is worth his place on performances. Barry is getting games because there are few options for that position but his performances are not Premier League standard.

The other three signings are miles away from Premier League standard. Whoever recruited those four will have to do much better this summer.

I like Jake O'Brien but he cannot play as a full-back and what we have in reserve is not good either. The only option is Garner but then that can affect midfield where he has been playing very well.

Having said that, now that Armstrong is back, he looks to have achieved the maturity needed to slot in there and has a lot of skill but, as we all agree, McNeil has become a back number... although I liked him at first.

Okay, we lost Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye which greatly affected our balance; add to this the inadequacy of the main strikers and we have become quite toothless.

Neither Barry nor Beto is up to snuff and never will be but surely Dibling and Rohl should be given more starts, maybe Saturday against Sunderland?

By the time Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye and Branthwaite return, it's for sure there will be little to play for and I would hope the top brass are already scanning the football world for a Moyes replacement.

Benitez, Lampard, Dyche, Moyes have all failed to get a tune out of him, and come the summer, he will be gone. That failure will be down to the recruitment team, the managers, and the player himself.

He was the one guilty of poor defending, and he was the one who threw himself into reckless tackles that caused injury to himself.

The issue the club faces now, was going into the season with an injury-prone Coleman, an unwanted Patterson, and a centre back in O'Brien.

If the plan was Garner at right-back, then we needed more capable bodies in the centre, particularly with Afcon.

Losing it with Moyes, his inability to pick a settled team, his inability in the transfer market, and his inability to coach a team in an attacking formation and mindset.

You could virtually feel the anxiety in the players last night, they were unsure and insecure in position and tactics.

This imo led to frustration; that is on Moyes and his hopeless management.

The players look and play as though they are aware of better configurations of this depleted squad. The attendees to the Brentford match said the same about the crowd reaction to the starting lineup being posted. We were all waiting for Moyes to show us some growth in his managerial style.

He had some goodwill after some surprise performances. Even after some shite, the recovery kept many of us on board. The bottom three were and still are all but set. He knew Afcon was coming and that Dewsbury-Hall, Garner or Grealish could become exhausted options. All this while McNeil and Dibling waited to be deployed.

Then, he tweaks the lineup to suit his defensive concerns and leaves them to sort it out with little support for their abilities. Both players are limited but Moyes had time, and enough in the squad, to place them in a better setup.

How Friedkin, a supposed stalwart of asset management, can justify the mishandling of the main transfer acquisition is beyond me. People questioning the price tag halfway through the season is not a good sign. It isn't all down to the players not making the most of their opportunities.

Never a red card in a million years, it was accidental! Keane is not, and never has been, that type of player.

Fuck VAR and fuck the Premier League, crock of shit.

Intervening with an inconclusive 'foul', which nobody in the stadium had seen, and which could be passed off as accidental, yet ignoring a potential season-ending studs to the calf. This is not what it was brought in for.

Clear and obvious, over-rule howlers, and ensure offsides are correct was what we were promised. Instead, we get referees well away from the action, wanting to get involved and looking for opportunities to interfere.

There was a handball turned down in a game last night which was very like the Tarkowski one at Leeds. Not given because the arm was by his side. In Tarkowski's case, it was behind his back. Hardly surprising that some people feel there is a conspiracy against certain teams.

As to player recruitment and usage. We would all like to go to the football supermarket and put a 20-goal-a-season striker and a couple of full-backs into the trolley. Sadly, this is the real world. The top players are playing, well paid and under contract.

To think that our recruitment team have not been out looking is simply not believable. When we signed Cuco Martina, the management were lambasted, yet that sort of utility player would be welcome now.

Finding one who is a) good enough, b) available, and c) willing to relocate to northern England is not a matter of snapping fingers and avoiding the rush.

None of us know what goes on day to day in training. The manager and his coaches see the attributes and attitude of all the players. I would never pick McNeil for instance. But I don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

I would, however, agree with many posters who criticise the substitutions or lack of. Iroegbunam had a good first hour, but it was clear from the stand that he was tiring. This is not always as easy to see from the touchline.

Not making the change (for me, it would have been Rohl) led to us being put under more and more pressure. The one change we always see, is the replacing of one under-performing centre forward with another. Perhaps changing the supply line would be better.

Whatever we believe, we are missing 4 crucial players, who when fit would make us a much more attractive and stronger side. Due to historic mis-spending and bad management, we have a small squad with little cover.

We knew this would not be sorted in one transfer window. When those players return and we look like a better side, we will be a more attractive destination for players, and maybe a manager, come the summer. Until then, keep the faith.

Imagine being managed by Moyes when you're 19, leave home and living in a new area.

Moyes is maddening. His tactics and treatment of players are pre-war.

I don't recall them mentioning the official attendance during the shitshow match last night but my friend Al says it 52,694... which would make it the highest of the season so far.

Stiil, that's not shown on the BBC site or any others I can find.

It may be that Moyes is asking the players to play in roles that they are not accustomed to. Also, as stated in other posts, he hasn't prepared the squad players to be ready for when the Afcon guys are away.

His use of substitutes is terrible. What is the point of a player coming on for the last 5 or 10 minutes when all and sundry can see that substitutes needed to be deployed much much earlier???

Rarely do we see tactical changes so, even when things aren't working, he will leave things as they are.

The first time he was here, I was waiting and waiting for him to go. No matter what anybody says, it was Kenwright and Moyes that ended any chance of us returning to the top table.

As for Grealish, he has been giving all the refs cheek for weeks. He was a twit.

McNeil is dreadful. How Moyes is picking him is beyond belief.

The redshite did it with a different ref, without any consequences.

We get no leniency or common sense.

Maybe we just benefited from them sitting deep. There was an opportunity to work out some dynamics of his usual formation with newly situated players.

McNeil can't play a straight No 10 in the Premier League. He is capable of bringing the ball from deep, typically from the left midfield position. He can also arrive late to above the box and has the vision and/or left foot to make good things happen. Dibling simply needed continual involvement and an occasional overlap or run through.

Moyes looked like he was not willing to risk his defensive shape to make any of those things happen. He will now pay the price for that inflexible preference.

When we win, it's accolades for Moyes and most of the players... but when we perform badly, it's "Moyes Out", "He is a dinosaur" etc.

Let's have a bit of perspective, lads. Moyes is handling the worst squad in our history and is down to the bare bones of putting 11 out on the pitch, never mind balance to the team.

The club have known for years we are devoid of a decent striker, a pacy winger and a suitable right-back and even the new "Acquisition" Group have had since the beginning of the season to identify and line up targets... Yet here we are, 8 days into the transfer window, devoid of players for key positions with Moyes claiming we "More than likely will not make any acquisitions in January".

What the fuck? Are we devoid of any ambition or just happy to paddle along and stay in the Premier League?

The result was on Moyes' shit team selection and the players' cowardly, abysmal performance.

People talk about steadying the ship, but if we would have won our last two games, (something we would have probably had more chance of doing if we had started the games with more balance in the team) we would now be sitting in joint fourth.

The ship should have got steadied the minute we got into our new ground, but it’s sitting in Dry-Dock, when it should already be getting ready to sail!

The absentees will eventually return and we'll go on a mini run in Feb/March.

Europe will briefly beckon only for us to lose daft games and the season will end not with a bang but a whimper and the players will play the last few games in flip flops (no change there) sunnies carrying a beach towel in front of a 3/4 full ground, then have the cheek to do a self congratulatory lap at the end.

Grealish will be signed for a monster wage.

Moyes and The 3 Amigos will still be here in August.

Rinse and repeat.

Never a red card in a million years, it was accidental!”

Look up proprioception. We can tell how our hands are orientated even with eyes closed. There is no way Keane mistook the ponytail for the guy’s shirt.

People, including the manager apparently, don’t understand how superior the hand-eye co-ordination and reaction speed of a professional sportsperson is compared to the average person. Keane may be a ‘lump’ compared to the absolute top level but he had that situation well under his control, and him and the attacker are both moving up and down with the same rhythm, not meeting fleetingly at an angle.

And he put Jake at right-back again.

His next line up will be very interesting.