Moments of complete madness earn crazy red cards

Otherwise unchanged.

Hope I am wrong!

The team looks unbalanced. We change a defence that kept a clean sheet to one that shipped 4 goals at home -- then keep that same defence at home at the expense of the one that kept a clean sheet away -- the team with players playing in their actual positions instead of shoehorning a colossal 6ft 5in, or 6ft-6in centre-back at right-back with no natural right winger in front of him!?!?!?!?

Against Forest, we had a natural right-back and right-winger -- and kept a clean sheet away!

I am not very good at this football logic!

Anyways, here's hoping it is a masterplan!

"I am not very good at this football logic" -- neither is Moyes, it's baffling.

So he's not changing a back 4 that shipped 4 goals at home, but he changed the back 4 that won away.

Lack of options? Who'd you prefer out of Rohl, Dibling and Patterson?

'So he's not changing a back 4 that shipped 4 goals at home, but he changed the back 4 that won away.'

That's what I meant in my roundabout way!

Trevor Steven he ain't!

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated by the predictability and intransigence.

I keep thinking we're back to Dwight and Jack on the wings...

Big game for the lad.

Moyes leathers the defence and keeps the same defence. As Dave A said on another thread, he has the face for it.

I still can't believe he won't play O'Brien in his proper position, especially as we conceded 4 at the weekend with a complete lack of pace, and after his performance against Forest.

He must be very highly rated. How old is he, 18?

Armstrong plays.

Or a river in the Midlands! 😬

I think it says more about Patterson than it does Keane.

Shame to leave a striker on the bench who scored 2 goals in the last game. Not surprised Dibling on the bench, but it shows the lack of backup in the squad, when we have to use a left-footed winger on the right side.

This should not be an easy game and there should be no need to make it easier for your opponents.

Moyes obviously now prefers to start with Barry and use Beto from the bench.

Most confusing thing was Moyes talking about Armstrong starting instead of Rohl, who isn't fit enough yet, without mentioning Dibling's omission.

Instant Karma!

The team is already down to 10 men but he seemed determined to provoke the referee into giving him a 2nd yellow.

It's not just the effect tonight but that's 2 more bodies lost to the squad. Absolutely nuts.

Ha, ha, ha!

Moyes inspires shite, I reluctantly begin to think.

Divvies... and childish Divvies.

It's no use blaming the ref. This was entirely on us. The team selection was cowardly and abysmal, performances non-existent, the substitutions 25 minutes too late, and an utter lack of competence from players and management alike.

In the space of 10 days, our European chances have died. Burnley was a disappointment. Brentford was a disaster. This was a new low, in a season where we've been battered repeatedly at home. Tonight was the worst.

It'll be a relief once we get the cup game done to go down to one match a week, because this fucking team will only be able to ruin one day a week rather than two, as they have done lately.

You did brilliantly by the way to get that report out so quickly.

We are too slow to move the ball. Barry had scraps but offered nothing.

We need Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye back asap. We'll now have suspensions. Maybe it will force something to happen in the transfer window but I won't hold my breath.

This current team is slow, lacking in drive, lacking in ideas. We have no fullbacks, it's pointless having strikers because there is no service to the front men.

Midfield have no ideas, we pass the ball back so many times. I don't normally have a go at the manager but can he please explain what has gone wrong since the marvellous display against Forest???

Back looking over our shoulders, I'm afraid.

Why does Keane even grasp the hair and give the referee a decision to make?

Why does Grealish maintain his berating of a referee who clearly won't change his mind?

We still had enough chances to secure the 3 points but very poor decision making when they did occur.

Midfield and defence inexplicably evaporated for their equaliser.

Harrison Armstrong probably the only one who didn't fail overall, with a fantastic Pickford save preserving a fair result overall.

If Micheal Keane deserved to be sent off for that, then I'm done with modern football because that was a total fucking disgrace!!!

Stop going on about reaching 40 fucking points, the bottom 3 are down, gone.

This season has been there for us but we've failed to capitalize because yet again we've got no goals in us, no pace in us, and we have players that can't self-motivate and a manager that is too slow to trust his own subs.

We could have challenged for 5th there this season, fucking Brentford who have lost Ivan Toney and Yohan Wissa plus Thomas Frank, are 5th at present.

Sweet finish from Micheal Keane, but he ruins it with Hair-pull- gate.

You couldn't make it up!!

Thanks, Moyesy, but you are a by-the-numbers, flat-line line basic coach. You settled the ship, thanks, but to move on with this new era for us, we need someone with a more progressive, positive mindset, adaptable and perceptive in-game management.

A decent manager would fine Grealish for that irresponsibility.

We can keep criticizing the manager but the fact is we don't have good players at the moment. The ones which are good are either injured or away at Afcon.

McNeil was the weak link today. We need to sell him and look at a short-term loan replacement for an energetic quicker winger.

As you say, Moyes probably has reached a certain level and I think we'd know the Friedkins' intentions if they did, say for example, move Moyes on, then go and bankroll a move for Iraola of Bournemouth before someone else does.

I don't see it happening though.

Keane had already won the header and was on his way down and instinctively grabbed his ponytail for a second or two. Imo, the lad should have been red-carded for his hairstyle -- not the other way around.

Grealish was very childish but the referee could have been a bit more lenient knowing he had already sent Keane off.

We look like a team who blow up after half-time and playing at Hill Dickinson Stadium is too much for some of them.

Use of subs has always been an issue for this manager, in-game tactical changes to the team are non-existent.

TFG, it's time to take charge of the club on the field. We need the squad freshening up now -- not in the summer. We need the scouting system to produce gems -- not duds. So for fuck's sake, get on with it.

Players needed help after 50 minutes but Moyes wouldn't change things.

Piss poor all over.... no ambition, this club.

Moyes's first sub took 87 minutes, because of Keane's red card, and he takes off Armstrong... unbelievable!

How did McNeil last the full game? One point in our last four home games, and that's against the bottom team. We definitely need to bring in a few players, better than our recent shocking signings apart from Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall.

A very soft red if you use the term ‘violent conduct' but it was clear Keane deliberately took a fist full of hair and the ref might not have had any alternative once it was pointed out to him.

No shots on target and Moyes didn't try anything to kill the game off but then the shit hit the fan with the red cards -- and he'll be happy with the point bollocks.

This was fucking Wolves.

Yanks want money, we want football. He is a yes man. Suits yanks. Not us. Get someone with a winning mentality. UTFT.

The midfield was awful, especially in the second half. Wolves just waltzed through them time after time and the centre-backs and O'Brien were asleep for the goal.

We created absolutely nothing yet again tonight, just potshots from the edge of the box. Tim kept dawdling on the ball and losing it and McNiel offered absolutely fuckall again.

Dibling gets hooked against Brentford but Moyes persisted with McNiel tonight when he was worse, nothing came down that right side again, no crosses... absolutely nothing.

Still, Moyes has to play the strengths the team has; at least get crosses into the fuckin strikers who are a handful in the air.

Another MotD I won't be watching.

1 point from 2 home bankers. And he thinks we're going to get into Europe!!!!

I cannot bear to listen to the guy's rantings - he will take us nowhere. A diabolical manager, with no motivational skills. I will not watch Everton until that man leaves the club.

What's our bench now, 2 goalies and a bunch of empty seats?

The manager persists with Dwight McNeil who he knows full well isn't in his long-term plans.

Iroegbunam runs a lot but his passing is abysmal and he needing hooking earlier.

Grealish and Barry blowing out of their arses and not involved.

He's got a striker on the bench and a £40M winger sat there for the sake of fuck.

Why sign Dibling if you don't trust him to play 5 games on the spin?

Very interesting when you go back to that Manchester City game that thankfully ended up costing our neighbours the league title, even if the more suspicious amongst us could argue that we got enough bad refereeing decisions in that relegation battle to make it feel quite sinister.

Kavanagh never saw Rodri handle the ball but he saw Michael Keane pulling an opponent's hair on the way down after they had both just jumped for a header?

If you look long enough, you can find almost anything. If I was in charge of Everton Football Club, I would be coming out publicly with what I have just said regarding Kavanagh.

The game was boring, people are paying very good money, going to a beautiful stadium with terrible logistics, and are simply not getting any real value for their money.

Craig @33 gave one of the biggest reasons why a lot of people were getting very frustrated when he mentioned how we are too slow to pass the ball, and that's without mentioning how slowly a lot of players also pass the ball.

Another season in danger of frittering away.

I thought Wolves were a team of absolute crying bastards, so with regards Keane, I suppose it worked in the end.

And yes, Grealish should have known better but you could also make a very good argument to say the referee could have also dealt with it a lot better.

If you jump high for a header you occasionally look for an anchor on the way down. Either a shoulder or a shirt normally

Stupid I know but a red card for that never in my 65 years of watching and playing football.

Cavanagh always has it in for us and will have told the referee what to do. Apart from anything else was it a “ clear and obvious error”.

Wolves looked better than us in possession. Our squad is nowhere near deep enough. Wasn't at the start of the season, certainly isn't now.

No goal threat from the front whatsoever, Barry. Grealish, McNeil. I doubt Barry touched the ball more than 5 times in 90 minutes. Poor service, yes, but he offers absolutely nothing.

We are a very difficult watch at the moment -- not helped by the manager's negativity.

I don't think it excuses it but the only things I can think of is they must be training on a much quicker surface and aren't adjusting for drag, or they aren't actually confident about pinging it about.

They don't understand how detrimental those lost fractions of a second are when trying to disrupt the movements of the opposition (which seems ridiculous but would fit in with our often too casual approach to pressing when the opposition has the ball).

Basics for professional players, surely?

It's ‘clear and obvious' if the ref didn't see the fingers being curled around the hair.

He learned that technique from the Burnley Girl Guides!

D.Moyes never got the nickname of dithering Dave for nothing, and we should be wary of expecting him to change.

I praised him for that performance but today my feelings have changed back to, He should not be the future of Everton Football Club.

His biggest problem is he either can not or will not recognize his weaknesses.

Telling the referee to go look with the Keane violent conduct hair pull is pathetic once again.

Not at all the same as when the PSG guy was sent off in the club world cup for pulling the hair of Cucurella.

Grealish, well he let himself, the club and the fans down tonight - what a fucking idiot.

Guardiola let Grealish go because he was fed up with him slowing their game down - he definitely does that all right.

He adds quality to this current Everton side but I don't know if he is worth the rumoured fifty million and massive wages approaching 31 ?

Same old same old - Moyes should have started both strikers tonight against this Wolves side - McNeil should have been on the bench - he was simply awful once again tonight.

One point from from two winnable games just isn't good enough from Moyes.

We have zero pace, both full back positions needs addressing, Garner isn't worth 90K his agents apparently want and we need a proven goal scorer.

It won't happen this January window, but more money is required if are to compete.

Incidentally I’ve just been sent a text with a wolves player coming right down the back of Harrison Armstrong’s calf, and if VAR, can deem Keane, to have been sent off for violent conduct, then this is a lot worse because it could have caused a very serious injury.

I don’t think many players go out to injure a fellow professional, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen Michael Keane, show any real malice to anyone, but I’ve always been of the opinion that if you look hard enough, you can usually find almost anything, if you really want to.

Everton have got to come out absolutely swinging tomorrow, because there has been too much previous with Kavanagh on VAR, plus other things, and when anyone see’s this very reckless tackle on Armstrong, I think it will show that the VAR referee has been very, very, very, fucking selective tonight.

Substitutions were made far too late and absolutely nothing done to try and wrestle control back from a poor Wolves team. Mouse’s will always be defensive, it’s always been his preferred way of playing.

I got up in the early hours here in the Philippines to watch one of the worst second half performances I have ever seen. If Moyes is the future of this club, then our future is really bleak.

Teams know exactly how we will play and how we will line up,, that’s obvious to everyone except our dinosaur of a manager. What is it now, one win in 6/7? I can’t see where our next win is going to come from.

The red cards were pathetic but that can’t distract from yet another woeful performance using the same, tired, tactics

The lack of width from full backs is unfixable with current personnel and for that Moyes is, at least partly, responsible. As an earlier poster noted, he has steadied the ship as was required of him but we need to push on now and he can't offer that.

On the sendings off, unprofessional from Keane & particularly Grealish but the application of VAR in this instance was farcical.

I didn’t think Gueye’s slap met any reasonable threshold for ‘violence’ but plenty have argued that it did.

None of us know what directives the refs have been given for the offence.

These days you will get an automatic yellow for any shirt pull to prevent an opponent getting away from you, whether it’s two handed or a quick grab that the player could probably easily pull away from if they wanted to.

Refs often aren’t very consistent, so why give them nuanced decisions to make?

He offers nothing, would sooner see one of the younsters playing instead of that useless lump. Always looks like he is about to doze off.

Iroegbunam seemed more comfortable in a more forward role, some nice surges up the field, but passing consistently woeful.

Please can we start with Dibling, sometimes he looks promising, sometimes he is poor. McNeil in the same position is always poor and won't get better.

Grealish is class, his vision and passing ability is light years ahead of anyone else on the pitch.

Rookie referee and looked it, no common sense and ruined the game.

We ended up desperately fighting for a point, but we should have been hanging on for three.

The Keane sending off really is given by people who have never kicked a ball or had to head the ball away in a contest with a man mountain.

TV slow motion can make more or less any tackle or coming together a drama. A defender gets up early and uses the opponent to gain an advantage. Keane didn't grab his hair and pull it. Clear and obvious my arse.

The hwang rake on Armstrong was the only red card offence in the game.

I can't defend Grealish, he lost his head and tried his best to get sent off. Both will miss the cup game this weekend.

If I was a betting man I wouldnt be backing us this weekend.

Moyes had nothing on the bench to bring on. McNeil and Barry off for Beto and Rohl for fresh legs but neither are any good.

Armstrong did ok, I thought Tim was our motm tonight closely followed by Keane who is definitely unlucky alf.

We got another point towards safety. Think that's the only positive.

“Keane didn't grab his hair and pull it.”

“Oh yes he did.”

So when I tuned in at HT, I had to have a rueful laugh at our goal scorer - not one, but 2 in the eye for those not keen on Keane (NKOK)

Firstly from Moyes for selecting him

Last but not least, from the so called 'best striker at the club' for metaphorically thumbing nose with his goal.

Then we seemed to sit back, they came into it...or was it the other way around? the live forum could see it coming and in due time it did

("Make a 'kin sub Moyes)

Then it really went to full - ridiculous / shambles / debacle / laughing stock etc, etc, pick your own adjective - mode.

(...even if it is only of the bananas in pajamas B1 for B2 type)

Don't blame it on the sunshine

Don't blame it on the moonlight

Don't blame it on the good times

Blame it on the boogie.

(Sun-shine, do,do - moon-light do,do - good-times - Boogie)

Don't blame it on a new Referee either for...just like with Gana...applying the letter of the law.

Blame it on The 3 Amigos for our recruitment

Blame it on The 3 Stooges...in no special order - Grealish, Keane and, last but not least, for being where the buck stops - D.Moyes!

And as for excuses; The last time 1-1 at home Vs Wolves was a decent result* was back in the days of Billy Wright and Stan Cullis

*may not be actually true.

What does seem true is both Tarkowski AND Keane are yesterday's men, as is, especially given his wages and overall potential cost Grealish.

Tim Iroegbunam is what he is - a make weight in a £10million PSR fiddle.

Sunderland will fancy their chances - how many will fancy ours

Loads of empty seats around the ground, mainly due to the ridiculous ticketing system around no physical season tickets and it being a pain in the arse to pass them on.

Why do we have to put up with this shite, Moyes has taken the formation that beat forest with ease and turned the team into a total mess, you can feel the anxiety in them.

Anyway...rant over

Frustrations tonight

Too slow.

No one seems to look what is on before they receive the ball so it is always passed back. The times there was huge space on the opposite wing and rather hit it first time, play it back.

Total refusal to have a go. Might get blocked, might get deflected to a team mate, might get deflected into the goal, may even go in. No, we have Pires, Henry and Bergkamp up front and can walk it in all the time.

Jack Grealish and his man bun. Jack - leave it in a pony tail or pig tail.

Total lack of understanding between wingers and full backs and overlapping or not.

Positives.

Tim was considered an equal to Lewis Dobbin. He has improved much more than Lewis.

JP - another BBC comment about thought he would have gone to a big club. There are only 5 in the UK bigger than us. He is one of us and he is the best English keeper.

Meeting Derek Mountfield

Finding the Everton v Fulham 62-63 programme, a match my dad took me to, at the Heritage Room

I've just finished watching the match and have not read any comments.

Why do other teams always seem to start faster than us but we settled down and started carrying the ball forward quickly rather than the usual fiddling around at the back with Iroegbunam doing well and Armstrong moving intelligently and then poacher Keane strikes and nearly has a second and it looked like the three points would just be a formality. This despite Pickford moving almost to the halfway line to try and get the ball for his long punt forward.

However, as we so often do which makes me think it must be under Manager's orders we start sitting back and Pickford gets his way and then we see the stupidity that has crept into the game since the inception of VAR.

If Keane is sent off for that then the Wolves player should have gone with him for assault with a weapon namely whiplash from a ponytail. And then Grealish falls foul of a thin skinned Referee who should be sent to non-league football although they have done little to deserve him.

Nothing like my original post but so little seems to work on this site since the takeover but they probably make sure it doesn't happen with the betting! Or does the edit button work for them?

However, based on the last run of matches how could anyone believe that we can afford to slip into cruise control to see out this season before the spectacular recruiting fireworks in the summer? I’m not saying that we would be in any danger of slipping into the bottom three, but who the fuck wants to meander from one game to another with this squad even with our AFCONS coming back? What a wonderful recipe for spirit and morale! I for one and I think nearly all of us want better than this. Who the fuck wants to coast in low gear and watch us slip down the league as our brand new ground grows quieter and quieter.

It does not help that the loudest and most repetitive voice on here for sticking rather than twisting knows absolutely nothing about behind doors with the recruitment lads but that does not stop him going on and on about a ‘long-term plan’ about which he knows as much as I do about an armadillo’s respiratory system and same poster has not told us that we will get a right-back and a left-back in the summer.

Said poster is in a small minority on coasting into summer and an even smaller minority on sticking with the Tarkowski/O’Brien partnership. It does not help that this ‘no Patto or is it Patts’ poster with previous form provided wrong figures for effect on the Keane/’Tarks’ combination trying to inflate their successes before being called out.

Now, oh precious irony, Keane’s pathetic hair-pulling means that Patterson will surely start at right-back, unless Moyes is insane enough in a conservative way (which he is) to push Garner there. The last two games have shown the weaknesses of the slow Tarkowski/Keane pairing. Tarkowski was superb against Forest and shite in the last two games. My hunch is that he would rather play next to Jake than Keane. No matter what he thinks, it is best for us that this happens.

Bright notes: Tim-I looked so much better pushed up higher before he ran out of steam; Harrison Armstrong (seriously Moyes if he does not start against the Mackems you will get volleys of abuse); and Pickford who was pretty steady but Dear Lord that absolutely world class save to give us the point.

Some ridiculous stuff posted on the ref cards.

For example, Rob Dolby: 87: ‘Keane didn't grab his hair and pull it’.

Erm, yes he did, and he was an utter knobhead to do so and give Var the chance to review it and do their usual stuff. Simple, Keane doesn’t pull the lad’s hair there would be no red card.

Someone on the LF said that Grealish was clapping the referee for a good decision. No words! Grealish has always had a knobhead tendency from his early Villa on-the-piss days to his latest in the Leicester Square up-market strip club (Jack did not even look at any of the girls) and this was knobheadedness of the highest order.

The real concern is that we offered hardly anything in the second half (before and after the red cards) and we let Wolves grow into the game, which they did. Some pretty mean comments on here about Wolves, not least from Mr. Dolby. Wolves fully earned that point for their second-half effort and nobody – well, neutrals anyway – would have complained if they won the game.

I’m sick of being lectured to by one or two on here about the pragmatic quiet window. We need players in this window whether on loan or putting down the readies. We have to have a right-back. How many more times can we watch Jake trying to cross the ball or running or not running up the wing? I actually thought that Dibling and Patterson worked well together after a dodgy first quarter at Forest.

I have no words for McNeil or Barry. McNeil has come for me to be symbol and symptom of our recent malaise along with the gaffer’s handling of the right-back situation. He won’t sleep tonight if Keane is not available for three games after his hair-dressing tomfoolery.

The team v Sunderland will be fascinating and will tell us a lot about Moyes, but for me it needs to be: Pickford (did he pick up a knock with that world-class save?), Patterson, O’Brien, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Garner, Iroegbunam, Armstrong, Dibling, Alcaraz, Barry (alas, who was utter shite v Wolves).

COYB!

Keane's hair-pulling was 'not deliberate'. Oh, so it was what, accidental, by chance, the Wolves lad put his braid in Keane's outstretched hand?

Embarrassing Moyes but not as embarrassing as this, perhaps:

We should all grow our hair longer so that there is more chance of getting it pulled.

Absolute crass Moyes and you make our club look utterly stupid and ignorant. Certain hair-styles can be ethnic in origin you knob. But it's just the utter inane stupidity of the comment that beggars belief.

How about Moyes: I think Michael was a tad unlucky there and it should not have gone to VAR but as I've said to him he should not have given VAR the opportunity to take over the situation because the world and his wife knows how likely that will turn out.

Real class, style, and leadership Moyes.

"Sunderland will fancy their chances -- how many will fancy ours"

I met a Sunderland supporter on a songthaew this morning that reckons they're not interested in the FA Cup, they'll field a weak team.

So will we... but not by choice, a game neither side wants to win!

I hesitate to tell you this but McNeil will be starting on the left wing against Sunderland.

I just think that for the VAR (who let's face it, has been responsible for this pathetic sending off) to tell the on-field ref, to go and have a look at the Keane incident because he's made a clear and obvious error, hasn't been consistent to both teams because it was obviously a much more dangerous tackle on our player.

Bring Seamus in for Barry, see if Lord Lucan fancies a game and either Hill or Dickenson as a false Toffee Lady. Royal Blue shirts with a big yellow streak down the back. Cup run my Norris Green ring piece !

The persistent use of O'Brien at right back is the most stubborn failure in the history of the world bar none (exaggerating?). Even a shite Patterson makes the team more balanced and more likely to win.

So that defensive choice isn't about lack of players, afcon or lack of transfers, it is the actions of a manager so deluded by his own self righteousness he cannot believe, despite all the evidence, that he can possibly get it wrong.

If that defence had persisted in the next 3 games we would have lost, but we'll win or at least draw because Moyes will be forced into changes, then he'll come out and laud in all the praise he gets from the sycophant footie "experts".

In all seriousness, the rest of Jan looks very scary atm the way teams can carve us open. Crazy to think Dom could get a hat trick against us and we wouldn't be surprised.

End of season, I'd love to see the Ancelottis back in town after their failure at the World Cup. A little succession planning with Davide taking over from his dad after a couple of seasons.

You want to win Friedkin, bring in a winner.

Where the midfield was by the way is anyone's guess.

Keane scores with the header, and its game over. We had them on set pieces, and should have played on thst advantage.

Mcneil was terrible on the right. How we lasted till 91 minutes was beyond me.

The midfield 3 did well for the first 60 minutes, tim especially. But the faded badly once gomes, andre and larsen got a grip of the midfield.

Little service into the striker. Shit full backs, usual story.

Patterson will start right back next match. Mcneil on the left. Thst will cheer up the happy clappers.

They have been popping up all over the place screaming for guy who has been comfortably our best defender dropped Apparently we play too deep when he (our main goal threat) plays.

Cant wait to see Tarkowski and Moyes break career long habit's by pushing the deepest lying defence in the league up 15 yards Apparently the lightning fast O'Brien didnt want to play the entire game against Forest in his own box and has bollocked the living daylights out of the pair of them.

Expect to see us play the next three games in the opponents half

better than us particularly in the second half when they were

mainly on top. The Everton bench intrigued me. Moyes

embarrassingly doing his dad managerial histrionics

alongside what I think is a Madame Tussaud dummy of

Alan Irvine.

Stop blaming refs and just see the reality.

In my opinion players should have to have long hair bound up anyway, it can impede defenders, or likewise attackers.

Grealish is the one that wound me up the most, seen it coming a mile off, several times the ref warned him, just shut up, get on with it, childish behaviour and he should be fined by the club as much as possible!!

Think tarks is now creaking, the busy Xmas period has shown he's ageing and struggling to cope with the demands now, get a RB get jarred & Jake forming a partnership, get keane & tarks some nice cushions and blankets for the bench.

At home we look awful because our cbs can't step up, if we are not defending the edge of of box we are caught out over and over, teams know it.

What's going on with Branthwaithe? He seems to be on a constant cycle of ready to play then no sign of the lad.

Not possible with the suspensions and injuries at the moment but Tarkowski needs taking out of the team for a few matches. He's making too many mistakes and looks gassed out at the minute.

Looking back, what a shambles we are. Management, signing of poor players, organisation, stupid behaviour from professional players, ie, Grealish -- £300k pw!! Should be heavily fined by the club.

I've supported Everton for the past 70 years plus and, for the first time ever, I switched off the match before the final whistle against Brentford and Wolves.

As a young man I'd stay on the terraces till the end and try and be last out of the ground. I've yet to go to the new stadium but I'm not sure I can face it yet with what I see on the box.

As supporters, we can say should play this player in such and such position and should this that and the other. Moyes throwing a wobbly over a ref's decision --- it's all deflection from the overall situation in that we are in a pitiful state.

We are fortunate that we picked up points when there was a hype in the club, new ground, players etc... but that hype I fear is turning into gloom.

But maybe it's just me and I'd be delighted if my beloved Everton gave me some hope.

Just a new ref trying to get his first big scalp imo.

You get a red card for tackles that look like they intend injury, others that are minor in comparison... and then you have hair pulling! But Keane knows the rules, or should do, so there is no real excuse.

Grealish was really clattered before he was sent off, he obviosly thought he should have been given more fouls before. Again he shouldn't have done it, but they are human.

I see there's fans again jumping on the manager and saying it's all his fault. Most of the players are not good enough -- that's the main reason for moderate performances.

We don't score enough goals -- that's the biggest problem and that's not all to do with our centre-forwards. How many goals do we get from the other players in the team? Sod all.

I get the argument about attacking full-backs and that may produce more goals but that could also lead to conceding more goals.

There is very little wrong with our defence as it stands, that's not our problem, it's scoring. We are missing Dewsbury-Hall badly because there is little creation or scoring coming from the midfield without him.

I wasn't that surprised with the result; Wolves have been much improved in recent games, check their games.

That young kid Mane would be a cracking buy but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to a top 6 club, there will no shortage of clubs after him.

I was grateful for all those points we picked up because I thought it was mostly hype being talked about the team and players. There is some excuse now because of the depleted squad, made worse by those stupid and unnecessary red cards -- either by the VAR or the players -- the players definitely for me.

I think a few more points are vital to keep the wolves from the door... those Wolves last night embarrassed us and nearly left us with none.

We probably have enough points to avoid the relegation tightrope but, unless something happens in the FA Cup, that means our season already has an air of pointlessness about it...

"There's little wrong with our defence" -- come on mate, did you see the Brentford game? The defence is okay if we are backs-to-the-wall defending our box and lumping it away.

At home against Wolves and Brentford, they were shocking!
Myko offers nothing going forward, he's a decent defender and gives his all but he's just not good enough.

Ask Tarkowski and Keane to defend higher than the edge of the box and we are vulnerable with no recovery pace. I feel for O'Brien -- he's not a right-back. So how's our defence OK?

I'd say the players we've had missing when playing disguise the fact that our defence is woeful. Tarkowski's drop off this season is affecting the whole back line. And playing
2 games a week over Xmas has shown his decreasing effectiveness.

Wolves and Brentford... what an opportunity wasted, and now an even lighter squad with suspensions.

I'm frustrated by Moyes's intransigence regarding O'Brien and Dibling. Dibling will only get better with game time, he needs to get some. Moyes said Armstrong looks better for playing games, so why won't he offer the same to Dibling?

I would rather Patterson at least got a chance at right-back. He might not be the long-term answer, but he is a coached right-back.

Regarding the January transfer window, I'm all for swerving stupid panic signings; Mike Gaynes is not alone in his views on that. I've no problem if we don't sign anyone to keep money back for signings in the summer. But we need to be using the squad players better. It's not happened.

Moyes is a pragmatic manager. He won't make what he considers risky moves, he always prioritises defence. In some ways I'm ok with that, but when our better creative players are missing, and tweaks are called for, his reluctance or inability to make changes is frustrating. Our squad is not brilliant, so it's not all down to him, but the last two games have demonstrated the downside of this approach.

The moaning about the sendings off is a smokescreen, he needs to grow up and own the fact that both players ran that risk. That might be happening backstage for all we know.

Even if that is not the case, if you have an urgent squad issued you take action. Man City may not have planned to buy Guehi, but the injuries to Stones, Dias and Gvardiol may force their hand. TFG and the manager may have believed that O’Brien, Coleman and Paterson would provide adequate cover this season, but someone would have to have been living in a cave for the last 5 months to still believe that.

and thats playing most game with no recognised right back.

Those stats are not saying to me that our defence is poor, quite the contrary.

We need more class in the midfield and the forward positions, if we had we would be a lot higher than 12th.

At the moment we have a good and valid excuse in that we are missing key players, which is bound to affect our performances and results.

I can't understand the comments, we don't need to panic buy a fullback this month, we needed a right back for the last 2 years!

Or would you see goals like Wolves & Brentford's 3rd & 4th, where the defence is cut to ribbons.

There's a reason that Keane & Tarkowski play for Everton, and not England or a top 4 side.

And theres a reason that the last couple of managers have adopted the style they have with a couple of thousand games under their belts.

Ive also read transfer links for our good players, that we rate. But not much on the rest.

What does this say about the situation? The rest of the world is wrong,and some fellas on toffeweb are right. Maybe, but I aint pinning much hope.

However, in my opinion, it should have never, ever, gone to a VAR decision.

Once that twat Kavanagh got involved there was only one outcome with that young inexperienced ref.

The Club have to appeal and that twat Kavanagh should become the second ref banned from Everton games

Saying all that 6 games from mid December 3 points gained no win at home,

Lethargic, uninspiring football, ridiculous goal difference.

Totally unacceptable and no excuses

I'm not saying that individually our defenders are great but only that the bare facts say that we have lost games not because the defence was poor over the season but because we are not getting the enough goals.

Ideally we need better class players both in defence and attack, until we do that we will continue to have joy and misery in various amounts.

The best teams can do both well.

We have a brand new modern stadium that needs fresh thinking.

D.Moyes is the past not the future, he has good players that play in a poor squad but his set up and game plan is predictable and that will not change

There is no doubt that over his career he has been successful but like every one of us age takes its toll. Move over D.M.like everyone else age takes its toll, and a modern facility needs a fresh approach

Sacking is easy, finding someone better is the hard part.

Some managers drop on a squad just at the best time and appear to be better than they actually are- look at Potter. Franks who I do like is struggling now at Spurs.

I think its hard to know very often how good a manager actually is.

If he has a squad of good players and they gel together they make the manager look good.

My concern in that TFG are ignoring the urgent issue right in front of them because they have a long-term plan - as Mike Tyson said “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

No point planning to renovate the house next summer when the wall has just fallen down.

Oh I'm not saying we can't keep a clean sheet.

We are good when we are sitting back deep and defending our box, we are not good when opposition teams break against us.

4- Newcastle

4 Brentford

3- spurs

The busy Xmas may be the main factor with 2 ageing CBs, but this is PL, you're going to have busy times.

There's an argument that the manager shouldn't be asking these defenders to play that way, but we'd all be moaning if we sat back against Wolves & Brentford.

At home, where we are meant to take the initiative to win games, they've been asked to step forward defending higher and been punished. Especially when teams know we carry zero threat without Ndiaye & KDH.

We will grind out 1-2 nils

We will do well away too.

But can see a few more 3-4 nils against us too if we ask these defenders to play like yesterday.

This was Wolves, a team that's on course for one of the lowest points tallys in PL history, and our defence struggled.

They had one-off target shot in the 1st half.

They changed it up in the 2nd and a supporter on Merseyrail last night said that was the 1st decent pass from Larsen this season. All of a sudden it is 1-1

Then Keane has is brain dead moment (if he was that concerned with the dreadlocks he should have gone down a lot earlier and said they had hit him in the eye) and after that it was backs to the wall.

Then with Grealish off it was back to Forest and Tarks and O'Brien repelling all boarders. Seen the interview with Edwards? He was fuming as they had 10 minutes of 11 v 9 and rather than stretch us they made it easy.

We are not creative enough and the opposition walks through the gaps in our MF.

we get by with Gana, Ndiaye and KDH playing but even then we still do not achieve the heights a proper "Everton team should.

Jimmy Garner has worked his tripe off in recent games and the tiredness is now showing.

Whoever paid 40m for Dibling should never be allowed near recruitment decisions again.

We could have got the Leicester lad for far less and he has pace, goalscoring and chance creating in his locker.

I keep hearing we have no pace at the back (and we havent) but he is supposed to be the answer. That was one of the few times I have seen one our defenders let a man find space behind him and do him for raw speed,