Absolutely criminal penalty shit-out from Everton

Unortunately for you, there is very little to also criticise among the subs as the options are so limited.

So now it is all down to the players.

Otherwise, pretty much the only line-up we have, with the only question around centre-forward.

This team can and should win and hopefully win well.

Living in hope for some real effort in every blue shirt.

Beto to get a brace.

I'll be staggered if we don't lose, but this team (and the manager) should get some slack from supporters given that we have 5 or 6 starters missing depending on who you think should be in the first 11.

Just look at our bench!

Lack of imagination but I do hope that these injuries that cannot be named are not something caught in the team bath.

84% of the ball for Sunderland.

Moyes should boot them both up the arse and explain they are playing top flight football -- not Sunday pub kick about.

How about the players take responsibility for inept displays instead of constantly blaming referees etc?

We're making Sunderland look like Barca. Two great saves from Pickford.

Then it went quiet again until once again poor defending allowed Sunderland to score, was it Garner with the nothing header? Then it all went to sleep again and it seemed more happened in injury (extra time?) than in most of the half.

Oh, and we are Everton, the home team, and we play in royal blue, so if there is a clash the away team changes so sack whoever is responsible!

We aren't out of it though, Sunderland aren't all that, we just need a bit of luck (which we aren't getting at the moment).

Goal for them. Awful.

Maybe Olayiwola could come on and play in his place. This kid has loads of skill, more importantly he knows how to use it and might give our fans something to get excited about.

Oh, and he's got a pulse as well.

Put me on that pitch at 51 and I'd do better than most of these. They look like they don't want to be out there.

People can blame the stadium but the players need to play with commitment and intensity as a basic requirement.

Even if we score, I wouldn't fancy us at penalties. Why do we always sign slow players?

We'd be out already if not for Pickford. Can Dibling just put head head down and take his man on?

A good manager even with star players missing would still be able to do these things. It's just dour dreadful football.

The question of Dibling isn't so much whether he can put his head down and take people on -- he definitely can -- rather why isn't he?

My guess would be he is being trained in the ways of definsive discipline, told not to be expressive, and the poor lad has had all confidence beaten out of him.

I'd imagine even a young Christiano Ronaldo would have struggled under Moyes.

Watching us in black at home doesn't feel the same. What a bunch of money-grubbing, heartless, soulless bastards.

Just saying like.

I don't think it was a penatly but we were due some luck.

He has changed the game... outstanding!!!

Disgraceful penalties.

Absolutely pathetic.

Worst pair I've ever laid my eyes on. Absolute dog shit

There was no way we were doing anything in the cup this year, let's face it. Not with those strikers.

Get The Fuck Out... Now!

It's become embarrassing.

Buy a fucking centre-forward, I couldn't care who, anyone would be better than those useless lumps.

That penalty shoot-out was pitiful and pathetic.

Looking forward to the rest of the season, and the inevitable relegation mess.

No games of any consequence until August. Not a good feeling.

Then on to penalties. I don't know who came up with the taking order but I'd never have let Garner take the first... fourth or fifth maybe after the keeper had seen others. And then Barry's effort which can only be described as childish to be followed by our other almost goalless striker.

It's been said many times; Everton that!

All 3 were woeful and the worst I've seen for a long time. Kids would be embarrassed if they did that and these guys are paid professionals.

Impressed with the few minutes I saw of Aznou —- the man that never was —- not a bleedin' minute before today. So out of the cup, more injuries, some which we might get told about... or maybe not.

Ditto his mate Beto, absolute joke recruitment.

Mission accomplished,

Let them eat cake

There's no commitment, no competitiveness, no direct forward passing. It's just hoofed hopeful balls to forwards who never win them. Rinse & repeat.

Barry is an embarrasment of a footballer and for the most part so too is Beto.

RS win shoot-outs. We lose them.

Addition by subtraction.

That's out of order mate.

Moyes went for the win at 1-1 by bringing three full-back substitutes on.

What, for a holiday!!!!!

Sorry for the fans trying to get behind that shit show.

Dwight McNeil has the down and out demeanour he had when his partner was very ill. Hopefully they aren’t going through the same again.

I severely doubt Barry will ever be good enough. Got to at least do the simple things well. Allowed defender to easily slip by him when he should have had him pinned on his own goal line.

Dibling looks like he has no instinct of what might be his best option at any time. Is it something he’s just lost for now and can potentially recover?

Aznou and Armstrong showed enough for them to be involved for rest of season.

What a shambles.

Don't think I would trust the current committee to spend money wisely. Barry, Dibling. Rohl tell you everything you need to know...

The only bright side was Aznou, who showed more fight in his short time on the pitch than our £42M signing Dibling. Moyes said there probably won't be any signings in the January window... after this showing, the owners may take their finger out because a striker and full-back are essential.

Nothing to say but invective.

For me, Patterson was outstanding and certainly didn't look like the liability most maintain. Maybe left-back is not such a problem. He just needs competition. Aznou was incredible when he came on, so there is hope for right-back.

As for strikers, I had thought Beto was better than Barry but will change a game for us. Overall, Sunderland were quicker and technically better footballers, I'm reluctant to admit.

Those who think OBrien is the future are delusional. He may be a back-to-the-wall defender but offers nothing creative. In possession, he either passes to Tarkowski or Pickford.

Enjoying my visit to HDS but bitterly disappointed with the result. Moyes is an easy scapegoat for those who will never accept him but he didn't miss the penalties.

What are your thoughts on the substitutions?

3 full back substitutes at 1-1.

Aside from that, as a coach, what value has he added to any of the players at the club? Dibling's career is in free fall, Barry did score goals in a competitive league, Aznou is apparently not good enough.

He has run his course for me. I don't trust his instincts on players. His teams are negative and predictable, his approach to game management is do nothing or make like-for-like changes when there is no other option.

The stadium has come way too take, it should have been Kings Dock years ago, but the Kenwright/Moyes combo really did damage this club and set us back years. And now we have one of them back.

My MS makes games harder to attend, and I'm certainly not going to consider until the football is better on the eye and he (Moyes) has left our club for good.

Patterson played decently and Aznou was excellent.

If we had sneaked through on penalties, having equalised with a penalty that never was, we may have drawn Macclesfield and that really would be the story.

Phew, what a relief.

We're that used to watching a big clumsy centre-back there that our expectations have dropped.

Forget injuries /suspensions, we are missing basic football ideas from him. I don't know now he he can lift the team from here.

Perhaps we have avoided an inevitable 4th round exit today?

Same old same old every year.

Here is the question -- is David Moyes the man to nurture and develop that talent?

We're buying absolute dross, and unfortunately Moyes and Kinnear have contributed their 10p worth with Barry, Dibling and Rohl. None are good enough to put an Everton shirt on.

Brentford, Sunderland, now join Brighton and Bournemouth as clubs who know what they're doing, excellent cheap players with good tactical, managers, who aren't afraid to get youth in early.

Moyes knew this period would be tough with Afcon, injuries etc but never ever tried to bring on Dibling, Aznou, Rohl, with 20 minutes here and there, with odd game thrown in to get them ready and available.

I won't be surprised if Moyes doesn't make it through the next two weeks.

I've been a supporter of him for many a year, but his lack of courage in youngsters will bring him down.

Why weren't the lads wearing royal blue at home??? It's infuriated me. Money grubbing cunts.

If those two centre-forwards never play for us again, I couldn't care less. Another shit show.

Thank god I haven't got to go for a couple of weeks. Just pathetic to watch.

Ordered mine already as I remain a passionate but, it appears, idiotic fan of the Gs.

Here is the answer: No.

Wearing that stupid kit for a home cup tie when you are facing a side that has 7,000 with its away following, talk about making the new stadium a cauldron... my fucking arse.

That and the way we haven't seen hide nor hair of these new owners in basically 12 months, we've had nothing from them at all in the way of input and what expectations they have. Unlike when the Saudis took over at Geordie-land and told everyone they wanted Champions League and a trophy within 2 years.

What have we got?

We sit here and try to make light of watching two of the worst strikers that have ever graced the football club and make out that it's something that we must do like we are a Sunday league club or something, we've sat here all season and not had a proper right-back at the club.

Zero aspirations of ever being anything other than a mid-table to bottom side, and we have the same discussion every year but never move forward.

We don't create pressure. I can't remember the last time we truly battered anyone and had them under constant pressure.

Everything is just fleeting moments, players playing out of position, no pace, no guile, and no fucking hope.

Football is built on tradition and it tells me these new owners view us purely as a business and nothing but. Fuck Off, Danny Boy! You're not welcome here after what I've seen today as a whole.

Say what you want about old Bill but he knew the club… We'll fight, fight, fight with all our might for the boys in the Royal Blue jersey.

Friedkin Out! I said it first.

David Moyes, he had 2 assists in that game. Would free up Garner, Armstrong and Dewsbury-Hall next season.

For a right-back, Óscar Mingueza from Celta Vigo, also out of contract next summer and has 4 Spanish Caps, age 26.

Centre-forwards, not much available on a free who might be interested in coming to Everton.

Please fuck off out of our club, you miserable soul destroying bastard. l've seen enough of your exhilarating football to last me a lifetime.

Three absolutely lamentable performances on the trot... two cup exits at the first hurdle.

Are you just unlucky, a loser -- or fucking both?

Now we are seeing the real Moyes. Dire football, playing on the back foot. When we do win, we just scrape through, poor possession stats, never dominating or controlling games, etc etc. I could go on.

Very very disappointed... but not surprised.

We had the weakest squad in the Premier League. People insist on buying youth, but then want instant results. So Moyes is criticised for not giving youth a chance, and in the same breath, hammered for buying young duds.

We've had two draws at home this week against Premier League opposition, whilst we've literally got a whole team injured. And people are blaming the manager.

Clearly Everton are expected to beat Premier League opposition with ease, even with eleven players out. Where did this level of expectation come from?

It seems that the improvement Moyes engineered was instantly banked, with no credit given. Demands are made for a 'progressive coach' -- whatever that is.

How about steady improvement, can we not settle for that for a couple of years, with an experienced hand on the tiller, without demanding West Ham style for god knows who?

The players don't set the price tag so we can't blame them. But it is truly a piss-poor run football club.

I can't see us competing for trophies ever again, regardless of whoever the manager is. The club is rotten.

TFG need to show they have the appetite for what's needed on the pitch. And start by replacing flat-line Davey and the muppets who make up the recruitment team.

This is the same fucking 4-5-1 we have played all season. How are they not able to anticipate what the play is and where the options should develop? They look as though Moyes has not spent adequate time with them or they do not have belief in his methods.

That play improved so dramatically as Aznou was brought on is frustrating. These players could have been drilled into functional form but are not familiar with each others' tendencies and preferences to make plays.

We have some serious problems in asset management going on. Moyes is culpable. We are about to experience a similar deterioration as when Dyche first found defence competence but never developed any courage in possession.

I hope I am wrong but players look like they are losing commitment to the project.

Between them and Beto, we've blown £115M on substandard players; we'd be very lucky to recoup £40M.

Recruitment and favourable negotiations are the worst in the Premier League... only Man Utd seem to be equally inept.

Okay, injuries, suspensions, and Afcon... but things will have to pick up soon based upon that effort. The owners must know where we are up to with that shit show.

I give up.

Classic Moyes is to follow a disappointing cup exit with an unexpectedly good result in the league, like the 4-4 at Old Trafford.

Time to focus on next season. We've got a couple of decisions to make on recent big-money signings. Perhaps a loan move for one and a transfer for the other -- it's never too early to cut losses.

We have a small squad and at least 8-9 players out from injury, suspension and Afcon.

Let's judge him, and the team, at the end of the season shall we? Let's learn from the West Ham fans, shall we? They'd have Moyes back in a heartbeat!

We also got a slice of luck for a change (it was never a penalty for me).

Xhaka head and shoulders above any of our lads. At 33, he has been a worthy signing for them, still has lots to offer.

When I think back: How the hell did Howard Kendall do so well at a club who so obviously put profit before results? Nothing has changed, has it?

Moyes is just here for the dough. So are the majority of the players and the staff -- a cash cow, under seige by leeches.
I am convinced that this clown-like relic is on its way to oblivion.

Frowned upon by football authorities, ridiculed by the media, and laughed at by its peers. I ask, in all seriousness: What other club than bloody Everton would countenance not one, but two absolutely useless, pathetic, lethargic, stupid twats like Barry and Beto to score in or win games of football for you? It must be a sick joke, right?

The strikers that have been jettisoned -- Simms, Cannon, Dobbin -- would score 10 times as many goals as these fuckwitts.

What is the point of Everton, David Moyes? Answer that, please. I just have an enormous amount of respect and admiration for the fans who are true loyalty but continually disrespected and used by the club.

We should of stayed at Goodison and built a new regime based on youth -- irrespective of relegation. I love Everton, but I hate EFC.

So what was the dour bastard's excuse against Wolves in the Carabao Cup??

Same as today, he'll shrug his shoulders and won't give a fuck.

We never move forward. Moyes should have been gone last summer and a new fresh coach brought in with his targeted players. This is just 2½ years of more stagnation under Moyes.

Why should we perpetually be building and waiting for 2- and 3-year projects? How about some of that sweet-tasting jam now?

But no, people say a few more transfer windows, couple of more years. I'm disappointed with TFG so far -- show the ambition or just become another useless custodian of the club.

Yes, Everton were depleted, Sunderland started with a number of second-string players, but they could all pass and move, and were comfortable with the ball. We were the complete opposite.

This can only be down to coaching.

I know we were missing players today, 'get a grip', don't forget Sunderland have 6 players at Afcon, and they outplayed us today.

What I find amazing, Patterson and Aznou, two players who haven't been given a chance by Moyes, and Armstrong who was sent on loan, were our best players today along with Garner.

You have to question Moyes's selection and tactics.

Clubs like Brentford have last summer lost the manager, three of their best players, yet continue to move on a forward trajectory.

Yet at Everton, there's always a ready-made excuse to buy more time and write off another year and put another season in the bin.

Our Fans... still waiting for Silverware... and still the best in the land!

This is not Moyes's fault. The team was doing well before injuries and Afcon; I think Moyes is one of the best in the Premier League.

Recent seasons have seen us survive relegation on the final day twice, so we have improved quickly. In a month's time, we will be fine.

For us, that was the end of the season.

If, if, if.

If me auntie had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

Did Macclesfield have better players than Crystal Palace today?

No.

We didn't have enough desire did we?

We move the ball too slow and we have wankers as strikers that I wouldn't put in a kids' team.

We're 4 points off 5th spot, and have 11 players due to come back from injury. So I expect there will be further significant improvement this year when compared with the last 10 years.

Were you hoping though for a run to the final as well? Well you can't always get what you want. But that doesn' mean we've got a dud manager, the opposite in fact. We've just come off the back of a 60-point season.

The lack of understanding and good grace to a chap who's done us proud this last year is quite amazing. We've drawn our last two games with 11 players out and it's 'Get the useles git out!'

Take a fucking bow lad...

It's on Moyes this season, he plays it safe with his favourites.

Sack his sad, boring cunt before it gets worse... which it will!!

Define "being fine", Jimmy?

Will we be back in the cups?
Mid- table obscurity?
Stuck with the dross up front or goal scoring strikers brought in?
A proper right-back signed?
Same predictable football from the manager?

Barry for Dibling is a positive move.
Anzou for a tiring and ineffective Rohl.
The other subs were like for like.

For me Patterson was nowhere the liability most people think. For me, he was solid all game.
Aznou was a revelation when he came on.

Must admit I don't know much about Welch or Campbell but if they are both full-backs then they were like-for-like.

We are way too slow and ponderous. For me, O'Brien offers very little going forward, keeps passing inside or backwards. At least the much maligned Keane can deliver a long pass and score the odd goal.

So much for the much-called-for pairing from the Forest game of Tarkowski and O'Brien. Utterly disappointing but consistently looking to putting it down to Moyes is a cop out.

The plan was to shoulder much of the responsibility. In possession, we are way too slow compared to Sunderland.

Finally, it wasn't Moyes who took the penalties.

Barry and Beto are terrible but the worst player on the pitch by a country mile was Dibling. Anzou looked good.

Our recruitment is shockingly bad -- if this is down to Moyes, sack him.

If not, I feel sorry for him as half the team are not Premier League standard.

We are 12th, marginally above the bottom feeders in a very weak Premier League. He has failed to beat Premier League opposition in three attempts that has seen us exit all cup competitions under his stewardship by the second hurdle.

The quality of football is poor, and he has not strengthened the squad. Garner is the only player who has, slightly, improved as a player -- and it looks very much like he is about to leave for nothing.

The young players that he has bought have been frozen out. Aznou's performance today makes a mockery of his lack of opportunity until now.

Andrew @99: West Ham fans would have him back in a heartbeat? Go on to their fansites and see if you can find much evidence to back that up.

Their reasons for wanting him out are well-documented and the same ones that have followed him around his entire career. Negative, boring football. No crystal ball required to foresee more of the same for as long as he remains.

I'm also a shirt collector too!

You could tell by Moyes's press conference his heart wasn't in it. And that pessimism passed on to the players.

"The FA Cup is one for the fans," he said.

Just what does that mean exactly???

We need to be realistic. We're missing our 3 most creative players. Rohl looks lost, as does Dibling and McNeil. For sure, Moyes is working on Dibling's defensive side. He'll turn him into another Jack Harrison if he's not careful.

Just give him the confidence he needs and let him play freely. If you can't do that, send him back to the Championship on loan where he can make mistakes.

I'd keep Aznou on the left and have Grealish play central until Dewsbury-Hall is back. McNeil and Rohl look shite and can't start again.

If Forest are interested, I'd sell McNeil while he's still worth something and bring in some reinforcements with pace and guile.

We are running out of players, and the ones we've got aren't good enough.

Rohl's obligation to buy looks a waste of money.

Mykolenko miscontrol out, demonstrates him to a tee. We've been hugely patient with the Ukraine national. Too patient.

McSlug is dreadful.

Beto and Barry are limited players.

Dibling looks a waste of money.

Just how many players can you carry, before fans will wake up and see you aren't going to win, if the attacking players can't create anything or control the damn thing.

Despite all of that, we took it to penalties, and lost in classic style.

I was fortunate to have seats immediately behind the dugout. I felt really sorry for Dibling. He looked absolutely distraught when brought off.

Stared into empty space for ages after. Obviously going through a very bad time.

I fucking do, Kevin -- and so does everyone of my blue mates. l absolutely cannot believe what you've said: "Who gives a bollox about Milk Cup?" Is this a piss-take statement?

What kind of fan says that????

This is why fucking fraudsters like Moyes make a living out of football... because they're allowed to.

We shame the FA Cup.

And we definitely shame the League Cup too!!

Something will need to give in the summer.

Like for like is my point.

We were at home in an FA Cup tie. Against Sunderland
Could he not have brought a forward on?

We -- as a football club that hasn't seen success since fucking Teletext was the in thing -- should absolutely definitely definitely certainly give a shit about every single competition and stop being fucking picky.

What?

Should we throw the cups to concentrate on winning the Premier League? Lord give me strength, just weird.

Why teams don't try their utmost to win one of the remaining two is beyond me. What is the point in existing as a football club if it's not to win trophies?

Please tell our manager.

Look at the team we finished with, Elijah Campbell, Reece Welsh, Adam Aznou... I've never even heard of half of them, and cos we lost on penalties to another Premier League side, everyone is losing their minds.

It's very odd.

This "be happy to get a point" shit from some fans sometimes does my head in.

Man Utd started the rot by not playing in the FA Cup one year in favour of the World Club thingy, as I recall.

I think there was effort. They're just not very good.

That side is nowhere near good enough to get anywhere near silverware. There's just not enough players with a goal threat.

This club is existing, which is an uptick on the 777 Partners debacle and points deduction not so long ago.

Yes, we have some shocking players currently... and just to disagree with you a bit, if they had all shown the same commitment as Anzou did when he came on, we might have had a different result.

PGMOL would never allow us to be winning anything.

I'm not sure how much longer I can watch Twit and Twat up front each week.

Fair point defending Moyes's selection today as we had no other options and he didn't at least gamble with a cup keeper.

Clearly these lot aren't good enough. However, the bigger issue to me is that, when we had a fully fit squad, he gambled vs Wolves and lost.

You know and he knew Afcon was coming in January so we'd be short on numbers aside from inevitable injuries. So if you have two shots at a cup and know you'll be handicapped in one, why the he'll do you gamble with the other one?

He should have absolutely focused on the League Cup, getting through hopefully to the latter rounds before Afcon began. Instead, he threw that away.

Then he has his ready-made excuses for going out of the FA Cup too. That to me is unacceptable.

The crosses are aimless. Most lack basic dribbling ability, most can't control the ball, most lack pace. They can only play it backwards, as they can't take the ball under pressure or beat a man, to make a positive pass. When you add that up, its no surprise we look impotent without Grealish, Ndiaye and Dewsbury-Hall.

I put in another post, weve footballers in Garner, Armstrong, Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye, Grealish. May be you can add in Aznou. But there's a long list of limited players thst seldom show technical ability.

How frequently do you see technical quality from O'Brien, Tarkowski, Keane, Mykolenko, Beto, Barry, McNeil, Alcaraz, Rohl, Dibling, Patterson, Coleman? Hardly any. Some perhaps you wouldn't expect, but when you have a list like that, you're doing nothing.

A great shout regarding Wilson on a free, if he could stay fit.

Definitely an upgrade on the worst strikers in the Premier League.

Only Everton could buy not one,but two "Bambi On Ice" blokes to play up front -- both fucking useless and equally lacking in any football nous.

They are right up Moyes's street come to think of it. He doesn't want nous -- he wants control so his shit system is never "out of shape". Boring football, played to the percentages -- not for me thanks.

And it's only gonna get worse now. Moyes's downfall has always been lacking integration of squad players -- he has his ways and his favourites, so okay.

Aznou looks good to me -- so play him.
Barry looks shit -- so don't play him.
Beto looks shit -- don't play him.
Armstrong is good -- play him.
Put Keane up front -- he is a liability in defence.

Get Vardy or Wilson in January. Bring in quick defenders -- your reliance on slow defenders kills any attacking football because you make the pitch too big.

I don't care if we win a few, lose a few... as long as we are going after games. Which we are not. Hence your crap record at home. Fortress? It's more like an orchard where the visitors just amble up and help themselves!

Injuries are an excuse; use your squad properly and rotate. Oh, and get staff who challenge you and the tactics.

Thanks to Pickford and a stupid penalty, we limped into extra time where we had to suffer the most embarrassing penalty shoot-out ever witnessed. At least my recurring nightmare of the Onana penalty will now be replaced by Barry's.

For the third time in a week the opposition completely out passed us. The hoofball we operate is an embarrassment. As for the shirts... heads should roll.

There's a lot wrong at the moment... so I suggest Friedkin gets his arse over to Liverpool and bangs some heads together.

Our 'style' (he, he!) reflects the dour personality of our revered coach.

He's just pulled his hamstring.

Even injured, he'd be an upgrade on these strange characters we've got up front at the minute...

The first half in particular was simply dross. Does the FA Cup 3rd Round not mean anything to anyone anymore? Where was the passion, the crunching tackles to ignite a (potentially) vociferous crowd?

It was the dampest of squibs. The ridiculously early kick-off time didn't help.

Watching it, I had the impression that we were feeling sorry for ourselves; as if our injuries and the recent vile VAR decisions had somehow given us licence to perform in such a lacklustre manner. It was bad.

It took the entrance of an inexperienced young defender to get this grumpy 59-year-old off his seat. That lad showed more desire in 5 minutes than many of the others over the previous 85.

The worst was yet to come; the two penalties taken by Beto and Barry were the icing on this lump of turd.

There are mitigating circumstances, we all know that, and nobody was expecting a dazzling display here... but this was a major disappointment which results in another season ending in early January.

This team needs some right narky fuckers in it.

There's always hope, I suppose.

People bigging up Garner for the England squad, well that's the level you need to be at.

As for ‘money grubbing', people do understand the club needs to make money so that there can be investment in players, don't they?

No one is forcing anyone to buy the replica kits and the club should do all it can to maximise optional spending. Only other option is to raise ticket prices; is that really what people would prefer?

James is a bit of a darling among many fans, and while he does seem to be our best midfielder, he doesn't have much to beat, does he? A bit like being voted the nicest Nazi.

I hope the scouting staff who spotted Beto and Barry have been shown the door.

I don't really like to slate Mr Moyes, but all his staff sure look a bit long in the tooth, and maybe rather old-fashioned. Our attacking style seems 1930s. Get it across and Dixie will score. Based on hope rather than design.

Rapidly moving through the stages of grief here, anger has already turned to apathy.

Just what is the point in watching us right now? We must be the most pointless team in the Pemier League -- there's zero entertainment value (unless you take some perverse enjoyment in watching graduates with honours from the Onana School of Penalty Bed Shitting)!

Realistically, we're looking at a fight for between 10th and 17th. It really makes it hard to give a fuck. At least the relegation battles had some drama attached to every match. But who wants that? Is that seriously the only competition we're good for, a relegation escape?

Okay, I guess the anger isn't completely gone. But the apathy is becoming very real. Season done early January... fuck me.

I'm not a Moyes fan at all but I don't especially blame him for today; options were limited to put it mildly. But how many times does he need to see Barry and Beto to realize they are both completely fucking useless???

Never mind the service, you could lay 10 goals on a plate for those wasters and they'd conspire to miss at least 9 of them. So stop playing them! Try something different, for fuck's sake!

We're essentially starting every match with 10 men at the moment, that's how little they offer. But Moyes's latest wrinkle is to switch to both of them on the pitch at the same time? Oh good... now we're down to 9 men (at best).

The squad is admittedly awful but Moyes's inflexibility is just as bad. For opposing managers, we have to be the easiest team to prepare for by a country mile.

Apologies for the ranting, just feeling really beat down by this shit. A cup run would have at least been something.

We had next to zero chance of winning the competition so I wont be losing any sleep tonight. One or two more rounds would have been nice, though, and would have put a few bob in the club coffers.

It's a bungle of laughs supporting Everton, it's more like a penance.

Neither can control the ball or pass it or have any football intelligence at all.

Barry in particular plays like he's just escaped from the funny farm.

We've still not seen him at one Everton game.

Not to mention his subs on 75 minutes every week. You can set your clock to him. If the 4-5-1 system is not working, then change it! No, not Davey.

That’s the thing with Garner he’s better than the others but does that mean he’s great? There were times when the same could be said of Scott Gemmill or Lee Carsley but did anyone champion them as potential international stars? No. Garner like many players is capable of the odd good game but is generally mediocre. McNeil had good games less frequently, Dibling and Rohl for us so far none at all. So it’s all relative. Even KDH is being hailed after a few good games before injury but he had several sub par games earlier in the season. The most frequent performer is Ndyiae, followed by Grealish but neither of them do it every week or thereabouts like a top player.

The attraction of buying a football club with a ready made brand new stadium and huge TV revenue sure us attractive. Time will tell but. show me your money Dan!!

He / his company bought the club not a season ticket. His (non-) attendance isn’t necessarily a measure of his long-term commitment to EFC. He may be happy leaving the places in the director’s box to those who are actually running the club on his behalf.

I’m not ‘defending’ anyone, just saying I don’t see it as reason to get the pitchforks out of storage.

Moyes comments are revealing to me. He accepts losing as long as its in the 'right way'. He's an average manager of average or below-average teams. That's his MO.

I cant think of any tactical masterstroke or game changing intervention in all the years hes managed us. Hes simply not capable of anything other than what he always does. That's why he ultimately accepts failure. Its inherent to his limited approach and ability.

Same old blues.

I should have known that you would come along

I can't believe I ever doubted you

My old friend the blues

I could excuse our manager if we at least had a go in games. But no, always safety first, slow going forward, keep it tight at the back and look to snatch a 1-0 win.

West Ham would take Moyes back in a heartbeat? Their fans would riot if he went back there.

Anyone who believes Moyes wasn't heavily involved in the summer recruitment is delusional. Moyes left West Han because he wanted full control there and refused to work with a director of football.

As I have said repeatedly, he will never change his outdated, boring tactics. So, whilst he did have a threadbare squad to select from, it doesn't excuse his constant use of the same tactics every single game.

Every manager in the premier league must love playing Everton because they know exactly how we will play because they know exactly what system they will be up against.

Mid table and out of both cups, yes I can definitely see the progress our magnificent manager is making. But don't worry, everything will change when we have all our missing players available. I don't think

Anyway i'll reserve my judgement on them against this summer and next summers transfer window. Three summers to build a side, we'll see how that shapes up.

My concern is what quality we have will leave well before Mr try to cling on to one goal leads does.

Same today, I'd have had Pickford step up before Beto and Barry such is the slipshod nature of the way both play.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the leadership at this football club

Who you playing instead today then?

Graham? Malik Olayiwola?

Keep going, drop Mcneil, Dibling. Who we playing instead King? Travers?

We can all see the problems. But credible solutions are in short supply.

Let's turn things on their head, shall we? Ian did you see anything in Bozo or Bongo today that made you think that Braiden Graham should not be given a chance? And, if you did, what exactly was it?

The manager brought 3 full backs on instead.

Mental as it sounds, if we can't sign a striker this month, when Keane is back I honestly think you'd get far more off him in terms of nuisance factor, shooting ability than the two "strikers" we have.

Either that or just play Ndiaye there and keep the ball on the deck, is it that hard really?

I can't tolerate more of seeing Barry get out muscled off the ball like a 5 year old and play terrible passes and Beto come on and look like he's just come out of working in KFC last week instead of 7 years ago lol.

It can't go on, we can't keep on making excuses for being shite year in year out.

Is it acceptable- no

Is it progress - absolutely.

Pickford (Captain)

Pattison

O'Brien

Branthwaithe

Aznou

Armstrong

Dewsbury - Hall

Grealish

Garner

N'diaye

Dibling

Last 5 exits before today: 4 4 3 QF QF

Recent league form: unacceptable

Falling or rising in league: falling

Is it acceptable- no

Is it progress - no

I don't think many managers have the balls to drop senior players for kids. Its fine when your Pep, as you can replace any dissenters. Certainly today, the team was picked on status.

I was disappointed Graham didnt get on. As knew mcneil on the right would be a waste of time.

Looking a head Ndiaye could play up there. The problem will remain that we have no one on the right. Dibling and Rohl have demonstrated theyre not good enough or ready.

Keane might have a decent dig on him. But I don't see him doing too much damage. He went up front a while back, and looked like a centre half going up front rather than a striker.

All I can reasonably hope for is a beto swap for a roma striker. And may be a loan for the roma lad with hear condition like Eriksen, Bove. He cant plsy in Italy.

But having done so, we really needed to manage him well,, ease him in, play to his strengths and let him grow and develop.

Instead I see a shy nervous 19 year old, who’s had his minutes severity limited because he was deemed unreliable in his defensive duties imo.

He’s now been drilled in the latter, but no longer has the confidence to use his skill and take a man on for fear of losing the ball, which he did a few times today.

Now I see a kid bereft of confidence wishing he was somewhere else. Bit of a mess really.

Ideally, if we had the squad depth, he’d go out on loan to a nurturing manager. It’s spiralling downwards at the moment.

The last 2 seasons we ended up with 48 points (if you ignore the deduction in 23/24). We are currently on 28 and the way it is going we will struggle to get another 20.

We might not be in a relegation scrap but the bottom 3 are almost sunk this season anyway.

C'mon Ian, it's not like leaving out Kane, Aguero, Latchford, Rush.

Our "strikers" prove themselves completely useless week in week out. Not leaving them out is borderline negligence at this point. I'm not looking for an argument, just really fucked off with those 2 and our manager and Everton in general right now. Sorry for being a miserable c**t but this hurts. Anyone who thinks the FA Cup means nothing is living on another planet from me.

Going on about losing these two players mentally?

I hope we lose them both physically this summer too lol.

Pair of them are not fit for purpose.

We have to stop being a charity, stop being nice and start being a hard-nosed business, that's how you succeed.

Same with dishing out all these contract extensions to Seamus Coleman really, it's just pure sentiment nothing else to it, the player (and I love Seamus he's been a great player for us) but he's finished at Premier League standard.

Everton Football Club will continue to copy and paste every season unless they become a hard-nosed business model

Ian, you're talking about Barry and Beto for goodness sake. They look lost already. How about challenging them to see how they respond? 'Bad result'? Six of our seven last games have been 'bad results'.

Tony-A. You know more about players mentalities than anyone else on here. You sound concerned, so I'm concerned.

I hope that Barry does not live alone in some hotel room.

Having bought my ticket for the game, I was unable to attend nor watch it on telly. Nor was I able to see Marine in their FA Trophy match at home to Gloucester. However, I did watch Macclesfield, 3 places below Marine in the league, knock out the FA Cup holders. They were magnificent.

All I have seen of our game are the pathetic efforts in the penalty shootout. It was what I expected when I saw the result after 120 minutes. Marine, on the other hand, justified my faith in them by winning their shootout 4-3, aided by two saves by on-loan from Everton Fraser Barnsley, described by manager Bobby Grant as “a huge presence on the field and in the dressing room”.

It looks as though the other loanee, Idon Samuels-Smith, will be returning to Finch Farm, with endorsements from no-nonsense Grant about his excellent play, enthusiasm and respectfulness.

What am I rambling about? Personality. We are so lacking in it. Players come to us and seem to clam up, others go elsewhere and thrive. There is something fundamentally wrong with the mentality of Everton Football Club. Occasionally it works, it did so very recently at Forest, but the occasions are very few and far between.

60 years on from beating Sunderland at home in the FA Cup 3rd Round. We are a long way away from that Everton.

The only alternative is Ndiaye going ias a false 9, and hes not here. The player, not considered good enough by a number of managers is Patterson, and there's plenty of calls on here to play him.

A new manager would continue to plsy beto and Barry. To change it requires someone to buy one of them, and I cant imsgine many are prepared to pay decent money to do so.

What a disgraceful comment by Moyes. He was beaming when we lost to City as we didn’t get thrashed so in his knife to a gunfight small mind that was a result. But there isn’t a “good” way to lose to a newly promoted team of journeymen who are without 8 of their own players. If you lose to them at home in any way shape or form that is inherently bad. Talk about lowering expectations FFS is any Prem team now a matter of knife to a gunfight?

I feel equally as dismayed and bereft as I did exactly this time last year.

Numb

Personality; you can’t buy character in John Lewis, is what Rafa Beinitez, said when he was managing Everton, although with the money taken out of the club, by so many people who have offered nothing more than mediocrity, then I’m sure you could have bought the actual shop, a few times over?

My view of David Moyes, is that he hasn’t got the capabilities to keep everyone happy and that’s why he has never really managed a big squad. People point to finances, but the more I look at his record, the more I think that David Moyes, actually prefers to manage a smaller squad, because he hasn’t got the personality, to manage a big squad.

'Someone has to win a penalty shootout and someone has to lose it but I do think there is a way to win it and a way to lose it. I didn't think the way we lost it today was the right way in the taking of it'.

Rambling rubbish. Meaningless junk. Embarrassing.

Pissed off with the attitude with the new owners " give them Moyes that'll do for now"

Not good enough so far from TFG, not good enough by a long way.

Absolutely fantastic manager and the way Aston Villa have been transformed from the team that struggled under Gerrard when we had our struggles at that same time, it's all about a positive football club with sky high ambition, making the right kind of acquisitions and overseen by a bold brave manager.

We need a manager who's first thought is "how do I win this game"

I actually felt sad looking at Moyes post-match. He looked awful, shocked, grey, defeated, confidence drained. He just did not want to be there. I just can't imagine him being inspiring. The gaffer of our personality graveyard.

An appointment by owners or sporting directors or whatever they call themselves who have idea about our club or the Premier League.

Agree 100% on Emery.

Great to watch the way he changes and adapts his team formation during games when he sees how opponents set up to play.

Very good tactician.

Well, we had half a season of relative optimism. But now the wheels have well and truly come off. I agree with Kunal (127), the recruitment is not joined up. Piss-poor really.

"... Tim Iroegbunam, who is withdrawn from this vital clash as a precaution: "He's just got a slight injury at the moment, so he wasn't available to play,"

Possible translation we may be able sell him and we don't want him cup-tied

The Debacle finished at 1 am my time, anyway back to the top to read on.

Did he really say this? Really? His position should be untenable if so. Unfuckingbelievable.

Our crack recruitment team knew that this was an AFCON year. They let us meander into the season without a senior striker. They left us right-back-less. Injuries are inevitable and the right preparation is squad depth. Instead, correct me if I'm wrong, our crack recruiters got rid of more fellas than they brought in.

If you or anyone else can stand it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmZeykLZb5U

"Overall result wasn't so bad "

Should be his epitaph after another loss. If he doesn't care why should we? Such an inspiring leader. I'm gutted we're out of the cup but hey-ho, it wasn't so bad. Fuck off.

"Sunderland are a good team we knew they would cause us problems so we worked on that"

He should have worked on how we cause Sunderland problems.

Throws the "we were short on options today"in.

We had 8 squad players missing.Sunderland had 8 squad players missing,they played us off the park in the first half.

I used to love the FA Cup. The third-round draw and matches was a highlight of the year. I used to love the day-long final show, even It's a Knockout. It was a magic day in 1995.

I am gutted for me and us. I can't help but cling to hope and a now distant past when our third-round kicks off. I'm gutted, but more than that empty, and even a smattering of well at least that's over and done with for one more year - the thirty-first year.

We were playing with 10 men (Dibling) and maybe 9...McNeil.

Cancel Barry Beto's contacts - cut your loses

If they'll have him, send Dibling back to Southampton - he's no use here.

McNeil and Tim Iroegbunam - sell or bench.

Leave Grealish on the bench - costing a fuckin fortune and he slows everything down too much, we're slow enough as it is.

Until NDaiye and Alcaraz get back...2 X U21s Forwards upfront - can't be any worse.

Left to Right; Anzou, Armstrong, Garner, Rohl, Patterson did OK, there's your Mid Field - for what it's worth.

Back 3;O'Brien, Tarkowski, U 21player.

Pickford; did well - again.

Keane; you're a brainless dickhead - Fuck Off.

Moyes - Fuck Off

The 3 Amigos - Fuck off.

Last but not least

TFG - the fact that they recently paid themselves the FSTE standard rate dividend on shares of £43million (3.5% per share on a total of 1.62million shares which values the club at £1.2 Billion) shows we're just a commodity, an investment.

You too can Fuck Off, or sell us to somebody who actually knows wtf they're doing when it comes to 'Soccer'

However, out beloved manager will indeed believe we have made progress