Our plans are ambitious and involve community focussed sports facilities, hotels, housing and apartments, new rail links and shops, all built into and around the stadium. The designs are impressive and, for a club of our stature, represent a real opportunity to develope an economically sustainable future for a club drowning in the avarice of the Premier League clubs that surround us and the truley fickle nature of the modern young supporter.
Most of all, our stadium looks good!
I have just seen the images of Evertons proposed new stadium... Dissapointed would be an understatement. That stadium looks Championship at best... It is what you would call off the shelf, available (literally) in kit form, and at the most economical price. The type of stadium Southampton and Liecester City have. Not the stadium of the longest-serving top-flight club in the league, winners of 9 titles and 5 FA Cups.
Is what they have served up meant to inspire us to opt for Kirkby? Is it meant to send a message to the councillors and MPs of Liverpool that we mean business?? That we're not here to be placated for the greater good of the city (which means LFC)???
As a first impression, that vision of Everton's future is weak, timid and smacks of limited imagination.
Have they visited the new stadiums in Germany, where they have state-of-the-art facilities yet manage to incorporate outstanding design...(Frankfurt's is in the middle of a forest!); that are truly inspiring places for any visitors??? They cite Cologne as being the inspiration; yes there is a definite likeness, but without resonance.
If that's all they can offer at a critical moment in the history of our club, then my mind is made up now... no way do I support the move to Kirkby.
Our new stadium (here in West London) is 20,000 capacity; it's not over the top, niether is it off the shelf... it looks good though... and our architects work pro bono!
I accept that these are inital designs for "The Kirkby Project" and will change, and that the stadium is traditional, but that looks second-rate to me.
On another note, on visiting my home town recently, I noted to my utter disgust, that somehow the Liverpool 08 logo is red and yellow! To the average person, this may not mean much, but being a designer my immediate response was to associate this with the colours of LFC. Therefore, the city belongs to Liverpool FC ? it's not even subtle... did this upset any other blues?
Today has gone from good to bad in a very short space of time... I am so dissapointed.
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1 Posted 20/07/2007 at 14:30:21
2 Posted 20/07/2007 at 14:40:29
3 Posted 20/07/2007 at 14:35:25
4 Posted 20/07/2007 at 14:38:53
Actually the most important thing I wanted to say was that I visited the stadiums of Frankfurt, München and Köln, and that the atmosphere at the Köln-ground was by far the best. At Frankfurt, I though tI was visiting a cinema or something like that...
5 Posted 20/07/2007 at 14:54:45
6 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:10:15
I really do not understand why some people always have to be so negative. BK and KW can’t do anything right with you, no matter what they try.
7 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:11:41
However, I think that this article is a load of crap. I mean, how can you make those assumptions based on 2 images? (as you rightly pointed out)
So you’ve effectively contradicted yourself.
the Rhein-energie and Westfalen stadiums have the best atmosphere in germany, why? because they have 4 steeply banked stands.....
8 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:20:51
9 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:42:26
Lets just blooming move and get on with it.
10 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:37:01
I appreciate everyones comments on my article, and yes Joe, I agree with your point on these being initial designs, but they have ununispired written all over them.
Im not a negative Blue, but our stadium is our statement to the world...We can do better than this surely, otherwise we’ll end up with another Madjeski!
11 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:40:43
You’re a salesman’s dream.
12 Posted 20/07/2007 at 15:46:38
13 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:07:37
14 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:07:29
15 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:12:25
16 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:19:43
17 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:40:28
no day shots cause it would look like st marys, majeski, reebok, ( see other crap designs ) wholeheartedly agree with main article, the only thing that looks good on that design is the name and badge, kings dock crapped all over that design as well as "new anfield" for that matter, oh well best get over it cause thats the future every one, we need to move, but at least put some thought into the design, just look at what pompey are thinking of doing to see how dated our "new" stadium will look like in 10 years time.
ps get well vaughny and bloody quickly pleeaaseee
18 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:55:18
It doesn’t work both ways, the way you reason there are only two types of fans: totally positive and totally negative ones. That’s just not true, I think the majority of us lives somewhere in between. I don’t see a dodgy secret plan in everything the club does, but that does not mean I’m willing to swallow everything they present me.
19 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:54:40
20 Posted 20/07/2007 at 17:03:37
I was of the view that we were getting a 55,000 all seater built? but today everyone is talking of a 50,000 stadium. Cologne’s ground holds 50,000 when the terracing is in use otherwise its 46,000.
21 Posted 20/07/2007 at 16:53:08
22 Posted 20/07/2007 at 17:14:57
I live in London but have supported Everton all my life. I was in favour of moving to Kirkby for selfish reasons, but now feel cheated by the very club that I have given my life to.
This project has been bambi-arsed from the beginning. We have watched desperate men make desperate decisions and have sold out the city, our traditions and Evertons’ soul for this cheap looking, middle of the road, average statement of an average club.
Yes it is important to move forward, but it is also important to move forward in the right direction, and I cannot helped feeling that something is wrong about all of this.
We are still the fourth most successful team in Premiership history. Yet we have become Ishmael to Liverpools’ Isaac.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum... Settle for less!
23 Posted 20/07/2007 at 18:17:05
Why is everyone saying a new stadium in Liverpool will cost more?
Everything is about supply and demand.
A stadium in LIverpool has to be much more attractive to Investors, sponsors,corporate marketeers etc.so it may even cost less.
WHY? - because population, infrastructure, City of culture , ETC etc.
Would BK prefer to put one of his shows on In Kirkby no theatre or in the City of Culture.
Wake up guys this deal is to line some pockets and protect BK?s ownership not to develop the legend that was Everton pre BK.
24 Posted 20/07/2007 at 18:21:34
We will be the People?s Club, but the People?s Club of Knowsley. Shame on them. They are killing our club's future, our fan base will drop year on year. KW said people will follow a successful club, this coming from a board that won?t spend any money. Keep Everton in the city of Liverpool, where it was born.
25 Posted 20/07/2007 at 19:39:54
Anyway let’s be clear the design of the new stadium is largely a red herring...the key issue in this debate is the location. And I will be voting NO.
26 Posted 20/07/2007 at 22:17:28
Lastly, I come from the Wirral just like William Ralph Dean, does that make me a him lesser Evertonians because we are not from within the city bounderies? For that matter neither did Tommy Lawton, Andy Gray, Neville Southall, Kev the Rat, Barry Hooooooorne!, AJ, Yobo, Arteta, Alex Young. Stop crying about Kirkby and get a grip.
27 Posted 20/07/2007 at 22:33:51
28 Posted 20/07/2007 at 23:16:26
As for all the amateur architects out there get real, what on earth do you know about stadium design and construction. I haven’t got a clue and I suspect most of you haven’t either. Draw some pictures if you like but unless you know about construction I doubt any of your ideas would work. We all know what we like and dislike but at the end of the day surely its down to a concept and then the designers. Put your specifications forward by all means but don’t carp on about good and bad designs because sadly its all down to personal taste. The RC cathedral was roundly castigated when it was first opened, what price peoples views now !!!
29 Posted 21/07/2007 at 00:42:30
Flag poles with light bulbs and search lights does not make a great ground.
It also doesn’t make a difference how it looks from the exteria... i.e. Goodison.
No pictures from the interia view of course, but we already know what Ewood Park looks like.
An obvious but better design would be our main stand design replicated in the 4 stands... but maybe we can leave that for Goodison’s renovation... cough.
Oh and to the person who said we were the 4th most succesful team in Premiership history... behave!
30 Posted 21/07/2007 at 08:32:31
31 Posted 21/07/2007 at 09:28:24
32 Posted 21/07/2007 at 11:08:00
The laughable thing is that the eventual build wont even look this good, it wont have those lovely computer generated 3d lighting effects.
A ’state of the art stadium’ this is not. It’s a cheap toy-town concrete block of a ground that you can guarantee will have sick building syndrome within a decade.
Oh, and IF we ever fill it, the corners will be filled in. That will make it bowl and hey presto, it’s a larger, blue Riverside. I should give up caring, it’s sad!
33 Posted 21/07/2007 at 11:13:41
34 Posted 21/07/2007 at 13:25:11
If you really care about what we’re being offered have a good look round the site:
The only one I could find that looks like ours was this one from Poland:
I was against the plan to move to Kirkby anyway, but thought I’d wait and see what the actual stadium plans were to make a final decision. The result is so conservative, boring, outdated and parochial that I’m actually embarrassed by it.
35 Posted 21/07/2007 at 13:58:06
36 Posted 21/07/2007 at 14:10:59
37 Posted 21/07/2007 at 16:36:09
38 Posted 21/07/2007 at 19:05:58
Cheers Paul, I thought i was the only Blue who was bothered about this.
I complained to the 08 mob (it was the first thing which hit my enthusiasm for CoC) I complained to the club and I moaned to any Blue who would listen to me.
No-one really seemed interested.
However they do have a blue logo which I’ve seen used occasionally.
And, if I remember rightly, they have a tie with a blue liver bird.
Been meaning to buy one.
39 Posted 23/07/2007 at 11:41:43
Imagine if Glasgow had CoC and the logo was green and white...no, actually, we cant, because it would never have happened!
As for the stadium links that Bee Eater put on, shows what can be done with limited budget but great imagination.
Thanks to all who posted responses.
40 Posted 24/07/2007 at 22:33:00
so its red and yellow - big deal - as far as i was aware liverpool fc colours are red and white. i grant some kits have had yellow included but by and large its still red and white.
everton are a little club hence the little ground. stop living in the past, the blues only season highlight is the occasional win in the derby.
think a little bigger and you may one day be a bigger club.
41 Posted 25/07/2007 at 17:53:31
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