Koeman dismissed after dreadful sequence of form

We need a striker. The fact the board didn't get one in is criminal. We cant fix that for another couple of months but one step at a time I suppose.

Personally I would love Tuchel.

What's important is what happens now. I see only one immediate option and that is a caretaker situation but I have never known us in such disarray for many a year. We have already sold our best assets and the people we have brought in aren't up to the job yet.

Walsh and Kenwright, and Moshiri, do not come out of this very well either, for the most obvious reasons. A bad day in the club's history.

It's a huge decision for the club now. My preferences, the ambitious one would be Ancelotti. I think Dyche has earned his chance at a big club, he's done excellent with Burnley and if he was called Seanio Dychez people would be calling for him to come. Thirdly, Unsworth with Big Dunc.

It would be a gamble but they are both well respected within the club and are blue through and through. Rhino has the youngsters playing with pace, hunger and confidence, what we lack in abundance. I don't know much about Tuchel but he seems to be highly rated.

David Unsworth, the under-23s manager, is expected to take temporary charge

We now need to ensure his replacement is bang on the money right from the off, otherwise this could get messy.

Unsworth as the immediate temporary replacement and - who knows? - if he can get some results he could land the gig full time.

Unsworth gets my vote on a temporary basis, but this time we MUST get someone with pedigree and a good track record.

Well done to the board for cutting their losses...Moshiri is not the ditherer some suggest.

I could have addressed this email to any board member, but as the CEO of Everton football club, I feel you are the most suitable person to address it too.

As the title of this email says "Enough is enough".

I have been supporting Everton football club for over 50 years, and have been a season ticket holder since season 94 / 95, and I have to say, apart from the period when Walter Smith was the manager, this season is the worst I have known.

Frustration, disappointing, disgruntled, use whatever adjective you like, doesn't come into it. In my opinion, we have the most loyal fans in this country, and right now Mr Elstone, only one word describes how we all feel right now. Anger, total anger, at the board and more importantly, at the manager, Ronald koeman.

As I say, I have been following Everton home and away since 94 /95 season, and, apart from the Walter Smith era, the football this season has been absolutely turgid, the worst I have known. The team looks clueless and show a total lack of confidence. The team line up changes from game to game, the formation changes from game to game, players are played out of position, too many players who play in the same position are being shoehorned into the team, I could go on and on. All this is down to one person, the manager Mr Ronald koeman. The man is totally bereft of ideas. Why is it he can't settle on a starting eleven, why is it he won't play with width and pace, and probably most importantly, why has he destroyed Ross Barkley? Here is one player, doing what thousands of lads on the streets of Liverpool who would give their right arm for, playing for the club he loves, being driven out of the club by koeman.

The biggest worry, for me personally, is the total lack of a goalscorer. I understand that this cannot be rectified until January at the earliest, but one problem can be rectified, SACK THE MANAGER, AND SACK HIM TODAY!! Bring somebody in, somebody who knows what they're doing, somebody who can instll confidence into the team, somebody who can select on a settled team and formation. It's obvious koeman is not going to Improve the situation, despite what he says, so it's up to the board to act, and act NOW! By the time the January transfer window comes round, it may be too late. We are now in the relegation places and if we are still there come January, I fear we will stay there.

So Mr Elstone, will the board show some bottle, and sack koeman? The man after all is a mercenary. He's has no feelings towards Everton football club. He's as good as said he was using us as a stepping stone towards the Barcelona managerial position. Well at the moment, he has absolutely zero chance of becoming Barcelona manager.

Finally Mr Elstone, I mentioned earlier about fans anger towards the board. Apart from not sacking koeman, (yet), for me, the biggest mistakes was the transfer of Romelu Lukaku, and not replacing him. I understand he wanted out, but the board showed no bottle in saying no to Manchester United .what are we, their feeder club .and when he was sold in early July,for far less than the club valued him at, why was a replacement not bought? There was still about seven weeks of the summer transfer window left, but all we wanted to do was try and sign Sigurdsson. No disrespect to Sigurdsson, an excellent player, but was not the player we needed at the time.

So Mr Elstone, I appreciate that you are a busy man, and I do not expect a reply to this email, but I do hope you take the time to read it and maybe pass it on to other board members for their thoughts.

Yours.

Robert Halligan.

I want someone who can fix this on the training ground, as we cannot sign anyone for some time now, until the window opens. Pochettino would be the (unrealistic) dream. So let's get a similar manager in like Silva. Unsworth seems to be a good coach, perhaps evidenced by how he has developed the squad and maintained performances even as the players left. So, let's see if he can do it on a short term basis at least.

Onwards and upwards lads. COYB.

Please EFC make the next decision the right one! Unsy until we have the right man identified, presuming it isn't Unsy himself.

I wish him luck. It didn't work out. But I am very glad he's gone.

He was dour and arrogant. He didn't represent Everton Football Club well in my opinion.

David Unsworth, step up to the plate sir and hit a home run.

Go Unsy! Show us how it's done!

Silva and Unsworth are the obvious choices considering their cvs and trophies won.

Ancellotti has a laidback demeanour compared to drama queens like Conte, Klopp and Guardiola but his winning record is second to none and, who hasn't been sacked by Chelsea and Madrid? Munich, admittedly, was a shock but that was player power at work.

Ask the fans (except the Germans) where he's worked and they all love him. Like I said to you before, he needs a top coach next to him. I'd give Unsy that job.

Fully expect Unsworth to take temporary charge. I wonder whether Moshiri and Kenwright have already lined someone else up or whether the search begins now.

Give Unsworth a shot for now .Let's get out of trouble and then re assess but NO NO Fucking NO to the Grim Reapers mate. Moyes would finish off the job Koeman started and take us down with a ready made excuse.

.Just ask Sunderland fans about Deadly Daves ability in a relegation battle..

Get Allardyce in on a 18 month contract, with David as assistant.
Spend 㿞m in January, job done.
Plus get Barkley on board when fit.

One thing to bear in mind - Everton never win anything without an Everton man, a former player as a manager. Joe Royle the last manager to win a trophy. Howard Kendall before that obviously a legend as was Colin Harvey (won the community shield, a trophy of sorts, as manager). And Catterick before him. Managers from outside the club never win trophies with Everton. Yes, it's a new era of football. But some things never change.

Hardly surprising despite some mutterings about Mosh and Bill not going to do anything.

Steady the ship; sign well in January; onwards and upwards.

We need a coach. This must be sorted out on the training pitch. We don't want a hands-off manager. We just had one of them. We need these players drilled hard. The lack of coaching was so apparent due to the way we played, the runs made and the defending. So we need to identify someone who can sort this out. I don't care whether it is Silva or Tuchel or someone else, as long as they do their homework and get a top coach in.

This has to be Unsworth. He knows the club he knows the players and the crowd love him for his association with Everton. He has also won stuff and his U23s are probably the best in the country. He actually does know how the run a team.

As for Walsh, I don't know too what degree he was associated with the farcical transfer nonsense – but I see no reason to blame him for the on field fiasco.

Been wondering about that myself. Hope someone can finally answer it.

Must be Unsy till the end of the season then Paulo Fonseca PLEASE.

Hopefully Ross will change his mind now, best no. 10 we have.

Have to go down to the local bar here in Spain & get smashed to celebrate.

Whoever comes in has got a hell of a problem and job to do just to steady the ship. The last thing we want is a manager who has NOT been in this position before. What top manager would consider coming here just now? It is not fair to put all this shit on Unsworth until the team and Club have stabilised.

I hate to say it but to me it's Allardyce until the end of the season. He has the experience and know-how to get Clubs out the shit. It also gives us plenty of time to, hopefully, make the right choice for the long haul.

We have a decent squad but round pegs aren't being played in round holes. A new manager won't be swayed by their ego of having to play the vanity projects of Siggurdson or Klassen. Maybe Mirallas and Lennon might get a start, maybe Gueye and Schniederlin won't be forced into the same starting line up. Ross might stay...

Unsy could be the man. Hopefully he will show his worth as caretaker. We have 3 tough away games but hopefully Goodison will be back to its baying, intimidating best against Watford.

Unsy will have a baptism of fire with these away games, but I am optimistic he will fire up the troops to play to their potential.

Has there been a statement yet?

Yes he knows the club but really? With his recent car crash of a career, it would be us doing him a favour, which given our league position, we shouldn't be doing. Never go back.

I guess that smirk when Arse scored their 5th was him winning a bet with Bill.

"We win today Bill, he stays"

"I'm sure he'll turn it around Fazza"

"Oh no (smirk smirk)"

Moyes II, Allerdyce or Pardew and I'm done. You might as well add Steve McLaren to the list.

He steadied the ship last year and got us to seventh or best of the rest. who's responsible for the purchases and lack of purchases in key areas is still up for debate.

Nonetheless - correct decision because there was just no way he was going to turn this around.

BUT OKAY, THAT'S FOOTBALL

Wheres that knife??? I haven't got a gun license

All Evertonians who live in the vicinity of Goodison Park please man the barricades being erected around the ground. Any signs of a ginger headed Scot or a fat bellied brummie should be reported immediately. Do not approach either as they could be armed (penknife) and should be considered dangerous.

Baines and Jags don't strike me as being like that, we sold two players who downed tools during RM and RK's eras. The rest of them have only been with us 5 minutes, from the youth set up or injured.

I'm sure Big Sam has said he won't do club football again and Bill's appointments are completely lacking in imagination. Hello David!

I think they've erased Mike Walker from their databases.

"Everton have fired Ronald Koeman. It's a manager a week at present. Crazy business."

What insight! What deep intelligence! What a moron!

Why doesn't he just turn up in a frock like the transvestite MotD commentator on W1A. He's just as dull and much less funny.

Hopefully Kenwright, Elstone and Woods follow soon. Moshiri get your men at this club and remove the deadwood at the top, only then do we really start moving forwards.

Maybe Niasse will get Koemans locker.

These guys don't understand dogfights . .

Rob, your correspondence and the McNulty massacre on the Beeb must've been the proverbial straw. Arise, Sir Robert.

It would be just so Everton to reappoint him wouldn't it?

I guess it depends on how the board view the situation, early days, give David Unsworth a chance with Joe Royle and Duncan Ferguson, I swear it would be a better team to watch but not sure if they are up for it.

Big Sam would smack of a team in dire trouble needing a saviour from relegation, which actually is true, even if I don't want to admit it. But a better bet than untried David... If the board are on the ball another candidate may well have been chosen already, but since when have the board ever been on the ball..

I do feel relief.

Until he is removed it will never get any better I'm sad to say. He has no business acumen or footballing savvy other than a steely determination to remain the main man at Goodison, running an outdated, old gentleman's club while we slide from one of the 'Big Five' and into oblivion.

Get that aeroplane ready – in fact, get a whole squadron... the man is an egocentric embarrassment who's time is up.

Steve Brown - I have ambition for our club, that's why I don't want Ancelotti. He is not the type of coach we need. He takes over established teams and carries on winning for a season. He never rebuilds teams. We need a hands on coach to drill this lot into a formation and game plan. Ancelotti is not that man.

And do you honestly think if we approached him he would seriously consider it? Name a time he has gone to a team not in the CL? Or when has he taken on a team in a relegation fight?

Ancelotti if we could get him with Unsworth would suit me.

This year the emperor's clothes have finally been revealed. Would love a PROVEN manager for the long term please. Someone like Maurizio Sarri from Napoli would be amazing.

If Klopp goes will there be calls for Brenda to return,? How about if Wenger goes from Arsenal will there be calls for George Graham?? No there won't be so fuck off with the Deadly Dave shouts everyone.

I worry that the group of players he inherits aren't really up to it.

Something stinks at this club and the board and players need to hang their heads.

Sometimes things that fit happen without really trying to force it. I personally absolutely love the guy and his approach to the Everton and football in general.

The fans who go to home and away games should be rewarded for watching the rubbish these two managers serve up, how about some free tickets to the next Europa League game paid for by Martinez and Koeman from their payout!

D Unsworth I believe is absolutely our best choice in the immediate future as caretaker without the pressure or expectation that it is necessarily a permanent berth. I am sure he will respect and understand that and will be willing to step aside if and when a more experienced top manager can be attracted in a few weeks.

He may, however, turn out to be God's gift. Unless we try we will never know, but whoever it is, they have got to get this bunch of misfits working properly if we are to remain in the top flight. We remain in a dogfight now with (as I said on another thread this morning) only 18 points from our last 19 games. Thankfully we've got 3qtrs of this season left.

I really hope Unsy is given a decent chance to prove what he can do. He has done brilliantly with the U21/U23 side and deserves a chance to see if he can transfer that to the first team in my opinion.

Come on Christy. You know better than that. They're probably logged on here looking for ideas,"The board probably have a list of candidates"

Come on Christy. You know better than that. They're probably logged on here looking for ideas,,,1,14:38:01,,217.9.216.43,ok,6345,10/23/2017 14:38:01,Davewilson,reader,, 862331,35697,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Steve Brown,steveabrown1@icloud.com,I think Walsh also has to leave given our recruitment this summer.,I think Walsh also has to leave given our recruitment this summer.,,,1,14:38:09,,202.156.168.28,ok,3840,10/23/2017 14:38:09,remy123,reader,, 862332,35697,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Nick Entwistle,nickdc@hotmail.com,'Giving' Unsworth a chance? Promoting former players from within. Or any coaching staff. Does that work in this day? Or any time in the PL? No from me.

,'Giving' Unsworth a chance? Promoting former players from within. Or any coaching staff. Does that work in this day? Or any time in the PL? No from me.

,,,1,14:38:28,,151.224.234.101,ok,665,10/23/2017 14:38:28,nickdc,reader,, 862333,35697,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Chris Watts,chris-watts@sky.com,Graeme Souness? Ok maybe not but talks a lot of sense on SS

Tunchel had Dortmund playing great football is relatively young. Anceloti is proven class

Fat Sam would have us back up the table no doubt. At least it's exciting again. ,Graeme Souness? Ok maybe not but talks a lot of sense on SS

Tunchel had Dortmund playing great football is relatively young. Anceloti is proven class

Fat Sam would have us back up the table no doubt. At least it's exciting again. ,,,1,14:38:42,,5.69.164.214,ok,1516,10/23/2017 14:38:42,ChrisWatts,reader,, 862334,35697,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Jerome Shields,jeromewshields@icloud.com,Good decision .Koeman was damaging the club,Good decision .Koeman was damaging the club,Turned on,BlueKfrog,1,14:39:03,,86.135.76.247,probation,16297,10/23/2017 14:39:03,JeromeShields,probation,, 862335,35697,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Steve Ferns,stephen.ferns@hotmail.co.uk,"Anyone else seen Koeman out on the town in Manchester last night, like he had not a care in the world. I'm not saying he should be in his house in despair, but would ANY of our last four managers be out having fun the night of such a disastrous game? What kind of example does that set the players?

I'm not suggesting giving Sam a long term contract.
He knows how to get teams winning.

And contrary to others I don't think its a sad day but a good day as this is what the big clubs do so kudos to Moshiri.

But if Unsworth lost the next five games, it's still not January, and there's still plenty of time to get someone in who can fix it.

Didn't work out too badly with a certain Pep Gaurdiola .

Could be wrong but I have a feeling Bill was indeed behind this

Either way, i'm just glad he is gone

Hopefully the link with David Moyes is lazy journalism. We wouldn't have him back...Would we?! I think BK probably would but this would show a complete lack of ambition.

I want us to get a Ancelotti. If we're serious about getting back to the big time he is the man we need so Moshiri needs to sell the club to the Italian. It's unlikely he'll come, but if you don't ask, you don't get, as my dad used to always say. The other names are Thomas Tuchel and Sean Dyche. Any of the aforementioned would be good choices in my opinion.

The other early frontrunner is David Wagner. That's an interesting link. Tbh, apart from Ancelotti, Tuchel and Dyche. I'd prefer to give the job to Unsworth until the end of the season.

I should be sat here feeling smug and say " I told you so" however the mess he has left behind is nothing to be smug about ! I told anyone that would listen last year and posted several times on this website that Koeman was not the right man for Everton FC , only a few others voiced their displeasure at his appointment.

As for the football we have had to endure over the last 14 months I can honestly say apart from the fluke 4-0 Man City game I have not enjoyed any game under his leadership and his brand of football made Bobby brown shoes tika taka look positively magical !!

So glad see the back of the man , so many memories of my time living in Barcelona watching him dismantle a good Valencia side it was like history repeating itself .

Now who to get in , first get Unsworth to take charge and get some organization and fire in the bellys of our first team and then I quite like the idea of Paulo Fonsceca who David Israel on this site suggested yesterday but please please not Moyes or Big Sam !!

I know many will not want it, but our target this season has to be to get out of trouble and move up as quickly as possible - bringing in someone who has experience of the club might seem like a good move to the board. I am not saying I agree. The option of Unsworth/Dunc would be interesting - but taking control of 1-2 games at end of season is not same as taking control to end of season.

Just playing Devil's advocate on this.

Big no to Allardyce - his style of football is appalling and his CV sucks. No to Dyche also - Mike Walker would spring to mind with that appointment.

Need to go after the heavy hitters and show the club means business: Ancelotti or Tuchel - just pay them what they want before this season comes down to the FA Cup hope and a relegation battle.

Experienced managers like anceloti souness or tuchel, failed managers like Moyes big Sam or up and coming like silva, Wagner, dyche.

Tough call. Unsy has no record so would be a big big risk

It's Double dutch to me

If they get results,keep them there on a month to month basis, but at least give them up until December before going full out on our next manager, I would rather wait a few weeks, instead of jumping in straight away for someone who we may already have at our club.

Reading the posts one could be forgiven for thinking that the biggest syndicate on record, had won the largest lottery to date.

Well, I was only saying before, that something had to happen before it was too late.

It will be a difficult task for whoever gets the job, with survival at the top of the agenda, and anything above can be considered a bonus.

The only downside, which doesn't have too much impact on us really, is he walks away with a fat wedge, reward for failure in my eyes.

If he was anything of a man he should give the compensation back to the Club, as an apologetic gesture, for the embarrassment he has caused, and the Holy Grail blown.

Funny how different managers can make fans say they're done. I was 'done' on the hiring of Martinez. Just took me two seasons to accept it.

Moyes seems a broken man after his last three appointments, the fire has gone. If Everton reignited it I'd be happy, I'm just not sure it will. MKII are Jaguars, not managers.

If a manager is good enough for the latter, than he'll solve the relegation threat. No Sam, Moyes etc.

He knows some of them but I don't see how he'd be a safe pair of hands any more than Rhino? Rhino's coached or played with many of them.

Unsworth would be good if he can command the respect of the senior players but I'd be worried he's too close to the likes of Jags and Baines who are chronically underperforming and for me, are central to the problem of complacency and apathy. We've got a few senior players who need a colossal kick up the jacksie. No more sad little soundbites about how we are focussed on putting it right.

Not sure he'd come but Ancelotti until the end of the season would at least put a red hot poker up the crevice of any player that thinks he's too senior to work his bollocks off. He wouldn't be mates with anyone meaning the entire squad would need to impress him.

We shall see...

I think it was significant that both Unsy and Moshiri were at the game yesterday. Moshiri probably asked him for a diagnosis before naming him interim manager.

Unsy needs to put his arm around Ross and get him to stay. Then he needs to do the same with Klassen and Sandro and give them a few games with the U-23 team until they get up to speed. And last, but not least, he needs to rotate Rooney and Siggurdsson in the number 10 role as it's obvious they can't play together.

We need DCL and Niasse to hold the fort until a proper forward is brought in in January.

Don't forget, Unsworth won his last game in charge of the 1st team 3-0, and did so playing kids like Kenny, and that was 18 months ago.

And what is Ferguson's position because he has been a big part of the last two failed regimes.

Only time will now tell if we can recover our belief and confidence in pulling ourselves together, under a still inept system 'upstairs' who are responsible for this shambles and who have made a mockery of our proud, NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMAL motto, COYB

I do feel Steve Walsh should shoulder the blame for not replacing Lukaku. Koeman can be blamed for what happened on the pitch (or what didn't happen), although the players should be ashamed too. However, EFC must have known long before the summer that Lukaku was not signing a new contract and was leaving. Walsh is responsible for transfers and he had all the time he needed to find a replacement and make a plan B, C and D.

It seems Giroud was the only real contender and he decided to stay at Arsenal and yes, there were whispers of Diego Costa but it's difficult to attract top strikers to a club not playing in the Champions League. I also feel Walsh wasn't negotiating with other clubs, but rather paying whatever they asked for. I think all the signing this summer were positive, but I feel we paid over the odds for most of them. Walsh may have introduce a couple of decent players to EPL via Leicester, but the priority for EFC was replacing Lukaku and he failed to do that.

Sorry to see Koeman's reign end in such a bad way, I was extremely excited when he joined. I wish him all the best and thank him for last season. I can't say I'm surprised with the current list of contenders to replace Koeman, but if Moshiri wants to attract top players to the club, he needs to bring in a top manager those players will know, respect and will want to play for. We also need to think about players we currently have who might have signed because of Koeman, will they want to stay at Everton or look to move on in January?

Tuchel would probably be my other favourite, but I do not think he is likely to come here.

I too am now looking forward to the next game! It's been awhile too...

Both wealthy owners but with Leics having the recent history of being PL Champions.

looks like your letter did the trick then !

We beg to differ on Allardyce, one thing we can say for a certainty though is there will be no shortage of applicants for the managers job.
When we get the injured players back and perhaps get Barkley back on board on a new contract, the job shouldn't be that difficult.

If Koeman comes out and says that Walsh wouldn't sign the people on his list (and they are realistic and not the likes of Messi or Neymar), then fair enough. But as Koeman has the ultimate decision, the buck stops with him not with Walsh. Let's see how the next guy does, and if it's the same old, then let's point the finger at Walsh. Right now, we simply do not know. All we can be sure of is he has made a lot of swift and decisive young signings for the youth team.

Other people may know, when the manager has been fired. how many 2nd team coaches in the premier have been successful.

We have been clamoring for Koeman to be fired for quite some time and I believe the club has got to find an experienced manager who has to understand he has landed in a mess,and will need all the experience he has gained in top flight football to get us out of it while slowly rebuilding the confidence in the players.

Reading comments we all have personal views who we should hire but as supporters we have to understand what a mess Koeman has left and while Unsworth may steady us to a mid table position we need someone with extensive knowledge of Premier and European football to take us to a higher level.

We have been managed with to much mediocrity in the past, if the owner is as ambitious as we are to believe ,,don't make to quick a decision, and make sure we get the right person and not a manager that will just do it for the money or advancement to another club but someone who can leave a successful established Premier and European side when he retires.

Again.

...and again.

...and again.

Ffs can Kenwright do nothing right. Time for him to step aside also and let the real progress begin.

I would then try to get Sean Dyche, as he has experience of the Prem, has produced good attacking football on a shoestring, and quite regularly beat the 'big guns too' .

Just imagine if he had some money, what he could achieve, that is if there is any left.

Failing that David Wagner, although he is a relative newcomer to the top table, for the same reasons as Dyche really has produced a decent side capable of beating the top sides, on a limited budget.

I'll admit my eyes did light up just now when I read the news though, as a change did need to come.

So now what? I'm honestly quite confused as to what the club does at this point, since they don't (so far in the last hour) appear to have anyone lined up. Unsworth would bother me in the medium to long term, but likely to be the man to step in while we look for a permanent new manager.

I still don't like the idea, since he's going to inherit a pile of shit to sort out and still won't have Barkley, Coleman, Bolasie or a striker of any note to use. Tough gig if you ask me, and I also can't see many managers on the outside looking at the Everton job as a plum one right now either!

We need someone to smash that glass ceiling not another manager to keep us in touch with the top 4 (6) teams.

We would be if it where February and in the same position but top 6 is deffo achievable with the right man in charge.

For me it has to be Unsy, blue through and through and knows the players. If the ginger surrender monkey gets the job then I'm finished, I swear I'll send my season ticket back if they employ him.

and so to bed.

and so to bed.

I am not speculating for who to come in. I'm more interested to see Barkley signing his new contract now. If he did, we would have a much clearer picture what really went on behind the scene.

Why not Dave Challinor or Alan Devonshire, they won the Vanarama North and South Leagues. Both more impressive than U23s.

Maybe we could lure the Skem U11s manager to work alongside Unsy as a sort of dream team.

If Moshiri wants a top 4 finish next season then we need a top 4 manager. Look at Conte, Guardiola, Mourinho and Klopp's CVs and if the candidate dosn't measure up (like Koeman's didn't) then he is not suitable.

Fuck that. I want the best, not middle of the road managers with no track record.

Why could it work? Because most of the team are young, he has worked with them before. He knows them. He can hit the ground running. He should be able to get a response out of them.

Also, he has managed one premier league game before and won it 3-0. He also won the PL2. He has developed a lot of players in a short time. He should have respect of the senior pros and the likes of Wayne Rooney will respect him as a player he used to watch. So, I think he should be given a fair crack at a few games and then take it from there.

Unsworth would be interesting.

Silva, Tuchel or Phil Walling for me.

Please Lord make them get it right.

Considering the number of under-performing players in our squad, you target a 20 year old Croat who has half a dozen starts under his belt. Talk about picking a scapegoat and sticking to it...

I've been impressed by Vlasic. In a poor and static team at least he has a go and runs with the ball; if some of the others made decent runs off him then his end product might be better.

Who still thinks Moshiri is a pushover?

Surely that'd be a worthy move.

There are only 7 points between us and Watford in 6th place.

Well over half the season to go, that's well clawabackable.

Any team the with resources could win the Premier League!

Man City! Man Effing City! Who the hell were they before the cash? Sean Goater was their legend! Chelsea even. Small club in west London!

Just when we've cleared out the deadwood who will a new manager want to clear out? I'd say Pickford Keane Coleman baines (for now) gana vlasic lookman, sig, Rooney Davies lookman and dcl are safe. Everyone else could be gone.

So another complete rebuild of the squad which means we're miles away from top 4. The last 3 months have been so bad for this club.

Unless someone like anceloti can gel the current lot and get them playing better attaxking football and it turns out to be koeman who was holding them back. Actually no idea which is it

Since 2002, we're now a richer club with a better if unbalanced squad.

This reminds me of when Spurs hired their current manager. They'd struggled with a raft of signings and had the players from about 3 different managerial reigns. Sound familiar?

We need someone to come in and fix the system, get the youth players firing and manage the likes of Barkley, Davy, Sandro and Keane to their full potential. It doesn't have to be a name, it can be from left field. I don't care what their nationality is. They cannot be given more and more money. We don't need a facelift. We mostly have the personnel and more coming down the line with Kenny and Dowell.

But they have to be able to manage with what they have and get the optimum out of that. Neither our last two managers were able to do that and probably got by courtesy of Lukaku, Barkley and the defence. That is why we have an eccentric squad and have witnessed so many abject runs in the last 3 seasons.

There is a lot to be positive about but what the board now do is crucial. If they get this right, we could be in the top group within 18 months. Get it wrong, and we would have become like so many of the other clubs who fritter away millions on players and managers that we, before now, were happy not to be.

This isn't a quick fix. This is a long term job. We need someone young, hungry and prepared to put big effort in on the training pitch. That is where we sort this mess out. We need a tracksuit manager to get these guys fit, because they are not fit, we need to run pressing drills and press as a team. We need drills to work out how to move the ball when we win it, we need to make these footballers play without thinking. We need to dramatically up the tempo.

Sure Dyche fits the above bill. But i'd rather see Unsworth in the short term, with a view to doing well and getting it long term. But I also want to see Silva or Tuchel. Anyone who can convince they can coach the side. There's players there. The answer is not to sell 15 and buy another 6. Let's work with what we have, get a striker in, get Funes fit, get Barkley fit and see what the new guy can make happen.

Going for Moyes wouldn't end well. We need to learn from the Kendall 2nd and 3rd spells that it doesn't work second time around.

Maybe its too early for Unsworth. I'd not like to see him go the way of Shakespeare as that would be the end of him at the club.

Someone who can organise a team. Even if that means Allerdyce, not attractive but would stop the rot that has spread.

The board have acted decisively and Everton FC are a big club and a very rich one with massive fan base so yes we have got the right to call for the best man for the job and for six million a year we should have no shortage of takers and for those fans running round screaming "relegation relegation " get a grip !!!

Thank you Moshiri... No nonsense!

Best thing is the new manager will get money to spend next year. Barkley will also possibly want to stay (who knows). I hope we get it right this time.

Top notch Spanish or Italian manager please!

We just need the right man at the helm.

Pochettino has worked wonders at Spurs since, and there's never a mention for Tim Sherwood. But I think if you want to draw a parallel with Spurs there is yet another one to be made.

The other parallels are the Bale / Lukaku sale. The splurge on players who the manager (ABV) could not get to gel. Then in came the youth coach (Sherwood) he didn't do much, but what he did do was bring through a load of kids and get them experienced, then Pochettino came in and was able to get hold of Spurs with Kane and co already in the first team.

So in my eyes, Sherwood did play a (Small) role in Spurs resurgence. So, maybe Unsworth will not work out, but perhaps he can transition the club for the next manager by getting those group of highly talented kids into the first team and giving them something to build on.

I would say Unsworth has achieved more than Sherwood did at U23s, that we have more quality in terms of numbers, but perhaps not a Harry Kane quality player. Who knows how good Calvert-Lewin will be. He's got everything bar the finishing, and we're all just praying that the finishing and goals suddenly comes (like it suddenly did for Kane) and then he doesn't stop.

Or we do shit and results stay the same, in which case we get out the bat-phone and call up Big Sam.

Or results pick up dramatically and we give him until the end of the season and then give it him full-time in the summer.

I have always maintained we have a decent squad, although it could be argued we have got too many similar position players. The correct blend will see confidence restored, and hopefully the results will too.

Koeman's Blueprint for success, has turned out to be a Brownprint for failure.

Does anyone know whether Steve Walsh has escaped the sack, and I assume all Koeman's gang will have departed too?

Of course, it's only the start of hopefully a recovery and getting the right person/team in over the next few weeks is crucial. Let Unsworth run with it for the time being. These are good players if motivated and given direction under a tactically aware manager, and win, lose or draw over the next few week - it couldn't have got any worse.

A top drawer replacement will be needed - and hopefully not just the usual suspects either. No going back to Moyes, please - his race is run and hopefully he'll give Scotland a go. Rafa would actually do a reasonable job - but the 'small club" comment still sticks in my throat. Can we aim higher than a 'keep 'em up' expert like Alladyce, please.

Is this a chance to get Barkley back on side? Hopefully. Here's hoping our season starts to kick-start now.

What concerns me about Dyche is that he's a good manager at this moment in time but the PL history is littered with managers who had one or two good seasons. Burley, Curbishley etc.

'Pep Guardiola - no way, even dropped points to us, the twat'.

I don't know who the new appointment will be, though I'd be astonished if it's Moyes and srurpirised if it's Unsworth or Allardyce. The strategic choice is whether to apoint short term survival (Dyche possibly best bet), or longer term prospects. Either way they've got a fight on thier hands until the window opens.

I was making that comparison (Lukaku/Bale).

I'm concerned we'll go for the obvious choice. I would like to see a young exciting coach, tactically astute who gets that extra effort and fight from the players.

Whoever gets the job we need to get behind him and help in the process of turning the season around.

Just as every cloud has a silver lining and it was great news, for me, hearing Koeman has been given his comics, I feel also that every silver lining has a cloud, and Moyes would be a fuckin' pitch black one.

I feel fucking sad we've had our trousers pulled down yet again by someone who doesn't give a sh1t. Millions wasted once again, frigging laughing stock

No knee jerks, let people take charge who understand the DNA of the club for the short term at least

Yes, the Moyes media fuelled self-fulfilling prophecy has to stop right now. That would be the end of it for me

For those who think this isn't a relegation fight, we have 8 points from 9 games, 5 of them at home - 'relegation fight' is exactly what it is, and our form would have to be spectacular to change that situation before Christmas. We're down there with Stoke and Bournemouth, both of whom were gutted not to get an arguably deserved victory at Goodison. Some turn around required, but I think we all believe we've got the players to do it - McCarthy and Barkley being two of them.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/everton-axe-falls-on-ronald-koeman-after-16-months-in-charge

Let's at least get behind Unsworth for now and hope he turns it around immediately. I want Tuchel but I'm pretty sure there is a huge rift between expectations on both sides.

Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Funes, Baines, Davies, Schneiderlin (last season's model!), Gueye, McCarthy, Bolasie, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Klaassen (Ajax version), Barkley, Lookman, Vlasic, Rooney, Calvert-Lewin, Onyekuru.

Is there really not an eleven from that lot, or even Dowell, Garbutt, Galloway, Connolly, Beni Bang'emin, Anthony Gordon, Gibson, Pennington, Bowler etc who can be promoted from the youth ranks (or recalled from loan).

Some top manager is going to find that a bit of hard work could pay off big time and catapult him to the promised land. Surely someone like Silva will be licking his lips thinking he has a real chance with a group of players like that. Sure we can use a striker, a pacy winger, a centre-half, but the guy will be told there will be money to spend. This is a more than a "keep them up" job, and it's still only October. We could win on Wednesday, we could win a few in a row in the league and get up to 7th in no time, we could win and qualify in the Europa League. Anything is possible. We just need a leader we can get behind. Let's be positive blues.

Please don't ruin a belatedly good story by going anywhere near Allerdyce. He was a thug as a player, a crook as a manager and his teams mirror him.

We may have been in a relegation fight if RK had stayed but I do not believe we are now. 29 games left and though we have been woeful we are only 5 points behind the shite! Beat Leicester and Watford and all talk of relegation is gone.

Nobody has experience until they get it and everyone has a first appointment. Surely now is the time to see if unsy is up to it. If he isn't then we still have over half a season to sort it out. How many tomes have we called on young players to be given a chance, let's give unsy the next 6-10 games guaranteed and then see where we sit.

Coyb

Well said!

And there's been a lot of "but WHO could we get in to do better..." comments. And the simple answer for the short term, at least, is: "Just about anyone with both some basic knowledge of football, as well as a flexible mind"!

Koeman insisted on using the same failed formation, match after match, but with ever-varying player selections. Maybe his formation might have worked out in the end, but no players had any chance to get to know each other well enough for that.

Then a friend rang me and told me about Koeman and I haven't stopped smiling since.

#RhinoIn

Out of the frying pan .

I've been critical of Koeman from a few months into his reign, but as that wound has now been cauterised it seems redundant carping on about it. However, in my opinion, the rapid descent into calamity shouldn't be laid solely at his dreary, unwelcoming door.

Steve Walsh should, at the very least, be finding his own position under severe scrutiny right now. He blagged himself a cushy Director of Football role on the back of a hit and miss scouting career buffed up on ridiculous hype from a few of his more recent finds enjoying a season of barnstorming form. How the fuck does a PE teacher past, schlepping shite around Newcastle and Hull, followed by a large slice of fairytalesque luck and a liking for stats, make him a suitable fit for the pivotal task of shaping the future on-field direction of a footballing institution?

In May, when asked if he had full control over which players they would look to sign for the first team, Koeman said he did not but that he had 'input' ("Full control, no, I cannot control all the players I want. We speak about the players who will make the team stronger. Last week I said we need more players and more scoring players than we have right now"). A few weeks later Walsh is saying he doesn't have the final say on signings and has to get the nod off Koeman before a new player can be brought in. He just has 'input'.

Conflicting messages from the top and people wonder why an expensively assembled squad ended up a confused mess.

A large part of the problem with the whole Director Of Football/Head Coach dynamic is that there too often fails to be a clear demarcation between the two roles when it comes to the construction of a first-team dynamic.

We seem to have ended up with a hodge podge of wickedly overpriced, humdrum, 'talent', some of whom we're led to believe were brought in after being bigged up by Walsh (Gueye, Lookman, Bolasie) and others who were clearly corralled on the basis of familiarity to Koeman (Stekelenburg, Schneiderlin, Martina, Klaassen), with little thought given to whether the loose parts would all gel together.

Can contrasting ideas and/or compromise really be conducive to the formation of a coherent team?

It's the same with the slavish adherence to statistical data serving as a sign post to which players the club should spunk their wedge on. It's all well and good saying, "Wow, this guy made the 3rd most interceptions in the entire league... during the period Oct to Feb", or " This guy ran like fuck with a really red face much further than anyone else in his position managed to run with comparable crimson cheeks", and then thinking that's enough reason to recruit them all. How about giving equal consideration to whether they could possibly compliment each other and the players already at the club?

The signing of Vlasic doesn't exactly cover Walsh and his gang in glory either. Here we have a supposed 'super scout' with talent spotting networks set up all over the globe and a database the length of Dirk Diggler's dong, yet after a full year in the job the best he can come up with as the clock ticks down on the transfer window is to take a punt on some kid who put on a semi-decent show against us over two legs a couple of weeks back? What if Vlasic hadn't played in either of those Europa qualifiers? Would he be lining up for Everton right now? Would he fuck.

I am sure the team will play better for Unsy and as for a permanent manager, none of the names mentioned do it for me so I hope it is someone I have never heard of then I can think - this should be interesting.

How many of those voters do you believe are Everton fans? 75% are probably LFC fans hoping we'll take Moyes back, so we'll stay worse than them...

Put him in as caretaker but immediately start searching for a new manager because Unsworth isn't the answer.

Of course if Unsworth isn't a short term success we really will then be fooked, so appointing Unsworth on anything other than a very short term caretaker is a recipe for failure as well as a huge gamble. In the position we are in we need an experienced manager. Benitez for me.

As for Walsh's long list of finds, don't forget Drogba and his list of players he got for Chelsea.

I simply do not know how good Walsh is, or just how much he is to blame for the current mess. The proof is in the eating, and let's see what happens in the next two windows.

Edit: john - you do know Bolasie was signed by Lukaku don't you, at his request, as part of a deal to give it one more year!

I don't believe the players were playing for Koeman their demeanour showed this , I CANT believe they are that bad ? Koeman failed on many levels but mostly on man management. Todays modern players need to be "loved" having never worked a proper job or struggled to pay a bill its hard to get them to give a shit as is ,tough love doesnt do it anymore I feel

I don't think we should knee jerk , we should not fear Leicester are going to get our man. Time for cool heads , Give the Rhino a chance and lets see how things unfold maybe the stars are aligning

Cannot believe Moyes name is being mentioned even by Press

Will we be able to attract a good manager with that position existing at the club? Can Walsh work with a manager set on controlling which players get bought for the first team?

I only follow Everton, so how does that work outside our club? I assume a lot of you have been paying more attention to the greater world of football...

Just hearing Osman also saying Moyes is the best man for the job! God help us!!

I do agree that it was time to move into the 21st Century and the system of Moyes negotiating the terms was too 1970s.

As to the role itself, there's different types. There's the American "General Manager" type role whereby this guy does everything the manager typically does but pick the side and coach the team.

Then there is the scout type, who merely gives a list to the manager who confirms who he wants and then a team of negotiators (see agents) then thrash out the terms. The Manager remains in control.

There are other types as well but it starts to get a bit technical with "back-office" stuff. I believe we used the latter rather than the former, and there was no doubt that Koeman was in charge and had the final say.

If he does well, there is no reason why top players won't come to us.

If they truly believe they are coming to an ambitious club, who are in, or near the CL positions, and who are willing to pay them well, they will come. It has nothing to do with the manager.
In this day and age, if you hadn't noticed, it's all to do with success and ££££.

Offer success and the right amount of ££££ and it wouldn't matter if Mickey Mouse was the manager and Popeye owned the club - "if you build it - they will come".

It feels like emerging from the dark into the light, rubbing my eyes in bewilderment, confused which way to turn but happy that I can look forward.

I was just plain miserable watching Everton under Koeman. Despite my protestations he got another season because even though the football was doleful the results were not.

With that removed, laid bare was a fella who without a goal machine, which would embellish any managers cause, he was without any worthwhile ideas.

Unsworth has no down side short term. A placeholder of unknown value. He might take the opportunity with both hands, if not then we appoint from outside.

Just feels so much better right? Finally I feel excited about my blue boys once again.

Like two sides of the same shit coin, one publicly stated we where a small club and the other acted it.

Unbelievable

So Koeman had his say for the first team, even for picking what targets Walsh should go for? That sounds reasonable, from a manger's point of view.

I wonder if it works the same for the Uxx squads?

Anyway, if Koeman was really calling the serious shots for who to bring in, then I have no problem with Walsh (except for his success rate...). And we've brought in a lot of good young players for the Uxx's that has had their parent clubs howling in pain...

Ancellotti would be my first choice but Tuchel and Mancini would also be acceptable. Fonseca as an outsider would be interesting.

If Jim White doesn't know all we can do is speculate and wait.

• The team is in a mess / unbalanced / no recognised striker.
• Confidence is shot to pieces.
• No clearly defined system of play.

To me, this suggests our greatest need is an organiser.

I'm not advocating bringing DM back – but that was the type of job he did when he stabilised the club 15 years ago. We need someone of similar ilk.

I doubt any elite level manager would come here right now given the current state of the team / squad.

And simply flashing the cash only attracts mercenaries like RK.

Nobody immediately springs to mind but an interim appointment may be needed to steady the ship.

(Dyche is the favourite on Paddy Power).

On a positive note, I'm encouraged that Moshiri had acted so decisively.

I think sacking the 'Dutchman' was vital. Let's keep it 'in house' and go with 'Unsy', and 'ffs' lets start climbing the table.

Also the way he has destroyed Barkley in public is out of order should always do that behind closed doors.

Anyway Koeman is gone time to look forward. Not sure who is available out there. I'd give Unsworth the job until Christmas at least and see how he does, I love rhino and he doing wonders with the under 23's if anyone deserves a chance it's him.

BIG Sam could get us out of trouble come Xmas if Unsworth messed up and get us some good players in as well with the odd bung here and there to clinch the right player 😂

They already know and probably have the last couple of weeks.

No, but I did hear 'being Lukakuless' was defo the main stumbling block when a pre Everton Steve Walsh wanted to bring Bolasie to Leicester.

What I hope we don't do is go for the predictable, mediocre appointment. Choosing a "safe pair of hands" and a manager who has demonstrated over time that they'll do OK but never take a team to the next level. That's your Moyes, Allardyce, etc.

The natural response of the board might be for the "safe" option. I believe that the only way that we'll truly move forward is if we take the risky option. Either by pushing hard for a manager who might be considered outside of our reach (Ancelotti, even Tuchel). Or by going for an internal hire like Unsworth.

My personal option would be Ancelotti with Unsworth as a #2, with a view to taking over in three years. That's not taking into account how realistic it would be; but we should be looking beyond just what's the easy choice.

We need someone who make us enjoyable to watch again. Martinez was decent in patches, but that lasted only a few months. Koeman was dull for the whole of his tenure, there is nothing worse than watching defensive football and STILL losing games.

I don't know if there is anyone who can turn this around without a striker though, someone else needs sacking for that particular dereliction of duty.

Anchelotti would be my shout, but not sure if he can turn this steaming pile of horse shit into a side that can stay up. So many issues in this team - left back, right back, left centre back, centre mid, left winger, strikersssssss .

Tuchel for me all day but I'm sure Moshiri has a much bigger list than mine when he made the decision to let rk go.

:)

Re comments about Vlasic. Perhaps it would be good to see him in his more natural position upfront rather than midfield where he has been played occasionally before having a pop at him.

But I really don't want him to get the taint of our current plight stuck on him! I really hope he'll turn out to be our manager in the future, but he's currently only preparing for that leap! Don't ruin his future, as he will NOT be able to say no to Everton at any time; even (especially) at as bad a time as this is, and as unprepared as he currently is!

The more you look at the present situation and the make up of the squad you realise how much long term damage Koeman and Walsh have caused.

Thomas Tuchel is the most interesting name for me . Be good to know if he was interested .

Yuck!

I'm not a big fan of Giggs, as for him to pretending to be a decent person, but that might be hard to tell... I still feel we need decent people at our Club to be taken seriously!

Now why the fuck are sky asking for Carra's opinion? Do our former players opine about their managerial prospects (what is it, 7 in 10 years?) every time they sack someone?

If Jim White is such a big mate of Moshiri then he should show some more respect.

Chosing the next manager is very tricky because I can pick holes in every one of the leading candidates.
Whoever has a say who that man is needs to get this right, or we are right up the Kyber.

Are there no holes to pick in any of the current Top 4 managers? And are they all alike?

Maybe we just need to carefully pick one manager that fits us (never mind the warts that one exposes when seen from other team's expectations...)?

Ancelotti and Tuchel are the managers we should get. I think the managers we realistically can get, are Dyche, Silva or Fonseca.

Ancelotti and Unsworth = Dream Team.

Last night I was thinking that Koeman could use this week for more training, as he always complained about not having enough time. Meanwhile he could have let Unsworth take the Chelski game, as they are expected to play a young team. So Unsworth could take young first team players and augment them with a few U23s, whilst having other U23s on the bench. I was going to post that thought on the Chelski thread, but Koeman's sacking has encouraged me to write it sooner.

They also say this, "Former Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel may also be looked at, having left the German club in the summer, while David Moyes' name has been similarly mentioned, but the Independent has been told he is not currently considered a desired candidate."

And I'm definitely going to be tempering my excitement until I see who the actual replacement is. For what it's worth, I agree 100% with Steve Ferns - we need someone who'll be hands-on with the squad and get stuck-in on the training pitch. Not Ancelotti or Pelligrini, who'd basically fill out the lineup card, then fold his arms and go to sleep on the bench.

I do wonder if this paves the way for Barkley staying. I'm all for it, though I do suspect the love affair would last until, oh, about halftime of his first match and then he'd start getting slated on here again.

I'd like to believe if Moshiri was in sole charge the axe might have swung earlier, with Bill's influence and proud Everton values of giving a manager time, maybe thats why it took longer.

I don't buy that Moshiri would hold off just prove he was right as it was his pick. Successful people are ruthless not stupid.

Ironic that would be sacked in an act of pragmatism.

Then for some pragmatism and reality in whom is brought in as FT manager.

Surely now the lowest point since Walter Smith and Mike Walkers stint has been passed, and the squad can start with a clean slate.

Fresh hope, we've all been here before, but let's hope this time is the real deal and a manager who gets EFC and what it means.

Too many number 10s

Need to replace Lukaku

No formation

No pace

No width

Why only now can they see it ?! My choice would be Rhino until Xmas and look to appoint from there! I'm sure by picking a balanced team we have enough to be up to about 10th by Christmas then pick the right man from there!
If there was a clear out then how much would Klassen, Siggy and Keane be worth now ?

So nothing is really known, as all should know by now!

Papers will sell, salaries will be paid to 'journalists'...

A few fans above are being holier than thou about never wanting to see a man sacked but if ever there was a candidate for a good sacking it was this one. Lost me with the Lukaku comments about this time last year and has bored me with his football ever since.

So I don't feel Ryan Giggs would ever care more for our Club than he does for his constantly wayward pet woodpecker. And we don't need that sort of person at our Club!

Surely!

Brendan Rodgers
Gary Neville (with Phil as assistant)
Louis Van Gal
David Moyes
Roy Keane (with Gigs as assistant)
Slaven Bilic
Gareth Southgate
Avram Grant

I have seen quite a few 'Stand up Comedians' but Brian Hennessy doesn't come to mind.

Keane just said the players really were to blame, not RK.

I read that, but I also wondered how any of the players could be so deluded as to only blame themselves! We have seen the players really try, but there was no sensible formation for them to act within! No pace in the midfield, no truly wide players for the fullbacks to utilize on a regular basis, no towering striker (as RK's tactics seemed to presume would be there...)!

A lack of sensible tactics utilizing the available players in their 'good' positions, combined with a failure to empathize with the Evertonian fan-base, is what brought RK down in the end

Decision followed.

Koeman never flavour of the month with BK. He was MoshIri's man. Gives the lie to conspiracy theorists about BK's role at the club. He has some influence but not the power behind the throne. Figurehead in Moshiri's absence in Monaco. Moshiri pulled the trigger.

When RK appointed he wanted all first team staff gone. BK stuck out for DF. DF not Mr Popular at the club.

If FM is a genuine businessman he will have had discussions about/with replacements. Given three games in eight days wouldn't expect an appointment announced until after/ immediately prior to Watford at the earliest. Two-week gap to next game due to international break.

Dortmund top of BL. Why would Tuchel move? Ancelloti and Mancini are not renowned coaches and we badly need one to organise our back seven for starters.

Not fair to ask that of Unsworth. U23s great to watch but not sure about defensive solidity. Maybe as coach alongside ANO with a feel for defensive organisation.

Big Sam spoke well about the challenge on MNF a couple of weeks ago. Liked his approach last season when, after difficult early results, he said that if the players bought into what he asked for it would turn around.

Dortmund may be top of the Bundesliga BUT Thomas Tuchel is no longer their Coach. Departed in May this year.

We have a team that struggles to score more than 1 goal irrespective of the opposition and concedes goals for fun. I don't know about which manager we might get in as Houdini might not save us from relegation.

So I hope the fans will have reasonable expectations of what the new man can achieve before the next window opens in Jan. I know some will say we finished 7th last year, but the players playing in the side now are not the ones playing last year.

Dyche, gee he sounds like another Dutchman. A manager who would need to wear a space suit to work if he came to breathe the rarified air of a club like Everton.

Its time for our esteemed leaders to stick their fingers in the porous dyke and stop our magnificent, historical and ground breaking club from slipping into the sea. New stadium, uncle Tom Cobley and all.

The board did the right thing and dropped the curtain on this chancer. I didn't see that coming, I thought they'd drag it out. Glad to be wrong on that.

Onwards and upwards.. the new manager has a lot of talent at their disposal, and also a lot of confidence to build up.

Problem solved, mate. The players will fly up the league table now. Watch them go.

Paulo Fonseca option last time around but chose RK instead wants to manage in prem (pep says Shaktar best team around) good win rate.

Luis Enrique dream on.

Like I said, Pep Guardiola seems to be a fan of his, and if anyone likes to build football-playing sides, as opposed to backs-to-the-wall-they-shall-not-pass outfits, that man is Guardiola.

Overall, I wouldn't be disappointed if Fonseca was appointed, but I'd still prefer someone with a more proven record, especially in the Premier League. His compatriot Silva obviously springs to mind, in spite of his short time over here, but surely he's not leaving Watford at this stage.

Things are unlikely to change overnight, so all those putting up the bunting now Koeman has gone, are quite likely to be in for a bit of a comedown.

This team of misfits needs a lot more than a new manager.

There are very few who can satisfy the above and it will take time to find him. Marco Silva may the one but it is very early days for him at Watford. Also, Watford are conceding a few. Don't forget how well Bobby did with us at first. I think we need to wait until at least the end of the season before considering Silva.

Lots of names have been mentioned, I am not really convinced about any of them. Each (other than Ginger) seem to have their pluses. It may be that we do indeed need to appoint a short term manager to steady the ship and help us prepare for the step up that so desperately want and need.

To me it makes sense to have Rhino takeover for the short term only with reassurances given about his future. David gets Everton because he is a fan and he would be warmly welcomed by the supporters. It would be great experience for him and I really can't seem him making matters worse. It would be good to provide support in the shape of Joe Royle assuming Joe wants it. I Aldo think I would trust that pairing more with the Jan transfer kitty than anyone else at the moment.

Then, hopefully we will be in better shape to attract a top class manager that will take us up to the next level.

Once we see hope on the horizon, we care again!

My Everton me says it's all false hope, my deeply buried positivist says "whoopeee!".

Aaargh, die you false hope, die! (smacks it with a spade, again and again! And once more for daring to raise its hopeful head...)

(providing he can get through customs)

In their place you have bought two central defenders with the worst record in twelve competitive games I can remember. A lazy and already failed midfielder (at Spurs) a useless centre forward in Sandro Ramirez and Morgan Shniederlin!!!!!

I don't think you can have any complaints about getting the push.
Mr. Moshiri and Bill, please listen to your fan base before spunking any more dosh on a manager that doesn't get Everton and it's fabulous history.

Identifying those things should whittle the shortlist down.
My preference would be for the club to identify a house style - e.g pressing, playing with width and fast counters and a mobile CF-that will allow the Director of footy to buy that sort of player for the future and then find a manager who produces that sort of footy.

Pelligrini for me with Unsworth as asst manager

Problem is, he's probably earning a small (Hebei China) fortune over there...

Ok, (as Ronald used to say) , we will get a striker in January, but he'll need 2-3 months to fire. We've lost this season completely, perhaps best about 10th. Then the same issue about attracting quality players, with no European football, no chance of even getting close to Top 6 for a season or so. No chance of attracting a real top manager, who will want CL football we can't give him.

Losing Lukaku will cost this club about 2-3 years hardship at least, players like him are gold dust and we've lost our main chance of getting into any Top 4-6 places.

Question is how long will Moshiri give it, Bramley Dock, watch it go on the back-burner.

Any at all that will stabilize us between 7th and 17th places for a few seasons whilst the club "Grows" in value.,"...what sort of footy does the owner want to see?"

Any at all that will stabilize us between 7th and 17th places for a few seasons whilst the club "Grows" in value.,,,1,20:48:18,,81.108.253.187,ok,19747,10/23/2017 20:48:18,Overdrive,reader,, 862781,35700,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,Rick Pattinson,cliteastwood2002@hotmail.com,Doesn't klinsmann need a job???. What do you lot think?,Doesn't klinsmann need a job???. What do you lot think?,,,1,20:48:19,,81.129.244.4,ok,12943,10/23/2017 20:48:19,rickotine,reader,, 862782,35694,toffeeweb,23/10/2017,James McPherson,michael.nolan3@btinternet.com,"Christine (5), can you definitively state the reasons why Barkley wants to go? My understanding which is in the public domain, is that the club offered him an extremely lucrative contract and wanted him to stay. They gave him a whole season to agree and sign. They were transparent and said that he was to sign before the season closed. With advice from his agent he declined that offer and wants to play elsewhere. That's him gone in my mind. Even if the reasons you state wee substantiated, allowing players to dictate who manages EFC is the thin end of the wedge. If a player wants to go for the reasons you say then that's his entitlement. But having made his decision to leave EFC that's that.

"We need someone to take us to the next level" - do you mean 4th from bottom and out of the relegation spots?

"we have some really good players" - erm no we don't - we have one or two (Pickford, Coleman and ), the rest are very average and the table shows that.

"he didn't have a clue but the next manager will have the same problems" - bang on. This group just isn't good enough and we can't do anything about it until at least January, but more likely the summer as why would teams let their best players go in the middle if the season?

Although Koeman is culpable, in no way should he be viewed as alone in this. There are lots of fingerprints on this - coaching staff, all the players, the board (they signed the cheques), even us fans (the atmosphere has been awful both home and away for ages). Essentially I take no pleasure in the dismissal of a manager because it simply means that collectively we've failed.

Bottom line is that there'll be no quick fix so let's not get ahead of ourselves and instead steel ourselves for a long, hard slog.

I'm in the Unsworth camp. Think about it - we have Holgate, Kenny, Davies, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin, Dowell (who's impressing for Forest) all who have worked with Unsworth and will probably run through brick walls for him.

They're our future so get a manager in who they trust and respect and who has already instilled a winning mentality into them all.

You never know - Barkley might just sign again as well!!!!

Obvious task number one, but well beyond him, was to act professionally without talking crap in public and upsetting things. He was a clown and whatever else was working in the club was always going to be compromised by him.

You missed the admin staff, cleaners, programme sellers, staff in the Winslow.

Regarding next manager and the immediate future - I do agree that it might not be a quick fix getting performances and results out of a team bereft of confidence and depth in certain positions. But we have treated one of the core issues in RK so hopefully we can reverse the damage, given time.

I'm not clamouring for Allardyce necessarily (though bottom 3 still by January and I will!), but I do believe he is a better football manager than some of you guys give him credit for. His record at getting under-performing teams organised and hard to beat can't be questioned. And I think at Newcastle and West Ham he probably couldn't get them where he wanted because right from the get-go a significant number of fans were against him and his style. Just my opinion.

For the other candidates I also feel Moyes would be a big step backward. I'm not sure about Mancini - his Man City weren't always that great even though he had massive resources. And Pellegrini to a lesser extent. We've usually had decent results against Man City haven't we? Dyche could be decent, never know until he makes the step up in terms of a club with higher expectations.

Unsy (with Joe Royle maybe?) to Xmas and see how we go. Rest of the season if results are improved. Unsy can always move back to U23 coach if we then go for someone permanent, don't let him be a Craig Shakespeare!

And make sure the next permanent boss has performance-related clauses in the contract. Like poor form/results over a defined period means a vastly reduced compensation payout!! We've been burned by Bobby & Ron so if it's possible to implement it, we should.

I voiced my opinion after Moyes and Martinez. My personal choice/favourite was not selected but at the time I was happy with who the board appointed. After all, the decision lies with them and all we can do as fans is speculate and debate our personal choices. The board knows who and what they are looking for and what direction they want to take the club so let's just hope they make a wise decision.

But I just want to suggest a name which possibly has not been mentioned and this is a bit tongue in cheek and I would be interested to see what reaction fellow Evertonians think as this person certainly has his lovers and haters amongst us Evertonians. It is not Rafa but a current playing Blue Boy!

I suspect the board shall look for a big name ( as much as I would like to see Rhino get the job, I feel he shall just have a caretaker role) So I wonder if they would CONSIDER Rooney as player/manager!

FM and BK ( plus the board) re-signed him as a player and although we can all see he is not the same Rooney as before I wonder if he has even considered management when his playing days are over which is not too far away.

We brought him back as an "emotional signing" well as of today the goal-posts have changed ( with Koeman gone). The board must see some value
( not just to sell shirts) in having him back so he cannot be a complete liability.

Finally, for those who are still reading and not still rolling on the floor in fits of laughter remember a certain Howard Kendall was re-signed as a player/manager and he did not do too bad plus look across the park and they did the same with Dalglish. I understand totally different times and football has moved on. In fact, I cannot remember the last any top club appointed a player/manager.

As I have previously said, this is just tongue in cheek and please do not take it too seriously! Let's leave that to the board.

He's doing such a great job with the youth team that to take him away could be counter-productive. I would hate to see him fail and therefore lose him from the club set-up entirely.

Let's make him caretaker manager on an on-going basis with the security of knowing that he can go back into the under-23 set-up if things don't go to plan.

One thing is for sure, he's able to bring through young players with fire in their belly who play with a natural confidence. And we certainly need a coach rather than a hands-off type of manager.

There needs to be a full post mortem on the workings at the club. Who was responsible for the club's transfer policy - selling and buying players and identifying and assessing transfer targets? Most of the signings have terrible.

Martinez was criticised for wasting £13 million on Niasse, so who's to blame for wasting up to £154 million on the likes of Stelkenburg, Williams, Schneiderlin, Keane, Martina, Klassen, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Lookman and Ramirez? They can't have been all Koeman's targets? Equally, who agreed and authorised the sale of Stones, Lukaku, Cleverley, Deulofeu and Barry without having adequate replacements brought in? Surely, Walsh, Kenwright and Elston are equally culpable and should go too?

These people are just flavour of the month. None of us really know what any of them are like as coaches. More likely than not to come in and fail just as the last two have done. Might as well just give it to Unsworth, at least he understands the fans and will get them organised (incidentally, that's also what I said 16/17months ago).

Can't be done with these flavour of the month types, they're too stubborn with their style of play, and once they get found out everyone knows how to play against them. It's just too easy. Just need someone who can get them organised. Solid foundations (i.e. not 1-0 down after ten minutes every week with an uphill battle to climb), hard to beat at home.

Other contributors have grasped this - I had stated that Koeman was culpable - but just not alone.

The point is that there is a deep malaise at the club that extends way beyond just Koeman and therefore if anyone thinks swapping him out for A N OTHER will solve the problem, then they're deluded and just setting themselves up for more disappointment. We could get the best manager in the world but unless they have the right tools (players, coaches and recruitment) and support then they'll struggle.

Plenty has to change for us to be successful - not just the manager. Good players (and for that good recruiters and recruitment is necessary) would be a fine start - but that isn't going to happen quickly. As I said, we need to accept we're in this for the long haul. And that might just undermine attempts to recruit that top class manager.

Fits us, what does that mean exactly? Look how many diferent suggestions have been made.
First priority is to get us up the table, I'm not bothered how its done, just win games.

Unless we have top 6 quality players though there's no manager that's going to make us a super team, yes some managers are better than others but its the players that have to perform on the pitch to get the results.

Talking about fits, I don't think Koeman fits any club on the planet!

Firstly, anyone of those top names we can think of will demand full control of football matters, and that probably means Walsh will have to adapt or ship out. The manager is unlikely to want interference from BK or perhaps demand more direct support from Moshiri, which can only mean that BK and his gang will no longer as much say in it.

While this is definitely difficult to imagine at the moment, I cannot imagine Moshiri wanting to deal with football matters much more than he does now. Hire a good one and let the system sort itself out. And that makes me think he will try to go for top names who can reshape the system we have. Whether he gets them or not will depend on his desire to make us a winning side.

I remain optimistic about Moshiri, though regardless of who we get, changies at the top and on the field will take time and put us through a lot of pain.

"There are lots of fingerprints on this - coaching staff, all the players, the board (they signed the cheques), even us fans."

All coaching staff? All players? All board members? That's some guesswork or some inside knowledge. I see your point but just over-stated maybe?

The statement from the club read “the board and the major shareholder...” which is not great. Mori soho has become the money man and Kenwright is still running the club. Nothing will change whilst that's the case.

I wonder if we'll see some other changes in the not too distant future - may be at board level?

BUT .it's actually a scary thread to read this and no mistake. Because now it's actually happened we are taking stock of the mess and realising just how bad things are. The squad is not going to be improved until January and then frankly I don't see the highest quality striker or strikers arriving. But we can improve on what we have now. Similarly the defence is a terrible mess. Pickford bring the exception. But how in January do we replace Williams and Jags and cover Mori's long term absence? Keane needs help, urgently, he's really not looking the answer right now but who else is there ?

I can't quite believe that we have gone from June and the excitement felt then, to now. It's not just the team either. New stadium ? Can't see that being as positive as planned as frankly nobody saw us as relegation fighters? Financially we still need those loaning the dosh to see us as a good risk and the LA's previous bullish guarantor stance must be taking a huge hit right now as the risk looks a lot less comfortable all of a sudden ? Cue a delay signing build contracts until end of May next year when the future looks clearer ?

No idea who they will appoint. I don't think Moshiri knows. His man has crashed and burnt and pride will have taken a massive knock. But yet again the club has gone backwards. I don't understand the calls to sack Walsh even tho he is in my view st least 30% to blame for this mess. But if they go for a less proven manager then Walsh and his network will be crucial in getting people to sign for this club. Plus, we are going to take a big hit financially as all thought of Moshiri ploughing in a hundred million net has disappeared for me following the summer window. So, there will be need to be some loss making sales and smaller, clever investment by Walsh. He looks like he's getting a last chance to me and 30 days in January is it.

Meanwhile one of my all time fave blues, Rhino, plus the under stated but I think clever coach that is Ebbrell, are going to be trusted to get us thru a few games, possibly more, and it could just be a relegation saver because if we keep losing then we will be going under by Christmas and the return of Coleman, Bolasie and who knows, Ross B, plus new signings will face a nightmare to recover. Yet this league is so competitive with so few points needed to make a difference, who knows, edge a few wins, be solid, have the fans doing a dogs of war thing .

RK: Ah, so you've seen sense and changed your mind

BK: Not at all Ron, you left your fucking red xmas tree behind and we'd be ever so grateful if you could call in to collect it.

Chapter 1 will be Chapter 1, however Chapter 2 will be Chapter 7, with Chapters 3,4 and 5 being Chapters 7,8 and 11. There will be no Chapter 9 but this will be become Chapter 10, 10 and another Chapter 10. There will be no introduction as he was on hols when this was required at the printers. Chapter 6 was left on the golf course as the information was too muddled for mere mortals to understand. The Chapters 12 to 14, will concern Walsh, BK and Why it was none of my fault. His next Book - Barca The Great Years has been put back, with no publishing date available at this time.

Really though I can't wait for the book.

First, instill some semblance of belief and desire back into this mentally shattered squad. That alone will be a massive undertaking. I think Unsworth is equipped to do this as he will concentrate on the basics in order to stabilize things on the pitch (i.e., identity, formation, structure, expectations, etc.). He already has the familiarity, respect, commitment and trust of the younger lads. He needs to use them as the basis to right the ship. Sit the underperformers (of which there are many to choose from) until they get their head on straight. If they can't or refuse to do so, plant them in the stands. We are at point now where only warriors willing to work their bollocks off will pull us out of this mess.

With luck (and Board commitment), we will find that striker we desperately need in January. Bolasie and Coleman will be back in the squad by that point. They won't be fully fit mind you but even at 75% fitness they will be miles better than what we have now in their respective positions. Coleman's competitiveness and leadership alone is worth it's weight in gold.

Who knows what will happen with Ross. He seems determined to leave but if there is a possibility to mend that fence, the club needs to do whatever it can and try. He's not perfect and yes he's ticked off many of the faithful with some of his antics but it's clear he and Koeman fell out and this has contributed to the uncertainty around his future. Bottomline, the lad possesses several of the qualities we are in desperate need of. A clean slate with a new gaffer might be what is needed to salvage the situation.

As important as last summer was supposed to be, next summer even more so. We cannot screw that up (again). We are rapidly aging and ill-equipped in key positions and these deficiencies MUST be addressed before the start of next season. That means Walsh (or whomever in charge of player transfers) need to pull their finger out and get on it now.

" I stand by my belief that collectively this squad isn't good enough (too slow, too old, lack of mobility, no determination, no killer instinct etc) to deliver the performances we crave".

If so, then we have a lot to do in the next few transfer windows. I'm a bit more optimistic about the squad. But, hey, who knows, we'll see.

"I read today that 4 out of our 5 defenders that started yesterday didn't make a single successful tackle in 90 minutes".

Wow, that's astounding if true.

I also think I read somewhere that Rooney is going to take his coaching courses in order to obtain these badges, but doesn't have them yet.

I believe, therefore, that would preclude him from being appointed as player manager, at this stage.

Koeman - dour, unadventurous, boring. (Moyes pretty much the same)
Martinez/Klopp - entertaining but lack substance, both clowns.
Mourinho - Schizophrenic!
Kendall/Pochetino - solid, with that touch of class.
Dyche - solid, but lacking the touch of class, so far.
Guardiola - All style, but does he have the stomach for a fight.
Clough/Ferguson/Shankly - Annoyingly effective winners.
Pulis/Allardyce- horrible!!
Marco Silva - Maverick.

So what do we want/need? Immediately, I think we need solid.

Longer term, I want that touch of class that Howard Kendall added to his solid foundation. The eye to spot Trevor Steven and Kevin Sheedy, whilst adding Peter Reid and Andy Gray to provide experience to his youthfully talented team. (Unfortunately, I believe Pochetino is the nearest to a modern Kendall, so that ship has sailed)

I really don't know who is the best longer term option. We've tried an entertainer who lacks substance after years of dour Davey, but we reverted back to type with Koeman. We need to find a manager who gives us that balance between solidity and entertainment, and unfortunately, I think the nearest to that, that may be available, is Benitez.

All day I have been swearing watching Sanchez cross it to Ozil for their 2nd goal. Our defenders were just standing there waiting for him to cross it.

The basics have gone out of the window.

I understand whenever an American posts, probably about 50% to 60% roll their eyes and think, "what the fuck does the Yank know?"

Regarding Jurgen Klinsmann, I know quite a bit.

If he is even interviewed the Club will be tainted.

He is the single worst manger I've ever witnessed in my "soccer" life. He continually chops and changes, there's no cohesion, and he is an absolute moron when it comes to any tactical aspect of the game.

He can come nowhere near this Club. He would preside over a relegated Everton I guarantee.

I would not even give the man a chance. From day one I'd call for his removal.

You people think David Moyes is bad? You haven't see a fucking thing until you watch a team you love managed by Klinsmann.

Dear God, no. Just no.

You are one masochist, Tony! Or an optimist - hoping that if you watched it often enough, he would miss.

Stay up, and save this season and get the players expressing themselves and playing naturally. For me square pegs in round holes and random buying has contributed to the total screw up in football terms this season.

This could only happen on this scale to our team. Even Spurs when they sold Bale, didn't do £150M, in transfers.
Will or can this board learn?

Now for the mission impossible but perhaps, a win at Chelsea.

Happier but still ready for the funny Farm, such is Everton, and what it does to impact life.

Hope eternal and total madness..

I assume its factually correct – it would certainly explain how they cut through us at will.

By the time Rooney scored, we could already have been 3 down!

The players will play for him, he coached 4 youngsters to a World Cup winners medal, 5 if you include Connelly and has already beaten the city and Chelsea under 23s who are stocked with Europe's finest.

Just give the guy a go and see how we do instead of jumping in head first, trying to get our new manager in, if it does not work out, personally I think Unsworth will get this team playing, this guy knows what it means to the fans and how to take on the big guns without setting up for a draw.

I honestly think we have a manager with a winning mentality and made up Unsworth has been given a chance.

Getting rid of Koeman was a necessary but insufficient condition for realising the ambition the club is supposed to have in this 'new era' with Moshiri.

Whatever the past, he is good at his job, he is a communicator and it would piss off a lot of our Red chums.

The scary thing is that it may continue the same way at least until January as they only have the same personnel to rely on.

So the 4 Dutch amigos have gone and we can only hope that the interim personnel and subsequent permanent boss will be able to bring in a system that restores confidence throughout the squad and soon.

A mass clearout is needed, both of the support staff and the playing staff, I have just read an article in the Echo which highlights we have enough players to have had a totally different team out last weekend and had spare players on top. the trouble is, I guess, that if we sell some of the players that have recently been added, we will recover nowhere like the money paid out, if the players will go, as they are likely as not , all on very well rewarded contracts. A mess.

Someone above said he was BK's snitch in the dressing room. Would he have a proper role with Unsworth, should he get the temporary job? So far it is hard to fathom what input he has.

In light of the predicament we are in; more or less out of the Europa League, probably ignoring the League Cup and in the drop zone with a team which has arguably put in the worst performances of any team in the PL it is imperative we steady the ship and get some basics back on board like passion and organisation.

I think it's the right time for Unsworth to step in for the short term because he knows his way round the players and the club and it would be an opportunity to at least give him until January, with an eye on Dyche to come in at a later date. Imagine him with more funds than at Burnley and (on paper at least) better players at his disposal combined with his PL experience.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken I would think Everton are in advanced talks with those who make up the options (surely we wouldn't simply sack and then start looking) so whoever will come in will also have the next transfer window to add to what we already have - remember what Moshiri said, transfer funds for him are like 'monopoly money'. Cash won't be an issue.

I think this could all be a blessing in disguise and I feel strangely optimistic and excited by it because the Koeman thing wore off very quickly. It's time for that passion, desire, belief to be instilled in the players and for that to be made visible on the pitch - an extension of the manager's true and authentic ethos so to speak and that is only possible with a manager who buys into the Everton spirit and who transmits simple, clear and easy to understand messages to his players because let's be honest and frank about it, losing is one thing but absolutely no idea, fight and passion is simply unacceptable.

The dress rehearsal has failed miserably so now the time has come for some serious business before it's too late and we all look back at yet another Everton false dawn and what could have been...

We as Evertonians get it, it's time those at the helm and the players did as well - NSNO!

So, in hope and belief, soon a new regime at coach level will start. Whom it will be,thats the question?

“What's Our Name? “ and on the ale, yes!” It can't get any worse. Skal!

Only Don Revie could in all history be worse. Possibly Sourness... Possibly Hitler.

I've championed him on here for years. But he's older now. He's lost his energy and spark. He's having a tough time at Lille.

But he won't come. One he doesn't speak English and there's no time to learn it. Two, he never breaks a contract. Don't give me Lazio, as he argues they broke it and so he had to resign. Unlike Ronnie, he resigned when the board didn't sign the particular players he asked for.

Silva – how's he a maverick? I see him as a young Pochettino. My preferred choice, but I'd rather have given him a season at Watford to prove he can sustain this.

Julian Nagelsmann – I'd never considered him, but just seen him in the frame for the Leicester job. I thought he was taking over Bayern at the end of the season. If he'd go to Leicester, then he'd come to us. And if so, it's no contest. Get the hottest managerial property in world football. Could be another AVB though.

Tuchel – a bit too Maverick, and didn't end well at Dortmund. I think he'd come for sure.

Dyche – really didn't want him. Read a bit more about him, watched a few of his press conferences, he has a lot more humour than I thought and he impressed me a lot in that. I'd be interested to see what happens, but still well down my list.

Ancelotti – would be amazing if he really does want the job, but looks to have lost his fire, doesn't coach so would need to bring someone like Clement in. Not for me really. He's got one eye on Milan and is on holiday for a year to wait for it.

Mancini - no thanks. Overrated in my Opinion. Record is boosted by endless pots of cash.

Moyes - yesterday's man. The ginger one is grey now. And like his hair, he's lost his fire.

Fonseca – went to Russia after failing and has rebuilt well. He wants the job. He knows who we are. So could be a positive. Still a gamble.

Pellegrini – Old, unwanted, but was a fine manager a few years back. His ship has sailed.

Howe - might be sacked, yet considered for us? How's that work?

Allardyce – already made it clear I despise him.

Benitez – I think he's s top manager. I really do. But he's always going to be associated with them. Maybe I can see past that, but first sign of trouble and that's all that we will say about him. He wouldn't last long as a result. That small club jibe still hurts.

If I was in charge I'd approach Fonseca, Silva, Nagelsmann, Tuchel and Ancelotti and see what they say. Meantime, Give Unsworth a chance to stake a claim. If one of those guys want the job, great, get them in. But if not wait some more, if Unsworth isn't doing well, then speak to Dyche.

I'd be speaking to the new manager in the interview about how we can change things With the present squad. No promises of cash, and wait to hear how he can use the squad and youth to build a Champions League side in a couple of seasons, or hear from one of the younger guys how they'd do it slowly over 5 years or so. I'd also ask them why Everton should appoint them, by referencing Kendall and Catterick and test their knowledge of the club. A really interested manager would have done some homework. If they didn't they're not going to get us.

Let's hope the board get it right.

I am looking forward to seeing Rhino do the stuff, whether short, medium or long term. I have posted in another report my guess of his team . . . . For the first time in months I don't feel depressed.

A big vote of support and respect to Moshiri. It can't have been easy acknowledging if only by actions, what a mistake he made by appointing Konman in the first place, but hey mistakes are made; its how you deal with them and what you learn from them that counts, and he has been very professional throughout the sad business.

COYB

Your implication that I am somehow less able than other posters to grasp your point, neither adds to it nor makes me any more likely to agree with it.

I think it's been well discussed that things might not be as they ideally should be behind the scenes. These for now are points of speculation and hearsay.

Meanwhile out in the factual open, sits a comprehensive record of Koeman's work and its undeniable effects, whatever his playing staff, many known to be his own targets, or whichever players he didn't get. This resulted in his dismissal.

He was the main man responsible for the performance of the team; the Manager. It's impossible to accurately judge the part of coaching staff and players when set against the backdrop of the hard-headed, arrogant, and ultimately incapable manager that Koeman proved himself. He found it ever easier to place blame as time progressed and had he remained, maybe that coaching staff could've had their turn, too.

His fingerprints resulted in his conviction.

Lost it for me after being continually caught on film eating his bogies*... and various public acts of body aroma sampling.

*for Jamie Crowley and others Stateside - "Boogers".,"How about Joachim Low?"

Lost it for me after being continually caught on film eating his bogies*... and various public acts of body aroma sampling.

*for Jamie Crowley and others Stateside - "Boogers".,,,1,04:24:08,,81.108.253.187,ok,19747,10/24/2017 04:24:08,Overdrive,reader,, 862971,35705,toffeeweb,24/10/2017,Bob Parrington,bparrington@comtecipe.com,"I hope Unsy can pull rabbits out of the hat. Not an easy game to start with but let's hope he's not judged harshly if he doesn't get the bunny immediately, The way the team has been working together ( or should I say "not" working together) might require some major surgery.

Good Luck Unsy and Ebbsy!

Here in OZ I have been catching up on the news and ToffeeWeb posts. You will have roused yourselves by now in the UK and I am looking forward to seeing Toffee Web go into overdrive as - I see a light!

Ideally Rhino can steady the ship and get us producing short term so we do not rush into this, and do the thorough background work on any potential target which was evidently not the case with RK.

Aside from how he seemed to be doing with Soton, I believe we rushed into that partly because he was being connected with Arsenal in order to nip in front and beat them to 'the prize'.

Certainly dodged one there, didn't they, the Arse.

I suggested Diego Simone to some of my colleagues and they just laughed at the idea asking why Simone would join Everton. I think that is the issue, nobody takes us seriously or see Everton as having any ambition these days.

If we can pay Koeman a ridiculous amount of money then i'm sure we could do the same to attract the top coaches around the world. I'm fed up of our Club being linked with dross. It's time to go big or go home imo.

If the team follow suit, that would be wonderful.

Can't wait to get to Stamford Bridge tomorrow night now to see if we play like a team that's had a weight lifted off its shoUlcers.

Fully expect to see a vibrant, energetic, cohesive, competitive performance for the first time this season.

And can we stil resurrect our Europa League hopes in Lyon next week?

Of course we can!

The season starts now.

COYB

Ross wouldn't sign a contract extension because of Koeman, we are told.

Be interesting to see if he signs now...

If it was my money that was at risk, Allardyce would be my safe option if he would come.
Other than him, give David the job short term and see how he shapes up. If he does well give him a longer term contract. Risky I know but could be worth the gamble.
Apart from them I think there's issues with most of the others that rules them out but that's only my opinion.

I know we're not a Man U, players coming in wise, but a case in point was our own Davey Moyes having done so 'solidly' for so long, with little funds, with us then failing so dismally at United with a few 'superstars' to manage!!

Significantly raised expectations also become key in such appointments, and lets not knock ourselves, we are still Everton and just cause the last few guys couldn't hack getting us to where we want to be, we should still be looking for a manager with enough ambition, nous, and genuine drive to kick-start this team and club!!!

He is doing a decent job there on a shoestring .

Passionate and will go on to bigger and better things.

Id rather have him than Sean Dyche any day , The table is false at the moment and it favours him. Hes managed 8 goals in nine games so far , so why we would want him? it makes no sense at all.

Hopefully, we go for another big name manager wise but analyse his character this time. Its pointless going from wanting the big name to a steady Eddie type.

So I'm not on my own.

It's funny to read all the professional journo's now basically regurgitating the exact same flaws that 90% of posters on here identified weeks, if not months ago. You have to wonder if some ex-pro's actually watch our games when they call for managers to be given more time. Our first league game this season against Stoke, was anti-football, and possibly the worst game I'd witnessed for a good few years. It never really got any better from there.

Sorry, Ron, when you are paid £6m a year, you can have no complaints when you get the tap on your shoulder once we found ourselves in the relegation zone. Good riddance.

Votes of confidence are usually issued with the sound of alarm bells ringing in the background.

However, the selection of the next manager is a difficult choice, made even more challenging by the inept spending spree over the summer.

IMHO:

–No first-timers should be entertained (Giggs/Neville).

–This is a job for someone with PL experience as, first and foremost, it is a salvage operation with the need to then kick-on to bigger and better things.

– Strong communication skills and charisma would also be a plus point, given that both appear to have been an issue with RK.

–Financial benefits aside, this is also a job for someone with massive self-confidence and balls of steel because, if they don't succeed within about 18 months (Moshiri's approximate timeline for improvement), they will be fired.

That narrows the field down somewhat but I am not going to add to the carnival of names thrown into the hat.

You never know but an interim like David Unsworth may be around longer than expected.

Let's hope he can do it. I wish him the best of luck!

I don't actually think the owners will choose him, they probably know his appointment wouldn't be that well received.

Shame because short term he's just what we need

I like the idea of Thomas Tuchel but most of all, l would love it to work for Unsy. He seems to have really worked hard to learn his profession as a coach. He would need a good deputy, I think.

He's had almost unadulterated success at u23 level and 1 game as caretaker manager. What does that tell us about his ability to manage us out of a bad situation?

His caretaker team selection got a huge lift from debuting three u23 lads and playing at home on the last game of the season. He won't have those luxuries every week.

Now, he gets simple questions to answer when he meets the press. Will he succumb to the pressure when he's defending his decisions after a loss and will he be able to stay positive during those times?

Plus, he's everyone's favourite uncle as our u23 manager and I would be sad to see that change.

They say you have to be prepared to win. I don't think I am if that risks seeing Unsy fail.

"For me Benitez is the obvious choice... he lives on The Wirral and is a good organiser . We could nick him off the magpies as they are having a takeover and Benitez may either not get the money for players or the new owners may want their own manager.
Whatever the past, he is good at his job, he is a communicator and it would piss off a lot of our Red chums. "

Well, I hope the board do not follow your approach and rationale for selecting a manager.

There are lessons to be learnt from Moyes, Martinez and Koeman.

Moyes - "Knife to Gunfight" and a plethora of other dour, down playing comments which turned us into big game chokers.

Martinez - "I will get you into the Champions League" rapidly became a stream of incoherent babble, culminating in his celebration of reaching two cup semi finals despite the disastrous league showing.

Koeman - where do we start? From the infamous episode where he said Lukaku should move to a big club, to talking up the RS, to trying to down play our ambitions this season.

Benitez has form in deriding Everton's status, and would need to do some major back tracking to convince me he will not be any different to our last 3 managers if the going got tough.

If this board has real ambition, the next guy needs to be prepared to fall on his sword if he cannot deliver top 4.

Enough of this patronizing nonsense from managers who are happy to pick up a fat cheque but not willing to stick their neck on their line to re-assert our status.

Enough of the board getting carried away by the rhetoric (Martinez) or the reputation (Koeman); instead, they must appoint someone with the determination and will to drag the playing side of the club out of the mediocre-is-good-enough-as-they-have-not-won-anything-recently mindset.

I don't think we are in a position to be too choosy on style, we have to play them in a way they don't like, at least for now.
If we can get top 4 then we will be able to attract the next level of players, that is if our owner/s are willing to find the money to do so!

Moyes was the same, so was Martinez, and to an extent so was Koeman. We need to be aiming higher up the scale in my view.

Plus if Moshiri wanted the big name then he can't get anyone from the Premier League except maybe Silva and Why change your belief to a smaller name?

If Dyche is a good fit, the ambition of this club and fans will never change. I don't tend to use them football friendly phrases without interpreting what a good fit is.

Steve Ferns does make some excellent points at #609 though, I feel.

In my heart I think we'd all most like Unsworth to succeed, hopefully he'll get a chance to impress us further. Whoever gets it ultimately, let's all get behind them and accept there will be mistakes now and then. A good manager will learn from them. Our players need full support, especially while we're hampered in certain positional areas. Let's not lynch the new man too soon. Until it consistently drops to Koeman-esque levels of performance that is!

In my younger and more foolish years I, cretinously, enjoyed his sad, macho posturing. He has earned a living for years. No club with a modicum of ambition would have him near the first team.

I wonder what your RS friends might think of this option ? 😆

By the way, didn't he refer us as small club twice, at Mordor and also at Newcastle?

It was for me the pre-season when I realised we were in trouble. Barely scraping through against lacking Dutch sides and then, when it was announced that Geri Deulofeu was on his way, I lost my excitement about what we could do this season.

If this was Koeman's doing, which I believe it was, then he let one of the best wingers we've had in years go for next to nothing. I at that point was 100% sure we were up the creek! I hope someone had the sense to put a buy-back clause in that contract of sale but that would mean someone at the club would need to have raised their head and asked a sensible question.

The purchases made, who what and why was this so bad? Why take so long to get looking for a striker? Why not get a left-back to cover Baines knowing we've the potential for so many games? I hope some of these younger guys come good.

Surely someone somewhere in the backroom could've grabbed Onion Head and told him whats what... or did they all think he was a bellend and wanted him out? Mirallas actually congratulated Gueye as he came off the other night, so maybe they've just been working hard to get rid of a bad egg!