Club seeks feedback through new fan survey

Very interesting that EFC should ask that question. I wonder if it was the whole point of the survey - with that particular question being embedded in the middle of a whole lot of other questions (a common survey technique).

Of course, I answered "10 - completely agree". Well, maybe not. Can't see the result of this survey being published, on that question!

Similar question re trust in the players' loyalty and performance.

I to got the survey, do you know if the survey was sent just to those who have renewed their season tickets?

I did think it was rather strange for a club to basically ask its fans "What do you think of the manager?"

I hope everybody who got the survey took the few minutes to fill it in, I would imagine their poll would mirror ToffeeWeb's own poll on Allardyce. Surely this will dispel Allardyce's claim that it's just a handful of fans who are against him?

I wondered the very same thing. It wouldn't be unheard of for a company to plant the important questions in among other ones to get a true reflection of how supporters feel.

In my case, I answered all questions honestly and my survey answers overall would (I reckon) be considered as being reasoned and reasonable.

With regard to the management and coaching, and the one about the players, I put a big fat zero for both.

Let's hope they WERE put there for a reason and that something will be done if the vast majority opt for "nul points" when it comes to those questions.

Just makes you wonder who authorised the survey, and who decided what questions to ask? I think the answer to these questions maybe as interesting as the answers to the survey

Next season won't be much different to this one, with the same familiar faces still picking up a big wedge but who can't pass a ball properly.

I am quite sure the club are aware of how the fans feel and already know what the result will be. They must have employees who read these fansites to gauge reactions.

The board are being spun a yarn by big Sam and his PR staff that he is becoming more popular. That the antipathy is just from some loons on various social media.

Football is a performance and results based industry, surely now the board you'd think would have the nous and guts to act,

Let's see what the preseason will shape up like after West Ham away. This should have been done with renewals and new applications, but being “transparent” – this is the Everton board's way...

Will this be a one-off?

It would promote unity to have us personally invested in the chosen one. As well as giving the new manager confidence and authority in his mandate.

It goes without saying that Evertonians have been treated like third-class citizens and morons instead of being some of the most loyal and knowledgeable supporters in the game by the cretins who now rule the club and now want us to have a say. So, unless they have not read the opinions expressed on a daily basis on TW, they must be deaf, dumb and blind not to already know how we feel at our present dire situation. I repeat, absolutely unbelievable.

Cuts to Sam strapped to the laser table...

"So, Mr Allardyce, fanning through the zero-filled results, it's only 15 know-nothing people on the internet?"

"I won't quit mush, I want me monoi."

"My dear Mr Allardyce, I don't want you to quit... I want you to die."

['* presses start button]

I would like to give a fans survey to Moshiri and the rest of the board asking them what they think of Allardyce.

My highlight of today was giving Sam 0 out of ten. These results will never be published, not that it'll make that arrogant wind up merchant take notice. He obviously knows we despise him and now just is winding up on purpose.

The club requires leadership and this is patently not it. The time and energy taken to do this and for what end?

Again the vital absence of a comms director, someone who would weigh up the pros and cons of such an action is negligent.

It gives us another reason to doubt and scoff at Moshiri who seems to just say nothing and let everyone else fill the vacuum.

The meme with the dog drinking, oblivious to the house burning down is so apt. As is the goofy look on its face, very Moshiri that.

Rip it up and Start again

The new ground will arrive, this is the only hope our principal shareholder has of seeing a return on his investment and he hasn't come to Everton to throw money away.

I trust Mr Moshiri to raise the profile of this club of ours, it may take a little while but it wil happen. He will make money and countless Evertonians will be smiling again.

Nobody posts without passion and whatever the opinion it is because we all care, to our core, about Everton Football Club.

If the club want a core sample of the average fan, just read the comments from any pertinent article here.

Zeros across the board from me, this season has been nothing but a disaster. No heart; no courage; no organisation.

First requirement is a new manager from the final whistle of the final game against West Ham – if not sooner.

You say that this survey was only sent to a select number of season ticket holders and members. Do you have any information as to how many were sent the survey, and why not all STH?

"Sorry Sam but the fans have made it clear they don't want you so, here's your money, now fuck off!"

As much as I don't want Sam here, I don't like the thought of treating any man like that while he's still in the job. If the board want him gone, they should do it face to face, not hide behind the fans opinions.

What they're effectively doing is making him wait on the outcome of a sacking referendum. I thought we were better than that.

As for Sean (#20), try buying a Warburtons loaf and asking to run the bakery!!!

I live in Leicester. Mulled it over for ages whether to renew or not but 112 miles is a long way for each match and I was getting fed up with matches being moved at short notice, with the Newcastle game being the prime example of that.

I hope I live to regret the decision and Everton surprise us all next season by having a great season. I think though we will need a new manager if that is to happen. I think the survey will say the same thing.

We agreed unanimously to award the football management 0 and the club management 0.

This survey must surely provide a resounding message to Mr Moshiri: end the Allardyce and Kenwright regimes now.

Seems the only opinions they are interested in is their own, and us fans shouldn't be consulted. Last week, Winter tweeted a picture of Liverpool fans outside Anfield with flares, just minutes later the Man City coach was attacked – no follow up tweet to condemn the behaviour. And I don't think we need any lectures on what's right or wrong from someone who works for The Sun.

Unless you have been living, or existing on the Planet Tharg for the last few months, I think most know the feelings of Evertonians, especially with this Manager, but also for the last two before him.

Even those with little interest in Football in general, must surely be aware, that all at Everton is not right, from top to bottom.

Club Manager 0
Club Coaching Staff 0
Chairman 0
Ground and Facilities 0
Quality of Squad 0 (Pickford only stand out)
Quality of player recruitment 0
Champions League Record - Zilch

Sounds morose, I know, but that is the current state of affairs, isn't it. As usual, we live in hope?

I loathe Henry Winter, he is so far up himself; I hate anybody who works for The Sun; can't understand anybody who buys the paper, and I have no respect for anybody who even bothers to read the paper.

Having said all of the above, Winter has a point.

Winter has a point – why now has EFC hidden behind this survey? It smacks of cowardice but, if they really do need a survey to gauge opinion, I truly hope rows and rows of zeros gets across the point.

We are so lacking in any form of leadership, it's quite shocking. The questions posed in the survey are really quite embarrassing. Someone, somewhere, is being set up. After the worst season in many years, when you consider the investment, what do they think the replies will be? Can you imagine Bill sending something like this out when he cancelled the AGM's?

They are out of touch though, who's idea was it to hold the "End of Season Awards?"

Deary me.

I have the same view of Winter, mind most of the journalists have a very high opinion of themselves. I can't see what is wrong in a club or business consulting with its customers to get some feedback.

How many times have we all complained about the club not listening to fans, now they have consulted on various subjects there in the wrong again according to some. I take it neither of these journalists have questioned what Allardyce has achieved at Everton and both say that he saved us from relegation.

I guess they will write reams about be careful what you wish for Everton fans after this. See in their world they only write about the top 5/6 the rest of us should eat our gruel and be good little boys.

In fact the only portion of my survey that came out well was the fans who I think are all stars for having to tolerate this shite week after week, especially all those who go away regularly. What we have had to tolerate over the last 5 years has been nothing short of scandalous given our realistic expectations after Moyes left. One awful decision after another.

The club /board should be held accountable for the mess we find ourselves in now. We can all go on about how disastrous the last 30 years have been but there was a lot of hard work that went in to make us competitive again in the mid to late 2000s and that has been destroyed in just 5 short years and now we are back to square one.

We need answers to this and a truthful survey should send a message to the club just how bad the club has been run in the last few years and they should answer for their calamitous mistakes.

You can't make decisions by a committee of 40,000 fans! Make a decision. Be ruthless if necessary but stop being nice. We need a winning mentality back at Goodison not surveys and fan participation.

Club asks fans for their opinions.

Fans slag off club for it.

ToffeeWeb, that.

Is there nobody with a football brain and eyes who can't assess what needs to be done without asking supporters what they think? it really makes us a joke to the rest of the football-supporting world.

Just the other week, in the wake of the Manchester City bus attack, a picture of Everton fans letting off flares was taken on County Road, and arrived on a Journalist's desk via Facebook or Twitter. The newspaper decided to run a story saying how the Everton fans had given our lovable neighbours a 'hostile' reception on Goodison Road. No apology issued save that the said journalist was told to write a story on the back of the picture.

Too many Editors/Journalists with an agenda for anyone to expect fair reporting or for them to ask pertinent questions about what is happening and why.

If the other so-called top clubs had to put up with what Evertonians have had to put up with over the last few years, it would be front page news and a thousand polls would be run by those newspapers on behalf of the long suffering fans.

Had to think hard on a lot of the questions and passed on some. I think the club are trying to do their best, but not always getting there, so I recognised the intentions were honourable in my scores. The panic appointment of Allardyce against the wishes of a huge majority of fans and completely out of kilter with the football ethos and sense of decency of the club was very disappointing. I sense that Moshiri has been making a lot of these appointments and has been poorly advised.

I spoke to a non-Evertonian friend today who asked if I was pleased that Allardyce came in and saved us from certain relegation. Strange that keen football fans would have that view. Ungrateful sod that I am, I rewarded him with nul point. A pity the question on the players was not more specific. The likes of Seamus, Jags, Baines, Gana, Davies, Niasse would score higher than others.

I've filled mine in and detailed exactly why my answers were such in the comments boxes. This must be an attempt to guage the match-going supporters' feelings towards the management. If so, the results may not be published, but they will probably become apparent!

Here's hoping.

It's quite simple, people want to see good players playing nice football for a good manager. They want to see us being competitive. If they don't know what their "mission statement" should say by now, then there really is no hope.

You can't build a stadium by committee, and you certainly can't run any football club by the general consensus of the fanbase. Look at the mess we've found ourselves in regarding transfers. Too many cooks have burned down the bank of Goodison.

Sack Sam, employ Directors in the boardroom who can deliver on and off the pitch. Do they really have to ask our opinion to get that bit right?

The fucking life has been sapped out of this once great club by employing absolute knobheads which in turn has set us back even further behind the top 4 we were trying to get close to. I filled mine in and told it as I see it.

Joke of a club.

The alternative? banners/protests singing "Fuck Off, Sam Allardyce" – none of this will be nice to witness. We need to move on and put this whole embarrassing season behind us as quickly as possible.

At least we never put a 50ft mural of the bastard up the side of the ground like they did with Martinez – we would have had protests from Greenpeace about the amount of PVC needed to print it on!

How will any potential new manager, coaches and players, take to feedback surveys? Or is this the one and only, purpose designed to exit the current management and coaching staff and certain board members?

Maybe they'll do them quarterly and their pay will be performance related and those not doing the business get docked and their wages go towards funding a new supporters club at Bramley-Moore Dock or perhaps down Goodison Road if it fails.

Yep, it's a farce...

It isn't very classy of the club, putting the current manager up to the popular vote, particularly when he hasn't been at all popular since the day he arrived – but it perhaps gives us all an insight into the way the club is being run and it doesn't look good from our vantage point.

As I calculate it, unless Southampton win all their remaining games and we lose all ours (and all other teams between us get 42 points or more) we can not be relegated.

So sack the useless lump of lard tomorrow and put Kermit in charge until season end. At least a Muppet with a sense of humour and the ability to entertain.

Under Allardyce we have picked up 7 points in those same fixtures with a goal differential of negative 11. So Allardyce hasn't improved us defensively and has actually picked up one less point than what got Koeman sacked against the same clubs.

Seems simple enough to me.

I can recall slow-handclaps. Boos. Graffiti. Even petitions that feebly failed. But never chants of “Fuck off ‘manager's name' “

And let's not feel bad about it, Allardyce will be delighted. Far easier to pick up his ٤m for playing golf than standing on the touchline.

Like many others, I haven't seen the full survey to judge what questions are asked or how they are framed. The questions that have been posted on this thread and elsewhere raise further questions and speculation of their own.

It really is far from the norm to ask for such a blunt evaluation of individuals (such as the manager) or a group (such as the players). I'm really not sure if it is brazen and bold, or cowardly and simpering.

I do feel, as others have already mentioned, it smacks a little of abrogation of duty by the decision-makers at the club. Surely they cannot be so out of touch or so deaf and blind to the growing discontent among the fan base that the club is a rudderless ship heading for the rocks if things are not seriously addressed this summer.

I can see that happening before this spineless board sack Allardyce and his cronies.

How about getting that Russian bear on the pitch? Or better still, sat between Allardyce and Lee. Just don't feed it first.

Leadership is required!! We are a laughing stock.... What Manager would consider us now?

While we are at it, can we please bring back seat cushions? – best voting system ever.

This has been probably the worst season performance wise for many a year and started way back probably with the poor Goodison result against the Cypriot side although I suspect that all was not well behind the scenes with Koeman & Co.

That Niasse squad number farce still has me baffled as many of the squad have shown they are just as lacking as he. Most of the new signings have failed miserably and begs the question why?

We cannot blame the injuries in all honesty although we did struggle at both full-back positions for the longest time but, let's face it, all clubs have their injury problems.

With nowhere really to go it is a perfect time to get the younger players some extended valuable playing time but Allardyce will probably just keep with the same failures till the end of the season. Tsk.Tsk.

1. Stop asking fans what they think – you should already know it!

2. Client satisfaction surveys are important but my bank asks me “How would you rate the phone call you just had?” not, “Thanks for your call, whilst you're on the phone, what do you think of the CEO?”

This is pathetic and makes us as a club look absolutely ridiculous!! Strong leadership starts from the top! Forget the fans (for now), you've ploughed in X amount of money and you're not getting results. You should be able to make the correct decisions without a poorly veiled vote of confidence..!

Unbelievable!!!

I can't really blame Big Sam, we were dire before he was appointed. Having said that, next season we need a new manager and some fresh faces, not too much of a clear-out though because this is what happened last year – 9 new guys in messed us up.

Terrible season... I'll be glad when it's over!

The club asks the opinion of fans and is castigated for abrogating responsibility.

Maybe a question could have been asked as to what supporters actually want!

If you're one, answer.

If you're not (which includes me), at least we know they're trying.

We need a strong board with Leadership. Seems this is the norm with all Premier League teams. Not the good ole blues...

Allardyce should never have been appointed and is a stain on the club. Humiliating him in this way seems a perverse and undignified way to excuse what now seems like his inevitable dismissal.

It also sets a very dangerous precedent while – as others point out – allowing Allardyce to present himself as a victim.

Moshiri doesn't seem to like personal confrontation. He's not alone in that. He dismissed Martinez without even meeting him I understand? In the new age of Trumpesque tweets, and political correction on just about everything, perhaps it is just another way to step forward and be a genuine gesture to connect (and / or / either) be seen to attempt to connect or whatever.

Carl's response at 72 is the best action. Vote if you can and wait the outcome. We are a democracy after all aren't we? Perhaps there are some well hidden conspiracies surrounding the issue but we should not be distracted by such an unusual way of doing business. Use the poll response just as we use our right to express our opinion in other forums. Perhaps the split board are looking to verify the earlier readers polls in ToffeeWeb and the Echo? as a quasi-legal positioning strategy who knows.

I have no voting position but if I did it would be to acknowledge Allardyce's fulfilling his contract, and follow through with a structured root and branch clear out over a well structured time frame.

NSNO. COYB. Thankyou and goodbye, Mr Allardyce and crew.

Why is an attempt to consult fans, and get their views, laughable?

Allardyce is insisting the opposition to him is just a handful of loud fans on social media. The fan survey will prove if he's right... or not!

Get him to do it. His ex bird is a big blue.

Surveys are all the club seems to be doing. Down on the dock, the laughable one on Allardyce, whilst nothing concrete is happening.

The Board need to be leaders of the gang here and make constructive decisions. With the emphasis on 'construct'.

To paraphrase Abe Lincoln, "You can please some of the people all of time etc."

Anyone who can't already see this won't accept the explanation.

I think Moshiri is just looking for a mandate to get shut of Sam... or maybe keep him, because it's what we voted for.

It's a very CEO thing to do, isn't it? I'm probably not the only one on here who has had these sorts of surveys from their employers.

Whether you believe in it or not, it is to get some buy-in from below.

Some would rather we hold marches and display banners inside the ground, which would make the atmosphere in the ground even worse than it is now. So a business asking its paying customers in a survey how they rate their experience of visiting their establishment, how do they rate their staff, what improvements can be made... Well, if this is laughable, then you'd best tell the top companies to save their money as they all carry out the same surveys.

Football is now a business and should be run as such; getting input from customers is invaluable. Whether those asking the questions implement any of the changes the survey of customers tells them, is something completely different.

Every year where I worked, there is a very similar survey carried out. Asking similar questions, such as how much do you trust senior management, how much do you trust your team leader, how much do you feel valued by the department, what are your views on the department, how much do you trust your team colleagues. The questions go on and on and on. Action was taken on a lot of the results, so hopefully action will be taken on one question in particular, asked in this survey.

I agree with James (#79). It shouldn't need a survey for the board to know our feelings towards Allardyce. I don't know if Moshiri attends away games or not, but I was at the Burnley and Swansea games when the fans showed our disapproval towards Allardyce and believe me, the message was received loud and clear by Allardyce. If Moshiri did attend both those games, then I think he will have also got the message.

It will also enable the Board to claim they are only reflecting the wishes of the fans when they act on the almost certain rejection of the management team.

I somehow suspect it is the Kenwright faction that has pressed for this 'consultation' as I am prepared to say that, for all his faults, the chairman is a damn sight closer to the mood of crowd than the Russian envoy he has as a partner.

What a sorry mess!

Okay... let's ask them.

Logic? Seems wise to me.

Wise? Read rest of the thread!

The original... as far as I could see from various quotes... policy was that Koeman didn't 'do' transfers and that he would indicate a need for Player Type A; Walsh would give him a list in descending order and they would sort out availability.

Then we have reality – a teary Boys Pen Bill was all over the Rooney thing. Koeman almost issued a "back me or sack me" over Schneiderlin via the press. Siggi was pursued over and above a decent cost price... it must've been for footballing reasons, which has to be Koeman again.

A keeper and Centre Back were brought in... they both looked good buys: young, English, decent price – Walsh?

Bolasie?? wtf! By all accounts, he was mates with Lukaku who rated him... collective bottling there, plus over-priced.

Then there was the "All the eggs in the Giroud basket" fuck-up. Koeman again.

To be honest, up to now, Walsh is looking a bit squeaky clean so far... The clincher for me is the Barkley / Koeman tiff and stalemate. Barkley went complaining to the person he saw as over Koeman... his old arm-round-the-shoulder, Blue Bill. And Koeman went to his Boss, Moshiri.

All this points to an on-the-ground, day-to-day power vacuum... all caused by a new-stadium-centric absentee landlord, Moshiri.

Inadvertently (or not), this is your bad, Moshiri — SORT IT!!!

As I posted @ 71, I agree with those who say there is nothing wrong with the principle of a business surveying its key target group to help inform its decision making and policies going forward.

I do, however, raise an eyebrow at the more specific questions which call for a rating of inidividuals, rather than a broader 'generic' evaluation of performance.

It really is far from the norm to ask for such a blunt evaluation of individuals (such as the manager) or a group (such as the players).

As I said previously, I'm really not sure if it is brazen and bold, or cowardly and simpering.

On this, I lean towards those who feel it smacks a little of abrogation of duty by the decision-makers at the club. Surely they cannot be so out of touch or so deaf and blind to the growing discontent among the fan base who feel the club is a rudderless ship heading for the rocks if things are not seriously addressed this summer. And that is not solely down to who the current manager is.

But Fat Sam is too clever for that, he doesn't want to be here but there's no chance of him resigning till he gets paid the rest of his contract.

So it just looks like a PR stunt to me; fingers crossed it isn't.

At least for that one minute, you would guarantee Sam sending an all-out attack bombardment to get us up out of our seats.

If he stays on next season, the club will be accused of ignoring the wishes of the fans, and if they sack him, they will be accused of weak leadership and pandering to the supporters who know nothing about running a football club. Lose-lose on a PR level.

Whichever way this pans out, this whole episode has made us a laughing stock. 'Bizarre' and 'Extraordinary' just two of the adjectives used by the national media to describe this 'survey.'

If anyone thinks it's a good idea to publicly request that the fans rate their manager out of ten, then they deserve a full-time role at the club.

"That one over there with the cock eye has been looking at me all night. At least I think it's me, it maybe someone over my shoulder. I can't work out whether she has got a nice pair of threepennys under her moody fur coat. She's got a kipper like Billy Dainty, that's for sure, she could eat an apple through a tennis racket but there is something about her. I can't make me mind up whether to take her home. Can you wake the lads up in the corner and ask them to do a survey on her"

What the fuck is going on with my club?

‘The originals' for those who frequent Twitter and had the walk to the ground pre-derby are planning post Newcastle activities similar to the Bournemouth game under Martinez.

I suggested exactly your idea. It allows a fanbase who is often reluctant to go ‘rogue' to protest and still go the game.

Chose a poignant number, 78 perhaps, and turn your back on the club, as they appear to be doing to us.

The failure of the leadership here needs to be highlighted.

On a slightly different note, I hear Fonseca is coming to the UK today, hols at Skeggy perhaps?

Sam Allardyce will take most of the flak even though this won't bother him but Moshiri and the board should not be exempt from a much deserved round of boos. This club of ours is walking on thin ice and one more bad manager coupled with one or two more bad expensive signings could see us finally fall through the trap door of relegation and beyond.

Moshiri needs to win the supporters over quickly and getting rid of Allardyce today would help.

If you were on a fixed-term contract and your employer came to you with: "Hi, we have taken a straw poll of your peers, they all think you're poor at your job and you have to leave. However, due to your contract we will pay in full for the next year."

On a scale of 1 to 10, how bothered would you be? Please bear in mind you are on ٤ mill a year.

In this case, 10 being, incredibly angry and burning with desire to prove them all wrong; 1 being, show me the money and you can all go fuck yourselves.

Nothing wrong with the club seeking public opinion. It's a fieldday for the cynics amongst us, though. Out of touch when not consulting, laughing stock when they do.

It certainly looked familiar.

I think it was a rash appointment and the wrong appointment after persuing Silva (I don't want him and in hindsight what fools Watford were to turn down £15m) for too long and being made to look foolish and desperate by not already having a replacement lined up.

To be fair to Sam he's a good mid table coach and can usually get the best out of limited players. We must be really terrible because we have been awful and Sam hasn't improved the players or performances.

Talking about people with cock eyes, there was this little old lady who lived on a ground floor flat, in a three-storey building. Two detectives called on her one day and told there had been reports of a cock-eyed Peeping Tom prowling the neighbourhood.

They said not to worry, they had come to reassure her. If she saw a strange man looking through her window, don't be alarmed as he wasn't watching her, he was watching the women next door!!!!

Moshiri probably thinks the sun shines out of Allardyce's arse considering we sold record numbers of season tickets.

I'm thinking of starting up a whelk stall. Should I ask for some advice from a) someone on our board or b) Sooty and Sweep?

It wasn't the shayner out of the Blob was it?
Where was the house?

Not that I escorted the bella signora home or anything like that.

Instead, survey the club's ranking, the number of defeats, goals conceded, fans booing on match days, fans remonstrating before a match creates adverse media coverage and the likes and you would already know whether the manager is fit for the job or not.

But don't make a joke out of the club by sending electronic surveys to ask about the manager's performance. It's Management 101; as basic as that. It must be a tactic to push the manager out of the door; else there's nothing that can be gained from the survey. It must be a sneaky way to piss him off.

We as fans don't make decisions about employees of the club – that's down to the board or more likely Mr Moshiri, we didn't foist this charlatan on the club, they did, so it's down to them (him) to get shut.

The real truth is that the club has a brass neck asking the fans to sack Big Sam just because they haven't got the grit.

"On every level Allardyce has failed to grasp the scale of the job and the size of the club. Players are to blame for defeats while mockery greets any supporter dissent as the toxic wheels of self-preservation never stop turning for Allardyce. Ambition does not exist and there is no intent to win matches. His appointment has become an unmitigated disaster, one Everton did not need in the first place."

Works for me.

Seriously this shows they have not a got a clue and no real relativity to the supporters. 4 feathers to each member of the board and any self-respecting manager or player with any nous will be giving us the elbow during preseason.

Another fine mess by EFC Board Productions... What and where to next on the road to nowhere?

I can see your point but the danger if we all ignore the survey is that the club, as you say, won't have the balls to sack him. I didn't rate the players as low as Sam as that would have implied equal culpability.

Record season ticket sales is not an endorsement of the incompetent management on and off the field. If you don't have a season ticket, it is difficult to obtain a seat since demand has exceeded supply following the expectation engendered by the arrival of Mr Moshiri.

As I posted earlier, my voting score for both the football management and the hierarchy was 0 and I expect most season ticket holders will have voted similarly.

If anyone actually believes Allardyce's future rests on the outcome of the survey, then you're round the fucking twist. IMHO there's generally been a complete overreaction to the obvious one or two questions which (if you look at them from another angle) is the club giving supporters the chance to make their feelings known.

Moshiri didn't need the fans' okay to bullet Koeman and he doesn't need it to get rid of Allardyce. Just my opinion!

God help us if they ask us lot on TW – take 20 years reach a consensus! (Why TW is brill!)

I want Big Sam replaced as much as the next man, but the manager of EFC (whoever that may be) should always expect better.

No wonder Cahil points out recently that we've lost our identity. I have always identified with the club as being a cut above the rest, always felt that we had something about us that was different or special – something other clubs didn't have. This is only a survey and nothing to get too hung up about, but we continue to let our high standards slip.

It shows a level of naivety which is occasionally reported of a local golf club when they are thinking of changing from Schweppes to Fever Tree.

It's pretty certain Allardyce will not be remembered for much else!

It's just an opinion poll, not something overly meaningful unlike letting the fickle and uneducated public decide on something meaningful like Brexit.

What was the board's targets for our current manager? Top ten finish? If so, job done!

A trophy or top seven finish? Well it's good bye.

Bigger questions over purchases of players are of greater concern.

1/10 is what I gave as a rating for the management and coaching staff. A manager with links to bung investigations sacked from his previous job due to a sting operation. And to be honest, that 1/10 for Sam is more than I gave the owner... links to Usmanov, Panorama investigations, pie in the sky talk about a stadium that won't happen, selling the spine of a team for years to come (Lukaku, Barkley, Stones).

Also a 0 for trust in players: the vice-captain out drink driving, one player arrested for allegedly assaulting his partner. Another player I can confirm was once skulking about university halls in the early hours of the morning despite having a fiancée. Another squad player twice banned for failed drug tests.

If your workplace read like the above, you wouldn't just abhor it, you'd be ashamed to be a part of it.

Get real ladies and gentleman, Everton FC are an unsuccessful, disappointing, moral-lacking, hypocritical organisation. And the sooner we all realise there's better things to do on Saturday at 3pm, then the better.

And before anybody says I'm a red or somebody with an anti-Everton agenda, I'm a season ticket holder who recognises what a waste of time this club really is as they're happy to line the coffers and make up the numbers in the Premier League.

The media luvvies can't bring themselves to believe that Allardyce could be hugely disliked by vast numbers of Evertonians; the club knows better. Does anyone know anyone who wants Allardyce there next season?

However, from day one of his tenure I personally have witnessed nothing but disrespect being shown by Allardyce towards the fans of this club, most especially in recent weeks when he has clearly chosen to dismiss all fan criticism, writing off the feelings of an ever-growing discontentment by dismissing it as a few disgruntled people on social media who know nothing about professional football, completely ignoring the large number of fans at away games who have clearly made their feelings known in no uncertain terms.

While the fans and many of the media saw Lookman as a part of the future of Everton and clamoured for him to be given game time, Allardyce ignored him in order to play the returning Bolasie who according to the dinosaur man, 'cost a lot more' and compounded this by sending Lookman on loan. How many Premier League managers send members of their first team squad out on loan in mid-season? None that I know of.

He then compared us to clubs like Newcastle, Palace et al, showing a complete disrespect for the history and the aspirations of the club and its fans.

There's a lot more, but I hope I've made my point.

Disrespect? Yes, plenty of it, but let's place that tag firmly where it belongs, and the club certainly didn't start this ball rolling.

Respect and Allardyce are simply two words that don't sit well together in the same sentence, I'm afraid.

There was a similar if not more specific poll on TW itself a short time ago. Whilst more than 12,000 voted (over 11,000 to get rid of Allardyce), I can't recall anyone criticising Lyndon and/or Michael for undermining our current manager!

This trick of the imagination, giving us a “voice” that will be listened to in the boardroom, has the Barrett-Baxendale stamp all over it. Since her promotion, no ascension, to the Board of EFC engagement with the fans, or punters as I've heard her describe the people who pay her wages, has become a vogue thing to do. In her world, engaging with fans, giving us a real stake in our club, is like persuading the native people that a few beads for Manhattan is good value.

It's a technique she has honed at EitC. Surveys, questionnaires, evaluations – anything that will produce the results you want; an excuse to sack the manager whose appointment you sanctioned in the first place, a deflection of attention from the abject performance of those running the club, a currying of favour in case Moshiri decides to examine who actually does what at this club?

Another great trick in the Barrett-Baxendale box of smoke and mirrors is to get these surveys and evaluations “independently” monitored. The favoured partner for such activity is someone who likes money for old rope. It's also useful, completely by chance of course and totally unrelated to any transaction involving being paid to evaluate some really important stuff, if said partner can scratch your back when you're just itching for a few more meaningless letters after your name.

We live in a world where people just re-invent themselves when they feel like a new identity. This works particularly well in a place that has lost its own identity. It works even better when you have a few like-minded folk around you in that place. So you go along with, no more than that you pay homage to, the idea that your boss used to watch the match from the Boys Pen and he'll accept that money paid to (the also re-invented) Hope University to evaluate some EitC program or other is a good use of cash.

And then you get to be called professor at this university to go along with them awarding you a doctorate so you can be a doctor professor. More smoke and mirrors. No PhD required, the lesser spotted EdD will do fine. Doctor of Education? Especially when you've never taught in a classroom. But as someone said, the bigger the lie...

Surrounding yourself with sycophants, a Barrett-Baxendale trademark, is one way of inuring yourself from unwelcome criticism and ensuring banal plaudits about your “commitment”. Commissioning surveys with pre-ordained outcomes achieves pretty much the same ends.

Except when people are not as thick and gullible as they're taken for. Massive change needed at Everton Football Club.

When the same - yes the exact same – survey was sent out at this time last season, where was the uproar then?

There wasn't any.

That is because despite the sensational headlines this is not a survey about us Evertonians rating Sam Allardyce. That particular point isn't even specific to him as it refers to our coaching staff also. The survey is about a number of issues – not just what is (or, in our case, isn't) happening on the pitch.

Open your eyes, people. What is wrong with a business surveying it's paying customers? If you don't want to fill it in, no-one is forcing you.

I do not remember a TW thread about last year's survey.

That said, my memory isn't what it once was. It's been eroded since about November of last year.

I can't believe the stupidity of this survey. Yet again, a majority of the dumbed down Everton fan base go along with this shit, thinking they are of some use or some importance as the club is engaging with them on issues of importance. The truth is, the people at the top at this club are clueless Muppets.

Ask Man Utd or Man City fans how they voted on their survey and watch them scratch their heads... Does Abramovich allow Chelsea fans a say on how he spends his money? No, he doesn't, is the answer to that question.

Mention the name Sam Allardyce and some of you would sign your own death certificate. Once again, the club shows how amateurish it really is with this survey garbage, yet huge amounts of you lap it up. "Well, if it gets rid of Allardyce, I'm all for it," they say – not grasping or thinking of the bigger picture and the damage this shit does. It is beyond comical that you all fall for it or even give it your energy by filling the thing in.

The gap now between ourselves and the top 6 is way out of reach at this present time. With each passing month and each new survey or fans forum, we lag further behind. Serious culling at the top needs to take place. Heads need to roll, proper professional people need to be brought into the club in all areas. The whole place reeks of incompetence and ineptitude.

Why don't the club do a survey to find the biggest numbskull on the board? Now that would be a form worth filling in. You people need to wake up and stop allowing the club to take the piss out of itself. Spoil the survey papers, wipe your backsides on them, but don't take part in this nonsense.

If the fans vote for him, it will make it more difficult to sack him, if that is what they want to do, and vice versa.

Strange, shouldn't it strengthen his position as he believes only a small minority aren't his biggest fans?

Examples:
Great point at Swansea.
Great tactics to wear LFC down.
Getting booed, that's what we do to ALL managers, supposedly.
Top 6 results since he's been in charge (I'm certain he included the first 4-0 vs West Ham). Etc.

You get the picture. He's been in contract termination mode for months. He will never be critical of himself as it may be used against him, remember, this fella had been sacked, a lot.

Now, the club produce this survey. For me, this is their counter-argument to reduce Allaryce's compensation. We all know the result of the survey and it will be used against SA. The survey may look harsh against Allardyce but it saves the club money.

I know now, because of this survey, that Sam Allardyce will be sacked at the end of the season. Phew!

Sam Allardyce criticises Everton fans survey

I thought it was embarrassing before.

You can't reduce his payoff coz we all say he's shit, unfortunately.

If he's got an 18-month contract and he gets sacked after 6 he gets paid up for the remainder of the contract.

Unless it's for gross misconduct, which even our football doesn't count as.

What happens if he doesn't get sacked but gets moved to a "scouting" role?

As a person, I don't think he would like to sit out the next 12 months – no matter how much he's being paid.

The question this raises for me is whether there really is a split in the Boardroom. No word on what Moshiri thinks or anything at all from him. But Kenwright's name continues to be mentioned by the staff. I just don't believe for one second that this survey would be compiled and sent out without someone at the top of the club knowing about and endorsing the idea.

So we can all relax, Allardyce will be in charge for the new season... in fact, he also said he "would be amazed if he was asked to stand down"!

I can imagine this has caused a lot of merriment in Merseyside – just not on the Blue side. I did say with everybody renewing season tickets it was job done, and he would be in charge for next season, and it looks like its happening.

I just watched Wenger's press conference – another deluded manager, he was asked about the empty seats at Arsenal's last few games. He said "Our supporters are very loyal and they have renewed their season tickets in record numbers. I wonder where else has this happened."

It's not mob rule. It is called democracy and free speech.

What the club use the information for to better themselves is up to them.

I think the survey, for this year at least, is pertinent. I would love the outcome to confirm that the odious Allardyce is an appalling, useless, money-grabbing sack of shite but I would rather our bewildered owner stabbed him in the front.

The Allardyce era is, in my view, the most shameful in our history. The cretinous use of TalkSport by Moshiri makes me wonder if he is even more ludicrous than Kenwright.

I'm now also concerned that Arsenal will make a move to take Sam.

As for democracy, the fans do not get to choose, or get rid of, a manager. That is a decision for the board, whose composition results from who owns more shares. That is democracy, at corporate level in this case.

I can tell you that this does and has happened outside the football world. Surveys have been sent out to clients at places I have worked to gauge their level of satisfaction with the product they are paying for, their account reps, the customer service, the sales staff, etc.

Businesses sending out surveys to customers to ascertain their level of satisfaction with the business, and using that information to inform the direction of the business, and in some cases release employees receiving poor reviews.

"The fans do not get to choose, or get rid of, a manager".

You might want to ask Walter Smith about that or even West Ham fans who outed Allardyce from their club.

While I agree with you that it's not right to use a survey to get rid of a manager what would you say if the situation was reversed? That the fans all love the manager but the directors are undecided?

These surveys have been put out before and nobody batted an eyelid but, because the media have hit on this all of a sudden, it's unethical to see how your customers feel about their product.

There is no evidence that the club are using this survey to undermine Allardyce per se as the questionnaire covers every aspect of the club – so why would he feel sensitive about it if he didn't feel the noise already?

Your analogy with trade unions would mean players getting a say on who the manager is, not the fans.

Jay (#182), your examples of Walter Smith and Sam Allardyce at West Ham underline my point about 'mob rule'. Not that the mob wasn't right in those two cases, but that's beside the point.

I also started out by saying that the board should know very well what the fans think of the manager without having to ask them explicitly. Furthermore, as we know, only a minority of the fans are being sounded out.

I doubt Wenger would have announced his departure today were it not for a large plurality of Gooners trying to push him overboard. When you see the torches outside your window, it doesn't much matter how you label the people carrying them.

Definition of mob rule: "control of a political situation by those outside the conventional or lawful realm, typically involving violence and intimidation."

I don't think this relates to replying honestly to a fan survey nor fans singing their wishes at a football game.

I agree with your main point about the directors knowing their own minds but, as we have all come to realise, we are a rudderless ship being run by incompetence — which is also covered in the survey questionnaire, by the way.

Directors must keep their cool and try not to be overly influenced by the very understandable emotions the fans show. Think back to Howard Kendall in early 1984.

Jay (#187), I could post here definitions of democracy and free speech, but I don't think I need to. But, overall, I don't think we disagree that much.

But it has to be said, it hardly needs a genius director/CEO to work out the fans of any club want commitment, attacking football, a decent stadium and, probably the most common wish, that the fucking lot of them take a massive pay cut!