According to sport journalist Pete O'Rourke, Monaco and Nice are keen on taking Holgate on a temporary basis until the end of the season.
Newcastle United have been linked with a permanent move for the defender this window but it is not clear if the Magpies are the English club that O'Rourke is hearing abut from his sources.
However, Sky Sports are claiming that Everton have no intention of letting Holgate go on loan this month and have already rejected an offer from Turkish club Trabzonspor for him.
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1 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:10:29
Never fulfilled his promise, makes a lot of mistakes and has the arrogance of prime Baresi without the talent or temperament.
2 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:23:00
3 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:32:58
Personally I hope Mason stays as I think he has better this season than last.
4 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:37:47
5 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:47:53
God knows what happened but, for whatever reason, he seems to have gone downhill quite quickly.
Hopefully a move may well kick start his career but I doubt staying will help either party
6 Posted 11/01/2022 at 20:55:58
7 Posted 11/01/2022 at 21:24:23
Failing to do this leaves you wide open to being royally shafted by charlatan chancers who can see from a mile away that you have pots of cash and know nothing about the business you just bought.
Specifically regarding useless, overpaid crock playing staff, am I overly optimistic to hope we'll have eventually cleared the mess we're currently in by the time we're playing home games at BMD?
8 Posted 11/01/2022 at 22:01:24
Not to be.
Hopefully he leaves and we get some decent money.
9 Posted 11/01/2022 at 22:23:25
Holgate can go, El Ghazi no thanks and Allan needs to stay
10 Posted 11/01/2022 at 23:35:36
He can sit next to Schneiderlin on the Nice bench and they can compare notes on sideways passes and general indifference.
11 Posted 11/01/2022 at 23:49:31
12 Posted 11/01/2022 at 00:05:03
Holgate like many young player's failed to improve on his initial promise. He can still look good at times and panicky 5 mins later.
There are two pet hates of mine that he has always consistently done that needed to be drilled out of him years ago but continues to do.
1. he's too quick to pass blindly backwards to the keeper. Often resulting in giving the ball away 20 yards from goal.
Coaches should fine him for every back pass!
2. he goes to ground too quickly when tackling. Often giving dangerous free kicks away and yellow carded or simply skipped past.
Coaches should warn him and then sub him every time!
But he has rescued the slow Keane several times this season by using his pace covering for his team mate.
Godfrey and Branthwaite are both better defenders.
13 Posted 12/01/2022 at 00:36:25
14 Posted 12/01/2022 at 02:19:58
15 Posted 12/01/2022 at 02:47:45
Has to be a sale, will do his confidence good and our bank balance. The next of many.
16 Posted 12/01/2022 at 04:29:58
That may have something to do with the fact that He's played in just about every position across the back line. In just about every formation. For two managers who's sole intention is to spoil the game. He's played in Midfield too. When he played there for Ferguson he produced a performance at Old Trafford that Allan has failed to match in numerous attempts.
Could anybody see Either of the lighthouses managing that ?...or even being asked to try ?
Yeah he's a whipping boy, but I would challenge anybody to to put up a list of errors he has made which lead directly to us conceding a goal...Ask that about any other defenders..and it would be like asking what have the Romans done for us.
If You ask a footballer to spoil a game and you are taking a fish out of water.
Holgate didnt play when we conceded 2 going on five against a championship team last week. He wasnt there when wooden Yerry and static Michael were run ragged at Villa...and he had no part in the five goal walloping against Watford.
If he goes; People like M Gaynes who come on virtually every day to hammer him (whether the thread is about him or not) will be sitting there scratching their heads wondering why we are still getting murdered when the "culprit" has gone.
Branthwaite is a baby. we`ll be left with Cant play, Wont play and Got no fuckin intentions of playing.
Put someone like Duncan Ferguson in charge and Holgate will become one of our best players again.
With him gone and Tom Davies out. I guess the "experts" will need to find another whipping boy.
If I was Anthony Gordon I'd be asking my agent to get me the fuck out of here.
17 Posted 12/01/2022 at 05:09:42
18 Posted 12/01/2022 at 05:25:50
It does not help him and Godfrey playing beside Keane, because Keane spreads nervousness across the defence. Mina is just too unavailable to help in the development of Holgate and Godfrey. Although I see Branthwaite as the next John Stones in terms of his composure and comfort on the ball, he is just too young and inexperienced to be burdened with being the defensive lynchpin of this team.
So, what we really need, which many on here are calling for is an experienced, big, dominating CB - someone like Rudiger or Koulibaly (my favourite fantasy player). Someone like Distin who Moyes pulled out of a relegated team (Portsmouth) all those years ago.
I wish we had gone in for Kurt Zouma when he became available last summer but FFP probably prevented that from happening. There must be others of similar ilk available - preferably with PL experience - Lewis Dunk or Shane Duffy for example.
19 Posted 12/01/2022 at 06:17:43
And he's another young player suffering from the uncertainty of our managerial situation; it's bound to affect the young players more.
Also, in addition to an unsettled situation at the club, he's not really had a settled position to make his own. I know it's a squad game more than ever and formations fluctuate, but a victim of his own versatility? Or managers don't really know his best position or what to do with him? But they like him because he is a good player and does have that versatility that managers like.
I still think his best position is centre back, but maybe in a 3. With better players around him. That one's for you Darren!!
For where we are now, he's good enough to be in the squad for me. But I'm not the manager.
20 Posted 12/01/2022 at 07:30:38
Surely we can't get rid of too many players in this window even if we replace them. We need team cohesion badly at the minute and new players will need a bedding in period no matter who they are.
21 Posted 12/01/2022 at 07:30:38
Surely we can't get rid of too many players in this window even if we replace them. We need team cohesion badly at the minute and new players will need a bedding in period no matter who they are.
22 Posted 12/01/2022 at 07:40:12
Were in trouble if Morshi cant see what Rafa is doing two stubborn men sinking the Everton ship.
23 Posted 12/01/2022 at 09:01:22
Ive yet to see the same people who criticise him for chewing criticise Townsend for the same thing.
Holgate, with a run of games and alongside someone with an ounce of pace, is a good defender.
24 Posted 12/01/2022 at 09:12:27
Benitez has become a disaster zone for defenders over the years and if you look at how many goals we are conceding from set pieces and how all of our defenders are struggling under this regime, you can see that Mason is actually doing a lot right. if you look at every defender at the club through the entire back line from Digne, Godfrey, Holgate, Keane, Mina, Coleman and Kenny you could argue they are all suffering to various degrees yet our fan base would be happy to get rid of the lot of them. What I feel they are missing is that any new addition would likely to fall in the same category.
Benitez famously told John Terry that he was too old and too slow to play 90 minutes in the Premier League at the age of 32 because he became a total liability that campaign having the worst season of his career. Mourinho comes in they win the title whereby Terry was rejuvenated into being the best defender in the league that season and incredibly playing every minute of every game making a total clown out of the Spaniard in the process.
If he does that to a Premier League icon what hope for some of our boys.
For me too many supporters place emphasis on how the manager sees the game and because his limitations are transferred onto the players they dismiss a lot of talent out of hand.
I was against Townsend coming because I wanted to see more of Gordon. Many said he wasn't good enough because he didn't pull up trees on loan. He only gets his chance through injury now they rave about him.
Likewise I wanted Branthwaite when Godfrey was poor because I thought he would bring balance and was worth a try. He comes in and had a stormer months after he should have had his chance.
I wanted to see a more technical manager coming in after Ancelotti who has a record of improving players as I think we have still some decent talent here not being utilised properly with the likes of Richarlison,Digne,Gomes,Godfrey and especially Holgate at the forefront of that list.
25 Posted 12/01/2022 at 09:39:12
26 Posted 12/01/2022 at 09:46:33
This is not me just taking a pop at Ancelotti as I feel that working under the Italian will most likely be fundamental to his long term career as he will have learnt so much in terms of his weaknesses and on the art of defending that he wouldn't get from say a Silva.
However for me the Portuguese played to his strengths whereas Ancelotti didn't and it was no surprise to me that his form relapsed.
Under Silva in that turbulent season Mason was absolutely immense and his partnership with Mina gave Silva a stay of execution. I had never seen a centre back get so many man of the match performances game after game in such a struggling side.
If you recall we were able to play with a high line which we couldn't do with Mina and Keane who had been disastrous. When Ancelotti first came in we almost continued with Silva's way of playing only with Ancelotti's greater tactical nous. For me it was when Ancelotti began playing deeper the following season after Mason's injury that Mason's lack of stature and not being a backs to the wall defender began his demise though I'm sure the injury also had an effect on his confidence.
Personally I think Mason is more suited to a coach who will play on the front foot as was the case in his first real full season here.
27 Posted 12/01/2022 at 11:04:04
Im sure hed look better under the right manager in a better team but that doesnt help us now.
If we were to get a good bid for him it would make sense to consider, though it probably speaks volumes that this has not happened despite him being reportedly available since Benitez arrived. I dont see how a loan would help us unless it were to put him in the shop window for higher price but such a tactic had the opposite effect with JJ Kenny.
28 Posted 12/01/2022 at 11:07:56
I think Holgate is a good player and can potentially get better. Like you though, it doesn't look like it will be with Everton, unfortunately.
Back to command. Like a few of our defenders, he is not a commander. They need to be commanded. And we lack that. I've been calling it for ages. I'm boring myself now.
Get that player in and I believe players like Holgate and Godfrey would look totally different. Both young players out of sorts. Could that partly be because they're not being led by that commander. Commanding front foot playing centre back. Please can we have one Moshiri, Benitez, Kitman or whoever is in charge of transfers this week?
29 Posted 12/01/2022 at 11:11:40
Whether Ancelotti gets credit for that I don't know - but I do think Ancelotti was at least partly responsible for him tailing off by (a) buying Godfrey, who was never going to be a good partner for Holgate and (b) playing him at RB rather than CB for long stretches.
A player who might have kicked on as a CB therefore found his chances very limited.
You are probably right that Ancelotti's increasingly 'on the back foot' tactics made it harder for him to shine too.
I bundle him up with Iwobi and Gomes and now Digne as people with ability but have stopped looking like they enjoy their football with us. Having lost their oomph and sense of purpose, might be best just to let them go and move on.
30 Posted 12/01/2022 at 11:16:16
31 Posted 12/01/2022 at 12:28:01
That said, a loan is ridiculous, we need fee's, there must be someone out there that wants him for £5-10 million?
While we are at it let's find permanent suitors for Tosun (another that badly needs removing off the wage bill) and end the contact of the waste of a dressing room hanger that's known as Fabian Delph.
32 Posted 12/01/2022 at 13:25:47
33 Posted 12/01/2022 at 13:32:16
"fair" 😂😂 book me through my agent I'm here all week.
34 Posted 12/01/2022 at 13:49:28
35 Posted 12/01/2022 at 14:14:24
Just hope his computer list of 3000 is up to date and doesn't include those positions reasonably well stocked which seem to be goalkeeper, full back, central defence and wingers at least for now. Other than Longstaff any ideas on his midfield?
36 Posted 12/01/2022 at 14:18:10
Picking up on your post @26 and the comment about some now raving about Gordon. Not sure what's wrong with that. I'm glad people are raving about him even if unsure a year or so ago. He did need to improve aspects of his work rate, physicality and dare I say, attitude. All common traits with young players as they develop.
With young players, it's always difficult to predict how they will turn out. Some thought Barkley and Rodwell were going to be world beaters. Others didn't rate Calvert-Lewin. There was near hysteria around Cadamateri. We thought Kenny was the long-term solution to the right back berth. You just can never tell.
Only the benefit of hindsight proves those opinions right or wrong, but it doesn't stop people praising or criticising at the time on a match by match basis. None of us are the Evertonian equivalent of Mystic Meg or Septic Peg. It's easy to say "told you so" either way several years later.
Gordon is coming along nicely and has justifiably received praise for his recent performances. But he's still developing, so let's hope he gets managed correctly to realise the full potential and be a future star for Everton.
37 Posted 12/01/2022 at 15:01:10
And the Rafalution WILL be televised. I get the feeling it's not going to be dull from now to May 22nd.
38 Posted 12/01/2022 at 17:04:24
39 Posted 12/01/2022 at 17:48:07
And so little commitment. Even his most passionate supporter here (above) was moved to concede a few weeks ago that Holgate just doesn't care very much.
Your comment about his awful passing highlights another point. Even had he committed to fulfilling his potential and became as good as he could have been, Holgate was never going to be more than a strictly defensive CB in a modern world that values attacking skills he utterly lacks. Mason can't carry out of the back, can't pass, can't get into the box and score with his head even occasionally. At one point I thought he might develop some playmaking ability... I remember him laying in a perfect through ball for DCL to score a few years ago. Turned out to be a fluke... it never happened again.
40 Posted 12/01/2022 at 18:47:18
41 Posted 12/01/2022 at 20:56:51
He's contracted thru June 2025. Looking up his per week wages shows widely different rates; from his old contract 25k per rate (which I'd doubt), 37k, 45k, 63, k, and even 70k (these last two, I'd hope the Club isn't paying him AND a 5-year contract).
So, taking 50k as a rough average, Mason is owed about 9 million for this and three more seasons. Maybe quite a bit more, maybe somewhat less.
Think this will be a sticking point regarding any fee we get and his agents negotiations with a new club.
He's 26 next October. Like Iwobi, Kenny and include Barkley at that age, what we're seeing is all we're going to get.
42 Posted 12/01/2022 at 21:18:23
43 Posted 13/01/2022 at 09:09:10
If Allan is going, I'd be giving Holgate a shot in that role.
44 Posted 13/01/2022 at 11:19:54
45 Posted 13/01/2022 at 11:51:56
46 Posted 13/01/2022 at 22:13:06
47 Posted 13/01/2022 at 22:29:05
48 Posted 14/01/2022 at 07:05:14
That way he would inevitably come back to us ! :-)
49 Posted 14/01/2022 at 07:46:06
I would imagine that aside from one or two performances, over time, he would be getting slated. Not a midfielder for me.
I think the thinking here leans more towards him being more suited in a defence that can play higher up the pitch. I think he'd play better in a 3, but I've said that earlier.
50 Posted 14/01/2022 at 08:51:42
I think he has limitations in centre of defence particularly in handling crosses. At full back he can do the job but not sure he can get to oppositions end line to deliver god crosses. Hence I would like to see him tried in the Allen role. I do see some qualities and do believe it is the best place to channel his aggression.
51 Posted 14/01/2022 at 10:15:49
I don't think trying him in another position is the solution. A lack of regular position for him has become part of the problem.
52 Posted 14/01/2022 at 11:23:05
Even improving players is beyond their reach. King after a year at Everton looked 100 times fitter, when he turned out against Everton after two months in the Summer at Watford( no chance with Rondon then). Holgate, Digne, drifted from previously good performances. Many players look to drift to a recognisable Finch Farm level rather than NSNO Everton level.
53 Posted 14/01/2022 at 11:43:16
1. Some players like King are bought in without the manager's blessing. There's no role for them in the team. That's a function of powers at be pulling in different directions. Unfortunately we may see it with El Ghazi.
2. Some players lose their sparkle over time. I think that happens because it's hard to stay motivated if you're not competing for anything. I think that happened to Digne a bit. That's a function of playing for one of only 2 sides in league football who have won nothing (including promotion) since 1995. The other is Oldham.
That's why I think we should focus very hard on cup competitions. The players need to know they are trying to win something
54 Posted 14/01/2022 at 11:51:13
He hasn't had the benefit of playing for Manchester United and picking up medals for his efforts, but a bit of a Phil Neville?
Who, let's face it, lived in the shadow of his brother and the other "Fergie's Fledglings". Got moved around the pitch like a subbutteo player, could never make a position his own but was a managers dream.
55 Posted 14/01/2022 at 11:51:42
56 Posted 14/01/2022 at 12:08:29
57 Posted 14/01/2022 at 12:33:59
What if you are highly motivated who joined what appeared to be a newly rich club with great ambition - then found yourself with repeated mid-table finishes, deteriorating quality of players around you, lack of focus on cups etc.
It creates a club level environment which saps away at motivation and creates a very comfortable environment. Almost uniquely comfortable at Everton.
58 Posted 14/01/2022 at 17:22:25
Very good points. I understand the need for a short term winning post. I have employed that strategy myself.
I have gone out of my way to get to grips with Finch Farm, I admit from a distance, helped by those with local knowledge. I find a very sophisticated structure with alot of up to date thinking, but a lack of performance accountability.
Maybe footballers now have a short life cycle explaining the fall of in motivation you explain. Six years of differing Managers has not helped. But basic football errors are more to do with commitment to training imo a nd the attitude of trainers. .
Apparently Bernard has recently revealed that there were problems in the dressing room regarding attitude. Maybe the modern day highly paid footballer is not so easy to talk to.
I would be interested how you see this?
59 Posted 15/01/2022 at 07:18:47
In any organisation, or walk of life as you put it, if there is a culture of acceptance and resignation, that will breed and spread; human beings tend to fit in to the culture or they leave.
I know football is a slightly different beast, but that's a pretty good call in my opinion.
60 Posted 15/01/2022 at 10:07:13
61 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:45:08
Maybe if Burnley sell Tarkowsky to the skunks they will take Keane back. He suits their style of play.
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