Juventus balk at Everton's demands for Beto

I just read on one of our other threads that Coventry wanted $20M up front for Gyökeres which, at the time we couldn't afford and he passed us by.

Then we splash $25M on Beto. Hmm…

We got Beto for nothing at the time.

Payment was deferred one year. Hmm.

As usual, we sign a striker and don't play to his strengths. Beto likes the ball played on the floor in front of him so he can run onto it, just see his goal against Newcastle last season.

But we just play harmless balls forward in the hope something happens. I guarantee no striker would score goals in this team under Dour Dyche and his terrible tactics.

Paul,

Gyökeres chose sporting over us.

Thelwell was in the mix for him. If only eh?

You're right, Mike. We spent £0 on Beto last season. The fee (£22.5M) was deferred until this summer.

I think the only money we actually shelled out last summer were loan fees for Danjuma and Harrison and the £1.75M down payment for Chermiti.

Makes you wonder why they are after Beto, when they could pick Calvert-Lewin up for next to nothing, or sign him on a pre-contract agreement.

I would give Beto more game time, play to his strengths along the floor and stop playing Calvert-Lewin, his body language is wrong and all we are doing is keeping him fit for his next club,

Stick him in the U21s and promote one of the youngsters to the first team. Either Martin Sherif or Omari Benjamin has to be a better option than 2 goalkeepers on the bench or the current Calvert-Lewin situation.

Next up, it will be Galatasaray – or some other Turkish club –wanting him on loan for no fee, and offering £12 million at season end (which they won't pay anyway).

If Calvert-Lewin and his agent are agitating for him to move in January, then best for all concerned that he can leave on a moderate fee, and we take our chances with Beto, Broja (when fit) and Chermiti, with the addition of a pacy, right-sided, wide player or wing back to improve service from the flanks?

If there is no money due to PSR, then think of ways we can more ably get service in to the forwards we have?

We have been in the mix for Gyökeres, Kudus and Minteh to name just three, but did not have the money to get the deals over the line.

Offering to pay on the drip only gets you a Beto.

Pleae can someone at the club teach Calvert-Lewin how to lift the ball on a one-to-one with a spreadeagling goalkeeper on his way out to block him? How often does he hit it at the almost prone keeper?

For those old enough remember, watch Trevor Stevens scoring against Pfaff of Bayern Munich!

That's what great scorers do and, when they do, keepers take note and are then in doubt about rushing out!

Regarding Beto wanting the ball on the floor, in my opinion, his first touch is so poor and direct, he definitely can't hold the ball up.

Why can't Dyche try him beside Calvert-Lewin, instead of swapping them, especially when we need a goal?

You can't play 2 up front in Dyche's dynamic flat back 10 system.

Christy # 10,

What does the rest of the formation look like if Calvert-Lewin and Beto play up top together?

Last 10 minutes if we're desperate, yes… but it's hard to think of a double-act like those two playing for a successful side in the past 15 to 20 years.

(ps: Please don't say Leicester – Okazaki and Vardy were absolutely nothing like our two.)

Robert #12,

My point was that it made no sense in two games to take off Calvert-Lewin and play Beto and Keane upfront.

Also, against West Ham, taking off Dom who was playing well, and leaving Doucoure who was poor beside Beto?

"taking off Dom who was playing well" Really???

Guys, I think we need to stop bigging up Calvert-Lewin, he's not the hot properly some seem to think he is. Yes, he can be very good in the air, but shooting and as we've seen 1:1s?

I'll be very surprised if any reasonable offer arrives in January.

Whatever happens next season, we need regular goalscorers up front. I'm sure I'm not the only one sick to death of negative goal difference and no goals. Season after season.

Dyche tried Beto and Calvert-Lewin together against Luton last season. It failed miserably. They got in each other's way.

Moreover, two up front leaves the midfield light unless you squeeze the play with a very high line which we can't do owing to a lack of pace. If we had two pacy wingbacks, we could conceivably play a 3-5-2… but we don't.

So now our new hope is that Broja will be the answer.

Surely, regardless of who we have up front, a big part of any question re our lack of goals has to be bringing in a coach who has some tactical nouse, combined with a desire to actually win games.

Christy,

I thought that Beto's first touch was pretty impressive for his disallowed goal against Southampton? His finish was equally as impressive! Not sure why he gets so much hate when he really hasn't been given much of a chance.

Calvert-Lewin isn't and won't ever be an answer – the guy had one good season, that's it.

Genuinely interested to hear what formation you think Dyche would play once/if Broja is fit. Unless I'm wrong, he's not a target man, so are we actually going to try and pass the ball on the deck?

I think Broja's quite quick with good feet as well as being tall but he's not a hold-up guy. I can see him linking well with Ndiaye assuming the ball is being passed around the deck and not hoofed upfield by Pickford.

Once fit, it will be interesting, especially if Calvert-Lewin continues his barren spell.

Albeit we may well never find out if Dyche is out in a few weeks time. Sounds like there's little chance of Broja getting minutes this month.

It really is the lesser of four evils with Beto, Calvert-Lewin, Chermiti and Broja. None of them have regularly scored goals at the top level. Not a natural finisher amongst them.

A slap in the face vs a £50 fine.

Beto would have to be the worst striker we have bought in a while. Yes, he scored a header from 10 yards out but he has missed a lot of sitters and one-on-ones. We have had worse but at least they scored goals in weaker Everton teams.

Same as Chermiti, I never understood this buy; we paid I believe over £10M for him who has never impressed. At the time, we had better young strikers but we sold them and replaced them with this crap.

Calvert-Lewin is just going through the motions; as soon as Broja is available, he should sit on the bench for a while — and please don't offer him a new contract. Everton stood by this guy, he hasn't returned the favour.

Calvert-Lewin seems to have become an “almost there” player. He certainly puts in a shift and, at times, shows a really good turn of pace. But there is no end product, unfortunately.
Time for us to make changes up front and in the supply line.

We are too slow in transition and widening in attack. Too often the players are too close together and appear to run into or turn in to one another. Leaves good passing opportunities in very short supply.

People moan about Dyche being a footballing dinosaur…

And then complain that he's not playing a formation that died with Wimbledon.

Udinesse are owned by the same family who have Watford. Any of their decent players end up there and are then sold on for a profit once they prove they can cut it in England.

The fact Beto didn't move to Vicarage Road speaks volumes and should have been a massive hint to Thelwell to avoid bringing him in….

Reports from Italy that Roma want Beto and Doucoure. Coincidence or what?

Yes, Rob – I just saw that on BBC Sport.

Interesting.

Rob I suppose this is just some journalist trying to make 2 + 2.

However if there is substance to the story and to the well documented rumours of Sarri waiting in the wings then I doubt Roma could afford to sign both outright.(FFP purposes)

They have 2 young exciting wingers especially Matthias Soule a young Argentine who plays on the right (left footer) who scored 11 goals on loan in Series A last season but isn't yet a regular for Roma.

I could see Sarri liking Lindstrom and Soule as options for the right wing both having flexibility to cut inside. Perhaps a straight swap for Beto with both their prices inflated for FFP to give them wriggle room for further investment.Roma also have a talented young Polish left winger in Zeleiwski who is also not a regular at present.

Both our players could improve them also.

Neither Beto nor Dom are good enough to link play. That's why he doesn't play the two of them upfront together.

A fit Chermiti or Broja would change the available options because they are capable of finding a killer pass or linking forward play.

Both Dom and Beto can score goals but they are much better running onto a cross or through ball.

I don't understand why we don't put more quick crosses in and attack the front post. Both appear to hide behind the centre-back.