The Loop site is without doubt the best site for Everton?s new stadium. If the board fail to exploit this option, they will all be accountable for committing an unprecedented travesty to all fans of Everton Football Club. This will be explained shortly, but, firstly, why should we discount the forcing out of EFC to Kirkby?
It's not easy to summarise what it means to us to be part of this club, but I can safely say that I understand all that Everton means to me and my family, even if I can?t always express it. Part of my fabric as an Everton fans tells me that, before reviewing the stadium relocation in any detail, it just doesn?t feel right to even consider the plan to go to Kirkby. I would feel a great sense of loss and know that most Evertonians would feel cheapened if we are forced into a ground move that is effectively hollow, removed and quite possibly commercially destructive ? it could seriously damage the future status of our club.
And before any Kirkby "Yes" voters say, "there?s no alternative," well, firstly, don?t panic. There may not be one on the table today by the club, but there is a very real alternative and with the right level of commitment by the club over the coming months they will champion it too ? we will all embrace a site in the heart of Everton that could also be a co-financed move. We have waited almost a decade to decide on where to go, is 6 months going to hurt you? I fully support the "No" to Kirkby vote now, and will vote "Yes" to a move that suits the fan base in a few months.
If the board proves it is not conscientious, or if it is not a professional outfit, then perhaps Kirkby is the only choice, but I challenge them to prove that they are professional and would like to give them a chance to prove that after a "No" vote they still have the means to think beyond the desires of a retail giant.
At the moment that?s what is happening, we are being forced to support the desires of a retail giant.
At present, because it is so straight-forward to move to Kirkby we are being moulded to feel it?s the only way to go. It is for that reason that I cannot stomach the flippant comparisons being made between the proposed Kirkby stadium and Old Trafford?s location in Manchester. By making that comparison, Mr Wyness is just appearing 1. new, 2. naïve and 3. obnoxious, particularly by saying this on our website (not his) and preaching to the unconvertible.
Those who know a bit of local geography know that Kirkby is perceived as a much further distance from the centre of our city in comparison to the sports grounds that surround Manchester, and they also know that Manchester is in effect a circle and Liverpool an elongated conurbation so there is an awful lot of soulless green space between the Pier Head and Kirkby central! Much more relevant too, is that Old Trafford is a Manchester United fan's spiritual home. How can Mr Wyness, who however much he tries to sound like one of us, think that his quotes will help his cause. (By the way he supports Southampton and Aberdeen). He just shows a sincere lack of professionalism and understanding here.
A factual point that cannot be disputed is that Kirkby is not just beyond the city boundaries of Liverpool, its' beyond the city?s suburb boundaries. It is its own town, completely removed from our city and it has nothing to do with Everton Football Club. If Evertonians wish to have a Wigan Derby then vote "Yes" to the move, otherwise it remains completely logical to not be pressured, vote NO.
Enough negative psychology by the board?
The Loop Site ? It's an Open Goal
Here follow 15 reasons why a move to Scotland Road?s Loop is critical to Everton?s future, and why it has to be urgently considered as the new ?only option? for our new ground:
- Directors Duty: (note to Kenwright and Wyness):
Great work has begun at the Loop ? in so far as the site owners, Bestway, have put forward a plan to develop this unique location into a football stadium. It is in Everton. They have started an initiative to bring a plan to the board. That means it is a real opportunity, black and white. This point alone means it cannot in any way be ignored by the Directors of EFC. It is the legal and moral duty of a football club Director to operate in the fans? best interests and we are a fanbase painfully hoping that our new stadium is within the city.
- It is geographically feasible:
The geographic scale of the land site for both a stadium and a handful of peripheral commercial buildings is ideal. This means once again that we can incorporate other developer ? partners alongside Bestway and our own stadium financing plan.
The central location puts us firmly at the forefront of football and commerce in Liverpool city centre. We can not only be proud of a home ground at this location but its setting in an ever-developing, dynamic city centre means it will be seen as part of the modern blueprint (sorry!) in a commercially progressive city.
- Tesco are the driving force behind Kirkby:
This may be the most relevant point of them all. By aggressively exploiting this opportunity at The Loop, and making it happen, Kenwright can prove that he is a different type of businessman than the one many see him currently to be. At present it seems he is far too hip-joined with the Tesco CEO and it all feels a bit too shady. Like everyone he appears to do business with, he counts Leahy as a close personal friend; you don?t have to be the cleverest Evertonian to know that the Kirkby move is unfortunately one of utter convenience for the two.
It seems very pre-mediated and driven from a Tesco standpoint - that alone is enough for the No vote.
Kenwright self-confesses to working with ?great pals? and ?mates? and like most of us who operate at (perhaps slightly) lower rungs of the commercial ladder, he is susceptible to taking the short cut or the easy route to getting things done. If there was much less at stake, fine, take the easy route because it?s a bit quicker, life?s pretty short and you only live once etc.
However when it involves the total displacement and undermining of Everton Football Club, the easy route is not good enough, nor remotely acceptable. It is neither responsible nor best practice. If he and the man who seems to be fronting the project (K. Wyness) could prove that they are up for the hard work of delivering a central city stadium, then they deserve to stay in their incumbent positions. If they do not look at The Loop as a very viable option, their resignations will be demanded by the thousands who have a stake in the club.
- Not being beaten:
Liverpool FC?s recent unveiling of their own plans really has put a ?now beat that? message to us. If it hasn?t, it should have. With our budgets we may never build a stadium quite so contemporary nor quite so big and we need not do either, but Mr Kenwright, don?t underestimate Location in a two-club city. A Loop-based stadium will be far more evident to most of the city. Plus, just imagine this scenario, ? if Liverpool fail with their planning permission for a much larger capacity stadium at Stanley Park, guess what, they may well look at the Loop.
- Club?s Status and Image:
By developing at this unrivalled site we can be one-up on Liverpool FC. The nation?s visiting supporter (100,000 fans per season) will identify Everton?s ground as the sporting architecture in the heart of the city. Where else do you put the home of the People?s club?
We will fill our stadium if we stay central. We will retain 100% of the indigenous fanbase we currently have and attract a new crowd that feel happy with visiting a ground that is more fan- friendly (the stadium effect). No risk of pockets of empty seats. Moving to Kirkby however, is likely to be a large embarrassment because on telly our national and international image will be one of a club that cannot draw a decent gate.
Personal Footnote: as a London-based blue, who has done some canvassing on the trains with fellow Virgin super-savers at the end of last season, I know for a fact that the extra 40 mins or so each way to Kirkby at the end of the Lime Street journey ? at best because road congestion is predicted to be drastic! ? will prove a big time and cost barrier to many of the 900 or so Blues using this route to home games.
The road system at Scotty supports the capacity of a 50,000 stadium. There is actually better access here than the Kirkby site would have. Imagine the queuing off the motorway and singular A road at Kirkby? Anyone been to Reading away recently?
By re-locating within the city the club will also maintain its matchday ?walk-up? crowd which Everton can boast as the biggest in the Premiership. This crowd is lost with the Kirkby move, and all those walkers (thank god for spell-check) will become drivers and that?s not a jam I want to be in form the city centre!
- Earning power:
It is a no-brainer that revenues will be higher when operating a stadium in the centre of a large city than one in a rural part of Merseyside. The Loop?s unbeatable position within the city will give Everton the kudos to really sell ourselves in the future as the team at the heartbeat of the city, to both commercial prospects, matchday corporate sponsors, corporate season ticket holders and even players considering joining the club.. they are human!.
- Being proud of our club:
The Loop is a real destination. Visible from all parts of the centre, the first thing seen from the tunnel, and ?down the road? from Scouser?s front doors. Something all fans will hold dear to them with pride.
The marketing people at the club, if they so wish, will be able continue to play off the Peoples Club mantra (which I personally think is slightly over-used) and moreover we Evertonians will feel we have a stake in a stadium that operates on the doorstep of the people that love the club so dearly. It made me chuckle to see ?The People?s Club? emblazoned across the architect?s impression of the Kirkby stadium ? note to Wyness: Moyes was referring to blue shirts on the streets of Liverpool not Kirkby! Who signed these designs off?
- Loss of identity:
Kirkby ensures this. I strongly believe that Evertonians will not be held to ransom and end up being a fan base ridiculed for its new routes. Let's not walk into this one, this may never happen but imagine if we were 1-0 down to Derby with 2 minutes to go and there were away chants of ?you?re just a small town in Wigan? ? it?ll hurt beyond belief! It's been bad enough trying to regain the credibility on the pitch over the last decade, if we lost our off-pitch identity what do we have?
- Football clubs progress but stay true to their roots:
A new stadium at Scotland Road will be within our original birthplace as a football club and therefore aspirational to current and future generations of Blues. Imagine the difficulty of maintaining let alone extending Everton?s fan base through future generations if we are out of site and mind of our heritage. If we had a bad league run our fan base would erode at dramatic pace.
- LCC will support it:
Yes finally! We have been assured that the Loop programme will get the right sort of momentum from local government and anything we submit now will have to get positive council support, as they know that after everything they have done with Stanley Park, LCC will be seen as supporting only one of the city?s clubs if they proved stubborn in any way.
- Today I LOVE Goodison Park.
The Loop site will have a soul as well as a purpose and could fill the Goodison void ? I can see how we will truly LOVE it.
We will not ever LOVE a Kirkby stadium. We may even HATE a Kirkby stadium.
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1 Posted 05/08/2007 at 06:13:03
2 Posted 05/08/2007 at 07:49:45
3 Posted 05/08/2007 at 08:30:55
4 Posted 05/08/2007 at 08:36:17
5 Posted 05/08/2007 at 08:44:46
6 Posted 05/08/2007 at 08:40:27
7 Posted 05/08/2007 at 08:22:09
Having said that, there are three points you could have used here to support the Loop over Kirky, two of which relate back to other points in the article, but I think it’s worth pointing them out to highlight why the board have to seriously investigate the Loop option.
- It is self-evident that the Loop site provides greater potential for increasing turnover through non-match day activities. While business in Kirkby is growing, it has nothing like the level of business activity present in the centre of Liverpool, nor will it for the forseeable future. Ongoing and future redevelopment plans for the city centre will only increase this. Bottom line, a Loop Stadium will bring in more money than Kirkby.
- Regardless of the final outcome of the vote, it is clear to all of us that a large number of our
fanscustomer base will be disaffected and upset by the move. Keith Wyness claims we will attract new fans from the Lancashire area (whilst perversely also claiming that Kirkby will be within the ’Liverpool City Region’ whatever that is!), butwe don’t actually know that these potential fans will become real ones or not until they actually start turning up and supporting the team. If they don’t, the business will have deliberately and knowingly discarded a portion of their most loyal customers. How is that beneficial to the shareholders?
- Although the board have no legal responsibility, I do believe they have a moral responsibility to the fans.
If you haven’t guessed already, I agree with you 100%, but given some of the debate on this and other sites over the last couple of weeks, if I didn’t point out the issue in point 1, I could imagine someone in the ’yes’ camp using it to trash your whole article. So other than that, 10/10, well done in articulating the argument so thoroughly.
8 Posted 05/08/2007 at 09:16:56
9 Posted 05/08/2007 at 09:43:37
None of this aricle makes any sense.
Maybe English isn’t your first language, to me it makes some valid points very coherently (before you get too upset, imagine a little smiley winking face after the first part of that sentence).
What is Bestway are they a charitable organisation who are going to give the loop to EFC for nothing. Are they not at all interested in profit. Why are we so scared to get involved with one of the most profitable companies Tesco.
Replace Bestway with Tesco and the Loop with Kirkby, and think about it a little. If Tesco are getting something out of Kirkby, is it impossible that Bestway see an opportunity to get the same out of the Loop? On the other hand, if you’re so sure Bestway can’t help themselves while helping Everton, how can you believe that Tesco can?
Better that than relying on some Americans who have a baseball team.
I didn’t realise Bestway are already involved in sport in the states. Oh, you mean LFC’s new owners - what the hell has that got to do with anything?
Wyness and Kenwright have shown themselves to be great businessmen.
Now you’re just being silly. Do just a little bit of digging into Wyness’ background and you’ll realise just how wrong you are and if Kenwright is such a great businessman, why has he sat on his hands for the past 13 years (yes, he’s been on the board that long) and not done
anything to improve Goodison in that time? The last redevelopment at Goodison paid for by the club was the Main Stand in the mid-seventies (the Park End was built on the cheap with money from the Football Foundation). Throughout that time, other clubs have redeveloped their grounds to bring them up to date and provide better facilities. Everton haven’t even though many fans and shareholders have repeatedly said the ground needed to be redeveloped for the long term health of the club.
If you get Tesco on board rather than Bestway who nobody has heard of.
You criticise the original poster for not making any sense, but where is this sentence going?
If Liverpool want the loop they will outbid EFC and we will end up with nothing.
Liverpool already have planning approval for Stanley Park, they’ve submitted an amended proposal, but they are far too far down that route now to want to switch to a new location and start again. This is about Everton Football Club, not our neighbours.
We will still be the peoples club. The peoples club is not just about Liverpool City Council. If EFC can not compete with its rivals they will become the peoples club to fewer and fewer people.
The peoples’ club thing is absolutely nothing to do with LCC, but the context of Moyes’ original remark is that on the streets of the city he saw more blue shirts than red, more Evertonians than Kopites. It’s not a national thing, or even a regional thing. He was talking about the City of Liverpool being more blue than red. Personally I think it’s about 50/50, but either way that soundbite has been overused in the most toe-curling way - I bet even Davey regrets it sometimes now.
I think KEIOC is a slightly conservative reactionary group who can not face up to change. I would love to stay at Goodison for ever but life ain?t what it used to be.
I think KEIOC are mostly Everton fans like the ones I mentioned earlier who have been pushing and pushing at the club to redevelop Goodison for the last 15 years. These are forward thinking people who have the long-term health of the club at heart. Many of them will have children who they are bringing up as Evertonians. They probably want their kids to see Everton be successful and win trophies as they have seen the club do in their lifetime. Their level of commitment to the club, the ideas and plans for the future that they’ve brought to the table suggest to me that they are well able to "face up to change". Indeed they want change, they just have a particular idea about what kind of change is best for Everton Football Club. You may disagree, that’s fine, but don’t deride them for trying to make a difference.
Do we want to miss out on an opportunity due to inertia and fear of change.
Do we want to make a decision which will help define the club for the next 50-100 years without fully exploring all the potential options?
10 Posted 05/08/2007 at 10:01:11
11 Posted 05/08/2007 at 09:48:02
- and by pay for this i dont mean taking on 150-200million worth of debt which will depleat any additional revenue from the improved facilities/capacity for the next 50 years in repayments.
Kirkby offers us the opportunity to move to an improved stadia for peanuts.
Or would you move your own home 4 miles down the road if it meant you would live in a huge house for next to nothing? - with the result being more disposable income for you to enjoy life, live it to the fullest .. or maybe you’d prefer to live nearer your own town center and live in poverty for the rest of your life because you simply struggle to pay the mortgage - let alone have the money to "keep up with the jones’ next door"
Before moving your OWN home you have to ask yourself - can i afford this bigger pad.
The same thing applies, can Everton afford a move anywhere other than Kirkby? .. Sadly i feel we all know the answer is No.
There are some very strong points there, and it would be great to be able to move there, im sure if we had the money BK would be the first onboard with your ideas! The simple fact is everything comes with a price, we need to weigh up the pro’s and con’s of each. and frankly i dont want to see us going down the route of Leeds because weve stretched ourselves to financial meltdown.
Increase the revenue through Kirkby and hell, who knows in 30 or 40 yrs time once the additional cash has generated cup winning sides with the finances to compete in the transer market with any club in the PL, maybe we will be sat here discussing the pro’s and con’s of moving once again to "the loop", "Were coming home" some may say .. with our bank account bulging and the finances to build possibly the worlds most impressive stadium.
I cant vote, but if i could, id vote Yes, and i’d look forward to seeing Moyes competing in the transfer market with the additional funds created from kirkby - not offset to make repayments, or repair goodison for the next 10yrs while other sites are argued about.. Maybe then the glory days of our past will return.
12 Posted 05/08/2007 at 10:45:08
The Loop project will be paid for in the same way as kirkby with Bestway contributing in return for reciveing land adjacent and getting planning permission to develop residential / office / leisure facilities.
Also Naming rights will be far higher for the loop stadium because of its prominant position...
Furthermore Bestway plan to work with EFC to develop GP (for housing or retail) rather than selling it therfore making more profit from the site.
13 Posted 05/08/2007 at 10:38:58
To that end, I am willing to pledge £100 towards the cost of printing this article and to volunteer my services (between 1p.m. and 3p.m.)in distributing said article to supporters before the Wigan game on Saturday. I would urge any other Toffeeweb readers who consider that the article needs to be seen by as wide a readership as possible to make a similar pledge now before the opportunity to act passes us by.
The Toffeeweb team have our contact e-mail addresses and might be persuaded to co-ordinate the collection of monies and duties on Saturday in the interests of balancing the argument for and against re-location to Kirkby.
I do not work for Bestways or the LCC. I am not eligible to vote (having abandoned my season ticket during the Rooney Summer) and am not attending the Wigan match but I am prepared to offer some of my time (as a leaflet distributor) and a little money in order to ensure that as many people as possible see that ther might be alternatives to Kirkby.
14 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:08:37
15 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:16:44
Tesco vs Bestways..? seems like a no-brainer to me.
Liverpool City Council will ALWAYS put L.F.C over E.F.C.
The loop is a ’convenient’ back yard to appease ’Lazy’ Evertonians who can’t be arsed travelling three or four miles to support their club.
They call The Everton Board ’liars..cheats and incompetents.. they complain about change..and cannot see a great deal when it’s put on a silver platter in front of them..
The Loop is NOT an option, it would be an expensive compromise to appease misguided Romantics..that would surely Sink the club.
The writing is on the wall if you all persist with this nonsense.
16 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:17:32
VOTE NO TO KIRKBY!
17 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:39:03
Is’nt funny how the majority of fans championing the move to Kirkby are based outside of Liverpool??
If the loop proves a greater financial burden on the club than Kirkby then so be it.. it is worth it!
This is not even about keeping Everton in our city.. Kirkby is Liverpool... The Loop vs Kirkby Town Centre is a no brainer!
Located in the heart of the city, the floodlights visible from Lime Street, the crown audible from the city centre!
Vote No to Kirkby!
18 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:56:18
Are they afraid of visits from the KEIOC? This is another body to which I do not belong but have some sympathy for as they, too, are trying to widen the debate.
19 Posted 05/08/2007 at 11:46:34
20 Posted 05/08/2007 at 12:05:59
Also the loop is not that near the city centre. It’s a mile or two (at least) so it’s not that easy for everyone to walk from the stations.
Finally, I went past there yesterday on my way into the tunnel and the site appears to have one access road and is not that big. Put a staium on it and there is very little room for anything else.
Oh, and before anyone starts on the "people who support Kirkby live outside Liverpool" I live in Fazakerly.
21 Posted 05/08/2007 at 12:17:36
Right so we know we’re only possibly going to get a stadium the quality of the Kirkby one because Bestway arn’t a charity- they’re a cash ’n carry much smaller than evertonian led Tesco.
That poster who earlier said that Liverpool may go for the loop if they can’t get Stanley Park, well 1) They WILL get Stanley Park - their new application is still for only 60,000 with a significant tweak (steely tweak) here and there and a bigger kop and 2) They won’t want the loop as it’s less than half the size of their new site - a reason too why we shouldn’t and won’t consider it. Finally the council is full of RS embedded in it, cllr Bradley was acting on his own behalf as an evertonian when he proposed the site not on behalf of the council, there’s no way the planners and nearby residents will entertain a football stadium there so near the well advanced project Jennifer re-generation plan.
Anyway i’m very optimistic that all this debate will be seen as ’bluster’ in a couple of weeks.
22 Posted 05/08/2007 at 12:29:11
If any of you ever visit Sydney, please contact the Everton Supporters Club here as I would like to buy you a pint.
23 Posted 05/08/2007 at 12:07:05
24 Posted 05/08/2007 at 13:13:08
Alternatives encompass suitable site, and funding. A site is only as useful as it can be funded.
Rather than using the Island as a vote spoiler, it would have been more useful if LCC had come up with some concrete proposals a lot more than 3 months ago.
25 Posted 05/08/2007 at 13:39:49
Why should they not allow postings from Evertonians not willing to post their own name?
For the purpose of this board..i am Blue in Bolton..an Evertonian.
Do i fear a visit from the KEIOC..?
Can’t be sure... judging by some of the idiotic antics some people claiming to represent them have got up to ..i.e Showing hooligan videos to the people of Kirby.
Hillbillyish references to ’Woolybacks’ etc etc..
R.E Robbie Muldoon
You say..If the loop turns out to be a bigger financial burden to the club, then so be it, it’s worth it..
I say...I rest my case..idiocy complete idiocy.
26 Posted 05/08/2007 at 13:58:05
It’s easy to propound solutions, but less so to back it up with facts re costing, logistics and the like. Anyone who thinks that Kenwright and Co would sell Everton down the gurgler to save their own necks is either delusional or naive.
Stagnation and intertia is the Blue’s surefire ticket to footballing oblivion, & whilst all have the club’s welfare at heart, some of the methodologies leave a lot to be desired....
27 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:27:39
28 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:18:38
29 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:29:53
the majority of matchday fans enjoy going to the pub and walking to the ground, you only have to approach the ground from county road to appreciate that the majority of fans are walkers. You run the risk of losing this majority in kirkby as you either have to rely on someone being a designated driver or public transport which lets be honest is shite!
30 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:21:40
31 Posted 05/08/2007 at 15:06:12
If you want to become a refugee then vote yes, if you want to stay within your homeland vote no to kirby.
32 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:53:35
33 Posted 05/08/2007 at 14:59:42
Excellent summary of the pro-loop case, once I got past point 1.
I know it’s a fan’s letter but if I hadn’t read past the duff and distracting sales pitch that preceded the list I wouldn’t have gotten to the valid stuff.
If you are trying to slag off ground locations United isn’t the ground to compare, City is.
oh yes, and...
[quote]there is an awful lot of [b]soulless green space[/b] between the Pier Head and Kirkby central! [/quote]
You don’t have to drive through the safari park
Crow-flies-wise the pier head is 3 miles from Goodison, Kirkby 4 miles not much difference.... you’ve obviously never walked the route after the Asha kicked out..
34 Posted 05/08/2007 at 15:24:05
35 Posted 05/08/2007 at 16:32:23
36 Posted 05/08/2007 at 16:21:50
"Also the loop is not that near the city centre. It?s a mile or two (at least) so it?s not that easy for everyone to walk from the stations".
The Loop is; 0.72miles to St Johns Tower, 0.69miles to Lime Street, 0.98miles to the Liver Building. Incidently, two miles from The Loop gets you; well into Toxteth, beyond Edge Hill, (and as the crow flies - to Birkenhead).
All measurements taken from Google Earth.
37 Posted 05/08/2007 at 17:03:51
38 Posted 05/08/2007 at 17:32:25
So what then if the Loop once ’properly explored’ if not viable financially? where will that leave us? regretting the great deal at kirkby like we regret the great deal that was kings dock now?
Again, mostly emotive issue’s, most valid and agreeable but I fail to see any substance about financing the supposed Loop project from the people that matter.
The Loop’s 11th hour appearance smacks off LCC trying to cover base for after Kirkby happens and deflecting the inevitable criticism LCC will get for having everton leave "we offered them the loop" LCC will say - and people may buy into it wasnt LCC’s fault.
If the Loop is financially viable and achievable as a project then we need facts and figures, stadium designs, costing plan, business plan NOW. right now.
If its such a great opinion then surely these things should be given to Evertonians like myself who would vote no if a deliverable city option was available - again though, The Loop does not even exist as a plan B until plans, costing, stadium design and business plan are made public.
Everton are pretty much saying Kirkby is deliverable and a business plan is in place. If LCC want me to vote no I need proof this is not pie in the sky.
39 Posted 05/08/2007 at 18:18:45
40 Posted 05/08/2007 at 18:18:24
41 Posted 05/08/2007 at 19:36:21
Now i know why people are arsed about 4miles, their geography is shite!
42 Posted 05/08/2007 at 20:19:45
43 Posted 05/08/2007 at 20:27:23
Blue in Bolton, have you ever opened your eyes to the rathole on your doorstep.
It may make it easy for you to drive to Kirkby but were is your taste.
The premeirship needs clubs to stay to their roots or it is in danger of imploding. Without the fans in the grounds there is nothing to sell.
The Loop site would give us as said the opportunity to grab a large share of the corporate money due not only to its location, but the effects of a thriving City.
If it took ten years it would be worth the wait.
Kirkby is a non-starter and the NO VOTE is on bandwagon roll.
Take heed Bill, chase Wyness to fucking well where he came from and join the KEIOC campaign or hang your head in shame for eternity.
Leahy has become more than an advisor and is clouding your judgement.
Vote No, and watch the club go from strength to strength starting on the football field.
44 Posted 05/08/2007 at 21:24:08
45 Posted 05/08/2007 at 21:47:59
sometimes off my head with wine or beer. Be off my head even to consider the present proposals for Kirkby
46 Posted 05/08/2007 at 22:44:27
The Reebok Stadium..or rat-hole as you so call it, is’nt actually on my doorstep..it’s in Horwich.
Most Wanderers fans don’t appear to have a problem with it, and ’Bolton’ the Town has’nt collapsed into ruin because of Wanderers moving there.
The Kirby plans i’ve seen do not resemble Boltons set up at all as far as i can see, so that makes that argument redundant.
It would be easier for me to drive to Boltons games than Goodison or Kirby..but i don’t, i’m a blue.
How very dare you attack my taste because my opinion differs from yours. My vote (if i had one) would be for Kirby because of the benefits i can see for Everton Football Club in the short, and long term.
I see no benefit in sitting on our arses looking gift horses in the mouth for the sake of a few miles, and a few supporters whose pre match booze ups will be disadvantaged by the club daring to progress.
Its still Merseyside, for gods sake..get real.
47 Posted 05/08/2007 at 21:15:14
48 Posted 06/08/2007 at 01:00:23
See wording of ballot question. Also see Wyness quotes of saying the board will immediately end kirkby negotiations if a no vote is made.
Lets make this very clear, if we vote no then Kirkby wont happen ever,
you really think Tesco will leave a door open for us after we essentially throw the v’s at them? They cant give us a better deal than is on offer, financially its a gret deal.
Blues - I am as loyal and traditional as you all ..if not more so, believe me I have invested more time,money and emotion in Everton then most of you in more ways than one , I will vote yes to progressm yes to evolution and yes to giving us the best chance possible of bringing silverware back to Everton Football Club.
49 Posted 06/08/2007 at 10:45:43
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