The Next Step
By Max Levy
: 24/08/2007 : Comments
So the vote is cast, the ballot closed, the counting done, and a clear majority is shown to be in favour of a move.
I'm a Yes voter. Long before the "loop" supporters or KEIOC had anything to say on the matter (they did not exist six months ago), I had made my mind up. I said so on ToffeeWeb. The reason I've kept quiet since is because the debate has bordered on a slanging match, orchestrated by various factions who feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they get their own way in the end. It's goodbye democracy, hello mindless abuse for the opposite view.
I shuddered when I read today about the threats club officials have been subjected to. I shuddered when I read the ToffeeWeb headline suggesting that the vote did not necessarily give the club a mandate to proceed. People should remember ? do not vote at all if you're not prepared to abide by the result. The 11,000 missing voters are only responsible for themselves, and the club is certainly not responsible to them anymore.
This is democracy ladies and gentlemen. Or would you prefer anarchy ? a situation where anyone can do their own thing but everybody gets hurt. By all means continue to explore and develop the options, engage in sensible, adult conversation, but let nobody who voted call into question the club's legitimate right post-ballot, to proceed with what it thinks is best for our future.
And please, when you come to the table with your alternatives, don't forget your business plans.
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Could you claim that we as voters got completely impartial imformation from the board, if not how can you say this was true democracy when the information was so one sided, and only those who had access to the internet would have had a chance of finding any other imformation - democracy don’t be so easily swayed
Excellent article Max, being a southerner I didn’t get a vote and am glad in a way, because my heart says Goodison, my head says we need a new stadium and the financial package of Kirby is the best we could hope for. Not being a scouser I would still have liked to stay within Liverpool boundaries, but are those few miles really going to make such a difference?
What really gets me is the level of abuse between the ’yes’ and ’no’ camps. The recent senseless murder of a young ’blue’ should put all these arguments in perspective. In business I have been taught that you make a decision and then you make it the right decision. Let’s all move on together and make this the right decision for Everton Football Club.
What demands do you place on other forms of leisure facilities to provide financial information?
" hello is that the local swimming pool.... how much is it for a swim...... can you provide me with a costs/benefits analysis...."
As a counterpoint argument the tom huges proposal set out a fairly detailed costing which has been widely publicized yet it would appear that the majority of voters chose to ignore that proposal
The vote is over; the board will begin to explore the Kirkby proposal further, which doesn?t mean Kirkby is a definite
Over to you Mr. Bradley and if your looking for your arse, I?ll give you a clue you?re probably sat on it.
Here we go, here we go, here we go oooo, her we go, here we go, here we go ooo, here we go, here we go, here we go oo, of to Kirkby oooo !!!!
Well done to Everton Football Club for taking our club forward.
Well said Max, the mandate is there in place, the no voters dont matter, those who had a preference voted,thanks to our caring and considerate chairman who allowed us to vote even though we had no legal right, we dont own the club he does !!yet there are those who will not be happy with the democratic result arrived at today, however i hope this does not spark any anarchic measures to change or derail the plans for Kirkby. We really just do not know how lucky we are. Exciting times on the pitch with excellent aquisitions, a new state of the art training facilty and the chance to move to an exciting new stadium location in the future. We have never had it so good but there will always be those who say Christmas is humbug.
Gutted Blue,why should the board give impartial information when they weren’t impartial? They have made it clear from the start what they wanted but gave us a vote anyway! At the end of the day they think this deal is the best for the club and that there are no other offers currently so this is what they told us!
Never seen so many varied comments and agreed with them all. One extremely good point was made in that a) "The vote is over; the board will begin to explore the Kirkby proposal further, which doesn?t mean Kirkby is a definite", I’m gutted, well was and now remarkably I’m becoming more and more optimistic even excited. At least finally one of the promises made by the board is moving forward - thats a start. Plus all this and our transfer market exploits have put us on Sky / BBC - you name it, all publicity is good publicity, even if bugger all comes from it in the end. One other thing we all seem to have forgotten - the head of Tesco is also a true blue, so he’s not going to shaft us, my gut feeling is - its going to be quite the other way.
Dan i feel the complete absense of any clear facts or detailed plans, that could then have been shown to rational fans, quite appalling. I have seen more details on this site and the KEIOC website, which had a more detailed look at a planned redeveloped Goodison, now i am not saying that would have been the best option, just that they gave us a highly detailed insight. The only thing i got from the board was the manager and the players giving me a propaganda spiel and a cheep picture of the souless box. Now yes the board are going to push it but i would have liked Evertonians to be treated with a bit more respect and given all the pros and cons to the move.
eversteve,you are the only one that has mesioned sir terry being a true blue..I voted yes and cannot wait for the move
"the no voters don’t matter"
So much for the reconciliation that the victors are demanding from those who opposed the Kirkby proposal. Why should I reconcile myself with a conceited bigot such as yourself? When you get a little older and wiser you will come to understand that each and every one of us matters....including those who bought the snake oil from the slick salesman. You dismiss those with a differing view to yours at your peril.....some of our convictions are not for sale at such a tawdry price.
MARTIN B...in case you didn’t get it;
My sentiment that "each and everyone matters....including those who bought the snake oil from the slick salesman" is my way of saying "each and everyone matters....including those who voted yes" It’s a pity you can’t show similar generosity of spirit!
I personally was a yes voter, but can sympathise with all of the local businesses that where part of the KEICO. The vote is done, EVERTON really are moving forward, and I thank Mr Kenwright for stabilising our ship post Johnsons Hampers prior to handing the club over to an overseas investor who will be able to invest in a club that does not require a new stadium as BILL has provided it for us and he will still have his seat were he belong, on the BOARD, and we should prbably within 5 years be retiring the number 9 shirt with BILL KENWRIGHT’s name on it because he is a true blue who has invested his money in the club and dared to defy all and sy "I will push this giant club forward and when the necessary investment come will sell".
Don’t you think he deserves to make a sack full of money?
I personally sold my house and home to start my own business and now reap the benefits, lets not be blinkered - I love my club, I love my job, EVERTON is BILL’s job.
As previously stated, I have three parking spaces in my drive for long term let for anyone having problems driving to the NEW PEOPLES STADIUM.
Life goes on, be it GP (Bless her heart), bu the essence is EVERTON is now alive with the buzz of a new stadium and a positive ay forward.
See you all on Saturday, and plenty more Saturday’s to come.....
Big scheme of things.....
Please give a moments reflection of how important a piece of history/land/location/silverware when we have just lost a young blue to society. A tragdy that tells us all how lucky we really are.
Support EVERTON for being EVERTON and not because we did not get what we wanted. BLUE is BLUE.
THROUGH and THROUGH
The no voters don’t count? 41% of voting Evertonians don’t count, are you sure? If those 41%, nearly half of our supporter base decided to jib it, this club would go bust..... so I think they count quite a lot!! We have not got endless support to be able to piss-off such a large proportion (and should we want to anyway?), we only have those that turn up week in week out. If KEIOC had enjoyed a fraction of the time and resources that Tesco have had to pull their ideas together, and if Bestway had a few more months to prepare theirs, and if the voting slip wasn’t accompanied by a glossy one-sided brochure, and if the whole campaign wasn’t accompanied by the longest sustained hard selling tactics in the local media then I don’t believe this result would be anywhere near what it is...... and even then it scored only 59:41. How did the No vote manage to get nearly half the vote in this one horse race? As far as the initial post regarding KEIOC’s campaign, and slanging matches etc: I have received threatening e-mails for daring to prove that 50k+ seats could fit on the site. I’m not too bothered about internet hardcases, but don’t think the yes voters are as pure and innocent, nor the club clean and genuine in their motives. They have known about the Loop since March where is their feasibilty study...... where are any of them? They don’t exist.
As far as business plans go..... The club cant even tell us the actual cost to the club!!! How can that be? It’s gone from a stadium for nothing just before the vote to £50m+....... you could get a lot of redevelopment for £50m.
Tom Hughes:.....Tom, no matter how many times you say it 41% is not nearly half.If we take into account only those who voted then 59% is a healthy majority.Indeed if we translated the figures say into a general election result we,d be talking about a landslide.
However,I do concur with you on the fact that, of course, the no voters count just as much as the yes voters.What I find incredulous is the fact that the club could find no way of including those fans who buy match day tickets week after week.
Surely they could have had a ticket stub count as they do for away matches.These people are just as loyal to the club as any season ticket holder yet they had no say.If they had, then the YES vote might have been 80%,but then again so might the NO,s!!!!!!!!!
Let,s face it the club worked off a list of people who were easy to contact.Anything else was just a little like hard work.
Mike: the point I was making is that this was essentially a one party vote..... and yet it still only got 59% of those who could be bothered voting, despite it having many times longer to prepare its case and infinitely greater resources to push it, which they did via every media possible, including with the voting brochure itself. If those factors were anything like balanced out and the NO campaign had equal exposure that gap would have closed. Many people have already wrote on these forums after they had made their vote to say that they knew next to nothing about the KEIOC campaign. Why wasn’t KEIOC material sent out with the vote? The previous votes were real landslides by comparison. Incidentally, do you think Kirkby would get more than 5% of a vote if it was Kings Dock versus Kirkby? I don’t! I believe that the Loop site could be similar to that if allowed to develop. I also believe that any of the various redevelopment of GP packages if presented similarly to the Kirkby option would also win a vote. The point being that this was never fairly set up in the first place, and people have been asked to vote with next to no info regarding alternatives..... but just glossy images to push it, and the assurances of a major supermarket backing..... The club pushed this through as quickly as possible as soon as they realised the NO campaign was getting more organised. KW was desperate not to be proven wrong about his NO plan B assertion, therefore this vote had to be undertaken before any alternatives could be put together....... and even if they could be produced they saw to it that they rubbished them at the first opportunity. As you said yourself, as with avoiding inclusion of a big proportion of our fans..... looking at the alternatives was a bit too much like hard work for this lot especially after they had said there wasn’t any.
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