- Why was the return address on the ballot form different from the address on the enclosed envelope? Even the post codes were different! I would like to believe that this was just a cock-up with no sinister undercurrent, however at the very least this could very easily have lead to votes going astray.
- How were the issues of duplicate and missing votes resolved?
- Why didn?t the Board allow the overseeing of the vote from both sides of the argument? Any accusations of inappropriate administration would then have been removed.
I think that few would disagree that for the mandate for the relocation to have creditability, a strong POSITIVE vote would be required. However an analysis of the voting pattern indicates that the POSITIVE vote for the relocation was only 41.5%, ie less than a simple majority of the total votes available. Given the enormity of the decision, it is extraordinarily weak, factually incorrect and shamefully misleading (but nevertheless predictable) for the Board to claim that:
?Everton Football Club acknowledges that a majority of those Evertonians who were eligible to vote in the ballot do support the Club in its desire to relocate to a new home in Kirkby?.As a matter of principle, the Board owes us an apology for this statement. As a Chartered Accountant, I assist clients with Corporate Governance issues and on day to day matters such as:
- - do you stock sausage rolls or pasties in the staff canteen?, or
- - do we order white or pink toilet rolls for the restrooms?
So the question is: How can the Board realistically and credibly argue that at best 59% of those that voted and, at worst 41% of those eligible, constitutes a valid mandate? I don?t suppose for one minute that the Board will consider these points because they seriously weaken their position, however to receive no answers would be a shame for all of us, whether we vote YES or NO.
I suppose the Board might argue that the move to Kirkby is on a par with the toilet roll decision!
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1 Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:56:24
Its called democracy.
How do you know what percentage of those that didn’t bother to vote are against the move???
Its sounds like they didn’t care, because they couldn’t be bothered to vote. So if they don’t care let the Everton board decide for them.
The board’s percentage of 59% is correct. Its percentage of voters, I REPEAT, VOTERS, who voted in favour of the move.
2 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:08:31
- who were eligible to vote
- not, those that voted.
Now, we can debate all day about opinions - it is this that makes the game so great - but the Board, and you, are factually incorrect and it is this that is most disappointing. Even after they have got the decision they wanted, they are still pre-occupied by spin, inaccuracies and misleading propaganda.
3 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:10:34
I’m born and bred in Liverpool, I’ve supported Everton all my life and have held a season ticket for many years.
All I want now is for everyone to accept the decision; like I have. Whether the decision is right or wrong it has been made.
We all knew before the ballot that 1 vote could be the decisive vote, we just need to accept what has happened and get on with supporting Everton.
Let’s hope we end up with a stadium that allows us to move forward and a team that we can watch with pride. At the end of the day we are all Evertonians, come what may.
4 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:10:15
5 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:18:11
6 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:16:23
Vote works the way democracy is supposed to work and all you can find is fix.
Should the club have said "if you don’t vote its a no or yes", or should they, as in all elections, let the voter decide?.
As for people being at the count of the ERS, who the hell do you think that they are? The Bill Lackey Party?
And before you talk about needing a percentage of votes for a strategic decision - by law Everton didn’t even need to legally (though probably did morally) hold a vote, no other club has.
By the way 70% exercised their democratic right to vote.
You can’t turn a yes vote into a no vote by your negative attitude.
7 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:19:34
it would be probabley trumpeted as a crushing defeat by the no’s against the board
time to shut up and move on methinks
8 Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:50:12
Most strategic decisions in businesses of size are taken by boards not shareholders.
Boards voting unanimously for decisions is not a fair comparison for the Everton vote.
Boards discuss decisions before voting and individuals in the board may vote against their own opinions because (1) it has become clear they hold a minority view in the board and feel they should vote along with the team rather than being difficult (2) They vote in line with the dominant board members who are dominant because of personality, perceived expertise, the decision impacts them most or other reasons.
Better comparisons for our vote are elections, television viewer votes.... 60% in these elections is usually considered a landslide. Turn-out was also high relative to these comparisons.
I am in favour of the move because I believe it gives the best chance for a secure financial future for the club. Despite this, I myself did not vote because I know many Evertonians who’s match-going lives will be directly affected by the move to a far greater extent than me and I felt it was fair for those supporters to make the decision. This means if I had known what the majority decision was, I would have voted inline with it, whether the majority was yes or no.
9 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:25:27
Regarding the results 59% yes is very impressive I think for a decision that would have meant that many, manny yes voters, were voting with a heavy heart.
10 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:42:09
If you want to look at it that way should the club really refuseto move based on the opinions of 28% of the voters?
11 Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:52:56
They always talk about the people who didn’t vote, and they make themselves look silly.
12 Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:13:28
1. For something this enormous surely a positive, active vote was needed. To rely on passive missing votes seems lame to me.
2. The statement on the official site is clearly wrong and therefore misleading. Nothing new there then.
Although I fully accept the vote has been declared and, whether we like it or not, we will be moving, I just think that even at this late stage the Board could stop the propaganda. I think we all deserve better.
13 Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:28:17
You’re absolutely right. The statement from the club is clearly wrong. A majority of those who chose to vote in the ballot, rather than a majority of those who were eligible to vote have given the thumbs up to Kirkby.
If the club were seeking a majority of those eligible to vote, they have failed.
They can’t stop spinning even now. Shameful. Let’s hope they sort themselves out, and start acting on behalf of all the supporters, not just those who ticked the Yes box.
14 Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:24:47
this whole article is a steaming pile of junk.
almost 60 % voted yes !!! 20 % more than the no voters.
the no vote was crushed fair and square.
15 Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:59:14
You’re falling into the trap of not actually reading the article again, aren’t you mate?
Illuminating though: "the no vote was crushed fair and square" seems to sum up how many Yes voters saw the ballot. And that’s why the club is now so badly split, because of the adversarial way it has been portrayed.
"We won! You lost! Get over it!" seems to be the cry.
Wrong attitude if you want our fan base to remain united. All wrong.
16 Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:04:44
Does anyone else not think the Kirkby stadium design is dull, un-inspiring, and generally out of the box rubbish.
If we had designs to build a brilliant, striking, stadium to be proud of, then I believe a lot of the "No" voters would?ve been swayed.
It?s the symmetrical, Identikit, cheap, design which really pisses me off. Total Crap. I thought we wanted a 55,000 all seater with possible expansion to 70,000 originally. Now its 50,000 with potential to go to 55,000-60,000. Why?
Cos its f****n cheap.
The whole plan is f****n cheap, done on a Tesco?s budget. I will always support Everton, but no number of images with floodlights on a dark night will make this proposed new stadium inspiring.
17 Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:19:22
The majority who voted voted to move - by a substantial margin.
This is the way these things work. It’s fine to say you would have preferred the result to be different. But trying to change the result because you don’t like it makes you sound like Rafa Benitez.
This is a 3-2 victory for YES over NO. And the referees (ERS) were fair and impartial. Can we move on now?
18 Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:15:29
So far you,re the only one I,ve come across who doesn,t like the ground design.I say ground because it,s not a stadium it,s a footy ground.A proper four sided footy ground,the likes of which generate a far better atmosphere than modern oval stadia.
19 Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:39:46
You should get out more mate, I fucking hate it, it’s shit. I’ve yet to meet anyone who has been excited by it. In fact I’d say the reaction amongst fans I know has been about 5-1 against. Most say it looks like it’s come from a kit.
Perhaps you were taking the micky, sorry if so.
20 Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:33:43
Just a couple of points;
1.Why should anyone be in on the vote count? This is the Electoral Reform Society we,re talking about not a bunch of Johnny come lately,s.
2.The only way ballot papers could have gone to the wrong address is if the envelope was wrapped in them.As long as they were put in the envelope they got there.
3.Bill Kenwright promised every Evertonian, eligible to vote, a simple majority ,no matter which way the vote went.In real terms this was by no means a simple majority,it was huge.The fact that some chose not to use the franchise afforded them is unbelievable,and I hope none of them has the gaul to broach this topic again.However the fact that they took no part in the vote is niether the fault of the board or the E.R.S.The ballot was based on votes received
and therefore was fair and just.
No matter which side anyone took in this debate I hope to see you all on Saturday.We may be yaes and nayes but we,re all Evertonians.Bless you all!
21 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:12:57
Don’t they care????? Are they some bizarre set of casual fans?????
22 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:29:39
23 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:35:56
Although it will be easy for me to get to our new ground I am really looking forward to it and the mojority of supporters are judging by the vote,the location is ideal and the motorway / road links are excellent easy access to m57,m58,m62,m6 a station less than a mile away,15 mins from speke airport for when our european matches come. I have heard supporters give kirkby stick but w the town has flourished throughout the years I have worked around there and opposite the location properties are selling for 1/4 million and if any body doubts this go take a look at the valley rd/bewley drive area.
we also have a big fan base in Kirkby as its only 4 miles form goodison and not in outer mongolia.
On a personal note us skem boys cannot wait.
Democracy is a wonderful thing
24 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:41:42
Your enthusiasm warms the cockles of my heart! For every pessimist there is an optimist. Well done mate.
25 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:22:38
26 Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:04:26
27 Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:48:49
It saddens me that there is an undercurrent of aggression towards me and my views and anyone else who dares to have a view other than a YES - surely that can’t be right? After all we are supposed to be Evertonians together.
I have never denied the YES voters a fair crack. I have also never personally derided any individual who has voted YES. We are all entitled to our opinion.
I really fear that this will divide us for such a long time. Everything is pretty raw at the moment and perhaps part of the reason why the NO voters can’t ’just let it go’ is because of the unecessarily aggresive attitude of some YES voters.
Incidentally, nothwithstanding the legitimacy of some of the responses arguing against my view, no-one has explained why the Club are continuing to peddle the factually inaccurate and deliberately misleading comment on the majority.
28 Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:51:07
How can town be a travel nightmare? The vast majority of match-going blues live within the city region. I can understand your lack of local knowledge but the city centre is the transport focal point of that region. It is the only place that can be reached by all residents on one bus/train journey. Kirkby station gets 4 trains per hr. even at GP Sandhills gets approx 30 per hour. Or Kirkdale 20 per hour. In town there is a major main line station, and also the Wirral line. There is also no comparison with the buses, especially as regards the city centre, and no comparison in terms of parking. At Kirkby the vast majority will be travelling to and from the stadium in the same direction. there are only 2 dual carriageways serving Kirkby from the city (with the east lancs already at capacity, hence its major works recently), at the end of the day the M57 is only 3 lanes. There are a multitude of arterial roads serving Town and Walton, and furthermore people can use them in all directions. I’m afraid there can never be any comparison. The city centre handles over 100,000 every rush hour with capacity for double that, Kirkby often chokes on a few hundred cars when the industrial estate lets out. Which is what you might expect for a small town. 50,000 evertonians mainly wanting to go in the same direction?
29 Posted 24/08/2007 at 23:22:18
As for road travel - I drive to GP & believe me the route out of GP to the M62 is shite & congested to fuck at 5pm on a Saturday afternoon. Any further into the City centre & it’d be even worse.....the links from Kirkby to the M57 can’t be any fucking worse mate.
30 Posted 25/08/2007 at 20:33:15
31 Posted 26/08/2007 at 14:00:34
32 Posted 28/08/2007 at 21:24:28
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