I'll be the first to admitt that Steven Pienaar has made me purr this season with his relentless work rate and his excellent technique. I'll also admit that Manny Fernandes thrilled me last season with his outrageous flair and limitless potential. My final admittance, is that a couple of players we've been linked with on loan this January, namely Steve Sidwell and Daniel van Buyten, would be decent signings and could well cement our place in the top six come May, meaning another European campaign.Happy days: a few more jollies away in Europe next season, yet more recognition for the excellent job Moyes is doing, and all is rosie in the Goodison garden.
My main concern with this situation however, is what happens over the summer months, if indeed Sidwell and Van Buyten do sign on loan (and that is a rather big if, with Portsmouth and Celtic sniffing round each respectively at the time of writing) we could face the situation of having the back bone of a team on our books temporarily, with their futures up in the air. We could have our first reserve centre half, our first choice midfield enforcer (assuming Sidwell dislodged Carsley) and two of our three main creative midfielders with their future in limbo.
If one considers the worst-case scenario, we could actually end up in a worse situation come June than we are in now. Transfer fee will be an issue with Van Buyten and Fernandes, with Bayern and Valencia probably asking for about £4 million and upwards of £8 million respectively. With Sidwell, Moyes's possible unwillingness to match his Chelsea wages, and Chelsea's possible unwillingness to sell him permanently to a team they see as an increasing threat could be a problem. Pienaar is probably the player we're most likely to secure on a permanent deal, given his positive media statements and the fact that Dortmund were willing to do without him for a whole season. However, the club which had its fingers and its pride burnt last summer over the whole Fernandes U-Turn should know that nothing is certain when it comes to making loan deals permanent.
So while I'm all for January reinforcements to keep things fresh, and am aware that loan signings offset the risk of transfer window panic buying at inflated prices, I would humbly urge caution. If the two loan signings mentioned were to arrive, or if any others joined, and they as well as Fernandes and Pienaar were to leave in the summer, then the blues position could, as already mentioned, be worse in June that it is now. This would necessitate major forays into the summer transfer market to ensure we didnt stand still, or worse, move backwards. Whether the money would be available for this with a potential new stadium to finance is open to debate.This article is largely hyperthetical and I'm no doubt getting ahead of myself, but I would still urge Diamond Davie to balance out the appeal of short-term transfer fixes with the overall goal of long-term progression.
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1 Posted 17/01/2008 at 05:14:12
This would not be a problem at all as if the contract is tight then no other club can gazump us. I think we have such an option of Pienaar, but don’t know about Fernandes?
This would save us supporters a whole lot of angst!
2 Posted 17/01/2008 at 06:02:42
But wouldn’t we be in the same position if we wanted to buy ALL the loan players? We’d still have to find in excess of 15 million and more likely upwards of 20 million in the summer, and to pay them to sit on the beach too!
AND we’d still only be standing still.
3 Posted 17/01/2008 at 08:12:37
I think DM is one of the best exponents of Loan deals in the premier league (along with Harry Redknapp) and after getting his fingers burnt with players in the past (Koldrup deffo + possibly Beattie & Wright) he aims to only pay a fee when he is 100% sure, sometimes more haha!! As for the point of letting supporters know whether we have buy-option price as part of loan, he should keep that as close to chest as possible IMO as he should with all possible tansfer info.....in & out. Us fans will speculate anyway, we love it, but the club should conduct thier business as quiet & proper as possible, again IMO
4 Posted 17/01/2008 at 08:41:46
5 Posted 17/01/2008 at 08:50:52
6 Posted 17/01/2008 at 08:55:43
7 Posted 17/01/2008 at 09:17:53
My only concern is that if you can’t replace your short term players over the Summer Transfer Window, then you could possibly end up in a false position and could struggle the season after as a result.
8 Posted 17/01/2008 at 09:28:21
9 Posted 17/01/2008 at 09:23:38
You presume that we will sign Sidwell, than he will dislodge Carsley, than DM wont want to buy him ?!? ridiculous.
Same with Buyten;he will come;be our back up DC (what about Jag and Stubbs)and we wont be able to afford him and then will find ourselves in position when the back bone of a team on our books .
Excuse me but when have we signed these players, when turned they into first teamers and made impact ?!?
10 Posted 17/01/2008 at 10:05:35
11 Posted 17/01/2008 at 10:10:48
I merely used Sidwell and Van Buyten as extreme examples of the dangers of becomming too over-reliant on loan deals, because they are two players we’re supposedly interested in taking on loan.
12 Posted 17/01/2008 at 10:21:33
Thats it - very settled squad with one player eager to prove his worth; for me everything else is FM pure
13 Posted 17/01/2008 at 10:43:13
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16 Posted 17/01/2008 at 12:05:12
We need reinforcements now
17 Posted 17/01/2008 at 12:29:01
Again hypothetical we have no idea how these young players will turn out
18 Posted 17/01/2008 at 20:26:24
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21 Posted 17/01/2008 at 22:30:31
The man is OUTSTANDING and in my book has made a silk purse out of the proverbial ear with no/hardly any dosh. We should be hailing him at every game.
As for your " I hope we finish in the top six" point...I am hoping for number one!
Nil satis nisi optimum.
22 Posted 17/01/2008 at 22:28:34
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24 Posted 18/01/2008 at 00:33:35
TO my knowledge, everytime he’s taken a player on loan, he’s agreed a signing fee at the end of the loan period befoore hand.
Given this track record, why does everyone think it will be different this time?
To me , his formula is simple.
Player becomes available.
DM speakes to chairman - says - I want this guy - on loan.
If he’s any good - I want to buy him at the end of the season.
The loan deal will cost - £??/
The end of season cost will be £???
Can i go for it?
If BK says yes - we go - if we ge tthe guy and he proves himslef - come the end of season - we exercise our option.
If BK says no - we don’t go for the guy in the first place.
If BK says yes - and the guy turns out to be crap - we don’t exercise the option.
It’s worked so far- and we re on the up!!!
So - IMWT
25 Posted 18/01/2008 at 07:00:30
Permanent jobs don’t mean anything anyway. Didn’t we have Rooney on the books? I suggest we enjoy the moment. There will always be change and Moyes’ doing a superb job of managing it. My 2pence’s worth.
26 Posted 18/01/2008 at 10:13:21
27 Posted 18/01/2008 at 11:10:55
28 Posted 18/01/2008 at 13:34:28
29 Posted 18/01/2008 at 16:13:09
30 Posted 18/01/2008 at 16:42:42
John, I take your point yet we won’t know whether he just plays well in order to get a better move until the summer - let’s worry about that then.
The common factor in his failed permanent transfers to Benfica and Valencia was Ronald Koeman, who has upset many players throughout his short management career. I think a personality clash between the two could well be the reason.
Alan Irvine said that he was the model professional when he was here last time around. Let’s hope he shows what he’s capable of, falls in love with the crowd, and becomes our player in the summer.
31 Posted 18/01/2008 at 17:17:15
The fact is if the team is doing well and the signs for the upcoming season are good, then a player wil want to be a part of that. If we are an attractive club the deal will get done, because the player won?t want to go anywhere else and that puts us in a strong negotiating position - we?ve pulled in a few quid from the McFadden deal and finishing high in the league will also mean several million more prize money. If we can?t afford all of them - then Moyes will find another gem or two on loan again :)
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