The Glawdys Street is of course the noisiest and rowdiest of the lot. So in my opinion it's the best. But even at the best of times it can lack atmosphere. Even the most passionate fans can't get pumped up for a Sky-adjusted 1 o'clock kick-off against the likes of Fulham or Middlesbrough. Or can they?
Now in Italy, Germany and Turkey every ground or at least most grounds have an official home end. All us Evertonians recognise the Glawdys Street end as the home end. We attack it second half whenever we can and I'd imagine if we had the choice against Fiorentina, we would of taken the penalties at that end of the ground so that proves the players recognise it as being the home end as well.
So perhaps the Board could start to show it's appreciation to the most dedicated supporters in the land. The ticket prices are high enough as it is and then they don't help one bit in creating an intimidating atmosphere. Against the top 3 (I don't include the dark side as we know we can beat them anyway) we need all the help we can get. What we lack in quality compared to United, Chelsea and Arsenal we can certainly make up for it in determination and that starts in the stands. If we are determined to encourage the team by singing and shouting then the team will respond and get a lift from the fans.
In the countries like Italy, Germany and Turkey the hardcore fans, or Ultras as they are known, are given the materials they need to perform what they call Tifo's. These are strictly non violent shows of devotion to the club they support. They are spectacular shows of choreography from the terraces. (Galatasaray's ?Welcome to Hell? being the most notable banner in probably the most intense ultra show in the world.)
They can range from:
- Sheets of paper (like at England games) used to create a mosaic like pattern.
- Large flags and banners (perhaps some of the ones we use to take abroad can be used to hang from the Upper Glawdys...)
- Flags like the ones used across the park. (FFS if Liverpool can arrange some form of display, we can do one 10 times better) Balloons
- Flares and Fireworks for night time matches.
All season ticket holders could be issued with a questionnaire asking what type of display they would want and if they would be prepared to help out. The Upper Glawdys street could be in charge of banners and the mosaics whereas the Lower Glawdys could be in charge of flags and fireworks. If any non-season ticket holders wanted to be involved whenever they attended they could be issued with a plastic sheet or confetti anything to get them involved with the tifo.
If this were to become common place at Goodison, we would surely sell out every week. Away fans would be more interested in coming to Goodison as the show would be a major selling point and also Everton fans who don't usually come to Goodison would be more likely to come to see the spectacle. Any fans who usually sit in the Glawdys Street could sit in the Park End so they can get the best view of the show.
In addition to the tifo perhaps we could attach loud speakers onto the stands so any noise we do make would be amplified ten-fold to make for a more intimidating Goodison. This would come in handy for the games against much lesser opposition as any singing or chanting is heard louder and clearer. A loud speaker would be a much better alternative to a drum or rattles as they can get pretty annoying. The mad Portsmouth fan doesn't shut up on his bloody drum all game. It isn't intimidating, it just gives you a headache.
Now I know what people will say about any Ultras events going on at Goodison Park. Immediately comparisons will be drawn to hooligan firms and violent gangs. Unlike these firms, Ultras are proper diehard fans NOT violent fans. Hooligans aren't fans they are idiots who just want to cause trouble whereas Ultras put on shows to intimidate the opposition, not beat them up. So any comparison to the County Road Cutter or any other Everton Firm would not be true.
There has been a lot of talk regarding the move to Kirkby on this website recently but at the moment we are at Goodison Park and hopefully will be for sometime soon. So as you get your season tickets just think what can the club do to help the fans? When we are getting 32,000 against Stoke next season and people are bemoaning the lack of atmosphere and fan support perhaps, then the Board may realise that to get sell outs every week and create an atmosphere similar to and even better than the ones we have had against Chelsea and Fiorentina on regular occasions then they should involve the loyal fans like they do in Italy and other Mediterranean countries. The leader of the Ultras is usually present at board meetings and the Ultra group has it's own store cupboard to keep it's tifo items in.
If the Board encouraged us to do things like this then we may well improve on the pitch. It's about time they started to involve us ? after all, it's our club as well.
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1 Posted 27/05/2008 at 21:06:15
I’ve been to Milan to see the the Milan Derby and the Inter supporters had black and blue pieces of paper above their heads and that looked great too. It all adds to the atmosphere but would take a lot of organising. Dunno if you’d get enough support from other supporters or the club itself though.
If I lived locally I’d be up for helping out, but based in Norfolk makes it a little difficult. Anybody else fancy taking up the gauntlet?
2 Posted 27/05/2008 at 21:15:07
3 Posted 27/05/2008 at 22:36:29
4 Posted 27/05/2008 at 22:26:20
First we (the Gwladys St) need to be able to stand up in front of our seats.
Second our singers need good acoustics
1) We rarely do this now because there is a supporting beam obstructing the view for the fans in the last 2 rows of the Lower Gwladys St when they stand up, they therefore tell everyone to sit.
2) The underside of the Upper Gwladys (whch is directly above our singers) is the wrong material and angle to project the songs out for the rest of the stand to join in.
No. 2 can be improved by the club by attaching some acoustical material to the underside of the Upper Gwladys, but we’ve wanted this for 40 years and the ’Peoples Club’ haven’t bothered yet so why would they now?
No. 1 can only be improved by not selling seats in those last 2 rows (perhaps add extra rows to the front?). It is also worth mentioning that unreserved seating works a treat for atmosphere, allows the singers to really congregate together, but can only happen for lower gates for safety reasons.
The Kirkby design won’t improve the singing either
1) If singers congregate in lower tier of End Stand they will be put off standing as in the open with Executive boxes directly behind them.
If in the upper, it is a safety risk and also very hard to encourage as it’s steeper and there is no concertina effect in upper tiers (ie front row stands so the rest stands).
2) If the main singers are in the lower tier the proximity of the roof is too far above them to be of any use. If in the upper, there’ll be no standing therefore hardly any singing which means a waste of acoustics.
Solution for Kirkby design
Move the Executive boxes to double up on the side stand to leave a large single tier behind both goals.
5 Posted 27/05/2008 at 22:45:33
I also recall the ’confetti’ of cushions from the top balcony & main stand which rained down on a few of Gordon Lee’s teams - probably best not to dwell on that though!
6 Posted 27/05/2008 at 23:34:28
7 Posted 27/05/2008 at 23:36:48
8 Posted 28/05/2008 at 06:35:26
A crowd of thirty five thousand is composed of thirty five thousand individuals and they can all see what is happening on the pitch.
You can Seig Heil all you want, I’ll make my own mind up and express my thoughts accordingly thanks very much.
9 Posted 28/05/2008 at 09:17:30
The best we can hope for is for standing in front of our seats to be tolerated.
However this can only occur in the lower or single tiers.
If in Kirkby would the lower tier be blocking the view of the Executive boxes if they stood up? Quite possibly.
Would the roof still be too far from the singers in the lower tier to spread the songs around? Yes definetely.
Once again Everton are going to have a design that does nothing for the atmosphere. If you want an atmosphere in Kirkby the design has to change!!!
Are we too bitter to admit that Liverpool’s kop is a better design for atmosphere? Why aren’t we replicating it, afterall our motto is Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, and if that means having a kop behind both goals so be it. We cannot have an innferior design just because we are are incapable of admitting that Liverpool have a superior design!
10 Posted 28/05/2008 at 13:09:34
A lot of what you?re asking for is outside the legal confines of what has been made law in this country.
Flares and fireworks - banned from all football stadia because of the fire hazard. Goodness knows what would happen if a firework were to go off in the Bullens - we?d have another Valley Parade disaster on our hands.
Balloons - although not outlawed, we all know what can happen when a stray balloon flies onto the pitch - let?s just say Joe Hart won?t be having any balloons at his next birthday party.
Standing areas - if you?re baying for a return of the terraces, again, these have been obsolete in top-flight football for 20 years because of an absolutely horrific disaster involving our neighbours. I?ll retract that comment if it turns out I misunderstood the idea.
I?m all for improving the atmosphere at Goodison because when the team isn?t playing well the place is like a monastery. But let?s have some sense please. Why can?t we all (that?s ALL) just belt out the songs as loud as we can as per the Fiorentina match and return Goodison to the fortress it once was?
11 Posted 28/05/2008 at 16:22:25
Without standing the atmosphere isn’t there, and for safety reasons this cannot occur in upper tiers. The problem is that the Kirkby design will not take this into account. As there’s no standing in uppers, then the main singers must go in the lower tier, but the roof will be too far from them to effectively project the songs round the stadium.
If we want atmosphere, then the Kirkby design (or wherever we may end up) must change. Get the Executive boxes out of the End Stands to double up on the sides, and have a large single tier behind both goals.
12 Posted 29/05/2008 at 09:58:54
So you want us to do something like Chelsea did in the Champions league? Its laughable and cringeworthy. The manufactured atmosphere is symptomatic of the arm chair fans out there today and Chelsea are a prime example of that.
If we cant muster a decent sing song or invent some new tunes to sing to then theres something wrong anyway. We do however need something to sing about, and the back half this season disapponited.
At to finish, I have to say the atmosphere at 75% of the games this season has been poor. Dont know why but theres no escaping the fact. We even got out sung by Derby, Villa and Chelea fans in our own ground. Hearing that fucking shower sing "You?re fans are fucking shit" was embarrassing.
13 Posted 29/05/2008 at 10:14:58
Me and my mate tearing up loads of newspapers before the home games.
Loads did it and as the team ran out it was a brilliant ticker tape entrance.
Re flags - wrote to Ian Ross re flags over the upper Gwaldys and he said stewards ordered to take them down as they covered the advertising !!!
I responded that it is our club etc and look at Man Utd and lots of others who have banners around the ground.
Reply - covers up advertising.
What can you do ??
14 Posted 29/05/2008 at 10:51:18
In the new stadium when the fans stand up in the lower tier there’s a very good cahance that they’ll block the views in the Executive boxes behind. Yet do they care enough to change the design? No.
Ever since the singing transferred to the back of the Lower Gwladys Street underneath the Upper Gwladys we’ve needed some kind of acoustical material attached to the underside of the upper to help spread the songs. Have they bothered ? No. It was 40 years ago we went there as well.
15 Posted 29/05/2008 at 16:36:46
16 Posted 29/05/2008 at 16:40:45
So if we’re to have that in Kirkby then the stadium design must change. Move the Executive boxes to double up on the side stands which would leave us with a large single tier behind both goals. Only then we will finally have an atmosphere
17 Posted 29/05/2008 at 17:50:20
I hate drawin examples from across the park, but they do seem to pull it off on the big occasion. They have their merry flag wavers at the front, the banner working it’s way down the Kop and sometimes, like when they played Juve in 2005 they pulled of a mosaic show.It cant be too hard to organise a display can it?
And I agree the whole Chelsea flag thing is crap, it doesnt come from the heart so isnt worth doing but I do belive that we have the most passionate supporters in the world who, with some help from the board would be able to create an atmosphere worthy of the good old days.Acoustics are helpful, but not the be all and end all.A bit of dedication on the part of the board is what we need.
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