As much as I'd have liked him to stick around (Moyes obviously believed he had potential), if £26k is what it would have taken for him to re-sign then I'd rather have him off the wage bill.
If a player's wage is proportional to his worth to the team, can Dan actually look at himself in the mirror and believe he is the equal of Jack Rodwell / half as valuable as Pienaar/Arteta? Even his Under-21 England call-up was as a last minute replacement for the injured Rodwell.
I was always of the opinion that Moyes kept him around more for his potential at versatility (Moyes's favourite trait in a player) than any supposed Roy Keane-esque "box-to-box" greatness... But I could be wrong ? Franny Jeffers once told Moyes how and when he should be played and that worked out well for him.
If Dan had wanted to leave, he could've waited to sign the contract (like he verbally promised to) and THEN requested a transfer. This would have allowed the club to recoup some of the £1.5-2million that had been outlaid and invested in him since his arrival. But I can only assume that a lack of faith in his own ability and a realisation that any transfer fee would seriously water down his potential earnings forced him / his agent to use a lucrative window of opportunity and a naive/incompetent EFC to their advantage.
Do us a favour though Dan; please don't insult our intelligence by using this "first-team opportunities"/"preferred midfield position" gumf as a smokescreen for what amounts to pure and simple greed. There are ways and means of making Moyes and the fans aware of your ambitions before doing something as rash as leaving, so tell your agent he's as thick as we're led to believe you are if he thinks we're going to swallow it.
And if you're sat there all shocked and hurt at the fans' reaction to your departure, it's less due to us believing that we're losing England's future midfield star for nothing and more to do with the fact that we're fairly incredulous you thought you were good enough to be on £25k a week, or be anywhere near the first team.
So good luck with that busted knee, Dan, and on developing your fairly limited game without Moyes's tutelage. Obviously you and your agent/estate agent/Ferrari dealer know what's best for you. Thankfully for you it seems, Newcastle obviously still do their scouting on YouTube.
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1 Posted 12/07/2010 at 13:50:48
Obviously you take these things with a pinch of salt, but they are also reporting that Newcastle were the only ones willing to pay a transfer fee if Everton win an appeal against the Premier League.
I think he's made a big mistake football-wise, but I don't think it's a major loss to Everton, and I wish him all the best.
2 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:16:24
All the best would most certainly be his knee never to heal, and that contract with the Toons falling apart in the last second and he ends up like an ordinary unemployed youth with no money and no job.
That greedy traitor!
How many of you would turn down an Everton contract for £15k per week?
3 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:28:43
4 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:39:08
5 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:33:09
Worse case senario being we would have to pay him £3 mill over the length of the contract and he may never play another game for us.
So I suspect BK & Moyes were waiting to see if he would fully recover before putting a offer in writing.
This being the case Gosling obviously sought employment & a contract elsewhere. Fair enough, who wouldn't do the same? Get paid a guaranteed £25k a week by the Toon whether he plays again or not, or stay with us and maybe pick up £15k a week if he fully recovers from his injury.
From our club's point of view, ok we have lost a squad player, but we will have his wages to play with and should be able to get a replacement fairly easily.
All this rubbish about us loosing out on £4mil is bullshit. Who would pay that for him? No-one.
6 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:52:42
I only hope we get some money.
I just don't understand why he would move to a lower club when in all honesty I don't think he'll get much more game time. Championship team player.
One more thing. If this were Man U etc wouldn't the papers be supporting them in claiming what a travisty this is?
7 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:44:06
Not that I'm worried about losing a talented youngster. More I'm sad that Everton have lost out on a couple of million.
The truth is Gosling is a very limited player. He had a knack for scoring goals but his all-round play was very average.
He may go onto have a decent career but I feel it will be along the lines of Gavin McCann.
Most likely if he had stayed at Everton he would have been a squad player filling a gap every now and then before Moyes eventually sold him off for a small fee.
Gosling certainly cannot be compared to Rodwell. He's not even near that class. I even expect Baxter, Coleman, Garbutt, Duffy & Orenuga to have better careers then Gosling.
No great loss other then a small financial one.
8 Posted 12/07/2010 at 14:52:48
I know others will disagree, but I am entitled to my view.
9 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:10:39
Once people realise how average he is, he'll never be offered that kind of money again.
10 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:12:18
11 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:12:55
12 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:20:53
If his knee holds up, regular first team action in Championship is the best I expect for young Dan now.
13 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:33:03
Had the idiots in charge of our club done something as simple as put the contract offer down in writing, this sorry situation would never have have arose, but doing something as basic as that is beyond them.
14 Posted 12/07/2010 at 15:51:31
15 Posted 12/07/2010 at 16:03:39
I think Ball, Sharpe and Kanchelskis at least will be very disappointed at that opinion!
16 Posted 12/07/2010 at 16:04:51
17 Posted 12/07/2010 at 16:58:34
I wouldnt leave Everton if they offered me 15k a week but I'm an Evertonian,
Gosling isnt and never will be so I fo one, will not miss him!
Great to see that the Toon fans are lauding this as a sign that they are back in the big league - nicking our 5th choice centre mid..
18 Posted 12/07/2010 at 17:01:32
One thing though, after the whole Manny Fernandes incident you'd think we would've avoided "gentleman's agreements" henceforth. Maybe we should rethink our own business practices with that regard...
19 Posted 12/07/2010 at 16:50:34
So - not counting his earnings at Plymouth that's over £6m before tax.....?
That cant be right.... can it....?
Newcastle must have a printing press going like the clappers somewhere under St James Park thats all I can say.
20 Posted 12/07/2010 at 17:11:27
21 Posted 12/07/2010 at 17:16:01
22 Posted 12/07/2010 at 16:52:50
A point was made about Gosling was leaving due to the need for 1st team games in his favoured central position, but did he not check out the Newcastle squad before signing. Nolan, A Smith, Guthrie and our friend Mr J Barton all can play in that position and I don't consider him any better than them.
In the end of the day, there was a mess-up with the contract, but it seems the club are more bothered losing a potential £4M than losing a 'starlet'.
23 Posted 12/07/2010 at 18:24:45
We can go on about player's lack of loyalty and scruples but this ranks alongside any of them.
Good riddance, Judas.
24 Posted 12/07/2010 at 18:42:41
I feel sorry for Plymouth - who clearly need the money even more than us and have lost out on their 25% sell-on. Why? Because he wanted an extra £12k a week. He should agree to donate half that extra money to Plymouth over the first two years of his contract.
25 Posted 12/07/2010 at 18:36:26
He's picked the wrong club and the wrong time to leave, but on the other hand with Arteta, Fellaini, Pienaar ( we hope ), Cahill, Bily, Osman, Rodwell and Anichebe all clearly ahead of him in the queue he would not have played that often so it won't make a lot of difference.
We have more important things to concentrate on like getting in the Top 4, paying homage to the 24 year rule etc while The Magpies can worry about staying up.
However, I would say that it is another example of the shocking state of Everton off the pitch and somebody should get the sack. If you or Icost our businesses a couple of million quid and made us a laughing stock, we'd be gone the same day. Ian Ross is very quiet on this so we know they fooked up big time.
26 Posted 12/07/2010 at 21:52:53
27 Posted 12/07/2010 at 22:02:53
28 Posted 12/07/2010 at 22:04:22
29 Posted 12/07/2010 at 23:31:18
Everton screwed up and lost a *potential* transfer fee, that's the only real downer in all of this.
30 Posted 12/07/2010 at 23:56:42
Do they think we are soft? I have always been of the opinion that i wont believe anything regarding our club until I see it on the Official Website, but this to me just goes to prove that in reality the 'Official Website' is simply there to drip-feed us what they want us to know. Anything negative to do with the club doesn't get a mention.
Everton have dropped a major clanger with this situation, and it seems they have thought that by not mentioning it, maybe we won't even notice it has happened...
31 Posted 12/07/2010 at 23:58:02
Then more reliable sources carried it but still nothing on the OS ? classic symptoms of denial? Even the Premier League website carried an official-looking announcement. My thought then was, perhaps they are still holding out for a full reversal on appeal, and Gosling will still be an Everton player...?
But then he did apparently walk away, fully in line with the rumoured story, which had by this time been pretty fully fleshed out. But instead of acknowledgment from the Club, we got the classic snow-job appearing in the Echo, cynically designed to place the player in the role of bad person and to avert any blame from the Club, who are, as we know, a completely innocent victim of a "gentleman's agreement" cynically not observed by one side.
Now Gosling will apparently join Newcastle ? although not until after the tribunal appeal, according to the Guardian ? and his No 19 shirt has been assigned to newcomer Magaye Gueye. The only possible recourse will be that the Barcodes are (on appeal) forced to pay some sort of development fee compensation. If true, why on earth does the Official Site STILL say nothing? It really is quite astounding, and thoroughly disingenuous regarding the estimation of our intelligence as fans.
Oh, but there I go again, putting the club down... However, a part of me still suspects they actually engineered all of this, based on medical records for the lad's knee, which presumably were NOT released... as why would they have cooperated with the Newcastle 'medical' (ha!) and ludicrous signing? The only gamble would have been the lost development fee... which they may still perhaps secure on appeal.
Oh I love a good conspiracy theory!!!!
32 Posted 13/07/2010 at 01:28:04
Only every other Evertonian on the planet, Michael.
"Do they think we are soft?"
You'd better believe it.
"it seems they have thought that by not mentioning it, maybe we won't even notice it has happened..."
Now you're getting the hang of it. That's how soft they think we are.
As MK says, it's thoroughly disingenuous. Even an interim statement would suffice.
33 Posted 13/07/2010 at 02:12:39
34 Posted 13/07/2010 at 02:43:39
Having said that, even a brief press release confirming that the club won't be talking while it's in play wouldn't have gone amiss.....
35 Posted 13/07/2010 at 02:29:38
I think by looking at it this way though, it's giving Everton more credit than they deserve ? the whole thing's been a shambles. Poor naive Everton or devious money-pinching wankers who put injured players out to dry... Neither a good light to be seen in.
Going to Newcastle is a terrible idea. He won't get the first team opportunities once/if he recovers, and unfortunately those players who simply seek to line their pockets before thinking of their careers simply don't have the opportunities handed to them at an international level either ? just look at Lescott and Parker.
Well done Dan, enjoy your money and The Toon... Sink a few with Gazza and piss your career away.
36 Posted 13/07/2010 at 04:21:53
Ferraris at the bottom of Gosling's garden are a much more believable possibility.
37 Posted 13/07/2010 at 04:03:47
The truth is, no matter what is said by the fans, managers and the players themselves (albeit in a low voice), there is little club loyalty when it comes down to cold hard cash.
Yes, there are a few players who feel obligated to their clubs, to stay, IF they are comfortable and the money is right. And don't feel that we are the superior to other clubs, if the club doesn't "poach" a little, it is foolish not to.
It is an art to identify young talent, improve it and reap the benefits. Managers who have smaller clubs (and less of a transfer budget) depend greatly on homegrown talent. brought up through the youth or reserves. They also depend on inside information, keen observations in spotting talent in other countries and leagues that are often overlooked.
Often they MUST take chances and sometime they don't work out. When they do, they then worry about being poached by another team up the food chain. So it goes.
So here is my "tip" to those in Toffee-land as someone who follows the MLS closely (being a native Southern Californian) and can see talent floating under the radar of the larger teams.
So how about a big, agile, 6'5", 205 lb, young, smart centre-back? He is a starter for his MLS team. His University football (soccer) team won an NCAA Division I title, and finished runner-up the year before. His teammate was one of the young New Zealand players who went undefeated in their World Cup group.
Out of University, he won a starting role for the Columbus Crew (Brian McBride and Brad Friedel played for this team, which went on to win the MLS Cup).
His manager is a former Toffee himself, Robert Warzycha. And last, but not least. The lad is from LIVERPOOL! Meet Andy Iro:
Can he be bought reasonably? Yes, the wage disparity between the MLS and EPL means that, barring a bidding war, he can be bought for a small price.
Can he play in the EPL? RIght away? Perhaps, Perhaps not. He was taken from the college ranks and thrown onto the an MLS first team right away. so he is used to sudden adjustments, and it seems that the transition from the MLS to the EPL is still difficult for all but the best players, but it's getting better. The fact that he would be playing in his hometown and not a foreign country has a lot to do with this adjustment.
Will Everton go after this guy? They would be foolish not to, and if they wait, they will most certainly lose him to another English team. So that is my player tip of the year. This one is almost a no-brainer. He is under the radar for now and his manager is loath to publicize him to anyone (including Everton) as his talent (and height) is hard to find right now.
38 Posted 13/07/2010 at 07:07:25
However, he would have been wise to listen to the old adage ? absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yes, Gosling has held all the cards in this... but if he thinks he is as good as Rodwell, then it's not just a doodgy knee he's suffering from ? it's a dodgy mind.
When Rodwell's contract was yet to be signed, it was Chelsea and Manchester United that where "sniffing around" ? have they shown any interest in Super Dan? No ? doesn't that say it all?
So he scored the winnwr in an FA Cup Tie against Liverpool ? so did Imre Varadi didn't he and did we miss him?
Dan Gosling has been good for Everton... but Everton have been good for Dan Gosling. When he is unable to get a game for Newcastle or is languishing in their Reserves ? as I hope that he finds himself doing ? I hope that he has time to reflect upon that.
As regards news on the Official site, when I look on the Everton website, I have more important things to look for than to check up on news about Dan Gosling. If the PFA had an award for the Player with The Most Inflated Opinion of His Ability then Dan Gosling would win it by a mile. He is clearly a legend in his own mind. And we are well rid of him.
39 Posted 13/07/2010 at 08:59:03
40 Posted 13/07/2010 at 11:31:38
I?m not saying Gosling IS that bargain, but the media attention thrown our young players? way (probably due more to Dan riding on Jack and Wayne?s coat-tails) has made him appear a brighter prospect than he is. So even if we thought he was crocked, there would always be a Newcastle, Sunderland or Bolton ready to risk £2million on him.
There have even been rumours this summer linking Bolton with a £1million bid for our very own sick-note James Vaughan. And a rebuff of West Hams £4million offer for Yak, a player who in Toffeweb eyes is way past his best after a similar injury and should probably be drawing his pension.
What I?m saying is that when very average players like Glen Johnson are moving for around £18.5million, the small numbers of £4million and under are seen as neither tempting enough by the selling club to part with a potentially decent player, nor risky enough to the buying club who stand to bring a potentially useful player in.
So if my options are to believe that a club who have been able to accumulate £27million for Neil, Johnson, Beattie, McFadden, Davies, Kilbane and Bent:
a) Didn?t think they?d be able to offload Gosling for a fee so refused a risky two year wage extension in favour of cooking up an elaborate scheme to get rid of him, or
b) Made yet another monumentally amateur administrative cock-up in the same vain as Kings Dock and the Nyarko work permit situation?
?Then I?m afraid my money?s on the latter.
41 Posted 13/07/2010 at 10:54:27
I've always thought he's an average player showing on occasion a good bit of play but that's about it. I think that's why I'm not to bothered about him going other than his total disrespect to Moyes and our great club.
Best scenario would be if Newcastle flirted with relegation for about 4 years (you know, so he can get a bit of abuse from our fans), then get relegated, during which time he can not get into any England team and watches Rodwell become an England regular. I'm not bitter though... Honest.
42 Posted 13/07/2010 at 12:58:42
I would certainly turn down £15 grand a week from Everton.
I'm shit. It wouldn't be fair on the fans!
43 Posted 13/07/2010 at 13:15:22
Pienaar seems to suffer from the same disability to sign a contract. How can the club benefit from that? If he signs that contract, at least we will get money when he possibly leaves the club at the end of next season.
44 Posted 13/07/2010 at 13:28:52
...but you have an interesting point. It could be that Gosling signs the contract for Newcastle just to play "shit" for them (when needed). =)
45 Posted 13/07/2010 at 13:58:34
46 Posted 13/07/2010 at 14:09:11
Spot on Michael Brien. Until we hear from either side the motives behind this can only be speculated on but....
The sad thing for me is that Dan Gosling is no Wayne Rooney, Jack Rodwell or even Franny Jeffers. He's a decent little player with good ability, spirit and a bit of a knack for being in the right place at the right time. He's been given a fair crack and earnt a bit of respect and rarely a bit of a cult reputation. He's got potential, but that's all at the moment and is about to leave one of the best clubs proven to develop that potential... for what?
After all he was only guaranteed to be a millionaire ? not necessarily a multi-millionaire ? if he stuck with the Blues.
If it is about money, that's fine; what stinks is he doesn't even appear to have hinted that he wanted out of his contract ? which is probably one of the reasons for the "admin cock-up" because the club naively probably didn't feel it was necessary. The theories about the club possibly looking to fuck him over should his knee not recover I take on board, and don't discount, but if that was the case I guess we'll never find out.
If, however, it has all been orchestrated by Dan and his agent, for those of you that revel in sticking it to Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman on a weekly basis, think on. Players we should be proud of and show more respect too, and this is why. Gosling on the other hand will have fucked us over and the club that gave him his break in the first place.
If it's down to the club, Dan, I apologise for all of the above and wish you the best of luck. Otherwise... well you know the rest.
47 Posted 13/07/2010 at 14:42:13
I had been hoping it was all just more paper talk and thought even with this error it would just take Dan to put pen to paper.
I now accept that Dan has left, with the fact his squad number was given to Gueye. I just found it hard to believe as he has been given plenty of opportunities and highly regarded by Moyes who even gave him the opportunity to play in the Prem and an appearance in the FA Cup Final ahead of Rodwell!
Such a basic error will most likely never happen again as everyone will learn from the huge mistake within Everton's administration.
It's disappointing that Everton could be so slack and that Dan would take advantage of a situation that he had already agreed in principle. I can understand him wanting more money (as who doesn't) and game time and that he was a little down the order but he did get opportunities and could even have gone out on loan but by choosing this route he has turned his back not only on Everton but also Plymouth who both took gambles on him and aided his development.
He has shown himself to have no principles and has treated Everton with even less respect than Lescott, Barmby or Rooney.
I feel Everton will soon move on and will hopefully tighten up on potential flaws but if Gosling has indeed turned his back, I will have no respect and will only despise a player of such low moral caliber.
48 Posted 13/07/2010 at 14:45:54
As I've said, let's say you were a footballer, an Everton fan, and you end up playing for West Ham, getting paid £15k pw and Aston Villa offer to pay you higher wages ? you would probably be happy to leave.
49 Posted 13/07/2010 at 15:44:51
Dan Gosling verbally agreed a new deal with Everton. EFC never followed this up wth a written offer (this seems to be the norm).
Dan Gosling or his agent think, "Why are they messing about? Let's see what my options are..."
Suddenly, his options are worth a good few quid and he changes his mind; perhaps he thinks, "After all, if they really wanted me, they would have had this sewn up the minute I agreed verbally."
The fault lies with EFC, not the other way around. So thanks for the memories Dan and I hope you go on to have a good career as a goalscoring midfielder, a la Tim Cahill.
50 Posted 13/07/2010 at 16:25:18
51 Posted 13/07/2010 at 17:25:09
52 Posted 13/07/2010 at 18:52:31
I actually think that Dan will be an ok player but not with a club with any aspiration other than survival, The way he went only confirms that Bill Kenwright presides over a regime which is unworthy of the supporters.
53 Posted 13/07/2010 at 19:51:49
If that's the case then I think the young man has a rather inflated opinion of his ability and a rather unrealistic one at that. Funny isn't it that Man United and Chelsea are not scrambling in a mad rush to sign Danny Boy? I think that we are well rid of him, it may seem old fashioned in 2010, but I do happen to think that loyalty should count for something.
As regards Dan Gosling, I think the whole episode has shown him in a bad light ? as Cindi Lauper puts it, "I see your true colours..." We've seen your true colours, Dan ? let's hope you don't regret your actions, which at best are rash, at worst selfish.
54 Posted 13/07/2010 at 21:58:51
He is forgotten already.
55 Posted 14/07/2010 at 00:16:07
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