It looks to me as though quite a lot of us are getting slightly ahead of ourselves. I refer to the clamour that if we keep the current players and hopefully add Donovan, a Top 4 place is almost a certainty, we have a squad of players which every other Top 8 manager would dream of and we are about to play the most fantastic ? Barcelona-esque? type of football the Premiership has ever seen.
Well just lets keep our hats on for a little while. I still see a few problems ahead of us. While we all seem to think Donovan is the missing jig-saw piece, I still get the jitters whenever I see Yobo in our defence, and particularly if he?s next to Hibbert — and therein lies my concern — our defence will prove to be our Achilles this season.
Whilst we all hope that Coleman will become Moyes?s first choice right back and if cover is ever required there then Neville would fit in, I don?t see that Yobo could effectively cover for either of the two centre halves. He is becoming the biggest liability on our books. He has struggled for the last 2-3 years, his confidence is shot and he will undoubtedly cost us goals big time if he is called on to play. We desperately need 4 good centre halves, Jags (who hopefully is not out for the next 2 months), Distin, Heitinga and someone else ( Duffy is far too young). I don?t believe Moyes will ever want to choose Jags and Heitinga as first choice pairing if we loose Distin to injury Yobo will cover.
At left back we have Baines and er ?. Baines. The attacking threat we have this season is very dependent on the likes of Coleman and Baines bombing down the wings. We have cover for Coleman just about but we have no-one who can cover for Baines effectively.
WE have enough ammunition going forward with Saha, Beckford, Yakubu, Pinnear, Bily, Gueye, Anichebe, Vaughan, Cahill and enough quality with our playmakers, Arteta, Rodwell , Fellaini . If Donovan joins then Moyes?s problem will be how can he keep all these players happy and happy enough to stay for the duration of the season.
In my mind we have only 7 defenders good enough — Hibbert, Coleman, Jags, Heitinga, Distin, Neville and Baines. We desperately need more cover there and if Bill Kenwright can come up with cash — who would you spend it on — Donovan or a quality defender — preferably left footed.
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1 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:18:33
Everton also have a Youth Academy in New Zealand ... win win situation.
2 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:20:08
A quote from Moyes this afternoon that we all may find somewhat disappointing:
After his side's 4-2 win over Norwich City at Carrow Road, Moyes said: 'The price which the MLS would want would be big and that might be a problem.'
3 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:17:28
The thing is Mike, he used Heitinga and Neill for a sizeable part of last season, and they are both right-footed. So I don't see how you can say that.
But in answer to your question, Donovan, without a doubt. But the huge proviso is as usual, "if Bill Kenwright can come up with cash."
4 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:25:44
Who is there out there we could bring in? I haven't a clue, but with no money to spend it's time DM raided the second tier, just like he did to get Jags and Lescott a few years ago.
5 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:49:40
6 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:50:34
Love that America "WHOOOAAAHH AWRIIIIIIIIIIDE" winning mentality.
7 Posted 31/07/2010 at 22:51:42
8 Posted 31/07/2010 at 23:35:18
9 Posted 31/07/2010 at 23:18:23
10 Posted 31/07/2010 at 23:28:43
My vote would go to strengthening the defence. Hetinga isn't the answer and can only be seen as a stop gap. I'm a huge fan of Donovan and it would be wonderful to have him back. But for me solidity at the back must be the ultimate priority.
11 Posted 01/08/2010 at 00:20:24
12 Posted 01/08/2010 at 00:31:35
I think we are light in midfield too, out wide at least. And first thing's first. We know we have no money. Wheel and deal is the way it has been at Everton since I can remember.
And defenders we have. Albeit we need back up of an extra one or two to replace say Yobo, maybe Hibbert. But first choice, we are fine. Out wide, I'm concerned.
Moyes seemed to rule out Donovan today, citing the cost.
As I've said before, I'd love Pienaar to stay. But, I'll be bloody cheesed off with Moyes if we keep Pienaar without a new 4-year deal. It would be like paying £12 million for a loan player.
How does that make any sense?
So money: Sell Pienaar for £12 million; £9 million for Donovan, the rest for a back up LB. Sell Yobo, and if necessary Hibbert, for a CB. Although I was fairly impressed with Hibbert at CB last year.
I'd say we'd still be a winger light, but that is it. And we simply must not allow Pienaar to run down his contract. I don't care how good he is.
I don?t believe Moyes will ever want to choose Jags and Heitinga as first choice pairing if we loose Distin to injury Yobo will cover.
What does that sentence mean, btw?
13 Posted 01/08/2010 at 01:22:16
"we have a squad of players which every other Top 8 manager would dream of and we are about to play the most fantastic ? Barcelona-esque? type of football the Premiership has ever seen"
Bring `em on - let's twat `em
14 Posted 01/08/2010 at 02:06:49
15 Posted 01/08/2010 at 07:17:57
16 Posted 01/08/2010 at 08:32:56
You are so right, but unfortunately this board we have, especially Kenwright, haven't got the sense they were born with !!!
17 Posted 01/08/2010 at 09:39:21
18 Posted 01/08/2010 at 10:13:27
19 Posted 01/08/2010 at 10:51:43
But surely the Donovan transfer would be a case of speculate to accumulate, in that it's not a hopeful punt on an unknown quantity, if the club played it right (yeah alright I know) they could recoup at least some of the fee through merchandise, and of course it would finally end the right midfield
problem that we've had since Kanchelsis left.
IMHO Donovan would be a step up as he's a goal scorong midfielder, and would also post a notice of intent on the Prem's door
20 Posted 01/08/2010 at 11:11:26
Okey dokey. Nurse, what time do the visitors come?
21 Posted 01/08/2010 at 11:32:50
A capable back-up defender is definitely welcome of course, but right now we really need our attack to come from both flanks.
22 Posted 01/08/2010 at 11:56:07
23 Posted 01/08/2010 at 12:23:52
24 Posted 01/08/2010 at 12:51:31
25 Posted 01/08/2010 at 12:59:26
Donovan every time , he brings balance to the side and doubles our attacking options, by that i mean he provides a threat on the right & pace.
26 Posted 01/08/2010 at 13:52:10
27 Posted 01/08/2010 at 14:52:34
As I've said elsewhere on here, I am excited about the forthcoming season. I think we have two decent keepers, a very strong midfield group to pick from (standard disclaimer: as long as we keep Arteta and Pienaar), and decent options up front. But it's the defence which has me worried...
Baines - No major issues with Baines, though I think he stands off wingers too much and let's them get their crosses in. Ever noticed how he does the whole "look ref my hands are behind my back" thing that has become a bit of a fad? Just tackle the bloke, Leighton. Anyway, that's not the point. We really do need cover for Baines, if he gets injured our left side could be a disaster.
Hibbert/Coleman/Neville - between them can do a job at right back, so no real concerns there.
Yobo - I have to say I agree fully about Yobo. He's like the outfield equivalent of David James. He'll be brilliant throughout the game, but then there's that moment, that moment we know oh so well. Was watching the Premiership Years the other day when we lost at home to Liverpool last season. You could almost hear the collective "oh Joseph..." as Yobo sliced a clearance for their second. Anyway, I don't mind Yobo as cover but he shouldn't be a regular.
Jags - no worries with Jags, one of the best CBs in the league in my opinion.
Heitinga - I am not a big Heitinga fan. I thought he had a poor world cup. He undoubtedly has talent as a footballer, but I think his whole "can play anywhere" attitude has harmed him. Remember that Robinho goal agains the Netherlands. Heitinga inexplicably decided to come out of the back line and cover the man in the "hole". Brazil played the simplest of passes and Robinho tucked it away unchallenged. And it's those small mistakes which cost goals/games, and I those small mistakes that I believe he wouldn't have made if he'd been playing CB his whole career. But that's just my opinion.
Sorry, I never intended this post to go on this long, getting a bit carried away.
Distin - I also don't rate Distin too highly. Similar to Yobo I think he'd provide excellent cover if we had to use him for a few games here and there, but in my mind he is not a good enough defender to be playing regularly in a Champions League side, and that is what we are hoping to be.
And Duffy I have seen very little of.
I would love to have Donovan at Everton, as we've all seen what he can do for us. But personally I would be more inclined to sign a CB of real quality.
28 Posted 01/08/2010 at 15:53:41
Distin and Yobo make mistakes, errm, so do all footballers, personally I like Jonny and Jags in the middle of defence and the other two are fine for cover, so no we don't need a central defender.
Attacking midfielder, I like this one why do we need another attacking midfielder? We have Piennar, Bily, Ossie, Rodwell (more attacking this season according to DM), Gueye, and Cahill, enough is enough.
Donovan, quick, good passer, good finisher, marketable, wants to be at the club, if we do a deal for anyone it has to be him, if we can't, I hope Vic keeps improving!!
29 Posted 01/08/2010 at 16:42:29
30 Posted 01/08/2010 at 17:15:50
Heads should be rolling at the total ineptitude shown by how that mistake occurred....I do not buy in to the continual acceptance of the having no money line...other clubs are active outside the top eight so why are we just taking freebies and loans ??
31 Posted 01/08/2010 at 17:26:12
We simply do not keep enough clean sheets especially against poor opposition.
Although Jags is our best CB he has a tendency to hoof the ball too often and doesnt score many from set pieces which most winning sides do (Terry, Vidic etc.).
Distin and Yobo lose concentration too easily and Heitiga is not that good in the air.
If we dont or cant get a quality CB in my solution would be to play 2 defensive mids i.e. Neville/Rodwell or Felli/Rodwell with Coleman and Baines as wing backs.
Although we are enjoying it our also think our change of culture in becoming more attack minded is not helping.
But for me its a no brainer a high quality CB is essential if we are to win things.
32 Posted 01/08/2010 at 19:05:33
At centre back we have Distin, Yobo, Jagielka, and Heitinga with a couple of youngsters waiting in the wings in Mustafi and Duffy.
When Fellaini was playing and covering our defence I don't remember many aerial balls bypassing him and therefore for me, the pairing should be Heitinga and Jagielka. Although in fairness, Distin has surprised me with his quality.
33 Posted 01/08/2010 at 21:10:03
Heintinga was easily our best CB last season and Jags was easily our best CB the year before, so I dont see a problem with them two. Jonny is also the only one of our 4 CB's who looks to pass to a midfielder rather that a striker.
34 Posted 01/08/2010 at 22:33:26
Just a thought!
35 Posted 02/08/2010 at 07:35:23
Donovan may not be amongst the "top 10" in his position - but he is clearly an international class player. He certainly looked at home in the World Cup.
Not only would be bringing in a fine player - and one that in my opinion has yet to reach his peak - it would be a great boost to morale. And his age ? Well I recall how that factor seemed to put us off signing Brian McBride on a permanent deal in 2003. He certainly showed he was capable of playing in the Premier League - indeed he played a large part in keeping Fulham in the top flight.
Signing Landon Donovan would give us all a great lift - it would be like it was when we signed Duncan McKenzie,Peter Beardsley and Duncan Ferguson (from Newcastle) - In fact I seem to recall when we signed Beardsley we had lost out to Liverpool in the race to sign Dean Saunders. But when we signed Peter Beardsley who really cared about missing out on Dean Saunders!!!
We should "move heaven and earth" to get Donovan to come to Goodison.
36 Posted 02/08/2010 at 08:00:14
37 Posted 02/08/2010 at 11:23:03
Donovan all the way, and I have a feeling it might just happen.
38 Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:07:27
39 Posted 03/08/2010 at 10:17:55
I'd choose Donovan definitely. We can surely afford a cheap left back or a loan signing or something.
40 Posted 03/08/2010 at 11:19:18
I wouldn't sell Yobo either - has pace and doesn't get injured much.
Left back is were we are light on for cover - offshore loan deal.
Sell the farm for Donovan - with him on the right, Piennar on the left and all that talent in the middle of the park we will run riot this year.
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