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By Nick Entwistle :  04/09/2010 :  Comments (39) :
Far be it from me a humble reader/ contributor to give suggestions or even start this thread on the best fan site in the world... but I was thinking of ways to improve the site.

1) Is it possible, now that most people are logged-in, to have the article and mail bag headings highlighted in a bold blue if further responses have been added since you were last within that submission?

2) Also, how about an out-of-ten rating you can give at any time to allow supporters to register their satisfaction on all things Everton. Just a small box that would give an average 4.7 or 7.2 on the happiness scale. It would chart the rise and fall, be it post match result, injury update, or BK BS. Retrospectivly, matched up with specific dates/events from the season, it would be very interesting information to view.

3) You could also on clicking the box and have a duel rating, divided by fans' pre-stated position ? be it Anti-Moyes Brigade or Moyes Apologist.

Of course, you superior fellows who run the website have day jobs and do what you can to bring us this great site, so feel free to slap me down.

Be gone with you, Entwistle!

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Joey Brown
1   Posted 04/09/2010 at 07:07:52

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Also it's really cool on some other sites you can comment on someone's comment and it just extends that comment line further... don't know how tricky that is... but it makes things easier... you don't have to state who you're talking to.
Eugene Ruane
2   Posted 04/09/2010 at 08:06:30

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In the spirit of the thing.

A permanent thread called 'IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN YOU LYING CUNT'.

I detest the way newspapers (particularly in the summer) get away completely with printing 100% invented stuff.

"JAGS SET FOR GUNNERS" (nb: 'set')


Total, total, total bollocks and apparently, no comebacks.

The thing, coz we only read one paper at a time, we seem prepared to overlook one individual bullshit item per day.

However when you see hundreds of articles together in one place, ALL bollocks...well if it saves one child from buying the Mail it'll be worth it.

(plus, we could have a count up at the end of the year, find the worst offender).
Robert Daniels
3   Posted 04/09/2010 at 10:32:08

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Very good Eugene,

Why not call it The Kenwright Column !
Brendan McLaughlin
4   Posted 04/09/2010 at 10:41:15

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- an agony column
- a readers wives page
- some sort of safety mechanism that wont let you log on when you are pissed & make a fool of yourself
Nick Entwistle
5   Posted 04/09/2010 at 11:18:21

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Maybe a panic button in case you're being groomed? :D
Brendan McLaughlin
6   Posted 04/09/2010 at 11:29:42

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What about predictive text?
Maybe not I can just see the server going into meltdown when somebody types in "Moyes is...."
David S Shaw
7   Posted 04/09/2010 at 12:07:31

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The odd time I've rcognised the name of a poster and wanted to ask them something but, unless you catch them immediately after they've posted, you can't get to speak to them.
Marc Williams
8   Posted 04/09/2010 at 12:13:31

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What about running the annual 'ToffeeWeb Appeal' a bit like the one childrens program 'Blue Peter' used to do. User's could send in old bottle tops, stamps or foriegn coins etc..... I'm sure we could double 'Billy Boys' tranfer kitty in a day or two !

You could have a lovely 'Totaliser' graffic (Viewable 24/7), showing how much we've raised, next to an empty space showing our chairman's personal contribution.

Alex Baker
9   Posted 04/09/2010 at 12:07:03

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The thing that annoys me most about this site is when you want to respond to someone you have to copy and paste their argument into your own post. I know plenty of other forums that have a 'quote button' that takes care of it for you, and even boxes it so it's still distinguishable from what you are writing yourself. Would this be possible?
Charles King
10   Posted 04/09/2010 at 13:04:27

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Nick, point 1 gets my vote; I wouldn't be interested in the voting bit of point 2... and point 3 will probably be redundant after Xmas or Easter, almost certainly before next season.

Eugene scores with the equivalent of a diving header, quality stuff.
Dennis Stevens
11   Posted 04/09/2010 at 13:18:10

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It would be handy if at the bottom of the page, after reading the articale & comments, there were a couple of buttons for "Home" & perhaps "Back to Top of Page" & even maybe for the section you're in "Mailbag", etc.
Ray Said
12   Posted 04/09/2010 at 13:39:37

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Can we have a 'Tosser of the week' competition for those journos/experts who have most dismissive of the blues?
Tony J Williams
13   Posted 04/09/2010 at 13:40:06

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Alex 8, don't need to quote just do as I have done. Mention their name and number of the post.

Brendan, I wish that they could do a computer with a breathaliser. The number of times I have logged on bladdered and made a tit of myself is unbelievable.

Don't need the angry column, we already have a site full of angry heads, me included.
Michael Kenrick
14   Posted 04/09/2010 at 15:45:55

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Nice ideas!

1) Re flagging threads with new stuff you haven't read... A question for Lyndon. Sounds difficult but I know they do that on some threaded discussions boards.

2) The rating thing... I thought this was something like that aewful "Thumbs Up " shite from the Official Site, but I think your intent is closer to the idea of the ToffeeWeb poll; however, we tend to let them sit around too long... and then don't get new ones up ? like now! [BTW, suggestions for TW Poll questions always welcome.

3)... errr.. Nar.

Some other good ones...

Eugene (#2): This was pretty much my original intent of our Rumour Mill; however, it's hard to implement this kind of kick-back until you know the outcome, which can be weeks or months later. We could add an Outcome Box: [Lie / Total Lie / Complete Lie]... and the totting up would be informative, but far too labor intensive! Maybe someone could pull up last season's Rumour Mill and process it for us?!?

Alex Baker (#8): Sorry but I personally can't stand reading the same thing 10, 15, 20 times on those threads that do it automatically. The numbering system works well enough for reference, methinks. The selective cut-&-paste that some do is just fine. So, sorry but that's a No.

Dennis (#10): Clunkier versions of the site from years ago had a lot more of those buttons. I guess they don't fit so well with the sicker design ethos of the WebMeister, but the web browser itself should have a way to get back to the top, where our main menu is always available. Safari does that on my iPhone, but not on the PC.

Keep 'em coming!

Tony I'Anson
15   Posted 04/09/2010 at 16:54:40

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I would say this - allow YouTube video embed code to play a video on the page and during discussions.

Now I can imagine the fun or embarrassment of all this when Tony Williams (#13) comes in gassed and posts up a video ranting on about something.

Or are we all too shy and retiring types all with imaginary identities, which means I've been posting comments to a bunch of strangers?
Nick Entwistle
16   Posted 04/09/2010 at 17:40:15

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Sometimes the YouTube links play within discussions, though is that because the TW guys have made it so?

What about Skype recorded messages sent through as post match reaction etc? Is that possible?

... and a GPS tool to track Big Dunc's location at all times...
Matteo Rosingana
17   Posted 04/09/2010 at 21:06:06

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I think the look of this site is far classier than any other football site; as the title of the thread suggests, don't change it. Simple, clear, user-friendly. If folk want icons, smileys, quotes, etc then NSNO has a very good forum for that. But for the extended, in-depth ramblings of the intellectual Everton elite (wink, no smiley required), then this format does just fine, thank you to all concerned.
Derek Thomas
18   Posted 05/09/2010 at 07:46:46

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Intellectual?? Oi you #17 you takin the piss or what, burp, burp,ZZZzzzzzzz.............
Tony I'Anson
19   Posted 05/09/2010 at 09:53:15

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Let's start of this YouTube video concept with David France himself.

Tony McNulty
20   Posted 05/09/2010 at 09:43:08

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Derek old boy, henceforth, when completing one?s curriculum vitae, and considering one?s affiliations, a chap ought certainly to reference one?s membership of the intellectual Everton élite.
James I'Anson
21   Posted 05/09/2010 at 09:55:40

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The format is fine. Clear and concise. The quote system totally pisses me off and I end up switching off.
David Hallwood
22   Posted 05/09/2010 at 10:35:19

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All very nice Jamie Carragher's testamonial (boyhood blue), raised lot's of money for charity. My suggestion for TW is-Get that fuckin red shite badge off our site!!
Matteo Rosingana
23   Posted 05/09/2010 at 11:13:15

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Anthony (20), one's membership should be kept a closely guarded secret, and not revealed to any outside this blue relam, let alone in the real world, lest we forget the truest of all Toffeeweb's sayings: 'what happens in cyberspace, stays in cyberspace'.
Tony McNulty
24   Posted 05/09/2010 at 11:30:13

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Mispelling each other's names (mine is actually Antony, not Anthony) should perhaps be introduced as our equivalent of the funny handshake.

Unless anyone can think of another way ToffeeWebbers can identify each other in public (e.g. pink shirts; nervous tic at the mention of the word Kirkby; vomiting in public at the sight of red; foaming at the mouth if anyone ever whistles a tune which involves walking alone.)

Suggestions on a postcard.
Matteo Rosingana
25   Posted 05/09/2010 at 12:00:42

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Sorry Tony / Antony, my apologies.

Robert Daniels
26   Posted 05/09/2010 at 12:07:03

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How about an old school type ToffeeWeb tie or cufflinks, or maybe a ring with a secret emblem on it, only known to the elite.
Colin Ryan
27   Posted 05/09/2010 at 12:35:57

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Can we just leave everything as it is cus it's the best bloody Everton site around. It's my homepage and the owners deserve great credit for making this site what it is today.
Tony I'Anson
28   Posted 05/09/2010 at 16:12:18

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What about putting our location below our names and above the number of each post. This would serve to emphasize the international nature of the debates that take place on here.

Tony I'Anson
27 Posted 05/09/2010 at 16:14:57
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
29   Posted 05/09/2010 at 17:52:23

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Tony (#28): I like the location suggestion, and thought this should be something asked for when registering. On the upside, it would demonstrate the international breadth of the Everton fanbase.

Sadly, on the downside, it would be used as another ad hominen factor in dismissing contrary arguments and views. There is already a bias toward the position that people who attend the games in the stadium have the clearest picture of proceedings, and that those who "only" watch from afar by the miracle of television are disadvantaged, biased by commentary... blind, etc.

Other locational factors could impinge, like we've already seen regarding being Irish or American... and as for living in Leeds, Hull, Newcastle, or... god forbid... Birmingham!!!

I'd vote Yes in part to try to reverse such bigotry... recognizing it would be a big ask for some.

Fran Mitchell
30   Posted 05/09/2010 at 18:39:09

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How about a ratings system for articles and mailbag submissions. Toffeewebbers rate them out of 10. Then each toffeewebber would have their rating next to their name. e.g. Fran Mitchell [7.1].

At end of each season, there is a ToffeeWebber of the Season award for the person with highest ratings.
Nick Entwistle
31   Posted 05/09/2010 at 19:36:35

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The Tony Marsh award perhaps
Tony J Williams
32   Posted 05/09/2010 at 21:05:30

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Ah Nick, the poisoned chalice!
Tony McNulty
33   Posted 05/09/2010 at 23:20:01

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Fran (#30) perhaps we need a suitable rating scale. Each contribution gets between one and ten ?Duncans?, which are pictorially represented by boxing gloves. Alternatively we have a scale going from 1= you walk alone, to 10 = a Mike Walker. On second thoughts ? Another idea: a ?1? could be designated ?Kopite? but I sense a Kenrick blast in my direction for that suggestion.

Robert (#26) Like the ideas. What about being able reproduce a ?Screech? pirouette, or organise a Duncan Ferguson burglar welcoming committee. And you?re right, why shouldn?t we have Toffeeweb rings? After all some people think Kopites identify each other by rings, though generally these are through their noses.
Chad Schofield
34   Posted 06/09/2010 at 00:06:50

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Some really nice ideas, though obviously site's very good as it stands. I like the barometer of how people feel alongside polls. You could leave it up without modifying each year so shouldn't be too labour intensive.

In addition to the above suggestions, could writing #23 (for example) not automatically create a link to that post? And purely because using my phone in the site a lot more... All comments fit perfectly on screen, but I have to scroll left to see who wrote what, so any chance of tweaking this slightly so name post no. And date/time above on small screens?
Tony I'Anson
35   Posted 07/09/2010 at 07:14:01

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What about a hyperlink on contributors names that they can activate/deactivate from their own login? If activated, if takes readers to a page about the person making the comment.

This page could link to all the TW articles that they have written. Plus, like on Linkedin the individual could reveal some more information about themselves. I think this would be a powerful additional aspect arguments being put forward - especially if the Club are reading.

There are many people who write on TW who have normal professional lives so if they were to reveal a bit of this, I think it just adds more credibility to debates, specific points being made, the site and maybe Everton to read a bit more intently.

Ooh that's a good idea, no it isn't, yes it is, no it's not. I said it first, he's rubbish, no he's not.

Yeeze, it's actually harder to type like that. No it isn't, yes it is............
Jamie Morgan
36   Posted 08/09/2010 at 11:57:41

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Pictures of Kelly Brook in an Everton shirt would certainly help!
Liu Weixian
37   Posted 08/09/2010 at 11:56:42

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These are the things I would like to see on Toffeeweb:

- A longer text box. It's easier to proofread what you write if you don't have to scroll up and down a lot.

- The removal of the html text. The auto-generated tags are quite irritating. A normal formatting style, something like what is found in MS Word, would be brilliant.

- A colour tag (based on geography) for each member. Evertonians come from all over the globe. It'll be nice if we know where one another comes from.

The number of posts each member contributes. Just for info purpose.
Tony I'Anson
38   Posted 10/09/2010 at 22:50:32

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You may have noticed I've posted quite a bit on TW in the last week on various articles, writing comments about this and that, based on my spontaneous reaction to a comment made.

However, as time goes on, I can find myself forgetting sometimes what I've said and which article I've said it on.

So for many regular posters, I reckon a summary area of all our own posts where they can see in list format all the posts we have written during our ToffeeWebalholic-ness addiction would be very useful to each of us.

Then if readers wanted to more about our train of thought, and the point we were trying to get across, they could refer to all the things we have said on TW in an instant. And we would be able to recall all the statements we've put out there on
Brian Denton
39   Posted 22/09/2010 at 17:26:14

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Is there any way this site can be tweaked so that the most recent posts 'bump' the subject up to the top of the Mailbag? I would like to comment on subjects a few posts back, but there's no point as generally people only read the top two or three items in the Mailbag. Most will not bother looking at the tenth item down, even though somebody may have contributed something interesting in the last few hours.

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