That may sound dramatic, but is there really anything left that people can say is a positive about his management of our club?
We have the same old players guaranteed a place in the squad regardless of performance (I'm not talking about the "obvious" candidates like Osman and Hibbert, atrocious as they are, but I also point a finger at Arteta, Neville and the ilk who have been completely useless thus far.)
Also, this is undoubtedly Moyes's squad. This, in his own words, is his best squad he's ever had. He didn't even feel the need to improve the squad; just to add bits and bobs.
We have won absolutely nothing under his management. In the past three years we've go backwards since the 4th place achievement. We have players out of position despite having a fully fit squad (only two first team players ? Neville and Cahill ? were missing today, along with an impact player in Rodwell).
We have no goalscorers, no Plan B when we go a goal down, no attacking threat down the flanks, players arguing with each other on the pitch.
Granted, we'll probably "come good" in a month or so, and we'll climb up the table and finish in a safe position, probably even top half. But that's not the ambition is it? We don't have a title-winning squad, but nobody is calling for that. What is worrying is that, after so many years under Moyes, we're stagnant ? no, not even stagnant, we're going backwards. We're as far away from Europe as ever.
And Moyes hasn't shown the slightest sign that he's willing to learn from mistakes, adapt and improve. He plays one unproven striker at home to Newcastle.
How long do we have to cope with a manager who, as long as he continues to manage this club, will lead us to mediocrity year on year? I appreciate the job Moyes did in stabilising us in his early years, but come on...
Well, after my first paragraph, I guess I did write an article after all! I constantly hear the counter-argument that "we can't do better than Moyes". But is that performance today (and the previous three as well) really the best we can expect?
All I can say is good luck answering the above rhetoricals, because I can't. I personally think we're fucked as long as Moyes remains in charge ? not because we could be relegated, but because watching Everton is like watching paint dry, whilst punching yourself in the face.
A sad day to be a blue.
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1 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:25:22
2 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:26:10
Lets just say he does call it quits...
SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN SVEN....
3 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:25:32
4 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:34:22
Moyes selection is puzzling to my 10 year old daughter.
I'd take the fat spanish waiter over Moyes right now
5 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:36:50
6 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:35:05
"Fellaini was good today; he's even better in his proper position. Arteta was more like himself toward the end there, going foward. Coleman looked a threat down the wing. Maybe we should try Billy in his proper position"
I reckon that's what Alan would be saying now.
7 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:38:06
My patience is wearing really,really thin now.
I won't put any more effort into this comment though as the Everton players also refuse to show it.
Ok, one more thing. Worst performance in a long, long time. Horrible and god damn awful.
8 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:37:41
9 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:46:15
The striking options/crisis at the club are entirely his fault....
And as for his puppet, Mr Round.... I wouldn't let that fucker shine my shoes..
10 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:41:55
I can't answer any of your rhetoricals Lee. Starting Hibbert and Osman week in week out is nothing short of negligence.
It is indeed a sad day to be a blue.
11 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:47:50
Our only capable striker is injured for a large parts of the season. Everton are shite at the moment as we will continue to be when we have no pace or skill in the side. How many times do players get in good positions and we just don't have the players to find them? We have two defensive midfielders against Newcastle at home and we still lose.
12 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:52:33
13 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:52:06
Hopefully it's temporary and we'll soon start picking up points again. Would I say crisis? Yes it certainly is as there is no limit on down side in the PL.
14 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:52:40
A proactive manager with new ideas and inventions is most certainly needed. Moyes is one dimensional, he keeps saying he is learning but how long is he going to keep learning? With the mistakes he makes he just doesn't want to rectify mistakes and overall is a VERY VERY stubborn man.
Gone are the day of Moyes's Gem buys, we have no money but we need a different type of character someone in the mould of Ian Holloway. Yes you may laugh but then may would have laughed at David Moyes as a contender eight years ago.
15 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:57:24
I think Moyes' refusal to sell is his way of exposing the board for what they are.
16 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:04:08
17 Posted 18/09/2010 at 17:55:24
Our board are so feckless any serious decision is as informed as Wayne Rooney's grasp of Quantum Theory.
Hope they're being good boy scouts in "being prepared".
18 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:06:14
19 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:07:27
Sounded dire. Proper dire.
Heard Arteta mentioned.... oooh... twice? Pienaar.... three... four...? Osman plenty. Tripping over himself.
Only positive was it sounded like Distin had a good game, or am I wrong?
Frustrated. Disappointed. Angry...?
I found out on Wednesday that I might be being made redundant at Xmas.
My boss said "we've got to be prepared to the worst" to which I joked:
"Why, do you really think we could lose to Newcastle on Saturday....?"
Seemed pretty funny at the time.
20 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:16:34
I actually think we have a strong side, but I'm beginning to wonder whether another manager would employ it better.
21 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:21:45
22 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:20:30
So his (DM's) big salary is effectively for him to carry the can.
23 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:41:11
I'm going to get plastered tonight now then so I either
a) I fall asleep before MOTD
b) If I watch MOTD I wont remember it in the morning
c) I'll be in no fit state to get up at 7am tomorrow to watch the rerun.
I thought we were nailed on today.
Gutted. Properly fucking gutted.
24 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:00:39
25 Posted 18/09/2010 at 18:58:30
Fucking Dour negative crap
26 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:15:48
Something has got to change the Yak looks so overweight and I dont know how this has been allowed straight after pre-season.
they say insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results and how many times have we seen osman and hibbert on the right together, Gueye and Vaughan would atleast be something different.
I am totally fed up, I do have some sympathy with Moyes with the transfer budget but spending all that money on Billy???
And finally Heitinga has been shite this season a def midfielder that didnt put a tackle in today!
I'm off to get shitfaced
27 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:15:27
28 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:31:33
Some people seem fearful of a new manager saying "if not Moyes then who"?
But remember Moyes in terms of being a premiership manager was a nobody when he took over but to some now hes the untouchable Messiah.
Moyes deserves praise and has received many accolades himself which have somewhat maybe exaggerated how good he is. From afar his work seems outstanding but if you follow Everton daily as we all do we all know it's never been plain sailing under Moyes. Strops, sulks, the contract saga, crisis team meetings yo-yo seasons.
Your only as good as your last game and our last 5 have been fucking shocking.
So why not take chance on something different this website is getting a s erious case of deja-vu as its the same shite we discuss all the time. A lot of mangers would love to work with this squad.
The squad has outgrown/outclassed him. His style of management may suit certain workman like players but in a squad with Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini, Heitinga etc he doesn't know how to use or utilise such players. He would be happier with players more on his level e.g. Neville, Hibbert and Osman hard honest grafting players.
Tactically we need a new dimension a brave new dawn. We battered Villa and Newcastle for 45 mins after going a goal down but why not start matches like this?
David well done I appreciate your efforts, but to move forward you as a manger must step back.
29 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:29:28
Actually , with a squad with no forwards that are competent, and you can only blame the manager for that, I am not sure anyone could do any better.
I hope we can buy some forwards in the next transfer window. This is a fight against relegation, I have no doubts about that.
30 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:37:41
31 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:44:30
32 Posted 18/09/2010 at 19:46:03
"1 million pound transfer fund."
How much did Newcastle's team cost?
Moyes had almost £30 million on the bench; he may have balanced the books, but he has spent over £100 million on players.
33 Posted 18/09/2010 at 20:06:13
It's time for a change, end of!
34 Posted 18/09/2010 at 20:26:53
35 Posted 18/09/2010 at 20:19:08
Yet again today as I have stated before the Everton team where unbalanced. When is Mr Moyes going to learn he has been here for eight years now.He is not setting the team up properly.
Why was Felli played up front he is our best defensive mid?
Why was Osman played wide right he cannot play there?
Why was Heitinga played defensive mid play him at centre back or not at all ?
Why was Bily played out wide again he cannot play there?
The term 'square pegs in round holes' comes to mind with the managers selections this season. Davey please select players in their correct positions we might win a game.
I cannot believe how bad we where today I never believed all the hype at the start of the season but I never thought we would go backwards as a team.
36 Posted 18/09/2010 at 20:07:20
Anyway just finishing the first bottle of red. Now i'm starting to give the second bottle the eye !!
I think the word for it has to be stagnation. It's not about only having one mill to spend. It's about ideas and creativity. So far this season we are lacking both.
The best defense so they say, is attack. And, at this point in time we are just not doing this.
We have some great footballers in our club but as a guy who has always in the past sided with the Moyes phylosophy his thoughts and creativity to utilise these players now looks to be on the wane.
As for another manager I dont think it will happen and I think that we will just have to ride the storm. If I was to think of another manager then it would likely be someone as, say, Slaven Bilich.
For some reason this guy has got an evil streak within him. You know, like when you are 2-0 up and he turns into some sadistic monster and you end up winning 5-0.
Thats what I want. What I dont want is to see the stagnation that we are witnessing at this present moment.
37 Posted 18/09/2010 at 20:59:15
It was absolutely crucial that the players were prepared for the start of the season to hit the ground running and Bill Kenwright, David Moyes and EFC have yet again failed to deliver!
38 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:08:58
Your site I know but..
39 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:18:53
40 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:18:44
No balance and no fucking idea. Repeats the same mistakes time and time again. Moyes is so inept tactically we will never win a thing. I hope he becomes Manager of somebody else quickly. I was slated a couple of years ago for suggesting Chris Coleman because he likes to attack. Well he may not have been ideal but for god's sake ? enough is enough.
41 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:38:55
42 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:45:03
We have played Wolves, Newcastle, Blackburn and Villa; in that time, how many shots have we had on target?? No more than 5 would be my guess.
43 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:43:13
The quote was from to-day's match forum thread.
I don't think any Everton player should be the subject of this kind of abuse, no matter his perceived performance.
If the same person, in a later post, criticizes the manager, I think it legitimate to point out his earlier comments on virtually every player, but particularly Osman.
If you deem it to be point scoring well...
44 Posted 18/09/2010 at 21:54:51
We've had the 'pleasure' of all the games live so far this season, and the pattern is so fucking familiar. Our team is 'set-up' (for want of a better phrase) to simply not lose - so that can't be described as a plan..... at least not to proper Evertonians. Well, plan or not, it ISN'T FUCKING WORKING MR MOYES!!!!!! Are you the only person in the world that can't or won't see this?!?!?!?!
Christ on a crutch..... why not send out a Charles-Charlie Charles 2-3-5 in the next match...... afraid we might lose or ,at best, not win? Well that ain't fucking happening now, so why not at least lose in style?
Fuck me..... words fail me at the moment. Sometimes, being an Evertonian pisses me right off.
45 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:01:52
46 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:19:18
There are distinct signs of staleness and his team selections are becoming stranger each match .
Lets hope Man U continue to struggle and come calling very soon- we might even get some compensation from them!
We can then seek fresh ideas behind what we all agree is basically a strong squad - I would love Peter Reid as manager.
47 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:19:40
1) It's clearly off topic, as this thread is about the manager and not yet another pathetic display by Osman... yea, yea, played out of position by the manager, blah, blah... but even so, it's off-topic.
2) By posting that here, rather than challenging the OP author in the context of the Live Forum, you were trying to do what exactly?
3) Pretty much anything goes in the Live Forum; it all gets deleted. Have you been to the game itself? Have you heard the things people say during the game? And you're going to pull the holier-than-thou gig on here? Sorry, not on my watch.
4) But your real point is that no player should be subject to such abuse. Sorry, but Osman is absolute and utter shite; telling him to "Fuck Off" may be going a bit far, which is another reason why I deleted your post from this thread, but since you want to make such an issue of it, I believe it is a succinct way of conveying the same assessment of yet another atrocious performance by one of Moyes's favourites, whose presence on the field was a prime factor contributing to today's dismal display and dire result.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to call out fellow Evertonians for their responses when the real problems are on the field and in the manager's office.
48 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:51:13
In the past I have defended Moyes to the hilt but I think, after 8½ years, maybe it's time to look elsewhere. Problem is: who wants to replace him? Although I for one would not miss his negative tactics. Very, very worrying and depressing. I hope Moyes at the very last tore strips off them when they got back into the dressing room. Makes you wonder about player commitment.
And I don't think it's wrong to speak your mind about players and manager. I once nearly got battered for booing a player while standing in the Upper Gwladys many years ago. We are entitled to your opinions as ordinary people helping to pay the wages of millionaire footballers who can't be bothered. Shame on them!
49 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:53:09
I also felt a little sorry for Beckford who had made some decent runs that were never seen, and we obviously don?t play to his strengths. However, Yakubu gives us more options, has greater experience and is a proven goal scorer in the PL so play him from the start and give Beckford a chance from the bench when the game stretches later on.
Our painstakingly slow build-up play, lack of pace throughout the team, and limited striking options only compounds the need to play the best player we have for each and every position. C?mon, Mr Moyes, every fan in the ground could see this today so why can?t you?
50 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:44:44
I hate to harp on about this, but I was pleased with the timing of the substitutions and the tenor of them. I wish he had yanked Osman off and put Coleman in right-mid. We are so truly fucked in that position, it might just work.
I'm worried that DM will draw all the wrong lessons from this. Beckford is failing because of service and because he's isolated; Bily is failing because he is played out of position. In other words, they've been set up to fail. I imagine DM will be more reluctant than ever to play either of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Bily's played his last game in a blue shirt. And, sadly, I imagine there would be a number of Evertonians happy with that. Can't help thinking another manager would mould him better.
51 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:39:02
If Billy isn't a winger, why isn't he played as a striker? At least he can score from outside the box, with a decent career record of 45 goals in 218 games. However he does generally play as a left winger for Russia so perhaps we could try playing him in his best position!
We could then play Piennar and Coleman together on the right, which looks an exciting prospect.
52 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:54:04
53 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:54:21
Many/most will want Moyes to go. OK, don't necessarily disagree, just as I wanted him to be sacked over his contract stand off and had a go for many reasons over past 5 years.Perhaps we are now at the bridge too far point. Dropping 13 points against Blackburn, Wolves, Newcastle and Villa is rubbish.
So, what's the plan? Who should replace him? And please, don't make me laugh by saying MON. He's not good enough & needs money we don't have.
Gus Hiddink likes us. He'd be my number 1. But...Consider who has outperformed Moyes over the past 7 or 8 years as a whole, it's a short list boys and nobody on it would want to move. So now what? Who will get us into teh top 4, challenging for the title, playing like Barcelona and with little or no money to spend?
Or haven't you thought that far?
54 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:34:47
1) The thread is about the manager.
I didn't comment on Osman's display ? good, bad or blah blah. I simply pointed out the contradiction.
2) You are seriously suggesting that I raise this disagreement during the game?
3) There is a difference in what people say while at the game and posting on a forum. Holier than thou? Spin?
4) So your point is that any player is fair game for any type of abuse but particularly Osman who in your opinion is absolute and utter shite. I am not holier than anyone but do recoil from that type of diatribe.
As for your final spin, surely I am entitled to criticize anyone who blames players and in the next breath posts an article on why the manager is at fault. But blaming someone for "calling out fellow Evertonians" is always a winner.
55 Posted 18/09/2010 at 23:35:34
56 Posted 18/09/2010 at 23:38:42
57 Posted 18/09/2010 at 23:19:35
Moyes has had is chance, years and years, but now it's time for some guy who can make our team into a conglomeration of Wimbleton and arsenal a reality. I think Bilich deserves that chance.
Remember the croats against E ngland. Sorry but there is no one else.
I loved DM but it's now stagnent and he doesn't seem to have the cognos to win football matches.
Davey I loved you to death, but your time is gone.
58 Posted 19/09/2010 at 00:22:54
59 Posted 19/09/2010 at 00:10:31
We are not getting an awful lot of the school of science. It's not about waiting for about 10 years, it's because we've waited ten years, and nothing has hapened.
I think it's about time we had something to cheer about, like about now.
Dont you think.....
60 Posted 19/09/2010 at 01:02:42
61 Posted 19/09/2010 at 01:53:26
62 Posted 19/09/2010 at 07:09:26
Also, I blame Moyes, but I also blame the players. I'm pretty sure in this article I call Osman "atrocious".
Maybe read the thing?
63 Posted 19/09/2010 at 07:13:46
64 Posted 19/09/2010 at 07:15:59
65 Posted 19/09/2010 at 08:52:09
Moyes is well past his sell-by date and is the most overrated manager this club will ever have.
The only thing worse than his dour style is his arrogance.
Perfect Christmas present for me would be Moyes down the road and Kenwright on the phone to Fulham about getting Hughes out of his contract.
Would be the best signing we have made in years.
66 Posted 18/09/2010 at 22:41:08
But anyway, there is no one out there who is free and would except the shit finances that Moyes has at his disposal.
O'neill is the best free agent out there, maybe even Sven (please no) but they wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
Our best bet would be someone from a lower division, but that would be taking a giant leap backwards.
67 Posted 19/09/2010 at 09:21:18
68 Posted 19/09/2010 at 09:40:20
To me it's both a results and an entertainment thing. Under Moyes I don't think I've ever been entertained really but in the present climate I've been prepared to overlook that as generally the results have been reasonable when all things are considered. Consistent top eight finishes prove that.
I now think that a David Moyes has probably transformed the club in terms of the overall quality of the playing staff but another coach/manager could certainly get more out of the current ones and play more entertaining football. How about Roy Keane?
69 Posted 19/09/2010 at 09:52:24
And like I said, who would you have that is available..? Or if paying Moyes off, which would be a failry large sum, the probability is we would have to then pay for someone else to come in, he would then want money (which we don't have), we would be in just a similar position. I just think that after 5 games, which haven't all been dire, we just need to see the bigger picture. It doesn't make good reading now I know....
70 Posted 19/09/2010 at 09:56:32
Keane is another good shout to be fair.
Above all else, what we need is a WINNER. Moyes has never won a thing of note in his life, his career was third rate,and his managerial style is third rate. He's a loser, and he sets his teams up in his image. Negative, dour,defensive...safe.
Hughes, Keane...whoever...let's just get this idiot out of our club.
No money for signings but we can afford to pay this joker 60k a week...yeah, no wonder he'sstill laughing his way through interviews and thinks it's all a big joke having 2 points from 15. He's a complete and utter disgrace.
71 Posted 19/09/2010 at 09:59:51
He has been in charge for EIGHT years and spent good money in assembling HIS team. Why do people keep harping back to the past as a defence??
Let me put it another way. In 8 years, we have won fuck all and play horrendously negative football.
6 years before David Moyes arrived...we won a trophy.
So tell me, why is 'the past' something to fear??
72 Posted 19/09/2010 at 10:03:21
73 Posted 19/09/2010 at 10:54:47
74 Posted 19/09/2010 at 13:17:09
Otherwise I wouldn't turn my nose up.
Martin Jol is a name mentioned and I have to say I think he would be a brilliant manager. Unfortunately isn't available.
75 Posted 19/09/2010 at 15:58:32
If you are narrowing down 'available' to being unemployed, then, yes...I suppose it is easy to forever say "there's nobody else".
Thankfully, that isn't how it is.
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