Justification for Moyes as Manager?

Our only capable striker is injured for a large parts of the season. Everton are shite at the moment as we will continue to be when we have no pace or skill in the side. How many times do players get in good positions and we just don't have the players to find them? We have two defensive midfielders against Newcastle at home and we still lose.

We have played Wolves, Newcastle, Blackburn and Villa; in that time, how many shots have we had on target?? No more than 5 would be my guess.

I don't think any Everton player should be the subject of this kind of abuse, no matter his perceived performance.

If the same person, in a later post, criticizes the manager, I think it legitimate to point out his earlier comments on virtually every player, but particularly Osman.

If you deem it to be point scoring well...

3) Pretty much anything goes in the Live Forum; it all gets deleted. Have you been to the game itself? Have you heard the things people say during the game? And you're going to pull the holier-than-thou gig on here? Sorry, not on my watch.

4) But your real point is that no player should be subject to such abuse. Sorry, but Osman is absolute and utter shite; telling him to "Fuck Off" may be going a bit far, which is another reason why I deleted your post from this thread, but since you want to make such an issue of it, I believe it is a succinct way of conveying the same assessment of yet another atrocious performance by one of Moyes's favourites, whose presence on the field was a prime factor contributing to today's dismal display and dire result.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to call out fellow Evertonians for their responses when the real problems are on the field and in the manager's office.

In the past I have defended Moyes to the hilt but I think, after 8½ years, maybe it's time to look elsewhere. Problem is: who wants to replace him? Although I for one would not miss his negative tactics. Very, very worrying and depressing. I hope Moyes at the very last tore strips off them when they got back into the dressing room. Makes you wonder about player commitment.

And I don't think it's wrong to speak your mind about players and manager. I once nearly got battered for booing a player while standing in the Upper Gwladys many years ago. We are entitled to your opinions as ordinary people helping to pay the wages of millionaire footballers who can't be bothered. Shame on them!

I also felt a little sorry for Beckford who had made some decent runs that were never seen, and we obviously don?t play to his strengths. However, Yakubu gives us more options, has greater experience and is a proven goal scorer in the PL so play him from the start and give Beckford a chance from the bench when the game stretches later on.

Our painstakingly slow build-up play, lack of pace throughout the team, and limited striking options only compounds the need to play the best player we have for each and every position. C?mon, Mr Moyes, every fan in the ground could see this today so why can?t you?

1) The thread is about the manager.
I didn't comment on Osman's display ? good, bad or blah blah. I simply pointed out the contradiction.
2) You are seriously suggesting that I raise this disagreement during the game?
3) There is a difference in what people say while at the game and posting on a forum. Holier than thou? Spin?
4) So your point is that any player is fair game for any type of abuse but particularly Osman who in your opinion is absolute and utter shite. I am not holier than anyone but do recoil from that type of diatribe.

As for your final spin, surely I am entitled to criticize anyone who blames players and in the next breath posts an article on why the manager is at fault. But blaming someone for "calling out fellow Evertonians" is always a winner.

To me it's both a results and an entertainment thing. Under Moyes I don't think I've ever been entertained really but in the present climate I've been prepared to overlook that as generally the results have been reasonable when all things are considered. Consistent top eight finishes prove that.

I now think that a David Moyes has probably transformed the club in terms of the overall quality of the playing staff but another coach/manager could certainly get more out of the current ones and play more entertaining football. How about Roy Keane?

And like I said, who would you have that is available..? Or if paying Moyes off, which would be a failry large sum, the probability is we would have to then pay for someone else to come in, he would then want money (which we don't have), we would be in just a similar position. I just think that after 5 games, which haven't all been dire, we just need to see the bigger picture. It doesn't make good reading now I know....