No imagination, no spark, no new ideas and a team that is predictable and easy to neutralize. Decisions start to look all wrong. Heitinga in midfield, Fellaini as a striker, Osman on the right, retaining Distin. Basic flaws in the team still not put right, no pace on the right, poor distribution from the back, no regular goalscorer. (What does he do to goalscorers? They all stop scoring at Goodison: Johnson, Beattie, Yak...) Everyone in the ground can see it apart from him.
And what about the much-admired team spirit? Look at the players after every Man Utd goal last week, lots of pointing, head-shaking and shrugging, no-one encouraging or motivating. Yesterday, when Harper got injured, Heitinga seemed to be passing a message from Moyes to Fellaini urging him further forward. The response was shrugging, arm waving, head shaking and lots of verbal. Heitinga himself looks surly, petulant and disinterested. It doesn?t look like good team spirit to me, despite the late goals v Man Utd.
Is he getting the best out of what we think is the best squad we?ve had for ages? What is Cahill?s role now? Unarmed combat with the opposition centre-half rather than a quick passing midfielder who gets forward with late runs and scores. Although he has generally brought good players to the club and improved them, Moyes seems to lose faith in some very quickly: Bily, Beckford (taking him off at half time can?t have done him any good, even if he was struggling)... Vaughan.
He has been prepared to throw young players in but rarely gives them an extended run. Vaughan again, scored a couple around Christmas last year but was out again soon after. With no other strikers fit that was surely the time to stick with him for 10-12 games to find out once and for all whether or not he has what it takes at the top level.
Moyes is basically a cautious manager and he can?t shake that off. Even though we have played good football at times, with wins against Chelsea, Man U and City last season, he seems to revert to caution and the long ball all too easily with the team sitting deep and few players prepared to risk anything. Sporting Lisbon away last season, what was the plan? Sit back and wait and see rather than go and go out, take a risk and make something happen.
Why the reluctance to ever play two strikers? Why do we always have to bring all 10 players back to defend corners? The play is predictable, square, across and back, until we can play Pienaar and Baines in. Few players ever make runs forward into unfamiliar areas. No one seems to want to take a risk.
I wonder what his personal ambitions are? Does he want to make it to the top or is he happy battling for 5th to 8th every year? Has the struggle against the greater resources of other teams just worn him down? Maybe he should follow Steve McLaren?s example and go abroad, learn something new and refresh himself. I think the players are good enough to go up a step but I don?t think he is and the likes of Pienaar, Rodwell, Heitinga, Arteta won?t hang around for 5th to 8th place finishes for long.
If we fail because the players prove to be not good enough for the next level, I can take that; but if it?s because the manager lacked the ambition and imagination to try ? then that will be a terrible waste of an opportunity.
I don?t like saying it but I think he?s gone as far as he can and a new face would get more from these players. Someone in the mould of Guus Hiddink: open-minded, adventurous, experienced in different leagues, and with a few creative ideas.
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1 Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:10:34
So what do we have to do? Liverpool have had several offers this week alone!!!!.
Bill if you ever read this LISTEN! you cannot sell the club and keep total control, i know you love the club but so do we and we deserve better. We have no money AGAIN.we need a billionaire because that's the market place we are in.
The perfect investor does not exist just the super rich who want to own a football club, hopefully we can get somebody like randy learner from Aston Villa but at this moment in time we just need to stay in touch or go backwards.
2 Posted 19/09/2010 at 17:55:18
I believe this will be Moyes last season and maybe the last season for one two or three of our bigger name players as well. Then Billy Boy will really start feeling the heat from all quarters!!
3 Posted 19/09/2010 at 18:16:50
4 Posted 19/09/2010 at 18:14:15
5 Posted 19/09/2010 at 18:54:45
Pathetic man. This is what Kenwright and Moyes have reduced people to.
Anyone would think Moyes is Mourinho or Ferguson the way some of our fans go on. It's a joke. We will win NOTHING with Moyes in charge.
Kenwright and Moyes OUT.
6 Posted 19/09/2010 at 18:54:48
7 Posted 19/09/2010 at 19:09:30
8 Posted 19/09/2010 at 19:14:50
My point is I think he has done as much as he can at Everton, and I appreciate what he has done, but I think he needs a new challenge and Everton need fresh ideas. Everyone gets stale in a job eventually.
9 Posted 19/09/2010 at 20:35:40
Where do we go from here? who knows but sadly we've been here before, two seasons ago it wasn't until the end of Nov, til we got going; ditto last season, in fact mark it in your diary- November 25th, because that was the date we got beat by Wigan at the JJB stadium, with a piss poor performance on a freezing night in the 08/09 season and I had the pleasure to watch that turgid pile a? shite. And then bugger me didn?t we do exactly the same on the same day last year at Hull, with a 1st half performance that was probably one of the worst displays in recent years, if you remember we shipped 3 goals against a struggling Hull side.
The Moyes out went into overdrive both times, and eventually went away we had reasonable seasons.
However I think this time may be different because of expectation levels, so maybe he does need a change of scenery, but unless we get Derren Brown who can magic £50 notes from his back pocket, it?s going to be same old, same old.
10 Posted 19/09/2010 at 21:48:44
11 Posted 19/09/2010 at 19:46:35
That's not an answer though is it? It's just the rote response of those people overly fearful of a future without the prematurely anointed 'Moyesiah'. To claim without Moyes "there is no future for us" is both ludicrous and laughable. Yes, on the whole, he's done a good job at the club. Good, but by no means great. He admittedly steadied the ship after the woeful reign of Walter Smith, removed the regular spectre of relegation and plucked a few bargains out of the air, but to claim his record at the helm makes him irreplaceable is, frankly, insane.
How long can you carry on being grateful for small mercies? For all the positive aspects of his reign there are an equal amount of (embarrassing) negatives. Lowest points total in living memory, least goals scored in a season, worst start to a season in 15 years, record defeat in European competition, an absolutely pathetic derby record, only two decent cup runs in 9 years etc.
A lot of Evertonians at the moment are like emasculated employees stuck in a dead end job, with no prospects of promotion and all their hopes and aspirations long since trampled underfoot. They're unhappy and unfulfilled but would never dare leave because they're too fearful of not finding anything else."Things could always be worse", they tell themselves as life passes them by...
12 Posted 19/09/2010 at 22:30:41
That is who, I bet he would love to come back to England, realistically he is not going to get a top 4 job back here and Everton would be the ideal team for him to re-build his reputation in England.
He has won trophies including one in this country he has a good record of bringing through youth at Middlesbrough plus we have his former No2 already at the club in Round.
I don't know what money he is paid at Wolfsburg but would be surprised if it exceeded the rumoured 65k a week that Moyes gets.
13 Posted 20/09/2010 at 07:36:24
14 Posted 20/09/2010 at 12:59:13
Martin Joll has unfinished business in the Prem, he was an attack-minded manager in this league, got Spurs playing some exciting football and was eventually treated like shit when the chairman of Spurs decided to pick the players for transfers. I think his footballing philosophy would suit our club and he is a likeable character that the fans will take to.
Martin O'Neill might win us a League Cup or FA Cup but that's all if we're lucky. Passionate, battling teams, one up front (usually a big strong tactically naive striker), long ball (in the air more than on the ground), money wasted on a lot of average players and when theres no money to spend, which will happen from day one under the obsessive fat liar, then how long will he last? No, thankyou!
15 Posted 20/09/2010 at 13:22:08
Right first off we have no money. Our transfer budget came from a bosman being sold on 6 months earlier, and that went on 2 free players and 2 foreign lower division players. So all the people expecting great things, the table doesn't lie, and all the teams in the league have spent more than us and therefore have had a better start, even if it is from one spark in one game. I mean there is only 2 teams that have not won yet, we are one of them.
16 Posted 20/09/2010 at 13:55:35
Do you seriously expect nothing more than 19th place and no wins yet from your Everton?
17 Posted 20/09/2010 at 14:21:01
18 Posted 20/09/2010 at 14:05:23
19 Posted 20/09/2010 at 17:17:32
If you step away from the club you see it for what it is. That may be an excuse for some people to accuse the board and all that of running the club into the ground. The sad fact is we are not in the same league as Spurs or Villas or even the Red Shite.
Maybe, just maybe, the problem is Moyes cannot take us any further, but no-one else can either. Instead of sacking, maybe we should accept right now what we have, rather than expect miracles from a manager put in the same boat.
20 Posted 20/09/2010 at 18:32:59
Are we now saying that because Birmingham have spent more than us, we have no right to expect to be above them? Also, I don't understand your point about the teams who have spent money, have had the better start, what has money got to do with them having a better start than us?
At the end of the day,aren't we supposed to be better than the Villa's, Bolton's, Fulham's, Sunderland's etc?
21 Posted 20/09/2010 at 19:00:06
Guys I give you Dwyte York and Andy Cole. What a combination. Some of the CL games I saw these guys play I remember I was just awestruck bt the way they seamed to always know what the other was thinking. And it worked.
We have two players that I think, that with the right coaching and fine tuning could achieve this.
Beckford and Vaughan. These two in my humble opinion should have been brought together for pre-season and also worked on at the training ground.
It's not to late. Imagine Donovan on the right flank with a great defender (YES HIBBERT) behind him. Baines and Pienaar on the left and Becks/ Vaughan in attack.
Dustbin on the bench, etc etc at the back. If not Donovan then Coleman attacking wide right. You can fill in the rest of the positions. But whatever argument you may have it's got to be a more creative line up that we currently have, with the players we have. I dont want to slag Moyes off and neither do most of TW but there comes a time when we need to get our thoughts and opinions across to Goodison Park and know that they have been heard. Just because we dont get paid 65k a week doesn't mean to say that we dont know anything about A/ football and B/ OUR TEAM.
22 Posted 20/09/2010 at 19:51:14
23 Posted 20/09/2010 at 21:17:33
24 Posted 21/09/2010 at 00:03:21
25 Posted 21/09/2010 at 09:35:32
26 Posted 21/09/2010 at 10:22:03
If you believe that this idea is over the top, then look no further than across the park at Liverpool parting company with Mr Benitez, a proven winner, with 2 CL Finals to his name, with one of them victorious.
Or Martin ONiell played in Euro Cup final for Forest, won 2 League Cups and appeared in another final, with Leicester City, etc, etc, but now out of work, resigned on a matter of principle.
27 Posted 21/09/2010 at 16:17:16
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