So in essence we cannot get away from it, so maybe that could be an excuse for "us" blues, as to why we have become OBSESSED with laughing/taking the piss out of our lovable neighbours.
Let me firstly stress that I am an avid match going blue, who most certainly has a healthy dislike for our "rivals" so to speak... but this is bordering on embarrassment from what I am witnessing of late. Am I the only sane one amongst my fellow blues? Be it mates, acquaintances, forums posters,etc.. who can see, just how the fuck can we be taking the piss??
We are level on points with them, 3rd and 4th from bottom respectively, we both have had record-breaking bad starts, and yet Evertonians have the audacity to "have a go" at the loveable kopites!! If we had just won the league, or even a cup, or were riding high as early Premier League leaders, I could understand... but, let's face it, we are just as shite as them.
With regards to their current plight, they are indeed in the financial crapper; however, it's all relative, and if you compare it to our financial situation, ours is worse ? much worse; they may have more debt, but theirs is more sustainable ? they are, after all, a globally well supported team (unlike ourselves) with a multitude of revenue streams to call upon (unlike ourselves). But, more importantly than that, they have a large fan base that actually care about their club's well fare (unlike ours).
Look at the following questions, Blues, and ask yourself what the answer would be:
1) If the "yanks" would have offered to take them to Kirkby in exactly the same deal as ours, what would have been the reaction from their fans?
2) If they had to sell their best protégé arguably in their history, to a rival team on the drip, what would have their reaction been?
3) If they had been lied to by "one of their own", who happened to be the Chairman, on a multitude of occasions, about a variety of reasons (stadium would fail the 2010 safety certificate; Fortress Sports Fund cheque in the post; looking for investment; but at the public enquiry Elstone said no board members would sell their shares; watch this space; no-one wants to buy football clubs, wouldn't sell for less than £50 million, the £30 million is ring-fenced etc .....the list goes on)... what would their reaction be?
4) If their chairman/board changed AGM/EGM rules so that no individual shareholders had a say or the right to question the major shareholders in any way, what would their reaction be?
5) If they had had three failed ground moves in the last 15 years or so, and had wasted millions in doing so, What would their reaction be?
6) If they had won one trophy in the last 20 years or so, what would their reaction be?
Let's face it, our ? or might I say YOUR ambition has sunk that low, that you take the piss out of them! Let's get OUR own house in order first!
Say what you like about them, they care enough to moan, whinge, whine, protest etc to get what's best for their club. But we are just so apathetic, we get walked all over by our own board and have done for decades, and yet we just take it.
Laugh at kopites? ... Laugh at ourselves!!!
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1 Posted 07/10/2010 at 03:13:38
Our esteemed leader, Mr 24/7 doesn't believe these type of deals are out there. After all he has been looking now for how long? I wonder how long it will be before the "Talking to three parties" comes out again?
BTW, after that comment, nothing.. no update, no word, zilch.. is it any wonder we despair.
We are sitting at the bottom of the table ahead of the RS on goal difference, with a future that is as unclear now as it was 8 years ago. Thats just not acceptable.
Frankly we are not as marketable as the RS, we all know that. But then there is always a deal to be done for he right price. Will it take Everton to go to the wall for it to be sold?
Will it take us to be relegated before we are sold for a pittance?
I don't believe there isn't anyone wanting to buy Everton FC, I believe they don't want to be encumbered by the conditions that may be attached.
One of two things have to happen for Everton to become a major force again.
1. We find a consortium with money prepared to fund a team and a club to get it into the Champions league on a consistent basis.
2. That the Sky funding and structure of the Premier League falls apart and we end up with a more level playing field.
The second point isn't going to happen unless something major in the world happens, and Sky no longer hold the purse strings. But the first is still a possibility that needs to be found.
We will need to be picked up for a bargain price for the first one to happen. Therein lies the problem.
2 Posted 07/10/2010 at 04:59:09
Or could it be a case of thank god that Bill has the common sense to keep us well out of that kind of tawdry scenario?
It is pitiful to see RS fans jumping for joy and salivating at the prospect of their birth right being sold to another profit orientated franchisee. With each of those deals their club is removed that bit further from its roots. Have they no pride or dignity left?
3 Posted 07/10/2010 at 08:10:12
4 Posted 07/10/2010 at 08:09:28
I thought it was just me who was embarassed by the mickey taking; after all, it is only goal difference that keeps us out of the bottom 3.
Having said that, I do understand why people want to laugh at them. It is after all their sense of superiority that makes their position laughable. We, however, seem to have taken the view that "we're shit and we know we are" and success for us is to be above them.
Which set of fans has got it right? Those that believe their team should be the best or those who will accept mediocrity.
Age might be dimming my memory, but wasn't it HK in the eighties who believed that if we finished above them then we would win the league? If we could get back to those times then I would be making anoise about it.
5 Posted 07/10/2010 at 08:57:14
That's a long time to have abuse hurled at you by the "loveable koppites" (don't make me fecken laugh, by the way that comment could make you sound like one) Audacity? Loveable Koppites....seriously?
The fact is they ARE below us, yes on goal difference but if the league finished tomorrow they would be relegated, we wouldn't.
Yes some of the "abuse" is over the top, I prefer the subtle approach myself but for you to get all indignant in the stead of those absolute bellends across the park is surely a piss take.
6 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:28:58
Comparing Everton to Liverpool has never been very succesful because it implies both clubs are on an equal footing with similar expectations, which has not really been the case for a number of years.
The fact is at the start of the season Liverpool supporters where still expecting to be title contenders (same as last year) whilst no-one really thought Everton could finish much higher than 4th in the league.
Yes, we are both in similar positions at present but they have fallen alot further to get here.
There is also the issue that we have played well in a number of games this season for few points, Liverpool have generally been poor in pretty much all of them and couldn't really argue much of a case for deserving any more points than they have.
7 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:26:12
No wonder I / We are bitter.
They got out of jail again.
8 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:11:21
Your comment is so weak:
"Say what you like about them, they care enough to moan, whinge, whine, protest etc to get what's best for their club."
I think you will find that most fan base's can do absolutely fuck all regarding the make up of their club. They can moan all they like but the RS are still 300M in debt, whinge like fuck but hey, you are still 300M in debt and march till you feet ache but you still owe the bank 300M.
Basically Steve don't try and make that lot look grand amongst all the shite they are in. They are financially fucked and they know it - but what can the fan base do - fuckall really, they have to wait for another sugar daddy to come along, pay off all the clubs loans and hopefully buy a decent player or two. Obviously, the current owners are having a jolly securing loans or debt against the club which their fans can do a big fat fuckall about (hey, the current owners could be closet Evertonians).
We don't take the piss Steve they just get pissed off thinking we do, after all everyone else is.
9 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:31:59
10 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:30:28
11 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:32:03
It is the club that makers itself marketable. They started marketing themselves in the 60s, have we started yet?
You have clubs like Newcastle marketing themselves far better than what we do.
We as fans too are too passive and self concious and apathetic too.
We need to shove our clubs name down everyones throat.
When a team plays Everton we may as well not exist as fans, we need to play uor part too, get our name back, no more excuses, let everyone know who we are.
12 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:36:31
Well what about about When Skies are Grey? It is a regressive fanzine that would rather sit there and poke fun at anything than support any movement.
13 Posted 07/10/2010 at 08:34:23
Blue Bill may have told a few porkies but his fibs were no worse than 'spade in the ground in 40 days' Hicks and Gillet.
Everton meeting rules were changed because a handful of shareholders were behaving like arseholes. A fact that was generally agreed to on Toffeeweb.
That we are not as marketable as the reds is because of their many years of on field success most of which came when we were under chairmanship other than Bill. Our playing performance would compare very favourably with those those of his predecessors.
I suggest you take note of what their new owner said in his interview, Did he say their total debt would be immediately wiped? No he didn't, his actual words were 'We will draw down the debt over a period of time'! What does that mean? Did he promise to build the new Anfield? No he didn't, he promised to look at all the options. What does he mean by that? Did he promise to provide a transfer kitty? Nope, he did not do that either.
The question must be asked, what in hells name does he mean and what are his intentions?
One thing he is noted for is enlarging the oldest baseball stadium in America Its capacity went from 20,000 to just over 30,000. Big deal eh'.
Also he is noted for hugely increasing entrance fees causing one baseball pundit to say they were beyond the reach of ordinary Joe public.
Vijay # 3. Pride and dignity may not mean much to you mate but to me and I suspect thousands of others those are the things that differentiates us from them. I don't want my club to be hawked around the financial shit holes of the world.
14 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:37:40
Blue my arse!
And if any true Blue needs an excuse to take the piss of them check out the you tube vid:
15 Posted 07/10/2010 at 09:33:15
Your suggestion that I may just be one of them is laughable (if you knew me you would know why) and the "loveable" tag was ment in a sarcastic way.
16 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:08:33
Everton have to market themselves, even during a time when United weren't winning things they still marketed themselves better than us, Liverpool in the 90s still marketed themselves better, teams at the top marketed themselves better than we did in the mid 80s.
You have to ram the clubs name down peoples throats, create an interest, sell yourself to fans. Everton are hopeles at that and always have been.
17 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:08:27
This 'only think about Everton' attitude would make for a shit derby atmosphere and it only seems to be non-local fans like you that spout it. I worked in Liverpool the year we finished 4th but they won the Champions League. It was horrific. Going into work or the pub as an Everton fan and taking stick off Liverpool fans because we've either lost or are below them in the league is crap and has been the norm for many many years. Now we get some delight at their expense and you want to pour cold water on it. Go and spend time in Liverpool and you'll understand why we hate them and why we should enjoy laughing at them at the moment.
18 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:19:51
19 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:20:56
Having said that, I would not want our dear rivals to go bust - all I want is the creation of a level playing field on which to genuinely compete. If the only way that that can happen is for teams like Liverpool, Chelsea, City and United to implode financially, then so be it..
Steve, I cannot understand your statement about their debt being more sustainable. It's precisely because it isn't that there in the mire!
20 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:33:21
They are horrible in defeat but even worse in victory. They are everything they claim to hate about United fans and more and they dare call US bitter! I find it dificult to comprehend that such a collective bunch of knobs can be from the same city!
Fuckin cardinals, badges and banners and you tube videos with zed list "celebs" making tits of themselves!
21 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:15:15
I couldn't say it better myself and I think the majority of Evertonians would feel the same.
22 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:47:57
You clearly haven't got a clue.
Fuck them, they have been prostituted round the world to anyone with a few bob, like a desperate crack head, to save themselves from going broke. All their decent players will be off in January or at the end of this season, they have got Mrs Doubtfire as their manager, they will be singing for the new Yanks to leave when they realise they are a mid-table side or worse. They think they are ENTITLED to regular success, that's what pisses off local blues.
I hope the twats get relegated, and they are left with Woy, then watch all the Berkshire reds, media celebs, ex players and the whole of Norway slink back into the holes they crawled out of when they spawned the Champions league in Istanbul. We are not glory hunters, that's why I always feel superior to the bastards anyway.
23 Posted 07/10/2010 at 10:41:33
We all hide behind the fact Billy is a lifelong blue. Yet if some Texan (and not "one of us") had owned for us for the last 10 years. There would've been riots already. Given the list of calamities you quite rightly detail.
But its Blue Bill so we're safe, aren't we?
Our debt is less sustainable than Liverpool's. Our financial strength put us alongside the likes of Wolves and West Brom in terms of transfer budget.
Our stadium plans are still non-existant. We have no new investors.
We do have an aspiring manager and a potentially great squad of players (given some actual money to spend) though.
Actions speak louder than words.
"World Class stadium for nothing"
"Goodison will be condemmed in two years"
"There is no Plan B"
"The club has always been for sale"
"Watch this Space"
"Nobody is buying football clubs"
"Nobody wants to buy Everton"
"I speak to 6 parties a year"
"There's transfer money available to spend"
But while City, Chelsea, and now possibly the RS win trophies or at least compete for the major prizes. We can pat each other on the back and thank God we have Billy and co doing things the Everton way. All the way from 9th place in the table. Bursting with pride and dignity!
24 Posted 07/10/2010 at 11:26:27
THIS new Yank has £500 million in the bank, right? he's spending £300 million of his own money to pay off the club's debt (BOLLOCKS) and then he's somehow going to pluck out of thin air £400 million of his own money for the new stadium (BOLLOCKS) and pump in £200 million of his own money to enable the club to challenge for champions league places (BOLLOCKS)
The red shite are not out of the woods yet. as a wise man once said, "watch this space!"
25 Posted 07/10/2010 at 11:49:39
Maybe you should have put the loveable in inverted commas from the off, it's hard to get sarcasm from the written word.
Feck the lot of them I say, and unlike Ray I want them to go bust and disappear from our lives forever. I hate every last one of the scum sucking plastic glory hunter wannabe twats (apart from my missus, who unfortunately is a red.......and my sister who is also a red.... and fuck, I didn't think this one through)
26 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:11:20
27 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:14:05
28 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:33:10
29 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:32:58
A relatively quiet news week has made the LFC circus the headline story on most outlets, business analysts and other idiots have been remarking how merseyside deserves its football team to be challenging again.
So inconsequential are Everton that we are damned not by faint praise.....but by ignorance of our very existence.
To ignore our snaggle toothed cousins places your head firmly in the sand, as guilty as dullard board members and unambitious managers we've endured post John Moores.
Every scintilla of growth, every penny spent, every headline written about LFC is at our expense while we accept second best and mediocrity.
Yet Incredibly, despite the prototype Everton start a shot at redemption has emerged.
The desparate plight of the neighbours, with Torres injured, Gerard and Caragher accused of treason over Benitez, a court battle, no Arab sheik nor Russian oligarch but another warm worded american en route this far from impressive outfit gives Moyes and this club a heaven sent opportunity.
For the first time in living memory the fabled good fortune of LFC is in doubt, much good PR is being raised by the new american but the doubts persist, the confidence that has carried them so often is waning, let it fall.
The moment is nearly upon us, we must hear Goodison roar again like a great awakening lion not because we have won, but because we have beat them.
30 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:38:49
I'm not proud of our "great escape" DVD but theres no way I'd be happy if that was done by Blues!
But maybe your right, I'm emotionally stunted cos I take the piss out of pompous, self opinionated, up there own arse gobshites!
Your opinion Roger. Mine is, they are a bunch of tits!
31 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:45:37
Do YOU think that vid is "proud and dignified"??
32 Posted 07/10/2010 at 12:48:41
Agree 100%. We have had to put up with that shower across the park laughing at us for years when we have failed (a bunch of kopites in one of the pubs i drink in walked in with a coffin on their shoulders with an everton flag draped over it before the wimbledon game in 94) and know they are having some hard times and have found themselves in the bottom three and we are not supposed to give them anything back according to the original post. I don't think so.
33 Posted 07/10/2010 at 13:35:50
34 Posted 07/10/2010 at 13:35:26
Was is not Kenwright himself who came out and said he was in talks with three parties.
Gone a bit quiet on that front now hasn't it.
35 Posted 07/10/2010 at 13:50:02
36 Posted 07/10/2010 at 13:51:13
We totally missed the boat when after being the Mersey Millionaires under John Moores we never created anything like a conveyer belt of success. Our teams broke up after winning trophies and transfer fees have always been our boards prime factor ever since and that has made us what we have become... the second side in Liverpool !!
Its always been a lack of foresight and ambition that has dogged our progress. Before the Premier League was formed... we had won as many championship trophies as Man Utd and lots more than Man City or Chelsea etc. It's been our board's fault so its no good crowing at Liverpool's demise...it makes us seem so cheap.
Between our two city clubs we have won more trophies than any other city in England and thats something to crow about. Sour grapes always leaves a bad taste so lets get our own house in order first. It seems that no one wants to invest in EFC....?????
37 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:09:33
When Skies Are Grey is about to cease publication. I guess you can't get more regressive than that.
38 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:01:12
Nail on head. The liar knows the spotlight is elsewhere so he's stopped spouting his bullshit in a vain attempt to apease us.
You missed the imortal. "The cheques in the post."
39 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:23:02
Singing about Diego Forlan at Stoke when we had lost to them twice that season is just ridiculous. I've learnt to be wary about mocking Liverpool as they often beat us. We've got our own problems which we should be thinking about, rather than spending the whole season building up to 2 games that we usually lose.
The Derby is the only game where my knees are not crammed into the poor person sitting front of me's seat and I can stand up comfortably, which I enjoy. It's the only game where all the pubs are packed and you can have an excuse for getting pissed after it. It's the only game that after we lose I feel extremely angry, and I'm a mild mannered person.
I despise Liverpool but I have lost much of my hatred for them. Now it's become evident that most of their fans don't come from Liverpool, I don't have much to say about them. Hopefully we beat them, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
40 Posted 07/10/2010 at 13:47:22
What I take exception to are:
- The glory hunters, the hangers on, the about to sign for LFC life-long supporters, the so-called celebrities, the shit-kickers who know nothing about football, but will argue with you all day,
- The thousands who have never been the game but will walk round Anfield Road protesting and carrying banners (usually incorrectly spelt),
- The ex-players like Phil Neale demanding payment for giving interviews about Hillsborough,
- The guys who mill round Anfield Road even when there are no games on, taking pictures of themselves wearing the LFC shirt they have just bought,
- The TV programmes about the City of Liverpool that just ignore Everton,
- The ESPN channel showing a series called Football Rivalries, Man U v Man City, Celtic v Rangers, Arsenal v Spurs, Inter v AC, etc, but then showing LFCs rivals as not Everton, but Man Utd???
Mr Henry, when he took over the Red Sox, re-modelled Fenway Park, increasing corporate opportunity as well as capacity, but the ticket prices sky rocketed, driving out the working man (but still selling out 400-odd consecutive game), probaly similar to Chelsea and Arsenal costings. The big revenue stream for the Red Sox is they have the rights to televise their own games, but as baseball is really only a one-country sport then the revenues are not any where near what could be generated from televising PL games and keeping all the money. This is the reason foreign investors are prepared to plough millions into buying football clubs.
In the next few years, the Sky contracts will go and all the major teams will televise all their home games, both terrestrial and internet; the money generated will be colossal and make Sky monies look like loose change.
I don't get any pleasure out of the current situation at LFC, because I know that everything will fall into place for them, as it always has.
41 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:45:25
As a born and raised Yankee fan, I have to acknowledge how well-run they are since the current group bought the team. Now that same group bought LFC. Not good for us EFC fans. Not good at all.
After seeing the news of the purchase, I scoured the Boston papers and sports sites here in the States for news. Boston's purchase is already in all the newspapers there. Going onto ESPN soccer, there was a blog that went up immediately by a Yankee fan. Here's the piece that that caught my attention,
"I share the one endearing trait that all Yankees fans have ? a hatred for the Boston Red Sox. This is not the space to rant about Red Sox Nation, about the crude (and stupid) Red Sox T-shirts I see every time I'm in Boston, or that loathsome hick team of 2004. But now comes the news that the Red Sox's owners are about to buy Liverpool. My disklike [sic] of Liverpool, my hatred of the Sox. Throw in a few pints on match day? Suffice to say, this changes everything".
OK. No question LFC has been bought by a first-rate sports organization. So where the silver lining?
Mr Kenwright has to do a simple thing to increase EFC's popularity by millions over here. Americans are "casual" soccer fans, but soccer fans nonetheless. Kenwright has only to cut a minor deal with the Yankees to invest in EFC. The Red Sox have their "Nation" here in the States, but it's dwarfed by the number of Yankee fans; in every country where baseball is popular, the Yankees are King.
I posted in another mailbag article that I was afraid for EFC when hearing of the RS interest in purchasing the RS. But I'm positive good can come from it if EFC contacts the Yankees and pursues a relationship. The Red Sox purchase will naturally be news in New York. The Steinbrenners need just a push to consider investing in our team.
If they do? It's on for real in Liverpool. That's no exaggeration or joke. Jesus, if only Old Man Steinbrenner was still alive? It would be on within weeks. Fortunately, his sons are as crazy as him.
42 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:46:14
At school and in my early drinking years, my mates were a mix of Blue and Red and we quite happilly hammered each other through the season without malice but with wicked glee. In those days, the late 60s, 70s and early 80s, it was quite friendly banter and whilst the derbies were still caustic and often dour brutal affairs, they were never nasty (with the odd exception ? Jimmy Case anyone?).
The coffin at the Wimbledon game makes me smile ? that's the sort of piss take I can accept and grudgingly admire. And I wasnt giggling with glee at their Blackpool result as the word "Brentford" kept popping up in my head...
BUT, today's gobshite is another animal altogether. Maybe it's the fact they are no longer winning and can't take it. Maybe it's the fact that there are so many out-of-towners in their ranks who just dont "get it", or maybe the press and meeja have created a monster with their "best fans in the world" tag, but they are just turning into a bunch of cnuts, in general.
SoS are mainly locals and they are now "surprised" that the club haven't included them in dialogues with the new owners!
43 Posted 07/10/2010 at 14:51:03
On their cheap sullying of the Beatles name on their plea to the yanks. Proof they are an undignified lot in every way. They dont even realise the Beatles were in every way if not Evertonians closer to Everton.
Besides at the height of the glory days of the Fab 4 they had the cheek to refuse entry to Anfield to George and Ringo. Truely unbecoming.
44 Posted 07/10/2010 at 15:10:07
45 Posted 07/10/2010 at 15:04:29
I want to take the piss, because we won a trophy and they didnt. Or because we finished higher than them. I don't seek solice in the fact they're just as skint as us, and have a team as equally underperforming.
If we only we had a board with ambition and competency we might stand a chance of actually achieving something ourelves. Surely that would be the biggest stick to beat the with?
46 Posted 07/10/2010 at 15:21:17
I actually laughed out loud.
I apologise for nothing.
47 Posted 07/10/2010 at 15:46:09
The very first line before anyone speaks is text saying, "We gave you the Beatles, and this is how you repay us"!!! ? they honestly think that they, that's Liverpool Fucking Football Club, gave the Beatles to the world... WTF!!! I've never been so gobsmacked in all my life, how fucking arrogant can you get. We had the Holy Trinity in our midfield they must of had the "Fab Back Four" in their fucking team.
They honestly think they represent everything about this City, half of them on the video are fucking Irish, Norwegian or Asian FFS. I now honestly hope the bastards go down. We gave you the Beatles My Fucking Arse.
I hope they end up like the Titanic, which that lot think was probably built on the Kop by redneck's only, and fucking sink without a trace.
48 Posted 07/10/2010 at 16:52:05
Don't get me wrong, I know nothing about baseball, but it is not as complex as football. N.E.S.V. aren't even rich compared to the Glazers, Abramovich or Kronke, never mind a sheik worth 20 billion F.F.S.!
So unless they have a fantastic new way of playing the game, how are they going to rescue the shite from their current predicament ? Selling shirts or sponsorship stateside isn't going to do it, these people are in it for one thing. They have seen the chance to buy a franchise for half it's market value. They're fucked, and no smart cookie in the U.S. will spend the hundreds of millions it will take to surpass the current top 5 money teams.
49 Posted 07/10/2010 at 17:06:47
You sir are being very presumptuous, I was born in Birkenhead, and now live and work in Liverpool, and have done for the last 7 years. My family and friends are split 50/50 both blue & red. So I do know exactly what they are like, more so than you it seems!
@Phil Martin 45
Spot on mate, my thoughts exactly!
50 Posted 07/10/2010 at 17:33:36
51 Posted 07/10/2010 at 18:15:31
The board of the holding company of LFC voted to sell the club, it seems that Hicks and Gillett, the owners of the holding company replaced two board members before the vote.
That makes the vote invalid. The Chairman says that this puts Hicks and Gillett in breach of undertakings to RBS. This may be true, but that does not make the removal of the board members invalid. Unless the board was entrenched in the articles of association (and even then Hicks and Gillett may be able to change the articles) the board approval is invalid and the new board will not sanction the deal.
RBS or the Chairman may have a claim in damages against Hicks and Gillett, but no buyer can proceed in the face of this dispute. And this will not be resolved quickly.
What should happen next is the 15th October deadline to repay RBS will pass whereupon they can put the holding company into liquidation and the liquidator can then authorise a sale of LFC. RBS may allow a grace period for the parties to agree to a sale. However if looks like Hicks is willing to press the self destruct button and push things to the wire in order to try and get a bit more money.
For us the longer this uncertainty continues the better. I think this has at least a few weeks to run yet.
52 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:01:37
53 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:04:45
54 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:23:27
55 Posted 07/10/2010 at 18:45:07
I think it was Monday or Tuesday that TalkSport saidRS.
By the time I got my motor running and was on my way to work the 7:00am news was under way on Radio 5 dead. It had now changed. The Red Sox had now A at 6:00am that there was a possibility that the Red Sox were thinking of buying theCTUALLY bought and payed for that shite across the park.
As you can imagine I was in hysterics all the way to work.
WHAT!!! all of a sudley these people had moved in and taken away a football club from Hicks and Co. No-way ? it doesn't work like that.
Anyway I was laughing at the fact that a lot of RS fans would be thinking BRILLIANT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT EVERTON? Well as Dave (50) will know they obviously all have a book called "Gullibles Travels"
Don't forget the headlines in today's papers were on the lines of humiliation for the yanks. I may be wrong but by the tune of £144 mill.
Yeah right ! You think these guys are going to go down with loses of that magnitude. OI' redshite think again.
The legal side to this could go on for years and if the yanks are going to go down, and after seeing all the RS vitriol banners street marches etc then I'm fairly sure that that they will have the altitude that says "if we go down then so will you".
I hate LFC. I was not born in Liverpool but in Southport so I'm more scouse than some LFC twat who comes from Scandinavia.
I've supported our team from the age of 5. That's 48 years. I hope Liverpool FC becomes known as...
COME ON YOU BLUES
56 Posted 07/10/2010 at 18:48:33
English football, as a business, is simplicity itself against running a major league franchise in America.
Revenue sharing, luxury taxes, merchandising splits (Red Sox sell around 20% of all baseball merchandise. There are 30 Major League teams, Guess how much of sales from their own team's merchandise the Red Sox get? Yep, 1/30th.) Won't even get into the Draft and Free Agency (a misnomer really).
This last EPL off-season was my first following. To hear that teams could just go after another team's contracted player openly? At first, I thought it was like a joke or something. Just filling in the time between seasons for English soccer fans. To discover that this is routine, normal business in the EPL was shocking. That does NOT happen over here. In fact, teams get in trouble if they do that. Whereas, it's done over there every day routinely.
Look, maybe the sale doesn't go thru, since Hicks and Gillet are saying they'll take it to court to block it. I'll just repeat what I've said already. We do not want the RS group buying the RS. And the idea that EPL business is more complex than baseball's is a non-starter.
57 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:54:05
58 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:56:06
"but, let's face it, we are just as shite as them".
I would say that's true enough, however if you were one of them you might be thinking "We're as bad as them, but they only spent £60m to be that bad, we've spent £190m"
59 Posted 07/10/2010 at 19:59:27
I hope it's Nev 'cause he's the guy who is the conduit between us, the team and the manager.
He and DM need to start NOW in formulating the next quasi-war which will take place at Goodison.
I know our clubs motto, but a slight change for this match should be, NOTHING BUT THREE POINTS WILL DO.
Go for the Jugular guys it's the only way forward.
60 Posted 07/10/2010 at 20:14:19
Even more amazingly, it uses the worst Liverpool team and the ridiculous situation they find themselves in right now, as a yardstick.
And would you believe it... it's all Bill Kenwright's fault. Again.
Kopites are gobshites Steve Wolfe and deserve all the derision and disdain we give them. If you admire the Liverpool model so much and all the advantages you feel it offers over our own: go and join them!
61 Posted 07/10/2010 at 20:07:52
62 Posted 07/10/2010 at 20:28:00
63 Posted 07/10/2010 at 20:26:44
-and we better take it.!!
The joy of moving 3 points above them while keeping them in the bottom 3 for another week will be like winning a cup final for me anyway!!
The reds are in a mess,lets get behind our team and make it even messier for them and their followers.
64 Posted 07/10/2010 at 21:10:09
That video is an embarrassment and in my mind just serves to cement all the things I despise about the 'Liverpool' brand. I'm glad we're not a global brand in the same sense of either reds - we're Everton and we're a club rich with honour and tradition and I can't wait for the derby.
65 Posted 07/10/2010 at 21:50:53
David Price (171 other article) - This kind of thing will be really good when "Hollywood Comes a Calling". This director guy is whipping them into a frenzy to the point where some Producer says "hey,let's make a movie about the Liverpool story". (I'm getting mad).
So, it all started in 1977 when the RS won the Euro Cup...(blah, blah..etc) to prsesent day. Basically it pans out as a RS promo DVD to re-write history for naive kids across the world. "Mammy, I want one of those red King Kenny tops from the movie" (starting to spit feathers now). Half the fucking cask of Brookside move to LA to further their careers and walk down the red carpet on Oscar night. (At least that would get rid of them from the city). And the City "home of the beatles" is put into the minds of people across the world and that lot get all the credit.
I'm fucking fumin' now.
So here is my open comment to any researchers who happen to come across this forum. If you are going to do a movie about the "plight" of LFC, then you have to start at Everton. Our forefathers stood up to the landlord. We told him to shove Anfield up his arse and we had the balls to move across the park. If any movie is to be made, that should at least be the starting point. Them fuckers across the park have only come to prominence since a bunch of whinging Scotsmen came down to moan, cheat and bully their way into the LFC history books.
And if any movie is done properly - please, please, please keep any actors from Brookside out of the fucking thing. It's just to embarrasing. You know, all the ones who have just been in the stupid YouTube video.
Any football movie about Everton and Liverpool has to get across our point of view and why we have all been gloating on here for the last few days.
66 Posted 07/10/2010 at 21:52:33
Plus, If I had a personal amount of wealth in a bank account in the Caymen islands, I reckon there is a distinct possibility that I may not be as thick or without Billionaire contacts as everyone is making out.
Does anyone have Phil Greene's mobile number for Tom n George?
67 Posted 07/10/2010 at 22:29:41
A perfect footballing weekend for me and always has been is when we win and they lose. Last week was perfection, add the boardroom stuff was the icing on the cake and there you have it, gloating in spades.
I don't think we are daft enough to ignore our current position. It is a position, not a plight we are in, one which we will progress from.
As for them, they might have to run the club like a business for a change, spend what they can afford, which won't put them miles ahead of us. They say they'll be debt free, well take away the interest from their losses last year and they still would have lost £14m.
Their finances are still in a mess, their squad needs massive investment and that money will come, not from a bottomless arabian sand pit but from another American investor. Jesus, any guy who waits until he's 61 to have his first child is some-one ultra cautious! Here's a statement from his company, a company that took a battering in the share crash in 2009 and wiped out half his assets:
?An investment with JWH is speculative, volatile, involves a high degree of risk, and is designed only for sophisticated investors who are able to bear the loss of more than their entire investment.?
The Red Sucks will be dropped like a hot spud when that happens.
68 Posted 07/10/2010 at 23:36:55
I believe the issue is we have not been marketing ourselves properly. The marketability starts with performance over seasons, silverware etc. Look at Chelski and Man City. They came from well behind us just in recent years, once they had money to throw at it.
The right business people would see this but and Everton would be i great buy when compared to the likes of RS and many other PL clubs. So, what is it that BK is doing that is preventing money coming in to the club? What is it that he truly wants? Beats me at present. I would say this though........ we need the board to have balls enough to move forward.
69 Posted 08/10/2010 at 01:24:27
"Where would they play?" I hear you ask... well apparently they have agreed with Everton that they can use Goodison Park until Anfield is rebuilt ? in exchange for the Stanley Park planning permission.
Yes it's a rumour, but any thoughts... do not beat me up ? I am not 100% convinced yet either!
70 Posted 08/10/2010 at 02:07:17
I'm talking about how executives run a sports franchise. The RS group here are VERY good at it.
Hopefully, the sale won"t go through.
71 Posted 08/10/2010 at 05:36:17
Seems the 9 points penalty is a real possibility. So Cummon' Gillette + Hicks, although I'm sure the FA would find a suitable 'get out of jail free' card for one of their favourite sons.
72 Posted 08/10/2010 at 06:31:25
However as I alluded to the problem is what EXACTLY does Bill Kenwright want? I am not talking about just the money, but what ARE the strings attached? What will he say yes to?
As far I can see its never been spelt out, we hear several differing slants on a theme, investor / buyer, no dilution of shares, no director will sell,
So Just WHAT will it take?
What are BK's expectations?
73 Posted 08/10/2010 at 08:10:56
Bob (68) Christine (72) - I've often thought this. They can't take the club with them when they go to meet their maker - so absolutely agree "What do they want"?
74 Posted 08/10/2010 at 14:40:01
Do the sums here. This latest Yanky carpet bagger is worth according to all reports £550m. Now I take it that this includes his ownership of the Red Socks baseball team. He will get LFC for a knockdown £300m. Apparently they have another £100m of debt not included in the loan to purchase the club by the original carpet baggers. They have to invest in new players and build a new stadium. So how are they going to buy LFC? He'll borrow the money! I don't see how he can do it any other way. I suspect he is only buying it at a knock down price in order to flip it to someone else but I'll worry about that when it happens.
The point here is, my big fear has always been that some multi billionaire would buy the club. I think we would all find it very hard to live with that but I can live with this guy. Let's face it, someone was always going to buy them sooner or later. I think this is a very good deal for us Evertonians.
75 Posted 08/10/2010 at 15:43:27
The whole foreign ownership situation is a disgrace and could not happen in other countries. It quite simply facilitates greed and short term gain.
76 Posted 08/10/2010 at 19:26:36
77 Posted 08/10/2010 at 21:30:47
"The sooner they're back in the 2nd Division, where they belong, the better" ? The Grand Old Ladies of Kemlyn Road
"Liverpool? All fur coat and no knickers"? My Mum
78 Posted 09/10/2010 at 03:30:00
79 Posted 09/10/2010 at 06:46:14
The buyer is worth £550 million. He has stated he won't be buying out the debt in full, it will take a while. He said he plans to buy a new stadium, yet he clearly doesn't have the funds for it. Then he needs to spend another £100 million.
Ok, to do the rough math on this: he needs £300M + £100M. He needs around £300M again to build a new stadium possibly more. This is without him spending any money whatsoever on their team? That's just laughable.
Then we have Hicks and Co who will hold on to the club for dear life for more money.
So what can RBS do? They can hardly force a sale to a man who simply doesn't have the immediate cash necessary in the first place. The RBS will be happy to wait a bit longer for the immediate debt to be paid back? I can't see that at all.
I hope the RS get the 10-point deduction and hope vehemently they go into liquidation.
Seriously, they'd need to now sell all their players in January... RBS won't wait that long. Do they even own their own training ground / Anfield?
I guess, no matter what happens, they won't get out of this at all. So again, just how will Henry be able to afford the equivalent of almost a billion pounds when he is only personally worth £550 million max?
The Premier League need to look at this situation very carefully and not recommend the sale, so then the shite can be liquidated... why should they be given preferential treatment? If it was us in the mess, the liquidators would be out in force at Goodison.
Good riddance to Project Anlfield and the smell that emanates from that place.
I remember reading something on some blog that the writer was delusional enough to say that the shite won't go down, they are just too big, and it will never happen... then he went on say something about Leeds and Newcastle aside. Those fans are so delusional they deserve to be ripped to shit over what they support.
I hope that lot die a horrible death.
80 Posted 09/10/2010 at 10:00:29
81 Posted 09/10/2010 at 14:56:21
82 Posted 10/10/2010 at 01:02:33
You know who I am Bill. Normally I would always say hello to an EVERTONIAN. But he is a phoney. So I said fuck all but looked him in the eye.
I hope he accepts that he is not wanted at our great club. Kenwright you have put FUCK ALL INTO OUR CLUB. [Offensive material deleted by moderator]
83 Posted 10/10/2010 at 01:15:22
84 Posted 10/10/2010 at 03:01:41
I too am enjoying watching the RS going through a tough time. But it does not take my focus completely away from our present plight and this week's derby has to be the most important for years ? I hope we thrash them!
85 Posted 10/10/2010 at 16:20:13
"So what can RBS do? they can hardly force a sale to a man who simply doesn't have the immediate cash necessary in the first place"
I think you're confusing the new Yank's personal fortune (rumoured to be about £500m) with the cash offered by his business (£300m), which would pay off all RBS debt & penalties and leave about £60m over.You're right in that their does not seem to be any monies available for a new stadium, but the deal does leave the RS temporarily at least, debt free.
If Waldorf & Statler delay the deal and RBS then put RS into administration, and in effect own RS, RBS can indeed sell to whoever they like. As long as their loans get paid off they're not fussed where the monies come from, be it cash or loans.
The mephistophelean pact seems to be biting RS in the ass at last! Roll on next Sunday. COYB!
86 Posted 10/10/2010 at 17:41:09
He stated what he wanted to achieve this without having the necessary funds to do so. Which then begs the question: If he isn't prepared to cough up the amount needed to clear it straight away, what then?
If Hicks and Gillete are gonna force the issue in the courts etc, surely the RBS can't do anything at all, can they?
Now if what comes to pass, as you say, and the lawyers delay the deal, surely then RBS would have no real choice but to put them into administration; they then get the 10-point deduction and surely they would get automatic relegation such as what Portsmouth got (despite them being rooted to the bottom as it was). I remember I am sure that somewhere last season that Portsmouth got the 10-point deduction and automatic relegation before they where officially relegated?
This very same thing would surely be given to that lot too, since those are apparently the rules.
Regardless, fingers crossed the Premier League enforce automatic relegation on them after they do go into administration... then they are then liquidated. I can't necessarily see the latter happening tho but who knows... I mean who in their right mind would want to service the debt when they are as far away from winning anything as the likes of Wolves are? lol...
87 Posted 10/10/2010 at 17:53:25
At Anfield, I am certain it is completely different. They need the £300+ million to be cleared in one go according to RBS. However, they need a new stadium and they also need a new squad, neither of the latter I can see happening easily.
So, if they do go into administration, I really can't see any way back for them unless they sell to their own fans. I can't see someone interested in a team that has been relegated, into administration, and needs to cough up a good £600m+ and that does not include players and no doubt salaries too.
Suddenly we look like a much better prospect despite our own predicament with Bill Kenwright. Maybe we just have to hold out and wait for the shite to get that auto relegation etc for Kenwright to sell... he would be mentally insane not to try it on. Only one side in Liverpool in the Premier League.
Then again, the shite have a deal with satan and his minions and probably bail themselves out with the Premier League so they don't go down or go into administration... I really detest that pretentious lot.
88 Posted 10/10/2010 at 18:25:59
I don't believe Liverpool are in any risk of "automatic relegation" ? if there is even such a thing for the Premier League.
89 Posted 10/10/2010 at 19:35:20
90 Posted 11/10/2010 at 18:46:06
What I would like is for them not to be relegated and to only have enough money to buy players of a standard, such as that twat on Radio TalkShite you know the one, Quim, so that we hammer them, year-in, year-out.
That's what I call rubbing their redshit noses in it. Innit?
Oh the joy. Can you imagine the chants from the Gwladys Street every game. Pure heaven.
But I suppose if they have to be chucked out of the Premier League then I could live with that.
Tuesday the 12th. Big day in the high court. I think Hicks and the razor are going to see this as payback time.
If you were compared to rapists,..... wouldn't you.
91 Posted 11/10/2010 at 21:17:59
92 Posted 12/10/2010 at 17:21:38
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