With the exception of older professionals like Phil Neville, who can remember the senior pros of his youth staying with the one club for a lot longer, and some home grown players like Ossie and Hibbert at Everton who are delighted to play for the club they love, not many players really seem to see themselves staying at the one club for years at a time anyway. You are not tied to your contract like before and clubs and managers, due to modern employment laws, just don't have the same hold over you. Loyalty aside, if you want to move, there is nothing to stop you anyway, not even a contract..
Even Chelsea and United, who win trophies on a regular basis and would by extension be attractive as a long-term option for players, only keep the spine of the team long-term. Players come and go, both by choice and by the manager's discretion, on a regular basis.
Loyalty has to a large degree been eroded by the fact that a player can now, by the age of 35, set himself up for life financially with a couple of astute moves. Before, when football had a lot less money, loyalty to a club meant a regular income, which in turn meant some endorsements and win bonuses and a chance to pay into something resembling a decent pension as a result.
Football, and players' attitudes have changed. Pienaar is not different. And, after all, it works both ways in terms of players coming into our club.
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1 Posted 29/10/2010 at 06:17:02
2 Posted 29/10/2010 at 08:46:18
The present situation at Man City is the exception to the rule because of the high wages they are offering. As I have said before, the most valuable assets are the better players and they are the ones who become unsettled. EFC only have a very small number of players who would command a large transfer fee.
3 Posted 29/10/2010 at 08:13:14
Generally, loyalty has gone from the game. In defence (just about!) of players, it has always cut both ways, with clubs getting rid of players for their own reasons.
4 Posted 29/10/2010 at 09:06:19
After saying all that, I still have a hankering for the 'good' old days.
5 Posted 29/10/2010 at 09:23:11
6 Posted 29/10/2010 at 09:54:15
7 Posted 29/10/2010 at 10:39:48
8 Posted 29/10/2010 at 10:57:26
The idea that a Premier League player has to keeping earning until 35 ? and use astute moves ? to "set ghimself up for life" is an odious one. It is frankly insulting to our intelligence.
Yes, they have every right to do what they want etc, and can become fabulously wealthy. But please enough of the "he has to think of his family", or "moving to sign x deal will give him financial security". Nail this garbage! For anyone else, one year of a Prem League salary, and you're made ? unless you're very stupid with money.
On Pienaar, he'll go. Have never felt he would stay. Even a year and a half ago, didn't get any indication he would stay. So we're gonna need to bring in a left and a righ-sided wide player over then 10 months. And probably a striker.
9 Posted 29/10/2010 at 13:04:03
I think loyalty is a personal trait, something in your make-up. I'm not convinced it is a local thing, look at Cahill and Howard...I doubt they'll want to move and yet when they were boys neither knew of Everton.
Pienaar will go, but I'm reading in the press (with a pinch-of-salt) that we are being linked with wingers who themselves are on a free, which would suggest Moyes is planning for the future...or at least the red tops are for us!!
10 Posted 29/10/2010 at 14:35:58
As for the rest of the squad being unsettled if he does decide to leave will I think depend a lot on the quality of replacement. As fans we love to see quality being added to our squad and I am sure the players are no different.
11 Posted 29/10/2010 at 17:22:54
As a result the bond between fans, players and by association the clubs has diminished. Players' contracts and club finances have overtaken goals and spectacle as the fans' major talking point it's like a FTSE appraisal rather than an uplifting sport.
Not much passion in that I'm afraid, progress eh.
12 Posted 30/10/2010 at 09:07:46
As for Mr Pienaar, his latest ramblings about the greatest fans in the world (which we are not) is just part of the long wave goodbye. He's just softening the blow. It's the same old shit... in fact it's almost a carbon copy of the Kanchelskis 'wave goodbye'...
13 Posted 30/10/2010 at 11:30:06
Now I've had my detractors, mostly my mates, stating that a player such as Wayne Rooney would be moving clubs every 6 months or so, therefore there would be no continuity. I agree, initially there would be upheaval but, once it settled down, clubs could manage their finances easily and agents would be a thing of the past. The reason I believe this is that there would be masses of players battling for a few lucrative contracts, plus those contracts would lean towards protecting the clubs (if the clubs aren't happy they cancel the contract).
The only stumbling block to this is the system that is employed now. It is one big bloody 'gravy train'. From the players to the managers, club directors all the way to the top, as the recent votes debacle at FIFA highlighted. Everyone has their nose in the trough. What we as supporters do is create the gravy that these transients feed on. Every ticket sold, shirt sold, pie bought, but more importantly, match watched on telly adds to the all the money that is sloshing around in football.
The only way we can take control is to make demands, but all football fans are disenfranchised, we will never get together and force change, as Man Utd's 'green & golds' have proved. They may be unhappy, but they'll still go the game and subscribe to satellite sports channels to watch the match.
So what of Pienaar? I hope he stays; the play that he brings to the left hand side of our team in conjunction with Leighton Baines, is nothing short of superb. I don't think we will find an adequate replacement for a long time. Will he stay? No; he likes Everton, but in the same way I like my missus. If someone came along that was younger, blonde, prettier with bigger tits. I'd kiss my badge, wave to the crowd and take the better offer. He's not like us, he doesn't love the club. I know it's picking at old wounds, but we have all known that football changed ever since Rooney left the club.
14 Posted 30/10/2010 at 12:58:46
No-one knows what the club have offered Pienaar but he feels it is not enough. Moyes has stated that the player has been made an extremely good offer, and the club would not increase this. We have to believe this is the case. It's just not as easy as Kenwright should pay him-pay him what exactly? You tell us !
In my opinion, if the reported wages of £75k a week for Arteta are true, that was complete madness ? he's not worth this type of money, full stop. So if Pienaar is sitting with his agent saying to the club he wants parity with Arteta, he's completely mad.
15 Posted 31/10/2010 at 09:23:02
As an ex-pat living out in Oz, I am surprised to see or hear no-one has mentioned the young lad at Wolves, Matt Jarvis. From the games I see out here and reports I've read he seems a great prospect and English. MotM again v City yesterday and I watched him rip United to bits in midweek in the Carling Cup. Not sure if he'd be too expensive though, if at all available, and would like to know other Blues' opinions on him. Then again, give Gueye a go.
16 Posted 31/10/2010 at 20:30:54
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