We had our friend Clattenburg trying to create a self-made legend in his own mind. How long can the Premier League put up with this idiot? Would Fergie be smiling if this had happened against his team, the same smile that he shared with Gary Neville as he escaped a sending off the previous week? He then has the nerve to ask Rooney to show respect during his transfer saga, only for Nani to adopt a disgraceful attitude to fair play.
How about them lot playing like they did against Bolton with an almost full strength side with a papering over the cracks 1-0 win. Carragher, is there a law that says he can?t concede a penalty? Or even the Greek thug for that matter.
Will Lescott be gagging to come back, an escape from the City circus, or will he try his luck a little longer? As he fast approaches a third manager inside 12 months.
Feeling a little more secure of our league position, who are our surprise contenders for top 6. Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal seem to be top 3, so what about the next three places? West Brom an early contender perhaps? Newcastle, mugged us at Goodison and looked awesome against Villa and Sunderland, yet very much like their fans, Jekyll and Hyde. Spurs, a given as the one we need to finish in front of for the last Champions League place.
Good to see Houllier working his negative tactics at Aston Villa as they make us look like the free scoring Hungarians from the 1950s.
As for relegation candidates, I?ll ask some Kopites next week if they get beaten by Chelsea.
I know it?s not totally Everton topic for ToffeeWeb but maybe worth a few opinions on our great game.
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1 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:11:41
Think if we can get a consistent run going then a European spot is certainly there for the taking, especially as Villa and the Shite look pretty poor this season.
Clattenberg- what a clown!!
2 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:27:34
3 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:39:14
4 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:48:56
5 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:35:39
Problem is Clattenburg did'nt give a pen at Old Trafford and his bottle went.
Sometimes playing the advantage is'nt the right option, when there's a severe clash of heads or a fan runs on and plays the striker in.
I'd suggest Nani lying on the pitch fondling the ball like a philipino girls tight arse must fall into that category.
Also, if the Spurs lads had done the same, would the goal of stood; no chance.
6 Posted 01/11/2010 at 22:56:15
In the US Gillette financed Richard Petty Racing in Nascar. Their funds are dry as Gillette has no money to fund the team. Gillette is not going to want to look like the fool he is so expect a challenge to the buyout.
7 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:02:29
8 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:13:26
9 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:22:06
You know the funny thing? Replace Spurs with Everton and change the events slightly. Say the same things happened up until the part where Gomes stops to throw the ball on the ground 15 yards in front of him. So Howard has the ball in his hands and boots it up field where Coleman, Arteta, Saha and Cahill are breaking with numbers towards United's goal. Then, Clattenburg blows the whistle and orders the free kick taken back at the touchline, further back than a goal kick. All the United players get back on defense as Howard has to retrieve the ball all the way back to his goal and start play over. Every single Everton supporter and player would be livid at Clattenburg for not playing the advantage, it's a conspiracy in favor of United, blah blah blah. Seriously, it was the player's fault. As the cliche goes, you play until the whistle. No whistle, no signal of a foul, get on with it.
10 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:14:19
As for the race for fourth - I think the longer Spurs can stay in the Champions League the better it should be for us. City continue to have moments where they play like strangers, particularly without Tevez. They too have European fixtures to contend with.
I think we're in a decent position to still be genuine top 4 contenders, especially if we can clear our injury list in time for the busy December / January schedule plus making one or two decent additions to kick on for the home stretch.
11 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:35:55
And as for our lovable cousins the RS....Well fuck 'em
12 Posted 02/11/2010 at 00:34:01
The fact that Nani looked and asked the ref if it was ok to kick the ball should have been all the indication needed that all was not right and the ref should have simply told Gomes to take the free kick from the correct position.
Gomes didn't play to the whistle and was stupid but the overall mistake was Clattenberg's. He then shooed away the Spuds players and then allowed Ferdinand free reign to plead his case. Shocking refereeing as usual.
13 Posted 02/11/2010 at 08:25:56
If he had stopped the game and booked Nani for his cheating dive in the first place, I'm sure 'Arry would have said something after the game about the Ref not playing advantage.
Gomes should have used the advantage with the ball in his hands and launched it forwards.
14 Posted 02/11/2010 at 09:03:37
Clattenberg must have known Gomes was aware of Nani, as he had just tapped him (disgusting play acting by Nani, that went unmentioned by the papers) and you see him place the ball not just roll it out.
If Clattenberg knew that Gomes was aware of Nani, surely no keeper worth their salt would just roll the ball out and expecially not make any movement to the ball as Nani was jogging passed him.
There are so many things that indicated that Gomes thought he was taking a free kick, albeit from teh wrong position and as mentioned before Nani had to ask Clattenberg if he could play the ball. Any good referee would have thought, "Why is he asking me?" and put 2 and 2 together and waved a free kick on, or told the goalie to move it back to the original position.
15 Posted 02/11/2010 at 09:35:47
it was one of those things that could have been avoided by applying common sense, but your right the most unfortunate part of it is that cheating tosser Nani wasn't at least booked for his part in it.
16 Posted 02/11/2010 at 10:06:27
At Old Trafford you will play the full 90 minutes with NO advantage. In my 40 years of supporting the blues, it has always been EFC against United and whoever is dressed in black. End of, and that rule applies to every other EPL team.
You are fooling yourself if you think that Spurs would have been given the same goal at the other end.
17 Posted 02/11/2010 at 10:06:29
As for poor reffing, why did the ref in the RS/Bolton match not see that Carragher was fouling Davies when he had a 6-yard box header towards the end? He practically shoved him to the turf from behind. It was a nailed on penalty, just like the Lescott incident in the Clattenburg derby. When you remember there was a hands-raised handball shout for a peno earlier, I think there must be some agreement that Carragher is exempt from the normal rules...
18 Posted 02/11/2010 at 10:24:49
The linesman told the twat there was a handball in the box, he bottled it.
19 Posted 02/11/2010 at 10:26:29
He was also the ref who gave the most one sided refereeing display at Goodison in the Derby game - no more needs saying.
But, from the position he was in he could not see the handball by Nani, so when the linesman told him it was handball he should have stopped play, booked Nani and awarded Spurs a free kick. He should also have booked Ferdinand.
If one of the Spurs players had handled the ball and the goalie just cleared the ball, would Mr Clattenberg have called back play and awarded a penalty to Utd after consulting the linesman ?
You bet he would !
20 Posted 02/11/2010 at 12:03:51
As for the no advantage gained thing, if the ref waves the advantage, which he did, and the goalkeeper is to stupid to take advantage of said advantage then why should he let off the responsibility.
Finally, everyone is bleating about hard done by Spurs, and wasn't it wrong of Rio to interfere with the linesman (oo-er missus). Roll the clock back a couple of weeks, Huddleston goal flagged offside, ref says no goal, Spurs players surround the ref and he changes his mind. Please nobody say that a player swinging his boot at the ball and missing is not active. Spurs got exactly what they deserved.
21 Posted 02/11/2010 at 12:21:15
He didnt blow the whistle.
Gomes had the ball and put it down.
Nani scored with the loose ball.
Gomes was at fault as was the linesman who should have backed his ref up and kept his flag down when the Spurs players harangued him.
The only fault I saw in Clattenbergs actions was in letting Rio do a Gerrard and poke his face in having told the Spurs players to go away.
All my under 11's at training on sunday chorused "play to the whistle" when I asked them what should have happened!
22 Posted 02/11/2010 at 12:34:42
It's a combination of Gomes being a tit, Nani being a cheat and Clattenberg being........well Clattenberg.
23 Posted 02/11/2010 at 13:04:45
20- a goalkeeper can't take it anywhere in the penalty area, only in the goal area.
Gomes cocked it up, but common sense on Clattenburg's part should have been that the advantage didn't accrue and the free kick could be given.
24 Posted 02/11/2010 at 13:39:46
25 Posted 02/11/2010 at 13:39:55
Clattenburg didn't need to signal advantage, the fact that he didn't blow his whistle means the game continues.
The fault lies entirely with Gomez(/s) and blaming Clattenburg is pointless.
When he went to ask the lino the conversation could have only conceivably gone like this:
Lino: Nani handballed it.
Ref: I didn't give it (so I'm f*cked)
Hence why Clattenburg looked so forlorn and shrugged his shoulders in the knowledge he would be the centre of controversy again.
Clattenburg is culpable only for not seeing or disregarding the handball.
Harry has come out and said 'no more interviews' if he gets punished - might stop him using the opportunity to tap up other team's players!
26 Posted 02/11/2010 at 14:18:49
Have a look at ESPN "Between the Lines" where they do a lip reading act on the ref and the linesman, but strangely not Ferdinand.
27 Posted 02/11/2010 at 17:53:40
Thing is, I actually thought it was a pen. Nani may have made a meal of it, but he does get slightly pulled back.
28 Posted 02/11/2010 at 18:02:22
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