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Pienaar has to go

By Jake Wilson :  18/11/2010 :  Comments (51) :
Steven Pienaar had a slow start to the season but, because he?s now an Everton superstar, every excuse that you could possibly think of ? like: he is tired, he is missing home etc, was being put to his defence, as the season went on there were glimmers of the old him. But over the past couple of games he has deteriorated in form. Very many short passes go missing; his mind does not seem to be on the game.

People will be saying we should let him go for free in the summer ? we only bought him for £2 million, but what happens come March/April/May when Pienaar is in a 50/50 and he backs out of it because he doesn?t want to go to his new club with an injury? Say the opposition then counter and score, we drop 2 or 3 points and we miss out on Europe by a point? We need to let Pienaar go not for him but for us.

Pienaar is not irreplaceable by a long way; there are certain aspects of his game that he is very weak on. For example; goal scoring, crossing and positional play, where was he playing on Sunday against Arsenal? We could easily pick up a talented LEFT footed LEFT winger for around £6/7 million.

We could get rid of him for a ridiculously low price in January. Or we could buy someone in January who has his heart 100% on the club and not a move elsewhere. There is the possibility of buying Donovan in January, and his heart would be 100% on Everton.

This is not an anti-Pienaar article whatsoever ? it is for Everton fans to open their eyes and realise that Pienaar is not our best player by a long shot, he is not irreplaceable, we need to let him go as soon as we can.

I have heard the Krancjar rumours... I would bite Tottenham?s hands off ? he is a class player who wants to play football, we need a class player who wants to play football for us. Sounds good when you think about it doesn?t it?

We need a few extra players in January to bolster our squad up. lets hope Bill can dig deep into his back pocket?

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Charlie Percival
1   Posted 18/11/2010 at 21:20:17

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SP leaving for KP? ? Yes, Steven Pienaar will be leaving for Peanuts. :))

Okay, I'll try keep this short and sweet cos I'm in the library and well behind in my degree and need to kick on so shouldn't even be doing this but its' been bugging me for months.

Pienaar when joining us was a player who was low on confidence and it looked as thoughh he would never realise his potential. Moyes did his usual and spotted this potential (as he does) and has now made Steven realise his potential, which has helped both Everton and Steven himself.

I don't think he should go: I think Moyes should stop being stubborn and give him parity with Arteta. He is now a good enough player and as important and Arteta, Cahill to command parity with the high earners (even though £60/70k makes me sick... but that's another matter).

Moyes needs to realise Steven can move for free to a club such as Inter, Arsenal, Munich etc (who have reported interest). If these 'giants' are willing to pick him up on a free and pay him the extra £10/20k a week he's after, isn't that telling us something? If he is good enough for those teams who play in Champions League every season, then why the hell are we letting him go for free?

I know Moyes wears the trousers but sometimes David you have to realise that we cannot replace a £10/20 (depending who's valuing and who's buying) million pound player. I know we expect some loyalty, but he's given us that and this is 2010... nearly 2011. Players are employees and have no right to be loyal, just like you could work for Microsoft then move to IBM. It's a dog-eat-dog world we live in, Rooney showed us we have no right to expect loyalty. Players who are loyal get our utmost respect but these are probably 5% of footballers.

If we cannot replace... DO NOT SELL (or GIVE AWAY)!!!

Come on, Everton! Steven has been on a par with our best players over the years, his commitment, attitude, work rate, and importance are not underestimated by me and I expect most of you fans. If Steven wants to leave for a change of scenery, then that's a completely different issue, but the agent has admitted it's to do with disagreement on contract as Pienaar loves the club; if that's a smokescreen for him leaving for other matters then it's something only Steven, his agent, (and maybe Moyes) knows (... maybe he doesn't!).

The day Steven Pienaar leaves us for free in the summer will be a very sad day for Everton Football Club.

Guy Hastings
2   Posted 18/11/2010 at 21:31:24

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If giving him earnings parity with Arteta results in the same level of performance that we're getting from TBLSWK then I'd fuck him off toot sweet.
Michael Kenrick
3   Posted 18/11/2010 at 21:38:29

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Guy... "toot sweet"?!?

Your old French master just did a 180 in his resting place.
Dennis Stevens
4   Posted 18/11/2010 at 21:47:00

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Michael, unlike yourself perhaps, Guy is obviously a fan of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Gerry Western
5   Posted 18/11/2010 at 21:44:49

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I must be missing something here. Wasn't Pienaar voted our Player of the Season last year?

As for his recent form, I had him as a candidate for the MotM award last weekend. Frankly, if I had to choose between Pienaar and Arteta, I'd opt for Pienaar. Arteta tends to blow hot and cold and doesn't offer us the kind of consistency afforded by Pienaar.

If Arteta's worth the kind of money we're rumoured to be paying him, then, at the very least, Pienaar deserves parity, if not more.

As for Krancjar and players wishing to play for the club, didn't he claim that EFC were interested in him but he opted to sign for Tottenham instead? A claim the club later refuted.

Andy Crooks
6   Posted 18/11/2010 at 22:23:38

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Charlie, I'm glad you took the time off from the tough student life because you make a few good points. I've been wrong about Pienaar. I have said on this site that he is vastly overrated. I was wrong, he provides, in Arteta's run of shite form, the only quality in the side. As we are buying no-one every effort should be made to keep what quality we have.
Chris Jones
7   Posted 18/11/2010 at 22:29:28

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Bang on Gerry, Pienaar was our best player alongside Distin on Sunday
Steve Edwards
8   Posted 18/11/2010 at 23:31:56

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Make no mistake, we will miss Pienaar. It will be a sad day when he goes. I can't detect any drop in form while in his last year of contract. As Gerry has said, he was Player of the Season last year. Always there for the out ball, even when tightly marked, he will usually retain possession. How many others in the team can you say that of?

He may not score as many goals as he should but he is still a top player. Do you really think the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Inter would be sniffing around if he wasn't.

Many a game I've watched this season and thought we were poor and Pienaar was the only shining light. I couldn't help thinking what we would have been like if he hadn't been on the pitch. I found the thought quite scarey but this is what we could face come the New Year.

Eric Myles
9   Posted 19/11/2010 at 01:41:34

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Pienaar was our Player of the Year last season because Arteta was injured. He stands out and shines when Arteta is not on the field, as it seems he never gets noticed when Arteta is playing.

All the posts lately seem to be about how poor Arteta has been, without much recognition of how much better Pienaar has been... so, the way Arteta's form is at the moment, I'd drop him and give Pienaar the chance to shine again.

Tim Brashar
10   Posted 19/11/2010 at 02:23:07

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People have been critical of Moyes and the club for not cashing in on Pienaar over the summer. I see it a different way. We are getting the services of a quality player for another season. If this season had gone to plan, we would be pushing for a CL spot. Pienaar having been a settled player, knowing the system, having the understanding with Baines etc, would have been a key part in getting us there.

With a CL spot, we then would have had money and the lure to buy players to replace Pienaar if he really did want to leave us. But one would hope that with a CL spot and an achieving, ambitious team, Pienaar would have wanted to stay.

I think it was a gamble to take, but a good one. Either way, it would have been a gamble selling him & bringing in an untested player. Obviously this season has so far not turned out to be the season we hoped, so now everyone looks like a goose.

If Pienaar really is the mercenary he is sometimes made out to be, at least we will get a quality season out of him giving 100% every game as he is playing for a contract. When I have seen him play for Everton, I have never seen him give anything less, regardless.
Ste Traverse
11   Posted 19/11/2010 at 03:17:50

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I'm fucking bored of hearing and reading blues banging on and on about buying Donovan and the OP is yet another one.

For fuck's sake, we don't have a bean to spend under these clueless buffoons in the boardroom... so where do these fans think we're going to get the reported £10m asking price plus his wages??

We may as well keep Pienaar until the end of the season as the fee we'd get for him in January would be so small it wouldn't be worth getting rid then. If we did get shut of Pienaar in January, who would take his place for the rest of the season? Bily? Do me a favour!
John Barnes
12   Posted 19/11/2010 at 03:14:15

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Valid point about clubs picking him up for free and so able to pay Pienaar the extra £10-20k he's supposed to be wanting. So why don't we do it? He'd be a 'free' to us wouldnt he?

And what price a quality replacement? Is Gueye his replacement? Will we ever find out? OK, Pienaar doesn't score goals regularly ? but who does, apart from Cahill?

I said earlier that a club in Everton's financial position shouldn't miss a business oportunity in letting an unsettled player, a very saleable asset, leave for nothing. If he's going we should have cashed in. If we want him, pay him the going rate.

Ricardo Humphries
13   Posted 19/11/2010 at 06:03:25

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Jake Wilson, I think you're not seeing that bigger picture here. When Pienaar was playing under Ronald Koeman, it was evident that he's world class. (Keep in mind this is the same player that made Rafael van der Vaart sit on the bench at Ajax. He just went through a bad patch with Dortmund in Germany... but he's always been the same creative player. DM just capitalized on the situation Pienaar was in. If it wasn't DM, someone else would have rescued him... someone like Bayern for example.)

Charlie Percival , I think you have it spot on with your assessment... definitely big-picture thinking mate... good luck with the degree!

If I look at last week?s game, Arteta couldn't make one single tackle during that whole game... or track back, let alone the dismal error he made that ultimately resulted in Arsenal scoring.

Let?s look at Arteta?s last 2 season and ask yourself, has he done better that Pienaar? The answers in ?hell NO?... so why is he being paid way more that Pienaar? Only DM can answer that one.

I still do not agree with the salaries these players are getting nowadays. (They're earning in one week is 3 times my annual salary here in South Africa) But what's fair should just be that... fair. If bigger clubs are willing to pay him that... why not us?

Ricardo Humphries
14   Posted 19/11/2010 at 06:17:07

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Oh by the way guys, South Africa lost against the USA the other day and I attended the match ? and guess who was the only player that turned up for South Africa.... yep, Stevie P. Who watched the game? (I think ESPN televised the game.)
Rupert Coghlan
15   Posted 19/11/2010 at 08:22:40

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Pienaar needs to go. He was a great signing but he wants Champions League Football and we can't offer him that any time soon. He's playing for a contract now, trying to do everything in the oppositions half, but little in ours.

Nasri had a free run at Baines all afternoon on Sunday, both goals came from Pienaar not doing his defensive duty when Baines had 'bombed on'.

I think he is a great player, but usually when someone wants to go, it's just a matter of time.

If we sold Pienaar for a nominal fee ? we'd probably get no more than £2M ? and sold Billy back to a Russian team, we'd hopefully have near £10M to spend. What would I do if it's possible?

Get Landon back on loan, Bentley if Landon wants a rest. And do everything possible to sign N'Zogbia who is on fine form currently, offers pace, dribbling and end product (crosses and goals) going forward, and has the left back roots to be able to defend too. In fact, he'd even be able to play emergency full back.

Distin, Saha and Gueye would probably need to be on the negotiating panel!
Allan Jones
16   Posted 19/11/2010 at 09:02:01

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Sadly, I think this whole ordeal is down to Pienaar's agent. There have been reports other clubs are interested but I very much doubt there's been substantial interest. I think clubs looking for a bargain may have sniffed around but it's come to nothing the and I also think he had hoped to attract buyers in the World Cup but he was average.

All-in-all, I think it's a good situation for Everton, we paid similar money if not more for Andy van der Meyde and got not nothing; with Pienaar he's been in the side regularly. Therefore I think we've recouped our money, had we paid £4M for him and he been indifferent, we'd have got less for him anyway.

I don't want him to go and think if he does go to some of the so possible suitors I think he himself is not seeing the bigger picture. I don't think he'll command a first team place (Inter Milan, Spurs etc) and, as 'Big mouth Harry' has shown, he has no loyalty and won't be happy until he has 3 players for every position.

If SP wanted to stay, he would've signed by now. I think he's gambling getting a big sign on fee. It's refreshing (even if it isn't realistic) seeing Landon Donovan's comments at the moment as, in lieu of this, someone still WANTS to play for Everton!

Kunal Desai
17   Posted 19/11/2010 at 09:17:49

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"We need a few extra players in January to bolster our squad up. Let's hope Bill can dig deep into his back pocket."

Nice try, Jake, but we all know that'll never happen. How many transfer windows has it been since we spent a penny without the proceeds of players exiting?
Trust me, it won't happen.
Steve O'Malley
18   Posted 19/11/2010 at 09:12:31

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Jake, I am with you on this to some extent. I think that Pienaar has been a really good player for us since he arrived and fully deserved his Player of the Year award last year. Whilst he has played reasonably well this year, he has been good and bad (like a number of others); I think he really wants to move on for bigger money.

Whilst he has been really good for us and he is obviously a good player, there are chinks in his armour. My frustration with him lies in his final pass, his poor shooting, and his general inability to score a goal.

Whilst we would miss his him, I think we need to get some money for him that can be put toward buying a replacement (Krancjar, Bentley, N'Zogbia, Ireland). At the end of the day, I want players playing for the Club who are 100% committed and, as I said previously, I think he sees himself playing for a "better" club.

Gareth Humphreys
19   Posted 19/11/2010 at 09:44:45

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Sell Arteta, keep Pienaar.
Chez Hutton
20   Posted 19/11/2010 at 10:13:37

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I'd rather Pienaar stayed ? I dont think it should be Pienaar or Arteta though. Arteta has been a good player for us, but isn't currently in good form... I'm sure that will return though!

More important than how much Pienaar reportedly wants and whether he wants/deserves parity with Arteta, is the need for him to want to stay. At no stage has he come out and said 'I want to be at Everton, we just need to sort out the contract'.

So all the talk of give him what he wants is probably irrelevant ? he wants to move on!
Bertie Alloff
21   Posted 19/11/2010 at 10:20:19

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@Jake Wilson
You sound like a lad who knows he's going to get jilted by someone he loves. Your first paragraph is factually inaccurate. It's just a sad case of slagging him off before he goes so you won't feel so bad when he does.

Pienaar, whether you like it or not, has been, alongside Baines, our most creative outlet in this, admittedly poor, season. I for one like the guy and believe he is right to hold out for what he is undoubtedly worth, you would in your job, why shouldn't he? And before I get criticism about the wages he's already on, it's all relative.

I can't believe we can give contracts to average squad players, and past-it forwards, but not offer a player that actually creates and excites a wage that befits him in the football market.
Charlie Dixon
22   Posted 19/11/2010 at 11:09:29

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I think we're resigned to losing him and it will ultimately be decided on what offers we recieve in January on whether it makes sense for us to sell then or to simply let him play out his contract. I'd hazzard a guess that £2.5-£3M would be the spread that would decide it.

If we are to lose him, I think realistic targets would have to be Kranjcar, Muntari (on loan), Sessegon (on loan), or signing players like Dale Jennings or Jamie Mackie from the lower divisons.

I think Donovan won't happen and actually isn't constructive unless signed permanently. N'Zogbia would cost too much and his wages are too high.

Sam Hoare
23   Posted 19/11/2010 at 11:26:25

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At the moment Stevie P is in the shop window and playing his best for the new suitors. Once he signs a pre-contract, which he can do from January onwards, that motivation will subside.

If we can shift him for a few million in January then do it. There are a few clubs after him and if we're lucky we'll get £3-5m. Then bring in Landon on loan and start playing 4-3-3 with:

Howard

Coleman Jags Distin/Heitinga Baines
Rodwell Fellaini Arteta/Bily
Donovan Yak/Cahill Saha

Just a thought... bored of what we are currently doing.
Roberto Birquet
24   Posted 19/11/2010 at 11:42:22

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Okay, I'll try keep this short and sweet
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Bloody Hell, Charlie!
Roberto Birquet
25   Posted 19/11/2010 at 11:44:26

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Gerry: A claim the club later refuted.
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No, a claim he later rejected. not the same...
Roberto Birquet
26   Posted 19/11/2010 at 11:46:48

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I'm largely with Rupert on this. Pienaar wants away ? it sure looks that way. Whether we sell him for £2-3 million or allow to play out his contract, I'm not that bothered.

He is good enough for CL football, and we generally qualify for Europa League. Money maybe a part, but I think that is the main sticking point. We can't offer CL football.

Only problem I have with Kranjcar is that we need wingers, not another CM. But if we were offered him for Pienaar, I would with a heavy heart accept.

On Donovan, I reckon only a 4-year deal would do. And if he were to arrive on such a deal, I'd rest him till late Feb. He has played almost non-stop since March 2009, for Pete's Sake.
Anthony Millington
27   Posted 19/11/2010 at 12:38:12

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Chris, no way was Pienaar our best player on Sunday. Coleman and Baines were more of a threat. They actually bust a gut to run forward and take players on, more than what that big head does.

He thinks he's too good for Everton, for an attacking midfielder how often does he score and how often do one of his passes actually come off? He is a nearly player and that's why he is not good enough for one of the top clubs. It says it all that Seamus Coleman, a £40k signing right back from Sligo Rovers, is more dangerous than him at the moment. That is also why he does not deserve the same amount of money as Arteta and he should look at what Tim Cahill does for Everton before signing a contract anywhere near the same amount.
Al Reddish
28   Posted 19/11/2010 at 13:14:02

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Maybe Pienaar stalled on his contract last summer as he wanted to see if the Board's ambitions matched his own and David Moyes's.

Moyes is going nowhere and has to make do with what Bill gives him for now but Pienaar is the holder of all his own cards. He can now go and get a bumper signing-on fee and, as he is free, his wages will probably be significantly higher than we can afford to pay him. Also, he can see out the last few years of his career playing Champions League footie... something else we are a long way off from giving him. (If only we capatalised when we finished 4th like Spurs have... but that's another thread!)

I for one can't blame him for doing the things the way he has and at least he ain't done a Lescott on us. He leaves with my good wishes ? so long as it's not to them horrible red bastards next door!

Michael Rowland
29   Posted 19/11/2010 at 14:12:37

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Pienaar has ambition; Everton don't. That's the bottom line.

Pienaar is worth two of lazy Arteta. He wants the same money as Arteta and Everton won't give it to him. We are keeping the wrong player.

Allan Jones
30   Posted 19/11/2010 at 14:23:24

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Pienaar - 'Good enough for CL football'? In which country? He's not good enough for the top four in this country, maybe every other game (similar to Ji Sung Park's involvement at Man Utd) so I see it as this:

First team birth at Everton, adulation of the fans etc

Fringe player at a club playing Champions League in the PL, Bundesliga, Serie A or La Liga?

Or move on to a CL team in a league like France.

I won't lose any sleep if Pienaar goes. I rate him as a player but he can be replaced, I felt worse over Lescott going because I knew it could leave a void (a fairly solid CB, our back-up left-back, and he scored quite a few goals).
Anthony Millington
31   Posted 19/11/2010 at 15:34:38

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Pienaar is worth two Arteta's? Wait there... how many goals has Pienaar scored and how many has he set up?

Pienaar is one of the reasons we are where we are in the league because he plays pretty football and has no end product when we need a result. When he was out injured, we actually won a few games.

I'm not defending Arteta because he has been poor recently, but he is one of the reasons we dominate possession against many teams. It's not Arteta's fault he doesn't have the players around him to make runs and benefit from his ability.

Andrew Ellams
32   Posted 19/11/2010 at 17:07:55

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Pienaar is our best player around the edge of the box by a country mile.
Joseph Hand
33   Posted 19/11/2010 at 19:04:03

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Steven Pienaar, for me, has played well this season and shown a good attitude towards our club when on the pitch. I thought he played well against Arsenal on Sunday and I also thought he was terrific against United earlier in the season.

Do the math: if we lose Pienaar for nothing (or for peanuts), we CANNOT replace him ? simple as that. He's a cracking little player and we will sorely miss him.

And all this talk about Kranjcar... well where are we gonna get the money to sign him? If we get anything for Pienaar, it will be no more than £5M and you can't buy the Kranjcars of this world for a measly £5M these days.

Quite frankly, the extra money he is asking for will seem like peanuts once we realise the dramatic negative effect of him leaving has had on our perfromances on the pitch ? trust me.

Gerry Western
34   Posted 19/11/2010 at 19:43:21

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Roberto. It was widely reported at the time and, contrary to your assertion, the club did refute this:
www.nsno.co.uk/news.php?extend.5155
David Hallwood
35   Posted 19/11/2010 at 20:07:15

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What a difference a couple of months make. I was on holiday when I read that Arteta had signed a new contract, and like the saddo that I am, made a few excuses and found an internet cafe to see what the feedback would be like on TW. It was as if we had won the EPL, FA cup and CL everyone was ecstatic. Suddenly he?s a lazy bastard who should?ve been sold when we had the chance.

Admittedly he has had a poor start to the season and Sunday against the Arse, he was... well, Arse ? without a doubt the worst I?ve seen Arteta in a blue jersey. But I?ll counteract that by saying that he?s been the best Everton player (apart from Kanchelskis and he only had one good season with us) since the glory days by a country mile.

Pienaar; will he stay or go? I?m neutral on the subject, I?d like him to stay but there are better players in his position who score the odd goal or two.
Steve O'Malley
36   Posted 19/11/2010 at 21:05:32

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Anthony @ 27. You are right on the money.
Colin Malone
37   Posted 19/11/2010 at 20:49:11

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Steven Pienaar's work rate has been first class, especially when you are putting yourself in the shop window... but he lacks that bit of class around the penalty area.

Let me say this: Bily or Pienaar for that bit of guile or shooting around the penalty area??? It's Bily all the time. Drop Pienaar, give Bily a run, and get behind him... and I know ? I'm certain we will see more goals.

Stephen Kenny
38   Posted 19/11/2010 at 22:58:44

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Colin,

If Bily turns out to be half the player Pienaar is I'll show my arse in the bathroom section of Rapid DIY without the managers express permission.
Ciarán McGlone
39   Posted 20/11/2010 at 12:58:35

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Pienaar ? before last season ? was about as inconsistent as a player could be. Glimpses of brilliance followed by long periods where he couldn't pass a ball.

He thought he'd done enough to earn a bumper pay day at a decent club... and has simply refused to sign a contract because he thinks he's better than he actually is.

To be honest, I will not shed a tear if the pious hypocrite goes.
Paul Gallagher
40   Posted 20/11/2010 at 18:59:41

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if he doesn't want to play for us let him go as soon as possible if we can get anything for him in january it would be a bonus ,but it looks like we will have him until the summer . i think he is a good player but not a great one because he doesn't score enough goals and his final ball lets him down.
Dean Adams
41   Posted 20/11/2010 at 19:05:21

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Ciarán McGlone
Its taken some time, but finally I agree with you. I think you have got him absolutely nailed, bang to rights!
Martin Faulkner
42   Posted 20/11/2010 at 22:21:43

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Half decent player who's had some dubious off field behavouir, trouble with his ex, drink driving etc, wont be sorry to see him go but it's a shame we're not flogging him for 6-7m to someone rather than him walking on a free, however if we could get even a couple of mil in Jan then we should take it and spend it on an up and coming player, this is the only area moyes has sucess in the market with, when he tries to buy real quality he tends to spunk it on the wrong payers. There must be a few good young wingers with pace in the championship surely?
Paul Gladwell
43   Posted 21/11/2010 at 12:39:48

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Pienaar has been our best player by a mile lately.
Where the hell you have this dip in form shite, try looking at our overated star man Arteta first.
He was class against Bolton and was the only one trying to create, did you lads manage to see this on Iraqi goals?
He was also with Distin the best player for us last week, not to mention Blackpools last ten minutes onslaught coincided with Pienaar going off.
The next time you go the game, watch the lads work rate off the ball, he is worth every penny Arteta gets, give him the money as we wont replace him with better, and then we could be waiting an eternity for his replacement to gel, or worse turn into a Bily and that is something we cannot afford.
Stephen Kenny
44   Posted 21/11/2010 at 12:56:51

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Agree fully Paul. I think going the match gives a better appreciation of what he does.
Steve Smith
45   Posted 21/11/2010 at 17:22:57

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Agree with Gerry Weston 5,
Give him the money Moysie.
Paul Gallagher
46   Posted 21/11/2010 at 18:40:26

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Even if we give him what Arteta is on, he will still go because other clubs can offer more.
Steve Smith
47   Posted 21/11/2010 at 20:24:38

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You could be right, Paul, but if it is just a question of parity with Arteta, then the offer should be made.

On a side note, does anyone else think that him and Arteta tend to get in each other's way sometimes? Pienaar was all over the pitch looking for the ball against Bolton which seemed to confuse Arteta a bit from what I could see.

Colin Wordsworth
48   Posted 21/11/2010 at 22:41:03

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Pienaar is a bit of an enigma really, his workrate at times looks fantastic... but his return from injury has co-incided with our recent poor performances. For an attacking midfielder, his goalscoring return is paltry and it appears Arteta is having to play deeper to accomodate him. He has not had an assist all season!

So in essence Bily has scored the same amount of goals in half the appearances and had more assists... but Pienaar looks busier!.... Either him or Arteta? Arteta every time. Could the standoff re wages be causing waves behind the scenes?

Ernie Baywood
49   Posted 23/11/2010 at 02:38:16

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You can pull stats out, you can offer all sorts of opinions but you won't change my mind that Everton are a better team when Pienaar is playing.

Assists aren't meaningful stats so let's ignore them, but scoring goals are clearly his shortcoming. But then, as well as getting forward, he also chases back... maybe you just can't have everything?

When Arsenal were twotting us all over the show at Goodison last year, 10 blokes had their heads down and had stopped running. Steven Pienaar chased and harried like he was embarrassed and hurt ? I'll never forget that. If he goes then it's with my best wishes; we've had ample opportunity to keep him.
Paul Gladwell
50   Posted 23/11/2010 at 07:59:44

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We were suffering a bit of an onslaught in the first half last night and all of a sudden it changed due to the fact Pienaar started working even harder than he does by coming inside, doing a job Arteta should be doing. Pienaar was superb again last night whilst Arteta was shite again last night.

Colin, "Pienaar's return has coincided with our recent poor results"! We have lost once against Arsenal, the lad is twice the player Arteta is at the moment, and we are just saying, "Oh let him go, we only paid buttons for him anyway," ? what utter shite mentality. When you see how we have blown millions on Bily, it`s a no-brainer.

Colin Wordsworth
51   Posted 23/11/2010 at 18:08:54

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Paul

Yet again, no assist, slowing the play down... no goal!

Look at the wider picture... and one league win with him in the side! Hard work... yes; to blame for Sunderland's first goal? Probably! Worldbeater ? definitely NOT!

Ernie, he was totally out of his depth against Arsenal and it was his loose pass that eneded with their second goal! He is an above-average pPremier League player... end of. No more, no less! And he wants to leave... bad apple? Probably!

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