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A really bad day at the office

By Michael Kenrick :  27/11/2010 :  Comments (116) :

Without Phil Neville, David Moyes left Irish starlet Seamus Coleman on the bench and brought in the experienced Tony Hibbert at right-back as he stuck Victor Anichebe back in the first team. Phil Neville was presumably injured while the poor Louis Saha was dropped in favour of Yakubu.

An early free-kick was delivered in superbly by Baines but Distin could not reach it. Anichebe was in action too down the right. Pienaar did well to feed Cahill who decided he would be a striker today and had a poke but showed just why Everton don't shoot from distance. Hopeless. Anichebe had a better poke from wide that Carson had to save well as Everton looked to take full control of the game after dominating the first exchanges.

But of course that led to a period of more sustained possession for West Brom, although they could provide little penetration as Everton kept swinging the ball up the right to Anichebe. But it was West Brom who won the first corner, and a fantastic bullet header from Paul Scharner was poweered into the back of the net despite a hand from Howard, with Cahill nowhere to be seen.

Anichebe won a rather soft free-kick right on the edge of the area but Baines's curler was far too high as Arteta stood back and looked on. Cahill won another kick a little further out; this time, Arteta on que failed to beat the lone first defender. Heitinga needlessly passed straight to a West Brom player in the Everton half, allowing them to develop their second attack and a strike that screwed wide of goal.

Lee Mason was being very generous to Everton with marginal decisions, this time Yakubu going over very easily inside the Dee. Arteta did a lot better this time, forcing the save form Carson. Cahill then gave away a dangerous free-kick at the other end that Brunt stroked superbly over the four-man wall and into the top corner, just an inch inside the post, with Howard close to it but unable to keep it out. 0-2!!! Oh dear...

The Everton crowd now became frustrated and super critical of poor player decisions, Pienaar's pass back to a marked player who lost possession drawing howls of derision. But Mason gave them another soft kick and Brunt got booked for kicking the ball away. Everton's problems were underlined with a pathetic shot from Pienaar that dribbled well wide of the Park End goal, followed by Yakubu misplacing a simple pass from a throw-in.

Carson cleared straight to Cahill but Yakubu was clearly offside for the return ball as Everton struggled to get anything going. Pienaar looked to have stopped a cross with his arm but not for the first time, Lee Mason looked kindly on the Blues, although it actually was off his chest.

Everton won their first corner in the 42nd minute, and a beautiful outswinger delivered from Baines was met perfectly by Cahill and powered in to the far side of the goal, a superb header to put the Blues back in it. Much better football followed from Everton, winning Everton's second corner, clipped in well with real power by Baines... but incredibly no-one could convert it, Heitinga the closest at the far post.

Second half, and no need for Moyes to make any changes after that rousing Cahill strike, although Anichebe had switched to the left side, but the Baggies were not for giving up the fight easily, pressuring Everton all over the field, and making the Blues work for any meaningful possession. And when they got it, Anichebe's cross was poor.

With nothing happening for the Blues after 6 or 7 minutes of the second half, Moyes descided to make what was a for him an early and significant double change... but not completing it until West Brom had another worrying attack. Beckford on for Heitinga; Saha on for Yakubu at 56 mins!

Beckford got his chance early but Carsdon got a good piece of it, Brunt clearing it off the line, then Jara elbowed Baines in the face ? no free-kick, then Jara leapt in on Arteta for a clear red card that incensed Arteta, who stampled on his leg, and the Everton players and crowd went nuts... But Jara, the cause of all the mayhem, got off scott free, while Areta walked for his reltaliaton.

So... a goal down, now a man down... Goodison not exactly a morgue this week! Moyes then switched Rodwell on for the tiring Anichebe on the hour. Beckford took a shot too early and screwed it weakly well wide. Rodwell did well down the right and then Cahill had a pop from distance but the chances were hard to create. Pienaar pushed through a good ground ball for Beckford, just fractionally overhit, but Carson was out fast. West Brom counter-attacked with pace to keep Everton's 10 men on their toes as Di Matteo began his substitutuions to disrupt the flow as much as anything else.

West Brom had a very strong spell as they took full advantage of the extra man; Dorrans went in the book for a tackle from behind on Pienaar. Everton worked the ball forward, Hibbert over everyone to Beckford who, with the goal gaping, wellied it horribly into the top tier of the Gwladys Street. League 1 striking skills sadly in full evidence from the ex-glass-fitter.

Cahill, playing deper, tried the same Route One to Saha but nothing came of it, while at the other end, substitute Tchoi ran in easily on Hibbert, backing off, and he clipped in an excellent shot high to the far side of the goal that Howard was nowhere near close to saving. 1-3 and the fightback now surely over, with 15 frustrating minutes left.

Tchoi was dancing past Hibbert at will down the Everton right and creating havoc, Everton totally defeated, unable to do anything with the ball. Mullumbu should have been booked for a foul from behind on Pienaar. From the free-kick, the ball hit Jara's arm, but howls for a penalty were ignored by referee Mason.

Mullumbu was the next to rub salt in as, in yet another stinging attack down the Everton right, Tcjhoi waltzed inside of Hibbert to set up Mullumbo for West Brom's fourth. Mullumbo was yellow carded for his clebration, and them given a second yellow when he clipped Pienaar's heel... Red card.

Beckford squandered yet another guilt-edged chance, hooking over with only the keeper to beat, and summing up a dreadful say for him and the Blues.

An astounding confounding game of football that everyone expected Everton to dominate after a good opening, but little went right for the Blues today, while everything clicked for West Brom. Things could have been very different if Jara had been correctly penalized and dismissed for (a) elbowing Baines and then (b) diving in on Arteta. But instead, Arteta got the red card at a critical point in the game.

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Andy Crooks
1   Posted 27/11/2010 at 16:58:42

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In the summer, some misguided folk thought we might qualify for the champions league. Then ,after the usual appalling start, the optimists said judge by Christmas. I don't think we, wait until then. We are in a relegation battle now.

Surely, there are few Evertonians who can believe that David Moyes is fit to run the club? Today has been coming and was needed. We have a reasonable squad and an inept, tired. over-rated, bewildered, over-paid coach.

If David Moyes has any pride or integrity, he will follow the decent example of Gordon Strachan. I fear, however, that this will be a painful lingering death. We are in serious trouble.

Joe McMahon
2   Posted 27/11/2010 at 16:59:20

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It can't be true, I'm told Hibbert is a class defender. Sadly it's not true anyone with pace dances past him. Where do we start here. It's gone stale, Moyes in his 9th season is clueless, still it might shut up once and for all the Moyes is going to Man U, don't think their fans would put up with the negative play somehow, oh and they want a winner!
Kunal Desai
3   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:03:12

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I sincerely hope Moyes does the rightful thing, he cannot motivate this lot any further, and Evertonians want to remember him for the good times not the bad ones. Don't create even a bigger hole David. Please go at the end of this season.
Joe McMahon
4   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:02:19

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Andy nail on, it's even too late for our late season start. I despise Moyes for taking 65k a week from our club.
Joe McMahon
5   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:07:12

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Can't see the Media Global Machine Beckham coming to play for relegation fodder in a wooden stadium can you?
Jackie Barry
6   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:18:07

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Joe McMahon, most of us don't want old man Beckham here anyway. It's embarrassing that Moyes came out in the media and said what he did! Today will eventually turn out to be a good day for the club. He simply has to go.
Andy Paolacci
7   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:07:58

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It's hard to see many positives out of today, but I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that Beckford was one of them.

Yes, he didn't take his chances today, but the lad continually gets into the right positions and I don't care what anyone says, but eventually, those chances will be thundered into the back of the net.

Yakubu & Saha repeatedly give fuck all & today's example of their lazy movement gives full credence to that.

If I was Moyes, I would drop both Yakubu & Saha, & instead would start Beckford for the next game. Yes, that's right. I'd start him. Beckford's a confidence player & right now, he'd be feeling every bit of shit. He did everything right today except score; & being that the lad is quite young, you must show faith in these type of players.

Get Beckford starting alongside Cahill. Put Fellaini back into the starting 11 asap now that Arteta will serve his suspension and hope to fuck we can get three points from our next game. COYB!
Jon Cox
8   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:11:23

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What a terrible display. Anechebe on from the start? No Coleman. Whats going on?

Something is not right. Somethings not working. Is it a changing room problem. Is it a tactical problem.

Or, is it that everything about our team manager boardroom is,

STALE
Brian Waring
9   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:17:29

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Joe, I hope he wouldn't come. As someone mentioned on here today, it's bad enough being shite, without being made a laughing stock.
Dave Lynch
10   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:12:20

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Iv'e said it time and time again.
Without Neville we are leaderless on the pitch.
The defence was clueless and the midfield missing yet again, WBA took a while to get into the game, but when they did they picked us off at ease, they gave us an abject lesson in how to play the long ball.
The game was over at 2-0. Artetas sending off which he deserved by the way for stamping only served to paper over the cracks.
Jackie Barry
11   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:23:46

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Dave Lynch, I agree to a point but David Moyes is supposed to be our leader and instill that into his players. He simply has lost the ability to do it and it's time to admit his time is up. It has been up for a while in all honesty and I respect him for what he has done.
Wayne Smyth
12   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:13:27

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People will blame the players and they are at fault. But you have to say that Moyes appears to be unable to instil any confidence or desire.

Even before we went behind, big Vic stood out today in his first game back after a long layout. Coleman stands out when he plays, as does Pienaar. All players with something to prove. Cahill always gives 100%, but that is just his nature. They dont all stand out with their quality, but they do all at least have a go.

I'm actually glad we lost 4-1 rather than 2-1, I'm just sad that Arteta got sent off because the sending off could obscure the real reasons behind the result.

The players need a kick up the arse, the manager needs to be slapped around until he comes to his senses and realises that to win a game you must attack and have balance to your team, and this does not mean playing half your team out of their natural positions.

Its a sad indictment of Moyes time at everton that 9 years on, we still do not have natural left and right wingers, and he doesn't appear happy unless he can somehow get a central defender into midfield.

Its a real pity because other than these few flaws, Moyes has been great for us bringing the club from the brink of relegation scraps season after season into being a regular mid-table team. However I honestly do think it is time for the club to part company with him.
John Ford
13   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:24:38

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Andy (#7) ? I agree about Beckford. There's something to be said for a striker who's able to get into regular scoring positions, albeit he was like a scared rabbit. Let's see Moyes support him and give him a real good run. A bit of confidence and time on the pitch and who knows. Let's be honest, Saha and Yak have had their chance.

Poor all round today, Moyes now has a serious job on his hands. At no point this season have I felt we have a confidence problem. We do now. We were out-fought and looked physically weaker.
Chris Perry
14   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:30:37

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What acomplete joke. I am not watching Everton, either live or on the television, whilst Moyes and Round are there. Everton will be relegated this season.
Lee Scully
15   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:25:42

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Please leave now, Moyes. We thank you for what you have done but enough is enough. Win, lose or draw, the 'football' is terrible.
Bren Connor
16   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:26:16

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Everyone calling for DM to go. Fair enough. But who would replace him? Seriously, who would want to come to Everton that is actually an improvement on Moyes?
Viv Sharma
17   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:32:46

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"Moyes out" has made it to the main bbc football page. COME ON BK, if you're a fan, you can't be happy with DM anymore
Jackie Barry
18   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:21

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Ben, I keep hearing people say this and went along with it for a while, but listen to what you are actually saying. You are saying that nobody would want to manage Everton FC, and that Moyes is doing an OK job. He isn't he's absolutely awful right now and he keeps making the same mistakes. Fair enough we don't have money but we do have some quality in our ranks and they are not being played to their strengths.
Lee Scully
19   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:30

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Owen Coyle, Martin Jol, Roberto Di Matteo, Steve Bruce...

Any of the above would be an improvement.

Dean Adams
20   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:29:25

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Arteta will now have time to get his head right. We wont miss his lack of form for a few games.
Hibbert proved once and for all that he is not a good defender and is shit going forward.
Alex Baker
21   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:32

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@ Everyone saying Moyes should go - remember the bumper contract he signed two years ago? I'm not even sure we could afford to get rid of him, the pay off sum would be immense. Even if we did find the cash to get rid of him, it pretty much eliminates any chance of his successor getting any sort of transfer budget to improve the team. So no matter how badly we do, I can't see Moyes being sacked - unless Moyes decides to walk by himself (and why would he? He has good wages, a stable working environment and pretty much total control of the club), he and Everton are joined at the hip.
Chris Leyland
22   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:36:13

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Dogshite is the word to describe today. I have been a big defender of Moyes on this site but enough is enough. We don't seem to have a plan A let alone being able to change to a plan B. We are miserable and dour ? just like Moyes himslef.

Arteta is a disgrace too. £75k a week for that - fuck off.

I have been an "apologist" for too long. So I'd like to say sorry to everyone else who saw the light before I did.
Alan Clarke
23   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:46:25

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For anyone still defending moyes, we are heading into december with only 3 wins. There are no excuses, no injuries, no real moans at the refs. Moyes declared this his strongest squad yet so how come we're so shite? This is not a team containing the equivalent of alexandersson and ginola and gazza so who's fault is it that we're only 2 points off relegation?
Brian Waring
24   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:42:47

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Alex, you summed it up mate why Moyes will be going nowhere. Also, it would mean that fat lazy twat BK, having to get off his arse to find someone else.

Wayne Smyth
25   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:41:04

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You're probably right Alex, however there may be more to it.

If you were Moyes, and lets imagine that you knew the club were going to be relegated, it would probably be better to walk before that became reality and have that as a stain on your CV.

Currently he's probably viewed as a very good coach who is having a bad season. So he could probably get another prem job very easily. However, if he were to spend the rest of the season with us getting drubbed at home by the likes of WBA and the players clearly not playing for him, his future earning potential would be badly damaged I reckon.
Andy Crooks
26   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:42:27

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Alex, it is because his inexplicable contract that I suggested that he should act the same way that Strachan did. He doesn't need a bumper pay off and would find another job. In fact, it would be the best thing he could do for the club.
Also, why on earth do we have the usual "who will replace him?" crap? Look at the league table, consider his ridiculous salary , is this the best £3.5 million a year can buy? I think we need only fear the future if he stays. The Moyes , Kenwright double act are well on the way to destroying the club.
Tony Hughes
27   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:48:23

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Bren Connor ,who would want to come to Everton? well for the £60`000 a week we are paying this fucking fucking clown you would be surprised mate!
Eugene Ruane
28   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:49:00

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In Moyes we're trussed.
Brian Waring
29   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:49:26

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Thing is though Wayne, Moyes will be here for as long as he wants to be here. He has it cushy , no pressure from his chairman.

He could be here for the next 10 years earning his £75k a - week, if he wanted too.
Aiden Jones
30   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:48:23

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Lee - you list people who might be improvements but are any realistically going to come ?
Sam Higgins
31   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:43:08

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At least a relegation battle will be exciting!

I always thought Moyes would get better and learn and develop as a manager. Its been 8 seasons now.

My mindset has finally changed. And its time for change at Everton!! Im not gonna slag the man off though cause he was excellent for the first 5 seasons when there wasnt a pot to piss in.
Michael Kidd
32   Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:50:13

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The last person to leave does not have to switch off the light. It was off some time ago.
Viv Sharma
33   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:15

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Candles isn't it Michael? Cant afford lights...
Michael Kenrick
34   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:08:59

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One silver lining, perhaps: Moyes will not drop Arteta but he now gets an enforced rest ? Moyes 'rescued' to an extent by Fellaini now returning, having completed his own silly three-match ban for retaliating.
Mike Prendergast
35   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:05:02

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The only positive to come out of today: Arteta banned for three games.

Now Rodwell might get a game before we sell him to fund Moyes wages.
Dean Adams
36   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:09:29

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God, I'm glad we are not in West Ham's position.

Things are not great but, with no money to improve the squad, it was inevitable that we would struggle at some point. The season might be finished as far as Europe is concerned, although looking at the table it is still wide open.

Jackie Barry
37   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:17:45

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How can anyone defend what was just served up? Pleas come to your senses and realise that this is serious. Stop accepting rubbish for Everton FC!!!!
Viv Sharma
38   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:15

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Candles isn't it, Michael? Can't afford lights...
Lee Scully
39   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:25:42

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Aiden ? Everton is still a great club, many managers of quality would jump at the chance.
John Brennan
40   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:25

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WBA for the title?

Dont give up just yet, other teams got walloped as well, the EPL is crap as West Ham's sacked No 2 said.

Yes, we were shite, but so were others. This is where we are, this is the lower reaches of the EPL. They smell roses while you sweep up after them.

Our players just aren't good enough, so let's stop kidding ourselves. We will avoid relegation, and that will do. No dosh, no movement, no bloody silverware... Well, at least we might win the Ashes???!!!

Gavin Ramejkis
41   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:28:17

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Another DM fucking embarrassment, anyone know the odds of him being gone by xmas?
Ian McDowell
42   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:29:44

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What an embarrassment today was.

Johnny Heitinga how bad in midfield is he and still gets a start every week.

The lack of movement is unbelievable in the team and now questions must be asked about the manager.
Jackie Barry
43   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:35:29

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Questions should have been asked about Moyes a long time ago. Our fans are very forgiving but now they must realise that they have to make their feeling known to the board.
Leon Perrin
44   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:31:27

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Moyes is a hornwangler and his supporters are as guilty of lairdforcening as him, as it stands relegation is nailed on.

Stop hairy palms, sight problems and board stiff bed sheets being associated with EFC.

T shirts emblazoned "Moyes is a hornwangler" must be worn for the next home game.
Gavin Ramejkis
45   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:39:07

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Jackie its not just Moyes, its the fucking board too, whole shower of shite needs to be given the boot. Moyes is as stale as a rotting corpse and BK and his arse kissers are fucking clueless, just wait for the season ticket renewals form which will be due in just a few weeks, they can stick it right up their arse on the display so far.

I'm fed up hearing better the devil you know bollocks, who else but BK, I'd take anyone with an ounce of business savvy, and who else but Moyes, well I'd also take anyone who can get a team to play bleeding football ? remember that thing? Your team pass a ball about, entertain the fans, score goals, win games? The shite on offer this season is anti-football and Moyes may as well be the new Gordon Lee.
Jackie Barry
46   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:42:59

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Gavin, I hope you are right about the season tickets but somehow I doubt it. I can see the fans buying them in their droves.

What is it about Everton fans and their lack of an ability to complain? We just don't seem able to do it!

Lee Armitage
47   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:40:27

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Moyes has to go. The whole team looks stale and we're now starting to go backwards. So many players unnecessarily played in the wrong positions. The whole mentality stinks.

Teams like Blackpool, WBA and Bolton all have no money but can still manage to play attacking football... No movement. No passion. No ideas. No excuses.

James Cadwaladr
48   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:41:42

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ROBERTO DI MATTEO!
Andrew Taylor
49   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:35:16

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What a shite day. Came up on the train as usual, freezing my arse off watching atrocious hoofballs to the opposition (copyright Jagielka, 2010) from a collection of near static overpaid 'athletes' who can't beat Brentford, never mind West Brom, now I'm on the 17:48 back to London feeling miserable, and now staring into a carriage full of Woy, $tevie Mbe, LadyBoy, Dirk Kunt and the rest of them. Not what I needed to improve my mood. I hope Spurs batter them ? not that even that will cheer me up this weekend.

Moyes has coached all of the movement out of our players in the name of 'keeping our shape', apart from Pienaar who moves plenty to receive the ball before immediately losing it and will soon be off anyway. Please, please Moyes ? it's not working, you're not working. Please go and do what Walter did for you, give Owen Coyle a call on your way out of the door.

One last thing: we need to fine Arteta the maximum number of weeks wages following his red card, if only as a refund given the form he has shown since signing his contract. Either that or he needs to be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act for touting himself as the best little Spaniard we knew before signing.
Jeff Armstrong
50   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:50:58

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WTF is a hornwangler? You'd look a right dick with a stupid t-shirt on at the next home game.... and you'd be fucking freezing!!
Kunal Desai
51   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:53:15

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You also have to wonder has Moyes lost the dressing room and if so why does he keep on facing this situation? There has got to be something going on at Goodison, some kind of friction between players or the manager. If players don't want to play for him and if it's a continuous theme in the months to come, he's fighting an uphill battle I'm afraid.
Tommy Meehan
52   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:45:34

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Well the headline on the Everton site is pretty inspiring, showing that Moyes has an in-depth understanding of the root of our failings: "Moyes: We weren't Good Enough". Now unless he uttered this statement in the voice of the little girl from the Exorcist with his head spinning round, he might have been better advised to make an allusion to the inadequacy and tedium of language at this point.

Christ, wasn't it West Brom who put four past us a few years back around the same miserable time of the year in the midst of another of his spectacular harrowings of the basement? So much for goddam eschatology...

Leon Perrin
53   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:05:41

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Jeff @ 53

"Hornwangler. To indulge in the practice of lairdforcening"

Get one 2 sizes bigger, put it over your Kagool!!!
Tony Stanley
54   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:17:21

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Is Beckham joining us as the new manager?
Al Reddish
55   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:03:37

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If the forwards are so shit and can't score, then the useless twats should be dropped; have Cahill as the ONE up front and play the £9m player (Bily) behind him. At least this guy knows where the net is and it will be closer to his natural position.

We should also have Rodwell and Fellaini in the middle. Arteta is either injured or shit, as well as now banned, and Heitinga is not a midfielder ? end of.

Coleman on the right and Pienaar on the left. Maybe give Mucha a go while we are at it. The defence will concentrate more as they will feel he will need that bit more protection til he settles in.

Mike Allison
56   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:24:58

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So what's 'lairdforcening' again?
Paul Olsen
57   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:36:17

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This time I have to say you are too kind, Michael.
Colin Potter
58   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:33:32

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Sorry about this Leon. What is Lairdforcenig?
John Fatherly
59   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:33:34

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Yet again, Moyes is proving he has gone as far as he can. Today's headline news about Beckham being wanted at Everton just sums Moyes up. Hands up all those who remember Beckham running around Goodison with his hand cupped to his ear after scoring a few years ago. Moyes has definitely lost the plot.

Today's 'performance' is just another crap display to go with so many others when Moyes decides to write his 'memoirs'. This will definitely be Moyes's last season, one way or the other, and I think that most of this crowd of players will all decide to go their own way after this season ? most of them only signed new contracts because they thought something good was on the cards. They were mistaken and so were we.

He just hasn't got a clue about how the fans feel, and neither the Echo nor the Radio Merseyside phone-ins will reflect the views of the fans on the matter.

Bren Connor
60   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:43:16

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Tony Hughes, With due respect... I know that, but the question is always who?
There is no-one out there who is (a) available (b) an improvement on what we've got (c) would come to Everton. I can think of nobody. Can you come up with owt better?
Charlie Percival
61   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:25:09

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Phil Neville will be next manager when this happen. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse!
Daniel Johnson
62   Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:46:32

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It seems an odd indictment ? why blame a manager for a profligate striker? Do people genuinely believe a new manager would resolve the issue of poor finishing?

What galls most is the undisciplined defence and goalkeeping misjudgments courtesy of Tim Howard. I think we need to revert back to basics and get that sorted before the rest is arrested.
Charlie Percival
63   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:52:56

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After that performance, we'll be lucky to sign Victoria Beckham.
Paul Olsen
64   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:36:46

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Anyone noticed how few "announcements" we have seen from Mr Kenwright this season?

He lays low when the going gets tough and comes out in the sunlight only when we do well.
Leon Perrin
65   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:44:22

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Lairdforcening is a banned Scottish handcraft in honour of the deity Onan, sometimes called Onanism. Imported from the Scandinavians during the Viking sea voyages.

Any Norwegian derived from the "Clan Schitten Reddisk" are deemed expert. Hope that helps...

Colin Malone
66   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:10:52

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Get off Arteta's back. Fabregas could not do any better playing along side a centre-forward and a centre-half. We were missing (and still are) a Lee Carsley type player, who does all the scruffy work (water carrier) then gives the ball to the players like Mikel.

Johnny Heitinga should have been playing that role, you could see within 5 minutes, the big hole in front of centre-halves. If i could see it, Moyes should be seeing it.

Even the Big Fella, who is looking classy, drifts when playing that role and has not got the speed to get back, which puts pressure on Jags and Distin. Martin O'Niell with John Carew for a Plan B.

Mike Rourke
67   Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:41:17

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My knee-jerk reaction at the end of the game was 'Sack Moyes, fuck it just sack him, pick up the pieces afterwards'.

...but as always, after I've calmed down a bit, I come to the conclusion yet again that Moyes has been totally and utterly hamstrung by Kenwright's inability to provide a transfer kitty, and what exactly is he supposed to do about that?

Coyle, Di Matteo, Mike Walker, Mourinho, whoever we get in is going to stagnate if there is no money coming from the boardroom, success in the Premier League is impossible, impossible do y'hear, with a sell-to-buy policy.

Taxi for the board. Not Moyes... not even after today.
Gavin Ramejkis
68   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:06:16

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Daniel #66 the indictment lies at DM's feet, he choses the players, he choses the formation, he choses the strategy, he choses the subs and when to bring them on, he is also responsible for the training between games. The same old shite served up week after week but he's not to blame?

A keeper that can't catch a cold and can't command his box but isn't dropped? Strikers that couldn't score in a brothel, his players, his team, he wouldn't sell two of them when he had offers. Players played constantly out of position and those that aren't performing get to stay playing week in week out.

Utter shite, this is his team and it fucking stinks.

Coyle is getting that old alehouse side Bolton playing better than us. Holloway has poor little Blackpool playing better than us. Bruce has Sunderland playing better than us. Yeah lots of managers "not" out there right now, you wouldn't want an out of work one as they are not in a job because of a reason, if they are working you look to move in pay their club off and take their asset.
Robbie Muldoon
69   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:25

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Ian Holloway
Robbie Muldoon
70   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:44

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Ian Holloway taking charge, kicking out big time charlies, injecting some passion, sending out an Everton side to win by 3 or 4 goals, and a great appreciation for this club as he surely has. I can't ever imagine a foriegn coach being succesful at Goodison, but a manager such as Holloway who has success (Blackpool to the Prem!?? How did Moyes do with Preston? Oh ye, fucked it up in the important games as usual.)

Thank you David Moyes, you have got us a squad 10 times better than when you took over, now we want a winner.
Brian Waring
71   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:29

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Paul (#68) you only see or hear BK when things are going well, when the shit hits the fan, he goes into hiding.

Imagine what BK would be like if Beckham came in January?
Gavin Ramejkis
72   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:25:41

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Robbie, got to agree, I love watching the way Blackpool play, yeah they will lose games but they wont sit back and play anti football dross and they'll beat enough teams this season to stay up, will we?
David Booth
73   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:41

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Ian Holloway... for goodness' sake.

Let's get Mike Walker as his assistant and make it truly preposterous!

Sacking Moyes is NOT the answer - and carry on driving yourselves mad with frustration all those who wish it was.

It's the players who deserve our anger and disdain. They are letting all of us down.

Some of you lot would have a new manager every time we lose a game.

We've had not just a bad day, but a bad couple of months at the office.

But things happen for a reason and I think life without Arteta for a few weeks - and Fellaini back - will do us the world of good. Perhaps Pienaar might get a pre-emptive taste of what's possibly in store for him at Tottenham (or wherever), if he gets a game or two on the bench.

Both need to be chipping in with 7/8 goals each a season. Right now they're not and that's where the shakeup ought to begin.

Their lack of positivity and creativity impacts on our (so called) strikers, who have been similarly casual and profligate so far this season.

But bellyaching about Moyes in so tiresome. Time the players stood up and were counted.
Larry Boner
74   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:31:55

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Everton have their usual half-season ticket offer... will they buy mine and my son's half season ticket back? ? because today was a real eye-opener. Inferior players coached to beat a superior set of players, by an attack-minded manager who was not afraid to take the game to the opposition, as he did at the Emirates and Anfield (where they were the better side).

A new manager required; I don't know about that, but Mr O,Neill was on £35k/wk at AV, so double your wages?

I think Everton's next manager is certain to be Phil Neville: won everything, dozens of caps and educated at the feet of a master. (Ferguson... not Mr Moyes!)

Anthony Millington
75   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:37:25

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Arteta is still a disgrace like Fellaini the other week, what a bad attitude to kick out at an opponent and let the whole team down.
Chris Smith
76   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:36:49

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Today was a very bad day and we have a relegation fight on now, at least for the time being.

I would be tempted to play Cahill up front (until he goes to the Asian Cup) and bring in Rodwell, Fellaini and Bilyaletdinov in midfield. We seem to have the worst strike force in the league and I don't know how it has come to this.

For what it's worth I think we will be OK. We will beat Wigan in two weeks and things will look better.
Leon Perrin
77   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:46:01

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Jon

Good one mate, is it just jokes or can you play the piano as well?
Paul Loins
78   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:45:16

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What is up with you all? Everyone is jumping on the "let's get rid of Moyes" bandwagon. We are down there due to not taking our chances rather than poor management!

Let's be real fans and get behind the manager who is forced to work on a shoestring!!!

David Hallwood
79   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:42:17

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I'm a season ticket holder and I've missed 3 home games this season, Man U & RS ? cos I gave me ticket to a mate that had relatives over ? and today. Too cold, had some work to do, couldn't be arsed. Fuck 'em, if they can't be bothered to turn up why should I?

I've got this picture in my mind of the Mr 10% at Moyes's door: "Come on, David, my boy Jonny is worth £65k per week, you're lucky to have such a talented player, and you're insulting him with a poxy £60k"

Moyes isn't the mug, we are for contributing to this shite. £3million a year to stroll round the pitch with an attitude ? and it isn't just Heitinga.

Andy Crooks
80   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:47:01

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Jon, can you not see that the reason things need turned round is because of David Moyes. "He has turned things round before and will do it again" is nothing to boast about it is an indictment of his management.
Gavin Ramejkis
81   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:47:48

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David Booth, you miss the point that this is DM's team and he has the ability to drop players not performing but he hasn't. Saha has been consistently shit yet gets the drop over Yakubu until today, Arteta has been shite for several games yet gets to play, Heitinga has been consistently shite in the Midfield role DM has him playing in yet it must be his fault he is out of position not Moyes'????

Jon Poole Goodison Park is like a morgue because the football on display is terrible, its supposed to be a form of entertainment yet nothing is entertaining about it. If it's all down to the players then why do the club pay DM £3.5m a year? On your logic we don't need a manager, if the failings are not down to him then surely the players can do it by themselves and turn the season around on their own.
Paul Loins
82   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:13:42

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I agree with you Jon ~85 We need to make sure Moyes won't walk so further investment, more effort from the players, and patience is needed ? otherwise we will lose him and then we will really be in the mire !!
Wayne Smyth
83   Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:56:40

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Not only that Gavin, but although DM has spent less than many of his peers he decided to spend what he did have on players completely unsuited to the position he plays them.

Heitinga is not a central midfielder and bily is not a winger and is so shot of confidence that although he cost £9m, he can't get a game. Consequentially 9 years since he took over, Moyes team STILL lacks pace, creativity and balance.

The players that do go onto the pitch look shit scared to touch the ball, and get balled at from the sidelines regarding every fucking pass they are supposed to play.
Andy Tyler
84   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:06:06

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Can anyone see Moyes changing his approach? He's too stubborn, his philosophy of sending a team out 'not to get beat' instead of 'trying to win' will always remain. It makes me laugh when the media constantly link him with the Utd job when Taggart leaves.

I posted after the Wolves game that we have been found out. Get men behind the ball and we are clueless. Moyes has built a team with no pace, no movement, we move the ball slowly and have no cutting edge. If you stand still you go backwards and that's what's happened to us since the 2009 FA Cup Final.

The league is no longer full of cautious managers, Hughton, Holloway, De Matteo and Coyle have shown if you go out and attack teams you'll get results.

Moyes is responsible for the squad and it's a travesity that we still have no natural right winger. Then when Coleman comes in and plays well he drops him. It would be nice to see Gueye given a game , someone with pace and who is direct, but I doubt that will happen.

Paul Loins
85   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:19:28

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Wayne ~85 ? They are professional players and we are only aking for commitment when they are on the pitch. Johnny and Billy for me have let down the manager who put his neck on the line to buy them. Shame on these players and others who lack commitment.

ps: Well done today to Distin and Cahill who showed the rest up !!!

Wayne Smyth
86   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:19:21

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Jon, I dont think its down to how much money he's given. Yes he has a raw deal compared to many managers in the league, but tell me how much the WBA team that took us apart today cost?

Its not like Moyes was unaware of what he had to work with either. From what I recall, he was happy this year that he would try to grab a couple of free's so long as he could keep the rest of his squad together.

Last season, he had £22m+ of the Lescott money which he spent on a central midfielder with no pace, and two central defenders, when we have been crying out for a wide player with pace since Kanchelskis left!

I think when you get to this level of football(i.e. professional quality in the top few leagues), the outcome of a match rides mostly on desire, confidence and other things that a professional coach should be able to instil.

Money tends to buy you that bit of skill or magic, but if the players are not going to give 100% because they can't be arsed or because you don't play them where they are most effective and screw their confidence, then your £9m superstar is going to get the run-around by someone costing one tenth of that.
Wayne Smyth
87   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:33:54

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Paul, I agree neither Heitinga or Bily look like they are arsed when they go out on the pitch, but if you bought Messi and played him at left back for 3 months I think you could forgive him if he started to look disinterested.

You could especially forgive him when the crowd get on his back for the 3rd week in a row because some 6ft 1 striker beats him at the back post and he is "at fault" for letting in that goal, in the same way that heitinga is at fault for misplacing a pass or being out of place, or bily is at fault for not doing their right back for pace down the wing.

Remember Heitinga as a ball playing centre back? Fantastic. Remember Bily when he had confidence and got in and around the box playing quick one-twos and using that fantastic left foot to crack them in? Not going to do that out wide, 60 yards from goal.

Ultimately having bought these players, the manager is responsible for keeping them happy getting them confident and managing them so that they do feel they want to go out there and give 100%. I thought that is why we are paying a professional coach £3.5m per year? If its all the players fault I'll pick the team and pick up half of what Moyes is on, and save the club a tidy packet.

The fact we have so many players bought by Moyes such as Arteta, Jags, Neville, Bily, Heitinga, Yak, Saha, Beckford who are playing shit because they can't be arsed or are shot of confidence has got to be down to the manager, his coaching methods, his selection/formation. They are all his signings.
Leon Perrin
88   Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:37:59

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Thing is you'd have to be blind not to see the players are'nt happy; ergo, not arsed, AND its been the same since the season started.

But can you blame them?

Moyes has the demeanour of the dads army undertaker Private Frazer, "we're doomed, we're doomed", walking around with a face like a smacked arse.
It might wash with "hoof it high" defenders and your less creative player but look at his record with strikers, they start well then wither under the mule like work load and lack of support, dismal.
But its almost pointless debating it he's a busted flush and every additional day is causing more problems.
Paul Gallagher
89   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:15:08

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How come Moyes thinks Rodwell is not ready to start a game because he has been out injured ? especially when we're struggling like mad in centre midfield...??? But Anichebe is fit enough to start after months out and one reserve game behind him? Baffling.
Paul Loins
90   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:27:16

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I don't understand all the negativity! We have been through worse times with poorer squads. All teams are taking points off each other and we are only six points off Europe!

Stop panicking like a wartime home guard and get behind the team. I am still going home and away and giving positive support. Could all other true blues do likewise please! In Moyes We Trust ...

Gavin Ramejkis
91   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:34:11

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Paul are you Kenwrong or Doddy in disguise?
Paul Loins
92   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:37:12

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No, just worried changing the manager will unsettle everything in the club and we will suffer. We can get over this blip.
Kunal Desai
93   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:59:50

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Paul can you not see a worrying pattern developing - we've only won 3 games all season and only 2 goals scored by our piss poor striker force. Players are not playing for Moyes you can see it in the players body language and their attitude, the next couple of months are looking ominous for us. You need to face up to reality mate.
Robbie Muldoon
94   Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:51:53

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Scanning some of the comments on here, some of my fellow blues are really barking up the wrong tree.

Who is playing CENTRAL DEFENDER Johnny H out of position in CENTRE MID? Moyes is. Who is leaving RODWELL to twiddle his toes on the bench? MOYES is.

Would you prefer RODWELL to start over HEITENGA? Well, unless you smear shit all over your bedroom walls, then of course you would prefer the young Rolls Royce Rodwell! But MOYES doesn't - WHY!?

So instead of slating JH (yes he has been disgraceful) point the finger at the MAD MAN who pencils him EVERY match. The only reason I can see why this happens is this... Moyes captured a big name player on big name wages who he probably had to beg for... he is too stubborn to leave him out the team because that is like admitting he has made an expensive mistake, is STUBBORN a trait linked with Moyes?

I think playing with 1 upfront at home is giving us problems... but I think playing with the holding midfielder infront of the defence (Heitenga) is now a fucking NEGATIVE, OVER CAUTIOUS, WASTE when we have attacking quality sat on the bench.

This squad is good, they have good character, and plenty of ability but I don't think Moyes is getting the best out of them. In fact I would say Moyes is actually a hinderance tactically and perhaps psychologically as he barks his orders from the sideline like a PE teacher!

I would add 4-1 at home to West Brom to the lenghty list of EMBARRASSING results we have had under Moyes, a list to be ashamed of. Unfortuantley for all of us there isn't a list of memorable victories to balance it out - just a couple of derby wins, a cup final defeat and 4th place finish in 9 years.
Martin Berry
95   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:02:41

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Moyes was the Manager of the month for October so can't be that shite. Today was bad and there's no getting away from that but for fucks sake let's not get carried away. We should have won Monday but the luck's not with us at the moment. On another day Beckford would have taken his chances and we'd be 4 points or more better off today. Arteta ban could be a blessing in disguise. He's been anonymous for a while but with Screech coming back hopefully things will change.
Robbie Muldoon
96   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:23:39

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Martin Berry... let's look at the 'Manager of the Month' Award. What do you have to do to win it? What is the criteria?

Because if you base the merit of the award on the actions of the individual, the manager, then I would be inclined to include factors such as charity work undertaken by the manager that month, or public statement which attractyed widespread approval and support (re Holloway on Rooney saga).

However, it seems (and as you are inferring) that the merits of the manager are calculated by the results of the team during that particular month. So we judge a manager by his results. A month of good results was desperately needed after the worst ever start to a Prem League campaign by us EVER.

The upturn in results, in my opinion is completely negated by a result like this today, and the last match, and the one before that.

So do me a favour and take that Manager of the Month award and stick it up Moyes' arse, coz it aint worth shit.

PS, the wikipedia site on David Moyes actually lists his number of manager of the onth awards... BUT ZERO TROPHIES. It is embarrassing.
Liam Reilly
97   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:31:53

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I cannot fucking believe there are Beckford apologists on this thread. He's paid 15 grand a week, that's not to get into positions but to fucking score from the. He's fucking shite.

Fuck me, a January without Cahill will leave this side firmly in the shit.
Leon Perrin
98   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:46:04

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Manager of the Month? don't you get that for being pals with fergie, should be renamed bellend of the month
Gavin Ramejkis
99   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:47:27

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Robbie, an interesting point about this manager of the month guff, anyone have the stats on how many of these things Taggart, Whinger and the various Chelski managers have?
Jimmy Hacking
100   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:49:04

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Lee Scully (#19) Steve Bruce?!?!!!?!!?!!?! things arent THAT bad yet surely...

I agree with Liam (#97) as well. Beckford has had his chance. this isn't some Hollywood film about a struggle over adversity, it is the ruthless business of the English Premier league. how many sitters had that lad missed now? get rid of all three strikers in january, replace thwm with ANYONE, Marlon Harewood, Carlton Cole, Francis Jeffers, Robbie Fowler I dont care, what do we have to lose? literally ANY STRIKER would be better than the three we have. they might even score.
Jon Cox
101   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:38:12

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Andrew (49) If I could wish for santa to bring me a Chrimbo prezzy it would be your post. I'm also seeing the word STALE in a lot of posts. I didn't 3 months ago when I first used it.

I love Moyes as a upstanding bloke, But he needs to sort it in a twilight zone sort of way and pretty soon. If not a fan baste (cooking) revoloution will rule the day.

COYB
Martin Faulkner
102   Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:56:13

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Leon Perrin
Can I have some of what you've been smokin?
Andy Crooks
103   Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:40:09

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Like it or not David Moyes is going nowhere. So what next. On Michael's report I feel that Andy Paolicci made a fine point. Beckford missed three sitters today but he found space. He will score for us, of that I have no doubt.

I suggest we forget the cumbersome Yak or Saha and start with Cahill and Beckford. Movement, pace and arrogance. Just what we need.

I called recently for 4-4-2 leaving out Tim Cahill. I am happy to admit that was a shite call. Cahill has been superb. Start him with Beckford.

Robert Daniels
104   Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:26:20

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Fucking hell, lads... It's everyones fault, isn't it?

Moyes bought the players;

Moyes plays them fucking anywhere;

Moyes picks the team;

Moyes dropped Coleman;

Moyes thinks there's no place for Rodwell;

Moyes thinks you can't drop Arteta, or Johnny;

Moyes thinks we don't need pace in the team;

Moyes doesn't know his best eleven;

Moyes doesn't know when to change a game;

Moyes has a secret weapon? ? but won't play him;

Moyes must have forgotten the secret weapon's name;

Moyes played Arteta, and Heitinga in midfield again today, and must know they are shite together;

Moyes is a fucking idiot!

Bring Howard Kendall and Colin Harvey back and we will finnish in the top six and next season, anything is possible!

Moyes is past his sell-by date.

Kenwright ? you're next!
Robbie Muldoon
105   Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:45:31

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I agree that Cahill should be pushed right upfront, like he was last season when we had no strikers, he did brilliantly.

Then drop Heitenga, or put him in defence. Play with Rodwell and Fellaini in the centre with Rodwell making the play and getting into and around the box as Fellaini battles away winning the ball back as he was doing excellently last season (a la piroutte against Bellamy).

Pienarr an the left and Coleman on the right.

There you go, where is my 65 grand?
Martin Faulkner
106   Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:51:49

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Weren't we supposed to have got the jump on several top clubs in the signing of a young top french prospect in the summer? I'll bet Gueye is fucking kicking himself now.
Kieran Kinsella
107   Posted 28/11/2010 at 01:35:05

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This is the first year that I have reached the point of not giving a crap about it any more.
Martin Mason
108   Posted 28/11/2010 at 04:03:10

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Very difficult to be positive about anything today but one thing for sure is that the buck stops at David Moyes's desk. I believe that our squad is good enough for our results to be a lot better. I also believe that it's negative tactics rather than players, even our forwards, that is the problem.
Christine Foster
109   Posted 28/11/2010 at 06:03:58

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Watching this at 3am in the morning takes it out of you; I slept badly on it and struggle to understand any obvious reasons for the performance.

Everyone is calling for Moyes's head, and whilst I have struggles to find many positives in his decision-making this season, I have to admit yesterday I felt he actually was listening to fans' concerns, giving a relatively positive line-up, making a double sub almost immediately after half-time (I can't remember when Moyes last did this). But the reality is that, although we have seen this team work well, the occasions it happens are fewer and the gaps longer. In-between, it's disjointed, leaderless and sadly mistake-ridden.

I mentioned on recent posts that the squad needed rebuilding as I felt the current squad reached its peak last year. Too many aren't getting to individual peaks this year, leaving team performances frustratingly bad.

Truth is a bitter pill, but fresh blood is needed in every area: defence, midfield and attack. The gamble of a lack of investment last summer by BK has rebounded badly on Moyes.

After such a humiliation, Moyes has to considering his future, but he shouldn't. I reiterate what I have said a few weeks ago: losing Moyes right now would be a calamity for the club. We are between a rock and a hard place but I would back him to survive in the Premier League.

Maybe next summer is the time for reflection but there is now a job to do, a turnaround job is required and fresh blood and painful calls required. Right now, changing Moyes for whoever will mean a real fight on our hands to stay in the PL.

The board has hoped that Moyes could pull out another rabbit this season, but the hat is bare. Graft is required. A bit of grit, leadership and support.

As Moyes rightly takes the flak, remember the guys who basked in his glory. He needs to accept the brick bats in a big way.

Sitting here watching the test in the Gabba ? barmy army rules...
Terry McLavey
110   Posted 28/11/2010 at 11:57:17

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Charlie (#63), your comment caused me to laugh out loud, unlike watching Match of the Day, how ironic we wern't on last so people might have switched off and spared us public humiliation!

Beckham... why not? We had Gazza, Sparky, Ginola ? all past their sell-by date and on more money than we'll ever see!

WBA looked like the home side, they ran us ragged... is O'Neill still available?!

John Andrews
111   Posted 28/11/2010 at 19:46:51

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I really don`t know where to start. All-in-all, it was an absolute bloody shambles. I am sick of Moyes and the selection of his team. It must be time for him to go now?
Ben Lawrenson
112   Posted 28/11/2010 at 20:25:50

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One decent home performance all season!! We didn't even deserve to win the Stoke game. The last three home games have been atrocious.

Goodison has been flat from kick off for all games since the derby. I dread going to home matches, yesterday was the worst home performance in living memory. At least when we were thrashed by Arsenal last season we played a good team.

I remember Moyes once saying he wants to go before he's hounded out of the club... I think that time is now; it's time for a change.

Paul Loins
113   Posted 28/11/2010 at 21:02:33

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Please... give him more time, his record deserves at least till the end of the season then mid-table and good cup run will change your minds. He is a good manager who can make things work again...
Jamie Crowley
114   Posted 29/11/2010 at 03:19:54

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Paul ? Your comments are admirable as you show great loyalty to a manager that has done great things for the Club. But he's clearly lost the plot:

Heitinga out of position and playing horribly;
Rodwell benched, but substituted on the wing;
Arteta ineffective, but remains in the line-up;
Coleman a true bright spot, yet dropped;
Saha always absent, yet starts;
Bily out of position continually, now a head case;
Gueye ? where is he?
Go back a month or so and you have Osman starting out wide ? where he's basically ineffectual;
Beckford back a few months ago blooded up top with no support playing alone;
Howard ? and this kills me as an American ? never once sat despite some horrible play in goal... etc, etc, etc.

When you're continually making horrible decisions as to whom plays and, more importantly, in what position, then you're to blame. No vision, no adventure, no results.

At home, against West fucking Brom, and we go with ONE up top and bench our only speed on the wings in Coleman, and inexpicably play Heitinga in a position he's been absolutley horrific in while benching Rodwell?

At some point, you've got to drop this blind allegiance because Moyes is the problem.

I like the Moyes immensely. But how long does it possibly take for him to shake up the line-up and stop running out players out of position ? it's NOT WORKING!

If he'd just say "fuck it" and go for it once. Christ go 4-3-3 with 3-4 youngsters. If we lost I'd be 10 times happier because we would have at least thrown caution to the wind and went for it!

It's not overreacting, Paul, if you're pissed off watching a mule try the same failing thing time and time again!

And, for God's sakes, aim higher! Mid-table and a good Cup run! FFS man, we've missed a GLORIOUS opportunity to push into the top 4! We've pissed one away, and a mid-table finish will change our minds?

Seriously! Disgusting man, just disgusting.

Nothing personal ? but your compass needs adjusting.

Andy Hunt
115   Posted 29/11/2010 at 15:02:20

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I have huge respect for DM for the stability he has brought to our club and the incredible improvements he has made to the squad with limited resources.

But like others here I think the end of the line is near. He has always been frustrating in his defensive tactics and a little lightweight when it comes to tactical nous - can't remember too many times when he has switched things around to turn a loss into a result.

Recent performances have really highlighted these shortcomings - we have dominated too many games without making a breakthrough, and it's sickening to see decent or promising strikers left on the bench until 10 minutes from the end, while Saha looks totally ineffective 99% of the time.

I don't know if Moyes should get the boot but only because I don't know who else we could get to take us forward. But one things for sure... Unless there are some fundamental changes to his approach, things ain't improving anytime soon.
Nick West
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Some of you guys should chill out. We're not going to get a better manager than Moyes. Let's not forget he's vastly improved the club and the playing staff. Remember where we were - Pembridge, aged Ginola/Gascoigne, etc. If we win three in a row we'll be right back up there. It's disappointing to see Beckford miss such gilt-edged chances, but as has been pointed out, at least he made chances. He may yet blossom. Lots of players take time to adjust to a new club/situation.

Sure, we all had high expectations this year, but let's not fall into the grass is always greener syndrome. Cos it ain't.

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