Without Phil Neville, David Moyes left Irish starlet Seamus Coleman on the bench and brought in the experienced Tony Hibbert at right-back as he stuck Victor Anichebe back in the first team. Phil Neville was presumably injured while the poor Louis Saha was dropped in favour of Yakubu.
An early free-kick was delivered in superbly by Baines but Distin could not reach it. Anichebe was in action too down the right. Pienaar did well to feed Cahill who decided he would be a striker today and had a poke but showed just why Everton don't shoot from distance. Hopeless. Anichebe had a better poke from wide that Carson had to save well as Everton looked to take full control of the game after dominating the first exchanges.
But of course that led to a period of more sustained possession for West Brom, although they could provide little penetration as Everton kept swinging the ball up the right to Anichebe. But it was West Brom who won the first corner, and a fantastic bullet header from Paul Scharner was poweered into the back of the net despite a hand from Howard, with Cahill nowhere to be seen.
Anichebe won a rather soft free-kick right on the edge of the area but Baines's curler was far too high as Arteta stood back and looked on. Cahill won another kick a little further out; this time, Arteta on que failed to beat the lone first defender. Heitinga needlessly passed straight to a West Brom player in the Everton half, allowing them to develop their second attack and a strike that screwed wide of goal.
Lee Mason was being very generous to Everton with marginal decisions, this time Yakubu going over very easily inside the Dee. Arteta did a lot better this time, forcing the save form Carson. Cahill then gave away a dangerous free-kick at the other end that Brunt stroked superbly over the four-man wall and into the top corner, just an inch inside the post, with Howard close to it but unable to keep it out. 0-2!!! Oh dear...
The Everton crowd now became frustrated and super critical of poor player decisions, Pienaar's pass back to a marked player who lost possession drawing howls of derision. But Mason gave them another soft kick and Brunt got booked for kicking the ball away. Everton's problems were underlined with a pathetic shot from Pienaar that dribbled well wide of the Park End goal, followed by Yakubu misplacing a simple pass from a throw-in.
Carson cleared straight to Cahill but Yakubu was clearly offside for the return ball as Everton struggled to get anything going. Pienaar looked to have stopped a cross with his arm but not for the first time, Lee Mason looked kindly on the Blues, although it actually was off his chest.
Everton won their first corner in the 42nd minute, and a beautiful outswinger delivered from Baines was met perfectly by Cahill and powered in to the far side of the goal, a superb header to put the Blues back in it. Much better football followed from Everton, winning Everton's second corner, clipped in well with real power by Baines... but incredibly no-one could convert it, Heitinga the closest at the far post.
Second half, and no need for Moyes to make any changes after that rousing Cahill strike, although Anichebe had switched to the left side, but the Baggies were not for giving up the fight easily, pressuring Everton all over the field, and making the Blues work for any meaningful possession. And when they got it, Anichebe's cross was poor.
With nothing happening for the Blues after 6 or 7 minutes of the second half, Moyes descided to make what was a for him an early and significant double change... but not completing it until West Brom had another worrying attack. Beckford on for Heitinga; Saha on for Yakubu at 56 mins!
Beckford got his chance early but Carsdon got a good piece of it, Brunt clearing it off the line, then Jara elbowed Baines in the face ? no free-kick, then Jara leapt in on Arteta for a clear red card that incensed Arteta, who stampled on his leg, and the Everton players and crowd went nuts... But Jara, the cause of all the mayhem, got off scott free, while Areta walked for his reltaliaton.
So... a goal down, now a man down... Goodison not exactly a morgue this week! Moyes then switched Rodwell on for the tiring Anichebe on the hour. Beckford took a shot too early and screwed it weakly well wide. Rodwell did well down the right and then Cahill had a pop from distance but the chances were hard to create. Pienaar pushed through a good ground ball for Beckford, just fractionally overhit, but Carson was out fast. West Brom counter-attacked with pace to keep Everton's 10 men on their toes as Di Matteo began his substitutuions to disrupt the flow as much as anything else.
West Brom had a very strong spell as they took full advantage of the extra man; Dorrans went in the book for a tackle from behind on Pienaar. Everton worked the ball forward, Hibbert over everyone to Beckford who, with the goal gaping, wellied it horribly into the top tier of the Gwladys Street. League 1 striking skills sadly in full evidence from the ex-glass-fitter.
Cahill, playing deper, tried the same Route One to Saha but nothing came of it, while at the other end, substitute Tchoi ran in easily on Hibbert, backing off, and he clipped in an excellent shot high to the far side of the goal that Howard was nowhere near close to saving. 1-3 and the fightback now surely over, with 15 frustrating minutes left.
Tchoi was dancing past Hibbert at will down the Everton right and creating havoc, Everton totally defeated, unable to do anything with the ball. Mullumbu should have been booked for a foul from behind on Pienaar. From the free-kick, the ball hit Jara's arm, but howls for a penalty were ignored by referee Mason.
Mullumbu was the next to rub salt in as, in yet another stinging attack down the Everton right, Tcjhoi waltzed inside of Hibbert to set up Mullumbo for West Brom's fourth. Mullumbo was yellow carded for his clebration, and them given a second yellow when he clipped Pienaar's heel... Red card.
Beckford squandered yet another guilt-edged chance, hooking over with only the keeper to beat, and summing up a dreadful say for him and the Blues.
An astounding confounding game of football that everyone expected Everton to dominate after a good opening, but little went right for the Blues today, while everything clicked for West Brom. Things could have been very different if Jara had been correctly penalized and dismissed for (a) elbowing Baines and then (b) diving in on Arteta. But instead, Arteta got the red card at a critical point in the game.
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1 Posted 27/11/2010 at 16:58:42
Surely, there are few Evertonians who can believe that David Moyes is fit to run the club? Today has been coming and was needed. We have a reasonable squad and an inept, tired. over-rated, bewildered, over-paid coach.
If David Moyes has any pride or integrity, he will follow the decent example of Gordon Strachan. I fear, however, that this will be a painful lingering death. We are in serious trouble.
2 Posted 27/11/2010 at 16:59:20
3 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:03:12
4 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:02:19
5 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:07:12
6 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:18:07
7 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:07:58
Yes, he didn't take his chances today, but the lad continually gets into the right positions and I don't care what anyone says, but eventually, those chances will be thundered into the back of the net.
Yakubu & Saha repeatedly give fuck all & today's example of their lazy movement gives full credence to that.
If I was Moyes, I would drop both Yakubu & Saha, & instead would start Beckford for the next game. Yes, that's right. I'd start him. Beckford's a confidence player & right now, he'd be feeling every bit of shit. He did everything right today except score; & being that the lad is quite young, you must show faith in these type of players.
Get Beckford starting alongside Cahill. Put Fellaini back into the starting 11 asap now that Arteta will serve his suspension and hope to fuck we can get three points from our next game. COYB!
8 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:11:23
Something is not right. Somethings not working. Is it a changing room problem. Is it a tactical problem.
Or, is it that everything about our team manager boardroom is,
9 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:17:29
10 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:12:20
Without Neville we are leaderless on the pitch.
The defence was clueless and the midfield missing yet again, WBA took a while to get into the game, but when they did they picked us off at ease, they gave us an abject lesson in how to play the long ball.
The game was over at 2-0. Artetas sending off which he deserved by the way for stamping only served to paper over the cracks.
11 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:23:46
12 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:13:27
Even before we went behind, big Vic stood out today in his first game back after a long layout. Coleman stands out when he plays, as does Pienaar. All players with something to prove. Cahill always gives 100%, but that is just his nature. They dont all stand out with their quality, but they do all at least have a go.
I'm actually glad we lost 4-1 rather than 2-1, I'm just sad that Arteta got sent off because the sending off could obscure the real reasons behind the result.
The players need a kick up the arse, the manager needs to be slapped around until he comes to his senses and realises that to win a game you must attack and have balance to your team, and this does not mean playing half your team out of their natural positions.
Its a sad indictment of Moyes time at everton that 9 years on, we still do not have natural left and right wingers, and he doesn't appear happy unless he can somehow get a central defender into midfield.
Its a real pity because other than these few flaws, Moyes has been great for us bringing the club from the brink of relegation scraps season after season into being a regular mid-table team. However I honestly do think it is time for the club to part company with him.
13 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:24:38
Poor all round today, Moyes now has a serious job on his hands. At no point this season have I felt we have a confidence problem. We do now. We were out-fought and looked physically weaker.
14 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:30:37
15 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:25:42
16 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:26:16
17 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:32:46
18 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:21
19 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:30
Any of the above would be an improvement.
20 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:29:25
Hibbert proved once and for all that he is not a good defender and is shit going forward.
21 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:33:32
22 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:36:13
Arteta is a disgrace too. £75k a week for that - fuck off.
I have been an "apologist" for too long. So I'd like to say sorry to everyone else who saw the light before I did.
23 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:46:25
24 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:42:47
25 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:41:04
If you were Moyes, and lets imagine that you knew the club were going to be relegated, it would probably be better to walk before that became reality and have that as a stain on your CV.
Currently he's probably viewed as a very good coach who is having a bad season. So he could probably get another prem job very easily. However, if he were to spend the rest of the season with us getting drubbed at home by the likes of WBA and the players clearly not playing for him, his future earning potential would be badly damaged I reckon.
26 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:42:27
Also, why on earth do we have the usual "who will replace him?" crap? Look at the league table, consider his ridiculous salary , is this the best £3.5 million a year can buy? I think we need only fear the future if he stays. The Moyes , Kenwright double act are well on the way to destroying the club.
27 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:48:23
28 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:49:00
29 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:49:26
He could be here for the next 10 years earning his £75k a - week, if he wanted too.
30 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:48:23
31 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:43:08
I always thought Moyes would get better and learn and develop as a manager. Its been 8 seasons now.
My mindset has finally changed. And its time for change at Everton!! Im not gonna slag the man off though cause he was excellent for the first 5 seasons when there wasnt a pot to piss in.
32 Posted 27/11/2010 at 17:50:13
33 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:15
34 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:08:59
35 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:05:02
Now Rodwell might get a game before we sell him to fund Moyes wages.
36 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:09:29
Things are not great but, with no money to improve the squad, it was inevitable that we would struggle at some point. The season might be finished as far as Europe is concerned, although looking at the table it is still wide open.
37 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:17:45
38 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:15
39 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:25:42
40 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:01:25
Dont give up just yet, other teams got walloped as well, the EPL is crap as West Ham's sacked No 2 said.
Yes, we were shite, but so were others. This is where we are, this is the lower reaches of the EPL. They smell roses while you sweep up after them.
Our players just aren't good enough, so let's stop kidding ourselves. We will avoid relegation, and that will do. No dosh, no movement, no bloody silverware... Well, at least we might win the Ashes???!!!
41 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:28:17
42 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:29:44
Johnny Heitinga how bad in midfield is he and still gets a start every week.
The lack of movement is unbelievable in the team and now questions must be asked about the manager.
43 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:35:29
44 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:31:27
Stop hairy palms, sight problems and board stiff bed sheets being associated with EFC.
T shirts emblazoned "Moyes is a hornwangler" must be worn for the next home game.
45 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:39:07
I'm fed up hearing better the devil you know bollocks, who else but BK, I'd take anyone with an ounce of business savvy, and who else but Moyes, well I'd also take anyone who can get a team to play bleeding football ? remember that thing? Your team pass a ball about, entertain the fans, score goals, win games? The shite on offer this season is anti-football and Moyes may as well be the new Gordon Lee.
46 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:42:59
What is it about Everton fans and their lack of an ability to complain? We just don't seem able to do it!
47 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:40:27
Teams like Blackpool, WBA and Bolton all have no money but can still manage to play attacking football... No movement. No passion. No ideas. No excuses.
48 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:41:42
49 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:35:16
Moyes has coached all of the movement out of our players in the name of 'keeping our shape', apart from Pienaar who moves plenty to receive the ball before immediately losing it and will soon be off anyway. Please, please Moyes ? it's not working, you're not working. Please go and do what Walter did for you, give Owen Coyle a call on your way out of the door.
One last thing: we need to fine Arteta the maximum number of weeks wages following his red card, if only as a refund given the form he has shown since signing his contract. Either that or he needs to be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act for touting himself as the best little Spaniard we knew before signing.
50 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:50:58
51 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:53:15
52 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:45:34
Christ, wasn't it West Brom who put four past us a few years back around the same miserable time of the year in the midst of another of his spectacular harrowings of the basement? So much for goddam eschatology...
53 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:05:41
"Hornwangler. To indulge in the practice of lairdforcening"
Get one 2 sizes bigger, put it over your Kagool!!!
54 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:17:21
55 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:03:37
We should also have Rodwell and Fellaini in the middle. Arteta is either injured or shit, as well as now banned, and Heitinga is not a midfielder ? end of.
Coleman on the right and Pienaar on the left. Maybe give Mucha a go while we are at it. The defence will concentrate more as they will feel he will need that bit more protection til he settles in.
56 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:24:58
57 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:36:17
58 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:33:32
59 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:33:34
Today's 'performance' is just another crap display to go with so many others when Moyes decides to write his 'memoirs'. This will definitely be Moyes's last season, one way or the other, and I think that most of this crowd of players will all decide to go their own way after this season ? most of them only signed new contracts because they thought something good was on the cards. They were mistaken and so were we.
He just hasn't got a clue about how the fans feel, and neither the Echo nor the Radio Merseyside phone-ins will reflect the views of the fans on the matter.
60 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:43:16
There is no-one out there who is (a) available (b) an improvement on what we've got (c) would come to Everton. I can think of nobody. Can you come up with owt better?
61 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:25:09
62 Posted 27/11/2010 at 18:46:32
What galls most is the undisciplined defence and goalkeeping misjudgments courtesy of Tim Howard. I think we need to revert back to basics and get that sorted before the rest is arrested.
63 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:52:56
64 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:36:46
He lays low when the going gets tough and comes out in the sunlight only when we do well.
65 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:44:22
Any Norwegian derived from the "Clan Schitten Reddisk" are deemed expert. Hope that helps...
66 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:10:52
Johnny Heitinga should have been playing that role, you could see within 5 minutes, the big hole in front of centre-halves. If i could see it, Moyes should be seeing it.
Even the Big Fella, who is looking classy, drifts when playing that role and has not got the speed to get back, which puts pressure on Jags and Distin. Martin O'Niell with John Carew for a Plan B.
67 Posted 27/11/2010 at 19:41:17
...but as always, after I've calmed down a bit, I come to the conclusion yet again that Moyes has been totally and utterly hamstrung by Kenwright's inability to provide a transfer kitty, and what exactly is he supposed to do about that?
Coyle, Di Matteo, Mike Walker, Mourinho, whoever we get in is going to stagnate if there is no money coming from the boardroom, success in the Premier League is impossible, impossible do y'hear, with a sell-to-buy policy.
Taxi for the board. Not Moyes... not even after today.
68 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:06:16
A keeper that can't catch a cold and can't command his box but isn't dropped? Strikers that couldn't score in a brothel, his players, his team, he wouldn't sell two of them when he had offers. Players played constantly out of position and those that aren't performing get to stay playing week in week out.
Utter shite, this is his team and it fucking stinks.
Coyle is getting that old alehouse side Bolton playing better than us. Holloway has poor little Blackpool playing better than us. Bruce has Sunderland playing better than us. Yeah lots of managers "not" out there right now, you wouldn't want an out of work one as they are not in a job because of a reason, if they are working you look to move in pay their club off and take their asset.
69 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:25
70 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:44
Thank you David Moyes, you have got us a squad 10 times better than when you took over, now we want a winner.
71 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:29
Imagine what BK would be like if Beckham came in January?
72 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:25:41
73 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:21:41
Let's get Mike Walker as his assistant and make it truly preposterous!
Sacking Moyes is NOT the answer - and carry on driving yourselves mad with frustration all those who wish it was.
It's the players who deserve our anger and disdain. They are letting all of us down.
Some of you lot would have a new manager every time we lose a game.
We've had not just a bad day, but a bad couple of months at the office.
But things happen for a reason and I think life without Arteta for a few weeks - and Fellaini back - will do us the world of good. Perhaps Pienaar might get a pre-emptive taste of what's possibly in store for him at Tottenham (or wherever), if he gets a game or two on the bench.
Both need to be chipping in with 7/8 goals each a season. Right now they're not and that's where the shakeup ought to begin.
Their lack of positivity and creativity impacts on our (so called) strikers, who have been similarly casual and profligate so far this season.
But bellyaching about Moyes in so tiresome. Time the players stood up and were counted.
74 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:31:55
A new manager required; I don't know about that, but Mr O,Neill was on £35k/wk at AV, so double your wages?
I think Everton's next manager is certain to be Phil Neville: won everything, dozens of caps and educated at the feet of a master. (Ferguson... not Mr Moyes!)
75 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:37:25
76 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:36:49
I would be tempted to play Cahill up front (until he goes to the Asian Cup) and bring in Rodwell, Fellaini and Bilyaletdinov in midfield. We seem to have the worst strike force in the league and I don't know how it has come to this.
For what it's worth I think we will be OK. We will beat Wigan in two weeks and things will look better.
77 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:46:01
Good one mate, is it just jokes or can you play the piano as well?
78 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:45:16
Let's be real fans and get behind the manager who is forced to work on a shoestring!!!
79 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:42:17
I've got this picture in my mind of the Mr 10% at Moyes's door: "Come on, David, my boy Jonny is worth £65k per week, you're lucky to have such a talented player, and you're insulting him with a poxy £60k"
Moyes isn't the mug, we are for contributing to this shite. £3million a year to stroll round the pitch with an attitude ? and it isn't just Heitinga.
80 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:47:01
81 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:47:48
Jon Poole Goodison Park is like a morgue because the football on display is terrible, its supposed to be a form of entertainment yet nothing is entertaining about it. If it's all down to the players then why do the club pay DM £3.5m a year? On your logic we don't need a manager, if the failings are not down to him then surely the players can do it by themselves and turn the season around on their own.
82 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:13:42
83 Posted 27/11/2010 at 20:56:40
Heitinga is not a central midfielder and bily is not a winger and is so shot of confidence that although he cost £9m, he can't get a game. Consequentially 9 years since he took over, Moyes team STILL lacks pace, creativity and balance.
The players that do go onto the pitch look shit scared to touch the ball, and get balled at from the sidelines regarding every fucking pass they are supposed to play.
84 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:06:06
I posted after the Wolves game that we have been found out. Get men behind the ball and we are clueless. Moyes has built a team with no pace, no movement, we move the ball slowly and have no cutting edge. If you stand still you go backwards and that's what's happened to us since the 2009 FA Cup Final.
The league is no longer full of cautious managers, Hughton, Holloway, De Matteo and Coyle have shown if you go out and attack teams you'll get results.
Moyes is responsible for the squad and it's a travesity that we still have no natural right winger. Then when Coleman comes in and plays well he drops him. It would be nice to see Gueye given a game , someone with pace and who is direct, but I doubt that will happen.
85 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:19:28
ps: Well done today to Distin and Cahill who showed the rest up !!!
86 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:19:21
Its not like Moyes was unaware of what he had to work with either. From what I recall, he was happy this year that he would try to grab a couple of free's so long as he could keep the rest of his squad together.
Last season, he had £22m+ of the Lescott money which he spent on a central midfielder with no pace, and two central defenders, when we have been crying out for a wide player with pace since Kanchelskis left!
I think when you get to this level of football(i.e. professional quality in the top few leagues), the outcome of a match rides mostly on desire, confidence and other things that a professional coach should be able to instil.
Money tends to buy you that bit of skill or magic, but if the players are not going to give 100% because they can't be arsed or because you don't play them where they are most effective and screw their confidence, then your £9m superstar is going to get the run-around by someone costing one tenth of that.
87 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:33:54
You could especially forgive him when the crowd get on his back for the 3rd week in a row because some 6ft 1 striker beats him at the back post and he is "at fault" for letting in that goal, in the same way that heitinga is at fault for misplacing a pass or being out of place, or bily is at fault for not doing their right back for pace down the wing.
Remember Heitinga as a ball playing centre back? Fantastic. Remember Bily when he had confidence and got in and around the box playing quick one-twos and using that fantastic left foot to crack them in? Not going to do that out wide, 60 yards from goal.
Ultimately having bought these players, the manager is responsible for keeping them happy getting them confident and managing them so that they do feel they want to go out there and give 100%. I thought that is why we are paying a professional coach £3.5m per year? If its all the players fault I'll pick the team and pick up half of what Moyes is on, and save the club a tidy packet.
The fact we have so many players bought by Moyes such as Arteta, Jags, Neville, Bily, Heitinga, Yak, Saha, Beckford who are playing shit because they can't be arsed or are shot of confidence has got to be down to the manager, his coaching methods, his selection/formation. They are all his signings.
88 Posted 27/11/2010 at 21:37:59
But can you blame them?
Moyes has the demeanour of the dads army undertaker Private Frazer, "we're doomed, we're doomed", walking around with a face like a smacked arse.
It might wash with "hoof it high" defenders and your less creative player but look at his record with strikers, they start well then wither under the mule like work load and lack of support, dismal.
But its almost pointless debating it he's a busted flush and every additional day is causing more problems.
89 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:15:08
90 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:27:16
Stop panicking like a wartime home guard and get behind the team. I am still going home and away and giving positive support. Could all other true blues do likewise please! In Moyes We Trust ...
91 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:34:11
92 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:37:12
93 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:59:50
94 Posted 27/11/2010 at 22:51:53
Who is playing CENTRAL DEFENDER Johnny H out of position in CENTRE MID? Moyes is. Who is leaving RODWELL to twiddle his toes on the bench? MOYES is.
Would you prefer RODWELL to start over HEITENGA? Well, unless you smear shit all over your bedroom walls, then of course you would prefer the young Rolls Royce Rodwell! But MOYES doesn't - WHY!?
So instead of slating JH (yes he has been disgraceful) point the finger at the MAD MAN who pencils him EVERY match. The only reason I can see why this happens is this... Moyes captured a big name player on big name wages who he probably had to beg for... he is too stubborn to leave him out the team because that is like admitting he has made an expensive mistake, is STUBBORN a trait linked with Moyes?
I think playing with 1 upfront at home is giving us problems... but I think playing with the holding midfielder infront of the defence (Heitenga) is now a fucking NEGATIVE, OVER CAUTIOUS, WASTE when we have attacking quality sat on the bench.
This squad is good, they have good character, and plenty of ability but I don't think Moyes is getting the best out of them. In fact I would say Moyes is actually a hinderance tactically and perhaps psychologically as he barks his orders from the sideline like a PE teacher!
I would add 4-1 at home to West Brom to the lenghty list of EMBARRASSING results we have had under Moyes, a list to be ashamed of. Unfortuantley for all of us there isn't a list of memorable victories to balance it out - just a couple of derby wins, a cup final defeat and 4th place finish in 9 years.
95 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:02:41
96 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:23:39
Because if you base the merit of the award on the actions of the individual, the manager, then I would be inclined to include factors such as charity work undertaken by the manager that month, or public statement which attractyed widespread approval and support (re Holloway on Rooney saga).
However, it seems (and as you are inferring) that the merits of the manager are calculated by the results of the team during that particular month. So we judge a manager by his results. A month of good results was desperately needed after the worst ever start to a Prem League campaign by us EVER.
The upturn in results, in my opinion is completely negated by a result like this today, and the last match, and the one before that.
So do me a favour and take that Manager of the Month award and stick it up Moyes' arse, coz it aint worth shit.
PS, the wikipedia site on David Moyes actually lists his number of manager of the onth awards... BUT ZERO TROPHIES. It is embarrassing.
97 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:31:53
Fuck me, a January without Cahill will leave this side firmly in the shit.
98 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:46:04
99 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:47:27
100 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:49:04
I agree with Liam (#97) as well. Beckford has had his chance. this isn't some Hollywood film about a struggle over adversity, it is the ruthless business of the English Premier league. how many sitters had that lad missed now? get rid of all three strikers in january, replace thwm with ANYONE, Marlon Harewood, Carlton Cole, Francis Jeffers, Robbie Fowler I dont care, what do we have to lose? literally ANY STRIKER would be better than the three we have. they might even score.
101 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:38:12
I love Moyes as a upstanding bloke, But he needs to sort it in a twilight zone sort of way and pretty soon. If not a fan baste (cooking) revoloution will rule the day.
102 Posted 27/11/2010 at 23:56:13
Can I have some of what you've been smokin?
103 Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:40:09
I suggest we forget the cumbersome Yak or Saha and start with Cahill and Beckford. Movement, pace and arrogance. Just what we need.
I called recently for 4-4-2 leaving out Tim Cahill. I am happy to admit that was a shite call. Cahill has been superb. Start him with Beckford.
104 Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:26:20
Moyes bought the players;
Moyes plays them fucking anywhere;
Moyes picks the team;
Moyes dropped Coleman;
Moyes thinks there's no place for Rodwell;
Moyes thinks you can't drop Arteta, or Johnny;
Moyes thinks we don't need pace in the team;
Moyes doesn't know his best eleven;
Moyes doesn't know when to change a game;
Moyes has a secret weapon? ? but won't play him;
Moyes must have forgotten the secret weapon's name;
Moyes played Arteta, and Heitinga in midfield again today, and must know they are shite together;
Moyes is a fucking idiot!
Bring Howard Kendall and Colin Harvey back and we will finnish in the top six and next season, anything is possible!
Moyes is past his sell-by date.
Kenwright ? you're next!
105 Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:45:31
Then drop Heitenga, or put him in defence. Play with Rodwell and Fellaini in the centre with Rodwell making the play and getting into and around the box as Fellaini battles away winning the ball back as he was doing excellently last season (a la piroutte against Bellamy).
Pienarr an the left and Coleman on the right.
There you go, where is my 65 grand?
106 Posted 28/11/2010 at 00:51:49
107 Posted 28/11/2010 at 01:35:05
108 Posted 28/11/2010 at 04:03:10
109 Posted 28/11/2010 at 06:03:58
Everyone is calling for Moyes's head, and whilst I have struggles to find many positives in his decision-making this season, I have to admit yesterday I felt he actually was listening to fans' concerns, giving a relatively positive line-up, making a double sub almost immediately after half-time (I can't remember when Moyes last did this). But the reality is that, although we have seen this team work well, the occasions it happens are fewer and the gaps longer. In-between, it's disjointed, leaderless and sadly mistake-ridden.
I mentioned on recent posts that the squad needed rebuilding as I felt the current squad reached its peak last year. Too many aren't getting to individual peaks this year, leaving team performances frustratingly bad.
Truth is a bitter pill, but fresh blood is needed in every area: defence, midfield and attack. The gamble of a lack of investment last summer by BK has rebounded badly on Moyes.
After such a humiliation, Moyes has to considering his future, but he shouldn't. I reiterate what I have said a few weeks ago: losing Moyes right now would be a calamity for the club. We are between a rock and a hard place but I would back him to survive in the Premier League.
Maybe next summer is the time for reflection but there is now a job to do, a turnaround job is required and fresh blood and painful calls required. Right now, changing Moyes for whoever will mean a real fight on our hands to stay in the PL.
The board has hoped that Moyes could pull out another rabbit this season, but the hat is bare. Graft is required. A bit of grit, leadership and support.
As Moyes rightly takes the flak, remember the guys who basked in his glory. He needs to accept the brick bats in a big way.
Sitting here watching the test in the Gabba ? barmy army rules...
110 Posted 28/11/2010 at 11:57:17
Beckham... why not? We had Gazza, Sparky, Ginola ? all past their sell-by date and on more money than we'll ever see!
WBA looked like the home side, they ran us ragged... is O'Neill still available?!
111 Posted 28/11/2010 at 19:46:51
112 Posted 28/11/2010 at 20:25:50
Goodison has been flat from kick off for all games since the derby. I dread going to home matches, yesterday was the worst home performance in living memory. At least when we were thrashed by Arsenal last season we played a good team.
I remember Moyes once saying he wants to go before he's hounded out of the club... I think that time is now; it's time for a change.
113 Posted 28/11/2010 at 21:02:33
114 Posted 29/11/2010 at 03:19:54
Heitinga out of position and playing horribly;
Rodwell benched, but substituted on the wing;
Arteta ineffective, but remains in the line-up;
Coleman a true bright spot, yet dropped;
Saha always absent, yet starts;
Bily out of position continually, now a head case;
Gueye ? where is he?
Go back a month or so and you have Osman starting out wide ? where he's basically ineffectual;
Beckford back a few months ago blooded up top with no support playing alone;
Howard ? and this kills me as an American ? never once sat despite some horrible play in goal... etc, etc, etc.
When you're continually making horrible decisions as to whom plays and, more importantly, in what position, then you're to blame. No vision, no adventure, no results.
At home, against West fucking Brom, and we go with ONE up top and bench our only speed on the wings in Coleman, and inexpicably play Heitinga in a position he's been absolutley horrific in while benching Rodwell?
At some point, you've got to drop this blind allegiance because Moyes is the problem.
I like the Moyes immensely. But how long does it possibly take for him to shake up the line-up and stop running out players out of position ? it's NOT WORKING!
If he'd just say "fuck it" and go for it once. Christ go 4-3-3 with 3-4 youngsters. If we lost I'd be 10 times happier because we would have at least thrown caution to the wind and went for it!
It's not overreacting, Paul, if you're pissed off watching a mule try the same failing thing time and time again!
And, for God's sakes, aim higher! Mid-table and a good Cup run! FFS man, we've missed a GLORIOUS opportunity to push into the top 4! We've pissed one away, and a mid-table finish will change our minds?
Seriously! Disgusting man, just disgusting.
Nothing personal ? but your compass needs adjusting.
115 Posted 29/11/2010 at 15:02:20
But like others here I think the end of the line is near. He has always been frustrating in his defensive tactics and a little lightweight when it comes to tactical nous - can't remember too many times when he has switched things around to turn a loss into a result.
Recent performances have really highlighted these shortcomings - we have dominated too many games without making a breakthrough, and it's sickening to see decent or promising strikers left on the bench until 10 minutes from the end, while Saha looks totally ineffective 99% of the time.
I don't know if Moyes should get the boot but only because I don't know who else we could get to take us forward. But one things for sure... Unless there are some fundamental changes to his approach, things ain't improving anytime soon.
116 Posted 29/11/2010 at 17:28:42
Sure, we all had high expectations this year, but let's not fall into the grass is always greener syndrome. Cos it ain't.
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