To my point: we are playing badly and for me it is down to in the main certain players performing well below par and the manager not understanding the importance of a full-strength team at all times.
On my second point: Moyes was complacent yesterday, he though West Brom was a shoe-in. My point is supported by the starting line-up: Anichebe should not have started that game, he was not fit, and Coleman should have been in there, yes, with Hibbert behind him, who in my opinion was not far off our best player yesterday. Heitinga cannot play the position in midfield and, on the basis that Rodwell is meant to be able to play there and is fit, then he should have started (albeit, I am yet to be convinced if he is as good as people make out).
Whether we dress it up as Everton playing 4-4-2 yesterday, in my opinion, it was still 4-5-1 and again extremely negative against a side that were there to be beaten. It is not that Moyes was being defensive in adopting this tactic, it is down to the fact that Everton's team is picked on the basis of accommodating certain players ? no matter if they are on form or not. I mention this as it takes me on to the point of players who are simply playing badly and can be replaced by players who need to be tried out, can play the position better, and for the team's sake, give a better balance to allow us to play 4-4-2 ? particularly at home.
Firstly, Jagielka is appalling at the moment, indecisive and possibly the worst distributor of a ball I have ever seen. His first six passes yesterday went straight to an opposing player. He is a defensive stopper and needs to realise he is not a cultured enough player to play from the back; however, Heitinga is... and he needs to be given the chance to play there. Arteta has been poor since the contract ink dried and it is a blessing in disguise he will now be banned; put Pienaar in midfield with Fellaini next game, but before that, give him Arteta's contract and sign him up for the next five years.
We need to give Beckford a chance, he is getting into the positions to score ? it is only a matter of time that one will go in and that will do him the world of good. He has to play up-front with Cahill as two strikers and when needed, particularly after getting in front by at least two goals, we can revert if needed. Saha, Yakubu are finished; give it up and let's look to replace.
This team needs Phil Nevile back in it as soon as possible and all Everton fans need to realise how much of a difference he makes with his presence alone; yes, he has faults similar to Jagielka, but he has respect and this makes a difference.
My team to start against Chelsea (not that I want to start a thread on team choice, but to make my point about balance and form) would be:
Mucha; Neville, Heitinga, Distin, Baines; Coleman, Fellaini, Pienaar, Bilyaletdinov; Cahil, Beckford.
Subs: Howard, Hibbert, Jagielka, Rodwell, Saha, Yakubu
This team needs a wake-up call and the ones on the bench more so. To be frank, I would not have them on the bench but we do not have that luxury... although I would applaud Moyes if he did it.
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1 Posted 28/11/2010 at 15:48:03
Let's get another thing clear... the Referee yesterday was piss poor too. The foul on Baines could and should have been a straight red to their defender; the follow-up challenge on Arteta could also have been a red. The ref was a complete shithouse, he never spoke to the player about two extremely dangerous challenges but couldn't wait to get the card out for Arteta's retaliation. Same as the Fellaini challenge, the ref completely ignored the two-footed challenge from behind and ran as fast as he could to send Fellaini off.
Okay, Davey needs a wake-up call, but the standard of refereeing is getting worse each week.
Remember the Sunderland offside goal and biased refereeing in the Arsenal game... no wonder Davey is pissed off... we get nothing.
2 Posted 28/11/2010 at 15:48:20
We work hard when we don't have the ball. We are fucking LAZY when we have it ? ideally there should always be 2/3 options for the man on the ball
Lastly, the reason we need 2 upfront is to stretch the defence and provide genuine options for midfield to find. It's a wind-up that Moyes doesn't understand that our team lacks movement and thus fluency. Movement off the ball.
I'm so irritated at the moment. The entire club (chairman ? no money; Moyes ? too scared to attack teams... and fans ? so quiet) stinks.
3 Posted 28/11/2010 at 16:14:00
4 Posted 28/11/2010 at 16:12:02
5 Posted 28/11/2010 at 16:20:29
Despite his early season mistakes, Distin has been in good form recently and deserves to keep his place.
6 Posted 28/11/2010 at 16:22:39
Johnny Heitinga believes he's good enough to go to Barca. What as? The kit man.
King Loius awarded with a long lucrative contract a year ago when Arsenal were sniffing? And it looks like an inconvenience to put a blue shirt on.
Don't forget, these players are not the equivalent of Tiler & Gemmill ? they ARE top drawer players, with apparently zilch professional pride in their work.
7 Posted 28/11/2010 at 16:45:55
8 Posted 28/11/2010 at 17:22:53
9 Posted 28/11/2010 at 17:40:45
I thought Vic looked a better bet than Coleman on the right wing, and if Bily's gonna play it should be in the hole, where Hiddink played him, and presumably where we scouted him. He may get his chance when Tim goes to the Asia Cup. Like yourself, though, I would be sorely tempted to start Beckford, if one of thoses chances goes in for him, you never know what it might do for his confidence, Yak or Saha dont seem capable of getting in those positions.
I'd go Howard in goal, Neville right back, with a view to bringing Coleman on in that position. Johnny and Distin in the centre, with Baines on the left. Midfield triangle of Felli, Rodwell and Cahill, let The Fro hold things together, and just allow the other two to play. Big Vic and little Ste on the wings, with Beckford up front.
10 Posted 28/11/2010 at 18:12:42
On a slightly different topic, had anyone heard of Tchoyi before yesterday? For me, the best player on the park by a mile. So why don't we put someone like Gueye on as a sub to surprise some people ? everything about us is so predictable.
Last point: the only one of our strikers (leaving Cahill aside even though he is basically a deep-lying striker) who I would be concerned about if I were an opponent is Beckford. Saha and Yakubu look like yesterday's news (in fact, Saha has been totally anonymous for me the whole season). Beckford will score again and once his confidence improves he will be a decent striker (not a Drogba or someone of that ilk, but someone who can do a job). At the moment, one wonders what kinds of messages he is getting when he sees the other two (Yak and Saha) consistently getting the nod in the staring line-up.
Bottom line here ? stale, stodgy, predictable management. But it's not going to change because we are not in freefall ? it's kind of one step forward and two back ? not consistently bad. (Although if we were Newcastle, Moyes would be on his bike!)
11 Posted 28/11/2010 at 18:31:16
We have no decent second-string players pushing for places and therefor we trot out the same faces every week whether they are out of form or not... We do not have the funds to have the benefit of top class understudies in the wings and Spurs today showed the vast gulf at the top of the Premier League with the tremendous squad they have ? players that would walk into most other Premier League teams are having to fight for starts and they also play terrific football. I'm no fan of Redknap but he seems to have a bottomless pit of money everywhere he goes and players want to play for him.
What we have is average standard players who sometimes perform above their level but have no consistency. We will get better results away from Goodison with the tactics we use than we will at home, where we are expected to attack.
Every side in the Premier League has improved and we have stood still so I can only see a mid-table finish at best and a relegation struggle at worst.
I just hope we can stay relatively injury free and lets hope that Baines does not get injured as I dread to think where Cahill is going to get ammunition from for his headers.
12 Posted 28/11/2010 at 18:52:05
I agree he has to give Beckford a chance ? he's quick, fit and hungry.
13 Posted 28/11/2010 at 20:08:39
We can point the finger at the players but when they suddenly turn shit collectively, it means the manager has lost them. They are not shit players but they're obviously as sick of Moyes as most of the rest of us are.
14 Posted 28/11/2010 at 20:14:06
Jagielka was poor yesterday and hoofs often. Put Heitinga in there as he can pass. Felli is the holding player. Rodders in the centre, Pienaar right mid - I'd prefer him left with Baines but we don't have a proper right mid on the books ? why not????
I'd play Bily on the left with corner-taking responsibilities. Cahill supporting Becks up top who will give Chelsea something to think about. Anichebe isn't a right-mid... in fact I don't rate him at all, the Yak doesn't look like scoring and it might be a blessing for Arteta to have a blow.
15 Posted 28/11/2010 at 20:57:05
16 Posted 28/11/2010 at 22:36:27
BUT... he has been poor. I say we start Beckford. I said to a friend a few weeks ago that I wasn't surprised Elmander has scored quite a few this season because last season he was getting slated for missing so many sitters. That means he was getting in the right positions almost all the time. Same with our lad, tell him he is in for the next X amount of games (say 5). Tell him we believe in him and lets give him the same chances we have given FucKing Louis and the Yak.
Also, I agree that we should drop Jags to play Johnny at the back with Distin (who I think has had only one bad game this season, against Man Utd). Play Fellaini and Pienaar in the middle and Bily on the left. Seamus right mid, Cahill with Beckford and I would drop Howard for Mucha. I've ever been TH's biggest fan, he gets beaten from distance far too often. Obviously Baines and Neville full backs, if fit.
I know my opinion doesn't mean anything but I think dropping players like TH and Jags might just send a message to everyone. I admit Bily has been poor but I think there is a LOT of quality in this lad and we should persist with him. Let's face it, we cannot get any worse, can we? COME ON BLUES, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!
17 Posted 28/11/2010 at 22:26:43
I think it's mostly fantasy talking about change in team tactics as long as Moyes is in charge. He'll never play the team as most people on this forum suggest he should. He seems to destroy the forwards coming to play for Everton.
What he should've done a long time ago is to adjust the team more according to the individual strength of the players. All of our players have their specialities. But Moyes has been too faithful playing the system he's always been playing. He seems to be in his own little world, not being able to see what mostly everyone sees. Misuse of a reasonably strong potential... over a long period of time.
Who's gonna replace him? I don't know. Hopefully someone who sees offensive playing as a good start towards team success. And someone who's able to get the best out of our players.
18 Posted 28/11/2010 at 23:05:06
Which they are, but not in the way he thinks.
Although painful and embarrassing to watch, Everton are too big to become scenery to one man's dying swan act; sorry, Dave ? you must do the decent thing immediately, if you get chased out by the baying mob the good name you have carved out of EFC will be besmirched and future employers will see you as nothing more than a compo merchant.
19 Posted 28/11/2010 at 23:17:11
Heitinga should be played alongside Distin, Pienaar should be brought into the middle, Beckford should be in alongside Tim up top. Moyes has to start earning his (very big by the way) wages.... now.
20 Posted 28/11/2010 at 23:17:03
We need to be more attacking from the start, and also have more energy in the team which means picking younger players. Rodwell, Coleman, Fellaini, Beckford etc... these are the lads who can get our season back on track.
21 Posted 29/11/2010 at 03:10:22
Having said all of that, what is the chance of Moyes growing some balls and making the necessary changes?
22 Posted 29/11/2010 at 09:16:38
23 Posted 29/11/2010 at 10:16:39
I wonder what we did last season when Arteta was injured and missing for a long time? Oh I remember, we played our Player of the Season in his place.
We have the same team as last year who coped admirably well in the second half of the season so we have the players available to fill in.
24 Posted 29/11/2010 at 10:26:10
Now I only saw the last 30 minutes of the game but I thought Spurs played just like we have been recently.
Sat back, couldn't find a pass to one of their own players in midfield and hoofed it forward to the beanpole when they had a break. They were just better at hoofing it than we are.
25 Posted 29/11/2010 at 12:45:53
Yes, he missed chances, but as has been stated, I couldn't see Louis getting in any positions to even look like scoring...
26 Posted 29/11/2010 at 20:39:17
That starting 11 couldn't beat a Championship side let alone the defending Champions.
Get a grip... you swap out the 'keeper, one of your central defenders, and 3 of your mid fielders? Really? And it has a positive effect? Really?
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