32,000 souls turned up the other day and neither side had a shot on goal in the 1st half ? not one. Rubbish. Granted, we had a couple of good chances in the 2nd half and Cahill hit the post, but Wigan nearly won it at the end and it all could have been a damn sight worse than it ended up.
With the exception of Baines, Cahill & Coleman, the players seem to have either simply given up, or in the case of Fellaini / Rodwell / Saha / Beckford, simply aren?t good enough. Worse still, it seems like the whole of the crowd has given up too. The atmosphere was flat and everyone else seems to have finally come to terms with the fact that Everton FC will never win anything ever again. Success for Everton would be beating that shower of twats at home, finishing 7th / 8th and maybe getting to a Cup semi-final; the latter two are very unlikely to happen, let's face it.
The style of football we?re playing at the moment is boring (again) and if we can?t beat Wigan at home, I feel that we?re in trouble (again). The only outlet we have is Baines, no-one runs off the ball into space and everyone seems afraid to take responsibility, everyone is devoid of creative ideas & the lack of ability is really worrying.
If we?re relying on Rodwell 'being brilliant in the future? or Fellaini commanding a game from the middle of the park, then we?ve had it, as neither are going to happen?. EVER. the game simply passed them by on Saturday ? although I have to say they weren't the only ones.
The problem is that, even if we sacked Moyes, who would we get? Would it get any better than Premier League survival and if that?s all we can aspire to (which I reckon is the case) then what the hell is the point at all? We might as well chuck the fucking towel in and spend our cash on something worthwhile in my opinion.
Would getting someone new in actually give us some entertainment on a Saturday afternoon instead of scratching around for draws and 1-0 wins at home to the like of Wigan FFS? ? I just don?t know...
I do know that I?ve given up (that happened a few years ago to be honest) as I don?t get bothered when they lose anymore; after all, the likes of Fellaini won?t be thinking about me having the 3 hours drive all the way back up to Northumberland after the game, at a cost of £35 (per journey ? £70 there and back) while he?s dining on the Docks with his beautiful bird, after parking up his £120k Merc outside then driving back to his £5M Cheshire mansion, will he? What the fuck does he care about the likes of us? In fact only Neville seems to be arsed and he's shite.
I think therein lies the problem, within the whole of football, never mind just at Goodison park.
Don't let it bother you that we're shite; it's nothing new. Smile, it's nearly Chrizzie.
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1 Posted 14/12/2010 at 14:47:00
2 Posted 14/12/2010 at 14:48:53
Exactly how I've felt for years now with the intemittent ray of hope and sunshine (the AJ derby) thrown in.
Loved this line:
"In fact only Neville seems to be arsed and he's shite."
made me chuckle despite the overall mood of the post!
3 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:11:02
Having read a lot of emails and comments on this site and others, it seems my neighbour's words may have some truth about them. Three wins from 17 games ffs... if only Sir John was still Chairman.
4 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:39:54
I've got a lovely picture of my baby daughter (now a fully-grown woman of course) with the Championship trophy. I'd love to think that some future dads will feel the same pride.
5 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:55:00
6 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:53:42
Please, Everton, try and learn, even from Bolton, and change your tactics.
7 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:07:19
I WILL be going on Boxing Day... but only because there'll be a pint in it (and because, by Boxing Day, I'm always gagging to get out).
8 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:09:08
A lot of players are only asked to play 15 or 20 minutes if their side are losing or holding on to a one-goal lead so they don't even need to be super fit (or young). Just look carefully at the benches that the top sides have and you will see I am right. Loyalty is no longer an issue for either club or player and footballers nowadays are travelling contractors, as I was when I worked in different countries for the best pay.
Any supporter who thinks any different is naieve... the mediocre players stay at their clubs as no-one wants to buy them; the better players only stay at the clubs who have realistic chances of winning trophies. (My nutshell opinion.)
9 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:48:25
For my money I still enjoy watching other teams play football and still get excited to watch Everton. I think this season is just really starting to prove what we all knew for too long, without money you can't win in football anymore. But I would still sack Moyes.
10 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:05:56
11 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:22:05
12 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:31:13
Disillusioned - and sick to death of only getting half a season out of highly paid, badly prepared, false-dawn, soundbite-infected, so-called professionals (and I include the boardroom and management in that as well).
I'm not anti BK/DM but something about us is starting to smell a bit past its sell-by date.
13 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:27:20
14 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:09:50
Very well put.
I've wrote a few times about the lack of hope under this regime, I know more fans who've walked away from Everton for this reason above all else.
Trouble is I feel only the meltdown of relegation will wake the owners up to the seriousness of the fans distaste, unfortunately it'll be too late.
15 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:29:25
16 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:35:28
17 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:42:47
It's Arteta that gives me most concern.
If Moyes was to ask me what I wanted for Christmas, I would tell him to play at least one game with Beckford and Vaughan in a 4-4-2 and both stay on the pitch for the 90.
Something has to change so why not?
18 Posted 14/12/2010 at 18:24:36
When your team is struggling to score goals and win games, surely you need to try something different. Different tactics, different formation, different players. Anything to get a positive reaction. Anything to find a solution that works. If it doesn't work, try something else.
All Moyes seems to do is the same tactics, formation and players. 4-5-1 week in, week out against Chelsea, Wigan or Brentford! The opposition makes no difference. Saha starting week in, week out even though he hasn't scored since March.
If Moyes cared he would do something, something different.
19 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:12:40
20 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:10:54
This is from the BBC text report of the match on Saturday,
0:44 Shot from 12 yards by Tim Cahill. Save by Ali Al Habsi.
30:06 Jack Rodwell takes a shot. Save made by Ali Al Habsi.
47:27 Steven Pienaar takes a shot. Save made by Ali Al Habsi.
49:49 Phil Jagielka has a volleyed shot. Save by Ali Al Habsi.
57:59 Louis Saha takes a shot. Save made by Ali Al Habsi.
58:33 Tim Cahill produces a header from deep inside the area and hits the post.
59:03 Seamus Coleman takes a shot. Ali Al Habsi makes a save.
68:19 Marouane Fellaini takes a shot. Save by Ali Al Habsi.
73:22 Jermaine Beckford takes a shot. Save by Ali Al Habsi.
80:39 Seamus Coleman takes a shot. Blocked by Antolin Alcaraz.
And that's only the one's on target and no mention of Rodwell's or Feellaini's first half-headers or the wrongly dissallowed Beckford goal. Most of these chances came from open play so it's not the tatics, it's the finishing, half of them chances go in and everybody goes home happy.
21 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:28:30
Rodwell and Fellaini looked good against Chelsea and I think we'd be better off with a bit of grit in the middle rather than Arteta, when he returns, having been shit all season!
But on the whole we're a mid-table outfit at best because our tactics are poor and look like we're playing for draws, and with Pienaar and others looking to move on with no suitable replacements in line, that's all we'll be for the forseeable future.
22 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:41:05
It takes us about an hour just to get into the final 3rd, and thats even when we have a breakaway.
23 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:36:06
There has to be an explanation that goes beyond the rather simplistic mis-firing striker syndrome. Somebody's touched on this already, that our build-up is ponderous, and insufficiently incisive, and the shooting is fractionally delayed from the optimum, and the results are poor.
This is a jump, I accept that, but to me it screams of a team struggling to play attacking football under the shroud of Moyes's defensive straight-jacket. Those who may have read my contributions before know that this is something of a theme going back a long long while for me. It's not always been the case, and at times they have broken free and shown us how they can play in the past... but it seems that, this season, there is something seriously wrong with the way Moyes has set the team up.
They only way I can even begin to understand it is that he is burdening them with too much individual defensive responsibility that is preventing them from playing more expansively, moving the ball forward more quickly, attacking with a bit more pace, shooting a fraction earlier...
In a sense, you're right: small adjustments maybe could see very different results. But the history of Moyes destroying strikers, playing people out of position, insisting they "work hard" and do their defensive duties is all too clear to be ignored. I think you have to look a bit deeper than simply having your strikers mis-firing (What? All of them???)
I know my ideas are not widely accepted but that doesn't stop them from fitting what I see when we play... and that to me is far more convincing than assertions that Moyes is a great, attack-minded manager who has masterminded some fantastic victories over the Big Boys...
24 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:49:37
Honest gents the problem is that our forwards who are paid really well, are highly respected with a great pedigree have for one reason or another decided to down tools. However, Moyes is certainly at fault for persevering with Saha when it is patently obvious that he?s lost it ? Jesus, he must put in a shift and a half in training.
25 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:17:34
26 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:18:41
27 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:01:42
My son and I are season ticket holders in the Lower Gwladys and everyone amongst us where having a general rant at halftime on Saturday. My son then came out with a very telling comment 'Dad, at least you saw Alan Ball and you have seen Everton win everything in the late 80s. All I have is Everton losing to Chelsea in the Cup Final.' I was speechless for sometime and then felt very angry that my club for all the reasons we know so well has got to the state it has.
So we supposedly cannot win the Premier League but can we not play with some pride and passion? Can we not do the basics right? Pass and move, press the ball when not in possession, and play our squad in there proper positions. Also, can we please not bring everyone back for corners and not take and eternity to take a throw-in.
Finally, DM/BK ? can you remember our motto: NSNO ? you are only guardians of our great club so let's start living up to our great history.
28 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:09:13
Man City: enough preening divas to fill about 50 seasons at the Royal Opera House
Man Utd: unfathomable financial chaos; hard core fans defect to form rival team
Chelsea: endlessly re-running Sopranos episode, in a language you can't understand
Blackburn: owned by someone who saw her first game of football in August THIS YEAR!
Toon: and you thought Blue Bill was a self-serving buffoon?
West Ham, Wolves: toast
WBA, Stoke, Blackpool, Wigan, Bolton, Birmingham: just a matter of time before toast
Sunderland, Aston Villa: really more attractive to support than Everton, even now?
Spurs: look great now, but will all end in tears, as it always does
This leaves only Arsenal, in my book, as a team that one might truly envy, not coincidentally the only team that has anything even close to Everton's remarkable record of consistency and integrity since the nineteenth century. And personally, I still haven't got over the sale of Alan Ball, so they're out too.
I don't love how we are playing right now. I don't love DM or BK right now. And I hate what has happened to football worldwide in the last 10 or 15 years. But our club has somehow retained a certain class and dignity (relatively speaking, at least) throughout these years, even if we haven't been as successful as we would all like. I also believe that we have an unusually large number of players of integrity who actually CAN be "arsed": Neville, Jags, Howard, Cahill, Osman, Hibbert, Baines, Pienaar, Beckford, Rodwell, to name just a few. Even if they are all "shite" right now.
So I wouldn't want to change places with anyone else at this point. And after supporting the Blues for more than 40 years, it's not as if I really have a choice anyway.
29 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:42:55
Still, eventually us dinosaurs will die out, and nobody will ever believe that football existed before 1992.......
30 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:38:48
Perspective is everything, otherwise this could just eat you up. The game has been completely stitched up for the last ten years or more. Im staggered at some fans inability to even vaguely see the bigger picture, and Everton's rather depressing place in it.
Top English football, the media, its money, its attention and effort is totally directed on a few winners. Its self perpetuating and uncompromising. Everton's place wont shift upwards without sustained major investment, regardless of who is manager. It the same for all teams, there have been no exceptions to this. We've probably come closest to breaking the monopoly.
What some are complaining about is nothing compared to what every other team (bar the chosen few) has complained about in recent seasons.
We've been the best of the rest (not just now, maybe) but don't expect it ever to get any better than that
31 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:12:31
Sure, we piss about too much in front of goal and make, and squander, numerous chances, but the football is miles better than the shite Smith, Walker and Kendall (in has last tenure) played.Provided we can stop Jags from thinking he's The Kaiser and that he can spray 50 yard passes to a blue shirt. A year or two ago the stats said that we scored the fewest goals , and conceded the most from outside the area. I'd like to see what happens at Finch Farm during shooting practice. If we have any, that is.
32 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:47:21
33 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:42:17
David #24 you've already admitted on another thread you weren't at the West Brom game yet claim some high ground that we didn't get played off the park despite a 4-1 scoreline. This season in the games so far with very few exceptions we have been dreadful, predictable and toothless.
34 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:54:46
35 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:37:37
36 Posted 15/12/2010 at 00:34:32
The story of the game I've been given from a couple of people at the game who know their football (one of them hates Moyes BTW), is that we started well, their 1st attack they scored, they got a free kick against the run of play and scored, we then scored and got back into it, and it all went pear-shaped when Arteta was sent off, and we were chasing the game with 10 men. More bad day at the office than piss poor.
BTW I'm neither pro- nor anti-Moyes, which is unusual in the polarised world of TW.
37 Posted 15/12/2010 at 05:17:45
You yourself contributed to a thread recently where fans were invited to chose Stay or Go in regard to Moyes. If, as you claim, this website is "100% negative", then would that not be a clean sweep for the Go vote? Instead, I think the Stay votes edged it at the last count.
And there are countless other examples. Why oh why can't people accept that we publish and encourage views on Everton from across the board? From Tony Marsh to Richard Dodd? Can we please just dump this "negativity" label?
38 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:50:03
39 Posted 15/12/2010 at 18:56:05
The point I'm trying to get across is that with a better finshing on Saturday most people would have gone home very happy, the ponderous build up play would have been thought of as patient play. Most of the chances came from open play so the tactics worked and would have been considered spot on if the chances made had been taken.
If you look at the chances in the first half the midfield were getting into the box and supporting the lone striker. If you have access to the BBC iPlayer watch Sunday's Match of the Day 2 and see how they present our game.
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