There are two points I would like to make. Firstly, a possible generation gap in the opinions viewed. Secondly, the passiveness of Evertonians.
Regarding the generation gap, my father fondly remembers the Golden Vision. Labone. Kendall, Ball and Harvey. The School of Science. He wants Moyes gone.
Myself, I grew up on the 80ss team of Southall, Ratcliffe, Reid, Sharp et al who where Champions of England and won in Europe. While I?m not screaming for Moyes?s head just yet, I am very very close to doing so.
We have both seen Everton great. We have seen success and want it again. We also want the club to be the pioneers of the English game, both on and of the pitch, like we once were.
We both want Kenwright gone, and are fed up with the very poor running of our club off the pitch.
Basically, we will not be happy until the club is again living up to our motto, and demand that those associated with the club have that same burning desire.
So I wonder if those who want Moyes to stay 100%, and think the sun shines wherever Mr Kenwright is, are the Sky generation of Evertonians who have only known relegation battles, and have been brainwashed by the media into believing we are a mediocre club, happy to finish mid-table to 5th and reach a Cup Final once every blue moon?
Those who think not fighting the drop is considered success, and accept the backhanded plaudits from the media in their patronising way. ?Aawww look at Everton, aren?t they doing well. Plucky little Everton. Pat them on the head, and tell them how happy they should be?.
Failing to realise that we are the 4th most successful club in the country, and going 15 years without a trophy is simply not good enough.
Now, secondly, I think a problem with most Evertonians is that we are too easily pleased, too easily rolled over. Too passive, too meek. Too willing to accept mediocrity because ?Bill?s a blue? and ?look where we where when Moyes took over?.
Unwilling to vent any fury, because when we do, we then get accused of not supporting the club, get told to stop behaving like ?them lot?.
Well, let?s have a look at ?them lot?. They were angry, very very angry, about how their club was being run. They organised protest marches, bought space on billboard signs. They had sit-ins after the game, appeared on TV and radio, making their feelings clear. What did we do? Laughed at them, took the piss out of them, told them how pathetic they looked. Said we?d never do stuff like that because ?we?re Evertonians and Evertonians support their club?. Well, it worked for them didn?t it? They got what they wanted and needed to begin to move their club forward, so who?s laughing now?
It?s about time us Evertonians started standing up for ourselves. Stopped being too scared to criticise. Stopped being scared of being labelled ?like them lot?. Stopped being scared of being accused of not being supportive. Basically, grew some fucking balls (not sure what the female equivalent of that quote would be, sorry!), started demanding success (of the silver kind), and showed some fighting spirit.
Well fuck it. If I?m not happy I will blooming well say so, and if anyone dares tell me that I should be ?supporting? my club one more time, which has happened on a couple of occasions this season when I?ve vented fury at David Moyes for one reason or another, I?ll show them my fucking bank statements and let them see how much money I spend every single season going all over the country (and Europe) supporting my club.
If I?m completely and utterly fed up with the shite that gets served up, both on and off the pitch, I will bloody well say so ? and yes, I am ?supporting? my club, because, sometimes, the best way to help someone is to be harsh with them. Tell it like it is. Cruel to be kind.
The upshot being, the sooner Kenwright fucks off, takes Earl with him, and thus stopping Green having huge influence on the club, the better.
If Moyes doesn?t stop dropping the striker most in form at the time, doesn?t stop playing the same system and style in every single game during every single season, doesn?t start showing some kind of imagination, attacking intent, and doesn?t, basically, shake things up big time with the so-called best squad in 24 years ? then he can do one too.
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1 Posted 15/12/2010 at 04:25:06
Good post Adam
I haven?t lived through the successful years of Everton but I have experienced the difference between winning and losing enough to know which one I prefer.
Moyes is frustrating us all at the moment because we seem to think we could do a better job setting the team up then him on match day. Moyes holds his job because he is supposed to have superior knowledge to us fans. I?m not going to argue that he lives and breathes football but the sad thing for me is I would now be just as happy for any of us to pick the team and run the bench.
While Moyes frustrates me it?s the board that pisses me off. It?s the board who decide the direction of this club. It?s the board who are charged with sustaining our finances. This club is one of the greatest in England and deserves management to match. We missed the boat moving into the premier league era and have played a very poor game of catch up ever since.
We will never achieve success by patch work. One big transfer every few seasons, and safety first football will not win anything. I want success and I don?t care how it comes.
People are scared of being bought out by some mega rich party who aren?t real Evertonians. The fact that Bill is one of use doesn?t do shit for the club. I?d feel far more comfortable knowing the club was run by experienced and successful businessmen or by those who have sufficient finances to continue to back us through ups and downs.
While some premier league clubs go to far in chancing managers over and over it does show one thing that our board lack. True ambition.
2 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:53:56
It's true that, in general, there is an age thing
Those of us who have seen the great Everton sides of 66- 70 and mid-80s and those who think 4th is the new champions and blather on about "we're skint, worse under Walter" etc
One word proves your point - no make that 2:
3 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:52:40
BK cannot do any of this and never will. I don't care that he is a fan and why should I?
What's the alternative, stick with this lot again and keep moaning every year as our ambitions now are to avoid relegation and finish mid-table ? hardly aspiring, is it?
4 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:37:30
however, one additional category of Everton fans: Kids like me, too young to remember the 60s OR the 80s, who STILL feel bitter and angry at the modern rusting of my club (and it is MY club.)
The first real season I followed was 90-91, I used to watch us limply beat the likes of Norwich and Coventry 1-0 with Tony Cottee reaching the giddy heights of double figures in a season and Beagrie doing the odd cheeky shimmy and even as a wee lad I'd be sat there thinking "Hmm, I thought Everton were supposed to be, you know, a GOOD team?"
5 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:59:02
The exact year eludes me but it would have been less than a decade since Everton were champions, it was just unacceptable.
koppites sound off because they're in the same situation as we where then; decline is evident but glorious triumph is still a recent memory, it provides hope.
Its nearly a quarter of a century for us, a generation have grown up thinking mid table is marvellous, meanwhile many who know better have walked away or died.
Whichever way you look at it the club won't attract new fans like this, and more good lads like Adam will tell them to stick it.
(also If liverpool continue morphing into Everton, the Devils Pact clearly means we become Tranmere. )
6 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:55:27
It's youngsters like you and my lads who know about and appreciate the past who must pick up the baton for the future
7 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:44:51
BK is just a custodian, let's hope by the time he does get his wretched excuse of a chairmanship to end he leaves something behind besides the legacy of worst chairman in 40 plus years.
8 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:19:58
Too many people happy with mediocrity.
9 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:03:15
The point about a generation gap is spot on. I am 49 and remember the barren years of the seventies as well as the success of the eighties. Just because we have little money doesn't mean we can't have ambition. Money doesn't always buy success. Brian Clough won the title with newly promoted Notts Forest in 1978 with a team full of journeymen, but there again he was a great manager (unlike Moyes).
This was the year, 24 years, best squad for donkeys years etc, and Moyes, the players, abley assisted by Kenwright, have fucked it up. I've smelt the current stench of staleness before but have we got the board with the balls to do something about it? I fear not. Fifteen years without a trophy ? or one trophy in 23 years if you want to feel realy depressed ? is truly abysmal. NSNO my arse.
10 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:18:19
11 Posted 15/12/2010 at 16:05:09
I've watched Everton since 1946-47, watched them go down, and all through the 2nd Division campain, and the atmosphere was never as bad as it is now, especially amongst the fans. We seem to be falling apart at the seams.
12 Posted 15/12/2010 at 16:23:37
13 Posted 15/12/2010 at 17:48:21
Until the last few seasons, whenever I told anyone who I support, they almost always laughed and said how shit we are/were. Under Moyes, I have noticed that not many people seem to say that anymore...
My dad was there in the 80s and he always talks about how we are a big club and how successful we have been. It's a bit different for me. I want us to be better. I want us to be Champions again. But, until that day, I will be grateful to Moyes for making my life a bit easier, even though this season the man is truly baffling me.
I sometimes think that, because I am not a scouser like my Dad and most of you on here, and because I have never lived in Liverpool, that maybe, just maybe I can see just how far our club has fallen a bit clearer than some others. Let me explain...
Living in Burnley (my Dad moved here over 20 years ago), I never hear anyone talking about how great we once were. Nobody seems to mention our great teams of the past. Nobody even seems to remember the old "Big 5" clubs in England saying. This is not just people in my town but people from other areas too. It's almost like some of the best football in this country's history has been erased.
The only people who still think Everton are a big club are the Blues of my father's generation or older. I know my history about only 3 teams winning the league more than us but not many non-blues do.
So, I am not going to apologise for not screaming "Moyes Out" when I go to Goodison on Boxing Day because I do not expect us to really achieve anything, I have never seen us achieve anything, you see, one cup aside.
I hope for the best every game, every season... but I am sorry to say I am a Sky TV generation Evertonian and MY team has never been one of the big boys. My expectations are low because I know no better! I don't know if you older blues are lucky because you got to see us be the best. Or unlucky because you now see how far behind we have slumped and it must be breaking your heart.
I love our club very much, however, until I see us win the Premier League or Champions League, I will never think of us as being one of the big boys. Even though I know that historically we are. My Everton have always been the underdogs. And I will always think of us that way. Shame really.
14 Posted 15/12/2010 at 22:19:20
The frustration with the Moyes / BK era is we've climbed half way up the mountain 3 or 4 times (Cup Final / Fourth place / Fiorentina / the start of this season) where we've sniffed success and fallen back down.
Lee ? believe me, we ARE a great club, bigger and more successful than Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs and City. We deserve to be top 4 AT LEAST. If we as fans accept second best, we're fucked.
15 Posted 15/12/2010 at 22:18:00
Well said mate, I'm much older than you and have witnessed the 60s, 70s and 80s greats. I am very anti-Moyes because of it but your experience and perspective made me stop and think.
Very well put; I hope things pick up for all of us but particularly for great supporters like you.
16 Posted 15/12/2010 at 23:50:29
Not to beat about the bush, I agree with Adam's point: it's time for a whole change of regime, DM included, I'm afraid.
When Steve Round joined, the team's style changed for the better. We now do seem to be able to play the ball about the park, not just do the up and under, but our tactics are still too cautious. DM cannot play it any other way, apparently, and it's not like we don't have the players. I mean, has anyone seen Bolton this season?
So, I'm afraid it's curtains for both BK and DM, as far as I'm concerned. But let BK go first and whoever takes over can decide who the manager should be. And BK will never fire DM because he knows he'd be the next in line.
17 Posted 16/12/2010 at 16:41:40
Chris (#14) ? I know we are bigger than Newcastle, Spurs and City but the problem is they haven't done anything yet just like we haven't. I don't want to settle for second best, but seriously, what else is on the horizon? With or without Moyes.
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