I'll be honest. I've never been a fan. Even when he has allegedly done well he has failed. Villarreal was a wasted opportunity. Would any other manager play a lump like Beattie up front on his own in the home leg?
Would any other manager watch us fail to have a shot when chasing a Chelsea team in the League Cup home leg semi-final and then only put another forward on when we were two down and the tie lost?
Would any manager get to an FA Cup Final and raise the white flag when we go behind. No plan B whatsoever.
He has presided over our biggest ever margin of defeat (0-7) at Arsenal.
His record in cups is shocking. 1-4 at home to Blackburn, defeats at Shrewsbury, Brentford and the less said about Dinamo Bucharest, Sporting Lisbon and Benfica the better.
Moyes's record away at the so called big four is absolutely dreadful... In all competitions : P 40, W 0, D 15, L 25, F 28, A 79... Even Blackpool have won at Anfield.!!
Moyes has turned up at Anfield on 9 occasions and seen us score just 4 times.
How many times do we have to stare open mouthed at another ludicrous and negative team selection. How many players chosen out of position.?
How many times has the white flag been raised away and the bus parked ?
Moyes apologists go on about his lack of money but don't look closely at who he has bought for big money and wasted:
How many forwards have had their confidences crushed by being left isolated up front? ? Johnson, Beattie, Saha, Yakubu, Beckford...
The tactics are boring, negative and stale.
We are worse off than when Moyes arrived. But the end is in sight. The supporters are starting to see through him. Scunthorpe will see the end of him. If another defeat in the FA Cup against lower league oppostion will see the back of him then it will be worth the loss.
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1 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:01:33
P W D L F A GD PTS
19 4 10 5 21 22 -1 22
Convert 5 of those draws to wins and we have 32 points which would place us 5th in the table.
The bore draw against West Ham yesterday reflects the Moyes's style of always securing a point before trying to win. I would accept a few more defeats in return for some attacking intent against teams we should be blowing away.
The win at City looked to have really generated some confidence and belief in the team but that did not show yesterday.
I'm just really frustrated that a squad with a lot of potential is not living up to it and for that I blame the coaching and the tactics.
How long do we put up with this for?
2 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:02:24
3 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:01:51
I would like to see the stats for how many games this season he has had to abandon his game plan by the 60 minute mark and brought the cavalry on which in my view is an admission his first eleven was wrong.
4 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:09:37
If you want people to understand and make sense of your criticisms, at least use your brain and back it up with something tangible that we can evaluate Moyes against.
For the record, I find it hilarious that people beat Moyes with the whole 'results in Europe' stick, when he is the first manager since Joe Royle to get us into Europe and in the most part, he has kept us competing at that end of the table.
Moyes is not beyond reproach, far from it, but to suggest he is worse than Walker/ Smith/ Bingham is simply ludicrous.
5 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:11:22
I feel so sorry for the people who paid to watch that rubbish yesterday, but what did you expect? Moyes to try and win the game, or keep the point we had.
Whoever writes the crap on our website needs a good sorting out, even Lord Haw Haw couldn't spout propaganda like them.
Vive le revolution, and sort out this rubbish before the body looses any form of pulse, and our once great club is pronounced dead!
6 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:17:01
7 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:24:34
Richard Osborne sums it up nicely, not much more to say about this other than that Ian should have counted to a very high number before realising it wasn't worth bothering.
8 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:27:30
Yes he has done a great job when it`s backs to the wall, but the first time he has a good fully fit squad of talented footballers he does not appear to have a clue, players out of position,players getting mauled in the press whilst his favourites get away with murder,players left to leave for jack shit,players we could have robbed £6M for still here.
9 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:28:51
Moaning about Moyes's record in European games, League Cup semi finals and FA Cup Finals is the biggest single argument against the point the writer is trying to make. How many times under any of the managers listed in the title did we play in any such games, let alone triumph?
Moyes has his critics, and quite rightly so, but lets keep the critism sensible and credible. "We are worse off than when Moyes arrived" ? please! Even the most ardent Moyes critic would surely recognise that we are in a far better shape now than we were when he arrived. Point taken about some of his signings (although including Fellaini in that list further damages your argument), but find a manager that hasn't bought some duffers!
The big question in my mind is, can we continue to progress under Moyes? ? not whether we have or not.
10 Posted 29/12/2010 at 14:50:42
Yes, he got us there... but I would rather have not got there to be honest! The embarrassment after the Benfica game, for example, was one of the worst moments of being an Everton fan. We were embarrassed and Moyes's tactics were put to the sword pretty much every time we came up against decent opposition in Europe.
The 2009 FA Cup Final was another embarrassment. Everyone could see what the problem was except Moyes. It's time to go I am afraid.
11 Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:04:11
Unfortunately, when we reached that level, Moyes did not deliver what he promised. He stuck with Neville & Hibbert. He continued to buy utility players instead of genuine quality in specific positions.
This is where I really despair about Moyes. He can spot talent. Look at Arteta, Baines, Pienaar, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka. But for every one of them, there is a Saha, Bilyaletdinov, Heitinga, Kroldrup. He's either Jekyll or Hyde.
The problem now is that means is no longer producing an end. The very thing that Moyes was applauded for - turning dog shit into a winning side, has now gone and done a 180 and we are back to watching terrible football without any meaningful run of form. Is this the fault of the Manager, the players or the board. I think it's a combination of all three, which to me is very, very worrying.
12 Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:26:00
13 Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:27:40
14 Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:37:42
Absolute fucking rubbish. I like everyone else is unhappy with the way this season is going but to suggest we are worse off now as a club that when Moyes took charge against Fulham in his first game is embarrassing.
15 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:03:01
We have served up some of the worst anti-football this season I have ever seen. Yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back. This is the best squad Moyes has had ? according to him ? and he has failed miserably and should suffer the consequences.
16 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:29:20
Mike Walker arrived in the January and took over a team heading for relegation and kept the club in the top flight. The win over Wimbledon brought me more pleasure than any thing Dithering Dave has done.
Walter Smith managed to win at Anfield. Something Moyes never has nor ever will do.
Billy Bingham finshed three points away from winning the league. The team also played entertaining football.
17 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:25:31
Get real, we know Moyes has a problem with tactics and yesterday was no fun at all, but Moyes has made us the only club to consistently challenge the Sky Four, and has done so with very little cash. You just look silly making strawman points which are obviously lop sided. Criticise him, but at least bother to weigh up all the evidence first.
18 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:23:57
And I also don't believe you can call Fella, Johnny and Bily a waste of money because they all have shown some true class at times. I would critcise Moyes for not using them correctly rather than for buying them in the first place.
Anyway, look at the money Fergie wasted on the likes of Veron, Barthez, Tosic and God knows how many others. Every manager makes bad buys... Every manager.
I do agree that yesterday was a new low. The lack of belief he has in his own squad is amazing. I don't know why he does these things. I am starting to wonder just what Holloway could do with this squad! And I have always been a Moyes fan so I can understand why people who have never been Moyes fans are so pissed off!!
19 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:38:38
20 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:38:34
I can recall matches under both of those former managers where we would barely muster a shot on goal in the entire 90 minutes. At least now we're controlling most games, passing the ball about and creating some chances.
Moyes's team selection yesterday was incredibly disappointing, and that's putting it mildly, but to suggest that we're in some kind of slow death akin to the Walker or Smith eras is, well, bollocks. We've moved up a level since their time and Moyes is struggling to match the new expectations. Comparisons with the misery that came before him aren't valid anymore.
21 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:33:12
Subs Not Used: Gerrard, Clarke, Chadwick.
Ian Edwards, this is the team Moyes inherited and beat Fulham in the first game under Moyes. Have a good look at it and then try and convince ANYONE that it's a better team than we can put out now. You can't.
Don't claim that today's squad are shite because we've had a few crap results; we have a team that's off form and Moyes's negativity is partly to blame but don't talk shite by saying we're worse than we were under Walker and Smith.
22 Posted 29/12/2010 at 16:58:11
True, we have made only an modest start to the present campaign but are well in touch with the teams above us and well capable of a top six finish. Additionally, hoof-ball is a thing of the past and the team is playing more flowing football than all but the current top four.
Please, everyone, a little balance to your comments, please!
23 Posted 29/12/2010 at 17:38:35
However, I defy anyone to re-watch yesterday's match and then honestly say Moyes is the best man for the job.
24 Posted 29/12/2010 at 17:37:07
Fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, etc is not a success ? it's an also-ran. Does Hibbert still have the extra arsehole Malouda tore him at the FA Cup Final? As very poignantly highlighted above, making a significant change in each game very late on to try to salvage a point is surely an obvious result of starting the wrong players/formation yet happens week-in and week-out.
Again Doddy and its getting very boring, when does the season start? ? August, September, October, November, December or January? How many more excuses?
ps: Where's Black Bill?
25 Posted 29/12/2010 at 17:31:17
Remember a midfield that included some little Norwegian bloke and an African that asked to be substituted because a fan ran on and asked to swap shirts with him ... Remember this lot do ya ... Eh ....?
Remember when the goal every season was to "stay-up" - Remember when we celebrated a 1-1 draw with Liverpool like we'd won the European Cup....
Every bleating,fickle minded, short-sighted, wingeing Evertonian who has the audacity to come onto this forum and slag off David Moyes should stand in front of a mirror an' have a word with themselves ...
And then perhaps look back about 8 or 9 years and get misty eyed about the "good, old days ..." when the team, the squad, the management and the brand of football we played was utter, utter ..... SHITE ....
I readily admit that I am unhappy about our results this season, but to suggest that we should get rid of Moyes is complete and utter insanity ... Who will replace him ... Big Sam ...? David O'Leary ... The Fat Waiter .... Woo Hoo ... bring on the dancing girls .... Get a grip boys ....
26 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:12:53
27 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:02:18
LMA manager of the year 2002?03, 2004?05, 2008?09 since he took the job...lets see how far we have come since then.
TEAM V Fulham in Moyes first game in charge.
Lets look at a selection of our first team now.
Howard - USA international signed by Moyes from Man United
P Neville - Possibly one of Moyes best buys, highly underrated, contributes both on and off the fied.
Baines - The second best left back in England.
Jagielka - Moyes brought this lad in from Championship and turned him into one of the best English Centre backs.
Distin - Losing Lescott (who moyes brought in and sold for 24 million) was never going to be easy. After a slow start has started to play like he has for previous clubs.
Pienaar- Despite the contractual problems, has proven to be an excellent signing by Moyes for 2.5 million
Cahill - Moyes best signing, played in lower league before Moyes brought him in and turned him into one of the most dangerous midfielders in premiership. Certainly the first player the opposition will look to see if he is on the team sheet.
Arteta- Signed for next to nothing. Regarded as one of the most technically gifted players in the premiership. has been linked to Arsenal as replacement for Cesc.
Fellaini - Moyes most expensive signing. His big money transfer fee is no longer seen an issue by the majority of fans, such are his performances in the last 12 months.
Yakubu - Big money signing by Moyes, Was an instant hit in first season. Has struggled since his injury v spurs 2 years ago.
Saha - Despite his form of late. The lad was signed for next to nothing. Moyes got him playing and scoring. When we struggled with injuries last season, saha's goals kept our heads above water. His brace v Chelsea last season (when we beat them) a particular highlight.
Now compare those players with the ones that Moyes had that first game v Fulham. And tell me that Moyes is a worse manager than Smith. Im not even going to go anywhere near that Walker comparison...as he almost took us down...and we were bottom of the league when Royle came in.
28 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:38:22
1. He will not walk;
2. Thanks to bungling Bill's mismanagement of the club we haven't got the proverbial pot to urinate in and therefore couldn't afford to pay Moyes's contract off.
We are highly unlikely to bring in loan signings, so sadly we're stuck with what we've got ? a strikeforce other than Cahill who are goal shy.
No chance of a comment, Bill?
29 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:41:28
Yes, the playing staff is now far better, no doubt about it.
The problem now is the managership of David Moyes: "We are worse off than when Moyes arrived" ? in terms of how the manager is managing the resources he has, and the results he is getting from them.
In fact, when you read the comparison you provide above, and look at the utter dross Moyes is currently overseeing in terms of tactics and results from his best squad ever, your contribution underlines further what an absolutely dreadful job he is currently doing.
30 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:27:44
Nothing wrong with the players at the club, the current players at the club are capable of achieving far greater things and playing better football than they currently are (maybe minus Hibbert who has no talent whatsoever)
The driver being Moyes is the problem, tactics and selection of players is one thing but who really knows what goes on in his head? Does someone need to motivate him? he doesn't take risks on bends overtaking his competitors when he has the ability to do so. Driving the wrong tyres on the wrong surface, players in different positions when it's easier to do the simple things correctly. As a person Moyes needs to take a look at himself and the traits he possesses, psychologically there is something not right with our driver.
31 Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:51:55
32 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:00:00
I can't think of a single other manager who would have set up the tactics like that yesterday. It was pathetic and quite frankly the mark of a coward.
33 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:03:16
David Moyes' Everton is not 'worse than Walker' (an insult to Moyes that), 'worse than Smith' (never finished higher than 13th in 4 years with Smith; with Moyes we've only finished lower than 11th once in 8 years); and 'worse than Bingham' (consistently higher finisher than Bingham had).
I'm all for fans making their voices heard and I can understand people's frustrations, but this ridiculous knee-jerking every time we suffer a bad result has to stop, it's mind-numbing and silly. There were no articles like this after the City game were there? And that was just 9 days ago.
34 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:06:10
35 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:18:38
The contention is that David Moyes's management of his resources has seriously deteriorated this season: last night was a very low point in that process. It was far more than just a "bad result" ? heck, it wasn't even really a bad result in the traditional sense (draw away... blah, blah).
But the reality of it seems to have escaped you. Read the posts again. Most people can see the match for what it was last night ? a dreadful indictment of Moyes's current incompetence. No amount of revisionist blather is going to obfuscate that horrible reality.
36 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:35:13
OK, it's obvious that things are bad at the top level at EFC, particularly on the managment side. From what I'm seeing, Moyes is making it clear that he is getting no financial support to gee things up (especially up front).
I do not agree that Moyes is sitting in BK's pocket because, for all the shit being generated towards BK, primarily due to lack of funds, I'm sure BK would tell Moyes to fuckoff and get someone new in... (Oh!!!, BK looks at Moyes's £3M a year for another 4 years and shuts the fuck up.)
Couple the above with the fact that Moyes has lost ALL confidence in his strike force and would rather play with no striker than pick Saha, Yak or whoever else calls themselves a striker at EFC. You don't need to be Brain of Britian to figure that Moyes plays with no striker against the bottom club in the EPL, who are leaking goals against all and sundry, to realise that all is not well at EFC. I was fucking gob smacked!!!
Personally, I think Moyes is making a statement. Moyes wants transfer money, he wants a striker and I think he's doing all he can to ensure he gets both.
People, I have been sitting through a decade of shit prior to Moyes coming to this club. Things have improved and if you can't see that then you are blind.
37 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:57:29
Anyone who thinks we should get rid or Moyes or would be better off without him is an Idiot.
38 Posted 29/12/2010 at 19:52:07
I do believe that Moyes has gone stale, but he is also tactically not good enough as top 4 quality managers. He can't get the consistently that the likes of Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, etc can. He has assembled a quality squad, but it's also proved his weakness that he can't get the best out of top quality players.
However, it's not just Moyes that is stale at the club, it's also Kenwright, the board, finances, corporate, merchandising. Unfortunately, the buck has to stop at the top, and although Kenwright's confidence and faith in Moyes is admirable, it's also ruining the club.
39 Posted 29/12/2010 at 20:27:06
40 Posted 29/12/2010 at 21:11:43
What i saw at Upton Park was one team trying to win the game but sadly lacking a clinical striker and not quite getting the rub of the green.
I have seen Everton play far, far worse and i'm sure i can't be alone in that. I'm not saying that makes it ok but to describe it as "a dreadful indictment of Moyes's current incompetence" seems a little over dramatic to say the least!!
Where does this god given right to turn up at West Ham and roll them over comfortably come from?
Everyone take a deep breath and quit the sensationalist headlines...please.
41 Posted 29/12/2010 at 21:42:51
Also Fellaini is class. How can you think he is a waste of $?
42 Posted 29/12/2010 at 22:01:09
Good debate but and this is only my humble opinion nobody will EVER be as bad as Walker!
And Fellaini certainly isn't a waste of money!
I will however state for the record that I posted on here several times over the past 2-3 years that Moyes had come to the end of the line.
Tactically inept,Thatcher like in his unwillingness to change or to accept the bloody obvious,and I also agree that maybe it's his coaching methods with strikers that has destroyed them as all the strikers mentioned had bloody good records before the arrived here.
It's predictable and painful watching the blues now.
Oh and just a thought our two recent improved performances at Citeh and Chelski were done without either Pienaar or Arteta something to mull over perhaps?
43 Posted 29/12/2010 at 21:55:20
"I mean last night wasn't great but was it really that bad?!"
Compared to memories of games in the 90s where we'd struggle to get a shot in at places like Derby, no, last night didn't seem too bad. It's because we're now controlling games, having most posession, and (crucially) expecting a good result in most games. So, yes, expectation levels have been raised under Moyes, we're almost back to where we, as Everton, see ourselves, but we don;t have the final piece of the jigsaw - the confidence, arrogance, belief etc that comes from winning something. I, for one, can't ever see us winning anything under Moyes, and I would not be happy to see us carrying on as also-rans for ever. Thank you Mr Moyes for getting us back to somewhere close, but to get there will either take someone else, or a big change of management style and tactics.
44 Posted 29/12/2010 at 22:07:24
My point is that the likes of yourself and certain others on here whip yourselves into mass hysteria the minute we have a bad result, yet the minute we have a good result, it's all 'let's wait and see, one game at a time'.
I go to the match home and away and have done for years, I see the full 90 minutes, I am around Evertonians at every match and spend many hour travelling to and from the match on the coach (a roundtrip of 12 hours to West Ham yesterday). It doesn't make me better than any Evertonian, but I am certainly not 'mental' and I certainly do know what I am talking about thank you very much.
Urging restraint and realism is not 'revisionist blather'. I'd rather be that way than make petty remarks, like 'Moyes is odds-on to replace Darren Ferguson'. Oh, how hilarious.
45 Posted 29/12/2010 at 22:12:24
Tranmere 0-3 @ Goodison? Middlesbro 0-3 in the FA cup?
...both under Smith.
Tell me another manager to take us into Europe 4 times? And do it on a budget of fuck and all?
46 Posted 29/12/2010 at 22:35:47
Whether he has taken us as far as he can is another question altogether.
47 Posted 29/12/2010 at 22:52:48
48 Posted 29/12/2010 at 23:20:07
Fact is each of us responds to what we see; again, you with the labels, though: "mass-hysteria" ? have you actually taken the time to read people's comments on here??? Most of the post-match analysis did not look favourably on the way Moyes managed his resources for this match, or how he had them playing.
49 Posted 29/12/2010 at 23:19:06
His overall time at the helm has veered from the sublime to the ridiculous, and to this I agree. The last week was a micro-cosm - away win against the odds with an excellent tactical approach (especially in the first 20 mins) followed by a defensive approach against a poor team that could only have resulted from a tactical brain freeze.
Kunal - I dont think your F1 analogy works in my book. There is a big difference with Moyes in that he actually constructed the car, putting together components and moulding into a top quality vehicle. As a manager, that is a big part of the job towards getting a team to success. The other part is team selection and tactics and this season, yes, he has failed on with this aspect on a number of occassions, but to overlook his team building is too one sided.
50 Posted 29/12/2010 at 23:34:38
51 Posted 29/12/2010 at 23:35:42
52 Posted 29/12/2010 at 23:46:25
That is the only part of this article that has got me even vaguely interested.
53 Posted 30/12/2010 at 00:28:32
54 Posted 30/12/2010 at 02:58:34
55 Posted 30/12/2010 at 03:08:40
I liked Billy Bingham but 11th and then a poor start lead to his sacking (can you imagine that now !!). Even Gordon Lee was considered a failure for only finishing 3rd and 4th - how times have changed...
56 Posted 30/12/2010 at 03:52:58
57 Posted 30/12/2010 at 08:05:37
58 Posted 30/12/2010 at 10:05:49
59 Posted 30/12/2010 at 10:43:53
Different times, indeed !
60 Posted 30/12/2010 at 10:55:47
As it stands, Bolton, Sunderland, Blackpool, Blackburn, Stoke piss on us from above as well as the re-jigged elite. We're fannying around the wrong end of the table, I said after the Man City "hard on" among the Moyes huggers, the table don't lie.
If you think this is acceptable look forward to Goodison half-empty, you idiots.
Enjoy half-empty Goodison if this shite continues.
61 Posted 30/12/2010 at 11:13:00
Worse than Walker not a chance. As for Smith unless he's managing in Scotland he is otherwise hopless. Many a sleepless night following our beloved blues when those two hopeless twats were in charge.
Moyes was a godsend when he first arrived. He got us back on track and stopped the rot. The problem with him now is he has run his course and should walk away.
As #28 put it, though, the board are hopeless and the club are broke so I don't see anything changing real soon. But things are no were near as bad as they were a decade ago ? that's just mental talk.
62 Posted 30/12/2010 at 11:51:44
63 Posted 30/12/2010 at 11:45:49
Lyndon is spot on with making it obvious that Moyes is no way whatsoever worse than Walker and Mr Disappointment (can't comment on Bingham as he was way before my time); however, "pound for pound" comparing to Walker and Smith if you like, Michael is spot on in the fact that Moyes's handling of his resources this season has been nothing short of shocking and totally unacceptable.
64 Posted 30/12/2010 at 12:31:25
His duff ones were Beattie, Krøldrup, Davies and Bily. And to be fair he moved them all pretty quickly when it didn't work out ? other than the flagging Russian.
He has gone through centre-forwards at a fair rate, the question is it better to keep or dump or get next to nothing for Saha, Yak, Vaughan...
One suggestion would be taking on an attack-minded coach ? as the current set up are all ex-defenders which can't help and may explain part of the problem.
However, without cash he had to cash in on someone last summer to generate the cash required to strengthen right wing and up front ? which would have been Rodwell, Jags, Arteta or Felli... A near riot would have ensued?
So, if you want to point the finger, point at the board. The team needs £20M spending on it for a decent striker and right winger ? and they can get their money back when we hit the next problem of the big Belgian not wanting to sign his new deal.
65 Posted 30/12/2010 at 12:35:33
If the dour Scot decides that there are no strikers out there that are good enough for us, then in my opinion he should leave the club in the summer. I read his comments the other day that it will be tough to bring anyone in who is better than what we have with feelings of anger and frustration. Does Moyes think Robbie Keane would not be more useful than Yakubu? Does Moyes think that Emmanuel Adebayor or Carlos Vela isn't any better than Beckford? The mind boggles!
66 Posted 30/12/2010 at 13:13:42
Hilariously spot on.
67 Posted 30/12/2010 at 13:01:35
Are we only meant to come onto Toffeeweb when we win, and praise the man?
After the Man city game he recieved loads of credit on here, from me, even from Tony Marsh, and that was because he deserved it, so when he fucks-up, he deserves to be criticised.
Also, you keep mentioning 'knee-jerk' ? well Simon, how can it be knee-jerk, when we are only 3pts above a relegation spot, and have only won 4 games from 19?
Also Simon, you go on to tell Michael "These are my VIEWS that I am ENTITLED to make" ? But then you go on and slag off Ian, with "You destroyed what credibility this article had with that ridicliously untrue title"
So you preach to Michael, about views and entitled, then slag Ian off for his VIEWS, that he is ENTITLED to ? just because the title didn't match your view.
68 Posted 30/12/2010 at 12:47:09
But I, like a few others, believe he has had his time. A manager cannot stay forever and by the looks of things he cannot take us any further and we are slowly going backwards.
Yes the league is tight and a couple of back to back wins would see us climb up, other way round and we are right back in the drop zone.
However, IMO the ends does not justify the means by starting a game with no recognised striker and then adding insult to injury, not doing anyting about it when it clearly was not working - until it was too late. I cannot imagine any other manager, in any division doing this.
Will see what happens in Jan if Pienaar, Yak, Heitinga etc go - am not holding my breath though as I cannot see the manager changing his negative ways.
Happy new year to all - small crumb of comfort in the Wolves win. Although would much prefer both the citys teams doing well rather than both doing shite.
69 Posted 30/12/2010 at 13:42:55
The difference is that Moyes has brought some talented FOOTBALLERS, Baines,Pienaar, Atreta etc., whereas Lee wanted to get rid of them, or "fancy-dans" like Duncan Mckenzie, who was (rightly) worshipped by many for his unrivalled skills. Like when he took the piss out of Tommy Smith. He scored one astonishing goal and Lee bollocked him for showboating. "I suppose you'd rather I'd missed" said Duncan. "Yes". said Lee. A miserable twat.
70 Posted 30/12/2010 at 13:41:04
71 Posted 30/12/2010 at 14:05:19
Man u are 16pts ahead, both with games in hand and a huge goal difference over us.
So it is irrelevant that our away record is better than Man u, and that we have lost the same number of games than Arsenal, because we are still only 3pts above a relegation place.
I could imagine you were saying after 10 games, that we would come good, and you expected us to climb the table???
72 Posted 30/12/2010 at 14:40:08
73 Posted 30/12/2010 at 14:59:28
The World Cup depressed me (big England fan) and this season is finishing me off. I've seen much worse times at Goodison but I can't remember ever feeling so flat!! Even after the Man City win I was still a bit pissed off. There is nowhere to go for us. Europa League football won't give us the money we need. We are a mile behind the top 4 this season. We play with no strikers against a team in the relegation zone!
Some girl just bagged me off 'cos she's getting back with her ex! I'am pissed off!!!! I'am goin' t'pub tonight!!!
74 Posted 30/12/2010 at 16:07:50
People did post concerns after the City game please read the article by Jim Hourigan. Quite a few people including myself expressed the same concerns that people are stating here.
75 Posted 30/12/2010 at 17:09:18
Ian Edwards follow up article, discussing UNICEF.
(equally as mental)
76 Posted 30/12/2010 at 18:39:03
77 Posted 31/12/2010 at 01:00:05
You're a Blue so I respect your opinion... but I also think you're totally wrong.
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