By far the biggest talking point this week, amongst all the anti-/pro-Moyes talk, has been his refusal to start a game with two strikers (in some cases with none). For years, Moyes?s adoptive formation has been 4-5-1, and, as many have pointed out, we have enjoyed a few seasons in the upper area of the table, being dubbed ?best of the rest? for some of those seasons.
With success (using the word very lightly) comes the problem of complacency. This article is not going to lament on the issue of funding the manager has had at his disposal, as this is only a valid cry during the transfer windows ? once the window is shut, you get on with the job. Back to complacency: Moyes does not see the need or have the vision to change from his tactic which has been worked out, and is failing miserably.
It was only a few seasons ago when 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 were the popular formations being used by most clubs, mainly because Chelsea won the title playing the latter. Sir Alex was playing 4-5-1 for a few months, with Ruud van Nistelroy the usual striker. This was after a season where Man Utd finished 3rd in the Premier League ? ask anyone from the Prawn Sandwich brigade if 3rd is an acceptable finish... It didn?t take long for the fans to turn on Ferguson and demand that he revert back to the classic 4-4-2. They chanted, they lobbied, they made him know they weren?t happy. What did he do? Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest manager the country has seen, listened, and did what his real employers asked for. He went back to 4-4-2 and within a year had broken a three year title drought (a long drought by United?s standards).
Moyes refuses to change, after years of the same old formation. The strikers he brought into the side aren?t suited to play his style, yet he persists in selecting the team around one of them getting a game, and the others being expected to spend 10 minutes cleaning up a mess that took 80 to create. If it is okay for Sir Alex Ferguson to admit he was wrong and change his tactics back to how the game was invented, then why is it okay for David Moyes not to admit defeat and try something (in his mind) new and exciting?
This week, Everton face Tottenham without the only goal threat, forcing Moyes to shuffle the side. Everyone knows how they want to see the team shuffled, with many people agreeing on some tactics and disagreeing on others. What everyone can probably agree on is this: everyone has a fair idea how Moyes will shuffle the side. He has already come out in the press begging the fans to show faith, a day after his post-match press conference claiming he thought he was doing the right thing even though results said otherwise. This gives it all away.
The result against Spurs is actually irrelevant. Sure, if Everton lose, the club could be in relegation territory when they take on Scunthorpe at the weekend. Avoiding relegation doesn?t come down to nicking points off the top teams, it comes down to beating the teams around you and at the bottom ? something Moyes needs to rectify over the next 18 games. What is relevant in this match is the way Moyes communicates to the fans via the team sheet and the way the players move on the field that he truly is the man that they want managing their club.
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:31:05
2 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:32:11
3 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:44:17
4 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:45:42
With his incresingly bizzare team selections im starting to wonder if Davey has an agenda. We know he wont walk away from 65k a week but, if he were sacked he would be in line for a nice big fat payout.
Sounds mad i know, but not as mad as Daveys team selections and his tacticts.
5 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:55:58
I always go with 2 up front against shit teams in Football Manager also. How can Moyes not see it when we can Roman, eh?
6 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:00:00
7 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:00:56
For Gods sake mate, if you're going to criticise Moyes, try to find something genuine like his fashion choices instead of making up crap and making yourself look like an idiot.
8 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:14:55
I wasn't stating a fact about Moyes, just wondering why he does what he does? Seems very strange to me.
Obviously not you though, so at least someone's happy. NSNO
9 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:46:40
Maybe they are changing all the pages ready for some big announcement, I think it could be 4-5-1 Fellani upfront and "Come on lads these are a brilliant team, let's try and get and 0-0, that will keep the natives happy, come on boys remember defend defend defend"
10 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:49:35
Now, I wonder if it'll work with Hibbo at CB...
11 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:52:28
Tonight I expect 4-5-1. Hibbert will start so we can call it a night early on. I will say it again, I would not let him cut the half time oranges unsupervised let alone start for our club.
12 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:52:38
I was sat with my manc brother in law watching United play 4-4-2 against West Brom on news years day and they were getting royally battered. The bro in law and his mate were screaming for SAF to change what was blatently obvious. They were being over-run in midfield and were hardly keeping possesion for a minute, SAF 'eventually' reverted to 4-5-1 Berba off, Hernandez on, rooney out to the left and they went on and won the game.
Its horses for courses is what i'm saying. Who would have though the league leaders having to revert to 4-5-1 to beat West Brom? If we play 4-4-2 tonight against them tonight we will get ripped apart. We dont have the quality they have.
We have been absolutely shite over xmas...hopefully tonight we can turn these over...I'd nearly forgotten how hard it can be supporting Everton..
13 Posted 05/01/2011 at 16:29:54
We cannot stand the absence of Cahill and Jags without it causing big problems at the front and back. Fellaini will no doubt be told to combat Crouch and DM will be working overtime trying to block the danger from Bale and Lennon.
He will not play untested youngsters against Spurs!!
14 Posted 05/01/2011 at 16:28:20
15 Posted 05/01/2011 at 16:52:50
16 Posted 05/01/2011 at 17:15:26
For example - Berbatov is one of the best strikers in the PL and Rooney is one of the best players in the world - you really cant compare them to Yak/Beckford/Saha/Anichebe............ meanwhile Rooney also tends to come in off the left or drop deep for the ball.....so it could be argued that SAF is playing 4-51.........if Moyes had both I'm sure he'd play both!!!
17 Posted 05/01/2011 at 17:55:10
Which just goes to show he should have done it against West Ham. Moyes rarely plans ahead in that way. He missed a similar chance to integrate Coleman in the side at right back last year when we were on a good run and had home games against weaker sides.
Having said that, I didn't see Hibbert as a liability at all against West Ham, I thought he did okay, and the own goal was just unlucky. The problem in the West Ham game was our failure to attack them, not the way our central defenders played.
18 Posted 05/01/2011 at 17:55:24
'This article is not going to lament on the issue of funding the manager has had at his disposal, as this is only a valid cry during the transfer windows ? once the window is shut, you get on with the job'
Naive, or just a bit daft
So the fact, and it is a fact, that Moyes hasnt had comparable funds to other clubs is only relevant in the transfer window? really?
So outside of the transfer window do the other clubs share their newly introduced top talent amongst the other teams? That would certainly provide us with an even playing field. Of course it matters if we havnt got or cant afford top players, it matters every single time they step out onto the pitch. All Moyes can do is get the best from his players. He isnt doing so at present ,but his record stacks up well.
As for Moyes apparent inability to adapt, I agree. I particularly lament the poor use of Heitinga. He may have limited resources but Davey boy should perhaps spend a weekend away with a few hippies, smoke a bit of something sticky and refresh his thinking.
19 Posted 05/01/2011 at 17:59:15
Bit like going gung ho 4-4-2 aaginst an on song midfield and potent attack like Spurs have. That'll really do it., what's that I hear people say? We'll get overrun in midfield while they score a bagfull. It'll never happen, they'll be so terrified by our upfront combination of - perm any two from four or five hopelessly out of form/unfit non-goalscorers - they won't dare come out at us.
Give me a break.
20 Posted 05/01/2011 at 18:18:50
"kneejerk overreaction". Is 10 years of stagnation and fuck ups not long enough for you? How many decades of mediocrity would you suggest we abide before reacting?
21 Posted 05/01/2011 at 19:16:48
22 Posted 05/01/2011 at 19:39:59
Over to you the players.........COYB
23 Posted 05/01/2011 at 19:57:10
24 Posted 05/01/2011 at 20:04:44
Surprise, surprise, he started with 2 strikers and Saha breaks his duck with in 3 minutes.
Faith has been momentarily restored. No Hibbo and 2 strikers!
25 Posted 05/01/2011 at 22:01:33
26 Posted 05/01/2011 at 22:39:59
27 Posted 05/01/2011 at 22:44:59
28 Posted 06/01/2011 at 00:52:22
My point was that we cannot criticise the manager endlessly when he has NET spend since Jan 2008 of roughly £0.00, now we find that he can't even bring a loan signing in without selling because we can't afford the wages! The company is pretty much bankrupt and that completly down to Kenwright and Co ? nobody else!
I am looking forward to analysing the latest accounts when they are published because they will show the Board up for what they are, asset strippers who are clueless, people who have left us with NO tangible assets ? not Goodison, not Bellefield, not Netherton and not Finch Farm. This is obviously only my opinion, but it's an opinion born from over 20 years working in finance and successfully running companies!
My point was that it is now that bad we need rid of Kenwright, Green and Earl if we are to survive, let alone prosper, which would obviously require a buyer. Oh, and what a great win for the Blue Boys tonight, fantastic, get in boys.
29 Posted 06/01/2011 at 08:04:22
Knock knock !
Mr Don? Mr Howard Don?
Good evening Sir, Humble Pie Home Delivery Service, we have your order.
1 Large Humble Pie, a portion of Sq. pegs in Sq. holes, a medium attacking intent. Hold the usual favourites, no Hibbo, Osman, no Jags... Oh and there is no Cahill to be found in the Country at present. Sorry but we only have 1 defensive midfielder... But, as a special offer to our regulars, due to having something to shout about we can supersize the crowd reaction for you.
30 Posted 06/01/2011 at 09:21:33
The best match we've played since the derby... Coleman was like Kanchelskis against Ekotto.
One happy Blue in the office today... couple of not so happy reds though..bliss.
Carlsberg dont do results to suit Manchester United..
31 Posted 06/01/2011 at 09:28:17
The School of Science played 2-3-5 and that was what I was taught at school.
32 Posted 06/01/2011 at 10:55:22
Don't forget Johnny Morrissey - the 4th man in the midfield 3
33 Posted 06/01/2011 at 12:25:15
34 Posted 06/01/2011 at 14:57:36
35 Posted 07/01/2011 at 07:59:47
A good pasting for the RS, Roy might go and if we are really lucky the serial quitter king kenny might get the nod
36 Posted 07/01/2011 at 13:20:04
Being so cheerful keeps me going!!
37 Posted 08/01/2011 at 17:44:40
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment to Fan Articles, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and MailBag submissions across the site.