[Please note that this is not legal advice and should not be construed as legal advice.]
I am a qualified solicitor. I, like many fellow Evertonians, am very frustrated at our current predicament. I am especially aggrieved at the way our club is run. I could produce a very long list but what I find totally disgusting (apart from the lies) is the loss of money our club makes from fatal errors. These being:
1. The Kings Dock fiasco (millions lost ? please someone quote a correct figure);
2. The Kirkby ground move (millions lost ? again please someone quote a correct figure);
3. The failure to offer Dan Gosling a contract (approximately £4 million lost on fees);
4. The failure to stop James Vaughan playing for a second team in one season, something most football fans know means that the affected player cannot move to another club (approximately £250,000 lost in a potential loan deal to Celtic).
I am sure there are similar losses but my point is this:
The Directors at Everton are under a legal duty to the company, which is interpreted as meaning the providers of capital, that is the shareholders. As such, a director has a duty of care and skill to the shareholders. I argue that the Board's failure in the above matters (and others) constitutes a breach of their duty. This means that a legal case could be brought by shareholders against the Board. Alternatively, this adds weight to the argument that certain (if not all) of the directors should be removed from office.
Furthermore, the sale of our assets both being land and players suggests that we are in dire financial crisis. Some may even say that we are close to being insolvent. Former colleagues of mine worked close to a former chairman of our Board who was adamant that Everton should be placed in to administration due to the financial crisis. A certain individual (who is still at the club) refused to allow this and forced out the other person. This leads me on to the point that there is a liability for wrongful trading in relation to directors where the company is insolvent and they ought to have recognised that fact. Again this constitutes Court action.
The insolvency issue is harder to prove. However, the first point is much easier to prove and a case of breach of the fiduciary duty of care can be brought by shareholders of Everton. Furthermore, the shareholders can seek the removal of Everton directors. Although I am unaware as to who owns what shares, I assume there are enough private shareholders out there for an action to be brought. The shareholders can either commence a litigious action against the Board for breach of duty (this would create major headlines) and/or the shareholders could seek the removal of directors by Ordinary Resolution at an Extraordinary General Meeting.
I won?t go in to the ins and out for this but there is a solution for change. All it takes is someone to identify the shareholders who support our action and to commence some form of action. Although this will not change the ownership of the club it might force those owning the majority of shares to sell their shares.
Please note that for the sake of my legal career, this is not legal advice and nothing I write is meant to be construed as legal advice whatsoever. If you do require legal advice, I recommend that you instruct a qualified solicitor.
Is there anyone out there who wants and has the time to start some form of action?
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1 Posted 25/01/2011 at 01:09:22
2 Posted 25/01/2011 at 02:33:18
I'm based in Melbourne, Australia, and I'm not a shareholder, so in terms of direct action, there's little I can do apart from contribute to discussions here and/or write letters to Ian Ross (Everton's PR lackey) that probably won't change anything.
However, I'd be willing to contribute where I can (editing, internet research, pamphlet design, etc). I don't mean to undermine your comment, Tony, but for there to truly be a "snowball effect", we need to take action.
I think it's safe to say that there are enough fans out there who are sick of the way the current board runs the club, and who'd be willing to contribute to some sort of class action suit or to participate in the removal of the current board in some way or other.
Not only that, it seems like we have the expertise within the community of Evertonians worldwide to really make this a reality.
Lyndon and Michael: is there some way a separate section could be created on the ToffeeWeb website that's dedicated to any action(s) aimed towards the removal of Kenwright and his buddies? I mean, talk of some form of action has been circulating on ToffeeWeb (and beyond) for some time now. It would be helpful if there was a webpage that was easily accessible from the front page of the website and which contained all relevant references and links on past history, ideas, actions, developments, etc, that could assist with the removal of Kenwright and Co.
Nonetheless, I guess the question that needs to be answered by us as a community first and foremost is: Are we prepared, truly prepared, to take the fight to them, come what may (especially considering there's probably a sizeable number of Evertonians who do not think Kenwright should be removed)?
3 Posted 25/01/2011 at 03:39:39
To start with, any litigation would require both time and money. Who is going to provide the funds? And do we have the time for this to go through the courts before we are in serious trouble as a club? Who would pay the legal fees for the Board? Presumably the club, further weakening an already weak situation regarding finances.
Nice idea and has merit but the only way out for this club is for Kenwright to find a buyer. It will happen eventually since Kenwright is not immortal. Hopefully it will happen before the club goes bankrupt.
4 Posted 25/01/2011 at 03:39:23
However to me the decision is not what's important.
I just like the idea of anything that gets the truth, - see Henry's 1-4 (AND the rest of the list) just for once, reported in the fucking Mirror or on Sky fucking news, or in any of the other putrid news organisations with their tongue up Bill's tea-towel holder.
Anyway, through sheer desperation, I would be happy to throw in 50 nicker into any 'fighting fund'.
"Everton shareholders sue Kenwright for neglect" - got to admit, it's got nice a ring to it and it would certainly wipe that smug, self-satisfied smirk off his fat, sweaty grid.
(Sun readers should look out for - "NIL SUE-TIS NISI OPTIMUM! King Toffee Bill Kenwright was yesterday chewed and spat out by Everton shareholders.." etc blah)
5 Posted 25/01/2011 at 05:03:56
1) The impotence of the Shareholders Association.
2) The insurmountable fact that any shareholder-based vote against the Kenwright cartel will always be overwhelmed by the Kenwright bloc, which consistently wins such votes by a huge margin.
At least they did when the club engaged in such democratic tomfoolery, in the good old days of AGMs and EGMs.
6 Posted 25/01/2011 at 05:43:27
For the record, point 1 & 2 are board responsibilities for which Kenwright and the directors are directly and personally responsible.
Points 3 & 4 are bad management issues (operational) for which Moyes and Elstone are responsible.
With respect to fiduciary duty of care, I think actually it is more likely that the directors may find that they are technically insolvent.
Interest rates will rise, as will the jobless numbers, (never mind the standard of football falling) all leading to higher borrowing costs and lower income. We appear to already be cost cutting so cuts in income or higher costs may well force the issue.
All a new owner has to do is wait.. it will get worse before it gets better.
7 Posted 25/01/2011 at 07:33:26
Which one is it?
8 Posted 25/01/2011 at 07:49:22
9 Posted 25/01/2011 at 07:59:08
There is only one way to get rid of Kenwright - protest. Make our feelings known at games and highlight in the press what a mockery he's making of our club. He needs to be completely discredited and the rest of the footballing world need to see him for the bungling buffoon he is.
At the moment Kenwright is under no pressure to move aside. As fans we can put him under pressure. I don't think it will take too much to make him squirm and see him on his way.
10 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:18:10
11 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:05:25
EFC tried and failed on two ground moves for different reasons, the first being we have no tangible benefactor offering us cash as a reasonable rate (Gregg wanted control for SFX and a large return which would have reduced EFC earning potential).
Kirkby was a good business model just in the wrong place, I said it from day one it should have been located in Walton Park but all things considered I would still prefer Kirkby to nothing. EFC can?t loan out due to football rules, he needed match fitness so it makes sense.
You conveniently fall to mention the record transfer buys in three consecutive seasons, massive wage payout to players like Cahill and Arteta £4 million each per year! Sales of players like Lescott, Johnson, Rooney which yielded us revenue close to £ 60 million. The EFC Academy and work in the Community which are copied across the world for its excellence, why not mention positive things about our club?
The fact is simple and I return to your post EFC spends far more money then it gets in so year on year we have to sell or borrow on assets available which to us includes players and infrastructure. Unless this gap is bridged be a new stadium or a wealthy benefactor then our future looks dire it?s a mathematic certainly. That?s the reason why NOBODY both on the board or outside have ever wanted and even hinted in taking over EFC without this issue being solved.
To sum up my defence, the facts lie in the accounts and when published you will see we are sliding even further in to this hole. Changing the Directors doesn?t change a thing, the problem lies we are a big club in our hearts but in reality we are mid to lower Prem at best. EFC problems are far larger than the egos of the current Directors. COYB
12 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:29:16
Firstly I think Moyes and Kenwright have previously done a very good job in stablising the club. Now I feel though changes must be made.
15 years since we last had silverware is not good enough. Finishing top 6 for a few seasons, FA Cup finalisits, high attendances at home, some European money and yet one of the poorest teams in the Premier League is not good enough.
Where is all the money going? Why is the debt still getting bigger when we don't spend? Why can Kenwright not attract investors yet over the years Newcastle, Man U, Villa, Leceister, Liverpool, Blackburn, Man City etc etc all have managed it?
I believe the reason we cannot find investors is because Kenwright is holding it up either through greed or something else. There is something drastically wrong at our great club and we don't get answers; I believe it's time now for either a demo at the games or chants for the board and Kenwright to step down. Moyes needs support our club needs investment. With things the way they are it will never improve.
Do you really want to tell your children that Everton were once one of the best teams in the land, in the 80s they helped dominate english football and then tell them that unfortunately we will never do it again? That, by following Everton, they are watching a team that will win nothing???
I'm calling on all fellow Everton fans to join the fight, get the board out, make Everton successful again. Lets not settle for also-rans anymore ? we are greater than this.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means nothing but the best... Prove it!
13 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:47:02
Having said that, something must be done. We as concerned fans who invest time, emotion and money into Everton FC need/want/are owed answers but are treated like the proverbial "shit on the soul of a shoe". A veto of Goodison Park is a start, it sets the ball rolling. This action would have to be publicised somehow so as not ot be misconstrued as an attack on the team or manager instead.
Time for the sleepers to be awoken from their slumber.
Kenwright, you have tried to silence us but now you will hear us roar. You will be made to feel like we do, uneasy, dejected and humiliated.
14 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:43:27
Football fans are not as naiive as people think. The truth will come out in the end, but I pray to our Lord that we have a knight in shining armour to help sort this mess out along with a global fan base, who have obviously been the sleeping giant that is slowly waking up. Fans can be reasonable and realistic as well as passionate dreamers. I fear for those yet to feel the wrath of an angry army of Evertonians who are slowly but surely building up a head of steam that will not be a pretty sight when the top blows off. Again, I pray to our Lord we win on Saturday.
15 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:03:08
a large scale match day demonstration however, once peaceful and organised, would attract the right kind of media attention. At the very least it would mean the board would have to answer some difficult questions.
16 Posted 25/01/2011 at 08:59:16
17 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:08:06
The club is not stable.
It is all smoke and mirrors, we havn't got a pot to piss in and my feeling is the fuse has been lit.
We all know the bastards across the park have a bigger debt than us but the one thing they have that we havn't is a solid buisness plan.
The club is a shambles and financialy bankrupt.
18 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:07:36
19 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:18:12
Our club is in a fincancial mess because of the way it has been run. Any other business in such a mess would have it's customers and shareholders asking quesitons of its directors.
I think we're the banking equivalent of RBS. Yes, we've been affected by the wider economy but the business dealings of an inept chairman whose economic gambles have not paid off are costing us massively. If only there were public bail outs for football clubs.
If we are struggling to find investment because of the level of our debt, whose fault is that? Who has run up this level of debt? How can Kenwright not be held responsible for that? He's the man in charge.
Unlike suggesting who might be a better manager than Moyes or might be a better right back than Hibbert, none of us have a clue who is out there who could do a better job than Kenwright. We can, however judge Kenwright on his record at Everton and it is so poor, he MUST be held accountable for it and there MUST be someone better at running Everton as a business than him regardless of whether they're a billionaire or not.
20 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:34:17
21 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:34:44
I doubt you or I could run the country but equally sure we have opionions of what's wrong with the way it's being run
"...the real problem of where the finance is coming from.."; how about where the finance has gone and is going? On whose watch?
22 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:58:07
I think Howard is right to point out that its all very well identifying flaws in the current regime but unless a better solution can be found then we may end up in an even worse position....
23 Posted 25/01/2011 at 09:40:49
Anyone who has read my comments in the past would know I'm fairly pro-Moyes, though I rarely get to a game as I live in the South. I made the West Ham game though and many things people are saying started to make sense - it was a real shock. There's no substitute for going to the game to judge a performance, the TV often paints a rosier picture.
24 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:01:05
Did Man City fans start chanting "Shinawatra out, are there any rich oil sheiks out there?". Phil is right, it's not our job. It's our job to realise the current regime is killing our club and demand some change.
25 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:04:34
26 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:10:31
27 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:21:06
On the transfer front, as debated on this site a few weeks ago, stats showed that since 2003 only a net GBP 3m p.a. had been spent on transfer...i.e. out of the entire budget the club was allocating only an out-flow of GBP 3m for the purchase of players...bearing in mind how important players are to the well-being of a club, the club was spending only approx 5% of annual turn-over...in most industries the average capital investment is 10% of sales...
On the wage bill, if I recall correctly we had the 10th highest turnover in the league and something like the 10th highest wage bill (someone please correct me if I am wrong). So whilst we were not under-spending on wages, bearing in mind we were hardly spending any transfer money its not like the Board were saving on transfers to pay out big wages and keep key players tied up - Steven Pienaar a case in point.
I dont believe a legal challenge will amount to much. If anything, it might scare off potential investors.
Real change will come (my guess) in one of 3 ways:
1 - An outward demonstration of supporter discontent, which the publicity hungry BK will be mortified with.
2 - Wrangling between BK and his backers
3 - Resignation of Moyes, who has kept our head above water without demanding more from the Board to match his ambition. I am an admirer of the job he has done over the last 9 years or so but if he was truly ambitious by now there should have been a public ultimatum issued - no one who is seriously ambitious can live with the stagnancy we have experienced this season....
28 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:42:29
Things haven't been great this season but we are still a Premier League club last time i checked, many clubs that have made the kind of sweeping changes you talk about have found themselves plummeting down the leagues as a result.
History is littered with people who clambered for regime change and got something worse!!
Andrew, i take your point. A change may well be good. I very much hope it would be. We just can't presume to know either way for sure.
29 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:38:32
I miss the old cushion-throwing days and have no idea how to get the "get real, we know our place, we're skint, we were worse under Johnson" support to take any action against the current Board; or who should replace the directors
I'm a project manager and appoint project colleagues on prior performance, demonstrated ability and availability
As regards helping the club financially, one idea often proposed here and elsewhere is to offer a rights issue with or without a vote at the (now-defunct) AGM
That has always been seen as diluting the existing Board's shares value and, therefore, a non-starter - bit selfish, I think
30 Posted 25/01/2011 at 11:03:15
31 Posted 25/01/2011 at 11:52:20
It's patronising to say your fellow Evertonians are so ill-informed that they are 'knee-jerking'. This isn't knee jerking, it's been building for years. Ever since we finished 4th, Kenwright has let us down.
There is no way anyone is happy with the state of our club. To not hold our current owner accountable for that makes you as bad as Kenwright. And to use this excuse that we might end up in a worse situation with another owner is crap. I'm surprised anyone with that view ever leaves the house in case something bad might happen. There are people out there who can do a better job than Red Bill.
I feel my duty as an Evertonian is to make sure the club is preserved for my daughter's generation and generations after that. If you just bury your head in the sand and pretend everything's okay then you aren't just letting the rest of us down, you're letting down every future generation Evertonian. I feel sick to the pit of my stomach when I look into the future with Red Bill still in charge.
32 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:18:37
Alan i sympathise with this. Of course i feel the same.
What will you say to the future generations if after a hasty change we end up controlled by a Ken Bates esque figure who bleeds us down to the second division?
I am not saying that we shouldn't consider change but i think we have to do so rationally and with an idea to what the alternatives are. Anything else is rashness.
33 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:22:47
But the problem is Moyes silence was bought by his nice contract from Mr Kenwright.
34 Posted 25/01/2011 at 10:48:28
The Evertonians have been incredibly patient, but I believe the events of this window will prove to be the final straw.
I`m not sure legal action will be required. a match day crowd is far more difficult to silence than a group of small shareholders.
Anymore days like Saturday will see an escalation of Saturdays unrest. The desperate to be loved Kenwright will not stick around to witness it
35 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:42:02
4. The failure to stop James Vaughan playing for a second team in one season, something most football fans know means that the affected player cannot move to another club (approximately £250,000 lost in a potential loan deal to Celtic).
to be fair, there is a bit of speculation on these two points. Some taken from newspaper reports that you DON'T HAVE TO believe.
Would we have got £4 million for Gosling minus losses on his wages while crocked? I doubt it.
Did Everton actually play Vaughan having forgotten the two-team rule? Maybe it was already decided Palace or no-one. Remember, as yet there is no new satriker, and as such Vaughan should not be allowed to leave.
Those specualtions aside, some fair points. But I would only cite King's dock, and Gosling. For the latter, I doubt it cost us £4 m, probably £2 m - still for us a fair amount; For me, Kirkby was a legitimate venture that was lost. But King's Dock was an unmitigated disaster that potentially will cost the Club far more than the supposed £4 m for Gosling.
36 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:41:56
37 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:01:34
The only thing we can all agree on its been a crap season and we need to buy some proven quality players. Everything else including this post is at best guesswork and at anidle speculation.
38 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:04:48
Roberto DK was never a legitimite venture, it had a seriously flawed business plan and was sold on a bed of lies:
World Class Stadium - cow shed
Off Field Capabilities - erm yeah giving it to KMBC for free
Most Accessible stadium - if you walked or cycled ten miles
Others worth noting -
50k stadium reduced to 40 odd strangely because Kirkby only has 40 odd thousand residents so it could not possibly take the throughput, QED could never be expanded
Almost free - last guess was over £70m, where was that going to come from?
It was called in by the government who quite correctly spotted a bad plan when they saw iot and put it's miserable life to the sword.
The project itself cost the club literally millions in consultancy fees, I'd guess more than we have sold Pienaar for.
39 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:50:47
40 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:21:12
41 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:28:26
I'll admit now I voted for Kirkby, but after it got fucked off and when the actual truth became evident in the aftermath, I was not only indeed made a complete tit out of for voting, but also my respect and support for Kenwright rapidly diminished from then on.
Time for a change Blues.
42 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:21:40
Point 2, If I was a banker responsible for the clubs debt I'd look at that turn of events as a pretty bad one, I might even call in my loans and make the club insolvent.
Point 3 if either you or the banks did push everton into insolvency we loose premiership points and find ourselves bottom of the league at the end of january, then relegated, our best players would leave for considerably less than their market value.
Point 4 is this - aside from a benefactor the only things that will keep everton afloat are a sucsessful youth policy that allows us to develop young players to sell at a profit, or a manager who can identify young talent buy it cheep and develop it for the benefit of the team and ulitmately a profit. That seems to be what this board have invested in with finch farm and what the current manager is very good at. Even if the club continues to be sucsessful at those things it may take years to put right the financial position of the club and the secure the funds for a proper stadium development. In the mean time we will have seasons like this one, and may have to step backward to move forward.
43 Posted 25/01/2011 at 12:48:28
Our club is in a fincancial mess because of the way it has been run. Any other business in such a mess would have it's customers and shareholders asking quesitons of its directors.
er, have you checked out the banks over the past few years?
44 Posted 25/01/2011 at 13:51:36
Given the man's audacity and bullshitisms I have less and less reason to believe that Everton haven't been approached about being SOLD, not invested in for some ridiculous non-return but actually SOLD. Football is a globally marketed product especially the EPL, a club with significant pedigree that could potentially be had for a song must be attractive to a potential buyer be they black, white or green with yellow polka dots, as long as they are business people they will have more of an idea of turning coin than BK has proven not having.
45 Posted 25/01/2011 at 14:11:31
A football club will never be bailed out by the tax payers as they are privately ran companies with little or no effect to the general economy.
46 Posted 25/01/2011 at 14:14:16
It seems that rumours are mounting now in the football world that the club is in serious financial difficulties..
Huge very basic mistakes have been made.
The dan gosling free transfer is inexcusable and no amount of spin from the club can defend losing us a load of money over who was responsible for contracts.
The best way forward is protest and let our board know that what is going on off the field is not acceptable and we should demand to know what the asking price for the club is.
Organised civil protest will do the trick in getting us some answers.
47 Posted 25/01/2011 at 14:38:00
Nobody but Nobody wanted Everton when Johnson did one, thats why Kenwright was able to gain control for a song .
During that Kenwrights tenure our status as one of Englands elite clubs has gone , our stadium has gone into further decline and our debts have soared . . so why are you so convinced somebody wants to buys us now ?
48 Posted 25/01/2011 at 15:02:43
They way I see it, the main problem is the lack of investment from the board to enable the manager (whoever that may be) to buy any half decent players to compete with the top teams. I accept at the moment that we ain't gonna match United, City, or Chelsea but what Moyes has had to suffer over the last few years is ridiculous.
So, for me, the main issue must be to put pressure on Kenwright and his hidden cronies to back the manager financially to compete. I have despaired of Moyes a lot of the time over the years but I believe if this campaign turns into a "Moyes Out" it will lose a lot of people who otherwise would be firmly behind it.
Let's get the board to back Moyes, if he fails with investment then that's a separate issue. So we concentrate on the board, and this struggle will not be over in a short time. It will be a long struggle. But as concerned Evertonians if we don't start and persevere then I'm, afraid the club will die a death of 1000 cuts.
So big kudos to the computer literate (counts me out) lads who have got this ball rolling. In the beginning we would be thought of as a minority of cranks but I believe that minority will grow to a majority. Early aims must be to get all the fan sites to be united in this action. As time goes by we can target the media and bombard the main board, players websites, Facebooks etc. It is time to go on the attack.
People may say "What's the point?) The point is, if you love Everton football you can't just do nothing and let the club fade away. Our mission statement is along the lines of :"Invest or sell NOW!!!!" Anyone who disagrees with this statement, ask them why? Media flunkies, ex-player flunkies... ask them do they think it's right the financial backing Moyes has had. Put the pressure on them to put pressure on the board we must corner Kenwright on this one.
As the late great John F Kennedy said, "Ich bin ein Evertonian"
49 Posted 25/01/2011 at 15:08:18
We have a situation where the alternative is what exactly? Doing nothing is what BK has done for over a decade and look at the business, leave BK in control and what will happen Dave? We all know BK is potless, have done for a number of seasons now, just saying it and doing nothing is not the answer, change is the answer no matter how painful as the alternative appears to be bankruptcy which will see Everton out of the EPL with no visible quick return.
50 Posted 25/01/2011 at 15:57:40
For the record, if it meant it would take the club on further, like Eugene Ruane#4 I?d donate to a fighting fund or even show my arse in Lewiss? window. But I don?t think I?ll be getting naked any time soon
51 Posted 25/01/2011 at 16:01:41
Jack walker invested millions into Blackburn he gave them a stadium that was always going to be large enough for them and Man City were handed a magnificent stadium on a plate so no, its no real surprise.
But we`re Evertonians so lets just talk about us.
I`m as alarmed as you about the current situation, I would dearly love to see a wealthy or even capable business man step in and solve our problems. The reason I asked the question is the most likely senario doesnt seem to be getting addressed.
People think things can't get any worse, but they can. What if the fans turn on Kenwright, I mean really turn on him, and drive him from Goodison... and then the imaginary que of people lining up to take control doesn't exist? What happens if nobody wants to know?
What would be the next move? ... he`d still have control.
52 Posted 25/01/2011 at 17:20:57
Secondly and I have made a similar point on a different article on this site, when Moyes has had money to spend he hasn't spent it well. The Rooney fee being a case in point: Beattie, Van der Meyde, Krøldrup, Valente and Davies alone cost £20M, we got £12M of that back and not one of those players made any sort of impact.
When Lescott was sold, Bily and Heintinga were bought for nearly £16M yet, when Moyes has a full strength team to choose from, both are on the bench at best.
Most teams only buy when they have sold; Villa were only able to secure Bent's signature through the sale of Milner to City. Spurs' big signings came from the sale of Berbatov to Utd. With the exception of City most clubs no longer can go out and buy whoever they like as they end up like Portsmouth and Leeds.
Moyes could have sold players in the summer for positions he desperately needed, ie central midfielder, winger and centre forward. Instead, he chose to go into the new season with what he had, playing the same old boring negative tactics and we have the results of that decision before us.
If the press and players are to be believed there was proper interest in Jagielka, Arteta, Heitinga, Peinnar, Saha, Yakubu, Rodwell and Billy. All could have been replaced and if Moyes had of bought wisely those positions needed most would have been filled.
I am no Kenwright apologist, in a lot of ways he is as bad as what Marsh and Johnson were but Moyes shouldn't be allowed to hide behind our financial position for his own inadequacies.
53 Posted 25/01/2011 at 18:30:02
Also football was different when Johnson went, it was nowhere near as lucrative as it is now hence why only Kenwright was interested.
I really don't think we have any option now, we're fucked anyway if we stay with Kenwright in charge. It's not that we're just going to stay a mid table side, it's that we are heading towards administration. That's why everyone is starting to turn on him. I just don't see what other action we can take than demand Agent Bill goes.
54 Posted 25/01/2011 at 19:33:21
Are you joking guys, who the hell will you replace them with, if you want them out so badly then provide an alternative to what we already have?
All the conspiracy about rejected bits is utter tosh, where are these people now?
Nothing but conjecture and hearsay from people once again
55 Posted 25/01/2011 at 19:42:40
First, as pointed out above, it would very difficult to convince a judge (unlesse he were a Blue;-)) that serious mismanagement occurred in the instances that you state. Secondly it would take money and, especially, time, and the latter is a commodity in very short supply.
I'm afraid it will have to be an ugly fight, people will have to be prepared to boycott matches, constantly to chant "Out with the Lot!", and similar other methods.
Still, thanks for you interesting piece.
56 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:08:10
Jack Walker's millions got them what exactly in comparison to Everton? He bought the title once many many years ago and they've done nothing since, they have a smaller stadium, a lesser squad, despite his spending and donation from the grave they still can't average attendances anywhere near 30,000 yet found buyers.
Robert, the trouble with hearsay as you point out is that its mere conjecture with no compelling evidence. Oddly enough that sounds exactly like what BK has fed the fans for the last decade; conjecture, hearsay, lies, smoke and mirrors and theatrical guff.
57 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:17:34
And at the same time, turn your backs on him while standing up for five minutes; the media will be interested.
58 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:32:56
59 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:54:05
"All the conspiracy about rejected bids is utter tosh, where are these people now?"
"We are talking to three parties at the moment, but we had talks with people last year and when it came down to it, they didn't have the money." ? Bill Kenwright.
Robert, where are these people now?
60 Posted 25/01/2011 at 22:07:27
I understand all the recognition and respect BK got for getting us rid of the Agent, and I also cheered when he took over. But the record speaks for itself, and one mustn't forget that your neighbour's new car is also a factor in how poor you feel ("neighbour", in this instance, refers to people like Blackburn, Sunderland and Bolton, all "unfashionable" clubs doing very nicely indeed).
BK himself has said that he would sell, has said that the club needs investment and he can't provide it. We've all seen all sorts of clubs being sold since he's been the chairman, so, not to put too fine a point on it, he's not really a very good salesman, I daresay.
To show him in no uncertain manner that we've had enough will hopefully improve his sales acumen. Let's do it, then!
61 Posted 26/01/2011 at 01:23:57
What a load of shite. Some of us have been calling for Kenwright to go for fucking YEARS lad.
62 Posted 26/01/2011 at 04:24:55
I know that I am going to get lambasted for this, but I sometimes think that going into administration and/or getting relegated will be the next best thing to happen to us, the best being purchased by some benefactor with business acumen. Going 'Pompey' will surely bring all the mismanagement out in the open and force Kenwright and his cronies to answer some very uncomfortable questions.
With regards to the 'Who will buy us then?' question, as long as Kenwright is in charge and 'looking for investment 24/7', we will never find a buyer. If people are willing to invest in Blackburn and Birmingham, I don't see why nobody would be interested in Everton, a club with a proud history and who are superior in terms of league standings.
Meanwhile, I urge all season ticket holders to give the upcoming FA Cup tie a miss. Let's show our useless and unaccountable board that the fans are not to be taken for granted.
63 Posted 26/01/2011 at 08:16:32
Whether you like him or not, this weekend is not the time to protest, first thing we must do is retain our place in the Premier League; thereafter, you can have your protest.
What you must also realise is your actions will devalue the club short-term; long-term... who knows?
BK has made mistakes, even he admits that, but this is about EFC and, unless we have a Plan B or even the wind of a new investor, the whole protest serves no purpose.
I was appalled with the actions of the students in London but at least they had a goal which was to stop the vote in the Commons so their actions could have aided a change of mind. Whereas strikes like the BA staff and London Tube staff are completely motivated by personal politics and selfish greed with the interest of the company secondary, I do hate that red shite Tony Woodley!!
My point is simple, protests are fine but they must have an end product and other than moving BK aside (he would still own 28%) none of us have the answer to solve EFC losses year on year. Everton FC is bigger than any one of us individually; it?s a way of life ? our way of life ? so be careful with it. COYB
64 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:24:12
I wanted to leave other teams out, especially Blackburn, because they cannot be compared to us, they are a much smaller club in a smaller town. However, Jack Walker left them on a sound financial footing with an perfectly adaquate stadium, two very good reasons why a "smaller" investor would be interested. We on the other hand have suffered over 20 years of inertia.
When your imaginary buyer gives Kenwright his pound of flesh, he will still have a £200M stadium problem to solve and he will of course inherit the ever spiraling debt... at what point do you expect the purchase to become "lucrative"?
It always amazes me how people who claim they won't ever believe a word Kenwright says, suddenly want to hang onto his every word when he tells them he is inundated with inquires... what's all that about?
65 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:39:25
Also, this weekend is the perfect time to protest because it's a cup game, it has nothing to do with the league or "preserving our league status".
To just sit tight and do nothing will still see Everton on the road to ruin. That is why we must take action. To be rid of Kenwright, Earl and Green will see Everton on safer financial footing. Liverpool, Villa, Sunderland, Birmingham and Blackburn are all benefitting from new investment so for every bad example there are better examples. I think at the moment it's worth the risk because we're heading into oblivion anyway.
66 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:54:01
Your attitude scares me because we're screwed if we stay as we are.
67 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:59:48
This window is proving the final straw for many Evertonians, a growing number want Kenwright gone... but protest? Na, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If you believe the majority will participate in protest, you do not know the Evertonian. If you believe banner protest protests will magic up a buyer then go ahead, knock yourself out.
If you are right I`ll be the first to congratualate you.
68 Posted 26/01/2011 at 10:31:14
The staff at Everton, Elstone, Bowen, Shelston, Ward are not upto scratch, and have about as much go in them as Nyarko or Bilic had as players for us.
69 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:45:28
If you are accepting of the fact that we might have to take a step backward to move forward, then doesn't getting points docked, relegated, starting from the ground up with a fresh new board, new manager, new players etc. also fall under that category?
I'm all for any course of action that would relieve Bill Kenwright of his trainset. We're never gonna win anything under his stewardship anyway, so what difference does it make either way? I'd rather take a chance on change than put up with the status quo.
70 Posted 26/01/2011 at 15:32:42
You say you want BK out but to replace him with who? These so-called rich benefactors just desperate to buy the club and turn us into a successful team are lining up where? Do you honestly think not one of them would have gone to the press to complain about BK? For instance wanting to keep his so-called train set, how much he actually wants for the club, or the numerous clauses that he has inserted for any potential buyer that so many clued-up fans seem to know about?
If Everton were challenging for a Champions League place there is no way these discussions would be taking place. When we got to the final in 09 despite the fact we had so many injuries and the only signing being Fellaini nobody was preparing a protest at his stewardship, other than you and your mates obviously.
71 Posted 26/01/2011 at 18:14:03
BK leaving GP or not even attending doesn?t change a thing; we still have no cash and no investment so all you would have done is air your dirty washing in public and we all lose. The problem is bigger than BK now and we have to deal with this reality; blaming or even mob rule is just ridiculous and only benefits the protesters feeling better.
Man Utd's owners have been treated terrible yet the company is run well and is moving forward as a successful business but the blinkered fan can?t see that. Man Utd in the next year will own all the land around Old Trafford, about an additional 10 acres, which has cost them £50 million plus, what owners do that unless they wish to expand?
Emotion is fine when we go the match but in business it?s a weakness, all open-minded fans can see EFC issues and we have done ok considering, yes just ok. Things can get a lot worse than what we are feeling today ? just chat with any Sheffield, Leicester, Portsmouth, Leeds, Ipswich, Southampton, Charlton, Middlesbrough fan ? and many more you wish to add.
Be careful what you wish for ? it may come true; on your head be it. COYB
72 Posted 26/01/2011 at 19:28:02
You are banging your head against a brick wall trying to get through to some Evertonians.
Everything is great, Bill is great, Moyes is great, change is bad. Standing still is safe, is best.
God help us if we take a chance and win something as the rising expectations may undermine the safety.
73 Posted 27/01/2011 at 00:05:56
Kenwright has destroyed our club, left a manager in charge who is incapable of taking us any further. Our club will be in ruins.
Why have the accounts taken so long to publish? Scared that we will be the next Pompey? We all want action but of course we are Everton. We don't do anything about it.
Avoid the games, we're in debt anyway. Remember Chelsea were once sold for £1 and look what they transformed into!
74 Posted 27/01/2011 at 00:37:47
'Nobody but Nobody wanted Everton when Johnson did one, that's why Kenwright was able to gain control for a song.'
A couple of links for you:
75 Posted 27/01/2011 at 11:09:56
Anyone else heard this?
76 Posted 27/01/2011 at 19:06:30
77 Posted 27/01/2011 at 21:55:32
78 Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:34:18
I get the feeling that you feel the need to subtly defend Bill Kenwright at all costs, all these sound bites such as ?emotion is fine when we go the match but in business it?s a weakness? and ?be careful what you wish for?. I have to admit my belief is that Bill Kenwright shouldn?t be chairman nor should he be on the board, his actions, I believe, have forfeited that honour, I?ve previously explained the reasons in more detail. You?ll never find me calling him names or anything like that, believing he?s the devil incarnate or hating him, it?s just that I fully believe that during the next board meeting if you were to stick your head out of the door and call for Betty the tea lady and install her as chair, nobody would know the difference; in fact she?d be better as she perhaps wouldn?t be taken in by shysters and in doing so cost the club millions!!
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