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11 reasons to give up on this EFC board

By Ged Alexander :  31/01/2011 :  Comments (43) :
11 reasons to give up on this EFC board:

1. We are in massive debt.

2. There has been no progress on a new/improving the stadium.

3. There is no attempt to think out of the box on the pitch or off it. No inspired 'clever' signings, no clever business acumen to attract new owners.

4. Bill Kenwright has clearly given up - his ego is the fuel that keeps him going.

5. HIs co-board members never say or do anything.

6. Fans are voting with their feet with atetndances down.

7. We have sold almost all of the non-playing assets ? bad business thinking.

8. The manager has made significant mistakes believing that his squad was CL material this year. He kept Bily, the Yak and timed his sale of Pienaar badly. Yet the board has said nothng, done nothing to indicate they'd had a quiet word about his performance.

9. There is no sign of genuine enthusiam and drive about selling the club.

10. Sir Philip Carter is still on the board. Old, tired and dull.

11. We don't take the Carling Cup seriously when it is our best chance of winning something.

Subs. Apathy, Lazy thinking, Lack of Imagination, Poor negotiating skills with the local councils, Ian Ross (nuff said).

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Brendan Duffy
1   Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:54:11

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I totally agree, what a useless shower of tits. I don't wanna be a killjoy but we will be fighting relegation until May, I'm seriously sickened, what a total disgrace. I feel sorry for Moyes; Kenwright ? hang your head in fucking shame.
John Waugh
2   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:02:53

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And yet the apologists for Bullshit Billy are still there, incredibly.

If you want rid then let them know on Saturday. This has to stop as we are becoming a laughing stock.

Ray Griffin
3   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:16:12

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I totally agree with a previous poster that man that should be in front of Sky?s cameras to explain our total lack of investment in this future of this club/company/business is the man entrusted with making sure Everton FC can compete at the present level.

The complete failure of Bill to get any interest in a buyer for the club is very worrying my personal opinion is that he doesn?t want to let go and give it up. I have never, ever agreed with Phil Thompson on anything but last Saturday he actually made sense for once when he stated that Everton were one of two clubs in Britain that should be top of the list for potential buyers (Leeds in the Championship being the other)/ He?s right, absolutely! A great worldwide following, great manager, good squad, great youth set-up etc ? just need one thing, money, and even then not mega-millions

How is it that Blackburn get the chicken farmers, Villa, Birmingham, West Ham, QPR, Man.City all have had new investment since we finished 4th in the Premiership?

Move outta the way Bill, the club?s far bigger than you & will be around long after you?re gone?

David Cornmell
4   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:25:25

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@ Ray Griffin {Post 3}

Right on. Couldn't agree more.
The reaosn the club has not been bought is because it's not for sale.
Thompson is an idiot BTW; Leeds are in a much worse fiscal position than we are.
Michael Coville
5   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:14:45

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Well the supporters are talking. I believe we only had 28,000 for a cup game verses the holders. Having been at the Man. United cup game on 14 February 1953 which was four days before my 14th Birthday, the attendance was 77,920. What a difference a lifetime makes.
Gavin Ramejkis
6   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:28:31

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Where's David Thomas asking about your protest? He seems to have a fetish for that question...
Andrew Laird
7   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:24:54

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However inept, clueless, inane, egotistical, detrimental, dim-witted, business incompetent he is, he is a "blue like us". That is the only thing not swaying the masses; what a fucking joke, why can Evertonians not see the man is killing the club?

If he was a fan like us, why does he not sell his stake in the club for the same he bought it for (+ a little interest) to ANYONE with a track record of how to run a business successfully? Surely this would be the action of a "real" fan. Let's face it, the guy is only a fan of Bill Kenwright and his puppeteers with short arms and deep pockets.
John Shaw
8   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:28:24

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There is a world of difference between 'looking for investment' and 'looking for a buyer'.

The first is looking for some muppet to put money into the club but trust you to use it well, the second is looking for somebody to take over the running and ownership of the club.

As the Kirkby inquiry proved, neither the Board or Kenwright have been doing the second, so it begs the question, if you had mega bucks, would you trust Kenwright with it?

No, didn't think so, neither would I.

Until the Board issue a statement saying that the club is up for sale and appoint a corporate agency to find a buyer we will forever be stuck with this shower of inept useless arses!
Steve Sweeney
9   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:40:16

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It has been a really miserable January. I have come to hate the transfer windows.

I have been voicing my loathing for what BK has done and continues to do to my Everton for at least 5 years.

I have at times taken a lot of stick, told to behave, the man is a blue, watched from the Boys Pen etc. Moyes needs to grow some balls and tell it how it is. Hang the fucker out to dry before he does it to you Davey Boy.

After the last two days, I am in total despair for Everton. Kenwright has got to be made to realise that we will not take this anymore. After today that man can have no love for Everton Football Club. Now will you believe me!!!

I wish I knew what the answer is, I just know that Kenwright has got to go. I just hope I never bump into him because I would probably be done for assault. God I hate that man.

Brian Waring
10   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:41:14

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I think now, surely BK has no choice but to come out and make some sort of statement. I know the administration rumours were way off the mark, but what's gone on lately, only adds fuel to the fire: players out, none in.
Trevor Lynes
11   Posted 31/01/2011 at 23:46:08

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The best protest from the fans is a 'stay away' amount of article writing is going to change things.

I have watched right through this transfer window and saw players like Sturridge loaned out to Bolton and almost every club showing activity. Our club is a pathetic shambles and DM has been made to look a stupid liar by promising us at least two or three loan signings plus a statement that Pienaar would be made to see out his contract. Both statements have been false and now I see that about 6 players have been loaned out.

The best way to actually protest is a one match boycott... BK knows he needs bums on seats as this fact remains both in theatres and football stadiums. We will not shake this man unless we demonstrate properly and not just pen articles and parade around with posters.

Our club is being allowed to die and we are expected to suffer.

Kieran Kinsella
12   Posted 01/02/2011 at 00:24:41

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I don't understand why no one in the media ever puts BK on the spot about his lies? Why does he get an easy ride when the media are all over other owners?
Roman Sidey
13   Posted 01/02/2011 at 02:12:57

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Kieran, it's because he's got mates in the media (namely the Echo) and he uses them in his plan to mask how badly he is running the club. Anyone with any knowledge in business would look at EFC and see an outdated approach, and really poor strategies of generating revenue.
Liu Weixian
14   Posted 01/02/2011 at 02:50:42

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I have to disagree with you on point 8. Bily is too talented to be sold. The Yak should not be loaned out. Pienaar should be offered wages on par with Arteta's, with Anichebe offloaded to free up wages.
Roman Sidey
15   Posted 01/02/2011 at 03:44:22

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Liu, aggree whole-heartedly about Bily, which anyone who has read any of my posts knows that I do have a crush on him. But I don't think Pienaar should have been given parity with Arteta. Given, Arteta has been out of form, but he's been around a lot longer than Pienaar, and that is one of the first rules of contracting players.

I'm going to get skinned alive here, but I didn't rate Pienaar as high as most. He could make a pass and cross a ball fairly well, but had no shot on him and was always sulky and went down at the slightest touch. Was happy to see him go but wish we had have sold him six months earlier to get more out of him.

Alan Williams
16   Posted 01/02/2011 at 07:59:49

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Ged, easy to criticize from your arm chair, your post does nothing than state the obvious and it sums up just how fickle footy fans are.

1. Most, if not all clubs are in debt.

2. They have tried on several occasions spending millions in the process but failed on both occasions for different reasons.

3. We have no money, and EFC have employed Mr Harris to sell EFC... he is one of the most respected in this trade yet he has found nobody.

4. That?s your opinion not a fact.

5. Very true but maybe they are realistic about our situation and understand the facts that we spend more than we get in.

6. FA Cup game only, PL still holding up in and around average.

7. We had no choice; we had to do this to generate income to back record buys and record wage deals to the players.

8. The board backed the manager and on paper gave us the best squad in years with massive pay rises, isn?t that good Management?

9. Frustration is probably more appropriate and nobody seems interested due to the amount of cash that is needed to restart the old lady and team.

10. I agree, brings no added value at to the party.

11. EFC has never won this cup in our history so difficult to blame that on the current board.

Subs, EFC got snubbed by LCC on several occasions, Bellefield is an example of lost revenue; yes, both sides should have been chatting more, but I hold LCC just as much in contempt as EFC.

Blaming the board is easy: Yes, they have made errors but, when your future is held up by credit and loans, you don?t have the ability to make decisions on a long term basis without sold guarantees of which we have none.

The Grantchesters had the wealth to back us on KD and didn?t, they have the wealth to clear our debt, they even have had on several occasions the chance to buy out shares that would leave BK with no option but to stand aside and they have chosen to sit and do nothing. Maybe people should direct their anger at people who can actually make a difference it would be far more productive. COYB

Richard Dodd
17   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:15:56

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Spend, spend, spend ? otherwise everyone at the Club is incompetent. What a bunch of wallies we have amongst our supporters!
Dave Lynch
18   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:25:02

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Richard Dodd, the voice of Reason.

Phil Bellis
19   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:33:49

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The lad should be sectioned... unbelievable!
Andy Crooks
20   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:33:57

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Steve Sweeney, you are spot on. The biggest service David Moyes could do the club is to publicly denounce Bill Kenwright. This man has destroyed the club.
Jamie Rowland
21   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:31:04

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Andy Crooks. No, Bill Kenwright has not destroyed the club at all. The board's (as a collective) lack of money is a worry. But it's not a destroyed club.

Bill Kenwright is an owner of shares at the club. Jon 'woody' Woods (who used to make reception desks!) is an owner of shares at the club. Robert Earl is an owner of shares at the club...

There are also several others who are owners of shares at the club -? the majority of which voted Bill Kenwright in as Chairman. They all had their own reasons for this.

Not one of the other owners of the club (majority owners, no one gives a shit about the supporter with one share) have denounced the chairman. None of the other owners have put in any cash. None of the other owners have put up their houses as a charge against club debt. None of the other owners... you get the point?

We don't rant and rave at Jon Woods... We don't rant and rave at Robert Earl... WHY?
Matt Traynor
22   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:54:12

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Alan (#16), why should the Grantchester's be vilified for choosing not to extend their association with the club, which was historical anyway and those that inherited the portfolio didn't have the same level of affliction (not a typo) for EFC?

You'll be blaming McCartney next after he admitted he's "more Blue than Red"...
John Audsley
23   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:29:23

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That's it, Richard. Well done, we are a total set of wallies, aren't we?

Bill is the right man to be running this great club and cos he's a blue it's even sweeter. You are so so right

However you have missed the argument yet again. It's not SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND we want... It's honesty, respect for us as a fanbase.

Stop WOWing, stop crowing when we get a good result and don't let your manager say we need 3 loan signings when we clearly were never going to get even one.

Bill is letting all of us down, Richard, that includes you as well.

Mike Williams
24   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:48:16

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@Richard Dodd
Sell, Sell, Sell ? now that's the ways to go isn't it? You're completely right ? we are all wallies. That is how a football team is supposed to be run.
Chris Keightley
25   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:05:29

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Okay.... so tonight we have a game against the Gunners...

FUCKING get behing the team!!!!

Brian Waring
26   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:18:32

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Doddy, you are a joke mate. What happened to this signing you told us was going to happen before the deadline?
Larry Boner
27   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:17:15

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I was reading about the Olympic Stadium bids from West Ham and Spurs and wondered why West Ham would want to move from Upton Park, how would they fill a 50-60,000-seat venue? Well, to my surprise I found out that the Hammers have 16,000 people on the season ticket waiting list!

Everton, comparatively a major trophy winning and successful club, have a waiting list of... zero, in fact it is probably minus zero, taking in to account the number of people who are not going to renew for next season.

Their average gate this season is a couple of thousand behind Everton's, their capacity approx 5,000 less than Everton's, why is there such apathy around Everton, when a team like West Ham generate such commitment from their local support?

I mean they have hardly been successful regarding the PL, have been relegated and only had an FA Cup final, the same as us?

John Audsley
28   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:35:55

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Always 100% behind the team, Chris, that's not the issue.

The issue is BK and what is happening (along with the other board members) at our club.

The team will always get my full support and love, BK and Co will get nothing.
Ernie Baywood
29   Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:18:30

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Larry, you raise an interesting point and one that gets glossed over quite a bit. We don't have the wide-ranging support, we're not a wealthy support, we're not a support that trends towards tacky merchandise...

It could be us?
Gavin Ramejkis
30   Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:30:03

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Alan #16, was Keith Harris appointed to look for a buyer or investor? If for sale, what is the price being asked that not one buyer is available? Were Aston Villa and Blackburn, to name two clubs, seriously better business propositions or just cheaper and better ran with a chance of a return?
Tony Hughes
31   Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:48:08

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Dodd, just fuck off ? you are becoming an embarrassment!!
Alan Williams
32   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:19:22

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Matt, 22 point agreed... then why still hold shares and why all the abuse for BK when everybody is fully aware he has no private funds to support the club yet others on the board do have money and choose not to do it? The answer is obvious EFC needs massive amounts of capital to even match clubs like Spurs and the price tag is way above any sensible businessman. COYB
Keith Skidmore
33   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:33:28

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Trevor Lynes (11) - Someone wrote about a stay away compromise the other day which I thought was right on the money. Don?t enter the ground for the first 15 minutes of our next home match. I'd modify it slightly to say, don't get to your seat for the first 15 minutes, maybe have a couple of Changs (so it?s not all bad for the club!) before taking to your seat? The impact of this would show the board pretty visibly that the natives are restless, also when everyone gets to their seats and backs the team it might reassure the team that it?s primarily the board the fans are frustrated with.

An empty stadium (apart from the away support and Bill and his mates!) would be the most graphic way of demonstrating to the board that we are being mismanaged? and on a bigger scale to the wider footballing community that the fans of clubs still have the power of their feet and if pushed too far they can turn the circus which football in this country has become, on it?s head.

I?ve said for a while to my mates that a stay away (or now even better the first 15 mins) at televised games against the Sky 4-8 by home crowds would send a clear message to Sky and the FA (they?re not getting off scot-free!!!) that they have ruined OUR game. It?s the sort of protest which would snowball as fans from other non SKY 4-8 clubs with proud histories (but brushed aside by the media) are not happy with the Status Quo (quite apt being Utd fans!). At Uni in Nottingham 1995 Utd fans chanting ?You?ve never been in Europe!? to the back to back European Cup Wining Forest fans?. that level of ignorance is only fueled by the crap these morons are fed by the media!

Don?t even get me started on the ridiculous figures paid yesterday and the wages being paid weekly?! It has to stop, it?s just obscene. We can?t just moan about the bankers' bonuses when players are receiving substantially more?. In essence, FOOTBALLERS ARE A LOAD OF BANKERS!!!!!!!

Sorry, got a bit carried away there! Start on about the board, ended up a state of the nation speech.

Alan Williams
34   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:30:21

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Gavin, 30 ? after listening and reading articles from Mr Harris, it is both options depending on the bidder.

Villa, RL was a fan of Villa before he bought plus left with no debt from DE. Blackburn, obviously the Asian connection plays a part but I think it?s fair to say that it?s too early to say if they are quality owners at this point; also, the purchase price lower plus no added investment in stadia required for both teams so whatever investment will be made will most likely go to the playing side.

In the last 5 years, EFC on the playing front have achieved more, and I think Villa have spent £100 million plus over this time, too, which hasn?t yet yielded them any prizes, plus attendances down on both clubs recently too.

Gavin, EFC are a casualty of modern football and EFC problems are not exclusive to us or BK. That?s not an apologist comment more an observation of the crap we are in. I, like you, wish is was so, so different but tonight I will be at Arsenal hoping we can get 3 points ? pro or against BK doesn?t change the fact that we belong to EFC and it's special to us. COYB

Marc Williams
35   Posted 01/02/2011 at 14:18:36

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Alan Williams... Surely the problem with what you say about Harris is that Everton's barrister at the enquiry stated that "none of the major shareholders" wished to dilute their holdings ? which surely means he was appointed to find investment only & not sell the club.

If you know different then please explain it, but this was Everton's publically stated position to the Secretary of State.

If you are privey to information that Keith Harris was employed to look for both, as you tell, Gavin, then perhaps you should have been called before the enquiry.

Steve Smith
36   Posted 01/02/2011 at 17:43:30

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Marc 35 ? You've got that the wrong way round, mate, taking on investment would dilute every shareholder's stake because the investor would have to be given some sort of ownership for his investment, probably in the form of issueing more shares.

For example, if you own stock in a company with 1 million shares trading at £10 each, and the company decides to issue another 1 million shares, you?re holdings would be ?diluted? by those new shares. Since the company hasn?t done anything to increase its value, the stock would drop to £5.

Selling your shares on the other hand is just that, you sell your shares and get whatever the going rate is. So in effect, they were saying they wanted to sell rather than take on investment by the sounds of it.

Leon Perrin
37   Posted 01/02/2011 at 18:36:34

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Richard Dodd,

Hope you wear a permanent bobble hat, your dick sticks right out the top of your head.
Marc Williams
38   Posted 01/02/2011 at 18:29:27

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Thanks Steve 35#, I see what you are saying & it makes sense.

Alan's reply to Gavin still confuses me though as he says "it is both options depending on the bidder". However, we know the official Everton position to the Secretary of State at the enquiry via their legal teams statement i.e. "Don't want to dilute shares". If Steve is right (and he sounds plausible to me) then Harris is purely trying to sell the club & is not looking for investment or either option (dependent on the bidder), just a straight sale.

Mr Kenwright says he is "looking for investment 24/7" but this would then dilute his holding, which his counsel says he doesn't want to do... (?!) For once... I'm not trying to be a smart arse or have a go at anyone, I'm genuinely confused.

Alan Williams 34# .... can you refer me to what you've read, heard or are quoting from ref: "it's both depending on the bidder".

Steve Smith
39   Posted 01/02/2011 at 22:17:33

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Maybe we're looking too deep into the word investment, there are other ways of bringing money into the club without diluting shares, maybe Kenwright means enabling investment such as finch farm or this new building on the Park End car park, and I would certainly expect a new stadium, regardless of who the shareholders may be at the time, will need some form of enabling investment.
Ged Alexander
40   Posted 02/02/2011 at 07:26:29

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Richard Dodd. I didn't suggest we spend, spend, spend and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. What I said was that the current board is not fit or purpose. This is not a personal attack (though I do think there are question marks caused by BK's ego and his personality is an issue as a corporate matter).

The 'purpose' of a board is to build a business so achieving success. The business side of EFC is in a mess, in utter chaos. Before we can build a team, we must build a business. I accept that, in trying to back David Moyes, the board has spent but actually I do not think it is thinking wisely in where that money comes from, namely borrowing.

Alan Williams
41   Posted 02/02/2011 at 08:11:46

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Marc, dilute means to water down, eg: a share issue which would mean each share being devalued and the price dropped, allowing more for sale but at a lower price, which opens it up to the general fan as apposed to a takeover bid. For example: each current full share is now worth 3 which would mean on today prices 1 share would cost the public £500 as apposed to the current average of around £1,500 (ish).

EFC's statement at the time has no bearing on any other deal such as share purchase or complete selling of the club, what it does tell you is the board is/was united to this fact. Don?t forget that inquiry was 18 months ago and is only valid at point of issue, the board and shareholders have the option to change direction as and when is suits them to do so.

Quoting this hearings statements has no recall to today?s board and is not a statement of intent in either direction, they are free to run EFC Co Ltd as they choose within English law. COYB

Alan Williams
42   Posted 02/02/2011 at 08:33:31

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Marc, you will have to look at Talksport for some of this, he has been invterviewed on three occassions plus it was followed up in the nationals. I will have a look myself for reference but I can guarantee he did say on line of "poor old Everton, they have been tryng for years for investment or even a new owner but they just can't attract it, I hope they do because they are a fantatic club". His interview was on the morning show probably a year ago.
Steve Smith
43   Posted 02/02/2011 at 12:55:28

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Ged 40:
So what do you propose then? You don't want us to borrow money but I'm sure you are aware of our turnover per season. The board....any board, regardless of the personal makeup of it, can only do it's best to run within its means, sometimes that means strategic affordable borrowing; sometimes not.

Yes, you can increase the turnover by better marketing of the club but, let's face it, you're either an Everton fan or you're not ? no amount of marketing will attract any new support unless we're doing it on the pitch.

You say our current business set-up is utter chaos, perhaps you could explain? And maybe tell us how you think it could be done any differently than what we're doing at present.

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