As an Everton enthusiast (until this season) I would like you to answer a few questions. If you can do this then you're worth £70k a week.
1) A few seasons into your reign, you stated you had a five-year plan. What was this five-year plan? Was it to turn into Walter Smith and put square pegs in round holes or give us fans sleepless nights? Maybe it was to get a bumper contract... Well done.
2) Is Blue Blooded Bill the only poor guy left in that Chilean Mine? Should we actually not try and find him? Don?t you care? Is he mining for some precious gems to afford the Toffee Lady's salary?
3) Why did you bring Coleman on for about 10 minutes combined last season, yet he did more in those two games than a right back has done for us in decades? then flog him off to Blackpool?
4) Why did you play Coleman on the bench for half this season? Was it because you were worried about your usual priority of defending? "Well, why not push him to right wing?" said the Evertonians. Oh sorry, I forgot you had Osman, Bily & Anichebe to oust.
5) Do Gueye or Baxter have a chance?
6) Does anyone have a chance fom our youth ?homegrown? players?
7) Why do you buy out-and-out strikers and send them to the corner flags or centre circle when your five-man midfield formation is supposed to actually alleviate this need? A striker plays in and around the opposition penalty box to score goals... or so I thought.
8) Why do we always send all our players back for every corner?
9) Why do we always score a goal then go into a trench of desperation and survival?
10) Why was poor Beckford bought and not given a fair run with a strike partner?
11) Why was Vaughan loaned out when he's probably the favourite player of most of us fans in his attitude to the game and more importantly the club.
12) Why did you delay signing your five-year contract for over half the season?
13) Why did you not give the Yak a sustained run and chance to regain his match fitness before giving him away?
14) Why do you have to buy players that are a jack of all trades but master at none?
15) Why did you play Jagielka and Heitinga for about half a season in centre-mid, right-back consistently seeing it doesn?t work then move them into their favoured positions where they made their trade?
16) Why did you play Lescott at left back all the time and not play Baines?
17) Why did you bring Sander Westerveld and Francis Jeffers to our club?
18) Why don?t you like having balance and pace in your team?
19) Why does Tim Howard have to kick the ball as high as he can every goal kick?
20) Why won't you play two bloody strikers? I maybe not on your money, David, but it's no coincidence we scream out for two strikers and things change straight away?
21) Why did you resort back to your crappy negative tactics in the Derby when we could have stuffed them?
22) Why do you make the wrong substitutions at the wrong times?
23) Why can't you see when a game is going against you and a tactical alteration or a change is required?
24) Why does Jack Wilshere have more money than our Club?
25) What did you say to Keith Wyness?
26) What does Steve Round do?
27) Have you ever watched an Everton team from the 1st tier of a stand? Try it please, David... it's bloody horrible.
28) I love your enthusiasm but sometime I feel embarrassed about the barking of instructions onto the pitch. Are these players professionals or school kids? No wonder Coleman always does his best to run as far forward as he can! I've seen many times players hesitate or make wrong decisions because they get you confusing them basically.
29) Does Arteta just pretend he can't run or is he well and truly finished?
30) Where's the David Moyes we all loved in your first few years? Have you run out of ideas... love for the club... enthusiasm?
31) Do you like Blue Bill? (You can e.mail this in cryptic if you like...)
32) Do players no longer get a game on merit?
33) Why have Hibbert and Osman lasted the Everton revolution... which is no longer a revolution but back to Square One?
34) Why is it so obvious whats wrong and you cant see it?
35) I know your hands are tied by Bill but that squad ? a kid picking the team Champ Manager style could actually do better.
36) Why did I hear a comment from one of our players saying vs Arsenal the second goal killed us and we would have taken the draw?
37) Why do you get paid £10k a day to prevent the above questions... yet don?t prevent them?
38) Do you want to be at Everton in 5 years time? If so, start by giving the fans a reason to want to go and watch Everton... and ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!
Anyway it's 4am and I need to go to sleep. Feel free to add.
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1 Posted 03/02/2011 at 08:15:03
2 Posted 03/02/2011 at 08:35:11
40/ Why was there no tactical Plan B in place for Pienaar's inevitable departure? Baines looks decidedly out of sorts since he left.
41/ What actually happens at Finch Farm? Is all the coaching left to Round? If so, why? If not, what does he do?
42/ Rodwell or Fellaini? Who's going in the summer?
43/ What had Beckford done to piss you off so much that you'd rather play Victor Anichebe?
44/ What does Anichebe do in training that so impresses you?
45/ What does Osman do in training that so impresses you?
3 Posted 03/02/2011 at 09:01:37
4 - He has started about 16 games, maybe more so where is this half a season on the bench rubbish coming from?.
8 - Because nearly every other teams do, Chelsea and Arsenal did in our last two games.
16 - Because he was scoring more than our forwards and earned an England call up in that position
17 - One was an emergeny and the other was forced on me, hence why he didn't hardly get any playing time
23 - Because I have a shit bench and none of them would add anything to the team if I brought them on.
26 - Makes a fantastic Cappuchino
30 - The fans expectation after the flukey 4th place has crushed him out of sight
33 - Because Hibbert is one of our best "defender" - Ossie has some incriminating photos of me!
38 - Good strategy - but it actually cost us the win against Chelsea and we conceeded against Arsenal when we were caught short after attacking their goal.
4 Posted 03/02/2011 at 09:09:57
Well - it's hasn't helped yet...
5 Posted 03/02/2011 at 09:20:45
6 Posted 03/02/2011 at 09:18:11
How on earth have you managed a 41% win ratio based on spending a net of only £3m per year?
How have you managed to finish 4th, 5th twice and 6th in the past 6 seasons with the financial constraints placed on your transfer budget?
Considering the disparity on what the other 6 ever present clubs have spent in the Premier League, how on earth have you kept the club up at all?
How did you manage to sign Coleman, Arteta, Baines, Jagielka, Pienaar and Cahill for a combined total of £16m?
How long do you think you would be out a job with that CV if you were not manager of Everton tomorrow?
Feel free to add...
7 Posted 03/02/2011 at 09:54:08
Do you think that the supporters who still think you are God, naive or stupid, or do they just don't anything about how the game is played?
8 Posted 03/02/2011 at 10:06:19
Some obvious questions, some good ones, some ridiculously childish ones too.
Mixed review of this post although I feel some of your frustrations wholeheartedly.
9 Posted 03/02/2011 at 10:26:32
A few questions up there are valid; Most of them are pointless and childish; the remainder are just plain spiteful.
10 Posted 03/02/2011 at 10:31:31
11 Posted 03/02/2011 at 11:12:26
12 Posted 03/02/2011 at 10:56:04
13 Posted 03/02/2011 at 11:43:23
Is managing Everton money for old rope?
Are you familiar with the phrase "flogging a dead horse?"
If you discovered your gardener played striker not centre half in his sunday league team would you sack him?
14 Posted 03/02/2011 at 12:14:08
Do you think you deserve all this flack from certain fans who seem to forget how the performance of Everton over the last decade totally outstrips the relative spending that you have been allowed and who seem to ignore the fact that everyone makes mistakes and that you have worked yourself to the bone for the club and done everything with honesty, integrity and to the best of your ability?
15 Posted 03/02/2011 at 12:50:55
did you hold the club to ransom for your new contract?
Do you feel your wage is justified considering you've never won anything?
What secret does Hibbert know about you?
16 Posted 03/02/2011 at 12:59:37
17 Posted 03/02/2011 at 13:11:29
Did you hold the club to ransom for your new contract?
Everton did not have to give Moyes a new contact if they didn't want to. They could have said 'no, what you're asking for is too much. There is the door'.
Fact is they didn't because the board no that without Moyes getting the bargains he has (Arteta, Baines, Jags, Lescott etc) we would be in an even worse position that we currently are.
Moyes has made, by his own admission, made many many mistakes.
BUT THEN SO DO THESE OTHER MANAGERS MOST PEOPLE THINK WOULD COME TO A DECLINING AND SKINT CLUB LIKE EVERTON.
As much as it hurts me to say, EFC are a middle of the table club, have no finance, an old stadium, poor people follow the club in relation to teams like Arsenal, Spurs etc, crap sponship money, a low wage structure, an even worse net transfer spend.
18 Posted 03/02/2011 at 13:30:08
19 Posted 03/02/2011 at 13:18:40
My depression lifted for 90 minutes particularly whilst we were ahead. Whilst it not only depressing and frustrating to see others move light years ahead of us, surely our enthusiasm and support should never drop.
Yes, it is right to question those running the club, particularly about our future and our lack of finances, but to put the blame at the door of Moyes is wrong and misdirected. Another myth put to bed on Tuesday night was that new stadiums lack atmosphere.
Matt at #8 I doff my cap to you.
20 Posted 03/02/2011 at 13:38:11
Do you honestly think that everton's financial problems are down to Moyes? Do you think he would be playing some of the players he has currently got if he could afford better?
I personally think the man is doing a fantastic job with what he has got and I am only surprised that he is still at Everton when we have fans like you spouting complete crap everytime you open your mouth.
21 Posted 03/02/2011 at 13:55:15
22 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:05:09
1/ David, could you tell me how on a pittance you have managed to achieve better league placings than any club outside of the sky faves ?
2/ David, given recent difficulties how will you again rebuild Everton into a team capable of challenging for europe and do so with less cash than any club of similar stature?
...oh and David, fair play, you perhaps shouldnt assume players are capable of playing any position to an acceptable standard.....and Id have a word with Anichibe. This is English football, not the american kind.
23 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:36:48
24 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:29:26
25 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:41:01
26 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:43:51
40. You dont have to come out with statements about how great Bill Kenwright is, yet you consistently do. This is despite the fact you havent spent a carrot for years and look like a miserable bastard most of the time. Are you genuinely happy at Everton?
41. Is it true Alan Stubbs tried to kop for the tea lady after this season's derby win after a day on the JD?
27 Posted 03/02/2011 at 14:41:53
"Well, actually, Coleman played 16 games, not 15 games." To that tune, you are clutching at straws. For me, Moyes should have been sacked after the 05-06 season.
Most who are defending him on this thread say the same stuff: "How has he finished in such a position on such little money?"
Well, tell me what the reward was for finishing 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th.
I think the most valid questions are the ones aimed at his reasons for dropping Yak and Becks and persisting with Hibbert (and Number 21).
28 Posted 03/02/2011 at 15:14:01
29 Posted 03/02/2011 at 15:35:41
30 Posted 03/02/2011 at 15:44:37
Why, in your 9th year, are you just as negatve as the first?
What type of mind melt do you use on some of our fans who seem to think we owe you some kind of debt, even though you get paid a fortune for the job?
31 Posted 03/02/2011 at 15:45:32
However, your time is up, after 9 years in charge you don't know what your best team is, we still don't have any wingers at the club, we have zero pace ? your fault, Moyes!!
Putting on defenders when we are losing is an insult to us fans, and after 9 years in charge we only look like scoring from set pieces. Football changes, Moyes is still in year 4 of his 10 year plan!!
Thank you, Moyes and goodbye ? and take that fucking chairman with you!
32 Posted 03/02/2011 at 16:12:15
For now I'm willing to vent my anger at Kenwright because he's the true villain but Moyes is still part of the problem. In the same way Fabregas disgusts Moyes, I find Moyes' constant defence of Kenwright equally disgusting. Moyes is making his own bed and therefore I have little sympathy for him.
It is Moyes' defence of Kenwright that creates this apathy amongst fans - "If Moyes says we're ok then we must be". We're not ok, the club and its finances are a complete fucking mess. Moyes is part of Kenwright's regime and the whole lot of them should fuck off.
33 Posted 03/02/2011 at 18:19:18
34 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:10:48
The days of David Moyes are much darker than those of Walter Smith. If Walter had the money that David Moyes had he certainly wouldn't have done any worse. These have been wasted years. I just cannot believe that so many Evertonians are grateful for the utter dross we have been served up.
35 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:04:06
Art, how is that a fact? Have you got some magic stats to back that claim, or some sort of crystal ball, or is that just you own opinion?
Also, your opinion is that on a level playing field we would be a top 3 club, and winning trophies, but anyone who doesn't agree with you is sad?
One last question Art, if as you seem to think, Moyes is great, why are we in 15th position in the Prem, 3pts above a relegation place?
36 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:23:55
Talk about managing with your hands behind your back.
37 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:33:56
38 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:48:57
Who in this league operates with that level of spending and expects anything other than a swift trip to the Championship?
39 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:49:06
I'm sorry but that is complete rubbish. I know we are all feeling low at the moment but to suggest that this is worse than when Smith was in charge is just stupid.
40 Posted 03/02/2011 at 19:58:40
41 Posted 03/02/2011 at 20:17:35
That's as far as I got then nodded off ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
42 Posted 03/02/2011 at 20:25:32
43 Posted 03/02/2011 at 20:46:55
A copy of the Club's Annual Report, containing the accounts, will be sent out to all shareholders early next week.
As is customary, the accounts will be made available on evertonfc.com later next week.
44 Posted 03/02/2011 at 22:34:20
"If it were a level playing field, he would be good."
IF I had wheels I'd be a wagon.
It isn't a level playing field, and using that hypothetical just doesn't fly.
For all those on this site that are defending Moyes to the hilt, we are really just venting after his behaviour in the Arsenal game.
Who out there can say that money or lack thereof had ANYTHING to do with his ridiculous subs in that game? Seriously, I want to hear if a Moyes defender thinks he got this game right...
45 Posted 03/02/2011 at 23:11:16
Moyes is not the problem at Everton. There is something going on in the background at the club and the look on David Moyes's face during a recent Sky interview proves it to me.
I think that all the recent problems are a backlash from DK. Think about it for a moment: why did two Spurs supporters (both retail businessmen) Green and Earl get involved with us, at the time of DK? After it went tits-up, I think they want their cut back.
46 Posted 03/02/2011 at 23:58:02
47 Posted 04/02/2011 at 01:21:40
Why is it that after 9 years of evidence to support the above criticisms many everton fans bang on about relative wealth and integrity to defend you? Is it perhaps because they are just as unimaginative and autocratic as you?
All hail the moyesiah!
Blind faith in role models is childish gentlemen, not this free thinking contributor.
48 Posted 04/02/2011 at 04:26:17
He has Scottish trophies to back it up which mean feck all. Anyone can manage in Scotland even Neill Lennon is made look good as a manager.
Walter Smith was terrible when he was in charge here. He blamed Johnson for no support but I blame him for wasting the money Johnson gave him him... as well as Johnson being a crook.
49 Posted 04/02/2011 at 06:02:16
For a start this thread lost all credit in my eyes by questioning Coleman's loan... so he goes out on loan and comes back a quality right winger... he was playing well for Blackpool but not as well as he has been this seaon, whatever happened happened because of that loan and the manager has pulled a blinder.
I'm just annoyed that whoever wrote this thread can count to 37 because it gives some kind of intelligence to a completely stupid point of view,
In my opinion, it's a long-term thing, people need to stop rocking the boat because stuff like this could sink us.
50 Posted 04/02/2011 at 08:28:16
Still think "anyone can manage in Scotland"? Check your facts before making flippant, hackneyed and perjorative statements about the SPL. On the flip side, some of the EPL's best managers including Moyes, Ferguson, McCleish have cut their teeth successfully in the SPL.
51 Posted 04/02/2011 at 08:52:49
It does grate me a bit that all the things he has done for this club he is getting such abuse for a season which has been crying out for a kick-start, a spark... Redknapp provided VDV on deadline day in August; imagine if Moyes had been given the opportunity to sign someone like him at a similar time. Plenty of people need to get off the fella's back. The things that he's done for this club warrant a lot more respect than he is getting...
52 Posted 04/02/2011 at 09:46:38
What's the answer then?
53 Posted 04/02/2011 at 11:51:59
54 Posted 04/02/2011 at 11:51:59
Too true, Lee, anyone would think Moyes has done his best to ruin the club. With a nett spend of £3m per season since he's been here he has done a good job.
I'm not completely happy with the way he's run things, his habit of bringing subs on with 5 mins left, in fact his totally baffling substitutions allround, and his often negative approach also pisses me off, but if anyone can name a manager who would have done better with the resources and the team he took over I'd like to hear it. (Please, nobody mention that prick O'Neill or Redknapp)
55 Posted 04/02/2011 at 12:25:35
Lescott stayed in at left back because he was immense in that position at the time, only an idiot would have dropped him. Vaughan ? every Evertonians favourite player? What? Every match-going fan I know realises he's nowhere near good enough for the starting 11.
Finally, did you ever see us play under Smith? We were far, far worse than we are now.
56 Posted 04/02/2011 at 13:11:28
57 Posted 04/02/2011 at 12:56:22
But Harry Catterick could point to 2 League Titles and and FA Cup win as well as runners up. Johnny Carey was manager when we reached our highest League position for over 20 years and many of the players he signed were part of the 1962-63 title winning squad.
No manager is above criticism and yes, I will readily acknowledge that David Moyes is a good manager ? but without fault?
As far as I know there is nothing in the rules of the game to say that you have to play the same formation in every game. Yes, 4-5-1 ? why in over 95% of our games do we play one striker?
I may not have a FIFA recognised coaching badge... but can anyone tell me why certain players are named on the bench when you and I know that they have virtually no chance of being brought on? i.e. Gueye and Baxter? Surely when you name your 7 subs, they should be 7 players that you would be prepared to bring on if need be. Not 5 with 2 to make the numbers up.
I saw the interview when he said about other clubs spending millions, but at those clubs what would happen to the young players? Would they be given a chance ? Did he mean players like Gueye and Baxter?
In his time as Everton manager Moyes has signed several strikers ? have they all been bad players? I don't think so. In the time that Tim Cahill has been at Goodison, we have seen Beattie and Johnson arrive and depart and now most likely Yak.
As regards comparisons with Walter Smith, yes, Moyes has taken us forward... but WS is often given more stick than he deserves. He had to deal with Johnson's lies, the transfer budget that was supposedly there in reality wasn't. Bakayoko was signed to play alongside Ferguson but we know why that never happened. In terms of value for money the £250,000 that WS paid for David Weir ranks as the signing of the decade in my book.
The question we need to be asking is: Is David Moyes the man to get the best out of this squad of players? Personally, I have my doubts.
58 Posted 04/02/2011 at 13:53:00
Here is Walter's record in the full seasons he was manager:
Pos W D L F A
14th 38 11 10 17 42 47 43 13th 38 12 14 12 59 49 50
16th 38 11 9 18 45 59 42
16th 29 7 9 13 27 35 30
In all but one of Moyes's seasons as manager we have finished with 50 points or more, which was Walter's highest points total. In all but one season we have finished higher than Walter's highest finish.
Let's not blame Moyes for the current prediciment. Look up to the middle of the main stand to the front row on the comfortable leather seats for who is to blame.
We are a mid-table Prem club in terms of attendances.
We are a lower Premier League club in terms of net transfer spend.
These aren't Moyes's fault.
59 Posted 04/02/2011 at 14:37:16
60 Posted 04/02/2011 at 14:58:42
"I may not have a FIFA recognised coaching badge... but can anyone tell me why certain players are named on the bench when you and I know that they have virtually no chance of being brought on ? i.e. Gueye and Baxter? Surely when you name your 7 subs, they should be 7 players that you would be prepared to bring on if need be. Not 5 with 2 to make the numbers up."
But that's the whole point. We have the numbers in the squad but not the quality. He probably puts these players on the bench for the experience, knowing full well they aren't going to get any game time. I'm not a coach but I'd imagine this must be some sort of tactic to prepare them for when they will be called upon hopefully some time in the near future. I'm not saying it's right but there seems to be logic in it. Plus there's nobody else close to the first 11.
61 Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:08:22
In terms of does Kenwright pick the team and decide the tactics? No he doesn't but the financial constraints placed on Moyes by Kenwright influence the team selection and tactics. If Moyes could splash £50m on a world class forward a la Chelsea then tactics and selection might change. Instead he is forced to pick between an injury-prone "has-been" and a third tier trier who cost a combined £0 between them. If Moyes could afford a decent winger then he could replace Pienaar, who was sold from underneath him. Maybe he wouldn't have had to pluck a 20-year-old from a pittance from Ireland and turn him into a class act through developing him and loaning him out either?
But he can't do any of these things so he has to persist with the tactics and selection he does. So yes, I blame Kenwright for this to an extent.
62 Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:18:18
63 Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:31:32
64 Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:34:55
65 Posted 04/02/2011 at 16:36:32
66 Posted 04/02/2011 at 16:55:30
67 Posted 05/02/2011 at 00:02:51
What is a crime is blind faith, and only reiterating the same ONE excuse over and over again: Money.
I can think of several points in my criticism of Moyes, bad subs, negative tactics in perpetuity, petty grudges against his co-workers (players before you ask) and all round boring/pathetic media persona he's created for himself.
On the Coleman issue, I didn't have a problem with him being loaned last season as, by the time he came into the first team, we weren't short on players. What confused me was Moyes benching him for the Bolton game after he'd carved Blackpool a new one the previous week.
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