I think it is pretty much a given that we will be waving goodbye to one time fans favourite the Yak in the summer. Unfortunately since his injury he has not been the same player and it's such a shame because we know a season or two ago he was up there with the best in the premier league. I also anticipate the departure of James Vaughan. No one can fault his work ethic and his direct style of play. His pace, strength, spring and determination really gave him a platform to potentially be an Everton great but too many injury's has made this impossible. He will certainly not be forgotten.
So that leaves us with the ageing Saha and Jermaine (the one man team) Beckford. If the latter was less selfish I really believe he could be a great player for us but for now he seems much more useful as a super sub as he always guarantees you one chance on goal. I think we may see the best of Jermaine next season. Louis Saha we all know is unbelievable, great in the air, great finisher in and outside the box with both feet, fast, powerful,he holds the ball up really well and has great movement but he is thirty two however. Little do we know with his injury record how many good seasons he has left in him so I believe a top striker is a definite priority this summer.
I feel we may also be saying so long to Jonny Heitinga who for many including myself believe to be an excellent signing and a great player. He epitomises the Everton attitude, he's versatile and has experience from the highest levels but it seems he is not quite happy on Merseyside for one reason or another. I believe a young up and coming left sided centre back who can play at full back is a must as Distin isn't getting any younger, Yobo says he will not be returning and we need cover for Bainsey. Another young attacking midfielder I think would come in handy as well with Timmy Cahill also on the wrong side of thirty.
Others may disagree with this but this is my rough generalization of what we need to do this summer. No matter who we bring in for next season I have every bit of faith they will be the right players as in Moyes I trust and I sincerely hope Manchester United keep their mits to themselves and look elsewhere for Sir Alex's successor.
As long as we keep hold of my favourite player Marouane Fellaini I think next season we could finally see a piece of silverware at Goodison park.
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1 Posted 23/03/2011 at 05:56:28
It's good to hear the optimism of youth but, as a despondent old bugger I'm expecting a summer of discontent.
Keep the faith Joshua.
2 Posted 23/03/2011 at 07:21:51
Where is the money going to come from?
I think everyone now realises without selling Fellaini and Rodwell for serious amounts of money we won't be seeing anything different from the last few seasons of stagnation.
Unless Pat Nevin's anonymous buyers can pry the train set controls out of Kenwrights cold dead hands.
3 Posted 23/03/2011 at 07:51:05
4 Posted 23/03/2011 at 09:15:04
Centre back- Hope Duffy steps up
Left mid- Hope wolves get relegated, sell Billy for £6m and buy Matt Jarvis. Or rewind time and buy Adam Hamill for a paltry £500k.
Striker- God knows. Send Anichebe to Lourdes and hope a miracle happens?
Put the Rodwell/Heitinga money in the bank so we can clear our debt and no longer have to sell our best players. Without which we are never going to step up.
5 Posted 23/03/2011 at 08:32:32
there is a chance that Saha may feel he is too old and retire and Timmy Cahill is starting to look a bit past it... this is where we will have trouble because we cant sell them for anything sensible even if we wanted to.
Jan Mucha will also look elsewhere so a back up keeper is needed too.
trouble is if we have 50 million to spend every playe we want will cost 5 times his normal price, or in the case of Andy Carroll 10 times
6 Posted 23/03/2011 at 09:06:57
Roughly I agree with most of what you say.
I believe there is room for manouvre in the transfer market to improve the squad without selling any of the major assets, although the more I watch Jack Rodwell the more I think a big money sale would benefit us as I don't see in him what others do.
If he's staying the only position I see for him is right back as I think he's got what it takes to be a top class player there, in centre mid and centre back he can't get his tackles in, isn't physical enough and doesn't pass forwards, which you need to do in the middle of the park.
Clearly we do not have the financial muscle or the manegerial nous to operate with a big squad, for this reason I would be happy to see a good, young striker brought in with the sales of Yakubu, Yobo and Vaughan.
I'd be happy to see the back of Bily who could bring a big fee in as Russian clubs are cash rich and he has performed well for his country in his time with us, hopefully this would see a winger in the N'zogbia mould come in.
That just leaves a space next to Big mo to fill as I see Arteta staying out on the wings afetr the way this season has gone. For me the perfect player for that is Charlie Adam, That's one I'm really hoping to see this summer.
If Moyes can get past his stubborness regarding wheeling and dealing and start using his undoubted skills in unearthing quality at low prices then this summer could bring the second wave of Pienaar's, Cahill's, Arteta's and Lescott's. Something we need to do as it's our only hope of competing.
7 Posted 23/03/2011 at 09:57:23
Would hope that just Fellaini and Rodwell would cost upwards of £50 m.
8 Posted 23/03/2011 at 10:01:11
9 Posted 23/03/2011 at 10:28:46
Overall though I agree it really feels like a few new faces are needed. We thought we were only one or two short of a fantastic squad last summer but obviously a terrible season ensued, and nobody - it feels like this includes the manager and squad - rates us right now. Some fresh impetus is needed.
10 Posted 23/03/2011 at 09:42:29
Yes I know they ALL hate losing, but I'm talking about those (these days very rare) types who it seems would kill their own grandmothers to win.
Hard cases, nasty bastards if you will.
I have no doubt that a large part (the largest?) of our success in the 80's was down to Peter Reid.
A player who on paper probably didn't tick a lot of boxes.
Didn't score loads, didn't spray 50 yard balls about, not a great header of the ball etc.
But that centre circle was his and not only were opposition players wary of him, so were many of our own.
On the field he had one thing in his head - win.
And if that meant kicking his own team-mates arses as well as the oppositions, fine.
Plus he never shut his mouth, talking/shouting all the time, no one had time to slack or drift out of position.
Andy Gray had a similar mentality, maybe on the face of it not as hard/nasty as Reid but I've never seen anyone who loved winning more.
And that attitude spreads.
When Sharpy first came in, he looked quite shy and naive.
By the end of 85 he knew every trick in the book and winning had become a habit.
(I put a lot of that down to Gray).
Viera for Arsenal looked a tall elegant player, different on the face of it from Reidy, but I remember him as a hard bastard who wouldn't take any shit.
Anyone intimidating Arsenal players when he was there knew there was a good chance they'd end up getting wellied by him
For me they've never replaced him and (I think) have won fuck all since he left.
I realise that many Reid type tackles would these days result in instant dismissal but I still think it's possible to intimidate by force of personality.
Phil Neville shouts and points a lot and is a feller I've loads of time for, but he intimidates nobody (imo)
Personally I'd have loved to have seen a nark like Nolan at Everton.
Yeah, yeah I know dirty fucking blah blah, but it's incredible how dirty bastards become 'good tacklers' when they put on a blue shirt and bang in a few goals
Anyway, just..um..thinking out loud.
11 Posted 23/03/2011 at 11:55:02
His goal apart he is not worth his place when everyone is fit and he cost us a lot of money.
The same goes for Bily who is a major disappointment.
Where do you get the knowledge about Maggie ???? He is a complete mystery man to me..
12 Posted 23/03/2011 at 12:29:08
Rodwell, prospect or not, just isn't showing it on the pitch. We won't miss him so let Man Utd spend tme polishing the diamond. Our squad is so threadbare we can't just hope to keep him and cut off our nose to spite our face. We need the fucking cold hard cash. We need the cash NOW.
Fellaini I think will still be here next season, his injury has seen to that, I think.
Saha is now gone. Yakubu didn't recover 100% from his injury and this latest cruel injury must surely spell the end for Saha at 33.
With the aging Cahill more and more immobile, and the misfiring Bilyaletdinov and Heitinga still unsure if they like the colour blue, next season has me bricking it.
We now officially only have Beckford and Anichebe as recognised strikers. That's a championship strikeforce if ever I have seen one. The future's not bright.
With the manager possibly jumping ship before the start of next season, were looking down the barrell of a loaded gun.
Jesus, I need a drink.
13 Posted 23/03/2011 at 13:05:56
14 Posted 23/03/2011 at 13:45:32
15 Posted 23/03/2011 at 14:05:40
Wright (T) Lyons Watson Van Den Hauwe
Gabriel Reid Kay Morrissey
subs: West; Rioch; Ferguson; Bernie Wright
16 Posted 23/03/2011 at 14:01:43
I really like Bilyaletdinov, seems like a real nice guy and he always talks about how he loves being at everton. Plus we all know about that left foot of his. But as so many people have pointed out, he is just plain struggling. I'd love to say he will come good, and be a top player for us... But I can't. I just don't know.
I'd flog Anichebe, even if we get nothing for him, fuck, even if we have to PAY someone to take him. Just get him off the payroll and get him off the bench. I always dread that 70-80 minute mark when moyes is about to make a sub, and I sit with my fingers crossed, praying, HOPING, it's not Anichebe. And if he starts a game? Well then that 70-80 minute mark just can't come fast enough!
If we flog rodders or felli (neither of whom I want to lose in the slightest) I know DM won't get all that money for signings, but shit I hope he gets enough to bring in at least two decent players (by decent I mean no one from League 2, no one from international lower leagues, and no one "for the future").
Or maybe some sheik will buy us out and we will have 5 $30mil strikers warming the bench.
Both scenarios seem around about just as likely at the moment.
17 Posted 23/03/2011 at 15:06:49
(nods head in 'down there' direction)
18 Posted 23/03/2011 at 15:24:00
Of the players named in the OP, only Fellaini and Rodwell would raise any real money, because they're the ones we dont really want to sell (and can therefore try to hold out for as much money as poss.)
With players we do want to sell to raise cash, it's the other way round; other clubs can hold out for less money because we are the ones who need to make the deal.
I agree with the OP's points about the players we need to bring in, but what guarantee do we have that if we sell to buy we won't end up with Carlos Kickaball, Ivor Hamstring and two other turkeys?
19 Posted 23/03/2011 at 16:55:06
20 Posted 23/03/2011 at 17:04:23
Just hope the lad does not get injured or fed up with EFC's lack of funds !!
I honestly cannot see any top player wanting to play for us with the clubs lack of ambition and business nous !
21 Posted 23/03/2011 at 17:13:31
Now that's a team that would need to be fed on plenty of red meat!
22 Posted 23/03/2011 at 18:32:06
We've needed two busy summers over the last two years. Instead, Doddy's boyfriend has delivered ziltch.
We are - and I'll use the technical term here so I hope I dont lose you : FUCKED.
23 Posted 23/03/2011 at 19:29:08
Centre forward with a buyout clause of 20 million Euros apparently. Lord knows where we'd get that kind of money from, but Balague knows his stuff on Spanish football.
Of course, going to watch a player doesn't mean you're going to sign them. But possibly an indication we might be looking to sell to buy?
Just thought I'd get silly season started a bit early this year, seeing as the season has ended (in all but name) already...
24 Posted 23/03/2011 at 19:38:07
Eugene, sounds like you'd like to bring Joey Barton home. I'd be with you on that.
25 Posted 23/03/2011 at 18:41:47
Before Bily came to Everton, he was a better player than most of the Everton squad. The skills and plays he showed on the pitch were awe inspiring, and we've all had glimpses of what he can do since he arrived. I'm not sure how many of you actually still play sport, but if I was on the bench and getting on the field in the 90th minute I probably wouldn't be putting in as much effort as I would if I was starting occasionally, or even coming on at the break.
Josh, the last paragraph intrigued me. I know a lot of people want to hang on to Fellaini, but to what extent does everyone "love" him? What I mean is, I appreciate what he brings to the squad and we would be a weaker team without him, but if he left I wouldn't be as heart broken than if, say, Arteta or Cahill left. Just wanted to guage the idea of his followers.
26 Posted 23/03/2011 at 20:50:10
27 Posted 23/03/2011 at 20:54:16
£25m is the figure being bandied about in the press for Rodwell (not that that means it true of course) and to my eye Fellaini is comfortably a better player. So yes, madness or not i think £50m for the pair is what we should be looking for. If Carroll is worth £35 m FFS!
28 Posted 23/03/2011 at 20:19:35
A proper preparation for this season would not have seen our entire team gasping for breath at half time in the opening eight games. A half decent run of results in that crucial period and we would not have been playing catch up for the remaining games. Then we saw points conceded by playing 4-5-1 in home games against the likes of West Brom, Bolton Wigan etc.
With all due respect to everyone who vouches for that tactic in home games against such sides is tantamount to cowardice in the face of the enemy. For all of the above it is Moyes and not BK who must shoulder most of the blame. Moyes hand picked coaching panel should come in for a share of criticsm. In the recent 12 months I cannot name a player who in any aspect of their game has shown genuine technical improvement. What individual faults they had last year are still visible today. Rather than improving their skills under the guidance of the panel some have clearly deteriorated.
With news of another pre-season USA jaunt, I am concerned that lessons have not been learned and we are in for a repeat of past years.
29 Posted 23/03/2011 at 21:29:12
What happens this off season needs to be completely different to every other off season in the last 3 years. It's obvious that the way we are prepared in the pre-season is responsible for our slow starts. I think, though, that the main thing that needs to change, is that if we are going to sell players like Rodwell and Fellaini, we need to sell them early - before the end of June at the very latest. If Moyes waits until the final hour again to spend what little transfer kitty he is given from the board, then we will be in bigger trouble than we have already imagined.
30 Posted 23/03/2011 at 21:52:23
The one player I would love at Goodison is Scotty Parker and, although I would have reservations deep down, I would probably be happy if Joey Barton signed.
31 Posted 23/03/2011 at 22:01:37
32 Posted 23/03/2011 at 22:26:16
If Heitinga is now considered a hard man then it shows how soft football has become.
33 Posted 23/03/2011 at 22:40:51
I think Fellaini may grow to have that, but I don't see it in many of our talented players: Baines, Arteta, and Rodwell don't exude that kind of passion (I'm not knocking Baines workrate, mind you: far from it). Howard emits some of that kind of fire. Coleman sometimes displays it, but he's too young to carry authority.
I'd like to see it come from someone apart from Neville display this desire to win at all costs. This kind of spirit/character cannot be dismissed. Totally lacking in Arsenal while Man Utd have it in spades.
34 Posted 23/03/2011 at 22:39:26
35 Posted 23/03/2011 at 23:11:22
The worst at not showing a distaste for losing, I think, is David Moyes. Sure, he can sit on the bench at Bolton and sulk, and everyone loves how he deals with the media with dignity, but losing it occasionally and losing some friends in the name of showing the fans you care could do wonders for the mentality of the side.
36 Posted 23/03/2011 at 23:23:22
37 Posted 23/03/2011 at 23:20:18
38 Posted 23/03/2011 at 23:35:41
I would sell this lot just to clear some debt whether Moyes got the money or not as I feel their contribution to the team could be replaced by promising youngsters.
At least we could start to be cash positive at TV money time.
39 Posted 23/03/2011 at 23:57:23
40 Posted 24/03/2011 at 13:00:35
We would replace a midfielder like-for-like and generate at least £8-10M spending money ? assuming that we don't get the whole £15M to spend!
Add to that money the inevitable £4M for Yak, £2M for Yobo and £1M for Vaughan and we have £12M to re-invest in players (from £22M income) and the DM replacement for Felli is already sorted!
Assuming that one or both of Gueye and Baxter will come good next season and Bily will be more involved and we only need a striker with that money!
41 Posted 24/03/2011 at 13:18:49
Scotty Parker would be ideal but no chance.
42 Posted 24/03/2011 at 18:28:25
Getting rid of Moyes is the only way we are going to secure any players for next season, the man doesn't seem to acknowledge his threadbare piss-poor squad.
There are plenty of players available for a good price, as can be seen signing for our rivals.
43 Posted 24/03/2011 at 19:02:03
That is waht I believe Reid and Gray added to that Everton mid-eighties team. They essentially turned them from a bunch of young, undoubtedly talented, but a bit soft players into a motivated, confident force who believed they would win every match.
Peter Reid once said that 90% of football is played in the head. How true!!!!
44 Posted 24/03/2011 at 19:10:00
45 Posted 24/03/2011 at 19:51:14
Remind me again how many Premier League goals he has scored again in the last 3 seasons?
I think he has had something like 87 games of which 4 goals he scored in Europe. In fact I can't remember him scoring in the Premier League?
Joshua ? what concerns me, is all this blind faith in Moyes. This is the same man that won't let go of players like Hibbert, Osman, Neville... but he lets Vaughan and the Yak go on loan, despite the ludicrously bad options we have up top.
I thought the old battle tank (Yak) was actually improving, and coming along... then, all of a sudden, he is loaned out? Something stinks right there.
I have a feeling if the meeting Moyes is planning on having doesn't prove to him there is ambition at board level to help him buy players, he could well resign.
I haven't seen him this down since he has been here, The poor bugger believed the squad he had was the best it has ever been, which it very clearly isn't.
Needless to say, he does need a bigger squad, and he needs to perhaps bite his pride about how much quality that bigger squad should have imo.
46 Posted 24/03/2011 at 20:51:37
People say he hasn't been the same since his injury. Well, he's been banging in goals at Leicester, and I don't care if that is a league lower, a goal scorer is a goal scorer. We saw it. He scored against Stoke, then got dropped. What is that?
This is why I think Moyes needs to go. If he's going to continually fall out with our good players and keep saying things like "As long as I'm here Hibbo has a job", then we're better off without him. That quote a few weeks ago, by the way, is one of the most unprofessional things I've heard a football manager ever say.
47 Posted 24/03/2011 at 22:35:42
Any chance you could spell our manager's name correctly?
Every post you make you make you spell his name incorrectly!.
His name is spelt MOYES not MOYSE.
Also, the reason we have let Yak and Vaughan go on loan is because we have no money.
How difficult is it for people to understand that WE HAVE NO MONEY.
48 Posted 25/03/2011 at 04:15:18
Tonight on Sky Sports.
Ryan that statement of his, is pretty telling. I honestly do not believe it's anything to do with money.
He even says and I quote Moyes "But, the one thing is, it's good that he is getting games. He needs the games. We couldn't quite get him in the team at the time."
Couldn't get him in the team at the time? He came on a fair few times as sub, and as mentioned above scored against Stoke. If anything he looked as if he was improving albeit slowly.
Instead he throws him out on loan, and now he says it's because of match fitness, and a pretty veiled "I haven't got a clue what I am going to do come the end of the season with him, we'll have to wait and see."
It's no secret Moyes has problems with some players, he rubs them up the wrong, whatever and suddenly they don't want to play for us.
It's no secret the Yak has stated he wants to stay with Leicester when the loan ends. Sounds like he is absolutely desperate to be moved on to me and other people.
49 Posted 25/03/2011 at 06:16:15
That's not down to Moyes.
50 Posted 25/03/2011 at 08:34:38
Moyes was told in January we have no money and you have to cut our wages by 20% or we will have to sell to the first bid that comes along after that. That is why Moyes is pissed, because he thought, like every other supporter, that he would be able to keep ALL his players throughout the season, but it started with the Pienaar sale and then all the other loans that came after that. Now we are like a plucked chicken, with no real squad at all. We are a big joke, and we are all angry about it including Moyes.
So, what now? What if we are to lose all our games from now to the end of season, then we will go down for sure. There is nothing Moyes can do about it, cause he can't afford the wages and therefore can't recall anyone from loan, so we are fucked in my opinion. And that makes me angry!
51 Posted 25/03/2011 at 12:01:36
It looks like Rodwell and Fellaini are out for the rest of the season and at best Arteta will be back mid-to-late April. Could this finally lead to the league debut of our supposed secret weapon Gueye? Coleman also has a slight knock. I would like to finally see this guy given a league run out ? if he plays for France U21, he can't be that bad (especially when we have Osman, Neville, Heitinga and, dare I even say it, Anichebe as our now first choice midfield!).
A low on confidence Villa at home, no choice but to start with Beckford and Cahill up top (please do not start with Anichebe!), lets get Bily and Gueye some game time and see if they have anything to offer (even if only hope) for next season.
It's sad but I think we will be starting the Villa game with 6 defenders on the pitch so won't hold my breath for goals.
International weekends really are wank...
52 Posted 26/03/2011 at 03:44:02
He is to blame in the sense that if he had sold the right players at the right time, he wouldn't have had to loan out almost every attacking player we have.
Had he sold Pienaar as soon as he refused to sign a new contract we probably would have gotten at least double for him. I wasn't a massive fan of the South African, but £3M for him was disgraceful business, which was one of the few things I thought Moyes was good at.
53 Posted 26/03/2011 at 20:37:34
We won't get Yobo back, so he doesn't count. Hopefully a million there!
For me, Bainsey, Jack and Coleman have to be kept at all costs. So who is expendable? My three are as follows:
Fellaini ? great on his day, but too few of them... we can sell (£25 million);
Heitinga ? I like Johnny and, unbelievably, last year saw him as a future captain. But his attitude has not been good and I feel he wants out (£10 million)
Bilyaletdinov ? I like him too, but can never see him holding down a regular spot (£10 million)
Well?...i f you were Davey what would you do? ps: Leave is not an option!!
54 Posted 26/03/2011 at 22:01:28
I can't believe you are saying Rodwell and Coleman have to be kept but Fellaini can be sold.
I presume you are basing that on the fact that we would get the most money for Mo if he was sold?
55 Posted 30/03/2011 at 06:34:11
1) The lad, for the past two seasons, hasn't managed to play more than 22 games, this season it's 20. That's 18 games without him.
2) He has more bad games than good imo and, when you factor in the above, that's 20 games, where approximately you might get 10/11 good games out of him for the season. That for me is a hell of a waste of talent. And then you have his injury-prone issues.
Dispite the fact he has some good games, for me it's simply not enough that out of 38 league games he has 11 good matches and 9 average with the rest out injured.
Clearly it's not a one-off either, remember back to last season where he only managed 22 matches... it makes economical sense to get what we can for him now, while the market will pay £25 Mill for him... not sure we'd get though, mind.
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