His decision to move, aided by the Big Guy upstairs, was surely based on the assumption that Spurs would be playing in Europe every season. I imagine that his only real highlight since joining Spurs would be the two-legged victory over AC Milan in the Champions League, both games in which he started, but was subbed with about 20 minutes to go.
Other than that, I am left thinking that, from a footballing perspective, he may well be starting to question the advice that his good buddy has given him. Yes, his pockets may be bulging a little more than they were when he was at Goodison, but I am assured that money was never a motivating factor in the joint decision made by our Peanuts and our Heavenly Father.
He has only played one full game for Spurs. This was in their 4-0 FA Cup humiliation at the hands of mighty London rivals ? Fulham. Not an enjoyable 90 minutes I would suggest. He has only started 4 Premier League matches, getting subbed in each one. These games included the 3-1 bashing at Blackpool and draws against Wolves and Newcastle. Hardly the stuff dreams are made of.
And he just might be starting to get a sore arse: In the ten Premier League games he has been in the matchday squad for, he has spent 496 minutes sat on the bench and only 404 minutes on the pitch, with the majority of those playing minutes coming from his first 5 games at the club. The last 5 Spurs league games have seen a total of just 70 minutes of Pienaar?s tireless running, trickery and general lack of end product.
With the likes of Bale, Van der Vaart and Dawson at Tottenham, Stephen Pienaar is unlikely to ever enjoy being a fans' favourite again. With the wealth of midfield talent at the club, he is just as unlikely to ever be one of Harry?s favourites.
So could the moral of this story be that the grass isn?t always greener? Or perhaps that God doesn?t always know best?
We, as contributors to ToffeeWeb on the other hand, nearly always do know best, and any player thinking of jumping from the Everton ship this summer would do well to keep this in mind!
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1 Posted 12/05/2011 at 06:50:51
Hadn't been following his Spurs career but interesting stats, the grass certainly isn't greener.
2 Posted 12/05/2011 at 06:50:50
Pienaar will not care one bit about the lack of on-field action provided his finances have improved. And the small amount of money spent by Spurs to secure his services was possibly a gamble by 'Arry to weaken Everton, who may have been seen as a rival for European football... who knows? He was only ever going to be cover for Bale at the most.
3 Posted 12/05/2011 at 07:30:24
4 Posted 12/05/2011 at 07:42:23
I would also have him back by the way, his link up with Baines was the best in the league at times over the last couple of seasons...
5 Posted 12/05/2011 at 08:02:30
6 Posted 12/05/2011 at 08:03:30
7 Posted 12/05/2011 at 08:06:35
Can't see Pienaar ever recreating what he had here with any other team, so, once again... oblivion!
By the way, mate, Nelson is a loverly place!!
8 Posted 12/05/2011 at 08:42:32
9 Posted 12/05/2011 at 09:01:09
I reckon Pienaar is in the same boat as Lescott. Ostensibly at clubs offering better prospects, yet relegated to bit-part players largely unappreciated by their new fans.
Sure they'll be telling themselves that they made the right decision, but ultimately I don't think they're finding things as rewarding as before. I may be biased, but it seems they're cutting a rather hollow appearance these days...
10 Posted 12/05/2011 at 09:56:12
11 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:15:13
For fucks sake give him a break, just because he fancied a move doesn't make him a sodding criminal, it's no wonder they call us "bitter blues".
Hmmm how do you spell "schaadenfreude"?
12 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:26:25
13 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:27:39
I'd still have him back!!!!
14 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:33:43
He truly stunk the place out! I had 3 feelings: 1) Up yours for leaving us, you greedy twat;
2) That's a shame to watch one of our old boys struggling so badly; and
3) Was he always this bad when he played for us and we just ignored the fact?
He just looked way out of his depth in what is clearly a very talented Spurs midfield and I guess you could put it down to being desperate to impress.
15 Posted 12/05/2011 at 09:27:33
The only reason I think it is fair game is that I believe the guy to be a hypocrite. Nothing to do with him leaving us because this is an opinion I frequently voiced when he was here. To practise so little of the faith you ram down others' throats by drink-driving and physically attacking women makes it open season in my opinion.
I do not care what someone's faith is or whether they have one at all. I do deeply resent holier-than-thou hypocrites. Just my holier-than-thou opinion though ;)
16 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:33:59
He was my favourite player and so comfortable on the ball, rarely gave it away cheaply and his relationship with Baines was special, only akin to Steven and Stevens in my life time. It would be interesting to see the stats on Baines's assists, pre and post Pienaar.
I blame the board for not doing enough to keep our best player (IMO), but there's no doubt he was tempted by the bright lights of North London.
Whilst Osman will never excite me in the same way Pienaar did, he has stepped up to the plate and performances like last Saturday are easing the pain.
17 Posted 12/05/2011 at 10:54:51
A hart is a deer, btw.
18 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:00:50
He had some skill on the ball for sure; but for a so called attacking midfielder, he should have had more goals and more assists to his name. I expect he will begin to fade away at Tottenham and appear at some middle of the road side in Europe.
19 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:18:32
I don't think he is alone either as I feel quite sure players such as Tim Cahill would take a lot more than a big paycheque to be lured away from Goodison Park. Leon Osman & Tony Hibbert are both given, even if some on here don't believe they could better their deals elsewhere. Phil Neville is quite possibly another and I hope Jags & Bainsey (being original Blues and apparently as passionate about us as ever) are too - but maybe I am wearing my blue-tinted specs with them. There are exceptions to the 'greedy professional footballer' rule and I rejoice that I believe we have several of them playing for us.
20 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:27:08
21 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:32:43
22 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:40:57
23 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:39:26
24 Posted 12/05/2011 at 11:35:02
25 Posted 12/05/2011 at 12:05:09
Pienaar forgot that his career was going nowhere until Moyes decided to take him to Everton and work with him such that he can find his strength. At Everton, he had the luxury to dictate the midfield, and he always had Bainesy to set up everything for him on a plate. Can't understand how God did not make him realize how lucky he was at Everton and that he should not have left.
Would love to have him back though. He complements Bainesy, rather that the other way round.
26 Posted 12/05/2011 at 12:36:47
27 Posted 12/05/2011 at 13:28:32
He has come in for some fierce criticism from Spurs fans on radio and the club websites, even Harry the lad has, had his share, regardng the purchase.
28 Posted 12/05/2011 at 12:52:09
The guy has gone, whether he went for money, to play in the capital or for European football it doesn't really make a difference to the players we have in the squad available to us.
It may be because I am in a bad mood as have to go to a wedding in Germany next mnoth which is going to be awful, but with all ex players, who cares! I love them when they play for EFC, and I love them if they love the club, but if they go we move on.
29 Posted 12/05/2011 at 13:18:48
He sold God down the river for 30 pieces of silver.
Just to correct Jimmy # 11 we bought him for 2.5 million and sold him for 2.5 million therefore did not buy him for nect to nothing and make a profit.
Personally I would sooner have kept him as it will cost us more than 2.5 million to replace him but Bullshit Bill and his buddies need the money apparently.
30 Posted 12/05/2011 at 13:53:22
31 Posted 12/05/2011 at 13:58:14
If I was DM, I'd try to sell them the Yak, Vaughan and Saha. That will really piss them off!
I think Pienaar is probably rueing the decision he made to leave as most footballers don't like sitting on the bench for long periods, especially when fit. We did warn him though. I bet that twat Redknap will slap a hefty £5-8 million price tag on him if he chose to sell him.
Can't see him leaving the bright lights soon as he has made his bed and now has to lie in it.
32 Posted 12/05/2011 at 14:14:13
33 Posted 12/05/2011 at 14:17:13
34 Posted 12/05/2011 at 14:08:40
Pienaar made up his own mind. Did he do the right thing? Well, as a Christian and an Evertonian, I would say that no he didn't do the right thing. In financial terms he is better off... but I don't think he has made a good career move. It looks like Spurs will have to sell a few in order to keep Bale and before any new signings are agreed. I was impressed by Redknap's attitude in the last two games: at Chelsea they were robbed and against Blackpool, Charlie Adam should have been given a red card for his tackle on Bale. I have seen Fellaini hammered by the MotD pundits, yet I don't recall anyone suffering a serious injury as a result of one of his challenges. Anyway I digress; yes 'Arry has shown a good attitude lately unlike some managers that one could mention!!
However, there's one thing I think Pienaar may have not looked at too carefully. Namely 'Arry likes to wheel and deal ? there seems to be a greater than average turnover of players at Tottenham. He could be on his way after a couple of years. Personally I was upset that Pienaar left as, whilst he was good for Everton, Everton was good for him. His career got back on track at Goodison, after he had struggled at Borussia Dortmund. I would not be surprised when his career is over if Steven Pienaar regrets having left Everton. Money isn't everything and, as regards game time, I am pretty sure he would have figured more prominently in Everton's team than he has at Spurs.
It reminds me in some ways of Scott Parker and Steve Sidwell. They left Charlton and Reading to go to Chelsea ? a supposed dream move. They may have earned loads more money at Stamford Bridge but it didn't do their careers any good, did it? Who knows, maybe he will be back at Everton in the future? The return of "a repentant sinner" would bring rejoicing in heaven. (Apologies for that one but I couldn't resist it!!!)
35 Posted 12/05/2011 at 14:44:55
Villa were also right up there with us and they've been hand-picking their players too.
36 Posted 12/05/2011 at 14:57:52
If it is all about money for Pienaar then I hope he enjoys it whilst watching his former team mates finish above him in the league. There has to be some glory still left in football and I doubt Pienaar will experience any even Spurs do win something. A win never felt quite the same for me if I was on the subs bench or I only featured for 15 minutes in the game.
37 Posted 12/05/2011 at 15:14:59
Pre: 7 assists plus 1 goal;
Post: 5 assists plus 1 goal and 2 penalties.
Pienaar Factor: zero.
38 Posted 12/05/2011 at 15:19:37
I'd imagine there are a few current blues who take note of what happens when you leave.
39 Posted 12/05/2011 at 15:25:41
My Pienaar-tinted glasses have obviously obscured how well Baines has coped since his departure; like many of the other posters, that is testament to Baines's quality.
40 Posted 12/05/2011 at 15:54:47
41 Posted 12/05/2011 at 16:15:47
42 Posted 12/05/2011 at 16:53:59
Second spell at Goodison? Nah... Not going to happen and honestly, i hope it doesn't. Lets move on.
43 Posted 12/05/2011 at 17:08:13
44 Posted 12/05/2011 at 17:10:20
Lee, there is a degree of truth in your comments but I think that Cahill, Leon Osman & Tony Hibbert are the exceptions that prove the rule. For every Hibbert there are a dozen Anelkas or Lescotts.
Don't get me wrong: it IS a relatively short career and players need to feather their nest while they can, but they could be honest about it and admit that they're only going for the money and save us this badge kissing fiasco every week, before slithering out under the door for their thirty pieces of silver.
Had Lescott been upfront and said that he was leaving for more money and, and, maybe, more chance of CL football, then most fans would have been disappointed but would have respected his position. To throw a sulk (the Arsenal match) until he got his own way was totally wrong. He would have made enough money at Everton to have secured his, and his family's future anyway.
45 Posted 12/05/2011 at 17:29:03
46 Posted 12/05/2011 at 18:39:49
47 Posted 12/05/2011 at 22:17:08
Spot on! I really don't know what the fuss is about! He never scored goals, went missing etc...
He had bags of space to play in because of Baines creating that space...
Don't get me wrong, I liked him, but he was never in Arteta's class. We're only arguing about this because we got NOTHING for him! If we'd have got £8m+ for him, we wouldn't have this thread.
He's no 'loss' - BAINES MADE HIM LOOK GOOD PEEPS!
48 Posted 12/05/2011 at 22:47:38
And to those who say ?he?s gone, get over it? I say fuck off! This guy was an important part of my life for a few years, and I think it?s natural to wonder how he?s getting on. Like when a girlfriend you really liked dumps you? you still think about her from time to time? and there?s a little piece of you which, even though you don?t really care anymore, makes you secretly hope that the new guy she?s with treats her like shit and makes her realise she was better off when she was with you.
49 Posted 13/05/2011 at 07:20:48
50 Posted 13/05/2011 at 12:35:20
He served us well, we have to let it go. There is a big chance he'll be playing in the CL with Spurs again in 18 months time, he certainly wouldn't if he chose to stay at Everton playing at Woodison Park. I wish him well, he didn't leave in the same was as Lescott. .
51 Posted 13/05/2011 at 13:20:45
Next season's top 4 will be the same as this season's I think - although as Eric Morecambe might have put it not necessarily in the same order !! Steven Pienaar may find himself surplus to requirements at Tottingham and be sacrificed in order to a) sign a big name Foreign star or b) try to keep Bale. I expect him to be out of WHL in another year or so. That's not bitterness - just an acknowlegement that Arry does more wheeling and dealing than Del boy.
52 Posted 13/05/2011 at 13:52:47
53 Posted 13/05/2011 at 14:15:20
Lescott and Pienaar have struggled to set their new teams on fire and even Rooney has had times where he looks distinctly average. I think when players go to these 'big' clubs with large squads and large bank balances, the pressure to perform actually has a detrimental effect on them.
For the blues, they WILL play week-in, week-out because they bloody have to!! And the adoration from the fans is alot more genuine and complete. I just wonder if Scott Parker has that mindset when he's looking for a new club?
Yes go to the Mancs or back to Chelski but if you want to play all the time, get credit for your performances, AND an England spot, then Goodison is your answer, Mr P ? and this time, don't ask for silly wages... (think I've just hit on a problem!)
54 Posted 13/05/2011 at 14:22:35
Still been very good, just not the exceptional consistency that he put in with Pienaar there.
55 Posted 13/05/2011 at 14:46:10
56 Posted 13/05/2011 at 15:27:21
57 Posted 13/05/2011 at 18:02:21
Perhaps he can enlighten us as to what wasn't fair about the contract.
It's hard to believe it would be anything other than money because Flash Harry can't offer anything other than more dosh - not even regular European football!
58 Posted 13/05/2011 at 18:34:41
59 Posted 13/05/2011 at 19:53:52
I'd love to have him back but that'll never happen in my opinion. There's no question though in footballing terms he's made the wrong decision.
60 Posted 13/05/2011 at 21:21:11
61 Posted 13/05/2011 at 21:49:03
........mmmm let's wait and see, rather than judge after 3 months
62 Posted 13/05/2011 at 22:07:52
1. He gets more money.
2. He has played Champions League football now.
3. Spurs will finish above us next season and will probably significantly strengthen the squad.
63 Posted 14/05/2011 at 00:06:48
64 Posted 14/05/2011 at 00:33:38
That said, I do wish ill on any good player still in their prime who leaves us, so the OP has got it right... aka Pienaar, Lescott, Rooney ? ill. Jo, AJ, Yobo etc - goodwill. Pretty basic stuff but true.
65 Posted 14/05/2011 at 09:00:06
66 Posted 14/05/2011 at 10:46:37
67 Posted 14/05/2011 at 12:27:16
His wage demands never squared with his ability and Spurs will come to see it in time. He's peaked and will go downhill from here on in.
Let's get some money spent on the wings and look to move on. Would far rather take the £3m plus £3m in wages per year we have in play from him, and put it into a player who is up and coming. That might sound bitter ? but Pienaar in 3 years time will be worthless whilst a decent, young well scouted replacement could be worth multiple more.
68 Posted 14/05/2011 at 14:27:20
But Spurs offered him more of what's important to him...
Inconsistent and overrated player who thinks he's god's gift... Best well shot of that one.
69 Posted 15/05/2011 at 04:27:15
Baines made him look better than he was and, most of the time I watched Pienaar play, he ran around in circles with very little end product. His leaving Everton had very little effect on us.
70 Posted 15/05/2011 at 11:50:34
71 Posted 15/05/2011 at 11:47:53
Also, Michael (#34), as for Fellaini not wishing to injure anyone on purpose, Liverpool's Kyrgiakos may have a different opinion! Quite ironic Karmic retribution intervened and he injured himself in the process!! Never been a great fan, always thought he was a bit of a thug, but we don't really know what the manager tells him to do!
Also DM did say that players sometimes don't do that well when they leave EFC! But, by the same token, quite a lot don't do well if they stay, judging by this season!!! Roll on August with a new quality striker and creative midfielder... yea right!!!
72 Posted 16/05/2011 at 01:08:46
I then followed with paragraph 2 which, in hindsight, made me sound like some kind of psycho stalker nut-job!
I only wrote this article as I found myslef wondering exactly how Peanuts was getting on and decided to take the time to look into it... and thought I'd share my findings. I genuinely am not that bitter toward the guy... nor have I ever lived with him (thanks Chris #55!)
My decision to include the religious undertone followed by idiotic ramblings to spice things up was an error of judgement. Maybe I could write for News of The World?
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