COLUMNIST KEN BUCKLEY
The day we saw money talking
Everton's great record against City came to an end as our policy of prudence,
denying our manager any leeway in the transfer market, was exposed by a squad of
players assembled for vast sums of money. Where we were looking at youngsters
and free transfers or loans to provide an attack, City had about Â£60M worth of
them on their bench.
Our game plan was soon evident ? ?Park the bus? and look for something on a break or more likely a set piece in or around the box.
Rodwell was doing a man-marking job on their instigator in chief Silva and Coleman and Neville put in a great shift of closing down in midfield. It worked well for an hour but that was frustrating to watch as it was plain that we lacked someone in midfield who could run at their backline with the ball and someone to make the forward runs to create space.
Yet we did start on the front foot and for some six or so minutes we were on top but yet again we did well until that final third when a combination of not enough bodies busting a gut to get in and the man on the ball dallying because nothing was showing in front of him led to no more than hopeful stuff which generally petered out.
The half then settled into attack v defence and it was evident that much work had been done on defending as we frustrated the mega rich outfit to very few if any chances until 35mins when Howard had to turn away Aguero?s on target shot with Dzeko in close attendance. He then saved a Gareth Barry shot before the Blues ended the half as they had begun it, on top, but without that clinical killer instinct.
Half-time and, amongst all the singing in the concourse area, most thought we were doing as well as we could in the circumstances.
The second half started with City on top and from a cross right at the start Distin headed the ball out of Howard?s hands for a corner which came to nought. The half then rumbled on as in the first session, pretty turgid stuff with the hosts unable to penetrate a resolute defence in which Distin was excelling.
It was a bit galling to see such good defensive work which required a great deal of concentration against such attacking players that City possess having no out-ball once they had it under control which meant the ?Hoof? upfield and then the ball straight back and start again.
70 mins was looming and I thought, if we can frustrate them for another 10, maybe we can get some fresh lags on and hope they get desperate and we can nick one as I had just seen Cahill send a header just over after good work down the right from Hibbert and Coleman. I wish I hadn?t had such thoughts as at that moment City who had sent on Balotelli on the hour mark struck.
We were just sorting ourselves out after Cahill had to go off after a tackle with Kompany which, by the touchline reaction, Kompany was reckless, but the ref gave the free kick to City and booked Cahill, when Aguero came into the box from the right and rolled it to Balotelli who despatched it into the corner with some aplomb only for the big screen replay to show it deflected off Jags. After all that great defending, a deflection does for us. But, the more you let them in the more chances they will have.
Saha was on for Cahill and Rodwell stopped dogging Silva?s steps as we tried to fashion something. Silva hit a post enjoying his first moments of freedom. The manager sent on Drenthe for Neville then a last throw of the dice when Vellios replaced Coleman who had run himself to a standstill. City were now well on top as we opened the game up and Silva had the ball in the net only to be flagged offside.
Howard made a great save from Balotelli and Distin was doing the work of three men. You suspected a second goal for them would come but when it did it was all our own work. Drenthe dwelt on the ball as if not knowing what to do, he eventually tried to pick out Baines with a cross field pass but instead gave it to that man Silva who raced between Jags and Distin and laid on a superb through ball for Milner to finish.
In injury time the willing Vellios robbed Clichy on the by-line and fed Fellaini but his shot was cleared from the line. Final whistle and the travelling noisy faithful gave the lads a good send off. MotM ? Distin.
Overall I thought, considering the gulf in spending power and therefore the quality available to the hosts, we did very well in a tactical defensive sense and every player put in a great shift. Both their goals were a result of our own misfortune and poor play rather than super stuff. It?s just the last third that thwarts us, everyone knows what we need but, until such time as money is available from somewhere, this will have to be our forte.
Today I saw probably our best performance of the season in terms of graft, unity and concentration the players rally tried to make it work. I also thought that, for the short time the teenager Vellios was on, he looked to me as he just might turn out to be our best option up top, there was just something about him and his cameo that resonated with me. We can?t rely on Saha as one glimpse of his playing record will reveal...
Not all gloom and doom for me as for all the money lavished on City they didn?t look that great today and that says a lot for our players and management in these austere times.
I don?t like to criticise refs as I think most do a difficult job (In real time) very well but today our World Cup ref Mr Webb gave a strange performance, rightly booking a few of our players but not doing so to City players who committed very similar fouls. It was noticeable to many of us ? I just hope the assessor in the stand earns his corn.
Just a little matter of a clash with the neighbours next ? Of course we can do them ? can?t we?
UP THE BLUES
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1 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:42:22
2 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:35:38
No...... because if money talked in this game then what's the difference with the RS?
It's all so very pointless.
3 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:38:22
I thought Moyes tactics very poor - it became obvious the longer the game went on that we needed a specialist striker on the pitch. Yet again he waits until virtually the game is lost. Vellios looked good on the ball and held it up well. He is given about 10 minutes. What is the point of having 3 strikers on the bench and playing an attacking midfielder as an emergency striker ?
It's not getting the best out of Cahill nor is it getting the best out of Fellani who was also used as an emergency striker in the second half it would seem. !! When you have no other players available ok - but he had Saha, Vellios and Stac. These new lads are not going to learn unless they get game time.
I read Moyes comments about Vellios scoring last week. I would not have expected him to say something like " We can expect loads more goals from him" But for goodness sake could he not have given him some praise instead of being so damned negative? Moyes is one of the most frustrating Everton managers I have ever known. He set his stall out today for 0-0. Nobody would have expected him to "gung ho " all out attack - but is is too much to ask that we play a specialist striker ? All Vellios and Strac are going to learn by being kept on the bench is an appreciation of the architecture of English Premier League stadiums.
When we went a goal down Moyes and Round looked like Football's version of the Chuckle brothers - clueless. I don't have cricket coaching badges but I know that Pietersen is not a good choice as an opening bowler in a Test match for England. You don't have to have coaching badges to know that Cahill is NOT a centre forward.
4 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:58:39
5 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:57:13
There are teams lower in the league than us thet actually play 2 STRIKERS!!! SHOCK HORROR - Yes Ken 2 strikers some of them away from home. Moyes seems completely clueless when it comes to strikers and if he doesn't buck his ideas up then we are stuffed.
Yes Ken that's Mr David - very well paid to his job and he's got loads of coaching badges Moyes. If he is that good amanger Ken then why when jobs like Chelsea come up is he not in the frame? Or is he mentioned as a successsor to Ferguson ? No he isn't Ken - have you thought that might be because he favours a safety first negative approach ? Face the facts - Moyes is too negative.
6 Posted 24/09/2011 at 19:09:48
The striker complaining is getting old. Saha went for months last year without a goal and Vellios has about 50 mins of first team experience. When we beat City in the past we had Pienaar, Arteta, Beckford, Yakubu etc all of whom have left and not been replaced so it is ridiculous to come on here and complain because we lost 2-0 to a team that beat Spurs 5-1 away a few weeks ago and look like they are in a runaway two-horse race for the title.
If you want to criticize a game then criticize the tactics in the QPR game. This games was one we were always likely to lose. Be real people.
7 Posted 24/09/2011 at 19:10:30
The difference for me is that the teams we have played at Goodison recently all have someone in midfield/attack who can drive forward and pace (not to mention specialist forwards). Wigan, Villa and West Brom all provided us more of a threat than we did to City. Arguably because of the qualities the players they used have and how their manager set their team up to play.
Moyes stuck out a team with no pace (aside from Coleman), thus pulls them back in case they get caught out upfield. But then, he has few options! I expect more away displays like this.
I agree with Ken's comments about Vellios, he added a spark today. Maybe it is because he is playing tired defenders, but if we don't give him more chances, we'll never know how he'll fare from the off...
8 Posted 24/09/2011 at 19:18:49
One of our stars is without doubt Fellaini. But that is in central mid. Not up front. There, he is most definitely not a star and we are effectively wasting him.
Also, the simple fact is that, if you play most of the game in and around your own box, then, at some point, they are going to get chances. And, if they are any good, there is a good chance they will take one. Or two.
I would just love to see players play in their correct positions. I'm sure it would help.
9 Posted 24/09/2011 at 19:31:54
There are about Â£400 million reasons why we struggled today. That's what City have spent over the past three years.
Even if Vellios/Saha had started up front instead of Cahill, I can't see it would have made much difference, especially as Cahill ran his arse off, not exactly Saha's strength. Having said that, it would be good to see Vellios now given a run.
The reason teams spend squillions is that it wins games and it wins titles. It's grossly naive to think we can cope week-in, week-out against this. Tactically, Moyes was probably spot on, but this time unlike the previous two visits, it didn't work. City just spend and spend until they succeed. Nice work, eh!
Our record against money clubs is pretty decent. You could see how hard our lads were trying against quicker, more skilful opposition. Unfortunately, the gap is growing.
10 Posted 24/09/2011 at 20:08:31
11 Posted 24/09/2011 at 20:11:05
I would like to think that the lads will take something from this game. At the same time, I know the usual suspects will be lining up to crucify Moyes.
12 Posted 24/09/2011 at 20:46:39
Michael, you're talking shite.
13 Posted 24/09/2011 at 19:25:02
He seemed pleased with the display today and no doubt we'll see more of the same away against the top teams. He also mentioned in his interview what City had done to Spurs recently and the need to avoid a similar outcome. If we had been open against them today it would have been 4 or 5 easily.
Does anyone really think playing Vellios would have made any difference to the result? No, instead there was a risk of the lad having a nightmare and setting his confidence back.
Cahill was always going to be picked today so I'm not sure why people get worked up about it ? it's just the way it is. If Everton finish 7th this season they'll have won 'their league'; thinking we can compete on an even basis with City is just a pipe dream.
14 Posted 24/09/2011 at 21:03:10
15 Posted 24/09/2011 at 22:03:18
If you are in favor of the tactic, wouldn't you agree that the front man or men would need pace and holding skills to be effective. Cahill and Felli don't have the tools for the job Moyes gave them.
Unfortunately, Webb's ridiculous reffing took the bite out of our middle and caused us to play even deeper. Applaud the valiant loss if you like, I would have preferred a gameplan with a real chance. Nothing ventured, nothing gained ? fits the bill.
16 Posted 24/09/2011 at 22:28:35
And don't give me any of this 'Gameplan' malarky.
NON-GAMEPLAN more like. We fluked 3 pts at Blackburn and got lucky vs Wigan... Really looks like it's working well, dunnit???
17 Posted 25/09/2011 at 00:41:22
However, Davey Moyes should know that we can't play such a negative game and get away with it viz a vie Man Utd at Old Trafford last season. If your going to play so negatively you need at least players up the pitch who are going be able to hold the ball up. If it's continually going straight back at your defence it's just a matter of time before the other side scores.
We've had a good record in recent times against the likes of Man Utd, RS and Chelski by having a go at them. Why not at least try to win?!!!!
18 Posted 25/09/2011 at 02:40:40
19 Posted 25/09/2011 at 04:50:52
Tim being out will be a great help, he distorts the team as he is neither a striker nor a decent midfielder but it will still be a negative line up
Liverpool will beat us next week, of that there is little doubt for me.
20 Posted 25/09/2011 at 03:01:36
21 Posted 25/09/2011 at 09:31:26
Our premier league is developing into another SFA with just two or perhaps three teams winning every week against much poorer teams and we are in the poorer teams group !!
If we continue to defend the way we do at present then we will survive and ALL the plaudits must be given to our heroic defenders....Distin has proved to be a wonderful acquisition and he along with the rest of the back four should be given thanks for preventing a very good City side from murdering us.
Once the subs came on and we started to try to attack, City became much more likely to score more goals when the game got stretched.
22 Posted 25/09/2011 at 10:23:55
23 Posted 25/09/2011 at 10:50:03
24 Posted 25/09/2011 at 10:58:53
25 Posted 25/09/2011 at 10:56:36
We may be skint but I think most of our players are capable of doing better than that. Very surprised with Ken`s report which echoed Moyes's praise of the gross negativity employed.
Was this my Damascus moment?
26 Posted 25/09/2011 at 11:49:34
Rant over now back to work in the rain offshore
27 Posted 25/09/2011 at 12:00:05
I'd have rather lost 5 3 and be slightly excited than watch that negative, dour drivel.
If Moyes starts without a striker against the shite next week, I'm going to drive to his house and punch him square in his face.
28 Posted 25/09/2011 at 12:34:35
I think it was our best display of the season, despite the result and it seems we are not waiting till December to get our season going. There is no doubt we will improve as the season goes on, but we have to come out the other side of October still playing well and with our heads held high. If we can do that we have a great chance of a European place.
29 Posted 25/09/2011 at 12:48:34
My only quibble was the failure to push people up at corners. I know we would have been vulnerable on the break but the chance of scoring must surely have outweighed that risk.
30 Posted 25/09/2011 at 13:12:52
31 Posted 25/09/2011 at 13:11:33
32 Posted 25/09/2011 at 13:39:42
Yet still fans stick up for him...UNBELIEVABLE
33 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:01:31
34 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:10:32
Have things really changed that much in terms of the limited resources Moyes accepts as his tools? After all, he repeatedly tells us all the decisions about players are his alone. That therefore includes the loss of Pienaar and Arteta.
No; what's changed is Moyes. He's gone even further into his shell. Even deeper into another negative dour shite anti-football funk. Accepting that is accepting mediocrity ? or something below mediocrity. It's interesting that it's all his regular apologists who accept and excuse this, while anyone who dares to suggest another path is accused of not getting real.
On another thread, Steve Higham got it right: IMWT ? In Mediocrity We Trust
35 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:21:52
36 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:36:44
Yes. Is the easy answer to that question.
Piennar and Arteta have left and NOT been replaced with sufficient quality.
Man City on the other hand have got Dzeko, Nasri and Aguero, three genuine world class players.
It's not 'accepting Mediocrity. it's been realistic.
Its 2011, we're not in the late 80s anymore.
We're a mid sized club in the premier league.
37 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:47:51
We're talking about how Everton played just last season. Do try to keep up will you!
We're supposed to be a top-ten Premier League club that was not intimidated by any other team. This season we've lost that and it's all too clear there is only one man to blame.
38 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:01:41
I ignore the comments of many people who believe we should simply accept losing to City because they have more money than us. Football doesn?t work like that; managers have to do the best they can with the resources they're provided with. For the last few seasons, I don?t believe Moyes has done that.
In my opinion there is just no pressure on the players, the manager or the board. David Moyes knows that he can never be sacked as long as Bill Kenwright is at Everton and Kenwright knows he?ll always have support as long as Moyes is at Everton. Moyes operates like a corrupt policeman in a mafia move protecting some godfather. Kenwright in my opinion is just a man out of his depth, who doesn?t really know what to do; Moyes is different.
My problem is with Moyes is that he never seems to learn anything and we never seem to progress. I?ll give you an example: we get two 0-0 draws with Chelsea in the league playing the ball on the floor, yet, in the FA Cup Final, Moyes decides to play hoofball meaning we constantly gave away possession.
He doesn?t seem to be able to identity when players are underperforming ? everybody remembers last year with he continually played Heitinga in midfield. He decided that Everton would offer a contract to the ineffective Mikel Arteta, despite the fact he?d been useless since his injury. Jags to me is becoming like another Yobo, very good to start off with then just seems to constantly lose his concentration.
Â£14 million could have easily bought us a decent striker. We have enough cover in that area of the field. Then it would have been alright to sell two strikers, but to sell two half-decent strikers and bring in no real replacement is unforgivable. Say what you like about Beckford but he chipped in with quite a few goals despite it being his first season in Premier League football.
I disagree with the notion DM has had no money to spend; he has had money on some occasions and wasted it. Â£10 million on Billy, Â£11 Million on the Yak, Â£8 million on AJ. His biggest crime though was to spend Â£15 million on Felaini then spend 2 years playing him in the wrong position.
We?re now left with an over-defensive side, a midfield defunct of any kind of creativity. More and more fans are voting with their feet and choosing not to attend games anymore... and I?m one of them. Our attendances have decreased by nearly 4000 fans which tell you quite a lot. On Saturday it?s highly likely we?re going to get beaten 3-0 by Liverpool, despite Moyes setting up a 4-6-0 formation.
Neither the players, the manager, nor the owner seem to have any ambition of trying to help Everton progress. Moyes seems quite happy to just sit at Everton getting paid Â£70k a week acting as Kenwright's PR man.
I don?t believe we?ll buy anybody decent in January with the money, Moyes will probably buy another central defender or a defensive midfielder. I don?t believe we even deserve to continue as a football club, the way the club takes advantage of our loyal fans is disgusting, after all it?s only ever us that suffer.
I disagree with the Blue Union: DM is just as much to blame for the mess we?re in as, like BK, it doesn?t seem bothered about our decline. He?s just waiting for a phone call from United... and, by that time, we could playing in the Championship. Him and BK need to be ousted if Everton FC is to survive.
39 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:57:26
40 Posted 25/09/2011 at 17:33:14
He saw the opposition and set his team up how he thought best. I didn't like it, but I don't think those tactics will be employed against Liverpool either.
One match of shite and everyone thinks its how it always was and how it always will be.
41 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:03:19
But your comment belies a failure to understand what we're really talking about here. Moyes is the manager for fuck's sake. Yet he sets up his Everton team to lose, and he and his apologists expect the fans to accept that.
All I've ever called for is for Moyes to do a better job, yet we have to accept this media/pundit bollocks that everything he does is wonderful "under the circumstances". Well, it isn't... and he needs to be called on it.
Sadly, far too many Evertonians accept this bollocks; I cannot.
42 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:06:57
Lets get Owen Coyle in. He's been to Arsenal and got spanked, Liverpool and got spanked, played City at home and got spanked and whos team is bottom of the league.
Or Ian Holloway who got his team relegated
Or Nigel Clough as someone said on here the other day.
Or maybe the other managers who Moyes keeps coming ahead of season after season.
43 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:12:07
44 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:14:38
Maybe we should go for Owen Coyle as he is the new forward thinking manager that works with limited money.......remind me where are Bolton in the league?
45 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:02:53
What a load of shite! Give the bloke some credit - in fairness to him, right or wrong, he'll play 4-5-1 and there's no such thing as a "highly likely" correct score never mind 3-0 away. Put a tenner on it Chris, its got a chance but highly likely it isn't. Probable, maybe. Possible, clearly. Highly Likely? No.
Re: Money - check out the success rate v money spent stats and unfortunately that is exactly how football currently works - else how do you explain City's current success? Mancini? Chelseas trophy haul over teh past two decades? Even Blackburn's Premier League title.......?
We've beaten the odds over the past two seasons but unfortunately its a bridge too far now as far as City are concerned, we'll get the odd glorious victory over them, like Chelsea and Man Utd, but the odds are stacked too high against us now. Sad - but true I'm afraid.
46 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:16:02
Yak got 20 goals in his 1st season and then got injured. Hardly Moyes's fault that, is it?
Billy I'll give you.
Beckford was shite and to get Â£4M for him is great business.
The fact is Moyes has had money but much much less than people believe are our peers like Villa, Spurs.
47 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:21:55
48 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:20:36
I'm not being funny - wherever that term "apologist" came from it's fucking hilarious - a little badge used by little people.
49 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:31:52
50 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:43:18
51 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:47:23
After last week's result against Wigan, David Moyes apparently made more of Vellios not spotting Osman was free and putting hin through for a chance for 4-1 than of the goal that the lad had scored. Unbelievable!!! I know that a good manager would want to keep the lad's feet on the ground and not go overboard in singing his praises, but a good manager would also give the lad some praise.
The only period of the game yesterday that we seemed to cause City problems was in the last 10 minutes when we had 2 strikers on the pitch. Did you notice how when the ball was played up to Vellios he was able to keep hold of it and lay it off to an Everton player ? How many times ws Cahill able to do that ? And that's NOT a citicism of Tim - he is a midfield player - an attacking midfield player NOT a centre forward.
Alan Ball was top scorer in his first couple of seasons I think it was but do you think he would have been played as centre forward/striker if Alex Young or Joe Royle were available !!?
And Aiden #12 If you seriously think that David Moyes has a chance of being a future manager of Manchester United/Chelsea/Arsenal then it is you who are taking shite. He is living on this myth of creating a team on shoe string - yet in the space of 12 months August 2007 and August 2008 he spent Â£26M on 2 players - Yak and Fellani - I am sure there's other managers out there who would like to have had that kind of money to spend. He gets very well paid - and I for one expect some kind of tactical vision from someone so highly rated as a coach. Instead we get the same old story everytime - to say his tactics are predictable is an understatement.
Consider this - Vellios and Strac are both unknown quantities. We don't know what they are capable of - well neither do opposing teams and their managers. Might it not be useful to consider the element of surprise as being a strength in our squad. No our Manager , who whines on about the lack of experience which I doubt will do wonders for the confidence of the players.
Maybe these lads will work out to be good Premier League players - maybe they will not. But there's only one way to find ot and that's by giving them a chance. They are not going to learn much by being given the odd 10 minutes. Both could learn a lot by being played alongside Saha - but will that happen ? Two strikers playing in the same match from the start ? 4-4-2 ? It's hardly revolutionary is it ? Perhaps for Moyes it is!!!
52 Posted 25/09/2011 at 18:42:04
Michael Kenrick, this notion that Moyes sets his teams up to lose just isn't supported by actual results. Your arguments, never supported by evidence, and the now opportunistic sneering at Moyes and his supporters is getting tiresome.
I could take your opinons as just that if they weren't accompanied by veiled insults and childish taunts at those who have actually bothered to reflect on context or who have bothered to look at real actual results during Moyes tenure.
There is a case against Moyes based on the desire for more attacking football, and some here articulate this well, they accept the risk this brings in the name of being better entertained. They know teams who try this often end up in the shit, but view it as an honourable way to play. Fair enough.
However your own criticisms are bitter, malevolent and show no understanding or recognition of what opening up does to teams (exept money clubs). No context. You assume to insult other more rational arguments, yet your naivity is there for all to see. I suggest you read and learn from other Moyes detractors.
Examine Moyes Premier League record over the past eight seasons and then compare with other managers and other teams. Then bother to look at the influence money has in terms of success - do so in a structured way - in fact, I'll do it for you - there is a direct correlation! You fail to understand the implications of this.
For the reasons mentioned I'll no longer take your reports/comments seriously, much as I admire you/anyone for running a forum like this, but I can get 'off the chest stuff' on other sites.
53 Posted 25/09/2011 at 19:26:40
What myopic, hare-brained, limp-wristed, yellow, white-flag waving surrender. It's not realism. It's not accepting the inevitable. It's not cash-poor versus cash-heavy. Nor is it a case of bad luck or us doing a little better than another team. Pure defensive, apologist, Moyes-blinded drivel.
Hey Rahman ? do you accept mediocrity in all walks of life? Yesterday was all down to Moyes. It wasn't even down to what he had available to him through our lying, 'professional' scouser, arrogant, small-minded chairman, who belongs not in the present, but in the Peter Swales years (although at least Swales dug into his pockets for the team he owned and apparently loved).
I cannot believe that anyone could possibly write that Moyes was 'spot on' with his tactics. 'Spot on'! Richard Dodd, I applaud your honesty and integrity on coming on this board with that dose of actual realism.
The realism yesterday was not to be counted in pounds, shillings, and pence, but in the unforgettable and heart-breaking sight of an Everton manager with no guts, no nous, no ambition, no dare, and worst of all, no belief that the players he had on his hands might have done much better if only he had let them play to their individual abilities and strengths.
Make no mistake, we have some quality players, who ? when deployed well and at their best ? can be a treat to watch. The blame for yesterday's humiliating capitulation rests squarely on Moyes's seemingly very broad shoulders: no apology, no humility, not even a hint of an 'I may have got it wrong', but bullshitting Kenwrightesque "Didn't we do well defensively?"
No Moyes, we didn't do well defensively, we conceded two goals (I don't give a shit if one or both was deflected).
Rahman and your ilk, you might like watching 11 EFC players camped in their own half and every commentator under the sun saying that it's only a matter of time before City score (bad luck, my fucking arse), but I don't and it seems that a number of others feel the same. This cowardly cave-in is not the Everton I was raised to watch and adore (and still adore) from the 1970s on.
Don't fudge the issue and whine on and on about money and luck running out. That was close to Moyes's worst ever 96 minutes in Everton's driving seat. And nothing will change, it seems, barring a miracle.
I respect Trevor Birch and his comments make chilling reading today after yesterday. I would love to be constructive, but at this minute all I can think of is Â£30 million for Barkley, you gotta be kidding me.
You embarrassed my great club yesterday, Moyes.
54 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:13:30
apologies due I reckon!
...and nicely put Jeff
55 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:10:14
If DM had played an attack-minded side and we had lost heavily then the damage to both our league position and confidence of the players would have been immeasurable. We have a very small squad and survival is the best we can expect in view of the way our club's assets (both players and money) has been squandered.
Look realistically at the squad we have and compare it with virtually every other teams' squads and stop just blaming Moyes for everything.
56 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:12:14
57 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:18:18
You've taken over Dave Wilson's mantle off talking pompous garbage.
MK's responses were nothing of the sort.
I read another equally long post of yours along the lines of "400 million reasons why Citeh beat us......blah balh blah", then another post you trumpet a prospective win in next weeks derby.
Where's your logic?
There's a 100 + million reasons why the RS will beat us according to your analysis.
If money is the be all and end all why did Stoke give Utd a goal start yesterday then comeback and nearly win it?
58 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:35:12
You suggested we should follow Fulham's example against City. They were at home, it was one game, they'll bomb as usual by the end of the season.
Why do you think the same teams win everything? ? because they spend money. You seem to be in denial about this.
We might beat the shite next week, but I know one thing for certain, if we'd spent Â£100m before the season started we'd have a better chance doing it!
59 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:25:06
I just can't believe he let Beckford and the Yak go we're missing any type of goal threat. At least last season if Saha was playing poorly you could of brought in Beckford. Denis looks good in the air but we don't put in enough crosses, I pray to god we beat the RS next week but I am expecting a defeat. Playing defensive football is great, if you know how to defend to don't at the moment. Drenthe has to start along with Saha if we want to beat the RS. At City last season we played attacking football from the off scored then sat back, we sat back after the 10th minute. For the first time in years I don't have any hope that we'll beat the RS.
60 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:51:12
61 Posted 25/09/2011 at 20:55:07
62 Posted 25/09/2011 at 21:41:57
You're not the full ticket are you?
I didn't suggest anything - Fulham.????
63 Posted 25/09/2011 at 21:55:10
Clearly you dont 'geddit'?
Keep on whinging instead boy!
64 Posted 25/09/2011 at 22:28:39
You ARE Dave Wilson......making stuff up, sanctimonious, not answering questions.
65 Posted 25/09/2011 at 22:17:04
Fair play Chris Butler - I know where you're coming from and think we're all frustrated and a bit pissed off in general. To be honest despite his brace Yak had to go, its a shame it didn't work out for Becks as he had great movement but how much more...? As for Saha, if were pinning our hopes on him I think we're proper fucked so it's Vellios all the way!
Moyes is far from perfect, I'm calling for his head every other week but he shouldnt be judged on losing to City away any more than he should be judged last season for winning the same fixture.
I'm as jaundiced as anyone by 6-5-1 but it was the right thing to do yesterday IMO and could be next weekend though I'd rather see Vellios given a start and go for it.
If we get beat 3-0 I will buy you a bottle of your favourite tipple - we'll be all right but I understand your concerns.
66 Posted 25/09/2011 at 22:51:11
67 Posted 25/09/2011 at 22:59:38
"Trevor (56) - Stoke came back courtesy of a - like him or not - Â£10 million proven International striker signed close season"
So what ?
The financial differntial between the 2 clubs remains.- Manu spend that much on toilet paper.
This differential is the justification proffered for the Moyes tactics - it's bullshit - Stoke nearly won because they had a go.
68 Posted 25/09/2011 at 23:38:16
The gulf in wealth is apparent over a season. Games sometimes produce unlikely results, it proves nothing except that theres still a bit of unpredictability left in the game.. At the end of the day Stoke will finish below us, like all these teams did last year.
Did they 'have a go' when they got dicked four-nil by Sunderland? You cant have it both ways. Take the blinkers off.
69 Posted 25/09/2011 at 23:51:16
Not interested .....you're an idiot
70 Posted 25/09/2011 at 23:54:59
Keep taking the meds.
71 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:00:11
Sleep tight. ahh
72 Posted 25/09/2011 at 23:53:47
We did not buy anyone in to do that job - hence that job was not done. Is maths not your strong suit?
73 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:02:46
74 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:27:09
75 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:24:08
76 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:30:28
Next week's episode on TW:
Get Pardew in FFS.
77 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:31:33
Unfortunately, the evidence is very clear that Moyes adopted a totally negative approach (surely nobody in their right mind is arguing otherwise?) He even abandoned any pretence of hope for plucky little Everton with his abominable 'knives/guns' comment.
Such negativity prior to a key Premier League fixture ? one Everton had won in the previous two seasons ? was a shocking dereliction of his duty as manager. This arguably set the team up to lose... and they duly obliged. A number of fans can see that... and a number can't. All I can do is express my viewpoint.
If it helps, I accept your disdain for this viewpoint... I feel likewise about yours; however, bringing such a personnel attack into the discussion is not appreciated, so please drop that angle.
78 Posted 26/09/2011 at 00:57:52
79 Posted 26/09/2011 at 01:14:15
80 Posted 26/09/2011 at 04:14:17
He was right to camp in our own half. he was unlucky to go down 1-0 on a deflection.
My take was that he was going to use his subs in the last 20 minutes to get something out of the game.
WE WERE JUST UNLUCKY.
Learn to live with it.
Sometimes, a plan just doesn't work the way it;s supposed to be.
81 Posted 26/09/2011 at 04:20:04
82 Posted 26/09/2011 at 09:20:06
We can not play 4-4-2 against hardly any team in the EPL now, our midfield and defence are simply not strong enough. Arsenal attacked and Man U and shipped 8, Spurs attacked City and shipped 5, Chelse played a beautiful attacking 4-3-3 at United and were 3 down at half time despite playing very good football.
Jack Rodwell had a fantastic game despite being slagged by many here. Do we really deserve a good side? I wonder sometimes as I feel that the sentimentality would be generally negative from many if we had the 1970 side back again.
83 Posted 26/09/2011 at 09:23:54
You said that ?If he is that good amanger [sic] Ken then why when jobs like Chelsea come up is he not in the frame?? Well never know who was really on Abramovich?s shortlist but the media certainly touted Moyes as a potential successor when Hiddink moved on. The bookies agreed.
You asked ?is he mentioned as a successsor to Ferguson ?? and provided the answer ?No he isn't Ken?. Actually, he has been. Repeatedly. The link I provided was simply one of numerous examples.
Even though I disagree with it, your opinion of Moyes is one you?re fully entitled to hold and to express. The problem is, your own argument - that if Moyes was actually any good he?d be linked to jobs like these - undermines the credibility of your case.
84 Posted 26/09/2011 at 14:03:11
85 Posted 26/09/2011 at 16:35:50
Moyes DID adopt his normal way of playing, it was just with a midfielder in a strikers role instead of a striker! I wonder how long many premiership managers spend trying to work out what tactics everton will play against them?
86 Posted 26/09/2011 at 17:00:54
As soon as City scored and Rodwell released the shackles to try to contribute something going forward, Silva immediately had a goal dissalowed, hit the post and then set up the 2nd goal. I dred to think what he could have done over the entire 90 mins had Rodwell not been shaddowing him all over the pitch.
87 Posted 26/09/2011 at 17:11:43
Personally, I was gutted and pretty angry when I saw the team sheet. It was clear that we were hoping for a 0-0 draw.
Which is naive - you can't possibly hope to defend and not concede for 90 minutes against a team like city who has even on the substitutes bench got players who can produce something from nothing.
Do it in the last 15 minutes maybe to get a result...
I would rather have seen a 4-4-2 line up with instruction to give it everything going forward for the first 45 to try and score first and get up them enough they were rattled. I would rather lose 4-0 giving it everything up front than lose 2-0 trying to park the bus. Same points either way, but one has the fans respect...
88 Posted 26/09/2011 at 18:17:30
89 Posted 27/09/2011 at 07:34:14
90 Posted 27/09/2011 at 13:10:08
KO competition isn't the same as a marathon of a championship campaign. If it was the first leg at United they would park the bus because that would be the only strategy they have.
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