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Rangnick distances himself from Everton speculation

by | 02/06/2013

Porto won't confirm Pereira; Martinez in pole position

Ralf Rangnick appeared to quash speculation linking him with the Everton manager's role in quotes attributed to him in the German press today.

The 54 year-old told MDR television that he is less than a year into his three-year contract with Red Bull before dismissing reports in the English press that he had met with Bill Kenwright in London on Thursday.

"You can not take anything seriously, what is written in the media like that," Rangnick said.

Despite the denial, Rangnick is believed to have been approached by Kenwright with regard to succeeding David Moyes and the Blues Chairman is expected to announce his decision early this coming week.

Media reports over the past few days suggest that Kenwright has a three-man shortlist, with Roberto Martinez, Vitor Pereira, Rangnick and West Bromwich Albion's Steve Clark all rumoured to be among the candidates.

Confirmation of whether Pereira will remain in charge of FC Porto won't come until 12th June, meanwhile. The Portuguese champion's president, Pinto da Costa, said that while the identity of the club's manager for next season has been confirmed, he refused to name him, insisting that he will be sticking to the planned date for the announcement.

For Everton, all signs seem to point towards Martinez, however, with the Spaniard still the odds-on favourite with bookmakers. The Wigan boss met with Kenwright last week and is expected to be announced as the Blues' next permanent manager, possibly today.

Quotes or other material sourced from Suddeutsche.de via Google Translate

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Kevin Day
523 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:31:28
It's all becoming a bit of circus now really, but, do we expect anything less?
Tony Twist
526 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:25:01
Perhaps it's bluff and counter bluff. Martinez, say, is asking a lot to become next Everton boss, all of a sudden there are numerous candidates this information perhaps is an attempt to put pressure on Martinez to lower his demands, perhaps Martinez's representatives mention other interested parties in him so to put the pressure on Billy Boy to agree to his demands then all of a sudden this german comes on the scene to add to the mix. Or maybe BK has made his decision and the unsuccessful candidates have been told and the ones with jobs are denying any interest in the position to keep themselves in employment! Who knows! oh the joys of being an Evertonian!
John Shepherd
528 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:37:04
This needs putting to bed now. Sick of all the speculation. It's turning into the usual farce that surrounds EFC.
Gary Carter
531 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:48:38
The mind boggles at what Martinez's "demands" could be considering he's proven himself totally useless in the premier league ! And call me picky but isn't the above 3 man shortlist actually a 4 man shortlist ?
Patrick Murphy
532 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:54:02
Not If Rangnick has denied any interest in the vacancy, he has allegedly been replaced on the list by Steve Clarke. Martinez must still remain favourite though because he's only had permission off Whelan , at least publicly, to talk to us and nobody else.
Chris Bentham
533 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:54:44
What has he actually said.?? Don't believe everything you read. It's hardly a denial.
I'm looking forward to the announcement now sooner rather than later.. Out of the top 3 supposedly and the one or two others they all seem like good candidates and it looks like whoever they choose we'll be playing a braver type of football next year. Lets trust the board they done right by us last time lets trust them again.

Looking forward to next year already COYB

Drew Shortis
536 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:54:06
What exactly was Martinez expected to do at Wigan Gary? Top four finish? His brief was to keep them in the league, a task he accomplished three seasons running and just missed out on this season by three points. The first FA Cup in their history seems to have taken the edge off it a little for Wigan fans though! And unlike Portsmouth before them I can't see them disappearing without a trace. Pretty harsh and inaccurate to describe him as totally useless!

I wonder how he would have done over the past four years with some meaningful resources at his disposal? I'm sure he could have done a lot better than Hodgson or Dalglish managed to do at Liverpool for example. Speculative I know, but I'm just trying to put things into perspective a bit.

Brendan McLaughlin
537 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:08:32
Drew
"His brief was to keep them in the league"...yip & he didn't
Tony Marsh
538 Posted 02/06/2013 at 22:59:44
And so it continues,this Bill Kenwright production of how to drag a club through the mud once more.Its beyond a farce now.Didnt a number of you think Rangnick had been interviewed last week?.Please appoint someone so we can get a good nights Kip,What is it about EFC thats it has to put the supporters through the mangle every season without fail.I a today untill going to switch off from it all after today untill Pip and Co are unvieled next week.If not Pip then Stubbsy and who ever.To be honest its now become so boring and typical Everton that the press cant be arsed covering it any more.Its not in any papers I have read today and who can blame them.BK will probably roll out another few names this week and try to swing the lead a little further.

Can we please be put out of our misery by the end of the week so I can go away on my Jollies in peace...I don't care who it is anymore I just want to be off death row.

Gary Carter
541 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:24:41
Drew, Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell also had a similar brief and did much better at it than him but I don't see people clammering for them to be named as Everton manager !! And all his FA cup win does nothing to gloss over that for me either. On another note, I also read somewhere that apart from that win he went out to lower league opposition each time prior to that but I'm too lazy to check it lol

And as Brendan said, he failed his brief anyway !!!!

Gary Carter
542 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:28:24
Oh and also Drew, he wont get "meaningful resources" with us either, we are skint !!
Alan Smith
543 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:17:35
Can't see who else it could be besides Martinez now. The fans don't want ferguson or Stubbs, Rangnic says no and pereira gone a bit quiet. Not my choice but at least we will be going on the attack. Only Everton would hire man who just got relegated
Mark Frere
546 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:35:29
Alan Smith, Since when did it matter what the fans want? BK will do what suits BK, I think they could still be a few twists still to come. Just hoping Martinez will not be the one appointed
Al Philby
547 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:30:43
All I can say is this: I am an unabashed partisan for Robert Martinez. This man is a legend in the making. I want to see total football at the Goodison and total football is what we will get. Was it not Roy Evans who said, "don't ever talk to me about the School of Science"? Well, Mr Evans, we will give you School of Science perfomances week in and week out, until your face turns blue; and that by courtesy of a man who turned Liverpool down.
Gary Carter
548 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:45:07
The rumours that Martinez turned down Liverpoo are no more substantiated than any other rumour that come out of the tabloid press. We've seen pics of BK and RM leaving the same hotel after BK interviewed him, I don't recall ever seeing anything like that with regards to Liverpoo. And quite how someone that got their team relegated and only just avoided doing that the other three seasons he was in the premiership is a "legend in the making" is beyond me, well unless your a Redshite in which case yes, he will be a legend when we finish bottom 4 season in season out until he takes us down too !! Disaster waiting to happen in my opinion
Al Philby
550 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:51:49
Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/05/roberto-martinezs-liverpool-fc-snub-explained/

Patrick Murphy
553 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:03:29
Al thanks for the link and as much as I loathe to go on the Dark Side's websites it just shows that those who don't believe that he turned them down are wrong - although Henry I think has since stated that the job was never offered to him - both could be true but if Martinez stated he wasn't interested in the set up they proposed they wouldn't offer him the job would they?

It does look increasingly like he is going to accept our proposal though, I wish him all the luck in the world and hope he proves all the doubters wrong.


Mark Frere
554 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:09:09
Gary Carter, couldn't agree more, that Wigan defence has been a strikers wet dream for the last 3 seasons and what as Martinez done to address this? That's right, fuck all!

If Martinez is actually appointed, I will be still really looking forward to the new season with a certain amount of dread aswell, but his teams do play lovely attacking football and he has been a bit of a magician in the transfer market for Wigan. A much more inspiring appointment then someone like Stubbs or Weir but still a major cause for concern

Lewis Morrison
556 Posted 02/06/2013 at 23:58:43
Does anyone else feel like this is beginning to feel like the start of Kenwright pulling another one of his stunts??

Ring fenced money, stadium safety certificates, virtually free stadium and..........we interviewed many talented managers but my gutt instinct was always with Alan Stubbs!

Gavin Wadeson
558 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:08:37
Gary Carter (541, 542, 548)

Martinez isn't my first choice, but he deserves to be on the shortlist. He reduced Wigan's wage bill by 22% and spent £10m less on transfer fees than Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce. Everton have the tenth highest wage bill in the Premier League. Wigan, on the other hand, are 17th in the wage bill league. By finishing 18th, you could argue that Martinez underachieved this season. However, using this logic, you could also argue that Moyes underachieved when he finished 17th and 11th!!

Eugene Ruane
559 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:19:05
Lewis (556) - "Does anyone else feel like this is beginning to feel like the start of Kenwright pulling another one of his stunts??
Ring fenced money, stadium safety certificates, virtually free stadium and..........we interviewed many talented managers but my gutt instinct was always with Alan Stubbs!"

Yes and have since the start.

For BK NOT to go for the cheapest and most easy to manipulate will imo be astounding.

Alan Smith
560 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:11:50
Why would Stubbs or Weir be major concern? Theyre an unknown quantity but there's also nothing negative you could say about them based on any managerial evidence. They may be tactical genius or crap. Even a crap manager will finish top 8 with our squad.

If the board choose either of them you would have to assume they possess the necessary leadership qualities, tactical nouce and coaching ability!

And the only worry about Martinez is if he messes around with our defence. He is known to play wings backs and three centre backs. If he does that then that will be worse than anything Stubbs could do.

If however, he keeps same back four and just concentrates on the attacking side of our game, we will be ok

Kevin Tully
561 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:21:59
Before you judge Martinez, please understand how many injuries he had to contend with this past season, mostly to defenders who were brought in to address the issues posters are highlighting. 8 first team players would hurt Chelsea, never mind this footballing backwater.

http://www.football.co.uk/wigan_athletic/martinez_frustrated_by_injury_crisis_rss3638686.shtml

Gary Carter
563 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:04:38
Ah, fair enough, he could have made himself a Goodison legend by taking them down instead of Wigan ! lol I would imagine he baulked when they mentioned their plans for the "premiership" lol
Roberto Birquet
564 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:23:57
The Mirror is adamant. Rangnick has interviewed for the job and offered to make Weir - or Stubbs/Neville - his number two and groom one of them as future manager.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-everton-manager-ralf-rangnick-1926316

Gary Carter
566 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:27:21
Gavin, Moyes did underachieve in those two seasons you mentioned but overachieved just about every other season barring those two, something I just don't see Martinez doing. Watching Wigan defend is like watchuing an U10's side !! And this myth that they play attractive football !! they average about a goal a game and concede about 3 !

Im sorry, I think it shows a massive lack of ambition and imagination if we appoint him, we should be trying to get managers in with a track record of winning games not losing them !

Lewis Morrison
567 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:30:10
That Mirror article was yesterday's.

He has distanced himself since that!

Eugene Ruane
568 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:23:49
Alan Smith (560) - Christ, where to start!

"Why would Stubbs and Weir be a concern?"

Sorry, are you taking the piss?

You yourself say "..there's also nothing negative you could say about them based on any managerial evidence"

True - BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FUCKING MANAGERIAL EXPERIENCE.

(I have absolutely no dental experience, want me to remove your molars?)

Then there's..

"If the board choose either of them you would have to assume they possess the necessary leadership qualities, tactical nouce and coaching ability!"

Oh yes, absolutely, definitely, without a SHADOW of a doubt!

I mean the idea of our board fucking up is simply ludicrous.

Jeeeeeeeesus WEPT!

Harold Matthews
569 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:35:10
Yes Eugene. Cheapest and easiest to manipulate. Sounds about right.
Lewis Barclay
571 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:55:53
Will someone please wake me up when this is all over.
Derek Thomas
573 Posted 03/06/2013 at 00:44:24
I think that the fact of Bill having previous for, chicanery, double-speak, lies, evasions, half-truths etc etc is a given. But over the last week I have found myself thinking, especially with the Rangnick + one apprentice thing that for once, just once, he might've lucked into a semi decent option and / or he has been not just well advised but actually listened and resisted the temptation to look after No.1.

Then I revert to my normal state of Bill / Everton, yeah right, in a pigs ear cynicism.

My head still thinks that Bill will have an each way yankie bet from 4 options.

1st The Internal candidate, 2nd Martinez, 3rd Periera, 4th Rangnick.

If 2, 3 and 4 don't come up he will still get his money back on the Internal Candidate, The Banker, who if all else fails will be ambitious enough to sit and wait for his fate to be decided by the actions of others... the, as I said on another thread...Stubbs ( or whoever ) is the leader in the Clubhouse and the rest are still out on the course and it's their tournament / Job to lose or turn down.

And there will be Grinning Billy to present the Claret Jug / poison Chalice... The Blue Jacket ( or knowing Bill a cheap old costume from Joseph and his amazing Technicolour dreamcoat ).

We are waiting to see who turns it down and who is lastman standing.

I don't know which is worse, the fact that we will get someone who falls for Bill's Bullshit or some one who will do it despite the Bullshit.

Drew Shortis
574 Posted 03/06/2013 at 01:15:26
There's obviously pro- and anti-Matinez camps here and probably a larger group in the middle who are undecided but would back him if appointed. I have been banging on about RM for a few weeks now and I can't see any point trying to convince the anti camp as I realise they are just as strong in their beliefs that his appointment would spell doom and immediate relegation for Everton as I am in my belief that he is the perfect choice available to us. Please BK, put us out of our misery!
Alan Smith
576 Posted 03/06/2013 at 01:14:08
@ Eugene

I did say that the reason you could not say anything negative about them was because they had no experience and the pt being, there are lots of negatives about Martinez. We just have no idea weather Stubbs would be good or bad so keep an open mind!

As far as the board is concerned generally I would not trust them. They may not want to spend big on transfers, sell assets to make money, sell our best players, etc etc... but its in their interest more than mine, yours, or anyone elses, that they get the best man for job.

Also, do you really think Stubbs or anyone else with a decent knowledge of game couldn't keep Everton in top 8? Name 8 teams with a better squad than ours?

As for your pathetic dentist analogy, well all I can say is you must be a shite footballer yourself. If you think football management is as complicated as dentistry, or some sort of rocket science only very few people can understand. A magical mystical voodoo only bispecticled foreigners can grasp then its not the beautiful game or universal language everyone says it is.

I believe it's down luck, money, players at disposal, motivation and leadership. And yes your right experience definitely helps. Not sure martinezs experience of generally crap performances is any good though!

Stubbs has all his coaching badges, was a leader on pitch as a player, played the game at the highest level and worked under Moyes. So it's more like he's finished his dentists degree. Done a couple of fillings already and the odd cap.

We would all rather have an experienced 10 year Hollywood dentist fly over and work on our teeth, but sometimes you can't afford one. Or they don't like flying. But if there is a new up and coming local dentist who is bright, intelligent, confident and who's comes recommended, well you might just use him.

See its not just you who can use shit metaphors, night night!

Alan Smith
577 Posted 03/06/2013 at 01:38:03
One more thing, the boards track record on appt managers is pretty good!
Andrew Presly
578 Posted 03/06/2013 at 01:43:06
PHIL NEVILLE...it's happening. The bomb is about to be dropped. Sabbatical.
Andrew Presly
581 Posted 03/06/2013 at 02:00:04
Scratch that, I've been told the white smoke is coming out of Little Venice HQ and it's Roberto Martinez. I hope so. The sabbatical would be annulled,
Jay Harris
582 Posted 03/06/2013 at 02:56:08
Kevin # 561 Wigan may have had injuries last season but Martinez has had 4 years in the Prem and has fought relegation by the skin of his teeth in every one of them. Jewell and Bruce got better results as did Rogers and Laudrup at Swansea.

In fact I am struggling to think of a club where Martinez wasn't the worst manager.

Laurie Hartley
585 Posted 03/06/2013 at 03:43:37
No Rangnick? There goes my master plan. To no-one in particular:-


Question 1 – If Wigan hadn't won the FA Cup, would you be considering Martinez?
Question 2 – If your answer is Yes... Why?
Question 3 – If your answer to Question 1 is still Yes, is your answer to Question 2 a good enough reason to give him the best available job in British Football? (The Chelsea and Man City jobs are poison chalices.)

If your answer is still Yes, I am missing something.

Jason Lam
587 Posted 03/06/2013 at 03:23:26
"Perhaps it's bluff and counter bluff" by Tony Twist. Brilliant name.

Tony Marsh you work for BK don't you? Like the writing the scipts yours always turn out so dramatic. Have you considered writing for the Clone Wars animated series? They could use some tension in their opening narratives. Everton pull yourself together we don't have to wait until Moyes the manc is gone before naming our manager.

Derek Knox
589 Posted 03/06/2013 at 04:09:13
I have been following the news as regards our next manager; I personally am in the pro-Martinez camp! My reasons are manifold: of all the candidates (that we know of), he is the only one with Premier League experience!

He knows how to get his teams playing attractive football, while I appreciate that defensive exposure was coupled with this (at Wigan) but let's not forget the squad assembled on a shoestring he was working with!

One positive on his CV is that he knows how to beat the Top Teams on a fairly regular basis. I am fairly confident with Everton's set up and staff he could import that facet! I would definitely think he is worth being allowed to take the reins!

Paul Gladwell
590 Posted 03/06/2013 at 06:51:44
Give the man a chance if he does get it, everyone gave some unknown lower league manager one last time
Nick Oakley
591 Posted 03/06/2013 at 07:28:17
Pity, so many attacks on BK again – why not look for the positives? Martinez destroyed us in the FA Cup and then beat Man City in the Final. He has had a really really bad injury list at Wigan this year but did not moan. He is loyal and brought on players very well, so surely he could do really well for us. He won't if our fans look to criticise him before he's even started, simply because BK chose him.

I am like all Everton fans, unfortunately with ridiculous expectations, thinking on one hand that we have some god-given right to be challenging further up the league and then getting depressed when we fail. On the other hand, we did play some fantastic football this year. We did finish above the Red Shite again and we have a really good base for Martinez to build on.

Let's get behind him and accept that there will be a few hiccups along the way.

Steve Cotton
593 Posted 03/06/2013 at 07:44:35
It looks pretty much a certainty that RM has got the gig, so let's give him a chance...

All season, some on here have been criticising DM and calling for his head because he was not adventurous enough; it looks like you have got your wish with RM so let's give him the chance to move us into the team that can take on the big boys, leave the defensive side to one of our many defensive coaches, and let's see the team play the game....

I personally can't wait... COYB

Neil Cremin
595 Posted 03/06/2013 at 07:46:01
The most interesting and realistic name I have heard linked to the job was today when Steve Clarke was added to the short list. For me a good Everton fit, experience, winner, composed.
Mike Green
596 Posted 03/06/2013 at 07:46:46
Steve Clarke back in the frame!? And there was me having waved the £10 I put on him at 40/1 away weeks ago.....!

Yes - weeks ago.....

I genuinely think we'll get an announcement within next 48 hours. If not this really will have gone beyond a joke, it's nearly 4 weeks now since Moyes was appointed Man Utd manager.

You could almost write a textbook 'On Changing Manager'...

Chapter 1 - How to Do It by Man Utd

Chapter 2 - How Not to Do It by Everton

Opening line to Chapter 1: 'Knowing Ferguson had to retire at some point, Manchester United drew up and agreed a clear strategy on what to do when that inevitability arose....'

Opening line to Chapter 2: 'Despite clear signs from Moyes that he may not sign a new contract at the end of the season, Everton put their heads firmly in the sand and hoped it would all go away...'

I'm praying Bill comes up trumps but when you consider he didnt plan for this no wonder the Kings Docks fell through and his '24/7' hunt for investment has been fruitless. I'd be surprised if he can take himself to the loo unassisted.

One thing I will give him credit for is he has fronted this himself and made it appear, if nothing else, that it's his decision - rather than a decision by committee.

In which cash the buck stops with you Bill...

...... and surely even you should know by now......?

Phil Sammon
597 Posted 03/06/2013 at 08:08:33
I confidently predict that Martinez is announced as the new manager today.

There's other candidates who I'd rather see it offered to, but I'm not devastated about it.

A sense of underwhelmed relief.

Jamie Carroll
598 Posted 03/06/2013 at 08:18:37
If Moyes is still being paid by Everton until July 1, then don't expect an appointment till nearer that date.
Ken Crowther
600 Posted 03/06/2013 at 08:30:01
Mike Green #596 has got it.

Manure knew SAF would retire sometime soon, so they had a plan in place.

Everton knew six months or more ago, that Moyes was stalling on a new contract and we ToffeeWebbers said they (the Board) will surely have a plan/shortlist for sucession.

We were wrong!!!

Tim Locke
606 Posted 03/06/2013 at 08:26:48
Mike green you missed a chapter - stoke how to follow the Man U model.

In times of uncertainty you have to stick with what you know. Our squad is good enough to stay in the prem; I know people will point to west ham and too good to go down but Alan Smith is spot on anyone with half a decent footballing knowledge should be able to manage Everton to a top half finish.

The question then is more about rebuilding, the stability created under Moyes has given us 1/2 seasons where we can bring in younger players and replace some of the more mature, a slow programme should result in a better squad which should be fighting for a top 4 finish.

I am happy with all 3 choices mentioned, all offer a slight change in direction without being a major reshuffle. Many have pointed to Martinez's ability to bring in good players for low wages. Although taking out one quality player for 3 ok ones with potential does strengthen the squd at the expense of diluting the team for at least 2/3 seasons. But Everton don't have the cash to go and buy 3 or 4 quality players, so building has to be the way to do it. So does that Martinez the perfect fit?

One of the big questions in the footballing world has been how good is Moyes, and how good is Martinez? So with Moyes the point always argued on ToffeeWeb was Moyes was: argument one; Moyes is amazing, if he had the backing if the board (with money) he would be winning something/be in the top 4. Agreement 2: Moyes is rubbish and a bottler, big games he bottles, his record against the top sides is poor, he should have won something I.e. a cup. Moyes going to Man U answers the debate, he fails then people were right he is a bottler, he wins and others we right if only he had money. The same arguments are true of Martinez, people say look at his team, the football they play. He is a builder, look at other teams he has managed. He is a winner look at the FA cup. Others say he is a nightmare, look at his defence, look at his ability to change games, to sure things up. Look at Wigan and were they are playing next year.

But I think given we have a squad which should manage a top 10 finish then we are in a position where we could take a risk on Martinez. If he messes it up, then we can move on, now moving on might prove harder, but I think Martinez offers us hope of getting something, something that Moyes, love him or hate him, removed, Moyes made us stable, Martinez will make us move but the question is which way. I am willing to take the risk and see.

Ernie Baywood
607 Posted 03/06/2013 at 09:12:43
Well it's pretty obvious now. It's going to be Martinez.

Derek, I'd like to see the stats that show Martinez beating the top teams regularly. Without even glancing at the records, I'd guess that he's had far more trouncings than results.

Again, without reference to stats, I'd say our record against say, the other 5 clubs above us would be better than most.

Completely underwhelmed by this appointment. I can't believe we're going with a guy with close to the worst Prem record around. We're a top 6 side, FFS! Oh well, guess we support him and hope for the best.

Shane Corcoran
608 Posted 03/06/2013 at 09:15:15
So if Marinez was appointed by, say, Wednesday then Kenwright would have appointed a manager within five weeks.

This would be a manager who for about half of that time was with another club.

Everton have not, to my knowledge, mentioned any manager's name during this process.

All that's being said is that is that there's a list and that it's right to take their time when making a decision.

I sincerely hope this happens soon but all of the above would just go to show hos silly little Tony Tantrum's arguments are.

If we'd had a quick appointment of Pip or Stubbs then BK would have rushed it and done it on the cheap. Less than five fuckin' weeks lads and we're whinging cos WE decided to read the rags and soak up what they tell us.

James Marshall
612 Posted 03/06/2013 at 09:48:03
I really hope Martinez doesn't get it. I don't buy into the smiling Spaniard routine one bit. Charlatan and terrible manager who just got a team relegated - say what you like about him, and the cup win, but the fact is, he took a team down and that for me is one reason enough not to hire him. Faker.

As for the appointment as a whole - BK needs to do this today, because Chelsea are about to appoint Mourinho on Wednesday (allegedly) and if true, it'll take all the headlines and the Everton appointment will be a mere footnote.

PR exercise Everton Manager needs to start today.

Geoff Freeman
619 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:03:28
Please, Bill, today... I can't afford to lose anymore sleep.
Stuart Gray
620 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:07:14
Not sure why Martinez is a Charlatan, but we all have our opinions.

I have to say, off all the name bandied about Rangnick really sounded promising to me. Good experience and a good philosophy with a plan for the future (if the tabloids are to be believed).

Hopefully this will all get resolved soon and we can get back to moaning about the lack of a investment in the club...

James Marshall
625 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:13:15
He's a charlatan because he and everyone in the media claim he's such a good manager, but Wigan crept into the Premier League every year under him, and conceded so many goals it's untrue. He then got them relegated.

People seem to point at the cup win as being such an achievement, and it was, but a good manager needs to be able to see it through for a leaguer season, and he's failed to do that every year in my opinion.

He flatters to deceive with his smiling demeanour and 'honesty' but smiles & honesty don't win football matches and neither do Martinez' teams. 6 wins a season under him is simply not good enough.

I don't see any reason why he should be allowed anywhere near Everton.

Phil Sammon
628 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:17:51
I agree with all of that James. I also don't like how he's walked out on a club after taking them down. I'll get behind him if he comes, of course, but he really has no right to even be in the reckoning.
Kevin Tully
629 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:20:17
I don't like the fact the O.S. have Stubbs on their front page, saying how well the youth system is working, and look how many players we are bringing through.

Is this a precursor to a bombshell later today?

James Marshall
631 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:24:20
Me too, Phil. I'll back him and hope he does well, and applaud him if/when he does, but I still don't feel he's anywhere near the right man for the job.

He's also only 39 which I don't think is right for us. Trouble is, he's a bit of a yes-man and that suits BK down to the ground.

Lunchtime today apparently we'll hear something......I'm not holding my breath!

Drew Shortis
634 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:22:49
James Marshall 625
Get your facts straight pal. This season Wigan won 9, as did Sunderland, Southampton and Stoke. In 2011/12 Wigan won 11 and finished seven points above the drop zone. The two seasons before that their win total was also 9.

Granted, nine wins is nothing to write home about. But when Wigan's stature and budget is taken into account in comparison to some of the bigger teams they were fighting with (West Ham, Birmingham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Stoke etc...) I think this is a respectable record.

Also, it is his chairman, the fans and the media that are bigging him up, not the man himself. I don't recall RM saying he is a "special one"!

Richard Dodd
637 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:42:49
All the Wigan goss this morning is that it`s Roberto`s job once BK stops playing hardball about compo!
They expect announcement by noon!
Paul Grainger
640 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:44:14
To be fair to Kenwright, this is just more paper talk and not his doing. Yes, he is taking quite a bit longer than average to choose the new manager but it's not like he is the one publicly naming all the different candidates. For all his shortcomings as chairman, he is doing what he thinks is best and trying to find the best person for the job that we can afford. We cannot just throw huge amounts of cash to get anyone so he's looking at all the viable options and trying to make the right decision.

I want to know who the new manager will be as much as anyone else, but am willing to wait.

James Marshall
641 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:45:54
Drew#634.

My mistake (pal), it was 9 a season - either way, you're the only person I've seen defending such a shocking record.

6 or 9 is awful by anyone's standards and the guy just isn't good enough no matter which way you paint it.

I don't think I claimed he'd called himself anything in the press either, but he does have a high opinion of himself - even moreso now they've won the cup.

I've not heard anyone give me one good reason why he should be Everton manager and you haven't either.

Ian Hollingworth
642 Posted 03/06/2013 at 10:49:43
If Chelsea are appointing the special one on Wednesday then what a great day for BK to announce an internal appointment as it would all go unnoticed by the national media.......... hmmmmm

He wouldn't would he???

Robert Collins
644 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:06:47
James Marshall @ 625

James, by your logic (he's been relegated, don't allow him near our club), Bobby Robson (who was relegated with fulham) who played a very aggressive and progressive type of football just like Martinez would never have got a job with us, Jurgen Klopp (Dortmund) similar also to Martinez would never have been taken on?

Both of these managers have not played 'normal' or 'standard' football and have been revolutionary in their time, Martinez is of their type and just like him (and also Bobby Robson and Jurgen Klopp) we have to be prepared to "roll the dice" if we want to win anything.

If BK does hire him I'll be suprised and happy, I really don't think BK has it in him!

We don't have many options, Who do you want?

Denis Richardson
645 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:04:15
Martinez will be our next manager if he wants the job - hs has a choice between us and Malaga. Everything else is just rumour and counter rumour.

People who don't want him in charge better hope he accepts the job if you don't want an 'internal' appointment.

Robert Collins
647 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:14:27
Don't worry James, BK is delaying the announcement for effect (he's a dizzy pantomime dame), any time now you'll get Pulis teamed with Stubbsy to ensure premiership survival.
James Marshall
651 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:21:57
Robert Collins#644

My logic has nothing to do with Bobby Robson or Jurgen Klopp, and everything to do with Roberto Martinez!

He's a terrible manager in my opinion.

Yet again, you (and everyone else) have failed to come up with even one convincing reason why he should get the job. Progressive? He got relegated last season in case you missed that bit and they struggled every year under him.

I just don't see any good reasons to appoint him.

James Marshall
652 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:28:17
Oh, and my preference would be Rangnick by the way.
Robert Collins
653 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:28:12
James, weren't Bobby Robson and Jurgen Klopp terrible when they got their teams relegated?

Answer my question please, who else is there?

Tony Christian
654 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:22:11
A lot of anti Martinez sentiment on here spouted by those who can't accept fact that their beloved Moyes (the most overated coach in history) has fled for bigger and better things. Martinez will achieve more in five years than Moyes would have in a lifetime.
Drew Shortis
655 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:18:33
James Marshall 641
Apologies for the 'pal' bit. My morning coffee somehow temporarily morphed me into a grizzled Glaswegian dock worker from the safety of my keyboard ;)

I don't agree that it is a shocking record when you take into account the team he was in charge of. Every season most pundits have predicted Wigan would be in a relegation scrap. I know its difficult to defend a manager who's team has just been relegated, but I believe he has much more to offer than some of the other candidates and his record has to be put into a bit of perspective. The Robson and Klopp comparisons are valid in my opinion.

We can argue until we are blue in the face. Where you see only failure I see potential. Ultimately neither of us can make the decision, so why expend any more energy arguing? I guess I just want to try and plant the seed of optimism in the minds of RM pessimists, especially so if he is appointed as our new boss. If this happens I hope that all Evertonians would give him a chance to prove himself. I'm sure you all would. I'd hate to see banners like the 'Hughes out' ones at Stoke from day one.

I just hope we get a decision today!

James Marshall
656 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:30:43
Robert - lots of teams have been relegated down the years - what makes those two managers relevant to this discussion exactly? You could quote anyone you like, it doesn't have any bearing on this.

Who else is there? Rangnick.

James Marshall
657 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:35:36
Drew#655

fair enough mate - I agree, no point arguing about it, but we all have an opinion, doesn't make any of us right as it's all speculative anyway.

I wouldn't ever campaign against anyone and will support whoever gets the job - I just would prefer it not to go to a manager that's walked away from a team that got relegated.

If nothing else it would show more ambition to go for a man that was a winner.

Whichever way people dress it up, Martinez has come from a losing team (cup win aside)

Drew Shortis
658 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:32:57
James Marshall
"Yet again, you (and everyone else) have failed to come up with even one convincing reason why he should get the job."

If you took the time to read through the pages here you will find many posts by fans who have put together reasoned arguments as to why RM would be a suitable manager. You might not agree with all of their points, but to say there is not even one convincing reason is totally untrue.

I would post a list of reasons why I believe he is a good candidate, but I think TWebers must be sick of hearing them by now. Also, some of the reason I and others want RM has to be our gut feeling. It is very hard to convince someone else whose gut instinct is telling them the opposite. I respect your opinion, and I'm not saying you are wrong about Rangnick or Pereira, but I have to defend my choice if he is being rubbished.

Kevin Tully
659 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:29:27
James, clearly your mind is made up, but I'll give it a go.

He was was offered the Liverpool & Villa jobs. Now, we like to think we know more than the pro's inside the game, but we don't really, do we? He would not have been even considered if he was 'terrible' would he?

Martinez has just won the F.A. Cup with a starting line up worth £12.8m, compared to the average City player being worth £16.6m.

He is only 39, and is still yet to reach his potential.

Martinez is a qualified physio, and has a degree in business management - he is no fool.

His relegated side were missing 8 first team players some weeks, mostly consisting of defenders.

His has an excellent record in the transfer market, and an in-depth knowledge of European Leagues.

He is considered to play expansive, attacking football, with many different formations.

His win % as a professional manager is 50%.

He has been managing a club with the worst support in the division.

They are just a few snippets I have read about him in the last couple of weeks.

By the way - Even Wenger was relegated with AS Nancy.

Shane Corcoran
660 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:44:23
Denis #645, isn't what you said just rumour too?
Robert Collins
661 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:45:19
James @ 656

Ragnick is not coming, it's a none starter (a dodo), he's publicly (and emphatically) distanced himself from us.

Is there someone else you think would do a good job with us (Periera also seems to be drifting away now)??

Not all managers who get relegated are bad and not all people who have setbacks in other areas bad at what they do.

Drew Shortis
662 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:41:15
James post 657
Fair enough. Posted my last comment before I saw your post mate!
Brendan McLaughlin
663 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:42:03
Drew #658
"but to say there is not even one convincing reason is totally untrue" So just point James in the direction of the one convincing reason which will... convince him...and I'm sure he'll then happily jump onto the Martinez bandwaggon.
Chris Regan
664 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:49:46
I was hoping for an announcement prior to noon, regarding a press conference today or tomorrow. I don't think I am the only one who would be worried if we hear nothing by Wednesday morning.

Robert Collins
665 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:54:35
Kevin Tully @ 659

Wenger relegated, didn't know that.

And so there's another top notch manager who's learned from his mistakes - excellent!

I just hope BK is reading what where typing, I have this nasty feeling we're going to end up with a Pulis/Stubbs dream team.

Robert Collins
666 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:55:22
William Hill have stopped offering odds on our next manager.

Things might be happening?

Phil Sammon
667 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:50:05
I think James' argument is a valid one. No amount of comparisons can dress up the fact that Martinez has had a poor record over 4 years, culminating in relegation.

He has Premier League experience...in failing and being relegated.

That said, I can see his good points. Attacking play and what have you. I just can't get over how bad that Wigan side were!

Adam Baig
668 Posted 03/06/2013 at 11:55:18
Robert 661, I would hardly call Ragnick saying 'don't believe what you read in the press' as an emphatic denial. Not that I think he is coming, either, but not emphatic!

With regard to the likely man, Martinez, I would say it could be better - but could be worse. He seems to be the complete opposite of Moyes, which is good in some ways, but not in others.

I would've liked to see what Ragnick and the German 'blueprint' may have done for the club, but it appears this is not going to happen.

James Marshall
669 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:02:27
Kevin#659

Fair enough, some decent points there - I still can't get my head round us appointing a manager that has a losing record though I'm afraid.

His weekly apologies for his team being hammered every week, just put me off.

He doesn't fill me with any confidence

Daniel A Johnson
671 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:06:44
That Wigan team may have been bad. But they beat us away and knocked us out of the cup with an emphatic hammering.

I think Martinez will fly with our squad. There will be no white flag at Anfield with Martinez.

Jim Knightley
672 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:00:14
Martinez's defensive failings concern me...he knows how to set up teams in an attacking sense, but personally, I do not think that's rocket science. Blackpool played good attacking football didnt they? and they won plaudits for that and then got relegated....but attacking football without defensive backbone is irrelevant. It concerns me that Martinez, in several seasons, has not rectified Wigan's defensive failings, and has consistently brought unproven foreign defenders, and played an overly attacking strategy which leaves their cb's, and especially their wide areas when playing a 3-5-2 exposed. Money or not...that's tactical naivety. Consider our defensive line last season...how much did we buy that for?

I think he is a progressive manager...and implemented a good strategy which was evolved by subsequent managers at Swansea...but I am concerned by the way he has set Wigan up over an extended period. The comparisons with Robson etc are irrelevant and reductive...any manager could be excused, by suggesting a past great struggled in his initial career... I would like to know why Martinez has consistently failed to implement an even semi-effective defensive strategy...and why he has failed to motivate his team in matches against similarly placed opposition, and in the early months of the season.

Kevin Tully
673 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:05:21
James, I would add that playing in front of a half empty JJB is nothing like playing in front of a packed Goodison.

Try and remember that Wigan side were expected to get beat every time they went onto the pitch. Imagine how difficult it would have been going to Anfield and Old Trafford.

When any team steps out at G.P. - they are expected to win. As far as I am concerned, the whole Wigan set-up was Championship at best.

He could quite easily signed a load of cloggers, and probably stayed up, just as Pulis has proven.

The fact he didn't take the easy route should be looked upon as a positive.

Paul Dark
674 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:08:39
James - 669: what you say makes perfect sense. EVERYTHING about the Martinez appointment is wrong. He is a complete fraud; in his relegation interview, there was no contrition whatsoever (indeed, he congratulates himself on the FA Cup - watch it on YouTube if you can bear it!). Given our stock is high at present, why on earth would we want to appoint a manager with a losing record? I suspect Kenno feels comfortable with him (smooth, smiling Spaniard), but it will be a terrible, missed opportunity if this man is appointed ... and the BLAME will lie 100% at Kenwright's door.

Only in our modern world could saccharine PR smiles make up for lack of substance (and results!) ... really sad.

Andrew Ellams
675 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:16:15
So Martinez stays at Wigan, inherits a load of cash and buys the entire Everton 1st team squad. Would he take them down next year?
Paul Dark
676 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:18:00
Andrew 675: No, but possibly the year after.
Robert Collins
677 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:15:12
Is anybody feeling nervous that there really should be an announcement today (Martinez / Pariera), otherwise Boys Pen Billy is working his panto magic and fuck knows what we'll end up with.
Paul Dark
678 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:20:06
Kenno has no one but Martinez in mind - never has had, I fear. :-(
Kevin Tully
679 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:18:27
If Martinez did get the job, anything less than a top 8 finish would not be acceptable, so the bar is set fairly high.
Paul Dark
680 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:23:13
Martinez out!
Andrew Ellams
681 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:23:07
That needs to be the bar for anybody Kevin. Maybe even 7th because there seems to be a group of 7 teams that are ahead of the rest and we really can't afford to fall behind in that group.
Tony J Williams
682 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:21:40
Interest post at 589 and got me thinking.

Looked at the scores for the Top 5 this year in the last 4 years Martinez has been at Wigan, interesting reading.

40 games, 6 wins, 5 draws, 29 defeats - For - 23 Against - 107

Man U (Wigan's score first) 0-4, 0-4, 0-5, 1-0, 0-2, 0-4, 0-5, 0-5

City - 0-2, 0-1, 0-3, 0-1, 0-2, 0-1, 1-1, 0-3

Chelsea - 0-2, 1-4, 1-2, 1-1, 0-6, 0-1, 3-1, 0-8

Arsenal - 1-0, 1-4, 0-4, 2-1, 2-2, 0-3, 0-4, 3-2

Spuds - 1-0, 2-2, 1-2, 1-3, 1-0, 0-0, 1-9, 0-3.

Not really consistently beating them, is he?

Brendan McLaughlin
683 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:23:58
Jeez..tough audience.
I'm not for Martinez but if he did come in and tried to get us playing a more expansive game I think I'd allow him a couple of years finishing below 8th in the hope that we'd reap the reward in future years.
Paul Foster
684 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:25:37
Drew, what was he expected to do with Wigan? At least as well as Jewell and Bruce did, I'd suggest. He had 4 seasons to build something, to correct defensive mistakes, but in 4 years he only made them worse. It truly is an appalling record and not one of a legend in the making.

Al, when you say straight from the horse's mouth, you actually mean straight from Dave Whelan's mouth. The man's a compulsive liar and Martinez/Liverpool have both since put the record straight that he was NOT offered the job at Anfield. It was just more bollocks from Dave Whelan, as part of his quest to make Martinez as expensive as possible when he leaves.

James Marshall
685 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:30:54
His record is pretty damning against everyone to be honest.

Kevin - his brief was to stay in the Premier League - he failed. To me that says everything but I respect your choice if you think he's the right man for the job.

I don't claim to be right, I just don't feel it on any level.

Phil Sammon
686 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:32:02
Tony

That is actually terrifying.

I think I'm close to throwing my support behind Stubbs.

Ernie Baywood
687 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:30:51
And some absolute pastings in there Tony.

I can't believe we're entertaining the thought of a manager who cops beatings like that. That's not a lesser standard if defender available - it's an absolute shambles.

Paul Foster
688 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:32:10
Bloody hell Tony, the record is worse than I'd realised. Shipping 9 goals, 8 goals, 6 goals, 5 goals (three times), 4 goals (six times) is horrible and totally undermines this bogus argument that he knows how to take on the big boys. He knows how to get spanked by the big boys, that's for sure.
James Lauwervine
690 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:40:19
Seems to be a done deal for Martinez now, best price I can see is 2/9. No other candidates anywhere I can find for more that 12/1. Can't say I'm happy but if he's the man then I'm right behind him.
James Marshall
691 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:45:39
So where's this announcement?

What a crock of press bullshit.

Thomas Windsor
693 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:52:54
Let Bill take his time on this; there is still plenty of time.

Remember Mike Walker...

Paul Dark
694 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:48:34
682: staggering and indicting in the extreme. It all shows the danger of appointing a salesman/self-publicist.

Yet again, Everton will be the loser. He might even do OK for 18 months or so - but he will fail - because that's what he does. Championship football with a League or FA Cup is totally unacceptable for us.

I see Wherlan is depserate for the 2m, having initially told Relegation Roberto that we weren't big enough. It's all very ugly. On top of that, he says publicly that Martinez feels he isn't up to the job of bringing Wigan back up. Sheesh ...

Is Kenwright listening and processing all these clues - but really?

Mike Green
695 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:47:20
You're right James 690 - Corals and Ladbrokes have gone 1/8.

Brace yourself.......

Kevin Tully
696 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:48:14
I don't get the comparisons being made once you go to a much bigger club.

Does all this mean Moyes will never win at the usual suspects with Utd because he couldn't do it with us?

Clearly Martinez has got to produce a much improved defensive record if he is our manager, but more will be expected from him all round.

Robbie Muldoon
697 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:53:17
Jurgen Klopp and Arsene Wenger both got clubs relegated at the same stage of their careers as Martinez...
Denis Richardson
698 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:31:45
Shane 660 - go to oddschecker.com and look up next everton manager. All names under the sun are on the list but Martinez is by far the favourite and has been odds on for while.

Bookies rarely get these things wrong so until Martinex drifts out significantly or someone else moves a long way in the opposite direction, my belief is that Martinez has the job - if he wants it. Other names keep coming up as 'favourite' but thats just their odds changing significantly whilst Martinez still remains odds on.

My fear is that if he says no, BK will go internal.

Paul Gladwell
699 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:59:30
Paul, what did you feel when we appointed Moyes? it was hardly the dream manager, some young fella who nearly got Preston promoted.
Mike Green
700 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:58:31
Denis - your right. RM has been right up there throughout the betting and strengthened further in recent days.

I think Doddy has probably called it in post #637, Whelan and Kenwright are haggling over the price now, then I guess it's done...

Robert Collins
701 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:59:48
Dennis Richardson @ 698

Dennis - my fear is that BK will do a "Leroy Fer" with Martinez, never really want him but call him in to satisfy the fans and then make it hard for him to sign for us (terms etc).

We'll could end up with a Pulis/Stubbs dream team.

The longer panto Billy drags this one out the pessemistic I feel.

Denis Richardson
702 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:02:08
I also don't understand why people are afraid of Martinez getting the appointment. He may not be the big continental name we're looking for but is a damn site better than the likes of Lennon, McLeish, 'Appy 'Arry etc.

Lets just see who's appointed and give the guy a chance to see what he can do before we start bashing him before a ball has even been kicked. Everton have a much better defence than Wigan, a far larger wage bill and larger transfer budget. We're a bigger platform so he'll either succeed or he won't - like any other manager. On the plus side, if he comes then there's a good chance we'll get the likes of Maloney and Mcmanamen from Wigan, which would be a great boost to our midfield.

I (for one) got my wish about Moyes leaving, I'll at least be positive until (and if) the new man proves me wrong.

Andrew Flanagan
704 Posted 03/06/2013 at 12:58:36
Wow. Character assassinating the next (most probably) Everton Manager before he has even had a chance to sign on the dotted line. Is 'Relegation Roberto' going to become the new 'Dithering Davey' on here I wonder?

Everton Football Club are in a totally different context to Wigan. For a start, Everton's preferred back four are comprised of full internationals, two of which started against Brazil last night. It's hardly comparable to galoots like Ronnie Stam and Garry Caldwell really is it?

Give the guy a chance.

COYB.

James Marshall
705 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:12:33
Roberto Martinez = 15 letters and he's Spanish.

That's a pretty big continental name.

Robert Collins
706 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:19:20
Looking at oddschecker site, if something was imminent they'd all be around 1/10 now or tightening even further.

sky is still offering 29, I know the odds are tight as it is, but there's many a betting pro will still see those as good odds, if it was about to happen (big IF).

Just have a look at odds for Morinho/Chelski and Pellegrini/Siteh.

Phil Martin
710 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:26:29
I'm wary of Martinez but I think i'm wary of anyone of the favourites. They're all a gamble in some way.

However should Martinez fail spectacularly I could see him bringing down Bill with him. Which wouldn't be a bad thing in the long run. Every cloud and that...

Robert Collins
712 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:29:40
Phil - you do want RM (if it is him) to be successful, yes?
Tony J Williams
713 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:30:40
I didn't mean my post to have a go at Martinez, if he is our next manager he will get my support. It's just worrying all the pastings he has taken.

One goal in total against Man City (in the league) and only one against United too.

Shocking stats.

On the other hand, better than Stubbs or Pip

Kevin Tully
714 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:35:48
Tony, if he serves up results like that with the current Everton squad, he should be shown the door before any long-term damage is done.
Andrew Ellams
716 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:42:37
Those results are shocking, but at the same time he didn't have two of the current England back four, possibly the most improved defender in the league and an extremely experienced and competent player like Distin at his disposal.

Not saying he'll win those games now, but that wouldn't exactly be taking us backwards would it.

Stephen Karnes
717 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:43:19
I want to see Landon Donovan as the new manager. Sure he has no qualifications, or experience, but I'm sure we could let that go unnoticed.
Sam Hoare
718 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:42:05
Would like a new manager now. All this guesswork has been fun but its time for someone to come in and start looking at what players may be available this summer. Looks highly likely that it will be Martinez so come on Bill, get it wrapped up and the carousel can stop.
Graham Mockford
719 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:36:37
I too have been deeply sceptical about Martinez. I just struggle with the whole concept of getting a team relegated and then being rewarded with the stewardship of this great club.
However as is always the case, how he will perform in a different environment with relatively improved resources is impossible to predict. One thing we will see however is how he compares with Moyes. Lets all hope he does a better job.
Tony J Williams
720 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:53:40
The mitigation side is that his money was cut off by the board, not like Jewel and Bruce.......and he was managing Wigan.
Nicholas Page
721 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:54:07
Interest post at 589 and got me thinking.
Looked at the scores for the Top 5 this year in the last 4 years Martinez has been at Wigan, interesting reading.

40 games, 6 wins, 5 draws, 29 defeats - For - 23 Against - 107

Man U (Wigan's score first) 0-4, 0-4, 0-5, 1-0, 0-2, 0-4, 0-5, 0-5

City - 0-2, 0-1, 0-3, 0-1, 0-2, 0-1, 1-1, 0-3

Chelsea - 0-2, 1-4, 1-2, 1-1, 0-6, 0-1, 3-1, 0-8

Arsenal - 1-0, 1-4, 0-4, 2-1, 2-2, 0-3, 0-4, 3-2

Spuds - 1-0, 2-2, 1-2, 1-3, 1-0, 0-0, 1-9, 0-3.

Not really consistently beating them, is he?

--------------------------------------------

looks just like Moyes' record vs Sky4 in his first few seasons. Would be interesting to compare.

Andrew Flanagan
722 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:36:06
Just been speaking to a guy in work who is employed by Everton (I don't know his name so I couldn't tell you if I wanted to as he comes in the odd day every month) and he has just told me Steve McClaren. He has heard this from within the club. I nearly dropped my cup of tea on the floor. I have remotely no idea if this is to believed or if it is bollocks but he reckons it is true. I think Kenwright would need round the clock protection if this transpired.

Like I say I'm not into my 'Dad's, cousin's, dog's mate told me this' stories and it probably is rubbish but I wonder what people would make of it if it was true?

Guy Hastings
723 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:57:52
Andrew 722 - yet another BK saving. SMc can use the Toffee Girl's umbrella.
Andrew Ellams
724 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:57:28
Andrew, I reckon somebody's having a bit of a giggle at your expense
Nicholas Page
725 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:59:59
Kopite wind-up
Craig Walker
726 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:04:36
Guy 723 - He'd need it for all the season tickets being hurled at him.
Patrick Murphy
729 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:04:24
I reckon everybody has gone on holiday and their all sat on some exotic beach laughing at the TW's going into meltdown - who was it said no news is good news. Jose is confirmed as Chelsea manager official as I type.
Phil Martin
730 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:10:36
@Robert Collins
Phil - you do want RM (if it is him) to be successful, yes?

Yes I do - but just saying if it did go to shit. It could be the final nail for Billy.

Andrew Flanagan
731 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:09:44
I hope it's a wind up and a kopite taking the piss.

If it does turn out to be true, I'll be the one responsible for everyone getting home late tonight while the police negotiator talks me down off the Rocket flyover on Queens Drive.

James Marshall
734 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:18:42
Of course it's a windup.

Phil Sammon
735 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:21:10
Is his record any worse than Martinez's?
Aidan Wade
737 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:07:25
I hope Bill gets a look at Tony's stats there, should insure Martinez is booked a taxi to Lime St.

Martinez has had 4 years to fix the defence but couldn't and we will need to replace Distin sooner rather than later - unfortunately, because he is immense. Can Roberto mould a new defensive partnership? Evidence is to the contrary... dramatically so. He's not going to have more money at Everton than he had at Wigan.

I've seen some people saying that because Martinez is a physio he doesn't suffer so many injuries and now apparently he was only relegated because his entire team was knackered.

Martinez out! :D

Paul Gladwell
739 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:23:46
just read that during the four years Martinez was at Wigan they slashed the wage bill by a fifth and in a time when every club in the land was increasing theirs it does offer some defence to say the least.
Paul Gladwell
742 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:29:12
He was also only allowed to offer three year contracts which meant they lost out on cash when players left, a little different to Moyes and his money issues I would say.
Robert Collins
745 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:28:08
Phil Martin @ 730

My apologies for questioning where you are with the blues, it's just that same thing is happening with Martinez as did with DM, he's divided us down the middle.

Unlike DM though, he's yet to set foot on the training ground or manage a game and so he's innocent of any wrong doing, but there still seems to be a some on here who've taken a dislike to him.

I've lost faith in BK, he must have known who he really wanted before DM left, he was aware of what was happening and now he's laid on this 5 week panto for us, I'm pissed of with him.

Might have been interesting him and Ragnick butting heads in front of the fans.

James Marshall
747 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:36:53
Well with Chelsea now officially announcing the return of Mourinho, I very much doubt BK will announce any new additions to his trainset today.

Andrew Flanagan
750 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:40:30
James Marshall 747 - A good day to bury bad news?
Anthony Flack
751 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:42:18
James it could be the perfect day to bury bad news - Neville and Round it is then!
Robert Collins
754 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:48:47
No Pulis and Big Dunc it is!!!
Patrick Murphy
755 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:44:06
Seeing as DM was appointed MUFC manger on the 9th May that makes it 25 days since we needed a replacement which by my reckoning is less than four weeks. I do admit it feels more like four years though

James Marshall
756 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:51:02
Fair point gents.

Though something tells me Billy will want to create as much theatre as possible on this one.

Andrew Ellams
757 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:52:39
Rather he took his time to be honest, as long as the new guy gets some time prior to pre season to get all his plants etc. looking nice in his office
Paul Gladwell
758 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:51:46
And wait till tomorrow when the Chelsea manager issue is done and dusted on Sky.
Then we will get the cringe worthy speech from our leader, "from the first minute we spoke" blah blah blah.
Stephen Coles
760 Posted 03/06/2013 at 14:57:09
This wait for our new manager is driving me nuts!
Kevin Tully
764 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:00:54
What a season we have to look forward to. New manager for us, and hopefully some fresh faces. 'The special one' is back. Moyes going for the Title! Pelligrini has to win the Title to keep his owners happy. Arsenal are finally going to spend big. Spurs will have a fortune to spend if they sell Bale. The redshite have to finish 4th or Brenda will be out of a job.

74 days to go!!!

Patrick Murphy
768 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:06:17
Kevin 74 days until we announce our new manager? Nooooooooooooo!
Phil Martin
769 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:01:46
Robert @745

Understood and agree. RM should be at least given 2-3 years to stamp his mark.

To those who wished to see the back of Moyes for the sake of change. Well you have your wish. No guarantees of any more success but there is change afoot and I feel this appointment will have an enormous impact on the club - one way or another.

If RM had kept Wigan up there'd be less squablling about his credentials.3 points difference may have been enough and more here would be excited about a potential new boss who while very young has won silverware with a club that is barely even football league let alone Premier League. And he did it playing good football on a shoestring budget.

Kevin Tully
773 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:11:43
Phil #769 - " No guarantees of any more success"

Have I been in a coma?

Patrick Murphy
775 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:14:27
I don't know Kevin but it is 1/4 past 3 on the 3rd June 2018 and I have just got back from Paris where I was there to witness Everton's 5-0 demolition of Man City to make it a clean sweep for the Blues with all major trophies adorning our trophy cabinet. That's 2 years on the spin, now for three trebles in a row in 2019. Oh hang on a minute Kevin I think it's me who has fallen into a coma.
Peter Bell
777 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:19:17
Does anyone remember how Kenwright said he gave Moyes the job because he was impressed how many times he mentioned the word "Win" in his interview. Problem was, he never did "win" anything.
I wonder how many times Martinez has mentioned the words "Lose "
" Concede " or even "Relegation" in his interview.
Kevin Tully
778 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:20:21
I'll see you for a pint on the steps of St. George's Hall Pat!

Where does the bus go on the tour of the City?

Phil Martin
780 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:23:41
Kevin,

How do you define success - Winning trophies or regularly finishing much higher than your net spend would entitle you to?

Clearly the old definition of success e.g. winning cups is largely out of the question for EFC. Which brings us to the new definition of success - merely punching above our weight.

Patrick Murphy
781 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:25:02
Via County Road and onto Kirkby Market - outside BK's New Palladium Theatre only a tenner return. You can't go into Town now it's exclusive to Millionaires and Norwegians.


Andrew Ellams
782 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:27:46
Phil, success in football is now gauged on financial profit. I personally am old school and still struggle to get my head around 4th place being seen more desirable than winning a cup.
Kevin Tully
786 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:28:46
Phil, who won the League Cup & F.A. Cup this year?

I would also say getting into the CL would be considered success.

Finishing 6th was a good season – but I would much rather win a Cup & finish 8th/9th.

Some are happy with a good League finish, I suppose it's all down to the individual really.

Whoever we get in, I hope we can see confidence throughout the team, some good flowing football. Good signings, and hopefully a pot or two in the next 5 years. (CL would be fantastic.)

Mike Green
788 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:32:20
Peter Bell #777 - I remembered that the other day and thought Moyes probably should've said 'draw' or 'keep it tight', or maybe 'one up top' a lot more instead of 'win'.

The Martinez equivalent in his interview was probably "attack", but maybe should be one of the ones you've suggested.

Patrick Murphy
790 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:39:49
I wonder if the Echo is trying to give us a clue in their latest picture collection of previous Everton Managers on the website. All the Bosses from Catterick through to Moyes are on there as you would expect but - and it's probably just the sunshine messing with my mind - some are pictured with former players including Phil Neville, Duncan Ferguson and Alan Stubbs is this the Echo's way of telling us that an Internal appointment is imminent ? They do say a picture paints a thousand words.
Dave Weston
792 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:50:53
It could be he is waiting for Vitor Pereira to decide if he is staying at Porto or not. He is reported in Portugal as telling his chairman he will make his decision early this week. Here's hoping he chooses us then, eh.
Michael Kenrick
793 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:56:57
So "winning cups is largely out of the question for EFC"?

Seems that will be the lasting legacy of David Moyes — how Everton must be perceived for some of our fans...

Unbelievable.

Mike Green
797 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:46:55
I've just got visions of Kenwright sat at the kitchen table with a pack of 'Top Football Managers' Top Trumps.

On Friday (Day 22) he'd got as far as taking Martinez, Periera and Rangnick out of the pack and kept looking at them one by one (with a mock up "Internal Candidate" card with a grey, cluedo head and "Phil / David / Alan" scribbled on it)

'Hhhmm... no..." puts card down and picks next one up.

"Hhhmmm.....no...." puts card down and holds all three up together.

"Hhmmmm.....oh....I don't know! Jenny....!"

Puts shoes on to take dogs for a walk.

Today (Day 25), after wasting a whole weekend playing these three candidates off against each other Bill has decided to put them back into the pack and started dealing the pack out again in the formation of "Old Maid" (Bills favourite game)....

'Fergie....no....retired'
'Mourinho...I wish....going to Chelsea anyway....'
'Redknapp.....won't got north of Watford.....'
'Capello.....too grumpy.....'
'Ancelotti....too expensive....'
'David Moyes....YES! Oh, bugger....no....can't have him..."

Puts pack back down, sighs and puts shoes on to take dogs for another walk. Dogs leap up, fit as fiddles, they've never known it so good.....

Robert Collins
798 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:53:30
Phil Martin @ 769

Phil, there's never any guarantees.

You could give the 'special one' the job and he may completely fuck up without Romans billions to spend.

Although we are going to see the above assertion in reverse, DM's gone to a wealthy club from a poor one, let's see what happens.

As for Roberto, he likes to throw punches and not cover up on the ropes. His punch power will go up with us, let's hope he chins them before they chin us!!! And if you are going to win things you've got to throw punches!

Exciting times eh?

Phil Martin
799 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:59:50
Michael,

Which trophy should we be regularly winning? Would winning the League cup every year make us significantly richer or more attractive to the top players? Would it change the club in any significant manner? No, it would just give us fans something to rub in the faces of the RS. A little bit of pride and nothing more.

I agree that true success is winning major silverware. However given the way our club has been setup and run (from the boardroom down). I would feel (reluctantly) 5th place finishes but playing more attractive football as being success.

Of course I want us in the CL etc etc...but do you honestly expect us to do that?

Kevin, I cant be arsed digging out the stat that shows that even the domestic cups have been largely dominated by the sky 4 and City over the last 15 years.

A freak year this season with two unfashionables winning?

David Sheen
802 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:08:23
If Whelan said there was 50 applications for the Wigan job. Then I'm guessing there was 500 for the Everton job, and bubbling Bill is in the middle of phoning 499 of them, saying how sorry he is that they haven't got the job. That's why it's taking so long.
Paul Dark
803 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:10:08
Martinez is a relegation manager (irrespective of whether he took Wigan down). That's the nub of the problem. He is NOT an Everton manager.
David Sheen
804 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:10:42
Winning trophies is a sign of success. Tottenham have only won the league twice ever. Yet all the cockneys think they're massive because they've won the FA Cup a few more times than us.
Paul Dark
806 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:18:35
And anyway: Wigan's football wasn't that attractive. EVERY year at GP, they feign and cheat and harry the referee. Also: NOT the Everton way.
Tim Jones
807 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:11:17
How many other clubs have appointed new managers in the last couple of weeks without all the drama, delays and suspense that Billy Liar is committing Everton supporters to?
James Marshall
808 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:21:38
Spurs have more money than us = more chance of attracting players.

Sad fact of modern football - you make the Champions League, you get more money, you get better players.

End of story.

Winning cups doesn't necessarily help any more.

Frida Ericsson
810 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:28:14
We need to move on, not move backwards or stagnate. In other words, we need European football like it was yesterday.

The minimum mandate should be Europa League football every season. And the Manager must try to get us into the Champion's league. Anything less, and it's more of the same from what we had with Moyes.

If the club or team stands still, we will spiral into free fall with possible relegation.

The next manager absolutely must take us beyond this glass ceiling Moyes hit, anything less has to be considered a failure. Money or not, we need to have ambition and it needs to start showing from next season, regardless of who comes into manage.

Kevin Tully
811 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:32:27
Don' forget, Bill can save around £8k per day by taking his time.

Even at London prices, that's a lot of fish supper's!

Ernie Baywood
813 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:32:37
Steve McLaren dismissed as a wind-up. Vastly experienced. Won 3 Premier Leagues as SAF's assistant at Utd plus an FA Cup and Champions League, won a European league. Won a cup in England. Managed an English side to a European final. Considered good enough to manage the English team. Currently available for nothing.

I'm not saying I want McClaren, but if he's a wind-up then what the fuck is Martinez???

Frida Ericsson
814 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:33:40
Also winning cups guarantees our entry into the Europe League which in turn earns us seeding points. We obviously need those points so and or if we do qualify for the Champions League whenever that is, we won't be drawn in the early rounds against a big team.

Whether we like the Europa League or not, it does benefit us with the seed points.

Paul Dark
815 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:35:20
Let us pray and hope that the smiling Spaniard is sufficiently flattered by the No.2 job at Man City - but I doubt it. His preening self-regard is too high.

In the absence of Rangnick, I'm still hoping that Vitor P gets a look in. I fear though that Bill is sitting on his backside. Even the meeting with RM in the lobby of the Landmark was so cack-handed - almost as if he's so proud to be associated with a 'great guy' like 'Bobby'.

Dreadful and embarrassing ...

Patrick Murphy
817 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:41:22
Paul I take it you're not in favour of Roberto Martinez, what has the poor bloke done to you in order for you to write so many posts?
Paul Dark
819 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:46:34
Patrick - lol. This is such a wonderful opportunity for our great club to make the right appointment.

The fact that Sir Neville and Lord Howard have come out and said unequivocally he shouldn't be appointed says it all. Fellow professionals don't usually say such things.

Apologies for the profusion of posts. I don't want Martinez so much it hurts.

Denis Richardson
820 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:12:40
Phil 799 - I think bringing up the stat that 'cups have been largely dominated by the sky 4 and City over the last 15 years' ignores the fact that we mostly went out to non-sky 4 teams in Moyes' charge - quite often not even top division clubs.

One thing I would expect from the new manager is a much better cup performance. I don't expect us to win every year but at least compete and get to the latter stages regulary (as used to be the case), in order to have a chance of winning. And yes, if we regulary got to the latter stages and won every now and again, whilst still finishing in the top half, I believe we would attract better players. Add to that the rumours that FIFA are going to allow the winner of the Europa league entry into the CL in the future, so as to revive the Europa league.

Some people may no longer rate the domestic cups but a medal is a medal and it gets you into Europe. At the end of the day in 10-20 years time no one is going to talk about or give a shit that we finished 6th/7th/8th/9th etc - however people will talk about cup finals, titles and trophies for decades. Winning also impresses young minds and leads to growing the fanbase (there are a lot of mid 30s to early 40s EFC fans who started supporting the club at a young age simply because of the success in the 80's.) So yes the cups are important, imo, and we should be doing a lot better than being knocked out by the likes of Oldham, Leeds, Reading, Fulham, Birmingham, Shresbury, Blackburn, Wigan etc.

You say this year was a freak year and you are right, I don't think we will ever get an easier run to the FA Cup final ever again!

John Shepherd
821 Posted 03/06/2013 at 15:44:24
Well I wanted it to be the German although I must confess only after reading a decent write up of him so I'm assuming that's out the window. When we were struggling before Xmas 2011/12 I was calling for Martinez to be appointed because it seemed to me that Moyes had out stayed his welcome then,in my opinion, but after just taking Wigan down with a play attacking football at all costs even when there survival was at stake is complete lunacy, that's the bit that worries me an we can all say we've got a great back four an we have cos that was Moyes speciality.

Martinez on the other hand won't use them the same way as we currently know it. Again I'm not moaning about a new approach I'm just concerned about Martinez adopting this philosophy on Everton football club.
James Marshall
822 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:00:48
Who cares who you get knocked out by? You either win it or you don't. Nobody gives a shit unless you win it.
Frida Ericsson
823 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:40:14
Martinez defensive record at Wigan is there for all to see, not just over one season, but over every year he has managed Wigan.

Everton to play the Martinez way, of fast flowing football is likely to come at some cost. We have a number of aging players, who pace seems to have deserted them. To play fast attacking football, would require investment into the team from day one.

I am more concerned about what he would do to change the current team setup?


It is very evident we are in need of a better striker than Jelly, regardless what anyone says. I mean seriously if he is still here come the start of the season, and he is still in no goal scoring mode, it would detrimentally affect us. Therefore we need someone that can do the business, there are number of options from spain, especially in the current economic climate, where clubs are going to have to let players go at minimum cost, just so they can pull themselves out of debt and not get banned from playing in Europe the following season.

I am just very concerned, he will get it all wrong, simply because our method of playing is drastically different from his own vision.

I don't think we'd go down with Martinez, but then on the other hand, what if he decided to sell Bainsey and Jags to buy some mere paper weights?

Maybe he would do a fantastic job and just needs to be given a chance, perhaps what he significantly lacked at Wigan he would have here, especially defensively.

In summary we need an overhaul of some of the players, we need to get rid of the aging and bring in younger , better players..that could be got from spain as in above.

Frida Ericsson
824 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:06:13
Denis Richardson - my understanding is that a Champions League place for the Europa cup winners would come into effect either 2014 or 2015. It's no longer just a rumour.
Frida Ericsson
825 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:12:03
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/8732180/UEFA-to-reward-Europa-League-winners-with-Champions-League-place-from-2015
Paul Dark
827 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:06:29
Much as I wouldn't want him, I think Steve Clarke has done a fine job at WBA: well-organized, hard to beat and solid (as WBA go). He would be a much better proposition than RM - though there are many others (especially German coaches and other Continental coaches) who would bring a proper philosophy to the club and give continuity.

I fear Kenwright's prorities (someone he can laugh and cry with) are different from those of the fans (a manager who ensures, first and foremost that we don't get relegated and one who brings us CL football and trophies and who resurrects the School of Science to some extent). Herein lies the core of the problem of the envisaged appointment of Relegation Roberto.

John Shepherd
828 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:12:23
The other concern (if it is to be Martinez) — is he going to bring his backroom staff with him? Scary thought...
Tony J Williams
829 Posted 03/06/2013 at 16:04:46
For the sake of fairness Moyes records at the 5 clubs mentioned above is very similar.

Not going to put the results in again. Record is 8 wins, 9 draws and 23 defeats, with a goals for of 34 and against of 71.

Frida Ericsson
830 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:19:05
which only highlights how shocking those losses are.
James Marshall
832 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:22:59
We don't want another Moyes, or another manager who's on the up as Martinez is - we need a manager who's already 'up' and ready to move the club forward.

Martinez would be a sidestep at best.

Wayne Smyth
834 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:16:09
Paul, can you explain how Steve Clarke who in your words is "well organised and hard to beat", translates into us finishing in the top 4 and resurrecting the school of science? Steve Clarke got lucky with getting a top striker like Lukaku on loan last season. Its not going to happen again at WBA.

From what I can gather the charge against Martinez, is that he kept a team largely consisting of shit no-bodies in the premier league for several seasons, where he was up against teams which had a lot more cash in almost every case.

The fact he kept them up for several seasons WHILE playing good football and losing his most saleable assets each season, and having to make premier league players out of David Moyes rejects like McManaman is a testament to the guys' abilities.

If the limit of (y)our ambition is to avoid relegation, then lets get Steve Clarke in, who is a David Moyes Mark 2 as far as I can fathom. Then we can be difficult to beat and well organised and mid-table. Personally I think we need a coach who can operate within a small budget, has the confidence to send a cut-price team out against richer clubs and win. Just like Martinez had to do to get Wigan an FA Cup win.

Don't forget he also won a league title with Swansea before joining Wigan, which proves he's not a one-hit-wonder in terms of his cup success.

Stephen Coles
835 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:31:29
The longer this goes on the more concerned I am that we are all going to be disappointed.
Phil Martin
836 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:16:45
Dennis,

Irrelevant of who knocks EFC out of the cups. The eventual winners are usually those clubs I mentioned previous. Even beating minnows and avoiding shocks - the odds are we'll come across one of the top 5 eventually who'll beat us.

BTW if UEFA truly wanted to revitalise the Europa League they'd start by rebalancing the chasm sized difference in TV & Prize money they offer to each competition. Offering a CL place to the winners of the EL is another insult to the rest of the European clubs.

So what should we do. Focus on the League Cup in the hope we avoid one of the big 5 and any shocks? Then get into the EL and play the required 25 extra games required to win that. Hopfully avoiding any big european clubs or CL dropouts. Then if we're really lucky and still have eleven fit players. We'll win that and get in the Qualifiers of the CL three seasons later. Sounds like a plan to me. Oh and we'll do it playing great football and finish top 6 consistently.

Mike Green
837 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:28:37
Tony #829 - in fairness to them both, and this was one of my beefs against Moyes, if you look at any managers record against the big four or five I doubt any / many had much of a better record against them than us.

Theres a perception that Clarke did well but I think this is skewed by his win against us and double against Liverpool. He ended up a full 14 points behind us.

Paul Dark
838 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:45:14
Wayne: I didn't say that SC would resurrect the SoS or inspire us to a top-four finish - but I would prefer him to Relegation Roberto.
Richard Dodd
840 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:37:43
Pie-Eaters now telling me Wigan will have a manager in place before we do.Whelan seeing candidates this week whilst BK counts the petty cash to get somewhere near the £2M.compensation.
He probably wants to pay it over 3/4 years-and there`s always a chance Roberto will fail the medical!
Meanwhile, Stubbsy waits in the wings with all his kids waiting to audition.......... Talk about `The Theatre of Wet Dreams!
David Sheen
841 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:56:18
James Marshall : "Winning cups doesn't necessarily help any more."

We go to Wembley, we get some silverware, we get success, we get to play in Europe the next season. We win the Europa League, we get to play in the Champions League.

Winning cups does help... A LOT.

James Marshall
842 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:01:44
That's a lot of hops, David.

Good luck with getting that sorted in the near future!

Reality check.

Mark Eaton
845 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:56:03
WTF - was expecting to come home, switch on SSN and find out who the new manager was.

What do people think now?

Is Bill negotiating compensation for Martinez with Dave Whelan?

Pereira is rumoured to have been offered a new contract at Porto. So are we waiting on his decision?

Any other thoughts?

James Marshall
846 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:11:08
Yes, it's been rather sunny today and Chelsea have a new/old manager.

Thats about it though, Mark.

Tristan Kerr
848 Posted 03/06/2013 at 17:50:58
Paul Dark — your hatred for Roberto is uncanning. Simple facts: Klopp got a team relegated — would you take him for EFC? How about Arsene Wenger? Or how about Joe Royle? Oh yes, that's right... we took Joe from a relegated Oldham team and we won a cup... shocking, eh?
Mike Green
849 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:13:31
Richard #840 - Man Utd might have a replacement for Moyes in place before we do.
Edward Simpson
850 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:15:41
Pereira is going to leave Porto apparently, their Chairman has just come out and said it will appoint a new manager before the 12th.

Still want Martinez but all of this sounds too convenient for me.

Patrick Murphy
853 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:18:48
Just as soon as Man City have made their moves, we can perhaps decide who we want from whoever remains available.

Frida Ericsson
854 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:09:23
Phil Marten, I really cannot agree on anything you written.

If and English club was to win the Champions League and in the event Everton where to win the Europa cup, Everton would automatically join the group stage of the champions league. This is the holy grail for teams like Everton who have no money.

The point of UEFA going this route, is to increase advertising for the competition, this will happen because a very important lucrative place in the Champs League is up for grabs. It will increase the profile of the Europa League which means more money going into for all teams.

With the end result, the competition will be financially worth taking part in. As for it being an insult to other european teams, I couldn't care less about. All I am interested in is EFC. In the long run the Europa League could well generate a hell of a of money, especially for teams who look at it as financial waste of space.

Europa League is 17 games to the final not 25. As for avoiding big teams? Let's not bother, how about we get relegated to the bottom tier, would you be happy then? Just think, we don't have to win the league, nor should we even bother entering any cup competition just in case someone should knock us out of the competition.

You sound like you don't remotely care at all what happens to this club.

Have a bit of confidence, go on your holidays or something, recharge your batteries.


Frida Ericsson
855 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:25:15
Edward Simpson - why would it sound convenient? Porto's chairman says he wants to appoint a new manager, it happens all over the world.

I am not sure I see your conspiracy theory regarding this. If the Porto boss was making up his mind, and if he had been interviewed by bill, and he decided to accept the job, then he would have to resign.

That being said, it's likely that the porto boss is off to Malaga. I doubt Martinez fits the bill down at Malaga, who could still find themselves in Europe next season after and appeal. You don't just go from Pellegrini to Martinez, it's like 20 giant steps backwards

Patrick Murphy
856 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:26:29
Vítor Pereira has a degree in wait for it.......Physical Education he's our man a qualified PE Teacher to replace another PE Teacher According to his profile published on UEFA website on Saturday

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An amateur player in his teens with hometown club Espinho, UD Oliveirense, AA Avanca and Fiães SC, Pereira took a degree in physical education before starting his coaching career as Porto Under-15 trainer in 2003.

I wonder if RM would play second fiddle to him before taking over at a future point in time?

Ross Edwards
857 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:17:48
Ah, the Billy Kenwright soap opera continues I see. Unless he is waiting for Pereira's contract to run out, in which case I would forgive him.

It's looking increasingly likely that Martinez is not getting the job, Whelan has kept quiet (Thank God!) for the last week and nothing has been announced so far by Everton nor has Martinez himself or his agent to confirm or to deny the speculation.

Anyway, if we do get him, we are getting someone who has been RELEGATED the previous season, really shows our ambition doesn't it?
Montainier, Periera, Bielsa, all out of contract in the summer and we are paying £2million for a man who has a 28% win percentage in the PL.

That is a frankly abysmal record, and he apparently told Whelan he wasn't good enough to get Wigan out of the Championship, and he could be coming here. It's absolutely laughable but what do you expect from this circus in charge?

I doubt that Bill knows what he is doing and this is becoming increasingly evident particularly over the last few days. Expect more names to be rolled out, I expect he will wait for our ex manager to officially leave before announcing it so he doesn't have two managers on the payroll.

This Martinez malarkey will hit a snag, we are skint so how can we pay up the £2million + the backroom staff as well? I hope that Bill is waiting for Pereira so we can get him for free rather than paying up £2million for what will be a very poor and uninspiring appointment.

.Yes, we will get attacking football next season, but Martinez has done absolutely nothing to improve his defensive side, which as we know is shocking. Drew Shortis says he has met his requirements, which was to stay up, but remind me, where did he finish last season? Oh yes, 18th.

. Even the media are fed up and aren't bothering to report it, so you might as well announce it now Bill as the fans and Fleet Street are getting increasingly tired.

I hope, as Marshy says, that this isn't some bravado and lying by Mr Chairman before rolling out Stubbs as the next manager.

Frida Ericsson
859 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:32:30
I can't see Martinez accepting the number 2 role. He is a manager in his own right. That being said, and everything being hypothetical I could see him at Malaga under Vitor Pereira rather than here at Everton.
James Marshall
860 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:33:59
Give Kendall another crack. Fuck it.
Steve Bell
862 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:32:38
Patrick,

Er no, can't for the life of me see Martinez as a no.2 to anyone. Nor should he, unless it's learn more about defending!

Pereira for me.

Robert Collins
864 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:40:38
James Marshall @ 860

James we'll be lucky to get Kendall the way panto Billy playing this one, Colin Harvey looks more likely mate!

Ross Edwards
865 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:33:02
Frida, it's all very well UEFA bringing in the carrot of a CL place for the Europa winners, but the prize money is very small. You get something like £85million for winning the CL, compared to £11million for winning the Europa.

Also, the way it is organised, it is like a mini me CL and it is played on the Thursday, second fiddle to the Champions League. If they made it a pure knockout competition and maybe increased the prize money to £40million, it might be more popular. The reason no one cares about the Europa, is because UEFA don't care about the Europa.

Oh, by the way, the Porto chairman has just confirmed that Pereira will NOT be Porto coach next season. Is BK waiting for Pereira after all?

Frida Ericsson
866 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:41:18
If Pereira is officially in the running, and so far we have heard nothing, then i'd take that chance with him, unless we can get Ralf.
Mike Green
867 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:44:17
Me too Frida, if its a toss up between Pereira and Martinez my guts say take a punt on Pereira.
Robert Collins
869 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:46:55
I'd take Mike Walker again just to get it all over with!!

That fucking panto dame has got so much to answer for.

Frida Ericsson
870 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:43:56
Ross, it might not bring in the amount of money we'd like, but if it meant we could actually make the Champion's League I believe it would be worthwhile. Particularly if an English team won the Champions League, hypothetically if won EL, we'd be straight into the group stages of the Champions League, where the real money is made, even if we did drop back out into the Europa League.

I just can't see us ending up finishing in a Champs League spot any time in the near future, unless we ended up on an insane league run. It's the next best thing. In the long run, it could make us the money we need to compete. That being said, we need to first get into either European competitions lol

Clive Lewis
871 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:48:06
I heard a guy tell another guy whos mother in law works at the club that the Restaurant had ordered Olives. I thought nothing of it at first ,then I thought about it agian and I still thought nothing of it. So I rang Everton to ask they said it was to go with the frankfurters and seafood. I tell you it means something!
Gavin Ramejkis
872 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:47:54
I personally think Bungler Bill is running scared - he knows he's in the shit and he hasn't a clue how to dig himself out of the hole he's in, none of his drama queen dahlings shite will wash with the press on this one, I've a horrible feeling he's going to saddle us with the least inspiring Manager he can find possibly internally and know too well the high profile signings at Chelski and Citeh will only magnify how out of his depth he really is, expect those two to be named and quieten down a little before that teary gobshite announces with a whisper our new manager, you'll see more pizzazz out of a single party popper.
Frida Ericsson
873 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:51:59
Forgot to add, for us to get into EL or CL spot, we need a capable manager, of which Martinez is not the right man.
Karl Masters
874 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:46:17
The natives are getting restless.

I'm noticing an interesting correlation of people here between affirmed members of the Moyes Out Brigade and the Martinez Can't Defend Club.

MOB is now MCDC.

But hang on, wasn't one of the cornerstones of the MOB that Moyes was too defensive? Now the MCDC want someone who can organise a defence......

That slippery BK has got everyone confused again! ( except himself you can be sure of that )

Colin Glassar
875 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:53:53
We are not going to hear anything today are we? Bill is probably in a state of paralysis.
Bill: "Jenny darling, the people on ToffeeWeb are divided on who the manager should be. What should I do?"
Jenny: " Why don't you call David and ask him to come back? I'll make him some egg on toast.
Bill: "Brilliant idea. That's why you're my gal"

I can see this dragging on for some time.

Clive Lewis
876 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:59:20
Apparently it was due to be announced this lunchtime... I have Diarrhea now!

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2013/06/new-manager-announced-tomorrow/

Patrick Murphy
878 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:00:34
Karl you're not also known as Paul Tyrell are you?, I mean to have observed that there is a correlation between the members of the MOB and the newly formed MCDC you must have a list of people's names mustn't you? smile!


Clive Lewis
879 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:03:19
Underpants are at breaking point come on announce it.....
http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2013/06/martinez-appointment-confirmed/
Phil Martin
882 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:49:05
Frida,

Fucking drivel.

Seriously you think UEFA give two shits about the Europa League? The sheer strain it puts on the squad and for what? Not a lot of money and only if you win -will you be guaranteed a CL qualifier place. So two seasons of toil (and no doubt immense luck) for a shot at getting into the group stages. Hardly something you can bank on is it?


(and please don't question my loyalty to Everton).

Karl Masters
888 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:06:48
Ha, ha Patrick!


I think we are all fast becoming active members of KNOBEND

Kenwright's New Online Bluenose Enforced Neverending Drivel


As someone said earlier, only Everton could do this to their fans!

Colin Glassar
890 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:12:16
How come SOS and NSNO are reporting the confirmation of Roberto Martinez as our new manager and TW isn't? This is sloppy work gents. Come on, get on the bandwagon. We all love unconfirmed rumours by people in the know.
Ross Edwards
891 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:16:47
Colin, because ToffeeWeb is a better quality site than those two.
Richard Dodd
893 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:19:17
Wigan Today reporting `it`s` tomorrow.....if you get my drift.
Chelsea stole the stage today,apparently.
Colin Glassar
894 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:19:06
Agreed Ross, but gossip and rumours are good for ones sense of optimism. I have been told by a friend of a friend that Gus Hiddink is our new manager and we are being bought by Saudi Arabia. Yes, Saudi Arabia!! Not just some prince, sheikh or emir but by the whole fucking country which is worth like 10 trillion quid. Suck on that you deluded rs. COYB!!
Kristian Boyce
898 Posted 03/06/2013 at 18:39:28
I soooo bored of this now. Just freaking make an announcement so we can whine/cheer about the new manager.
Ross Edwards
900 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:28:10
Really Colin? I can see heads rolling....
Al Philby
902 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:09:59
The media has gone all quiet. This should mean that our fate is sealed. Everton's PR officers have probably contacted their favourite journalists and promised them cookies, coffee, and other services, provided they keep their mouth shut until Bill say "go."
Gary Reeves
904 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:29:32
So let me get this right. . . 25% of people on this site want a manager who we'd never heard of before last week,and who's shown no particular desire to come here. I find that truly amazing. And very frightening.
Jackie Barry
905 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:30:55
We become a joke of a club, this is pathetic! Does BK not have the confidence to choose anyone? Bill wake up, we need a manager!
Karl Masters
907 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:35:46
That's right Ross, I'd give my right hand for a chance like that!
Ross Edwards
909 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:38:06
I was quite pleased with that gag to be honest Karl.
Nelly Verdonghan
912 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:37:20
We all knew Kenshite would turn this into a farce and he's kept his promise (made on SSN ) not to let Evertonians down....how ANYBODY can have faith in this buffoon is totally astounding !!
Ross Edwards
914 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:40:26
SSN have just said that compensation with Wigan has been agreed. RM is free to join Everton.
Nelly Verdonghan
915 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:40:45
Can't we start a petition to get rid of the idiot that is Kenwright....???.... it worked for the badge
Al Philby
918 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:39:15
I cannot help noticing that a significant amount of silly messages are currently emanating from Greg O'Keeffe's Twitter account. Is he always like that or is he hiding something?
Nelly Verdonghan
919 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:42:21
Ross is correct....Breaking News SSN.....Wigan agree compensation with Everton for Roberto Martinez.....looks like it's gonna be Bobby then....not a bad choice....could have been a hell of a lot worse...
Nelly Verdonghan
923 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:45:57
Karl #874....Martinez probably can defend it's just the Wigan defenders that were shite !!

Luckily we have quite a strong defensive players at Everton so shipping goals in a la Wigan shouldn't be an issue !!

Colin Glassar
924 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:48:10
Just seen it. Roberto is our hombre. Good luck Roberto. Looking forward to some good Spanish players joining the Martinez revolucion.
Ross Edwards
925 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:48:47
Not bad, but not great. As long as he doesn't disrupt the defence, which I fear he will, and focus on the attacking side, he will do well.
Kevin Tully
929 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:49:45
First rule of becoming an Everton legend ; Tell the shite to do one, and sign for us!

Welcome to the School of Science Roberto. Your style will for right in with our club.

Colin Glassar
933 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:53:43
Hope he reintroduces the school of science KT. We haven't seen it for over 20 years. Long overdue IMO.
John Gee
935 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:04
AYE CARUMBA!!!

The bullfighter working for the bullshitter!

Peter Askins
946 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:49
Photoshop is in overdrive as we speak, with Roberto Martinez transposed on the iconic Che Guevara image.

Hasta la victoria siempre !

Good luck Roberto.

Oh, and bring McManaman with you for our right hand side !

Bill Gall
948 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:34:57
We all know that Martinez is the next manager the reason is all the rest on the supposed list are employed by their respective clubs and would require permission from their employers even if their contracts are not being renewed..
Wigan are the only club that gave their manager permission to talk to Everton as he was still under a rolling contract even if he was leaving the club.(This is the reason that you have to pay Wigan to sign him.)
As for the rest of the so called list I believe this was just made up of existing coaches at Everton and the rest made up by the media. Like every other supporter I would like B.K.to get his finger out and name the new manager but until Chelsea and M.City name their respective managers I don't think he wiil as the media will not give him the coverage he enjoys while they are in the news.
Paul Dark
975 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:06:32
Terrible news, terrible!

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